Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater

2008-11-13 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi - 

I first heard about this last year at Christmas, but its been under wraps.

I never gave much thought to the fact that global sea levels were lower before 
10,900 BCE, and rose afterwards, in terms of what this meant for the 
Mediterranean. The big question has always been the opening of the Dardanelles, 
and the date for the Black Sea flooding, but this changes things...

The big one in the Mediterranean was the impact of a fragment of Encke ca 2,360 
BCE that pretty much wiped out man on Malta, in the sense of gone, disappeared, 
killed, dead, extinct, etc...  The RC dates for this catastrophe match with the 
Mayan date for Rio Cuarto, which matches with the tree ring date, which matches 
with the RC date, etc...

E.P. Grondine
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Re: [meteorite-list] Service Photo request.

2008-11-13 Thread Dave Gheesling
I'm not even on the distribution list, but these removal requests keep
pouring in...REMOVE ME AS WELL. 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:40 PM
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Kenefick; mineral enquiries; tammy pollard; Mike Crase; bonnie;
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Service Photo request.

REMOVE ME!!
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Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; bonnie 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]; darren [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jane Dawson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ken Dunklee [EMAIL PROTECTED]; donald
Dunklee [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jeremiah dunklee 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tracy Dunklee [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mr
EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mineral enquiries 
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farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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 We are doing a salute to Veterans at Amy's school. Any chance either 
 of you have a photo from your military service days that you could 
 email to me?

 Hope all is well.

 Rod
 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Service Photo request.

2008-11-13 Thread Michael L Blood
Take me on a vacation to Hawii !

on 11/12/08 5:27 PM, Dave Gheesling at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm not even on the distribution list, but these removal requests keep
 pouring in...REMOVE ME AS WELL.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry
 Flaherty
 Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:40 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jerry Dunklee
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 jeremiah dunklee; Norm Lehrman; mel; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; janice combs;
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; donald Dunklee; Michael L Blood; Tracy Dunklee; David
 Weir; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DAWN PERKINS; Jane Dawson;
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ken newton; Ken Dunklee; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; david
 Kenefick; mineral enquiries; tammy pollard; Mike Crase; bonnie;
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rick Moore; Mike Fowler; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Peggy
 Underwood; Jeff Grossman; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jason Wood; kevin;
 howard Mclean; mike crase; michael groetz; sheila; Adam Hupe; Charlie Hinds;
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; us; mom; michael farmer; jeremiah; Dave
 Harris; Karen Lody; sarah d
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Service Photo request.
 
 REMOVE ME!!
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; bonnie
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 janice combs [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mike crase
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mike Crase [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sarah d
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; darren [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jane Dawson
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ken Dunklee [EMAIL PROTECTED]; donald
 Dunklee [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jeremiah dunklee
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tracy Dunklee [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mr
 EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mineral enquiries
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; michael
 farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 michael groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Charlie Hinds
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jeremiah [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; david Kenefick [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kevin
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; randy korotev [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Norm Lehrman
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Karen Lody [EMAIL PROTECTED]; howard Mclean
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mel [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mom [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rick Moore
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ken
 newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DAWN PERKINS
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tammy pollard [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sheila [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Peggy Underwood
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; us [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Weir
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jason Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:32 AM
 Subject: Service Photo request.
 
 
 We are doing a salute to Veterans at Amy's school. Any chance either
 of you have a photo from your military service days that you could
 email to me?
 
 Hope all is well.
 
 Rod
 
 
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[meteorite-list] OT: Don't even open or answer service photo request emails

2008-11-13 Thread Mike Groetz
   If you do- you are only passing it on to others in your mailbox.

   As to the originator- just check the emails in the meteorite archives (this 
will keep it out of your mailbox)and the last name of the sender. Sound 
familiar from the O'bama emails a couple weeks ago?

   I have everything from that sender (and all with the same last name)  
blocked from coming in- I would suggest you do the same. Answering in 
frustration only continues the chain to others on the list.

Mike 


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Don't even open or answer service photorequest emails

2008-11-13 Thread Greg Hupe

HI Mike,

I agree! I never received the original email but have been getting everyone 
else's Remove Me emails because they Reply All. If someone insists on 
replying, just reply to the sender who sent it to you. We get enough Spam 
without having to delete these obvious emails.


As Michael Blood would say, Do Not Feed The Ducks. In this case, whoever 
the original sender was, obvious Spammer!!


Best regards,
Greg


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- Original Message - 
From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:50 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Don't even open or answer service photorequest 
emails




  If you do- you are only passing it on to others in your mailbox.

  As to the originator- just check the emails in the meteorite archives 
(this will keep it out of your mailbox)and the last name of the sender. 
Sound familiar from the O'bama emails a couple weeks ago?


  I have everything from that sender (and all with the same last name) 
blocked from coming in- I would suggest you do the same. Answering in 
frustration only continues the chain to others on the list.


Mike



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[meteorite-list] test

2008-11-13 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
Hi all!  Just seeing if this thing is on.  I've been setting my email format 
to plain text, but my posts still don't show up. 


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[meteorite-list] AD : Trinitite - Atomite - Alamogordo Glass - Bulk Lots

2008-11-13 Thread Michael Gilmer
Hi Folks!

While not a meteorite, it can be argued that Trinitite is a man-made tektite 
of sorts.  Given that this material
was sucked up into the mushroom cloud, formed into blobs and then rained back 
to Earth, splattering all
over the Trinity test site.  According to the articles about trinitite, the 
exact composition of the Trinitite
varied according to where it formed in relation to Ground Zero and what 
particular elements became infused
in a given mass of trinitite during formation.  Native elemental components in 
the desert landscape combined
with fissile products, pieces of the bomb casing, cabling, the gantry, and 
anything else that was swept into
the fireball.  It's a fascinating material to comtemplate because of what it 
represents - it is a time capsule or
snapshot from the very moment mankind unleashed the latent power of the atom.  
The only mineral material
I can think of that might have more historical significance would be moon dust 
from Neil Armstrong's boots
on the day of the first lunar landing.  

At any rate, from the first time I acquired some trinitite for my personal 
collection several months back, I
have been fascinated with it.  And after a good deal of searching, I finally 
found a source willing to sell me
a bulk lot of it at a reasonable price.  So, now I have over 500 grams of small 
trinitite pieces.  On average,
they weigh from 2 to 3.5 grams each.  Some are a little bigger (4 grams) and 
some are a little smaller (1 gram).
The pieces have about the same diameter as a nickel or penny and are about 
3-5mm thick on average.

I want to sell some of this to offset my costs, so I am offering this trinitite 
to the group in the following lots -

1) 10 gram lot of pieces - $40

2) 20 gram lot of pieces - $60

3) 50 gram lot of pieces - $100

I am keeping about 200 grams of this material for my personal inventory, but 
the rest is up for grabs.  To
avoid potential customs hassles, I am offering this trinitite to US buyers 
only.  I will not ship it to Canada
or Overseas, so please don't ask. 

PayPal is preferred.

Refer to these photos.  One photo shows the entire lot in a tupperware 
container and the other photo 
show pieces pulled from the lot.  The individual pieces shown are on the larger 
end of the scale - most
of the pieces in the entire 500 gram lot are about the same size or a little 
smaller.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/trinitite-lot.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/trin-2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/Rocks/trin-3.jpg

And of course, I still have Moon Rock and Mars Rock Riker box displays for $75 
shipped (CONUS), $80 Overseas -

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/April%20Sale/2-planet-kit.jpg

Thanks for looking and clear skies!

MikeG
.
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
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Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater

2008-11-13 Thread mexicodoug

Lukarto G wrote:

The RC dates for this catastrophe match with the Mayan date for Rio 
Cuarto



k'uxi Kamiko Lukarto, Amikoetik,

Ed, it's interesting that the Maya had a date for Rio Cuarto.  Don you 
believe the Comenchingones communicated with the great Maya 
astronomers?   Or how else could you propose the Maya knew about 
craters in the heartland of Argentina?  They are nearly as far away 
from the craters as equatorial Africa is, right?!


Best wishes, me^ tak'in,
Doug






-Original Message-
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Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 3:13 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater



Hi -

I first heard about this last year at Christmas, but its been under 
wraps.


I never gave much thought to the fact that global sea levels were lower 
before

10,900 BCE, and rose afterwards, in terms of what this meant for the
Mediterranean. The big question has always been the opening of the 
Dardanelles,

and the date for the Black Sea flooding, but this changes things...

The big one in the Mediterranean was the impact of a fragment of Encke 
ca 2,360
BCE that pretty much wiped out man on Malta, in the sense of gone, 
disappeared,
killed, dead, extinct, etc...  The RC dates for this catastrophe match 
with the
Mayan date for Rio Cuarto, which matches with the tree ring date, which 
matches

with the RC date, etc...

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas



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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction Ad

2008-11-13 Thread Michael L Blood
Greetings all,
While I am looking foreword to seeing everyone in Tucson
I must admit that with the combination of increased overhead
and a HUGE lack of response to requests for entries in the auction,
it is entirely possible this will be the final Tucson Meteorite Auction.
Perhaps it has run its course. Personally, I hope not. While it is
A LOT of work, it is, at least for me, a LOT of fun - and it has
Always seemed to be a lot of fun for all who attend.
HOWEVER:  
Deadline for minimum commission entries is in two days
And I have 7 entries (usually, by this time I have 70 or 80). I
Have to sell about $25K worth of specimens just to brake even,
so, this is looking dismal as the sponsor of the event. It is always
Possible tons of entries will come in at graduated fee rates as
The event grows nearer and nearer, but that has never been the
Case in the past. At least 75% of the items tend to be in and
up in the on line catalog by now.
Now, this will still make for an exciting auction, as there
Will undoubtedly be at least a few more entries and, most important
To the bidders, there will  be plenty of room to allow for all the
late entries, many of which I have turned down in the past and
most of which turn out to be large whole Stones  Irons with
no minimum - so, buyers will have a field day.
  Also, Jerry Armstrong's lecture should be very meaningful - so
Much so that I am hoping to have him audio tape it for me so I
Don't miss it, myself. So, while THIS auction will go on, it is
Looking like it will be a large financial loss which I can take only
Once. If so, then, of course, this will be the 10th and the final.
Not to worry if you are a buyer, as you will have a ball, no doubt:
Jerry's lecture, Twink's Gold Bason Birthday Cake, food and
Open bar with a hundred or more meteorite buddies tends to
Make for a great time.
I suppose it is entirely possible people are going to flood me
With entries of high quality with no minimums over the next few
Weeks or so, but I  am not holding my breath. On the other hand,
People seeing how few entries there are may realize their piece(s)
Will be in higher demand, so, feel more inclined to  enter specimens.
Those that are thinking of submitting can still get the lowest
Possible fee by submitting a list of the entries in the next 48 hrs
Even if they have yet to take digital photos - I will extend the
Deadline for photos on a person by person basis.
Please submit high quality pieces only, as $10 and $20 items
Are not going to keep the doors open. If you enter 10 or 20 items,
some at the low end are fine, of course.
I hope I am wrong and have a flood of work over the next
Couple of weeks.   
Best wishes, Michael





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[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - November 12, 2008

2008-11-13 Thread Ron Baalke


MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
November 12, 2008

o Structure of the North Polar Layered Deposits
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010008_2630

o Layers in Candor Mensa Athabasca Valles 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010027_1745

o Distributary Channels 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010045_1880

o Knobs, Bright Deposits, and Inverted Channels in Eberswalde Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010052_1560


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.
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[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update: October 30 - November 06, 2008

2008-11-13 Thread Ron Baalke

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#spirit

SPIRIT UPDATE:  Still Trying to Drive Uphill - sol 1716-1722, 
October 30 - November 06, 2008:

Spirit has been trying to drive back up the slope toward the top of
Home Plate to achieve a more favorable tilt of the solar panels toward
the Sun as it moves higher in the sky. Spirit at first made promising
progress on sols 1709 (Oct. 23, 2008) and 1713 (Oct. 27, 2008).
Subsequent drives have not been as successful. Spirit began veering to
the rover's right, which resulted in the right front wheel getting close
to slipping off the top of Home Plate and onto the slope. The right
front wheel is the one that no longer drives, so if it moves onto the
slope it could be difficult to get it back on top of Home Plate.

Fortunately, rover planners have a seemingly bottomless bag of tricks
and they continue to try different strategies to make progress up the
slope. If necessary, they can direct the rover to drive downslope and
take an alternate route back up Home Plate. They can save time if Spirit
can make it up the slope from the rover's present location.

Spirit is also preparing for solar conjunction. This is a period of
approximately two weeks, beginning November 29, when the Sun will be
between Earth and Mars, preventing communication. Preparations include
making sure that Spirit's battery is charged and that Spirit has
sufficient computer memory available to store data collected during
conjunction until it can be sent to Earth.

Spirit is healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected as of the
latest transmission from NASA's Odyssey orbiter on sol 1722 (Nov. 6,
2008). Energy from Spirit's solar arrays has been averaging 230
watt-hours (equivalent to the amount of energy needed to light a
100-watt bulb for about 2 hours and 20 minutes).

Sol-by-sol summary

In addition to measuring dust-related changes in atmospheric clarity
each day with the panoramic camera, Spirit completed the following
activities:

Sol 1716 (Oct. 30, 2008): Spirit checked for drift (changes with time)
in the miniature thermal emission spectrometer and completed a
mini-survey of the sky and ground with the instrument. Spirit resumed
inching uphill. After the drive, Spirit took a single-frame image with
the navigation camera as well as images with the hazard-avoidance cameras.

Sol 1717: Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer and completed a mini-survey of the sky and
ground with the instrument. The rover recharged the batteries.

Sol 1718: Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer and completed a mini-survey of the sky and
ground with the instrument. Spirit continued inching uphill and, after
the drive, acquired images with the navigation and hazard-avoidance
cameras.

Sol 1719: Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer and completed a mini-survey of the sky and
ground with the instrument. The rover made observations of the
spectrometer's calibration target and recharged the batteries.

Sol 1720: Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer and completed a mini-survey of the sky and
ground with the instrument. The rover acquired four, time-lapse movie
frames in search of clouds with the navigation camera and took spot
images of the sky for calibration purposes with the panoramic cameras.
Spirit completed a quick fine attitude adjustment to determine the
rover's precise position relative to the Sun. Spirit acquired images
with the rear and front hazard-avoidance cameras and used visual
odometry to track the rover's actual position based on the surface
imprints made by its wheels.

Sol 1721: Spirit continued trying to inch upslope. After stopping,
Spirit acquired a single-frame image with the navigation camera as well
as images with the hazard-avoidance cameras.

Sol 1722 (Nov. 6, 2008): Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in
the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, completed a mini-survey of
the sky and ground with the instrument, and recharged the batteries.

Odometry:

As of sol 1721 (Nov. 4, 2008), Spirit's total odometry was 7,528.56
meters (4.68 miles).


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[meteorite-list] Mars Rover Spirit Remains Quiet as Dust Storm Weakens

2008-11-13 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-210  

Mars Rover Spirit Remains Quiet as Dust Storm Weakens
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
November 12, 2008

PASADENA, Calif. -- A dust storm that has reduced power to NASA's Mars
Exploration Rover Spirit is clearing, but the Spirit's status remains
unknown on Wednesday.

Mission controllers sent a set of commands to the rover early Tuesday,
Nov. 11, telling it to follow several energy-saving steps, including not
trying to communicate before Thursday. The team's immediate goal was to
keep Spirit out of a pre-programmed protective mode that is triggered
when battery charge is depleted below a safety level. The new commands,
if received, would allow the team to keep more active control of Spirit
than is possible when the rover is in the low-power protective mode.

Like concerned parents, if we can stay in communication with the rover,
we are in a better position to help, said John Callas of NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., project manager for Spirit and
its twin, Opportunity.

Controllers listened overnight Tuesday to Wednesday in case Spirit had
entered the protective mode and attempted to communicate. It could be a
favorable sign that Spirit was not heard from, because that could mean
that the rover has received and is following the commands sent Tuesday.
However, another possibility is that Spirit has not only entered the
low-power protective mode, but that its battery power is so low it would
not wake up to communicate.

We likely won't know anything definitive until Thursday, Callas said.
The good news is that we have indications from Mars Reconnaissance
Orbiter that the dust storm on Mars is clearing over Gusev. (Spirit is
working in a range of hills inside Gusev Crater, which is about the size
of Connecticut.)

Meanwhile, controllers will continue to listen for communication from
Spirit at the times the rover would be expected to communicate if it has
entered the low-power protective mode but still has enough power to
transmit a signal.

Spirit has been operating on Mars for nearly five years in an
exploration mission originally planned to last three months. A coating
of dust on its solar panels is reducing its ability to generate
electricity even when the sky is clear.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena,
manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for the NASA Science Mission
Directorate, Washington.

Media contact: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-2

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[meteorite-list] NWA 1774 (R3.8-6)

2008-11-13 Thread bernd . pauli
Hello List and Thin Section Lovers,

Just got my 2 thin sections of the NWA 1774 (R3.8-6) rumurutiite
that Philippe Thomas is offering. Boy, these must surely be among
the largest thin sections I have ever purchased with an awesome
viewing area of about 2 cm by 3.5 cm. You had better hurry if
interested - a few of them are still for sale. See here:

http://www.meteoritica.com/thinsections_nwa1774.html

#5 and #6 are now my thin sections. Thank you Philippe  Léa!

Thin Sectionally Yours,

Bern


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[meteorite-list] meteorite sale

2008-11-13 Thread Guy Heinen

Hello guys,

Just to tell you that I'll sell a large part of my meteorite  
collection. Those of you interested in buying one or more specimens  
may contact me off list.


All the best,

Guy Heinen
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[meteorite-list] Extrasolar planet photos

2008-11-13 Thread Darren Garrison
They really need to run these photos through some of those CSI crime lab
filters.  Should be able to pull up enough detail to read the alien's lisence
plates.

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/38540/title/Extrasolar_planetary_system_makes_pictorial_debut
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction Ad

2008-11-13 Thread Ma Lan
Hi Michael,

I have submitted a piece of Zunhua, but see nothing on the auction catalog 
webpage as of today. I remember that, when you received the photos and 
description, you just said: thanks, looks good. Michael.

Best wishes,
Ma Lan
Beijing China



--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction Ad
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 4:30 AM
 Greetings all,
 While I am looking foreword to seeing everyone in
 Tucson
 I must admit that with the combination of increased
 overhead
 and a HUGE lack of response to requests for entries in the
 auction,
 it is entirely possible this will be the final Tucson
 Meteorite Auction.
 Perhaps it has run its course. Personally, I hope not.
 While it is
 A LOT of work, it is, at least for me, a LOT of fun - and
 it has
 Always seemed to be a lot of fun for all who attend.
 HOWEVER:  
 Deadline for minimum commission entries is in two
 days
 And I have 7 entries (usually, by this time I have 70 or
 80). I
 Have to sell about $25K worth of specimens just to brake
 even,
 so, this is looking dismal as the sponsor of the event. It
 is always
 Possible tons of entries will come in at graduated fee
 rates as
 The event grows nearer and nearer, but that has never been
 the
 Case in the past. At least 75% of the items tend to be
 in and
 up in the on line catalog by now.
 Now, this will still make for an exciting auction,
 as there
 Will undoubtedly be at least a few more entries and, most
 important
 To the bidders, there will  be plenty of room to allow for
 all the
 late entries, many of which I have turned down in the past
 and
 most of which turn out to be large whole Stones  Irons
 with
 no minimum - so, buyers will have a field day.
   Also, Jerry Armstrong's lecture should be very
 meaningful - so
 Much so that I am hoping to have him audio tape it for me
 so I
 Don't miss it, myself. So, while THIS auction will go
 on, it is
 Looking like it will be a large financial loss which I can
 take only
 Once. If so, then, of course, this will be the 10th and the
 final.
 Not to worry if you are a buyer, as you will have a ball,
 no doubt:
 Jerry's lecture, Twink's Gold Bason Birthday Cake,
 food and
 Open bar with a hundred or more meteorite buddies tends to
 Make for a great time.
 I suppose it is entirely possible people are going
 to flood me
 With entries of high quality with no minimums over the next
 few
 Weeks or so, but I  am not holding my breath. On the other
 hand,
 People seeing how few entries there are may realize their
 piece(s)
 Will be in higher demand, so, feel more inclined to  enter
 specimens.
 Those that are thinking of submitting can still get
 the lowest
 Possible fee by submitting a list of the entries in the
 next 48 hrs
 Even if they have yet to take digital photos - I will
 extend the
 Deadline for photos on a person by person basis.
 Please submit high quality pieces only, as $10 and
 $20 items
 Are not going to keep the doors open. If you enter 10 or 20
 items,
 some at the low end are fine, of course.
 I hope I am wrong and have a flood of work over the
 next
 Couple of weeks.   
 Best wishes, Michael
 
 
 
 
 
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[meteorite-list] Major Breakthrough: First Photos of Planets Around Other Stars

2008-11-13 Thread Sterling K. Webb
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081113-hubble-exoplanet.html

Major Breakthrough: First Photos of Planets Around Other Stars 
By Jeanna Bryner -- 13 November 2008


Astronomers have taken what they say are the first-ever 
images of planets outside of our solar system, including 
a visible-light snapshot of a single-planet system and an 
infrared picture of a multiple-planet system. 

Earth-like worlds might also exist in the three-planet system, 
but if so they are too dim to photograph. The other newfound 
planet orbits a star called Fomalhaut, which is visible without 
the aid of a telescope. It is the 18th brightest star in the sky.

The massive worlds, each much heftier than Jupiter (at least 
for the three-planet system), could change how astronomers 
define the term planet, one planet-hunter said.

Breakthrough technology
Until now, scientists have inferred the presence of planets 
mainly by detecting an unseen world's gravitational tug on 
its host star or waiting for the planet to transit in front of its 
star and then detecting a dip in the star's light. While these 
methods have helped to identify more than 300 extrasolar 
planets to date, astronomers have struggled to actually 
directly image and see such inferred planets. 

The four photographed exoplanets are discussed in two 
research papers published online today by the journal 
Science. 

Every extrasolar planet detected so far has been a wobble 
on a graph. These are the first pictures of an entire system, 
said Bruce Macintosh, an astrophysicist from Lawrence 
Livermore National Laboratory in California, and part of 
the team that photographed the multi-planet system in 
infrared light. We've been trying to image planets for 
eight years with no luck and now we have pictures of 
three planets at once.

Astronomers have claimed previously to have directly 
imaged a planet, with at least two such objects, though 
not everybody agreed the objects were planets. Instead, 
they may be dim, failed stars known as brown dwarfs.

Multi-planet snapshots
Macintosh, lead researcher Christian Marois of the NRC 
Herzberg Institute of Astrophysics in Canada, and colleagues 
used the Gemini North telescope and W.M. Keck 
Observatory on Hawaii's Mauna Kea to obtain infrared 
images. Infrared radiation represents heat and, along with 
everything from radio waves to visible light and X-rays, 
is part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

The trio of worlds orbits a star named HR 8799, which is 
about 130 light-years away in the constellation Pegasus and 
about 1.5 times as massive as the sun. The planets are located 
at distances from their star of 24, 38 and 68 astronomical 
units (AU). (An astronomical unit equals the average Earth-sun 
distance of 93 million miles, or about 150 million km.) Other 
planet-finding techniques work out to only about 5 AU from a star.

The planet closest to the star weighs in at 10 times the mass of 
Jupiter, followed by another 10 Jupiter-mass planet and then, 
farther out, a world seven times the heft of Jupiter. 

By astronomical standards, the planets are fresh out of the oven, 
forming about 60 million years ago. That means the orbs are still 
glowing from heat leftover from their formation. Earth, by 
comparison, is about 4.5 billion years old.

The most distant planet orbits just inside a disk of dusty debris, 
similar to that produced by the icy objects of the solar system's 
Kuiper belt, which lies just beyond the orbit of Neptune.

The setup of this planetary system, along with its dusty belt, 
suggests it is a scaled-up version of our solar system, 
Macintosh said. That means other planets closer in to the 
host star could be waiting for discovery. 

I think there's a very high probability that there are more 
planets in the system that we can't detect yet, Macintosh 
said. One of the things that distinguishes this system from 
most of the extrasolar planets that are already known is that 
HR 8799 has its giant planets in the outer parts - like our 
solar system does - and so has 'room' for smaller terrestrial 
planets, far beyond our current ability to see, in the inner parts.

Hubble's discovery
University of California, Berkeley, astronomer Paul Kalas 
led the team of astronomers who took the visible-light 
snapshot of the single-planet system. The exoplanet has 
been named Fomalhaut b, and is estimated to weigh no 
more than three Jupiter masses.

The Hubble Space Telescope's Advanced Camera for 
Surveys was used to make the image. The camera is 
equipped with a coronagraph that blocks out the light 
of the host star, allowing astronomers to view a much 
fainter planet.

It's kind of like if driving into the sun and suddenly 
you flip down your visor, you can see the road easier, 
Kalas said during a telephone interview. In fact, 
Fomalhaut b is 1 billion times fainter than its star. 
It's not easy to see. That kind of sensitivity has never 
been seen before, he added.

Fomalhaut b is about 25 light-years 

Re: [meteorite-list] Greek Crater

2008-11-13 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi Doug - 

Not being fluent in Mayan, I had to rely on the translations of the hieroglyph 
scholars. 

As for how the Maya knew about the impacts, the fragments were visible for a 
long time, they watched them come in, and the resulting ecological collapse was 
catastrophic. Everyone who survived talked about it afterwards, and I have 
little doubt that the Maya, Olmec, and others dispatched researchers to the 
impact site.

When are you going to get out your magnifying glass and read your copy
of Man and Impact in the Americas?

good hunting, 
Ed



Ed, it's interesting that the Maya had a date for Rio Cuarto.  Don you
believe the Comenchingones communicated with the great Maya
astronomers?   Or how else could you propose the Maya knew about
craters in the heartland of Argentina?  They are nearly as far away
from the craters as equatorial Africa is, right?!

Best wishes, me^ tak'in,
Doug






  
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