Re: [meteorite-list] Tunguska
In Ensisheim, Giorgio and Lina Tomelleri offered such wood cuts in the 2003-2005, show period, perhaps also in 2006. I did not see any in 2007 on their table. I am the happy owned of one such cut (full slice) and it appears quite spectacular as it still shows burnt areas (supposed to be traces of the great fire in 1908), maybe also some squeezed rings possibly due to growth slowing down for a couple of years after the blast (must check this though). Nothing was mentioned regarding material imbedded. I'll have a closer look on that through some magnifier, hoping Michael is right. Zelimir A 13:33 23/10/2007 -0700, dean bessey a écrit : Matteo in Italy was selling a lot of it a couple years ago. --- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several years ago I got a glance at some wood cut from trees Growing in 1908 in the Tunguska area with material imbedded. I don't know where I saw them and I would like to get some. Does anyone know where some is??? Thanks, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tunguska
Zelimir Gabelica wrote: maybe also some squeezed rings possibly due to growth slowing down for a couple of years after the blast (must check this though). That\'s interesting. I also have a full slice (cut during one of Kulik\'s expeditions in the 1930\'s) and it clearly shows much *wider* rings after 1908. I remember to have read some- where (unfortunately, I can\'t remember where) that this is because, after parts of the trees in the dense wood fell down or died, more sunlight and nutriments where left for the surviving trees. Cheers, Herbert --- Versendet durch aonWebmail (webmail.aon.at) Hier spielt die Musik! Über zwei Millionen Songs zum Downloaden. http://www.aon.at/musikdownload __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cleaning a 13kg Bessey Spec
Jerry Flaherty wrote: Thanks for the information Graham, I especially appreciated the link to the galvanic process. Beautiful! Thanks for sharing! Mission accomplished! Kudos from Germany!!! Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TV heads-up
Tonight (in the US) PBS is airing the episode of Wired Science with the Brenham search, for those who missed it on cable. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Great Deals ending Today - AD
Dear List Members, Starting in about four hours I have many excellent auctions ending, including the best priced Bassikounou individuals. These and more can be found under my eBay seller name, NaturesVault, or click here for a listing of all that I currently have available: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault List of some outstanding deals: Bassikounou Individuals (Best Prices!!) - Too many to list here. NWA 869 1-kilo Lots - Too many to list here. NWA 2952 CK4 Slices (starting to go fast) - Too many to list here. NWA 4527 H5 500-gram Lots - Too many to list here. Mali Meteorite (Last 3 Individuals - Best Prices) 601g Individual http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170162194594ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 519g Individual http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170162194750ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 257g Individual http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170162194958ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 4527 Shergottite (Last two pieces): 1) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159926267ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 2) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159926517ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 998 Nakhlite 414mg (Give-away price) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159982435ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 999 Eucrite (LAST ONE) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159983432ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 1195 310mg (Such a LOW price!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159984222ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 2200 Lunar 1.046g (LAST ONE) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159986400ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 2999 202mg (Almost FREE!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159990694ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 3136 Lunar 160mg (Running Out) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159992103ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 3151 Brachinite 336mg (Way Low) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159993597ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 3160 Lunar (Low Low) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159994878ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 3163 Lunar (Give-away Price) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159995519ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 3171 Martian 364mg (Almost Out) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159995871ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 4468 Martian (Almost FREE) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159996498ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 4481 Ureilite (Last Two Pieces) 1) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159997262ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 2) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159997487ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 4587 Ungrouped - Paired to NWA 011 (Cool Meteorite) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159998418ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NWA 4590 Tamassint Angrite (A Great Value) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159998748ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 Dhofar 908 Lunar 2.99g (Buy it Now) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=170159998748ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 Dhofar 1085 Lunar 2.03g (Buy it Now) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=17015914ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 NEA 001 Lunar (Pennies on the Dollar!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=17016229ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=007 There are many more excellent deals to be had, too many to list in this email. It is truly a buyer's market. Click here for a listing of all that I currently have available: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Thank you for bidding with me, I appreciate it! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions
I have some auctions ended at 5 hours, who want look go here http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=mcomemeteorite matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD NWA2871 reclassified now officially a Lodranite --additional info for contact
Dear List, Sorry, I forgot to add Blaine`s contact information when I posted his sales ad for the NWA2871 Lodranite super special offer. Much has sold so do wait to buy. His email works sometimes (when it gets checked): Blaine Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best is his telephone/fax: 1-970-874-1487 (Colorado time) Thank you! If you cannot reach him, please email me for prices and availability. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, If anyone missed out on buying NWA2871 you had better buy it now before the price is beyond your reach. Contact Blaine Reed or myself and place your orders for a once-in-a-lifetime chance to own a Lodranite at a reasonable price. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.MeteoritesJapan.com www.InsekiJapan.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD NWA2871 reclassified now officially a Lodranite --additional info for contact
Sorry this message bounced. Dear List, Sorry, I forgot to add Blaine`s contact information when I posted his sales ad for the NWA2871 Lodranite super special offer. Much has sold so do wait to buy. His email works sometimes (when it gets checked): Blaine Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best is his telephone/fax: 1-970-874-1487 (Colorado time) Thank you! If you cannot reach him, please email me for prices and availability. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, If anyone missed out on buying NWA2871 you had better buy it now before the price is beyond your reach. Contact Blaine Reed or myself and place your orders for a once-in-a-lifetime chance to own a Lodranite at a reasonable price. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.MeteoritesJapan.com www.InsekiJapan.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
Hi all, this is our BVR shot of 17P/Holmes in outburst (brightest object in the field center): http://tinyurl.com/2mxrmx Cheers, Giovanni and Ernesto __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD NWA2871 reclassified now officially aLodranite --additional info for contact
Nevertheless, that mail could have been send three times, cause it's delighting news for many more collectors, wasn't NWA 2871 that ACAP with especially many pairings? Can we carry them together her? NWA 2656 NWA 2699 NWA 2714 NWA 2866 NWA 2871 NWA 2989 NWA 4399 Which else? So I guess quite a lot of collectors can open a bottle today! Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von drtanuki Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Oktober 2007 18:29 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; dirk ross Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD NWA2871 reclassified now officially aLodranite --additional info for contact Sorry this message bounced. Dear List, Sorry, I forgot to add Blaine`s contact information when I posted his sales ad for the NWA2871 Lodranite super special offer. Much has sold so do wait to buy. His email works sometimes (when it gets checked): Blaine Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best is his telephone/fax: 1-970-874-1487 (Colorado time) Thank you! If you cannot reach him, please email me for prices and availability. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, If anyone missed out on buying NWA2871 you had better buy it now before the price is beyond your reach. Contact Blaine Reed or myself and place your orders for a once-in-a-lifetime chance to own a Lodranite at a reasonable price. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.MeteoritesJapan.com www.InsekiJapan.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re-2: AD NWA2871 reclassified now officially a Lodranite
Ha! ... which is a source of reassurance for me ;-) It restores my confidence in myself because this is what I wrote on Thursday, April 06, 2006, to two list members in a private mail: ACAPs are usually (but not always!) more fine-grained whereas lodranites are usually coarser grained. Now, when I look at my NWA 2871 thin section (see JPEG), these crystals are pretty large, aren't they? Cheers, Bernd NWA 2656 - NWA 2871 - NWA 2989 - NWA 4399 (2 pieces from Stefan!) ... all of them lodranites, hmm, ... that would be fine because these are part of my collection :-) Lodranitically Yours, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: World Meteorite Languages-V2.0
Dear List Members: There are now over 50 languages listed and about 75+ words for the term meteorite on my updated webpage at www.meteortesjapan.com I would greatly appreciate it you would take time to look at it and contribute to make this list as complete and correct as possible. If you find errors please let me know. Thank you. You will be cited for any additions or for helful comments (If you don`t want your name used please tell me). Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.MeteoritesJapan.com (educational site with only list of mets offered). www.InsekiJapan.com (commercial site with several products) If you also wish, please take a look at what meteorites and others that I can offer. Best! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
Hello all, I have just looked at the superoutburst of 17P/Holmes, as follows: 2007 Oct. 24.72 UT: m1=2.8, Dia.=, DC=9, by NE Katsu. OHTSUKA Tokyo, JAPAN - Original Message - From: giovannisostero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hi all, this is our BVR shot of 17P/Holmes in outburst (brightest object in the field center): http://tinyurl.com/2mxrmx Cheers, Giovanni and Ernesto __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] chico impact melt
i have recently purchased a supposed chico impact melt as i am a big fan of it. all the others i have look like, well, chico- w/ bubbles, solid areas, etc. this one, however... just looks like a meteorite- metal, dark matrix, a few pores. are there areas of the chico skyrock that look like this? all pix appreciated. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cleaning a 13kg Bessey Spec! :-)
Graham; That meteorite looks great.And i think you really did it justice by cleaning it up.Hiding all those features we meteorite lovers relish under caliche isn't asthetic at all.Great job and thanks for sharing. Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] World Meteorite Languages-V2.0 - Correction
Dirk wrote: There are now over 50 languages listed and about 75+ words for the term meteorite on my updated webpage at www.meteortesjapan.com This link doesn't work because an i is missing. So, if interested in taking a look, use this link: www.meteoritesjapan.com Then click on Meteorite World Languages Best wishes, Bern __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
Hello List, This bodes great (in a Titian-Bodean sense) for tonight in Europe and North America. I put a finder chart up for this evening at: www.diogenite.com/17P.jpg This is the show in Europe right now...and should print well to an A4 or letter sized piece of paper. A new star was just born for those familiar with the neighborhood of Algol and Capella. The best time will be as the moon gets lower just before the glow of Sunrise, and the comet will be half way to the Zenith due NW (and the chart will still be fine upside down in the Northern hemisphere). Mars will brightly shine 16 times brighter overhead in Gemini. Nearby is Capella, the 6th largest star and 6th brightest starry object in the sky (Called Colca by the Aymara for a cache of food - which ancient Greeks believed was the horn of plenty Cornucopia, and the name of the famous Valley/Canyon of Condors by Arequipa, Peru) is nearby. Moon or not, it's so bright you can still get a fine view after Sunset if you don't mind the interference from that big Lunar up there. Tonight's the night!! The location on the finder chart is similar for the next week (heading toward Mirphak, just a tad), since the comet is very far away from Earth with respect to noticable relative motion. Best wishes for a long night, Doug - Original Message - From: K. Ohtsuka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hello all, I have just looked at the superoutburst of 17P/Holmes, as follows: 2007 Oct. 24.72 UT: m1=2.8, Dia.=, DC=9, by NE Katsu. OHTSUKA Tokyo, JAPAN - Original Message - From: giovannisostero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hi all, this is our BVR shot of 17P/Holmes in outburst (brightest object in the field center): http://tinyurl.com/2mxrmx Cheers, Giovanni and Ernesto __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tunguska
justfor a idea what I have in collection of tunguska http://it.geocities.com/tunguska2004/Impact.html Matteo --- Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: In Ensisheim, Giorgio and Lina Tomelleri offered such wood cuts in the 2003-2005, show period, perhaps also in 2006. I did not see any in 2007 on their table. I am the happy owned of one such cut (full slice) and it appears quite spectacular as it still shows burnt areas (supposed to be traces of the great fire in 1908), maybe also some squeezed rings possibly due to growth slowing down for a couple of years after the blast (must check this though). Nothing was mentioned regarding material imbedded. I'll have a closer look on that through some magnifier, hoping Michael is right. Zelimir A 13:33 23/10/2007 -0700, dean bessey a écrit : Matteo in Italy was selling a lot of it a couple years ago. --- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several years ago I got a glance at some wood cut from trees Growing in 1908 in the Tunguska area with material imbedded. I don't know where I saw them and I would like to get some. Does anyone know where some is??? Thanks, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] bassikounou trade offer (AD)
oh nohe re-start matteo --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Good afternoon from cold chicago list.Short and simple.I have a 401 gram completely crusted bassikounou with a partial metal ring around it for trade.I am looking for a nice piece of estherville.Offlist let me if we can make a trade. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions
I have some auctions ended at 5 hours, who want look go here http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=mcomemeteorite matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] amazing mali meteorite
Good afternoon list.With all the different reports I have seen on this list,and all the pics of the different meteorites,I have to say that this is without a doubt, this is a different meteorite.I just got a 70.5 gram fragment that is rich in black crust,bright metal flecks, and very nice shock veins.It is a pristine piece.I can hardly wait for a complete stone. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
Hi Again Listees, With regards to Comet 17P (Holmes) estimated at under 3.5 Km in diameter, and being twice as far from the Earth as the planet Mars: How could it be one sixteenth as bright as Mars and an easy object in the night sky with an almost Full Moon? No doubt it has a lot of ice crystals or something white and reflective. A rought thought says that in absolute terms it is one fourth the brightness of Mars if they were at the same distance from us! This is because we perceive only 1/4 of the light intensity due to the doubling of distance, It is it is hard to avoid the temptation of thinking this tiny body is of relatively pristine material now confined to the Asteroid belt, but before, from the Outer Solar System, and may, for once, given Jupiter his dues, have been affected by a relatively close pass to the inner Solar System, with Venus, Earth and Mars all aligned this month to exert their gravitational attraction together. Not to mention all of the scientists and collectors who would will material to Earth. The comet is over 40% further away from Earth as it is from Mars at the moment, so I hope the guys with their hands on the controls of the Mars rovers take a break and look up for us at MidSolnight, and that the Deep Impact Crew is already into emergency overdrive to make the comparison they will be held accountable for, now that there is a second chance :-)... Best Skies and great health, Doug - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hello List, This bodes great (in a Titian-Bodean sense) for tonight in Europe and North America. I put a finder chart up for this evening at: www.diogenite.com/17P.jpg This is the show in Europe right now...and should print well to an A4 or letter sized piece of paper. A new star was just born for those familiar with the neighborhood of Algol and Capella. The best time will be as the moon gets lower just before the glow of Sunrise, and the comet will be half way to the Zenith due NW (and the chart will still be fine upside down in the Northern hemisphere). Mars will brightly shine 16 times brighter overhead in Gemini. Nearby is Capella, the 6th largest star and 6th brightest starry object in the sky (Called Colca by the Aymara for a cache of food - which ancient Greeks believed was the horn of plenty Cornucopia, and the name of the famous Valley/Canyon of Condors by Arequipa, Peru) is nearby. Moon or not, it's so bright you can still get a fine view after Sunset if you don't mind the interference from that big Lunar up there. Tonight's the night!! The location on the finder chart is similar for the next week (heading toward Mirphak, just a tad), since the comet is very far away from Earth with respect to noticable relative motion. Best wishes for a long night, Doug - Original Message - From: K. Ohtsuka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hello all, I have just looked at the superoutburst of 17P/Holmes, as follows: 2007 Oct. 24.72 UT: m1=2.8, Dia.=, DC=9, by NE Katsu. OHTSUKA Tokyo, JAPAN - Original Message - From: giovannisostero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hi all, this is our BVR shot of 17P/Holmes in outburst (brightest object in the field center): http://tinyurl.com/2mxrmx Cheers, Giovanni and Ernesto __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
The size of the comet core is largely irrelevant. What matters is the size of the coma, since that's what is reflecting the light. And an active comet can easily have a coma many times larger than Mars. In reality, active comets are amongst the largest objects in the Solar System, even though their cores are amongst the smallest. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hi Again Listees, With regards to Comet 17P (Holmes) estimated at under 3.5 Km in diameter, and being twice as far from the Earth as the planet Mars: How could it be one sixteenth as bright as Mars and an easy object in the night sky with an almost Full Moon? No doubt it has a lot of ice crystals or something white and reflective. A rought thought says that in absolute terms it is one fourth the brightness of Mars if they were at the same distance from us! This is because we perceive only 1/4 of the light intensity due to the doubling of distance, It is it is hard to avoid the temptation of thinking this tiny body is of relatively pristine material now confined to the Asteroid belt, but before, from the Outer Solar System, and may, for once, given Jupiter his dues, have been affected by a relatively close pass to the inner Solar System, with Venus, Earth and Mars all aligned this month to exert their gravitational attraction together. Not to mention all of the scientists and collectors who would will material to Earth. The comet is over 40% further away from Earth as it is from Mars at the moment, so I hope the guys with their hands on the controls of the Mars rovers take a break and look up for us at MidSolnight, and that the Deep Impact Crew is already into emergency overdrive to make the comparison they will be held accountable for, now that there is a second chance :-)... Best Skies and great health, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Study Confirms First-Known Belt Of Moonlets In Saturn Rings
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2007/411.html Office of News Services University of Colorado-Boulder Boulder, Colorado Contact: Miodrag Sremcevic, (303) 492-3395 Nicole Albers, (303) 735-4459 Oct. 24, 2007 New CU-Boulder Study Confirms First-Known Belt Of Moonlets In Saturn Rings A narrow belt harboring moonlets as large as football stadiums discovered in Saturn's outermost ring probably resulted when a larger moon was shattered by a wayward asteroid or comet eons ago, according to a University of Colorado at Boulder study. Images taken by a camera onboard the NASA Cassini spacecraft revealed a series of eight propeller-shaped wakes in a thin belt of the outermost A ring, indicating the presence of corresponding moonlets, said CU-Boulder Research Associate Miodrag Sremcevic, lead author of the study published in the Oct. 25 issue of Nature. The propeller wakes highlight tiny areas of the belt where ring material has been perturbed by the gravitational forces caused by individual moonlets, Sremcevic said. The team calculated that there likely are thousands of moonlets ranging in size from semi-trailers to sports arenas embedded in the A ring's thin moonlet belt that circles the planet. At about 2,000 miles across, the belt of moonlets is only about 1/80th the diameter of Saturn's total ring system, which at roughly 155,000 miles across would stretch about two-thirds of the way from Earth to the moon. This is the first evidence of a moonlet belt in any of Saturn's rings, said Sremcevic of CU-Boulder's Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics. We have firmly established these moonlets exist in a relatively narrow region of the A ring, and the evidence indicates they are remnants of a larger moon that was shattered by a meteoroid or comet. Co-authors of the Nature study include Juergen Schmidt, Martin Seiss and Frank Spahn of the University of Potsdam in Germany, Heikko Salo of the University of Oulu in Finland, and Nicole Albers of CU-Boulder's LASP. The images were taken by the Narrow Angle Camera onboard the NASA Cassini spacecraft, which was launched in 1997 and has been orbiting the Saturn system since July 2004. Each propeller feature is about 10 miles long, said Sremcevic, who with Spahn first predicted the existence of such propellers in Saturn's rings as an undergraduate at the University of Belgrade in 2000. While four propellers were discovered in the A ring in 2006 by a team led by Cornell University, Sremcevic and his colleagues looked at a much larger image sequence, allowing them to extrapolate statistically and confirm the presence of thousands of small objects in the A ring's moonlet belt. The moonlets may be the result of the break-up of a ring-moon similar to Pan -- Saturn's innermost 20-mile diameter moon -- that was smashed by a comet or meteor, the team concluded. The team calculated the mass of the unseen moonlets in the belt greater than 50 feet in diameter to arrive at the estimated size of the moon involved in the collision creating the belt. The finding supports the theory that Saturn's rings initially were created in a collisional cascade of ring debris begun by a catastrophic break-up of an even larger moon in the Saturn system first proposed by CU-Boulder planetary scientists Larry Esposito and Joshua Colwell in 1987. The moonlets in the newly discovered belt may have formed after Saturn's rings already were in place, which planetary scientists speculate could have been hundreds of millions or even billions of years ago. It seems unlikely that moonlets are remainders of a single catastrophic event that created the whole ring system, because in this case a uniform distribution would emerge, the researchers wrote in Nature. Instead, the moonlet belt is compatible with a more recent body orbiting in the A ring. Esposito, who was not involved in the study, said the propellers show a striking demonstration of the lingering effects of the gravity from these small, embedded moonlets. Esposito is the chief scientist on the NASA Cassini mission's $12.5 million Ultra-Violet Imaging Spectrograph designed and built at LASP. Sremcevic said the discovery of the moonlet belt is another piece in the puzzle regarding the formation and evolution of Saturn's rings. We believe future studies of ring evolution will need to incorporate the findings and implications from this study. The NASA Cassini mission, formerly called the Cassini-Huygens mission, is a cooperative project of NASA, the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the NASA Cassini mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington, D.C. For more information about NASA Cassini-Huygens visit http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov To listen to a podcast of Sremcevic describing his findings visit: http://www.colorado.edu/news/podcasts/ IMAGE CAPTION:
[meteorite-list] Life on Mars Theory Put To Test
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7056686.stm Life from Mars theory put to test BBC October 23, 2007 A rock quarried on Orkney was blasted into space to find out if meteorites could carry primitive life from one planet to another. One theory being tested is whether life could have arrived on Earth from Mars. University of Aberdeen experts had the rock attached to an unmanned Russian craft and found life would probably only survive in a large meteorite. Further details about the experiment will be revealed at the Highland Science Festival on 3 November. A slab quarried from Cruaday, Sandwick, was sent to Vienna to be specially sculpted into the right shape. Transformed into the size of bowler hat, it was then attached to the side of the European Space Agency's Foton M3 mission, which launched from Kazakhstan last month. Professor John Parnell, chair in geology and petroleum geology at Aberdeen, studied what effect the heat of re-entry from space had on the rock, along with Dr Stephen Bowden. Orcadian rock was selected because it was organic-rich and extremely hard. Would vaporize Prof Parnell said primitive life could not survive a meteorite of small size because of the heat, but believed it could survive inside the centre of a larger one measuring tens of centimetres. However, he said any bigger and the meteorite would hit the ground so hard that it would vaporize. The Highland Science Festival runs until 17 November at venues in Inverness-shire, Dingwall and Applecross. One event will focus on Loch Ness, while another will centre around a film made by photographer Raymond Besant about the fulmar seabird, with scenes featuring the seabird from St Kilda and Orkney, as well as the Netherlands and Aberdeenshire. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 24, 2007
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES October 24, 2007 o Possible Ancient Salt Deposits within Unnamed Crater in Terra Cimmeria http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_005680_1525 o Thumbprint Texture on Dark Dunes in Rabe Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_005514_1360 o South Polar Layered Deposits with Surface Modification http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_005381_0870 o Crater with Wind Streak http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_005375_1675 o Catastrophic Outflow Features in Tharsis Region http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_005361_2005 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
Sure, and my questions were rhetorical more than anything else (not to compare to Halley's Comet's size, or anything like that - they are miracle specific). What would the wise kings in Biblical times have made of this? (rhetorical) However, coma aside, a (now) 500,000 times increase in a few short hours is quite remarkable by any standard - especially for something so far away, and what has gone into this. This is not your typical comet event as you know and is completely exploding off any graph for how magnitudes of comets normally evolve - that is at the heart. This event will go down as one of the most spectacular, if not the most spectacular, of its kind ever observed. If not for the prior much lesser outburst recorded for this comet, I would be more inclined to think it was an impact, than anything else. This is a comet that at closest approach to the Sun only makes a Vesta (Main belt asteroid, maximum concentration zone) distance. It virtually appeared out of nowhere into not only the eyepiece, but also the naked eye at 2.4+ AU. Nonetheless, your point about the coma is well accepted. I am blown away by rate at which it happened as the comet was already very well far on its way out. and after all, it is traveling at 2.2 Km/s. Best wishes, Doug - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! The size of the comet core is largely irrelevant. What matters is the size of the coma, since that's what is reflecting the light. And an active comet can easily have a coma many times larger than Mars. In reality, active comets are amongst the largest objects in the Solar System, even though their cores are amongst the smallest. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hi Again Listees, With regards to Comet 17P (Holmes) estimated at under 3.5 Km in diameter, and being twice as far from the Earth as the planet Mars: How could it be one sixteenth as bright as Mars and an easy object in the night sky with an almost Full Moon? No doubt it has a lot of ice crystals or something white and reflective. A rought thought says that in absolute terms it is one fourth the brightness of Mars if they were at the same distance from us! This is because we perceive only 1/4 of the light intensity due to the doubling of distance, It is it is hard to avoid the temptation of thinking this tiny body is of relatively pristine material now confined to the Asteroid belt, but before, from the Outer Solar System, and may, for once, given Jupiter his dues, have been affected by a relatively close pass to the inner Solar System, with Venus, Earth and Mars all aligned this month to exert their gravitational attraction together. Not to mention all of the scientists and collectors who would will material to Earth. The comet is over 40% further away from Earth as it is from Mars at the moment, so I hope the guys with their hands on the controls of the Mars rovers take a break and look up for us at MidSolnight, and that the Deep Impact Crew is already into emergency overdrive to make the comparison they will be held accountable for, now that there is a second chance :-)... Best Skies and great health, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] amazing mali meteorite
If you paid more than $2- a gram for this unclassified meteorite, YOU got ripped off yet again. There has to be more than a hundred KG of this. Don --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good afternoon list.With all the different reports I have seen on this list,and all the pics of the different meteorites,I have to say that this is without a doubt, this is a different meteorite.I just got a 70.5 gram fragment that is rich in black crust,bright metal flecks, and very nice shock veins.It is a pristine piece.I can hardly wait for a complete stone. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Don Rawlings __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] amazing mali meteorite
I have yet to see this for under 2.50 and that is for frags and little tiny individuals. All the big. (Over 500g) individuals are at least 3.5/g. What gives? Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:21:44 To:steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] amazing mali meteorite If you paid more than $2- a gram for this unclassified meteorite, YOU got ripped off yet again. There has to be more than a hundred KG of this. Don --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good afternoon list.With all the different reports I have seen on this list,and all the pics of the different meteorites,I have to say that this is without a doubt, this is a different meteorite.I just got a 70.5 gram fragment that is rich in black crust,bright metal flecks, and very nice shock veins.It is a pristine piece.I can hardly wait for a complete stone. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Don Rawlings __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] amazing mali meteorite
You are dealing with the wrong people Matt. There is a flood of it coming. Michael Farmer --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have yet to see this for under 2.50 and that is for frags and little tiny individuals. All the big. (Over 500g) individuals are at least 3.5/g. What gives? Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:21:44 To:steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] amazing mali meteorite If you paid more than $2- a gram for this unclassified meteorite, YOU got ripped off yet again. There has to be more than a hundred KG of this. Don --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good afternoon list.With all the different reports I have seen on this list,and all the pics of the different meteorites,I have to say that this is without a doubt, this is a different meteorite.I just got a 70.5 gram fragment that is rich in black crust,bright metal flecks, and very nice shock veins.It is a pristine piece.I can hardly wait for a complete stone. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Don Rawlings __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
Hi Doug, You are right. This is a phenomenal event! First a supernova in NGC 7721 and now this comet suddenly brightens by several magnitudes. Unfortunately, all I have at present is a great view of the Great Cloudy (and rainey) Nebula. -Walter Branch (listing more meteorites on ebay) - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Sure, and my questions were rhetorical more than anything else (not to compare to Halley's Comet's size, or anything like that - they are miracle specific). What would the wise kings in Biblical times have made of this? (rhetorical) However, coma aside, a (now) 500,000 times increase in a few short hours is quite remarkable by any standard - especially for something so far away, and what has gone into this. This is not your typical comet event as you know and is completely exploding off any graph for how magnitudes of comets normally evolve - that is at the heart. This event will go down as one of the most spectacular, if not the most spectacular, of its kind ever observed. If not for the prior much lesser outburst recorded for this comet, I would be more inclined to think it was an impact, than anything else. This is a comet that at closest approach to the Sun only makes a Vesta (Main belt asteroid, maximum concentration zone) distance. It virtually appeared out of nowhere into not only the eyepiece, but also the naked eye at 2.4+ AU. Nonetheless, your point about the coma is well accepted. I am blown away by rate at which it happened as the comet was already very well far on its way out. and after all, it is traveling at 2.2 Km/s. Best wishes, Doug - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! The size of the comet core is largely irrelevant. What matters is the size of the coma, since that's what is reflecting the light. And an active comet can easily have a coma many times larger than Mars. In reality, active comets are amongst the largest objects in the Solar System, even though their cores are amongst the smallest. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hi Again Listees, With regards to Comet 17P (Holmes) estimated at under 3.5 Km in diameter, and being twice as far from the Earth as the planet Mars: How could it be one sixteenth as bright as Mars and an easy object in the night sky with an almost Full Moon? No doubt it has a lot of ice crystals or something white and reflective. A rought thought says that in absolute terms it is one fourth the brightness of Mars if they were at the same distance from us! This is because we perceive only 1/4 of the light intensity due to the doubling of distance, It is it is hard to avoid the temptation of thinking this tiny body is of relatively pristine material now confined to the Asteroid belt, but before, from the Outer Solar System, and may, for once, given Jupiter his dues, have been affected by a relatively close pass to the inner Solar System, with Venus, Earth and Mars all aligned this month to exert their gravitational attraction together. Not to mention all of the scientists and collectors who would will material to Earth. The comet is over 40% further away from Earth as it is from Mars at the moment, so I hope the guys with their hands on the controls of the Mars rovers take a break and look up for us at MidSolnight, and that the Deep Impact Crew is already into emergency overdrive to make the comparison they will be held accountable for, now that there is a second chance :-)... Best Skies and great health, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] amazing mali meteorite
As a supplyer, I have nothing to offer as the price is high, nobody here wanna take the chance to invest on this meteorite. Aziz --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are dealing with the wrong people Matt. There is a flood of it coming. Michael Farmer --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have yet to see this for under 2.50 and that is for frags and little tiny individuals. All the big. (Over 500g) individuals are at least 3.5/g. What gives? Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:21:44 To:steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] amazing mali meteorite If you paid more than $2- a gram for this unclassified meteorite, YOU got ripped off yet again. There has to be more than a hundred KG of this. Don --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good afternoon list.With all the different reports I have seen on this list,and all the pics of the different meteorites,I have to say that this is without a doubt, this is a different meteorite.I just got a 70.5 gram fragment that is rich in black crust,bright metal flecks, and very nice shock veins.It is a pristine piece.I can hardly wait for a complete stone. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Don Rawlings __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] amazing mali meteorite
Thanks for the tip and the good news ! - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] amazing mali meteorite You are dealing with the wrong people Matt. There is a flood of it coming. Michael Farmer --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have yet to see this for under 2.50 and that is for frags and little tiny individuals. All the big. (Over 500g) individuals are at least 3.5/g. What gives? Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:21:44 To:steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] amazing mali meteorite If you paid more than $2- a gram for this unclassified meteorite, YOU got ripped off yet again. There has to be more than a hundred KG of this. Don --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good afternoon list.With all the different reports I have seen on this list,and all the pics of the different meteorites,I have to say that this is without a doubt, this is a different meteorite.I just got a 70.5 gram fragment that is rich in black crust,bright metal flecks, and very nice shock veins.It is a pristine piece.I can hardly wait for a complete stone. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Don Rawlings __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
Hi, Doug, Walt, List, Get out those binoculars. Maybe you won't need them... Posted 49 minutes ago. P17 now 1,000,000 times brighter. Reported visible to the naked eye from a large city: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/highlights/10775326.html Comet expert Gary Kronk expects this object to remain bright and grow from a starlike point to several arcminutes across over the next few nights as it makes its way slowly westward across Perseus. Its position on October 25th (0h UT) is right ascension 3h 53m, declination +50.1° (equinox 2000), and by October 30th it will have moved only to 3h 48m, +50.4°. For those living in the Northern Hemisphere, Perseus is visible all night at this time of year. http://www.space.com/spacewatch/071025-comet-holmes.html with North American 8 pm chart for tonight at: http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=071024-comet-holmes-02.jpgcap=Comet+Holmes%27+location+as+of+Oct.+24th+at+8+p.m.+local+time+from+midnorthern+latitudes.+ Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hi Doug, You are right. This is a phenomenal event! First a supernova in NGC 7721 and now this comet suddenly brightens by several magnitudes. Unfortunately, all I have at present is a great view of the Great Cloudy (and rainey) Nebula. -Walter Branch (listing more meteorites on ebay) - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Sure, and my questions were rhetorical more than anything else (not to compare to Halley's Comet's size, or anything like that - they are miracle specific). What would the wise kings in Biblical times have made of this? (rhetorical) However, coma aside, a (now) 500,000 times increase in a few short hours is quite remarkable by any standard - especially for something so far away, and what has gone into this. This is not your typical comet event as you know and is completely exploding off any graph for how magnitudes of comets normally evolve - that is at the heart. This event will go down as one of the most spectacular, if not the most spectacular, of its kind ever observed. If not for the prior much lesser outburst recorded for this comet, I would be more inclined to think it was an impact, than anything else. This is a comet that at closest approach to the Sun only makes a Vesta (Main belt asteroid, maximum concentration zone) distance. It virtually appeared out of nowhere into not only the eyepiece, but also the naked eye at 2.4+ AU. Nonetheless, your point about the coma is well accepted. I am blown away by rate at which it happened as the comet was already very well far on its way out. and after all, it is traveling at 2.2 Km/s. Best wishes, Doug - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! The size of the comet core is largely irrelevant. What matters is the size of the coma, since that's what is reflecting the light. And an active comet can easily have a coma many times larger than Mars. In reality, active comets are amongst the largest objects in the Solar System, even though their cores are amongst the smallest. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hi Again Listees, With regards to Comet 17P (Holmes) estimated at under 3.5 Km in diameter, and being twice as far from the Earth as the planet Mars: How could it be one sixteenth as bright as Mars and an easy object in the night sky with an almost Full Moon? No doubt it has a lot of ice crystals or something white and reflective. A rought thought says that in absolute terms it is one fourth the brightness of Mars if they were at the same distance from us! This is because we perceive only 1/4 of the light intensity due to the doubling of distance, It is it is hard to avoid the temptation of thinking this tiny body is of relatively pristine material now confined to the Asteroid belt, but before, from the Outer Solar System, and may, for once, given Jupiter his dues, have been affected by a relatively close pass to the inner Solar System, with Venus, Earth and Mars all aligned this month to exert
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
Great tip Doug. Will stay tuned. Haven't heard yet from Space Weather Phone, a paid subscription I have, so thanks again for an early tip. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Resend didn't go through the first time ... - Original Message - From: mexicodoug To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:28 AM Subject: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hi List, In the ancient constellation of Perseus (Rising in the NE just after Sunset and highest in the sky around 2-4 am), a fading comet has suddenly exploded back into life. This comet, 17P Holmes, is suddenly visible to the naked eye, although it had already swung by its perihelion months ago and was now about 2.5 AU from the Sun. (and a little bit more than the Sun-Mars distance from Earth). Initially mistaken for a companion to the Andromeda Galaxy, Comet Holmes was discovered in 1892, and has had a lesser outburst before... Not bad for a Jupiter family (main belt asteroid like) comet estimated at less than 3.5 Km in diameter. What is happing aboard Comet Holmes? Why is it suddenly 100,000 times brighter than it was before? Don't touch that dial and stay tuned for some exciting scenes next week :-) Happy Hunting, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
It certainly is remarkable. Fascinating to speculate on just what occurred to throw off what must be a vast amount of material. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Sure, and my questions were rhetorical more than anything else (not to compare to Halley's Comet's size, or anything like that - they are miracle specific). What would the wise kings in Biblical times have made of this? (rhetorical) However, coma aside, a (now) 500,000 times increase in a few short hours is quite remarkable by any standard - especially for something so far away, and what has gone into this. This is not your typical comet event as you know and is completely exploding off any graph for how magnitudes of comets normally evolve - that is at the heart. This event will go down as one of the most spectacular, if not the most spectacular, of its kind ever observed. If not for the prior much lesser outburst recorded for this comet, I would be more inclined to think it was an impact, than anything else. This is a comet that at closest approach to the Sun only makes a Vesta (Main belt asteroid, maximum concentration zone) distance. It virtually appeared out of nowhere into not only the eyepiece, but also the naked eye at 2.4+ AU. Nonetheless, your point about the coma is well accepted. I am blown away by rate at which it happened as the comet was already very well far on its way out. and after all, it is traveling at 2.2 Km/s. Best wishes, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] World Meteorite Languages-V2.0 - Correction
Got it Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] World Meteorite Languages-V2.0 - Correction Dirk wrote: There are now over 50 languages listed and about 75+ words for the term meteorite on my updated webpage at www.meteortesjapan.com This link doesn't work because an i is missing. So, if interested in taking a look, use this link: www.meteoritesjapan.com Then click on Meteorite World Languages Best wishes, Bern __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] World Meteorite Languages-V2.0 - Correction
Dirk, Bernd and List, modern Western civilization should have consulted with these ancient cultures long before Chaldi[please excuse my spelling] sought the origins of Enshshiem[spell again] and the French Academy of Science continuously refuted any attempt to validate the origins of the heavenly stones. What may we as a culture be guilty of repudiating today that OUR ancestors recognized as common sense? I don't know. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] World Meteorite Languages-V2.0 - Correction Dirk wrote: There are now over 50 languages listed and about 75+ words for the term meteorite on my updated webpage at www.meteortesjapan.com This link doesn't work because an i is missing. So, if interested in taking a look, use this link: www.meteoritesjapan.com Then click on Meteorite World Languages Best wishes, Bern __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 17P Holmes
Hi all - I wonder if this outgassing has affected 17P's orbit, and if so by how much? E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] World Meteorite Languages-V2.0 - Correction
Oh, excuse me. The previous post was based upon the wealth of names from Dirk's website in non western cultures which point to the true origins of our avocational rocks. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] World Meteorite Languages-V2.0 - Correction Dirk wrote: There are now over 50 languages listed and about 75+ words for the term meteorite on my updated webpage at www.meteortesjapan.com This link doesn't work because an i is missing. So, if interested in taking a look, use this link: www.meteoritesjapan.com Then click on Meteorite World Languages Best wishes, Bern __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
Hi, A history of Holmes at: http://cometography.com/pcomets/017p.html says it was discovered (1892) in a brilliant naked-eye outburst but then faded away. Five months later, it brightened again back to a lesser naked-eye status. It was observed through its 1906 perihelion, but was lost thereafter. It was often observed without any coma whatsoever. It was recovered in 1964 after Brian Marsten recalculated the orbit, as a coma-less condensation and has never shown more than a wisp of coma... until now. Hard to imagine that solar heating of volatiles at its great distance at irregular intervals could be responsible for such brightening. When it was discovered, it was excitedly thought to be a recovery of Comet Biela, and we all know what happened in Biela-ville. Exposing half the comet to sunlight (or a third or a quarter) might do it. [For those not up on their comet gossip, the large bright Comet Biela broke apart into TWO Comet Bielas, then eventually NO Comet Bielas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D/Biela] Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! It certainly is remarkable. Fascinating to speculate on just what occurred to throw off what must be a vast amount of material. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Sure, and my questions were rhetorical more than anything else (not to compare to Halley's Comet's size, or anything like that - they are miracle specific). What would the wise kings in Biblical times have made of this? (rhetorical) However, coma aside, a (now) 500,000 times increase in a few short hours is quite remarkable by any standard - especially for something so far away, and what has gone into this. This is not your typical comet event as you know and is completely exploding off any graph for how magnitudes of comets normally evolve - that is at the heart. This event will go down as one of the most spectacular, if not the most spectacular, of its kind ever observed. If not for the prior much lesser outburst recorded for this comet, I would be more inclined to think it was an impact, than anything else. This is a comet that at closest approach to the Sun only makes a Vesta (Main belt asteroid, maximum concentration zone) distance. It virtually appeared out of nowhere into not only the eyepiece, but also the naked eye at 2.4+ AU. Nonetheless, your point about the coma is well accepted. I am blown away by rate at which it happened as the comet was already very well far on its way out. and after all, it is traveling at 2.2 Km/s. Best wishes, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
Wouldn't you know, clouded out here in eastern Massachusetts. Fortunately, Comets should hang around for a time. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hello List, This bodes great (in a Titian-Bodean sense) for tonight in Europe and North America. I put a finder chart up for this evening at: www.diogenite.com/17P.jpg This is the show in Europe right now...and should print well to an A4 or letter sized piece of paper. A new star was just born for those familiar with the neighborhood of Algol and Capella. The best time will be as the moon gets lower just before the glow of Sunrise, and the comet will be half way to the Zenith due NW (and the chart will still be fine upside down in the Northern hemisphere). Mars will brightly shine 16 times brighter overhead in Gemini. Nearby is Capella, the 6th largest star and 6th brightest starry object in the sky (Called Colca by the Aymara for a cache of food - which ancient Greeks believed was the horn of plenty Cornucopia, and the name of the famous Valley/Canyon of Condors by Arequipa, Peru) is nearby. Moon or not, it's so bright you can still get a fine view after Sunset if you don't mind the interference from that big Lunar up there. Tonight's the night!! The location on the finder chart is similar for the next week (heading toward Mirphak, just a tad), since the comet is very far away from Earth with respect to noticable relative motion. Best wishes for a long night, Doug - Original Message - From: K. Ohtsuka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hello all, I have just looked at the superoutburst of 17P/Holmes, as follows: 2007 Oct. 24.72 UT: m1=2.8, Dia.=, DC=9, by NE Katsu. OHTSUKA Tokyo, JAPAN - Original Message - From: giovannisostero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hi all, this is our BVR shot of 17P/Holmes in outburst (brightest object in the field center): http://tinyurl.com/2mxrmx Cheers, Giovanni and Ernesto __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:09:21 -0500, you wrote: A history of Holmes at: http://cometography.com/pcomets/017p.html says it was discovered (1892) in a brilliant naked-eye outburst but then faded away. Five months later, it Hm. A unusual acting comet named Holmes and a prominent Scientologist married to someone named Holmes. Coincidence? Maybe Hale-Bopp isn't the only comet with a spaceship behind it... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
Given the improbability of solar excitation because of the mighty distance, could a mighty collisional event be perhaps the cause of this sudden brightening. An event colossal compared to our recent astounding success an comet interception but rather weak effects at brightening, preceived only marginaly from anywhere but Right There. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Hi, A history of Holmes at: http://cometography.com/pcomets/017p.html says it was discovered (1892) in a brilliant naked-eye outburst but then faded away. Five months later, it brightened again back to a lesser naked-eye status. It was observed through its 1906 perihelion, but was lost thereafter. It was often observed without any coma whatsoever. It was recovered in 1964 after Brian Marsten recalculated the orbit, as a coma-less condensation and has never shown more than a wisp of coma... until now. Hard to imagine that solar heating of volatiles at its great distance at irregular intervals could be responsible for such brightening. When it was discovered, it was excitedly thought to be a recovery of Comet Biela, and we all know what happened in Biela-ville. Exposing half the comet to sunlight (or a third or a quarter) might do it. [For those not up on their comet gossip, the large bright Comet Biela broke apart into TWO Comet Bielas, then eventually NO Comet Bielas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D/Biela] Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! It certainly is remarkable. Fascinating to speculate on just what occurred to throw off what must be a vast amount of material. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Sure, and my questions were rhetorical more than anything else (not to compare to Halley's Comet's size, or anything like that - they are miracle specific). What would the wise kings in Biblical times have made of this? (rhetorical) However, coma aside, a (now) 500,000 times increase in a few short hours is quite remarkable by any standard - especially for something so far away, and what has gone into this. This is not your typical comet event as you know and is completely exploding off any graph for how magnitudes of comets normally evolve - that is at the heart. This event will go down as one of the most spectacular, if not the most spectacular, of its kind ever observed. If not for the prior much lesser outburst recorded for this comet, I would be more inclined to think it was an impact, than anything else. This is a comet that at closest approach to the Sun only makes a Vesta (Main belt asteroid, maximum concentration zone) distance. It virtually appeared out of nowhere into not only the eyepiece, but also the naked eye at 2.4+ AU. Nonetheless, your point about the coma is well accepted. I am blown away by rate at which it happened as the comet was already very well far on its way out. and after all, it is traveling at 2.2 Km/s. Best wishes, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event !
I just received my phone call and email from Space Weather.com phone line. This List is remarkable for its early warning system! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! It certainly is remarkable. Fascinating to speculate on just what occurred to throw off what must be a vast amount of material. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet 17P (Holmes) Visible Event ! Sure, and my questions were rhetorical more than anything else (not to compare to Halley's Comet's size, or anything like that - they are miracle specific). What would the wise kings in Biblical times have made of this? (rhetorical) However, coma aside, a (now) 500,000 times increase in a few short hours is quite remarkable by any standard - especially for something so far away, and what has gone into this. This is not your typical comet event as you know and is completely exploding off any graph for how magnitudes of comets normally evolve - that is at the heart. This event will go down as one of the most spectacular, if not the most spectacular, of its kind ever observed. If not for the prior much lesser outburst recorded for this comet, I would be more inclined to think it was an impact, than anything else. This is a comet that at closest approach to the Sun only makes a Vesta (Main belt asteroid, maximum concentration zone) distance. It virtually appeared out of nowhere into not only the eyepiece, but also the naked eye at 2.4+ AU. Nonetheless, your point about the coma is well accepted. I am blown away by rate at which it happened as the comet was already very well far on its way out. and after all, it is traveling at 2.2 Km/s. Best wishes, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: World Meteorite Languages-V2.0
Super instructive Dirk. Wish I could contribute but I'm barely able to handle my native language. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dirk ross [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: World Meteorite Languages-V2.0 Dear List Members: There are now over 50 languages listed and about 75+ words for the term meteorite on my updated webpage at www.meteortesjapan.com I would greatly appreciate it you would take time to look at it and contribute to make this list as complete and correct as possible. If you find errors please let me know. Thank you. You will be cited for any additions or for helful comments (If you don`t want your name used please tell me). Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.MeteoritesJapan.com (educational site with only list of mets offered). www.InsekiJapan.com (commercial site with several products) If you also wish, please take a look at what meteorites and others that I can offer. Best! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Comet Holmes
Hi List just went outside a few minutes ago. Tell me if I saw the comet. I looked down from Marfak (brightest star in perseus) to the next star called Delta Persei. Then I looked 2° to the left (which would be west at this time now) and BAM! This thing is bright!! Too bad no tail but my guess is something cataclysmic occurred internally and made it's way to the surface. So for those experts out there who have seen the comet does it seem as if I was looking in the right area and saw it? Just looking for some verification is all. Thanks Don M __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - October 25, 2007
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Re: [meteorite-list] Comet Holmes
Hello Don: Sounds good to me! We could see all three in the same field of the binocs and then could see it even with the naked eye. Not bad for a nearly full moon! It looked a little reddish and the three of us (Nancy, me, and one of my students) all could convince ourselves that it did not quite look starlike (just a tad fuzzy). On top of that, saw ISS at -27 magnitude and the shuttle 90 degrees behind at -1.5 or a little brighter. Not a bad evening! Larry On Wed, October 24, 2007 7:33 pm, Don Merchant wrote: Hi List just went outside a few minutes ago. Tell me if I saw the comet. I looked down from Marfak (brightest star in perseus) to the next star called Delta Persei. Then I looked 2° to the left (which would be west at this time now) and BAM! This thing is bright!! Too bad no tail but my guess is something cataclysmic occurred internally and made it's way to the surface. So for those experts out there who have seen the comet does it seem as if I was looking in the right area and saw it? Just looking for some verification is all. Thanks Don M __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Comet Holmes
Hi, Don, That is the correct location. There can't be two of them. In some locations (like mine), that is the sky coordinates of the Great Cloudy Nebula, as Walter called it. And, of course, the sky to the southwest is clear, where it doesn't matter. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Don Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Comet Holmes Hi List just went outside a few minutes ago. Tell me if I saw the comet. I looked down from Marfak (brightest star in perseus) to the next star called Delta Persei. Then I looked 2° to the left (which would be west at this time now) and BAM! This thing is bright!! Too bad no tail but my guess is something cataclysmic occurred internally and made it's way to the surface. So for those experts out there who have seen the comet does it seem as if I was looking in the right area and saw it? Just looking for some verification is all. Thanks Don M __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Comet Holmes
Good fortune shines on comet observers in Plymouth, Massachusetts. A break of 15 minutes in the cloud cover allowed us an easy view of Comet Holmes. Quite unstarlike but not the ordinary hazy comet. A sharp object more planetlike than any comet I've seen. Probably due to its unusual brightening at such an extrodinary distance from Earth. Easy naked eye object even drenched in moonlight, but binoculars are amazing. Good luck on this one to all dwellers in light polluted areas. It should be observable but its time of continued brightening may be limited if the event that caused it is NOT the usual solar excitation. Consider our comet crasher last year. The interval of brightening was short lived. Cool! Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] comet holmes
What's the time interval for light transmission from this distance to earth? Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] comet holmes
Hi, Jerry, I don't know the exact distance to 17P (starts Googling). Light speed is 18 million kilometers a minute. If I did it right (don't hold me to it) Mars is 121,422,000 kilometers away right now (give or take), or a light travel time of 6 minutes, 44.67 seconds -- that's why all those phone calls you've been making to Mars are so expensive. Doug says: Comet 17P (Holmes) estimated at under 3.5 Km in diameter, and being twice as far from the Earth as the planet Mars I don't know if he means at the moment or that its perihelion distance is 2.1655 AU (and aphelion at 5.2 AU). Holmes has passed perihelion (May 4) and is heading out, so a long way. The Space.com article says it's 243,000,000 km away (twice as far as Mars, like Doug said) and assuming they mean actual Earth-Comet distance, the light travel time is 13 minutes, 30 seconds. Long distance call... Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] comet holmes What's the time interval for light transmission from this distance to earth? Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] comet holmes
Hello Jerry: Based on Starry Night, the Shuttle was about 360km away at closest and ISS about 390km away. At 300,000 km/sec (speed of light), we are talking about 1/1000 of a second for light to get from there to here. Not sure how far apart they were, but do not think that it was very much different than that. Larry On Wed, October 24, 2007 8:50 pm, Jerry wrote: What's the time interval for light transmission from this distance to earth? Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] comet holmes, Oops
Too mnay objects running around. 1 AU = 149,600,000 km Comet Holmes = 1.6345 AU from earth this evening (in two days it will be down to 1.630 AU, better duck) This gives a distance of 244,500,000 km Speed of light is 299,800 km/sec So Light Distance = 816 seconds (give or take) Larry On Wed, October 24, 2007 9:29 pm, Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, Jerry, I don't know the exact distance to 17P (starts Googling). Light speed is 18 million kilometers a minute. If I did it right (don't hold me to it) Mars is 121,422,000 kilometers away right now (give or take), or a light travel time of 6 minutes, 44.67 seconds -- that's why all those phone calls you've been making to Mars are so expensive. Doug says: Comet 17P (Holmes) estimated at under 3.5 Km in diameter, and being twice as far from the Earth as the planet Mars I don't know if he means at the moment or that its perihelion distance is 2.1655 AU (and aphelion at 5.2 AU). Holmes has passed perihelion (May 4) and is heading out, so a long way. The Space.com article says it's 243,000,000 km away (twice as far as Mars, like Doug said) and assuming they mean actual Earth-Comet distance, the light travel time is 13 minutes, 30 seconds. Long distance call... Sterling K. Webb -- - - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] comet holmes What's the time interval for light transmission from this distance to earth? Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
