Re: [meteorite-list] Speak up for Cottingham
Bill, I will respond. I am curious. Do you belong to some neighborhood watch group or some other neo-nazi group that has nothing better to do. Your time might be better served hunting for meteorites. ADs:, Dec 24th, Jan 7th, Jan 9th, Jan 12th, -Four ads in 20 days. Your right Bill, I am 1 ad over the official limit during that time frame! I am sure glad your keeping track. Good work buddy. Just for the record, I do try and obey the rules, but I am not always perfect. By the way Bill, I have Auctions Ending On Weds/14th in case you collect meteorites and are interested in buying some. Now if you have anything to say to me keep it off the list and send it to me directly. I am sure 99% of the folks don't really care. SPEAK UP FOR COTTINGHAM Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:17 AM, bill kies wrote: [meteorite-list] From the meteorite-list Admin - posting Ads Art blurtheline at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 00:37:42 EST 2008 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Request for help in ID of a mineral Next message: [meteorite-list] From the meteorite-list Admin - posting Ads Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Good evening! I wanted to send a quick reminder regarding posting ads on the list. While most members do like seeing all of the interesting specimens that are offered for sale on the list, sometimes ads tend to get a bit overwhelming. To keep things from getting out of control please limit ads to one per week. Also remember to start the subject line of the email with 'SALE' or 'AD'. Hope everyone has a wonderful holiday and prosperous new year! Best Regards, Art _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Speak up for Cottingham
Nazis?! From: mikew...@gilanet.com To: parkforest...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:35:08 -0700 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Speak up for Cottingham Bill, I will respond. I am curious. Do you belong to some neighborhood watch group or some other neo-nazi group that has nothing better to do. Your time might be better served hunting for meteorites. ADs:, Dec 24th, Jan 7th, Jan 9th, Jan 12th, -Four ads in 20 days. Your right Bill, I am 1 ad over the official limit during that time frame! I am sure glad your keeping track. Good work buddy. Just for the record, I do try and obey the rules, but I am not always perfect. By the way Bill, I have Auctions Ending On Weds/14th in case you collect meteorites and are interested in buying some. Now if you have anything to say to me keep it off the list and send it to me directly. I am sure 99% of the folks don't really care. SPEAK UP FOR COTTINGHAM Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:17 AM, bill kies wrote: [meteorite-list] From the meteorite-list Admin - posting Ads Art blurtheline at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 00:37:42 EST 2008 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Request for help in ID of a mineral Next message: [meteorite-list] From the meteorite-list Admin - posting Ads Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Good evening! I wanted to send a quick reminder regarding posting ads on the list. While most members do like seeing all of the interesting specimens that are offered for sale on the list, sometimes ads tend to get a bit overwhelming. To keep things from getting out of control please limit ads to one per week. Also remember to start the subject line of the email with 'SALE' or 'AD'. Hope everyone has a wonderful holiday and prosperous new year! Best Regards, Art _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: More than 50 one-cent meteorite ending in hours
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Re: [meteorite-list] Comets vs. asteroids
Hi Bob - A great technique - just keep repeating the same falacies again and again and again in different places, and perhaps some of them will stand. As you put it, repeating the same phrase over and over adds nothing to the discussion. So let's simply go to the biggest falacy first: The threats that worry you we have absolutely zero ability to prevent, and Knowledge of the threat doesn't mean a lot when you have no means of preventing it. Coming from SDIO, you know about SSHCL, solid state heat capacity lasers, and they can be used to divert anything if it is found early enough. There's tsar bombas as well. We're finding the planet killers and continent killers at a pretty fast clip. and Within a few years we will have found and ruled out all of the potential state-sized killers. NASA is now finding the larger and brighter asteroids at a fairly fast clip (and by the way, getting NASA to do even that was a battle, and I've got bad scars to prove it). NASA can not adequately detect major parts of the impact hazard, specifically 75 m dead comet chunks and Long Period Comets. Now that's news there - are your IR detectors capable of finding 75 m objects with the luminence of a chunk of charcoal at several lunar distances? Surely you must know that most catalogued asteroids are about as dark as charcoal. Typical reflectivities are 6-10%. But what is the reflectivity of carbonaceous chondrite, the darkest of the dark? I'm sure some list members can give us the exact numbers. I chose a physical dimension because the radiance units (watts/cm^2-sr) would likely be of no help to you. I'm sure some list members can break it down to photons per bucket, if you want to try it - or see the CAPS study, where that was done, that is if NASA has not destroyed all their copies of it. You can find them just fine in the visible; even better in the IR. Okay, even better in the IR, so why isn't NASA using it? And LIDAR and radar work even better. Where are our space based NEO detectors? It's not the brightness that's the problem, it's the revisit rate -- a classic surveillance problem. Count on no revisits. Dead comet fragments may well come along Long Period Comet paths. Adding one satellite helps incrementally, but it's no magic bullet. Well, it's better than no bullet at all. Concerning CAPS, you wrote: Well, now you're REALLY talking about some money. I doubt anyone could do it for under ten billion and in less than 10 years. That's a pretty expensive insurance policy, in return for a very small incremental benefit. It's not going to pass a Congressional cost- benefit analysis. It already did pass - that's why the Congress passed the George Brown Jr. ammendment to NASA's charter. As far as the benefits go, apparently the Congress did not trust NASA's numbers, and rightly so. Now since we're going to return to the Moon to keep up with China, why don't we do something useful while we're there? E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote: From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Subject: RE: Comets vs. asteroids To: epgrond...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:02 AM Hi E.P., What you have to weigh that high cost against is the fact that mankind nearly went the way of the dinosaur several times over the last six million years, and several mt DNA groups disappeared more recently than that, and several nations disappeared more recently than that. Well, where do you draw the line on the expense of your insurance policy, when there is no way to cash it in if you're right? We're finding the planet killers and continent killers at a pretty fast clip. Launching a satellite or two to join in the search is a bit like confiscating shampoo bottles from airline passengers: it's security theater. (No one is in the least bit safer on jet airlines, btw -- just more inconvenienced and irritated.) Within a few years we will have found and ruled out all of the potential state-sized killers. Beyond that, you're money is probably better spent elsewhere. Of course, the difference between you and myself is in our estimates of the risk. Mine is built on historical and geological data... yours on hopes and Morrison's theoretical models. My threat estimate is based on my own math and understanding of solar system dynamics. Speaking of money, how many tens of millions has NASA wasted looking for Nemesis? Seems to me you're simply looking for your own version of Nemesis. What makes your Moby Dick comet any more urgent or probable in the next five centuries? The risk, while real, is puny compared to more mundane threats. While we certainly have a lot of mundane threats, risk equals probability of occurrence versus loss per occurrence. Knowledge of the threat
[meteorite-list] NWA 5480 thin section image
I thought some of you might like to see a thin section image of the awesome new NWA 5480 Olivine diogenite I had made. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA_5480_11.jpg Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5480 thin section image
Job well done! That is a beautiful image. Tom In a message dated 1/13/2009 9:56:14 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com writes: I thought some of you might like to see a thin section image of the awesome new NWA 5480 Olivine diogenite I had made. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA_5480_11.jpg Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 5480 thin section image
Greg writes: I thought some of you might like to see a thin section image of the awesome new NWA 5480 Olivine diogenite I had made http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA_5480_11.jpg Beautiful, all the vivid colors of these olivines and pyroxenes in x-pol. light! Thanks, Greg, for sharing with us! Best from Germany, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com for sale
Hello, only 17 days left for bidding. Don't forget to send to me your sealed bids. On january 31, at midnight, it will be too late. More info : http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-January/048615.html Pierre-Marie Pele www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Zag for $1.50 per Gram
All of the Zag has been sold Thanks ___ I sold a 55 gram slice so the total weight of the lot has dropped to 243 grams, at $1.50 per gram it would cost about $365 which isn't bad for 12 slices ___ By the way, if anyone is interested in a single slice the $2 per gram cost applies. Thanks ___ If anyone is interested in all of my remaining Zag stock I will sell it to you at $1.50 per gram According to my web site I have 13 slices left that weigh 298 grams. You can view the slices by clicking this http://home.roadrunner.com/~bobadebt/Subpages/FS%20Zag.htm If interested email me off list at bobadebt @ ec.rr.com Thanks ___ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] tucson 2009
Good evening list.I was just wondering if any our good european friends were coming to tucson this year.We do not see very many of you very often.It would be great to see some of you. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! a rel=nofollow target=_blank href=http://chicagometeorites.net/;http://chicagometeorites.net//a __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD:Tichka new fall is ready for sale now
Hi List , There are few specimens from the tichka new fall for sale now. contact me off the list if it is interested. cheers Said Haddany __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 3 more images of NWA 5480 thin section
Here are 3 more images of a different thin section that was made from NWA 5480 material from Greg Hupe. This new meteorite makes some impressive thin sections. All 3 of these have outstanding features and are really neat to look at. I would place the NWA 5480 as one of my nicest thin section samples in my collection and a must have for thin section collectors. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA_5480_3.jpg This one shows real interesting features. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA_5480_4.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA_5480_5.jpg Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad
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[meteorite-list] eucrite fall on ebay millbillillie
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpaleoasis i have 2 NICE eucrite individuals on ebay for one-dollar, no reserve. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Comets vs. asteroids
Hi Bob - There were so many falacies in your post that with my stroke damage I let some major howlers get through in my reply. So I wrote: Wernher von Braun said it a long time ago: solids lack abort modes. and you wrote: True; then again, Roman Candles burn nice and slow. Cryogenic liquid tanks explode. Choose your poison. --Rob Actually, turbine, combustion chamber and propellant line failures give some warning, and the ahutdown/abort systems can be brought into play. Not so with solids, which have sudden catastrophic failure modes - though the Direct team has re-sensored the SRBs to deal with this as best as can be done. Why Mike resized the CEV so that it exceeded EELV capablities and required a large solid launcher is a great question. Given your work with Griffin in SDIO, I would ask about the need for large solid launchers for defense purposes, but then this is a public forum. I assume Garver, Ladwig, and Obama already know, they''ll share want they want to with us sometime next week, or within the next few months. Well, where do you draw the line on the expense of your insurance policy Ask the Chinese. Their national emblem is a dragon commemorating a comet; their first emperor was killed in an impact event; they lost nearly all their commercial shipping fleet to impact mega-tsunami around 1431 CE, which left them open to foreign attack and centuries of suffering. I haven't broken CAPS out into CZ5 launches yet, to come up with remin costs. Whatever the cost, the value returned by CAPS far exceeds the value of flying a few men to Mars for a few days. In any case, it is highly unlikely that China will bear this cost by itself, but quite likely that other nations will want to participate with them in CAPS by the 2020's. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote: From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Subject: RE: Comets vs. asteroids To: epgrond...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:02 AM Hi E.P., What you have to weigh that high cost against is the fact that mankind nearly went the way of the dinosaur several times over the last six million years, and several mt DNA groups disappeared more recently than that, and several nations disappeared more recently than that. Well, where do you draw the line on the expense of your insurance policy, when there is no way to cash it in if you're right? We're finding the planet killers and continent killers at a pretty fast clip. Launching a satellite or two to join in the search is a bit like confiscating shampoo bottles from airline passengers: it's security theater. (No one is in the least bit safer on jet airlines, btw -- just more inconvenienced and irritated.) Within a few years we will have found and ruled out all of the potential state-sized killers. Beyond that, you're money is probably better spent elsewhere. Of course, the difference between you and myself is in our estimates of the risk. Mine is built on historical and geological data... yours on hopes and Morrison's theoretical models. My threat estimate is based on my own math and understanding of solar system dynamics. Speaking of money, how many tens of millions has NASA wasted looking for Nemesis? Seems to me you're simply looking for your own version of Nemesis. What makes your Moby Dick comet any more urgent or probable in the next five centuries? The risk, while real, is puny compared to more mundane threats. While we certainly have a lot of mundane threats, risk equals probability of occurrence versus loss per occurrence. Knowledge of the threat doesn't mean a lot when you have no means of preventing it. We ~barely~ have the technology to prevent an impact that is, say, a decade out. The threats that worry you we have absolutely zero ability to prevent, any more than a supervolcano eruption in Yellowstone. The smart money is spent on those threats that we CAN do something about. The odds of a 75-meter impactor (of any flavor) are indeed close to one, but only if you're willing to wait long enough. But you can't say the odds of being blind-sided by one are unity With NASA's current and planned detectors, yes I can. Okay, you can say it, but that doesn't make it true. ;-) -- we have space-based sensors operating 24/7 Now that's news there - are your IR detectors capable of finding 75 m objects with the luminence of a chunk of charcoal at several lunar distances? Surely you must know that most catalogued asteroids are about as dark as charcoal. Typical reflectivities are 6-10%. You can find them just fine in the visible; even better in the IR. and dozens of highly capable ground-based instruments scattered around the globe, so there is at least some chance of spotting such an
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 14, 2009
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[meteorite-list] FW: Comets vs. asteroids
Hi E.P., I hesitate to respond from work since the oddities of the MetList prevent my posts from reaching it when I reply from my work e-mail address (perhaps to the relief of many members). Nevertheless, I'll press on and forward the message from my home account when I get there (though the subject matter is veering off-topic, and few people care about this subject). Hi Bob - [FYI, Bob is not my name. I realize that it's a popular short version of Robert, but I have never signed an email by anything other than Rob.] There were so many falacies in your post that with my stroke damage I let some major howlers get through in my reply. E.P. (Ed?) -- I don't post falacies, I post facts. On those occasions when I post opinions, I label them as such. You're not going to trip me up when the subject matter is solar system dynamics, comets, asteroids, optics, physics, orbital mechanics or general astronomy, so please don't even try. Actually, turbine, combustion chamber and propellant line failures give some warning, and the (s)hutdown/abort systems can be brought into play. Not so with solids, which have sudden catastrophic failure modes ... I don't think I need to remind you that it wasn't the Shuttle's SRBs that exploded -- it was the External Tank. Yes, the SRBs were *responsible* for rupturing that tank, but that wasn't a fault of the solid propellant. If the Shuttle had been 100% solids it wouldn't have exploded. The crew would still have been lost (since there was no escape option in 1986), but *had* there been a rapid egress system, their chances of survival certainly would have been better if they hadn't been riding a liquid bomb. Why Mike resized the CEV so that it exceeded EELV capablities and required a large solid launcher is a great question. Given your work with Griffin in SDIO, I would ask about the need for large solid launchers for defense purposes, but then this is a public forum. I assume Garver, Ladwig, and Obama already know, they'll share want they want to with us sometime next week... Completely off-topic and of no interest to me. Well, where do you draw the line on the expense of your insurance policy Ask the Chinese. Their national emblem is a dragon commemorating a comet; their first emperor was killed in an impact event; they lost nearly all their commercial shipping fleet to impact mega- tsunami around 1431 CE, which left them open to foreign attack and centuries of suffering. That's a cop-out -- I'm not asking the Chinese, I'm asking you. How much money are you willing to throw at this perceived deficiency? If you were presenting a proposal to Congress or the American people, do you really think your ancient Chinese examples would be that persuasive? I haven't broken CAPS out into CZ5 launches yet, to come up with remin costs. Whatever the cost, the value returned by CAPS far exceeds the value of flying a few men to Mars for a few days. To average citizens in 2009 trying to stay in their homes and feed their families, I'd say there was little value in either activity. The only way you'll get their attention is through extortion: perhaps threatening to deprive them of American Idol or The Bachelor. --Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Deans big Ebay news update + NZ FOSSILS
I have decided that I will (For the next few months anyway) retire my main ebay user id AMUNRE In its place I will be using a new ebay user id EARTHLYTREASURES_NZ. See link here: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItemssince=1userid=earthlytreasures_nzinclude=0rows=200sort=3completed=1 I have over 100 meteorites now listed on my new user id and in a weeks time will list lots more. Some great NWA's listed including some nice crusted stuff listed at 99 cents. Check them out now to get first pickings as there is some nice stuff there. I will slowly run down and move all of the old AMUNRE listings to the new id but I would rather sell them instead so if you see anything of interest in my old AMUNRE id (There are over 900 auctions listed of all sorts of stuff) let me know as I am into making a deal. I also have found a great source for rarely seen New Zealand fossils. The fossils on this website: http://www.earthlytreasures.co.nz/pages/nzfossilpage1.html These are all priced in New Zealand dollars so US dollar paying customers gets a 42% discount on the fossils on this one website. I also have NZ fossils listed on both my ebay user id's (Ebay ones all priced in US dollars). Sincerely DEAN BESSEY www.meteoriteshop.com www.earthlytreasures.co.nz earthlytreasures_nz on Ebay AMUNRE on Ebay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
