Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal
Francesco, I am just tired of losing my money. I work hard to acquire my meteorites, and doing hundreds of ebay auctions a month is a full-time job. To see 40 or 50% of items I send to Italy continually vanish is just no longer acceptable. I do not know or care where the problem it, but it is clearly on the Italian side. I am not the only one with the problem, it has been ongoing for years. I am simply no longer willing to throw my meteorites and money away by risking shipment to Italy if the meteorites are paid for via paypal. Michael Farmer --- Moser Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All! As you know I'm Italian so I think I have the right to tell you my 2cents! 1) Naples and the rubbish (OT): Maybe most of you don't know nothing about the rubbish situations in Naples and the near cities. This is the situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rud-B1IDo-Qfeature=related http://images.google.it/images?gbv=2svnum=10hl=itclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Ait%3Aofficialq=napoli+immondiziabtnG=Cerca+immagini About 130.000ton of the rubbish on the streets!!! The fault is the Mafia, corrupt politicians and a lot of other people interested in the rubbish businnes. It's very humiliating that this is the image that the other countries has about Italy and about Italian people, so I write this e-mail. 2) Italian situation (OT): As you know Italy is a long and thin country, long about 1000km from north to south. You have to know that there are HUGE and HUGE difference beetween the northern regions and the southern regions. Many people who live in the northern Italy think that the south Italy looks like Third World, like the poorest and worst African Country. Who live in south Italy look at the northern like a paradise on earth! A lot of people leave the cities in south for search a better life and work in north. I'm so angry when someone from the other country think that the Mafia is present in Italy!!! Mafia is only in the south and biggest problem of my country comes also from the southern regions! Billions of Euro every year leave the northern regions for the south Italy, for try to resolve the dramatic situation, but all this money goes in the pocket of the Mafia :( When the political class will change I hope a lot of problems will disappear! So please when you insult Italy and the Italian People for Mafia and organized crime, remember that in Italy there are 2 different Italy!!! A rich and beatiful north and a poor and really problematic south!! 3) POSTAL PROBLEM: I'm so sorry to read that the post from USA to Europe (and specially to Italy) go lost in a lot of cases! In the last 2years I have sent and received a lot of packages, about 100. Only one letter sent to Germany went lost... At now the person how sent something to me have never lost anything, I have had some trouble only with a couple of letters... Actually I'm waiting for 5 meteorites...I hope they are on the way :D !!! I don't know the cause of these lost and for the huge delay, i think the situation has worsened in the last few month. I live in a little city, about 100.000 inhabitants, in august there were about 25ton of post in local postal office, nobody knows what really happened and why! 6 month ago a package took about 15days for the trip from USA, now I know I have to wait 4-6weeks. But for example Greg Hupe has sent me a box on 29.15 and it was arrived on 14.01! Some month ago I send a meteorite to Boston and the trip took just 8days with the normal post, just 0.80⬠of shipping cost! The trip of a letter from Germany took 3weeks... I don't think there is corruption of the postal service...I think it's hard to say where is the problem. I hope in the future the problem disappear so we (European and Italian) could buy from the great USA dealer without problem! Ciao Francesco Moser __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal
its many strange many others from USA ship to Italy and arrive all with no problems and you and other few no Matteo - Original Message - Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : Moser Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED], ZZ ML Meteorite-List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal Data : Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:59:46 -0800 (PST) Francesco, I am just tired of losing my money. I work hard to acquire my meteorites, and doing hundreds of ebay auctions a month is a full-time job. To see 40 or 50% of items I send to Italy continually vanish is just no longer acceptable. I do not know or care where the problem it, but it is clearly on the Italian side. I am not the only one with the problem, it has been ongoing for years. I am simply no longer willing to throw my meteorites and money away by risking shipment to Italy if the meteorites are paid for via paypal. Michael Farmer --- Moser Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All! As you know I'm Italian so I think I have the right to tell you my 2cents! 1) Naples and the rubbish (OT): Maybe most of you don't know nothing about the rubbish situations in Naples and the near cities. This is the situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rud-B1IDo-Qfeature=related http://images.google.it/images?gbv=2svnum=10hl=itclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Ait%3Aofficialq=napoli+immondiziabtnG=Cerca+immagini About 130.000ton of the rubbish on the streets!!! The fault is the Mafia, corrupt politicians and a lot of other people interested in the rubbish businnes. It's very humiliating that this is the image that the other countries has about Italy and about Italian people, so I write this e-mail. 2) Italian situation (OT): As you know Italy is a long and thin country, long about 1000km from north to south. You have to know that there are HUGE and HUGE difference beetween the northern regions and the southern regions. Many people who live in the northern Italy think that the south Italy looks like Third World, like the poorest and worst African Country. Who live in south Italy look at the northern like a paradise on earth! A lot of people leave the cities in south for search a better life and work in north. I'm so angry when someone from the other country think that the Mafia is present in Italy!!! Mafia is only in the south and biggest problem of my country comes also from the southern regions! Billions of Euro every year leave the northern regions for the south Italy, for try to resolve the dramatic situation, but all this money goes in the pocket of the Mafia :( When the political class will change I hope a lot of problems will disappear! So please when you insult Italy and the Italian People for Mafia and organized crime, remember that in Italy there are 2 different Italy!!! A rich and beatiful north and a poor and really problematic south!! 3) POSTAL PROBLEM: I'm so sorry to read that the post from USA to Europe (and specially to Italy) go lost in a lot of cases! In the last 2years I have sent and received a lot of packages, about 100. Only one letter sent to Germany went lost... At now the person how sent something to me have never lost anything, I have had some trouble only with a couple of letters... Actually I'm waiting for 5 meteorites...I hope they are on the way :D !!! I don't know the cause of these lost and for the huge delay, i think the situation has worsened in the last few month. I live in a little city, about 100.000 inhabitants, in august there were about 25ton of post in local postal office, nobody knows what really happened and why! 6 month ago a package took about 15days for the trip from USA, now I know I have to wait 4-6weeks. But for example Greg Hupe has sent me a box on 29.15 and it was arrived on 14.01! Some month ago I send a meteorite to Boston and the trip took just 8days with the normal post, just 0.80⬠of shipping cost! The trip of a letter from Germany took 3weeks... I don't think there is corruption of the postal service...I think it's hard to say where is the problem. I hope in the future the problem disappear so we (European and Italian) could buy from the great USA dealer without problem! Ciao Francesco Moser __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Nininger/Nininger Moment
Hi Peter and all, Thanks for your input into the Nininger Moment. I am waiting to see if Mark Bostick will be putting his website back up or not. If not need to find another home for the Moments. Jim Tobin has offered to keep them on their website if Mark's site doesn't come back on and I think that would be a really good place for them since that is a very well read area for meteorites. All my best to all. --AL Mitterling Peter Marmet wrote: Hi AL and All, great reading, AL, many thanks! After reading your Nininger text, I remembered that I once bought a 20.6 g end piece of Bondoc. I even has a small number, painted with white ink (by H.H. Nininger?): (2)684.255 In the Catalog of Meteorites in the Coll. of ASU (Arizona State University) I found 550 kilos mentioned, the catalog number is 684... The base of the ASU Meteorite Coll. is the Nininger Collection, purchased in 1965. Further infos most welcome! Peter __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal
Hi All! As you know I'm Italian so I think I have the right to tell you my 2cents! 1) Naples and the rubbish (OT): Maybe most of you don't know nothing about the rubbish situations in Naples and the near cities. This is the situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rud-B1IDo-Qfeature=related http://images.google.it/images?gbv=2svnum=10hl=itclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Ait%3Aofficialq=napoli+immondiziabtnG=Cerca+immagini About 130.000ton of the rubbish on the streets!!! The fault is the Mafia, corrupt politicians and a lot of other people interested in the rubbish businnes. It's very humiliating that this is the image that the other countries has about Italy and about Italian people, so I write this e-mail. 2) Italian situation (OT): As you know Italy is a long and thin country, long about 1000km from north to south. You have to know that there are HUGE and HUGE difference beetween the northern regions and the southern regions. Many people who live in the northern Italy think that the south Italy looks like Third World, like the poorest and worst African Country. Who live in south Italy look at the northern like a paradise on earth! A lot of people leave the cities in south for search a better life and work in north. I'm so angry when someone from the other country think that the Mafia is present in Italy!!! Mafia is only in the south and biggest problem of my country comes also from the southern regions! Billions of Euro every year leave the northern regions for the south Italy, for try to resolve the dramatic situation, but all this money goes in the pocket of the Mafia :( When the political class will change I hope a lot of problems will disappear! So please when you insult Italy and the Italian People for Mafia and organized crime, remember that in Italy there are 2 different Italy!!! A rich and beatiful north and a poor and really problematic south!! 3) POSTAL PROBLEM: I'm so sorry to read that the post from USA to Europe (and specially to Italy) go lost in a lot of cases! In the last 2years I have sent and received a lot of packages, about 100. Only one letter sent to Germany went lost... At now the person how sent something to me have never lost anything, I have had some trouble only with a couple of letters... Actually I'm waiting for 5 meteorites...I hope they are on the way :D !!! I don't know the cause of these lost and for the huge delay, i think the situation has worsened in the last few month. I live in a little city, about 100.000 inhabitants, in august there were about 25ton of post in local postal office, nobody knows what really happened and why! 6 month ago a package took about 15days for the trip from USA, now I know I have to wait 4-6weeks. But for example Greg Hupe has sent me a box on 29.15 and it was arrived on 14.01! Some month ago I send a meteorite to Boston and the trip took just 8days with the normal post, just 0.80€ of shipping cost! The trip of a letter from Germany took 3weeks... I don't think there is corruption of the postal service...I think it's hard to say where is the problem. I hope in the future the problem disappear so we (European and Italian) could buy from the great USA dealer without problem! Ciao Francesco Moser __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal
38 (now 39) Posts in the last 24 hours with this subject. Hell, even Chicago Steve never got this bad. Damn, if I am not getting tired of all this crap. Bring back Steve and restore some sanity to this list. Howard Steffic From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:17:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal its many strange many others from USA ship to Italy and arrive all with no problems and you and other few no Matteo - Original Message - Da : Michael Farmer A : Moser Francesco , ZZ ML Meteorite-List Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal Data : Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:59:46 -0800 (PST) Francesco, I am just tired of losing my money. I work hard to acquire my meteorites, and doing hundreds of ebay auctions a month is a full-time job. To see 40 or 50% of items I send to Italy continually vanish is just no longer acceptable. I do not know or care where the problem it, but it is clearly on the Italian side. I am not the only one with the problem, it has been ongoing for years. I am simply no longer willing to throw my meteorites and money away by risking shipment to Italy if the meteorites are paid for via paypal. Michael Farmer --- Moser Francesco wrote: Hi All! As you know I'm Italian so I think I have the right to tell you my 2cents! 1) Naples and the rubbish (OT): Maybe most of you don't know nothing about the rubbish situations in Naples and the near cities. This is the situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rud-B1IDo-Qfeature=related http://images.google.it/images?gbv=2svnum=10hl=itclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Ait%3Aofficialq=napoli+immondiziabtnG=Cerca+immagini About 130.000ton of the rubbish on the streets!!! The fault is the Mafia, corrupt politicians and a lot of other people interested in the rubbish businnes. It's very humiliating that this is the image that the other countries has about Italy and about Italian people, so I write this e-mail. 2) Italian situation (OT): As you know Italy is a long and thin country, long about 1000km from north to south. You have to know that there are HUGE and HUGE difference beetween the northern regions and the southern regions. Many people who live in the northern Italy think that the south Italy looks like Third World, like the poorest and worst African Country. Who live in south Italy look at the northern like a paradise on earth! A lot of people leave the cities in south for search a better life and work in north. I'm so angry when someone from the other country think that the Mafia is present in Italy!!! Mafia is only in the south and biggest problem of my country comes also from the southern regions! Billions of Euro every year leave the northern regions for the south Italy, for try to resolve the dramatic situation, but all this money goes in the pocket of the Mafia :( When the political class will change I hope a lot of problems will disappear! So please when you insult Italy and the Italian People for Mafia and organized crime, remember that in Italy there are 2 different Italy!!! A rich and beatiful north and a poor and really problematic south!! 3) POSTAL PROBLEM: I'm so sorry to read that the post from USA to Europe (and specially to Italy) go lost in a lot of cases! In the last 2years I have sent and received a lot of packages, about 100. Only one letter sent to Germany went lost... At now the person how sent something to me have never lost anything, I have had some trouble only with a couple of letters... Actually I'm waiting for 5 meteorites...I hope they are on the way :D !!! I don't know the cause of these lost and for the huge delay, i think the situation has worsened in the last few month. I live in a little city, about 100.000 inhabitants, in august there were about 25ton of post in local postal office, nobody knows what really happened and why! 6 month ago a package took about 15days for the trip from USA, now I know I have to wait 4-6weeks. But for example Greg Hupe has sent me a box on 29.15 and it was arrived on 14.01! Some month ago I send a meteorite to Boston and the trip took just 8days with the normal post, just 0.80€ of shipping cost! The trip of a letter from Germany took 3weeks... I don't think there is corruption of the postal service...I think it's hard to say where is the problem. I hope in the future the problem disappear so we (European and Italian) could buy from the great USA dealer without problem! Ciao Francesco Moser __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thumrayt 001 Pallasite is now official
Center of nowhere, well Marcin, that pretty well describes every part of Oman! Sandy, again, not much of Oman lacks sand. The meteorite was not found in the riverbed, although pieces were found near the edge, it has likely been a hundred years since much water was in there. Yes, it is close to a village, I must assume the meteorite fell a thousand years before the village existed. Where is the problem? Check out the Mesosiderite strewnfield, it is between two major roads on the outskirts of Haima, we can hear the call to prayer in that strewnfield. Michael Farmer --- PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike I have loaded Meteorite Database in my Google Earth and I have entered coordinates of this new pallasite (17° 35'N, 54° 21'E). But GE show that find place is located in center of nowhere, close to small town in a higly sandy area that looks like dry river bed. Its strange, maybe they make any error in the coordinates ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 18, 2008
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_18_2008.html Beautiful, colorful chondrules,...several of them bleached chondrules (Bull's Eye Chondrules) which testify that this carbonaceous chondrite underwent aqueous alteration on its parent body. Those shining, white CAI's also are a feast for the eyes! Best wishes from the happy owner of six NWA 3118 specimens (11.51 - 4.16 - 6.71 - 4.97 - 4.03 - 6.56 grams) all of them from Michael Cottingham! Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] My archives, Darrll's last message to the list
Hi all - Dirk's request for additional information on names came as something of a surprise. Also, no mention of jjswain in the women in meteorites. I wonder what happened to her? Were the meteorite list archives lost? If so, I have a few selections which I saved, running back to 1998. I suppose I could zip up a few files, if anyone would want to place them in the archive. From: Darryl S. Futrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: Tektite refs and HOW ARE YOU? Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:45:34 -0800 -Original Message- From: Sarah Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Darryl S. Futrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, January 23, 2000 10:50 AM Subject: Tektite refs and HOW ARE YOU? MY FAREWELL TO THE LIST?? (I HOPE THIS GOES OUT TO THE LIST WITH ME RIDING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S ORIGINAL MESSAGE) I'M IN EXTREMELY POOR HEALTH WITH KIDNEY FAILURE AND POOR VISION ON TOP OF 55 YRS OF DIABETES WITH SEVVERAL OTHER COMPLICATIONS. SO, DON'T THINK I'LL BE HAVING MUCH MORE TO SAY ON TEKTITE ORIGIN, (WHETHER YOU THINK GOOD OR BAD). i SEE JOEL FINALLY PUBLISHED MY COMMENT ON WHAT BILLY GLASS SAID IN THE LAST ISSUE. AS YOU WILL NOTE, HE GAVE GLASS THE FINAL WORD, EVEN AN EXTRA PAGE. SO, IN MY OPINION, YOU ARE LEFT WITH VERY MISLEADING INFORMATION, AS USUAL. i HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN ABLE TO READ IT YET, BUT THAT IS ALWAYS THE CASE WHEN AN IMPACT ORIGIN FOR TEKTITE GLASS IS CLAIMED. NO SENSE IN ME EVEN TRYING TO RESPOND, AS JOEL TOLD ME THAT WILL BE THE END OF IT FOR NOW. I'VE HAD ABOUT 18 TEKTITE PAPERS PUBLISHED, INCLUDING A 1986 PAPER IN NATURE (BUT JOEL DIDN'T PUBLISH MY REFERENCES). i INVITE ANY SERIOUS TEKTITE STUDENT TO GET INVOLVED SEARCHING FOR THE FACTS. I'VE EXAMINED THOUSANDS OF LAYERED TEKTITES AND EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM HAS A VOLCAINC STRUCTURE. NOTHING LIKE REAL IMPACT MELTS SUCH AS HENBURY AND WABAR. TOO BAD LAYERED TEKTITES ARE SO SCARCE. THEY ARE SO UGLY THAT THEY ARE RARELY COLLLECTED, THO THERE ARE MANY TONS OF THEM IN THE AUSTRALASIAN STREWNFIELD. THE SMITHSONIAN HAS A TON OF THEM.. PLEASE DON'T ALLOW THE 'IMPACT GEOCHEMISTS' TO GET AWAY WITH WHAT IN MY OPINION, IS A FARCE. THE MOON IS NOT VOLCANICALLY DEAD, THE RARE LUNAR WATER IS OFTEN FROM MAGMAS, NOT COMETS, ETC.. DARRYL S. FUTRELL Of course, I disagreed with Darryl, as did the evidence, but a magnificent argument on Darryl's part. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MESSENGER's Mercury Flyby Science Data Now Safely on Earth
http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/status_report_01_18_08.html MESSENGER Mission News January 18, 2008 MESSENGER's Mercury Flyby Science Data Now Safely on Earth A day after its successful flyby of Mercury, the MESSENGER spacecraft turned toward Earth on Tuesday and began downloading the 500 megabytes of data that had been stored on the solid-state recorder during the encounter. All of those data, including 1,213 images from the Mercury Dual Imaging System (MDIS) cameras, have now been received by the Science Operations Center at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Md. Preliminary analysis of these data by the MESSENGER Science Team has confirmed that all seven MESSENGER instruments are healthy and operated as planned during the flyby. As MESSENGER flew by the planet, it missed its targeted aim point by only 8.25 kilometers (5.12 miles), affording the critical gravity assist needed to continue on a course to become - in 2011 - the first spacecraft ever to orbit Mercury. During this first encounter, the payload successfully conducted a carefully orchestrated sequence of observations designed to take full advantage of the geometry of the flyby trajectory and to optimize the science return from each instrument. In addition to images of the previously unseen portion of the planet's surface, measurements were made that will contribute to the characterization of all aspects of Mercury and its environment, from its metallic core to the far reaches of its magnetosphere. We have one excited Science Team, says MESSENGER Project Manager, Peter D. Bedini, of APL, and their enthusiasm is contagious. The analysis of these data is just beginning, but there are already indications that new discoveries are at hand. Two New Images from MESSENGER Team Reveal Overview of Mercury and the Planet's Cratering History Overview of Mercury as MESSENGER Approached As MESSENGER neared Mercury on January 14, 2008, the spacecraft's Wide Angle Camera on the Mercury Dual Imaging System (MDIS) took images of the planet through each of its 11 filters. This image http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2image_id=123 of the planet's full crescent was taken using the seventh filter, in light near the far-red end of the visible spectrum (750 nm). The image shows portions of Mercury previously seen by Mariner 10, but when Mariner 10 flew by the planet at each of its encounters the Sun was nearly overhead. For this MESSENGER flyby, in contrast, the Sun is shining obliquely on regions near the day/night boundary (called the terminator) on the right-hand side of the crescent, revealing the surface topography in sharp relief. This image illustrates how MESSENGER, during its future flybys and subsequent orbital mission, will teach us much about the portion of Mercury already imaged by Mariner 10, and not just because of its superior camera and close proximity to the planet. The solar lighting geometry makes an enormous difference. This picture provides a global context for the MDIS Narrow Angle Camera (NAC) images taken while MESSENGER was inbound. For example, the NAC image of the crater Vivaldi, released earlier this week http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?page=1gallery_id=2image_id=118, would fit as a small patch on the terminator just above the center of the crescent. The already released image that includes the crater Sholem Aleichem http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?page=1gallery_id=2image_id=122 shows a part of Mercury near the top of the crescent. More NAC images of the incoming crescent will be released in the future. This image was taken about 80 minutes before closest approach from a distance of about 27,000 kilometers (17,000 miles) and shows features as small as 10 kilometers (6 miles). Mercury's Complex Cratering History On January 14, 2008, MESSENGER observed about half of the hemisphere not seen by Mariner 10. These images http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2image_id=124, mosaicked together by the MESSENGER team, were taken by the Narrow Angle Camera (NAC), part of the Mercury Dual Imaging System (MDIS) instrument, about 20 minutes after MESSENGER's closest approach to Mercury (2:04 pm EST), when the spacecraft was at a distance of about 5,000 kilometers (about 3100 miles). The image shows features as small as 400 meters (0.25 miles) in size and is about 370 kilometers (230 miles) across. The image shows part of a large, fresh crater with secondary crater chains located near Mercury's equator on the side of the planet newly imaged by MESSENGER. Large, flat-floored craters often have terraced rims from post-impact collapse of their newly formed walls. The hundreds of secondary impactors that are excavated from the
Re: [meteorite-list] Thumrayt 001 Pallasite is now official
Center of nowhere, well Marcin, that pretty well describes every part of Oman! Caling it center of nowhere I mean much outside the normall Dhofar area. From the photos the place looks strange. Thats all, just my feeling. Waiting to see this pretty specimens :) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Help- I'm looking for a particular article from Nov. 2005- Meteorite Mag.
Hi all, I'm trying to find an article about the Randsburg Iron meteorite (for a friend) that was published in the November 2005 edition of Meteorite Mag.. I checked the website here- http://meteoritemag.uark.edu/516.htm However it looks like they're all sold out. Does anyone know where I might be able to get a copy of this article or buy this back issue? Thanks! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 18, 2008
Bullseye!!! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 18, 2008 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_18_2008.html _ **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bernd Pauli's excellent abstract of Burke, part 4
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:52:46 +0200 From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Native Americans and Meteorites - Part 4 of 6 Jeanne wrote: I was also wondering if your book mentions anything about Native American usage of Canyon Diablo irons for tools, amulets or other spiritual items. BURKE J.G. (1986) Cosmic Debris - Meteorites in History, pp. 223-225: The Skidi Pawnee Indians, whose ancestral home was in east-central Nebraska along the Platte River, called meteorites the children of Tirawahat, their chief god. They wrapped objects believed to be meteorites in bundles that they considered sacred and that belonged either to individuals or to the tribe. A wonderful being named Pahokatawa came from the sky as a turtle-shaped stone, as legend predicted, and the tribe carried it with them in a bundle. When the warriors offered prayers and smoke to it before battle, they were successful, and there was no disease when the stone was in the camp. When they moved to Indian Territory (Oklahoma), they left the stone on a high hill in western Nebraska. Other Indian tribes had very similar beliefs about the Willamette, Wichita County, and Iron Creek meteoritic irons. We noted in chapter 6 that the Clackamas Indians of northwestern Oregon venerated the Willamette meteorite as Tomanowos, or Visitor from the Moon, and that before battles the warriors washed their faces and dipped their arrows in the water that collected in the hollows of the iron. The Kiowas, Comanches, and Apaches in Indian Territory venerated the Wichita County meteorite, whose original site was just across the Red River in north Texas. They believed that it came from the Great Spirit, and well-worn trails indicated frequent visits to it by these tribes. [Another stolen meteorite - E.P.] The Cree and Blackfeet Indians of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Montana thought that the Iron Creek meteorite had fallen from heaven, and venerated the iron as a medicine-stone. When white men removed it about 1870 to a mission house 60 miles distant, an old medicine man predicted that war, disease, and a dearth of buffalo would result. In only a few months famine, plague, and war did come to the Indians. [Another stolen meteorite - E.P.] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bernd Pauli's excellent abstract of Burke, part 2
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:52:09 +0200 From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Block address To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Native Americans and Meteorites - Part 2 of 6 Jeanne wrote: I was also wondering if your book mentions anything about Native American usage of Canyon Diablo irons for tools, amulets or other spiritual items. BURKE J.G. (1986) Cosmic Debris - Meteorites in History, pp. 223-225: The Hopewell Indian culture flourished from about 500 B.C. to A.D. 500. The Hopewells settled in villages and did primitive farming, and they expended substantial labor in constructing large burial mounds and related earthworks. Within several of these mounds in southern Ohio and central Illinois, archaeologists have found ornaments either made from or overlaid with meteoritic iron. A separate fragment weighing 767 grams, which was found in Mound No. 4 of the Turner group in the Little Miami Valley, Ohio, was a pallasite, and scientists have sinceidentified it as a transported piece of the Brenham pallasite. The site of this find is a thousand miles distant in Kiowa County, Kansas, which adds to the previous evidence that the Hopewell Indians carried on tradeover long distances. In addition, twenty-two beads that were found in Mound No. 9 of the Havana, Illinois, group were fashioned from a fine octahedrite, and the location of the main mass from which this material was obtained is not known. The presence of meteoritic iron objects in these burial mounds indicates that they were probably treasured possessions, but evidence that the objects were venerated is lacking. The occurrence along with them of artifacts made of copper and of shells, which were much more common material, supports the idea that they were personal belongings. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ber5nd Pauli's excellent abstract of Burke part 1
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:51:43 +0200 From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Native Americans and Meteorites - Part 1 of 6 Jeanne wrote: I was also wondering if your book mentions anything about Native American usage of Canyon Diablo irons for tools, amulets or other spiritual items. Hello Jeanne and List, Now, here is what I culled from BURKE: BURKE J.G. (1986) Cosmic Debris - Meteorites in History, pp. 223-225: Thus, there is now considerable doubt that the black stone of the Ka'ba is a meteorite. Whether or not the stones worshiped by the Greeks and Romans were meteorites is also a question, since none of these objects have survived the centuries. There are only the considerable number of legends. In contrast, archaeologists, explorers, and farmers have found about a dozen meteorites of fragments of meteorites in North America in circumstances which indicate that they were worshiped, venerated, or at least prized, but for most, no legend exists. Two of these are pallasites; the rest are irons. What is intriguing is that for most, the degree of corrosion gives evidence of a very long terrestrial age, meaning that the falls occurred thousands of years before Indian natives populated North America. The Morito iron, which the Indians of Chihuahua, Mexico, venerated in pre-Columbian times, probably fell within the last two thousand years, according to Buchwald, and may, therefore, have been witnessed. There are only a few clues as to why the meteorites were venerated, and one can only surmise why the natives believed that the objects in question had fallen from the sky. Best regards, Bernd Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bernd Pauli's excellent abstract of Burke, part 6
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:57:14 +0200 From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Native Americans and Meteorites - Part 6 of 6 Jeanne wrote: I was also wondering if your book mentions anything about Native American usage of Canyon Diablo irons for tools, amulets or other spiritual items. BURKE J.G. (1986) Cosmic Debris - Meteorites in History, pp. 231-232: The Hopewell Indians of the Ohio Valley fabricated knives, chisels, ear ornaments, and buttons by hammering or cold-working meteoritic material. Crushed fragments of olivine or interstices in the metal from which the olivine had been lost revealed that at least some of the artifacts had been fashioned from a pallasite. George Kunz in 1890 remarked that the meteoritic nuggets found there greatly resembled the Brenham pallasite, and although Brezina agreed with this opinion, other scientists did not. Recently, Wasson and Sedwick concluded from their analysis of the nickel and trace element composition that the Ohio material was virtually identical to the Brenham pallasite. The Indians at Havana, Illinois, fabricated the beads found there, which varied in diameter from three-sixteenths to five-eighths of an inch, from sheets or strips of meteoritic material that were fashioned into cylinders with a lapped seam on one side. However, Buchwald determined that the Indians must have intermittently annealed the strips during the cold-working process. The microstructure he observed indicated that the annealing temperature was about 650° C, and the slightly distorted appearance of the kamacite grains showed that cold-working followed the last annealing process. Best regards, Bernd What brought this about was my confusing the Casas Grandes ruins with the Casa Grande ruins. I still would not be surprised to find meteorites in Anasazi observatories. Also, a number of museums' meteorite collections are in violation of NAGPRA. The theft of the Navaho meteorites is particularly offensive to me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bernd Pauli's excellent abstract of Burke, part 3
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:52:26 +0200 From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Native Americans and Meteorites - Part 3 of 6 Jeanne wrote: I was also wondering if your book mentions anything about Native American usage of Canyon Diablo irons for tools, amulets or other spiritual items. BURKE J.G. (1986) Cosmic Debris - Meteorites in History, pp. 223-225: Other Indians besides the Hopewells buried meteorites in graves. The Oktibbeha County meteorite was in an Indian tumulus near Columbus, Mississippi. An Indian grave at Livingston, Montana, consisting of a pile of rocks over the remains, yielded a 16-kg iron meteorite in addition to stone tools, arrowheads, and pieces of pottery. The Camp Verde 61.5-kg iron is a transported piece of the Canyon Diablo meteorite. In 1915 G.A. Dawson opened a stone crypt in an ancient Indian building and found the meteorite inside wrapped in a feather cloth. Archaeologists have estimated the age of associated pottery at about 800 years. Similarly, maguey [Random House CD ROM: any of several plants of the genus Agave, of the agave family, esp. the cantala] cloths enveloped the 1,545-kg Casas Grandes meteoritic iron, which was found before 1867 in a multichambered tomb in northern Chihuahua, Mexico. Other chamberscontained human remains, which were wrapped in the same way. The Indians who buried these meteorites must have regarded them not only with reverence but also as possessing supernatural powers. What legends do exist support this view. The finder of the first mass of the Navajo, Arizona, meteorite, which was buried under rocks, reported in 1921 that the Navajo Indians had known about the piece for three centuries, but because it was sacred they had covered it with rocks to conceal it from white men and other tribes. Its weight of 1,500 kg probably prevented its transport. The second 683-kg mass, found five years later just 48 meters from the first, was also hidden under rocks, above which was a marker stone. [Sadly we have here more stolen meteorites - E.P.] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Field work on Campo de Cielo
Dear List, Here is some additional information for those that were unaware of the Cambridge Conference on meteorite impacts-Historic and Prehistoric myths and folklore. There is some very interesting reading on this website below. http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc102898.html Thank you Ed, I found the link for the Ainu myth on the internet. I appreciate your alerting me to this myth. Best Regards! Link to Cambridge Conference on Meteorite Impacts relating to human cultures. http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc102898.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dirk, all - Thanks for this valuable link. Since Benny's taken the Cambridge Conference over to global warming scepticism, impact researchers have lacked a global clearing house for immediate information exchange. If you think that I'm bitter about this, you'd be right - there's nothing like loosing a key tool along with a stroke. While the Brazilian team's English is certainly better than my Portugese, their translation is still rough. (I wish I were on a beach in Brazil sorting it out for them, instead of here in Illinois with a frozen car. By the way, your own work in English is formidable.) Masse has been published now, and I assume that his papers are already in your bibliography. I myself brought up the constellation jaguar here on the meteorite list about 5 years ago. The city of Cuzco is laid out in the shape of a jaguar, and this is not incidental. If I remember correctly Harold Osborne was working through Andean astronomical systems, though I have not seen his book yet. One important work to be done at Campo de Cielo will be to look for the products of neutron and proton release. The impact may not have been massive enough for that to have happened, but it will need to be checked someday. The absolute date for the Campo de Cielo impact is 17 February, 2325. It was observed by the Zoque (olmec) in Central America. We know this from the Maya inscriptions, and because the Thompson correlation has been confirmed since I published, as the absolute date for the Rio Cuarto impacts: 25 October, 2,360 BCE has been confirmed by tree ring studies. For an introduction, see my book Man and Impact in the Americas, pages 95-115. Why is this date important to us now? I still think that there are meteoritic streams which the Earth encounters every so often, though working through the orbital mechanics of this is well beyond me now. Elemental matches between different dated meteorite falls may be of great aide in sorting this out. I had intended to write up some Cherokee meteorite lore for Meteorite magazine, but was distracted by the attack on Hibben's observations. I also wanted to work through the Casa Grande materials, but was distracted from this as well. Once again, thanks for the link. By the way, did you ever see the Ainu impact account which I recovered? It should be in the Cambridge Conference Archives at the University of Georgia. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas PS - your font size showed up too big in firefox. Message: 7 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:45:32 -0800 (PST) From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites of Campo del Cielo:Impact on the Indian Culture To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear List, Below is an article about the Campo del Ceilo impact related to: Meteorites and Meteor Impact in Archaeology, Anthropology, Ethnography: Folklore, Language, and Culture as Evidence- A Bibliography in Contruction. ...if you wish to participate please contact me drtanukiATyahoo.com Page Created: 20JAN08 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites of Campo del Cielo:Impact on the Indian Culture
Dear List, Below is an article about the Campo del Ceilo impact related to: Meteorites and Meteor Impact in Archaeology, Anthropology, Ethnography: Folklore, Language, and Culture as Evidence- A Bibliography in Contruction. ...if you wish to participate please contact me drtanukiATyahoo.com Page Created: 20JAN08 (The article(s) below is/are under study for later synopysis.) Meteorites of Campo del Cielo: Impact on the indian culture whole article at (for now): http://meteoritesjapan.com/archaeo.aspx Those wishing to contribute to this bibliography please contact me. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Lunar meteorite find
Hi Mike, Way to go! Sonny -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 5:58 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] New Lunar meteorite find Ok ok, after about 100 private request for photos of the new Lunar meteorites I found less than two weeks ago, I have uploaded photos of one of them. I was wanting to wait till the Tucson show, but what the heck, photos do not do this stone justice, so those who come can hold it before it is cut. This is certainly one of my best meteorite finds ever. http://meteoriteguy.com/lunarjan2008a.JPG http://meteoriteguy.com/lunarjan2008b.JPG By the way, what do you all think it will be? I am sure it is a gabbro melt, the clasts are all yellow, the matrix nothing but black glass. This will likely be one of the most beautiful lunar meteorites out there when cut. It is for sale intact should someone want a comple Lunar meteorite all to themselves. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites of Campo del Cielo:Impact on the IndianCulture
Thanks Dirk. I'm certain I'm not the only meteorite enthusiast who's wondered if the name had its origin in the paleo oral traditions from spectators 5000 ya. The paper is well balanced and offers many interpretations. A conclusion will probably never be reached as time continues to march away from the event, but a reasoned approach is all that can hoped for. On the other hand, speculation does still offer those, like myself who lean toward a kernel of truth in myth and oral traditions, room to hope. After all, my ancestors were pretty cool dudes. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites of Campo del Cielo:Impact on the IndianCulture Dear List, Below is an article about the Campo del Ceilo impact related to: Meteorites and Meteor Impact in Archaeology, Anthropology, Ethnography: Folklore, Language, and Culture as Evidence- A Bibliography in Contruction. ...if you wish to participate please contact me drtanukiATyahoo.com Page Created: 20JAN08 (The article(s) below is/are under study for later synopysis.) Meteorites of Campo del Cielo: Impact on the indian culture whole article at (for now): http://meteoritesjapan.com/archaeo.aspx Those wishing to contribute to this bibliography please contact me. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 18, 2008
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[meteorite-list] Spaceguard UK Campaign for NEO Telescope
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/7193928.stm Asteroid telescope's fitting bill BBC News January 17, 2008 An observatory which monitors the potential threat to earth from asteroids has launched a campaign to raise money to install a new telescope. The Spaceguard Centre in Knighton, Powys, has been offered the telescope free of charge by the Institute of Astronomy in Cambridge. It would mean the centre could hunt for near earth objects as well as tracking them once they have been discovered. The cost to install and house the device has been estimated at £54,000. Known as a Schmidt camera, it has a wide field of view and takes photographs of the sky, said Jay Tate, who runs the centre. Mr Tate said images were compared to see what had moved and potential comets or asteroids could then be identified. He explained why the telescope had been offered to the centre. They can't use it in Cambridge anymore because of the light pollution, he said. This part of Wales has very dark skies so that wouldn't be a problem. Nasa searches for near earth objects and it funds six telescopes in the US and two in Italy and Australia, but no-one else is doing this sort of work in the UK. It would mean we could search for objects as well as tracking them once they have been identified. The Spaceguard Centre has a robotic telescope which is able to track asteroids and it also has an observatory which attracts school parties and tourists. Mr Tate added that no funding was available from the Welsh Assembly Government, the UK government or the National Lottery to help pay towards installing the new telescope. I am now turning my attention to private sponsorship, he said. Knighton's county councillor Ken Harris said the telescope would be a unique tourist attraction. It would be great if someone or an organisation could help the Spaceguard Centre fund this expansion, he added. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Monnig Meteorite Gallery in Texas Receive Large Slice of Mundrabilla Meteorite
http://media.www.tcudailyskiff.com/media/storage/paper792/news/2008/01/16/News/Monnig.Meteorite.Gallery.Receives.A.Slice.Of.Mundrabilla-3153001.shtml Monnig Meteorite Gallery receives a slice of Mundrabilla Daily Skiff January 16, 2008 The largest iron meteorite slice in the country is coming to Monnig Meteorite Gallery http://www.monnigmuseum.tcu.edu/. The 45-ton meteorite, Mundrabilla, is one of seven slices cut by a dealer in Frankfurt, Germany, and is named after the town in western Australia where it was found, curator Arthur Ehlmann said. The Mundrabilla slice, which measures about 3 feet wide and 2 feet long , is the only slice that will be displayed in the United States, Ehlmann said. Two slices will be returned to Australia, and the other four will be displayed in museums around Europe, Ehlmann said. I think that it is one of the most exquisite pieces we have in the collection, said Teresa Moss, director of the gallery. It's one of my favorites. Ehlmann said he paid nothing for the slice. I had something he wanted, and he had something I wanted, Ehlmann said. The dealer chose 15 duplicate meteorites from the collection to trade for the slice, Ehlmann said. The staff said the slice will join the permanent collection and hope it will be on display within a few weeks. The Monnig Meteorite Gallery http://www.monnigmuseum.tcu.edu/, located in the Sid Richardson Building http://www.maps.tcu.edu/4d.asp, opened its doors to the public in 2003, according to its Web site. Moss said the gallery is a popular field trip site for many local schools and serves as a lab for geology, physics and environment sciences. Moss said she hopes TCU students from all fields would come visit the museum to see the Mundrabilla slice, as well as the rest of the collection. There is not much else like it, Moss said. Come by and touch a piece of the core of a meteorite. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bernd Pauli's excellent abstract of Burke, part 5
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:53:03 +0200 From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Native Americans and Meteorites - Part 5 of 6 Jeanne wrote: I was also wondering if your book mentions anything about Native American usage of Canyon Diablo irons for tools, amulets or other spiritual items. BURKE J.G. (1986) Cosmic Debris - Meteorites in History, pp. 223-225: Various North American Indian tribes, inhabiting an area well over a million square miles, appear to have had strikingly similar beliefs about meteorites and to have carried out similar rites or practices. Despite antagonism or enmity between tribes, it seems that they communicated tales and legends about these strange objects, so that a common folklore developed around meteorites. Given this circumstance, knowledge of any observed fall and a description of the physical condition of the resulting object would have been rapidly broadcast. Peary was convinced that the Eskimos of Melville Bay observed the fall of the Cape York meteorite, else how could these rude natives have obtained any idea of their heavenly origin, and why should not the brown masses have been to them simply weeaksue (rocks) like all the others in their country? But such is not necessarily the case. The Plains Indians of the North American West and Southwest knew their terrain, and heavy metal masses or even blackened stones are not common features of the countryside. Indians might well have attributed a heavenly origin to such rare objects when they came upon them. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Lunar meteorite find
That smile is as big as the rock! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Lunar meteorite find Ok ok, after about 100 private request for photos of the new Lunar meteorites I found less than two weeks ago, I have uploaded photos of one of them. I was wanting to wait till the Tucson show, but what the heck, photos do not do this stone justice, so those who come can hold it before it is cut. This is certainly one of my best meteorite finds ever. http://meteoriteguy.com/lunarjan2008a.JPG http://meteoriteguy.com/lunarjan2008b.JPG By the way, what do you all think it will be? I am sure it is a gabbro melt, the clasts are all yellow, the matrix nothing but black glass. This will likely be one of the most beautiful lunar meteorites out there when cut. It is for sale intact should someone want a comple Lunar meteorite all to themselves. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thumrayt 001 Pallasite is now official
Mike I have loaded Meteorite Database in my Google Earth and I have entered coordinates of this new pallasite (17° 35'N, 54° 21'E). But GE show that find place is located in center of nowhere, close to small town in a higly sandy area that looks like dry river bed. Its strange, maybe they make any error in the coordinates ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Lunar meteorite find
Actually it was a piece of bird or lizard crap that I knocked off of the meteorite. We found many meteorites with poop on them. Maybe they like the fact that the meteorites are different color than everything else, or they hold heat after dark. Michael Farmer --- tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the first photo, it looked like there was an additional chip off the right side in situ. Was that more lunar meteorite, or was that just wishful thinking? Tracy Latimer Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:58:11 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New Lunar meteorite find Ok ok, after about 100 private request for photos of the new Lunar meteorites I found less than two weeks ago, I have uploaded photos of one of them. I was wanting to wait till the Tucson show, but what the heck, photos do not do this stone justice, so those who come can hold it before it is cut. This is certainly one of my best meteorite finds ever. http://meteoriteguy.com/lunarjan2008a.JPG http://meteoriteguy.com/lunarjan2008b.JPG By the way, what do you all think it will be? I am sure it is a gabbro melt, the clasts are all yellow, the matrix nothing but black glass. This will likely be one of the most beautiful lunar meteorites out there when cut. It is for sale intact should someone want a comple Lunar meteorite all to themselves. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Field work on Campo de Cielo
Hi Dirk, all - Thanks for this valuable link. Since Benny's taken the Cambridge Conference over to global warming scepticism, impact researchers have lacked a global clearing house for immediate information exchange. If you think that I'm bitter about this, you'd be right - there's nothing like loosing a key tool along with a stroke. While the Brazilian team's English is certainly better than my Portugese, their translation is still rough. (I wish I were on a beach in Brazil sorting it out for them, instead of here in Illinois with a frozen car. By the way, your own work in English is formidable.) Masse has been published now, and I assume that his papers are already in your bibliography. I myself brought up the constellation jaguar here on the meteorite list about 5 years ago. The city of Cuzco is laid out in the shape of a jaguar, and this is not incidental. If I remember correctly Harold Osborne was working through Andean astronomical systems, though I have not seen his book yet. One important work to be done at Campo de Cielo will be to look for the products of neutron and proton release. The impact may not have been massive enough for that to have happened, but it will need to be checked someday. The absolute date for the Campo de Cielo impact is 17 February, 2325. It was observed by the Zoque (olmec) in Central America. We know this from the Maya inscriptions, and because the Thompson correlation has been confirmed since I published, as the absolute date for the Rio Cuarto impacts: 25 October, 2,360 BCE has been confirmed by tree ring studies. For an introduction, see my book Man and Impact in the Americas, pages 95-115. Why is this date important to us now? I still think that there are meteoritic streams which the Earth encounters every so often, though working through the orbital mechanics of this is well beyond me now. Elemental matches between different dated meteorite falls may be of great aide in sorting this out. I had intended to write up some Cherokee meteorite lore for Meteorite magazine, but was distracted by the attack on Hibben's observations. I also wanted to work through the Casa Grande materials, but was distracted from this as well. Once again, thanks for the link. By the way, did you ever see the Ainu impact account which I recovered? It should be in the Cambridge Conference Archives at the University of Georgia. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas PS - your font size showed up too big in firefox. Message: 7 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:45:32 -0800 (PST) From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites of Campo del Cielo:Impact on the Indian Culture To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear List, Below is an article about the Campo del Ceilo impact related to: Meteorites and Meteor Impact in Archaeology, Anthropology, Ethnography: Folklore, Language, and Culture as Evidence- A Bibliography in Contruction. ...if you wish to participate please contact me drtanukiATyahoo.com Page Created: 20JAN08 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal
To those who ship to Italy and lose items, do you list exactly what's in the package on the customs label? Ron ... its many strange many others from USA ship to Italy and arrive all with no problems and you and other few no Matteo Francesco, I am just tired of losing my money. I work hard to acquire my meteorites, and doing hundreds of ebay auctions a month is a full-time job. To see 40 or 50% of items I send to Italy continually vanish is just no longer acceptable. I do not know or care where the problem it, but it is clearly on the Italian side. I am not the only one with the problem, it has been ongoing for years. I am simply no longer willing to throw my meteorites and money away by risking shipment to Italy if the meteorites are paid for via paypal. Michael Farmer --- Moser Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All! As you know I'm Italian so I think I have the right to tell you my 2cents! 1) Naples and the rubbish (OT): Maybe most of you don't know nothing about the rubbish situations in Naples and the near cities. This is the situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rud-B1IDo-Qfeature=related http://images.google.it/images?gbv=2svnum=10hl=itclient=firefox-arls=org mozilla%3Ait%3Aofficialq=napoli+immondiziabtnG=Cerca+immagini About 130.000ton of the rubbish on the streets!!! The fault is the Mafia, corrupt politicians and a lot of other people interested in the rubbish businnes. It's very humiliating that this is the image that the other countries has about Italy and about Italian people, so I write this e-mail. 2) Italian situation (OT): As you know Italy is a long and thin country, long about 1000km from north to south. You have to know that there are HUGE and HUGE difference beetween the northern regions and the southern regions. Many people who live in the northern Italy think that the south Italy looks like Third World, like the poorest and worst African Country. Who live in south Italy look at the northern like a paradise on earth! A lot of people leave the cities in south for search a better life and work in north. I'm so angry when someone from the other country think that the Mafia is present in Italy!!! Mafia is only in the south and biggest problem of my country comes also from the southern regions! Billions of Euro every year leave the northern regions for the south Italy, for try to resolve the dramatic situation, but all this money goes in the pocket of the Mafia :( When the political class will change I hope a lot of problems will disappear! So please when you insult Italy and the Italian People for Mafia and organized crime, remember that in Italy there are 2 different Italy!!! A rich and beatiful north and a poor and really problematic south!! 3) POSTAL PROBLEM: I'm so sorry to read that the post from USA to Europe (and specially to Italy) go lost in a lot of cases! In the last 2years I have sent and received a lot of packages, about 100. Only one letter sent to Germany went lost... At now the person how sent something to me have never lost anything, I have had some trouble only with a couple of letters... Actually I'm waiting for 5 meteorites...I hope they are on the way :D !!! I don't know the cause of these lost and for the huge delay, i think the situation has worsened in the last few month. I live in a little city, about 100.000 inhabitants, in august there were about 25ton of post in local postal office, nobody knows what really happened and why! 6 month ago a package took about 15days for the trip from USA, now I know I have to wait 4-6weeks. But for example Greg Hupe has sent me a box on 29.15 and it was arrived on 14.01! Some month ago I send a meteorite to Boston and the trip took just 8days with the normal post, just 0.80â,¬ of shipping cost! The trip of a letter from Germany took 3weeks... I don't think there is corruption of the postal service...I think it's hard to say where is the problem. I hope in the future the problem disappear so we (European and Italian) could buy from the great USA dealer without problem! Ciao Francesco Moser __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Crater chains
Hi all - Unless someone has a disintegration mechanism for stoney, stoney iron, and iron impactors before they hit - Then one hypothesis would be that any time you have a crater chain, it would be from cometary impact. Are there studies of crater chains on Earth which indicate what hit? E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal
Hi Mike! I agree with you at 100%, nobody it's happy when loose money and meteorite. I write my e-mail just for inform all the meteorite people interested in the topic about what we are telling. Also I write my e-mail beacause I'm boried to listen to the foreign people about the Italy like the worst place on Earth! Ciao Francesco Moser - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Moser Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ZZ ML Meteorite-List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal Francesco, I am just tired of losing my money. I work hard to acquire my meteorites, and doing hundreds of ebay auctions a month is a full-time job. To see 40 or 50% of items I send to Italy continually vanish is just no longer acceptable. I do not know or care where the problem it, but it is clearly on the Italian side. I am not the only one with the problem, it has been ongoing for years. I am simply no longer willing to throw my meteorites and money away by risking shipment to Italy if the meteorites are paid for via paypal. Michael Farmer --- Moser Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All! As you know I'm Italian so I think I have the right to tell you my 2cents! 1) Naples and the rubbish (OT): Maybe most of you don't know nothing about the rubbish situations in Naples and the near cities. This is the situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rud-B1IDo-Qfeature=related http://images.google.it/images?gbv=2svnum=10hl=itclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Ait%3Aofficialq=napoli+immondiziabtnG=Cerca+immagini About 130.000ton of the rubbish on the streets!!! The fault is the Mafia, corrupt politicians and a lot of other people interested in the rubbish businnes. It's very humiliating that this is the image that the other countries has about Italy and about Italian people, so I write this e-mail. 2) Italian situation (OT): As you know Italy is a long and thin country, long about 1000km from north to south. You have to know that there are HUGE and HUGE difference beetween the northern regions and the southern regions. Many people who live in the northern Italy think that the south Italy looks like Third World, like the poorest and worst African Country. Who live in south Italy look at the northern like a paradise on earth! A lot of people leave the cities in south for search a better life and work in north. I'm so angry when someone from the other country think that the Mafia is present in Italy!!! Mafia is only in the south and biggest problem of my country comes also from the southern regions! Billions of Euro every year leave the northern regions for the south Italy, for try to resolve the dramatic situation, but all this money goes in the pocket of the Mafia :( When the political class will change I hope a lot of problems will disappear! So please when you insult Italy and the Italian People for Mafia and organized crime, remember that in Italy there are 2 different Italy!!! A rich and beatiful north and a poor and really problematic south!! 3) POSTAL PROBLEM: I'm so sorry to read that the post from USA to Europe (and specially to Italy) go lost in a lot of cases! In the last 2years I have sent and received a lot of packages, about 100. Only one letter sent to Germany went lost... At now the person how sent something to me have never lost anything, I have had some trouble only with a couple of letters... Actually I'm waiting for 5 meteorites...I hope they are on the way :D !!! I don't know the cause of these lost and for the huge delay, i think the situation has worsened in the last few month. I live in a little city, about 100.000 inhabitants, in august there were about 25ton of post in local postal office, nobody knows what really happened and why! 6 month ago a package took about 15days for the trip from USA, now I know I have to wait 4-6weeks. But for example Greg Hupe has sent me a box on 29.15 and it was arrived on 14.01! Some month ago I send a meteorite to Boston and the trip took just 8days with the normal post, just 0.80â,¬ of shipping cost! The trip of a letter from Germany took 3weeks... I don't think there is corruption of the postal service...I think it's hard to say where is the problem. I hope in the future the problem disappear so we (European and Italian) could buy from the great USA dealer without problem! Ciao Francesco Moser __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Lunar meteorite find
Nice, When you enlarge the photo you can see all the clasts. What does it weigh ? - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Lunar meteorite find Ok ok, after about 100 private request for photos of the new Lunar meteorites I found less than two weeks ago, I have uploaded photos of one of them. I was wanting to wait till the Tucson show, but what the heck, photos do not do this stone justice, so those who come can hold it before it is cut. This is certainly one of my best meteorite finds ever. http://meteoriteguy.com/lunarjan2008a.JPG http://meteoriteguy.com/lunarjan2008b.JPG By the way, what do you all think it will be? I am sure it is a gabbro melt, the clasts are all yellow, the matrix nothing but black glass. This will likely be one of the most beautiful lunar meteorites out there when cut. It is for sale intact should someone want a comple Lunar meteorite all to themselves. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Help- I'm looking for a particular article - Got it , Thanks everyone!
Thanks everyone - I got it! Several people had the aticle and offered to get it to me. Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: January 14-18, 2008
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES January 14-18, 2008 o End of Summer (Released 14 January 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080114a o Reynolds Crater (Released 15 January 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080115a o Russell Crater (Released 16 January 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080116a o Wirtz Crater (Released 17 January 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080118a o Hellas Dunes (Released 18 January 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080114a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Lunar meteorite find
Ok ok, after about 100 private request for photos of the new Lunar meteorites I found less than two weeks ago, I have uploaded photos of one of them. I was wanting to wait till the Tucson show, but what the heck, photos do not do this stone justice, so those who come can hold it before it is cut. This is certainly one of my best meteorite finds ever. http://meteoriteguy.com/lunarjan2008a.JPG http://meteoriteguy.com/lunarjan2008b.JPG By the way, what do you all think it will be? I am sure it is a gabbro melt, the clasts are all yellow, the matrix nothing but black glass. This will likely be one of the most beautiful lunar meteorites out there when cut. It is for sale intact should someone want a comple Lunar meteorite all to themselves. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Lunar meteorite find
Really cool rock Mike!! Congratulations! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Back to real meteorite subjects - iron inclusions
Hi all Just to bring up again a meteorite subject, as we had last week the iron crystal in the new Mali meteorite, here's another iron concentration. It is a metal inclusion in my collection specimen of the Chico impact melt meteorite. This one is really looking cool. www.austromet.com/CollnPics/Chico_5.768g_A.jpg and a close up pic www.austromet.com/CollnPics/Chico_5.768g_B.jpg any comments ? Bernd, Andi, Harald... ? Cheers, Christian I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc website: www.austromet.com Ing. Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Back to real meteorite subjects - iron inclusions ...crystals
Just to jump on the me too bandwagon, I have a clean pentagonal-shaped cavity in a small Gao I got from Al Lang 8 years ago. The cavity is at least 10mm across and as deep. I was hoping I could keep going through Al's stash to find the missing crystal but nada. The shape is distinctly sided as in a polyhedral crystal Given a slight rounding of one side of the cavity this could have been a hexagonal shaped missing object. At the time I suspected either an olivine or iron crystal but discounted both as unlikely given this was a common chondrite. Given these reports now it might worth revisiting. Perhaps someone would help me make a mold of the hold to see what the crystal faces really looked like. I'll photograph it once it is unpacked. Perhaps large complete crystals do find their way into chondrites--however theoretically any large crystal would have grown long after the chondrite accreted. Else, there were some large crystals that survived the last solar system intact as the new solar system cranked up only to be cocooned within common chondrites. If the later scenario were true then these iron crystals should be as old or older than CAIs. Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
