Re: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Art
Hi Mike, I agree. High quality prints would be sweet. There would be a market for them, I'm sure. I'd love to hang a few around my house. (Sorry for posting this twice, but I forgot to use plain text on my first try.) Greg Lindh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:34:12 + Subject: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Art Personally, I would love to own some high-quality photo-lithographs or gelatin prints of his work (hint hint) and would be willing to pay a premium for them. I believe there would be a market for good meteoritic art. It is the one thing (other than specimens themselves) that is not readily available. There you go Tom... hand signed/numbered/limited edition/framed lithos. I'll buy 'em. Best, Mike Bandli -- Original message -- From: JKGwilliam I never cease to be amazed at not only Tom Phillips photographic talents but his artistic ones as well. I need some prints of some of his work to hang in my house. Most meteorite related wall art is restricted to my office but in this case I would hang them anywhere in the house. Simply amazing. Best, John Gwilliam At 04:35 AM 4/15/2008, Michael Johnson wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_15_2008.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know?
.. approx .. 4,566,500,000 years old .. and it still amazes me that number ! It's always fun to blow peoples mind who are handling meteorites for the first time with : These rocks are [old]... 4,566,500,000 years Or 60,886,666 Human Lifetimes or 237,458,000,000 weeks or 1,662,206,000,000 Days or 39,892,944,000,000 Hours or 2,393,576,640,000,000 Minutes or 143,614,598,400,000,000 Seconds! Best Mark F. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2008 11:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know? Hi L.A., Listees, Just the white powdery CAI material which represents a small fraction of Allende is the old snuff ... There are probably other carbonaceous chondrites of types similar to the age of Allende from the recent vast harvest of the deserts ... but I think scientists have a hard time splitting the hairs of the first couple of million years when they are just dealing with excess concretes that never were cleaned during the construction of this whole cool neighborhood of the Sun we live in. Bjurbole is a standard and older than the hills of the Solar Sytem, as well ... at least a standard to judge others: the oldies must all be aroound 4,566,500,000 years old. or maybe a million more. Telling the age of a meteorite is kind of challenging since they are heterogenious. For example, a person is born and grows based on an initial splitting of some strands of DNA. But if someone analyzed the ends of your hair, the might find you older than all the men on the list except Bob Haag and Ken (?), and Michael C. So how many inclusions floating out there in places no one expects, I couldn't guess ... that are older than old. Then, several listmembers may be older and know better, Best wishes and nice to see you posting, Doug -Original Message- From: Leigh Anne DelRay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 2:22 am Subject: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know? Dear Listees~ I was wondering if anyone knows what the oldest (as in most primitive) meteorite is? I was thinking it was Allende, b/c it is believed to be of extra-solar origin, but is there another one that is more primitive than that? Is there one that is older than our own solar system? Thanks for letting me pick your brains. ~L.A. DelRay _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD-Zagami fire sale 2
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/museum_gallery.html http://www.mhmeteorites.com/museum_gallery.html fixed that link for ya Cheers, Pete To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:06:40 + Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Zagami fire sale Need to move my 9.4g crusted Zagami with black shock vein to make room for other material. This could be cut with a wire saw into 4 slices. Pics here: http:///www.mhmeteorites.com/museum_gallery.html Email offers off-list. Matt Morgan -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Turn every day into $1000. Learn more at SignInAndWIN.ca http://g.msn.ca/ca55/213 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] another new argentina fall??
Hi list.I talked to BOB HAAG on monday and he told me there was a second fall last week.I hear it is a stone meteorite fall.Anymore news on this?We heard about the 1st fall from 2 months ago.So anymore news on this 2nd fall will be nice to know. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! http://chicagometeorites.net/ Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 16, 2008
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[meteorite-list] New Meteorite Crater Discovered in New Mexico
There is a paper, which is in press about the discovery of a new meteorite structure in New Mexico. It is: Fackelman, S. P. J. R. Morrow, C. Koeberl, T. H. McElvain, in press, Shatter cone and microscopic shock-alteration evidence for a post- Paleoproterozoic terrestrial impact structure near Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA. Earth and Planetary Science Letters, Accepted Manuscript, Available online 7 April 2008, doi:10.1016/j.epsl.2008.03.033 ( http://dx.doi.org) The abstract reads in part: “Field mapping, morphologic description, and petrographic analysis of recently discovered shatter cones within Paleoproterozoic crystalline rocks exposed over an area 5 km2, located ~8 km northeast of Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA, give robust evidence of a previously unrecognized terrestrial impact structure. Herein, we provisionally name this the “Santa Fe impact structure”. The shatter cones are composed of nested sub-conical, curviplanar, and flat joint surfaces bearing abundant curved and bifurcating striations that strongly resemble the multiply striated joint surfaces (MSJS) documented from shatter cones at Vredefort dome.” and “The PFs and PDFs are dominated by a basal (0001) crystallographic orientation, which indicate a peak shock pressure of ~5–10 GPa that is consistent with shatter cone formation.” Yours, Paul H. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD-Zagami fire sale 2
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:04:11 -0400, you wrote: http://www.mhmeteorites.com/museum_gallery.html fixed that link for ya Maybe a commercial for the fire sale would help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ooP6D13rA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Astroid Musical Chairs
Hi Listees, http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080415/sc_afp/spaceastronomygermany_080415214429 This is a refreshing tale of armorget'um, astroids and satlites - about hope and the creativity of young minds! [Even Jason might be over the hill ... is there a 9-year old on the list who can tell the boffins at Yahoo News how to spell Astroid - or congratulate the kid for already writing bilingual scientific papers ;) (Astroid spelling at end of article as of 17:30 UT).] German schoolboy, 13, corrects NASA's asteroid figures: paper Tue Apr 15, 5:44 PM ET BERLIN (AFP) - A 13-year-old German schoolboy corrected NASA's estimates on the chances of an asteroid colliding with Earth, a German newspaper reported Tuesday, after spotting the boffins had miscalculated. Nico Marquardt used telescopic findings from the Institute of Astrophysics in Potsdam (AIP) to calculate that there was a 1 in 450 chance that the Apophis asteroid will collide with Earth, the Potsdamer Neuerster Nachrichten reported. NASA had previously estimated the chances at only 1 in 45,000 but told its sister organisation, the European Space Agency (ESA), that the young whizzkid had got it right. The schoolboy took into consideration the risk of Apophis running into one or more of the 40,000 satellites orbiting Earth during its path close to the planet on April 13 2029. Those satellites travel at 3.07 kilometres a second (1.9 miles), at up to 35,880 kilometres above earth -- and the Apophis asteroid will pass by earth at a distance of 32,500 kilometres. If the asteroid strikes a satellite in 2029, that will change its trajectory making it hit earth on its next orbit in 2036. Both NASA and Marquardt agree that if the asteroid does collide with earth, it will create a ball of iron and iridium 320 metres (1049 feet) wide and weighing 200 billion tonnes, which will crash into the Atlantic Ocean. The shockwaves from that would create huge tsunami waves, destroying both coastlines and inland areas, whilst creating a thick cloud of dust that would darken the skies indefinitely. The 13-year old made his discovery as part of a regional science competition for which he submitted a project entitled: Apophis -- The Killer Astroid. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astroid Musical Chairs - No!
All twaddle!! Well done the media (yet again). http://cosmos4u.blogspot.com/2008/04/apophis-risk-not-increased-science-fair.html Jay Tate The Spaceguard Centre - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Astroid Musical Chairs Hi Listees, http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080415/sc_afp/spaceastronomygermany_080415214429 This is a refreshing tale of armorget'um, astroids and satlites - about hope and the creativity of young minds! [Even Jason might be over the hill ... is there a 9-year old on the list who can tell the boffins at Yahoo News how to spell Astroid - or congratulate the kid for already writing bilingual scientific papers ;) (Astroid spelling at end of article as of 17:30 UT).] German schoolboy, 13, corrects NASA's asteroid figures: paper Tue Apr 15, 5:44 PM ET BERLIN (AFP) - A 13-year-old German schoolboy corrected NASA's estimates on the chances of an asteroid colliding with Earth, a German newspaper reported Tuesday, after spotting the boffins had miscalculated. Nico Marquardt used telescopic findings from the Institute of Astrophysics in Potsdam (AIP) to calculate that there was a 1 in 450 chance that the Apophis asteroid will collide with Earth, the Potsdamer Neuerster Nachrichten reported. NASA had previously estimated the chances at only 1 in 45,000 but told its sister organisation, the European Space Agency (ESA), that the young whizzkid had got it right. The schoolboy took into consideration the risk of Apophis running into one or more of the 40,000 satellites orbiting Earth during its path close to the planet on April 13 2029. Those satellites travel at 3.07 kilometres a second (1.9 miles), at up to 35,880 kilometres above earth -- and the Apophis asteroid will pass by earth at a distance of 32,500 kilometres. If the asteroid strikes a satellite in 2029, that will change its trajectory making it hit earth on its next orbit in 2036. Both NASA and Marquardt agree that if the asteroid does collide with earth, it will create a ball of iron and iridium 320 metres (1049 feet) wide and weighing 200 billion tonnes, which will crash into the Atlantic Ocean. The shockwaves from that would create huge tsunami waves, destroying both coastlines and inland areas, whilst creating a thick cloud of dust that would darken the skies indefinitely. The 13-year old made his discovery as part of a regional science competition for which he submitted a project entitled: Apophis -- The Killer Astroid. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 15/04/2008 18:10 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] need scale
can anyone recommend a scale from, say, 0-200 to maybe 500 grams in 10th's? need a model # + a plce to get it online. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holes in the Earth: 170 and Counting
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080414-mm-earth-holes.html Holes in the Earth: 170 and Counting By Clara Moskowitz Staff Writer posted: 14 April 2008 07:00 am ET When a meteorite struck Earth before humans were around to watch, did it still make a splat? Although it's too late to witness the many pummelings our planet has already seen, scientists are still finding the humongous holes left here by long ago impacting space rocks. At last count, there were more than 170 known impact craters on our planet, according to the Earth Impact Database maintained by the University of New Brunswick in Canada. These puncture wounds are littered over every continent, as well as the seafloor. There would be countless more if it weren't for Earth's constant remodeling. Plates shift, mountains form, volcanoes erupt and erosion washes over the planet's surface, continually hiding the evidence of most craters. If there was no erosion or tectonic activity, we would look like the moon, said Lucy Thompson, a geologist at the University of New Brunswick. The moon is just pockmarked with impact craters. Puzzling differences Scientists think the Earth was bombarded more heavily earlier in the solar system's history, when planets were still forming and bushels of debris were flying madly around. Luckily for us, things have quieted down lately and meteorite impacts are few and far between. One of Earth's most recently-formed holes is Arizona's Barringer Meteor Crater, created around 50,000 years ago. Though this crater, one of the most famous, awes tourists with its roughly three-quarters of a mile (1.2 km) diameter, it is considered quite dinky on the geological scale. That's a nice, simple bowl-shaped crater, Thompson said. Geologists get really excited about complex craters, such as Manicouagan in Quebec, Canada. Scientists estimate this crater is more than a hundred times wider than Barringer, and was made more than 200 million years ago. With large impacts, you have complex craters forming, and instead of having a nice bowl shape, you get a central uplift, Thompson told SPACE.com. It's like if you drop something in water, you get rings forming, but the middle comes back up. Scientists want to understand how the rock achieves this without actually becoming liquid or shattering into pieces. Big and bad A major heavyweight is South Africa's Vredefort crater, which at 186 miles (300 km) wide, is said to be Earth's largest verified impact crater. At more than 2 billion years old, it is also one of the most ancient. Other contenders are the 155 mile-wide (250 km-wide) Sudbury Basin in Ontario, Canada, and the roughly 110 mile-wide (180 km-wide) Chicxulub crater, half submerged off the coast of the Yucatán Peninsula in Mexico. The latter can claim fame as the landing spot of the asteroid that purportedly killed the dinosaurs, along with most life on Earth. If it weren't for erosion and other geological processes that erase evidence of craters, there would likely be hundreds of thousands of impact craters on the Earth, Thompson said. Scientists are still discovering new craters, especially in remote areas and on the seafloor where evidence of them is easily missed. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc
Hey Mike, Thanks for causing alot of problems for me. Did it ever occur to you that I wasnt willing to give you my sources name because I was in the process of trying to obtain more meteorites, and I didnt need to compete with everybody else, including you ? Why dont you try asking Mike Farmer or the Hupes for the Moroccan names and phone #s. Good luck. Everything I ever sold you was up front nothing to hide. Now you come along with this. Why dont you send it to an accredited lab and see what they have to say instead of attacking me. Thats also pretty lame of you seeing as I told you that Im dealing with a parent who is in the hospital with blood clots in her lungs and I would deal with you later. Just so everyone should know. I have asked atleast one other dealer ( who sells many rare items on ebay ) for information on their supplier or provenance to just have my numerous inquiries go unanswered. So, why am I being singled out ? As far as jackass MCcartney Taylor , I gave the idiot planetary and achondrite for his chondrite and the moron sued me. Oh, he lied about not receiving my meteorites in court. How do you like that IMCA ? Mike, dont bother emailing back. I dont have anything else to say to you. Email the list though, they love this shit. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Howardite Sale
I am offering the complete 860g main mass of NWA2853 for one low price . This week only $ 5,100 plus shipping It will nrver be lower than this !! From my home page is the write up done by Ted Bunch seen below . Any questions please Email me off the list .Thank you Ken Regelman / ARN Northwest Africa 2853 complete main mass of 860g $15,999 Found 2005 Howardite A 860g and a 140g fully crusted and lightly weathered stone were purchased in Erfoud, Morocco. Description and classification (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): dark gray, highly shocked howardite with a heterogeneous distribution of diogenite fragments that tend to be large (2 to 9 mm in dia.). Diogenite modes for 3 thin sections give 0, 9, and 15 vol. %. Eucrites have a fine- to coarse-grained size range and consist of subophitic and cumulate textured basalts. Host pigeonite, Fs45.3-51.7Wo5.8-9.0, FeO/MnO = 29-33; exsolution lamellae, Fs33.6- 39.4Wo19.0-25.4. Diogenite orthopyroxenes, Fs22.6-25.6 Wo1.8-2.3, FeO/MnO = 24-27; plagioclase, An89-94.3. Most pyroxenes recrystallized into small, polygonal aggregates; plagioclase melted, although original grain boundaries are preserved (shocked beyond maskelynite stability range), and crystallized into fine-grained fibrous to radiating textures. Specimens: type sample, 22 g, NAU; main mass, Regelman. Kenneth Regelman http://www.meteorites4sale.net/ WA0FAA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc
Hello Bob, McCartney, All, I think that the trouble, Bob, is that McCartney has been supplying us with more details than you have, and they do point towards your guilt. Apparently there was a case filed against you, and you knew about it - but didn't respond to the court order to argue against it. That makes you sound pretty guilty... To be perfectly frank, I, for one, would like to know the details of the trade and come to my own conclusions; would both of you be willing to disclose the details of the trade and following disagreement? Who sent who what meteorite, how much did each specimen weigh, etc.? If you do want to prove your innocence, that would be the best way, Bob. And if you, McCartney, do want to prove your case to the rest of us, this would be a good time to do so as well. I'm not entirely sure if anyone else is interested in hearing the rest of this, but I think that the list is as good a forum as any for proving a dealer's innocence or guilt in a situation, whatever the case may be, because this does have an effect on the rest of us, collectors and dealers alike. I, for one, wouldn't want to deal with a dishonest dealer, whatever the case may be. Regards, Jason On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Mike, Thanks for causing alot of problems for me. Did it ever occur to you that I wasnt willing to give you my sources name because I was in the process of trying to obtain more meteorites, and I didnt need to compete with everybody else, including you ? Why dont you try asking Mike Farmer or the Hupes for the Moroccan names and phone #s. Good luck. Everything I ever sold you was up front nothing to hide. Now you come along with this. Why dont you send it to an accredited lab and see what they have to say instead of attacking me. Thats also pretty lame of you seeing as I told you that Im dealing with a parent who is in the hospital with blood clots in her lungs and I would deal with you later. Just so everyone should know. I have asked atleast one other dealer ( who sells many rare items on ebay ) for information on their supplier or provenance to just have my numerous inquiries go unanswered. So, why am I being singled out ? As far as jackass MCcartney Taylor , I gave the idiot planetary and achondrite for his chondrite and the moron sued me. Oh, he lied about not receiving my meteorites in court. How do you like that IMCA ? Mike, dont bother emailing back. I dont have anything else to say to you. Email the list though, they love this shit. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc
Dear Bob, As you are addressing the IMCA I think I owe you a brief response. You wrote: As far as jackass McCartney Taylor , I gave the idiot planetary and achondrite for his chondrite and the moron sued me. Oh, he lied about not receiving my meteorites in court. How do you like that IMCA ? Hmm, do you have any proof that you gave the said trade material to McCartney Taylor, and that he did actually receive the said specimens? If so, why didn't you show up in Court to confront him with the evidence? And, why didn't you show up in Court, in the first place? Inquiring minds want to know... Regards, Norbert Classen President IMCA Inc. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Statement on Student Asteroid Calculations
April 16, 2008 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 [EMAIL PROTECTED] RELEASE: 08-103 NASA STATEMENT ON STUDENT ASTEROID CALCULATIONS WASHINGTON -- The Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., has not changed its current estimates for the very low probability (1 in 45,000) of an Earth impact by the asteroid Apophis in 2036. Contrary to recent press reports, NASA offices involved in near-Earth object research were not contacted and have had no correspondence with a young German student, who claims the Apophis impact probability is far higher than the current estimate. This student's conclusion reportedly is based on the possibility of a collision with an artificial satellite during the asteroid's close approach in April 2029. However, the asteroid will not pass near the main belt of geosynchronous satellites in 2029, and the chance of a collision with a satellite is exceedingly remote. Therefore, consideration of this satellite collision scenario does not affect the current impact probability estimate for Apophis, which remains at 1 in 45,000. -end- __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites Delivered the 'Seeds' of Earth's Left-hand Life
American Chemical Society Washington, D.C. Contact: Charmayne Marsh 504-670-5115 (New Orleans, April 6-10) 202-872-4400 (Washington, DC) Michael Bernstein 504-670-5115 (New Orleans, April 6-10) 202-872-4400 (Washington, DC) April 6, 2008 Meteorites delivered the 'seeds' of Earth's left-hand life NEW ORLEANS -- Flash back three or four billion years -- Earth is a hot, dry and lifeless place. All is still. Without warning, a meteor slams into the desert plains at over ten thousand miles per hour. With it, this violent collision may have planted the chemical seeds of life on Earth. Scientists presented evidence today that desert heat, a little water, and meteorite impacts may have been enough to cook up one of the first prerequisites for life: The dominance of left-handed amino acids, the building blocks of life on this planet. In a report at the 235th national meeting of the American Chemical Society, Ronald Breslow, Ph.D., University Professor, Columbia University, and former ACS President, described how our amino acid signature came from outer space. Chains of amino acids make up the protein found in people, plants, and all other forms of life on Earth. There are two orientations of amino acids, left and right, which mirror each other in the same way your hands do. This is known as chirality. In order for life to arise, proteins must contain only one chiral form of amino acids, left or right, Breslow noted. If you mix up chirality, a protein's properties change enormously. Life couldn't operate with just random mixtures of stuff, he said. With the exception of a few right-handed amino acid-based bacteria, left-handed L-amino acids dominate on earth. The Columbia University chemistry professor said that amino acids delivered to Earth by meteorite bombardments left us with those left-handed protein units. These meteorites were bringing in what I call the 'seeds of chirality,' stated Breslow. If you have a universe that was just the mirror image of the one we know about, then in fact, presumably it would have right-handed amino acids. That's why I'm only half kidding when I say there is a guy on the other side of the universe with his heart on the right hand side. These amino acids seeds formed in interstellar space, possibly on asteroids as they careened through space. At the outset, they have equal amounts of left and right-handed amino acids. But as these rocks soar past neutron stars, their light rays trigger the selective destruction of one form of amino acid. The stars emit circularly polarized light -- in one direction, its rays are polarized to the right. 180 degrees in the other direction, the star emits left-polarized light. All earthbound meteors catch an excess of one of the two polarized rays. Breslow said that previous experiments confirmed that circularly polarized light selectively destroys one chiral form of amino acids over the other. The end result is a five to ten percent excess of one form, in this case, L-amino acids. Evidence of this left-handed excess was found on the surfaces of these meteorites, which have crashed into Earth even within the last hundred years, landing in Australia and Tennessee. Breslow simulated what occurred after the dust settled following a meteor bombardment, when the amino acids on the meteor mixed with the primordial soup. Under credible prebiotic conditions -- desert-like temperatures and a little bit of water -- he exposed amino acid chemical precursors to those amino acids found on meteorites. Breslow and Columbia chemistry grad student Mindy Levine found that these cosmic amino acids could directly transfer their chirality to simple amino acids found in living things. Thus far, Breslow's team is the first to demonstrate that this kind of handedness transfer is possible under these conditions. On the prebiotic Earth, this transfer left a slight excess of left-handed amino acids, Breslow said. His next experiment replicated the chemistry that led to the amplification and eventual dominance of left-handed amino acids. He started with a five percent excess of one form of amino acid in water and dissolved it. Breslow found that the left and right-handed amino acids would bind together as they crystallized from water. The left-right bound amino acids left the solution as water evaporated, leaving behind increasing amounts of the left-amino acid in solution. Eventually, the amino acid in excess became ubiquitous as it was used selectively by living organisms. Other theories have been put forth to explain the dominance of L-amino acids. One, for instance, suggests polarized light from neutron stars traveled all the way to earth to zap right-handed amino acids directly. But the evidence that these materials are being formed out there and brought to us on meteorites is overwhelming, said Breslow. The steps afterward that led towards the genesis of life are shrouded in mystery. Breslow hopes to shine more light on prebiotic Earth as he turns
Re: [meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc
Jason wrote: And if you, McCartney, do want to prove your case to the rest ofus, this would be a good time to do so as well. If anyone is going to take votes, as far as I'm concerned their case is already proven in a *legitimate* court, and McCartney doesn't have to keep proving it to this motley crew ;). Cheers, Pete Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:13:36 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc Hello Bob, McCartney, All, I think that the trouble, Bob, is that McCartney has been supplying us with more details than you have, and they do point towards your guilt. Apparently there was a case filed against you, and you knew about it - but didn't respond to the court order to argue against it. That makes you sound pretty guilty... To be perfectly frank, I, for one, would like to know the details of the trade and come to my own conclusions; would both of you be willing to disclose the details of the trade and following disagreement? Who sent who what meteorite, how much did each specimen weigh, etc.? If you do want to prove your innocence, that would be the best way, Bob. And if you, McCartney, do want to prove your case to the rest of us, this would be a good time to do so as well. I'm not entirely sure if anyone else is interested in hearing the rest of this, but I think that the list is as good a forum as any for proving a dealer's innocence or guilt in a situation, whatever the case may be, because this does have an effect on the rest of us, collectors and dealers alike. I, for one, wouldn't want to deal with a dishonest dealer, whatever the case may be. Regards, Jason On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Bob Evans wrote: Hey Mike, Thanks for causing alot of problems for me. Did it ever occur to you that I wasnt willing to give you my sources name because I was in the process of trying to obtain more meteorites, and I didnt need to compete with everybody else, including you ? Why dont you try asking Mike Farmer or the Hupes for the Moroccan names and phone #s. Good luck. Everything I ever sold you was up front nothing to hide. Now you come along with this. Why dont you send it to an accredited lab and see what they have to say instead of attacking me. Thats also pretty lame of you seeing as I told you that Im dealing with a parent who is in the hospital with blood clots in her lungs and I would deal with you later. Just so everyone should know. I have asked atleast one other dealer ( who sells many rare items on ebay ) for information on their supplier or provenance to just have my numerous inquiries go unanswered. So, why am I being singled out ? As far as jackass MCcartney Taylor , I gave the idiot planetary and achondrite for his chondrite and the moron sued me. Oh, he lied about not receiving my meteorites in court. How do you like that IMCA ? Mike, dont bother emailing back. I dont have anything else to say to you. Email the list though, they love this shit. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Turn every day into $1000. Learn more at SignInAndWIN.ca http://g.msn.ca/ca55/213 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc
Hello Pete, I admit that it does sound as though he (McCartney) is in the right, but all the same...there's a reason they give people the benefit of the doubt in court, and I see no reason why we should condemn someone (in this case, Bob) when there is still a chance that he may be innocent. The way I see it, if we know more, we can resolve this to a greater degree, and come to a more conclusive decision as a group than we would otherwise. The trouble in the past has been, in my opinion, that people get caught up in the - he cheated me -- no, he cheated me argument that too little evidence comes out and others never see what was actually done. I think it's high time we started making it clear as a community that such actions will -not- be accepted, at all. I believe that this should be resolved with such certainty that the wrongdoer be banned from the IMCA, banned from the list, kept from being accepted by all and any within the 'world of meteorites' by those who are truly a part of it, because there should be no place in such a hobby for one who lies, cheats, or steals. Especially when -we- have the power to make this such a safe place. Or am I wrong? Regards, Jason On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason wrote: And if you, McCartney, do want to prove your case to the rest ofus, this would be a good time to do so as well. If anyone is going to take votes, as far as I'm concerned their case is already proven in a *legitimate* court, and McCartney doesn't have to keep proving it to this motley crew ;). Cheers, Pete Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:13:36 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc Hello Bob, McCartney, All, I think that the trouble, Bob, is that McCartney has been supplying us with more details than you have, and they do point towards your guilt. Apparently there was a case filed against you, and you knew about it - but didn't respond to the court order to argue against it. That makes you sound pretty guilty... To be perfectly frank, I, for one, would like to know the details of the trade and come to my own conclusions; would both of you be willing to disclose the details of the trade and following disagreement? Who sent who what meteorite, how much did each specimen weigh, etc.? If you do want to prove your innocence, that would be the best way, Bob. And if you, McCartney, do want to prove your case to the rest of us, this would be a good time to do so as well. I'm not entirely sure if anyone else is interested in hearing the rest of this, but I think that the list is as good a forum as any for proving a dealer's innocence or guilt in a situation, whatever the case may be, because this does have an effect on the rest of us, collectors and dealers alike. I, for one, wouldn't want to deal with a dishonest dealer, whatever the case may be. Regards, Jason On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Bob Evans wrote: Hey Mike, Thanks for causing alot of problems for me. Did it ever occur to you that I wasnt willing to give you my sources name because I was in the process of trying to obtain more meteorites, and I didnt need to compete with everybody else, including you ? Why dont you try asking Mike Farmer or the Hupes for the Moroccan names and phone #s. Good luck. Everything I ever sold you was up front nothing to hide. Now you come along with this. Why dont you send it to an accredited lab and see what they have to say instead of attacking me. Thats also pretty lame of you seeing as I told you that Im dealing with a parent who is in the hospital with blood clots in her lungs and I would deal with you later. Just so everyone should know. I have asked atleast one other dealer ( who sells many rare items on ebay ) for information on their supplier or provenance to just have my numerous inquiries go unanswered. So, why am I being singled out ? As far as jackass MCcartney Taylor , I gave the idiot planetary and achondrite for his chondrite and the moron sued me. Oh, he lied about not receiving my meteorites in court. How do you like that IMCA ? Mike, dont bother emailing back. I dont have anything else to say to you. Email the list though, they love this shit. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Turn every day into $1000. Learn more at SignInAndWIN.ca http://g.msn.ca/ca55/213
Re: [meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc
Bob the real truth is that you have been caught. You have had ample opportunity to come clean with the real provenance of the specimens but you chose not to. I have checked on your story for both Zulu Queen as well as Andover. The following is an exerpt from an email that a collector sent me.: Back in December Bob Evans put a part slice of Zulu Queen on ebay, about a gram. I asked then if he might have a larger piece and if the provenance was Jim Schwade, since I knew Jim had a large slice and I assumed it had come from him (I had previously asked if Jim wanted to sell, and I believe he said it was spoken for or had already been sold). Here's Bob's reply: I do have a little more Zulu Queen, but Im not sure at this point if I will sell more. I think I got more than $100/ gram last time I sold a slice. Im 99% sure that I got the Zulu Queen from Jim Schwade but I got it quite a few years ago so I do have to verify that. You then told a different collector you procured the Zulu Queen from UCLA. Upon questioning they denied ever working with you. IOM where the main mass is (100g) also denied ever trading this to you. Jim is the only collector with a complete slice and he has never cut his . Nice scam. Looks like that 1% is going to come back to bite you. Many times I have heard your answer when asked about provenance is that due to sloppy records you can't remember who you got these specimens from. Bob I am a large collector with close to 800 specimens ---over 350 museum quality historic pieces. I can remember where I got each and every specimen. You have maybe what 10 meteorites that may be real (let's discount the fake ones you have been curating) and yet you can't recall where you've gotten them from.. Come on . Get real. I have tracked the provenance of each piece of Andover and once again sorry Bob---your bad memory points to your guilt. Jim would have been the source as he traded it from USNM. The only collectors with a piece are Jim,Martin H,Frank Cressy (from Al Lang), and myself. Oh yeah... Art Ehlmann has a nice specimen.The main mass is at USNM. They have not exchanged this with you either. Let's not even get into your bad memory of other specimens you have soldEnsisheim or could it be St .Severin, Mooresfort, Bialystok, Clareton...Heck the list goes on. Bob because of your bad memory I think this brings into question every specimen you have ever sold. My hope is that every colector that has ever dealt with you with micros will ask for a refund ---that is take you up on your offer that you advertise on ebay. For all I know perhaps several specimens were real but how would anyone know. You knew (thought ) no one would ever take any of your suspected micros and have them analyzed. Hmm... What you should be writing to Mike Bandli is an apology. Same goes for McCartney, and... and... Mike simply wanted straight answers to legitimate questions. He sold a piece of zulu queen that you sold to him and he just wanted reassurance that you got it from a legitimate source. I would think by this time with all the questions about your character that you would quickly come forward with the truth---who you got these specimens from. But in your case the truth hurts... Hey Bob who is the Illinois Attorney General's . I wonder if you mailed any of those specimens across state line. Isn't mail fraud a federal offense. Hmm... Sleep well... you will need the rest. Jay You wrote to one collector that you got Andover from Jim Schwade. Jim is a very good friend of mine . He denies ever selling either meteorite to you. A - Original Message - From: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc Hey Mike, Thanks for causing alot of problems for me. Did it ever occur to you that I wasnt willing to give you my sources name because I was in the process of trying to obtain more meteorites, and I didnt need to compete with everybody else, including you ? Why dont you try asking Mike Farmer or the Hupes for the Moroccan names and phone #s. Good luck. Everything I ever sold you was up front nothing to hide. Now you come along with this. Why dont you send it to an accredited lab and see what they have to say instead of attacking me. Thats also pretty lame of you seeing as I told you that Im dealing with a parent who is in the hospital with blood clots in her lungs and I would deal with you later. Just so everyone should know. I have asked atleast one other dealer ( who sells many rare items on ebay ) for information on their supplier or provenance to just have my numerous inquiries go unanswered. So, why am I being singled out ? As far as jackass MCcartney Taylor , I gave the idiot planetary and achondrite for his chondrite and the moron sued me. Oh, he lied about not
Re: [meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc
Hi Bob, Your meteoritical problems are self-inflicted. If you would have said 'I do not wish to reveal my source,' then I probably would have accepted that answer. Instead, you lied to me and other collectors. Lying about provenance casts doubt and doubtful material is near-worthless and should not be re-sold. In my opinion, lying about provenance is an offense that sits just below selling bogus material. In a business and hobby that rely much on trust, casting doubt is one of the worst offenses one can portray and has a domino effect on all collectors/dealers involved. The initial investigation in your claim that your material came from UCLA was not brought on by me. You happened to lie to 'the wrong person' who had extremely close ties with UCLA. Put yourself in my shoes. What would you have done if I had lied to you instead? Nothing? Or do you care enough about this business/hobby to pursue the truth? Bob Evans said: Why dont you send it to an accredited lab and see what they have to say instead of attacking me. Your statement makes no sense. I should destroy a specimen to be tested as a result of your lies? Bob Evans said: So, why am I being singled out? You aren't. If another dealer lied to me then I would pursue the truth with haste. I had nothing against you until YOU gave me reason to doubt. My poke at you on the list was a result of a hypocrisy that you have perpetuated by pointing out the lies of others on eBay, and yet still lying to your own customer. Another list member put it into better words and I quote: It has often been said that the things that upset a person the most about others are the problems they see within themselves. You have sold thousands of dollars worth of Zulu Queen. The least you can do is remove any doubt by revealing the real provenance. Do the right thing, Bob. Until then, my $500 worth of Zulu Queen is as good as unclassified. Let me also present some facts about Zulu Queen: -TKW of Zulu is 200 grams -UCLA doesn't posses any Zulu Queen -IOM currently holds ~70 grams. -Jim Schwade holds an uncut full slice of 46 grams. -IOM confirmed no recent exchanges of Zulu Queen and considered it one of there most coveted meteorites. I will end this email by quoting the Honorable Judge Judy Scheindlin: If it doesn't make sense, then it probably isn't true. Kind regards, Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: Bob Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:01 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Mike Bandli Subject: Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc Hey Mike, Thanks for causing alot of problems for me. Did it ever occur to you that I wasnt willing to give you my sources name because I was in the process of trying to obtain more meteorites, and I didnt need to compete with everybody else, including you ? Why dont you try asking Mike Farmer or the Hupes for the Moroccan names and phone #s. Good luck. Everything I ever sold you was up front nothing to hide. Now you come along with this. Why dont you send it to an accredited lab and see what they have to say instead of attacking me. Thats also pretty lame of you seeing as I told you that Im dealing with a parent who is in the hospital with blood clots in her lungs and I would deal with you later. Just so everyone should know. I have asked atleast one other dealer ( who sells many rare items on ebay ) for information on their supplier or provenance to just have my numerous inquiries go unanswered. So, why am I being singled out ? As far as jackass MCcartney Taylor , I gave the idiot planetary and achondrite for his chondrite and the moron sued me. Oh, he lied about not receiving my meteorites in court. How do you like that IMCA ? Mike, dont bother emailing back. I dont have anything else to say to you. Email the list though, they love this shit. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 54, Issue 52
Hi McKinney, I bought a US Balance digital pocket scale on Amazon.com for about $10.00 last year. It weighs up to 350 grams in .1 gram increments. It is similar to this one: http://www.amazon.com/Portable-BACKLIGHT-BATTERIES-EXTREMELY-MANUFACTURER/dp/B000KVB64I/ref=pd_bxgy_hg_text_b This one is a bit more expensive ($16.99) but goes up to 600 grams. My scale came via Half-Baked Goods and was shipped promptly. If you want to look at all the scales, enter digital pocket scales and you will get a ton of hits. Hope this helps. Best regards, Charley Butterfield Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants ! Hannibal Message: 3 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:45:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mckinney trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] need scale To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 can anyone recommend a scale from, say, 0-200 to maybe 500 grams in 10th's? need a model # + a plce to get it online. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...it's probably a duck. Bob Evans...the world awaits your rebuttal. Best, John Gwilliam At 06:05 PM 4/16/2008, Mike Bandli wrote: I will end this email by quoting the Honorable Judge Judy Scheindlin: If it doesn't make sense, then it probably isn't true. Kind regards, Mike Bandli __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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