Re: [meteorite-list] LDG in King Tut exhibit
Yes indeed, the central stone of Tut Anch Amun's famous and wonderful pectoral is a piece of LDG, carved in form of a scarab - can be admired here: http://geology.rockbandit.net/2006/07/19/tutankhamuns-pectoral-and-meteors/ Best from Germany, Matthias - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 3:58 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] LDG in King Tut exhibit I just returned from Dallas, after attending the King Tut exhibit. Libyan Desert Glass is acknowledged as the source for one of King Tut's jewels in a piece of jewelry. They show a short 2 minute video on what forms the LDG. Just an FYI. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] bruderheim
Hi list.Just wondering what the normal price per gram of the canadian hammer BRUDERHEIM is going for. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! a rel=nofollow target=_blank href=http://chicagometeorites.net/;http://chicagometeorites.net//a __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] bruderheim
Hey Steve, if by normal price you mean what it would bring on e-bay on any given day, looks like it's been going from about $18-25/g depending on the size. Of course some dealers may be asking more, but don't know if it's been selling. Phil On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 7:46 AM, steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi list.Just wondering what the normal price per gram of the canadian hammer BRUDERHEIM is going for. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! a rel=nofollow target=_blank href=http://chicagometeorites.net/;http://chicagometeorites.net//a __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New ice core evidence for a volcanic cause of the A.D. 536 dust veil
A 2008 paper in AGU’s Geophysical Research Letters presents an alternative interpretation of ice core evidence to that discussed in “[meteorite-list] Comet smashes triggered ancient famine ???” can be found in: Larsen, L. B., B. M. Vinther, K. R. Briffa, T. M. Melvin, H. B. Clausen, P. D. Jones, M.-L. Siggaard-Andersen, C. U. Hammer, M. Eronen, H. Grudd, B. E. Gunnarson, R. M. Hantemirov, M. M. Naurzbaev, and K. Nicolussi, 2008, New ice core evidence for a volcanic cause of the A.D. 536 dust veil. Geophysical Research Letters. vol. 35, no. L04708, doi:10.1029/2007GL032450, 2008 http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2007GL032450.shtml http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008GeoRL..3504708L This paper is discussed in “536 AD and all that” at: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/03/536-ad-and-all-that/ and “Comments on: 536 AD and all that” at: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/03/536-ad-and-all-that/feed/ It should be interesting to how these differences of opinions are resolved in the future. Some related articles are: 1. Axboe, M., 1999, The year 536 and the Scandinavian gold hoards. Medieval archaeology. vol. 43, pp. 186-188. Link and TOC at: http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/ARCHway/toc.cfm?rcn=1089vol=43 PDF file at: http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/arch-769-1/ahds/dissemination/pdf/vol43/43_186_188.pdf 2. D'Arrigo, R., D. Frank, G. Jacoby and N. Pederson, 2001, Spatial Response to Major Volcanic Events in or about AD 536, 934 and 1258: Frost Rings and Other Dendrochronological Evidence from Mongolia and Northern Siberia: Comment on R. B. Stothers, ‘Volcanic Dry Fogs, Climate Cooling, and Plague Pandemics in Europe and the Middle East’ (Climatic Change, 42, 1999). Climate Change. vol. 49, no. 1-2, pp 239-246. Abstract at: http://www.springerlink.com/content/lj2k364539rl5613/ and link at http://www.pitt.edu/~mrosenme/Mongolia_Workshop/links.htm PDF file at: http://www.pitt.edu/AFShome/m/r/mrosenme/public/html/Mongolia_workshop/D_Arrigo_et_al_2001.pdf 3. Grattan, J. P., and F. B. Pyattb, 1999, Volcanic eruptions dry fogs and the European palaeoenvironmental record: localised phenomena or hemispheric impacts? Global and Planetary Change. vol. 21, no. 1-3, pp. 173-179. Abstract at: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1999GPC21..173G PDF file at: http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/2160/226/1/env%20impact%20of%20volcanic%20gases1.pdf 4. Mardon, 1997, The mystery of the 536 A.D. dust veil event: Was it a cometary or meteorite impact? Large Meteorite Impacts and Planetary Evolution: Sudbury 1997 Conference Abstract Volume. Sudbury, September 3, 1997 Citation is “English*Published material that has appeared in print” at: http://www.austinmardon.org/page2.htm Pdf file at: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/impacts97/pdf/6019.pdf 5. Stothers, R. B., 1999, Volcanic Dry Fogs, Climate Cooling, and Plague Pandemics in Europe and the Middle East. Climatic Change, vol. 42, no. 4, pp. 713-723. Abstract at: http://www.springerlink.com/content/p79818w71777m113/ 6. Braille, M., 2007, The case for significant numbers of extraterrestrial impacts through the late Holocene. Journal of Quaternary Science. vol. 22, no. 2, pp. 101-109. Abstract at: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007JQS22..101B PDF file at: http://tsun.sscc.ru/hiwg/PABL/Baillie_2007_JQS.pdf Yours, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - New Website - New Specimens listed online
Dear List, i just finished the work on my new website. www.gi-po.de It's not 100% finished yet, the english part is still missing, but i think it should be easy to navigate for non-german speakers. Well, whats new? There is a new design, i changed the navigation and the whole layout of the website, also i uploaded many new specimens. More new stuff will follow soon, i'm working daily on it. I hope you will like it! Best regards, Carsten __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] allende individual
allende individual has one hour left on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/25-5G-ALLENDE-CARBONACEOUS-meteorite-69fall_W0QQitemZ290287293945QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Nininger Item - Planetary Bargains
Dear List Members, I would like bring to your attention some great items now listed on eBay. All items are started out at just 99 cents including several sizable lunar pieces. Click below to see some great auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Several Generous Sized Lunar Meteorite Specimens Started at Just 99 Cents: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200295791833 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140293077471 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200295800469 Largest Piece of Tierra Blanca I have Left Stated at Just 99 Cents: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140293079992 Niningers Printing Press Started Out at $3,000.00 and Offered by kalani_oftheheavens. My associate, Jeff is offering this item far below costs and will deliver it to the Tucson show for free. He acquired the collection from me and is offering the working printing press by itself. I only mention this since Jeff is out of town until this evening and a serious bargain could be had. I tried to keep the collection together but no museum was willing to accommodate a deal and I have no room left in my garage. It is either give up my 24 lapidary saw or sports car or store this printing press. He is offering it for thousands less than I have into it. He will also entertain offers on the plates if somebody wants to keep this collection whole. You can try this link but if it doesn't work, type Niningers Printing Press and it should show up under the EBay search: http://cgi.ebay.com/Niningers-Antique-Kelsey-Excelsior-Printing-Press_W0QQitemZ120360067070QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item120360067070_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 And Many More Examples Worth Looking at Can Be Found at This Link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] comet fragment impact and 536 AD climate collapse
Hi all - A few points about the recent discussion of the climate collapse of 536 CE: 1) For some reason some of you think that volcanic eruptions and cometary dust veils are mutually exclusive events, and that if a volcano goes off, then no comet passes nearby. This is not so, as the events of 1628 BCE show. 2) Note the lack of volcanic glass shard from the new ice cores. Do volcanoes only emit sulfur? I am certain that if Dr. Abbott had found tephra, she would have reported it, as she has other volanic glass finds from other cores. 3) Why do some of you think that sulfur is not found in any cometary cores, and that sulfur does not occur in space, when you have troilite samples in your own collections? 4) Besides reading my book for the accounts of impacts in the Americas following 536 CE, some of you may want to take a look at the following essay for notes on another related impact: Impact And The End Of The Roman Empire In The West http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ce082202.html It appears Comet Encke's debris stream was fairly spread out. We don't have data from Africa or India yet. 5) Why hasn't this volcanic particulate/cometary dust issue been resolved? Where are the eruption dates from the volcanoes themselves? In a nut shell, and to my absolute knowledge, having spoken with the researchers, it is because NASA refuses to fund research on impacts, and in particular research on cometary impact, with the research being done by others when they can find funding. NASA coordination with NSF, USGS and others is non-existent. This is not due to any fault of Lindley Johnson, IMO, but rather the problem lies elsewhere. 6) This is not a trivial problem, nor a trivial hazard. In closing this note, I am hoping that the next NASA Administrator will not avoid his responsibilities to ensure the continued prosperity, safety, and lives of the people of the United States. I suppose we'll all find out Directly. Good Hunting - E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Strange Light Seen Hurtling Over United Kingdom
http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/news/article-9460-did-you-see-the-strange-light-in-the-sky-/ Did you see the strange light in the sky? by Dan Darlington Madenhead Advertiser (United Kingdom) January 12, 2009 A strange orange white light with a trail was seen hurtling across the sky by motorists near Marlow on Friday evening. Witness Marc Humphrey was driving along the A404 between Maidenhead and Marlow at about 7pm when he saw what he thought was a meteorite close to the ground. He noted down his UFO sighting on a UK-UFO sightings website. It could have been some sort of meteorite but it was not too high and then disappeared, he said. I know other motorists saw this as brake lights started coming on as people slowed to look. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA MATERIAL ; AD
Dear Collectors, Up for sale at excellent prices : - 1k nice thumbprinted achondrite. - 3k nice looking CV3 single stone. - 1k rare C type. - Olivine Diogenite. and some more good deals. Photos and prices on request. Cheers Aziz __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorites Info
Hello Everyone, Lunar meteorites? Nice NASA Website with a Lunar meteorite compendium (first link is a pdf file): http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/lmc/LMCIntro.pdf This one is interesting because it is indexed by type, rather than by name: http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/lmc/index.cfm It also has much information regarding Lunar meteorites, in pdf format . Click on the link on the right for info regarding Martian meteorites. -Walter Branch __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] comet fragment impact and 536 AD climatecollapse
Hi Rob - I guess my question is what would you have NASA do differently? Build CAPS. NEO searches *are* funded, and I believe at a level commensurate with the risk. I don't believe so. Of course, the difference between you and myself is in our estimates of the risk. Mine is built on historical data... hell, I even wrote a book on recent impacts in the Americas called Man and Impact in the Americas. NEO searching doesn't exclude comets -- in fact at the time of discovery, telescopes can rarely differentiate a comet from an asteroid, as evidenced by the growing number of comets that carry asteroid designations (e.g. C/2006 OF2, C/2007 VO53, C/2008 FK75, P/2008 QP20, etc.) The odds of us getting blindsided by a comet with minimal warning are already close to zero. The odds of us getting blind-sided by a 75 meter carbonaceous chondrite (dead comet fragment) Tunguska class impactor are 1 right now, and from the historical record, the next impact event will most likely be of that type. Our worst blindspot used to be a comet approaching from the solar direction post-perihelion, but that gap is now closed by STEREO. From any other direction, we'll have months or even years of warning, Once again, it was a comet that killed the dinosaurs, not an asteroid. Warning times depend on cometary injection mechanisms. Space based assets provide you with the longest warning. You want the longest warning time possible - ask any dinosaur. and when PANSTARRS finally comes on line that warning time will increase even further. PanStarrs is getting built right now because of charitable donations by Bill Gates and Charles Simonyi. God will bless them for these gifts, and NASA should not try to steal credit for their charity. Dealing with this is NASA's responsibility, and I'm tired of relying on private charity. If your beef is in the fraction of the NASA budget set aside for studying past impacts, it really comes down to a question of public interest. Actually, it really comes down to the NASA PR machine fobbing off bad hazard estimates and bogus impact science. One more time, it wasn't an asteroid that killed the dinosaurs, it was a comet. And I sincerely hope that when Griffin leaves he takes Morrison with him. The public funds NASA, and I think they are more interested in planetary spacecraft missions, manned flight, weather, climatology, solar physics and cosmology, Some of those are useful, some are interesting, some of them just have interested scientists who are obsessed with their work for their clientelle. By the way, Mars is not like the Earth. But another factor in the public response is that NASA has been falsely assuring the public that they have the problem in hand, when in reality they don't. Hell, NASA couldn't even handle the impact of a small piece of foam... than they are in archaeoastronomy. There's a difference between archaeoastronomy and the study of catastrophic impacts. Yes, impacts are interesting to *US*, but it's hard to argue that their study pays any obvious dividends to the general public. You have to know what the hazard is to deal with it, and demonstrably NASA has let the country down. Speaking about what the people want, Administrator Griffin is still standing in contempt of the George Brown Jr. Ammendment, and the Ares 1 is the worst manned launcher I have seen. The resizing of the CEV is the key there. --Rob E.P. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA NEO funding /Impact Energy.. was comet fragment impact
I fear that the Religion of Man-made-Global-Warming-Al-Gore-Sky-is-Falling-Truth(sic) and its failures to even get the direction of change right, has made enough of Joe Public deer-in-the-headlight skeptical regarding estimates for soft specifics. That unknown could be the unknown but immanent cometary strike probabilities. Add that to t fact that the average public-school-educated citizen doesn't understand the differences of possible vs potential, and a 100% certainty of collision with a 0% certainty of when. So discussion is largely moot--impact is just accelerated Climate Change. Fortunately for many of us, those simpleton fat cats will be the first selected for the Donner Protocol, post impact. Yum Yum. (If I recall the size correctly)Of interesting but obscure side note regarding Cometary Impact Energy: a max size comet of 200 cubic kilometers (disrupted or not), arriving at cometary speeds, will deliver equivalent mega-tonnage of 34 each, 6-megaton Hydrogen bombs for--get this--Each and every one of the 6 billion human inhabitants of earth. Regardless of size, cometary ice, hitting the atmosphere at those speeds will be raised from -80°C to +10,000°C per unit-- be it a Cubic centimeter,cubic meter or, cubic kilometer. We will not be frozen ourselves before pretty much being vaporized by super heated steam. That is cooking on a cosmic scale. Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 13, 2009
RSPOD: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_13_2009.html JANUARY 2009: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_2009.html _ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Comets vs. asteroids
Hi Bob - You replied: The cost for construction, launch and mission operations of a single surveillance sensor capable of achieving a fraction of what you want would dwarf the current expenditures of all ground-based NEO work. Yes, and so... While I certainly agree that a space-based platform offers clear advantages over the ground, We agree there. you have to weigh that high cost against the degree of incremental improvement provided. What you have to weigh that high cost against is the fact that mankind nearly went the way of the dinosaur several times over the last six million years, and several mt DNA groups disappeared more recently than that, and several nations disappeared more recently than that. NEO searches *are* funded, and I believe at a level commensurate with the risk. I don't believe so. Of course, the difference between you and myself is in our estimates of the risk. Mine is built on historical and geological data... yours on hopes and Morrison's theoretical models. Speaking of money, how many tens of millions has NASA wasted looking for Nemesis? Any way I can get 15% of that under the False Claims Act? The risk, while real, is puny compared to more mundane threats. While we certainly have a lot of mundane threats, risk equals probability of occurrence versus loss per occurrence. Since you brought up threats, what is NASA expecting, invaders from Mars? You and I will almost certainly not live long enough to see the earth impacted by any object of significance (and I plan to live another half century or more.) Perhaps, but based on the impacts at Rio Curaca in 1930 and Rupunini in 1935 and the small bit in Norway in 2006, try a five kiloton blast in 2022 from a 30 m fragment of SW3. The odds of a 75-meter impactor (of any flavor) are indeed close to one, but only if you're willing to wait long enough. But you can't say the odds of being blind-sided by one are unity With NASA's current and planned detectors, yes I can. -- we have space-based sensors operating 24/7 Now that's news there - are your IR detectors capable of finding 75 m objects with the luminence of a chunk of charcoal at several lunar distances? Figure in the travel times, and that's about what's needed just for a simple warning of Tunguska type objects. and dozens of highly capable ground-based instruments scattered around the globe, so there is at least some chance of spotting such an interloper before impact. (Don't forget the 3-meter object that Catalina Sky Survey spotted about a day before impact in Sudan.) Specious rationalization of the worst sort, Bob - you mention 3 meters, but you do not mention luminence. Did you work the Columbia foam impact by any chance? Once again, it was a comet that killed the dinosaurs, not an asteroid. What's the difference? Don't you know the difference between a comet and an asteroid? Do you think comets are invisible? No. Do you? In terms of detection, there is no difference between an earth-crossing asteroid and a short period comet. Oh really? If you're arguing that the main threat is a long-period comet, then fine. But a space-based sensor won't help you in that case. Really? ... That's simply not true unless you're talking about significant aperture and a huge number of CCD detectors (gigapixel class). How much aperture are you talking about putting up in orbit? You put it on the Moon - see the CAPS study, if NASA has not destroyed all their copies of it. In that case, ask the Chinese space leadership to give you a copy back. The PANSTARRS PS1 telescope construction was completely funded by the Air Force. Gates and Simonyi provided $30 million to LSST (Large Synoptic Survey Telescope). While LSST has the capability to detect smaller NEOs, this is not its purpose. Then why is NASA advertising it that way - what is NASA doing, lying again? Actually, all it really comes down to again and again and again is the NASA PR machine fobbing off bad impact hazard estimates and bogus impact science. One more time, it wasn't an asteroid that killed the dinosaurs, it was a comet. You seem to have this obsession with comets, the unsubstantiated claim that NASA doesn't care about them, NASA impact risks from comets and asteroids are published, and they're defective. and that somehow we have designed special, hobbled sensors that are blind to them and can only detect asteroids. Its simply the make pretend aspects of NASA's rationalizations that drive me up a wall. And we're all aware of your disdain for Michael Griffin, who nevertheless happens to be one of the smartest people who has ever run NASA. I first met Mike around the time of SEI - at least then he didn't try to pretend that he knew what he was doing. Smartest people to ever run NASA? Try Paine, try Fletcher, try Truly, try Goldin - at least none of them were on Thiokol's payroll. Oh yeah, I really love
[meteorite-list] Speak up for Cottingham
[meteorite-list] From the meteorite-list Admin - posting Ads Art blurtheline at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 00:37:42 EST 2008 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Request for help in ID of a mineral Next message: [meteorite-list] From the meteorite-list Admin - posting Ads Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Good evening! I wanted to send a quick reminder regarding posting ads on the list. While most members do like seeing all of the interesting specimens that are offered for sale on the list, sometimes ads tend to get a bit overwhelming. To keep things from getting out of control please limit ads to one per week. Also remember to start the subject line of the email with 'SALE' or 'AD'. Hope everyone has a wonderful holiday and prosperous new year! Best Regards, Art _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
