Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
Hi, Knowing full well that it would be wiser to steer clear of a spot (the List) which is one of the few places in the United States where a certain good feeling is not in evidence tonight, I foolishly plunge right in. I say good feeling if for no other reason than to celebrate a peaceful and lawful transfer of power that has continued unbroken since 1788, something rare in the last 220 years of history for most nations of this Earth. violated the Geneva Conventions (emphasis removed) The Geneva Conventions apply ONLY to the uniformed armed forces of a nation as well as to members of such militias or volunteer corps that form part of those armed forces in a declared war. Do we even have declared wars anymore? The Taliban is not a nation. Neither is Al Qaedah. Their forces are not uniformed. They are not organized by ranks under superior officers. They do not conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. All of these are requirements for the Convention to apply. Moreover, the nation of which they might be the armed forces (if there were one) must be a prior signatory to the Convention. (Afghanistan, even before the Taliban existed, was not a signatory nation.) True, a certain President pledged to treat these prisoners according to the Convention, but I strongly doubt he even understood what he was saying. The Convention requires, among other things, that they be allowed to receive by post or by any other means individual parcels or collective shipments containing, in particular, foodstuffs, clothing, medical supplies and articles of a religious, educational or recreational character which may meet their needs, including books, devotional articles, scientific equipment, examination papers, musical instruments, sports outfits and materials allowing prisoners of war to pursue their studies or their cultural activities. The only thing missing from that list is hi-speed internet access. The only reason it's missing is that the Conventions are a century old, are utterly out of touch with reality, have always been out of touch with reality. However, since the prisoners currently in question were not uniformed soldiers of a nation engaged in lawful war, the whole point is moot. No soccer uniforms for Al Qaedah, no trombones and violins for the Gitmo Band and Orchestra, no scientific equipment and how many pounds of ammonium nitrate was it that you needed for these science experiments? Attempting to apply the Geneva Convention to the real world generates nothing but absurdities. As long ago as WWII, it was completely out of touch. A spy behind enemy lines who was not wearing his uniform (and who would?) could and would be shot summarily, as would an escaped POW in a civilian suit. Resistance fighters were terrorists. But the world is not like that anymore. How does an 18-year-old girl wearing a bomb vest into a mosque in Iraq fit into the underlying conceptions of the Geneva Conventions? Or a Saudi grad student highjacking an airliner and flying it into a building? What does the Geneva Convention have to say about cutting off hostages' heads with comic opera swords on video? As a charge, the issue of the Geneva Convention is entirely irrelevant. The question of what should have been done, of what was done and why and how it was done, and how to resolve it are all vital concerns, but the Geneva Convention is neither here nor there in that matter. The question of our policy has to be resolved on its own merit or lack thereof. And lastly, the Geneva Convention is not a Law; it is a Treaty, or more precisely a Contract, between the signatory nations. There are no penalties for violating it, and any nation that is a party to it can withdraw at any time. The full text of the Convention on Prisoners can be found at: http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm Ironically, if the Geneva Convention had been in force in 1776, it would NOT have applied to a rebellion or insurrection or other treasonous activities carried out within the lawful territory of a nation (that is, the British Empire) by various malcontents and purveyors of radical subversive democratic doctrines. In fact, George III declared American combatants traitors in 1775, denied them any POW status, and ordered their execution. Initially, these American terrorists were simply hung, but once there were British prisoners of the Americans as well, instant executions stopped. The British solution to the POW problem was put captured American forces on damaged or disabled naval vessels anchored off shore and then forget to feed them. The treatment was sufficiently bad that the vast majority of all American POW's died of starvation or disease, in numbers far greater than those killed in actual combat. Guantanamo is not good, but it's a lot better than that. In 1782, just before the war ended, American prisoners were declared legal POW's by the British Parliament. Possibly this was only because WE captured an entire British Army
Re: [meteorite-list] Quack Quack, Blah Blah Blah
Where is the honor in feeding the ducks? Looks like we're all in the kettle now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDJgPCNzt5E Kindly buy some lemonade from the rest of us before the economy collapses :( -Original Message- From: Michael L Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com; John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:41 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Quack Quack, Blah Blah Blah on 1/20/09 8:23 PM, GREG LINDH at gee...@msn.com wrote: Taking an honorable stand is more important than being in with the in crowd. Does that make sense? Greg Lindh Where is the honor in feeding the ducks? Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
Hola All, I think the point of the pro-Obama's is that the (supposedly quiet/innocent) Bush supporters in this case are simply being hypocrites. They're telling people to stop posting their opinions and then including little pro-Bush bits in their messages. In almost every post, that's been the case. The Obama supporters say their bit, and then the Bush fellows come out and say you're wrong to bring your political views to the list - by the way, you're an idiot, Bush was good. Come onare we all kids on here? I'm probably the only one posting who can lay any claim to that, and I think I'll refrain from the same rubbish. Hmmm - I will say this, as one who voted - either way, only time will tell. Jason On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi, Knowing full well that it would be wiser to steer clear of a spot (the List) which is one of the few places in the United States where a certain good feeling is not in evidence tonight, I foolishly plunge right in. I say good feeling if for no other reason than to celebrate a peaceful and lawful transfer of power that has continued unbroken since 1788, something rare in the last 220 years of history for most nations of this Earth. violated the Geneva Conventions (emphasis removed) The Geneva Conventions apply ONLY to the uniformed armed forces of a nation as well as to members of such militias or volunteer corps that form part of those armed forces in a declared war. Do we even have declared wars anymore? The Taliban is not a nation. Neither is Al Qaedah. Their forces are not uniformed. They are not organized by ranks under superior officers. They do not conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. All of these are requirements for the Convention to apply. Moreover, the nation of which they might be the armed forces (if there were one) must be a prior signatory to the Convention. (Afghanistan, even before the Taliban existed, was not a signatory nation.) True, a certain President pledged to treat these prisoners according to the Convention, but I strongly doubt he even understood what he was saying. The Convention requires, among other things, that they be allowed to receive by post or by any other means individual parcels or collective shipments containing, in particular, foodstuffs, clothing, medical supplies and articles of a religious, educational or recreational character which may meet their needs, including books, devotional articles, scientific equipment, examination papers, musical instruments, sports outfits and materials allowing prisoners of war to pursue their studies or their cultural activities. The only thing missing from that list is hi-speed internet access. The only reason it's missing is that the Conventions are a century old, are utterly out of touch with reality, have always been out of touch with reality. However, since the prisoners currently in question were not uniformed soldiers of a nation engaged in lawful war, the whole point is moot. No soccer uniforms for Al Qaedah, no trombones and violins for the Gitmo Band and Orchestra, no scientific equipment and how many pounds of ammonium nitrate was it that you needed for these science experiments? Attempting to apply the Geneva Convention to the real world generates nothing but absurdities. As long ago as WWII, it was completely out of touch. A spy behind enemy lines who was not wearing his uniform (and who would?) could and would be shot summarily, as would an escaped POW in a civilian suit. Resistance fighters were terrorists. But the world is not like that anymore. How does an 18-year-old girl wearing a bomb vest into a mosque in Iraq fit into the underlying conceptions of the Geneva Conventions? Or a Saudi grad student highjacking an airliner and flying it into a building? What does the Geneva Convention have to say about cutting off hostages' heads with comic opera swords on video? As a charge, the issue of the Geneva Convention is entirely irrelevant. The question of what should have been done, of what was done and why and how it was done, and how to resolve it are all vital concerns, but the Geneva Convention is neither here nor there in that matter. The question of our policy has to be resolved on its own merit or lack thereof. And lastly, the Geneva Convention is not a Law; it is a Treaty, or more precisely a Contract, between the signatory nations. There are no penalties for violating it, and any nation that is a party to it can withdraw at any time. The full text of the Convention on Prisoners can be found at: http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm Ironically, if the Geneva Convention had been in force in 1776, it would NOT have applied to a rebellion or insurrection or other treasonous activities carried out within the lawful territory of a nation (that is, the British Empire) by various malcontents and
Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
Intelligence is abound and selfish reasoning defy logic. Let's talk about pizza! I like pizza! Do you like Pizza? Makes about as much sense... Eric Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:39:46 -0700 To: Howard Steffic bencub...@hotmail.com CC: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Howard, I keep reading about how this list is supposed to be just all about meteorites, then someone like you prints something hateful and strictly political and almost no one says a word. I've never been partial to hypocrisy, so every time I see an email that has *nothing* to do with meteorites and everything to do with hate, I call the individual on it. Tell me, Howard, what did your email have to do with the subject of this list...namely meteorites? Perhaps it would be OK if once a week or so I were to bring up things of a political nature that I'd like to air out. Would you like that? Is that OK with the rest of the list? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Howard Steffic bencub...@hotmail.com To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over I thought the day would never come. May the Haag indict him and BIG DICK cheney for war crimes. Howard Steffic __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Don't Feed The Trolls!
/Hi list, /Though we all do at time respond to idiocy and hypocrisies with logic in the hopes that somehow they will listen, we forget that they don't want to listen but only deviate topics for their own selfish reasons and cause hurt feelings, arguments, and all around distasteful remarks that are terribly off-topic. The old cliche that misery loves company comes to mind. Trolls are all about drama and have NOTHING better to do than to create controversy by being totally vulgar and inappropriate to topic for one reason. To satisfy their incessant and pathetic obsession for attention and their addiction to debate. They're lonely, opinionated people who have been self-ostracized by their own beliefs and relish the attention their comments receive. Again... Don't Feed The Trolls Regards, Eric __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [AD?] Tucson 09 Major New Gem Show Website
Hi Michael, Just browse through Geoff's Tucson website and you will find links to maps showing all the ramp closures...doesn't look like much has changed since last year. Graham Michael Chamberlain mike.chamberl...@comcast.net wrote: Just one question on Tucson 09...is the freeway still under construction and are all the offramp still closed? - Original Message - From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD?] Tucson 09 Major New Gem Show Website Dear Listees: Greetings all. Not sure if this is an ad or a service announcement? : ) Well, it is warm and sunny in Tucson today, and I hear from one of my spies downtown that the big parking lots are being cleared out in preparation for the tents to go up. This will be my 13th consecutive gem show and, in all that time, I've always felt there was something missing -- an original, up-to-date website dedicated exclusively to the Tucson shows. Yes, there are lots of websites with dates and listings and show reviews, and so on, but I wanted more. So, we built one for you. The new site was designed, written, researched and photographed entirely by gem show professionals who live and work here in Tucson. As such, we offer all kinds of local insider information that Colored Stone and the like just don't have. The new site contains, among other things: - A hip restaurant and dining guide with a multitude of restaurant and cafe tips; most recommended venues are located very close to the shows - Tucson bar, music and nightlife guide - A brilliant essay on how to make the most of the show by Tucson native and show professional Lisa Marie of Sirocco Design - Where to stay: A guide to some of my favorite Tucson hotels, many of which often still have rooms at or near showtime - The best day trips out of Tucson, with photos and contact info - A gallery of our favorite show photos from the past 12 years - Pages on the weather, a brief history of Tucson, and general visitor's info including road closures - And, of course, a complete listing of every one of the 45+ shows, with locations, dates, contact info. As there are a couple of new, independent, local shows opening this year, we actually have THE most complete show listing of any of the guides We will also be adding a Special Events page with details about Michael's auction, the Birthday Bash, etc. This website is intended as a service to the community. I hope you enjoy it and find it useful: www.tucsongemandmineralshows.net A SPECIAL OFFER TO LIST MEMBERS To mark the launch of the new site, I am making a one-time special offer to Meteorite List members. I am offering a very limited number of FREE featured vendor listings to list members who will be exhibitors at the '09 gem show, with a photo, details about your showroom and business, and a link to your website. If you would like your site to be considered, please email me OFF-LIST for details. Here are the current featured listings: http://tucsongemandmineralshows.net/tucson-show-vendors.htm In addition,we will consider link exchanges with any List member sites (non Tucson vendors) from our links page. I fully expect www.tucsongemandmineralshows.net to become one of the top online gem show resources, so this is a great PR opportunity for your site or business. Please contact me off- List for details. Finally, the Tenth Annual Meteor Mayhem Birthday Bash and Harvey Awards will take place on Friday, February 6 at a very chic, new downtown Tucson venue. I will post details separately. Looking forward to seeing many of you here, very soon! Brings shorts and sunglasses : ) Regards, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.tucsongemandmineralshows.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re. Good By Bush - the nightmare is over (HowardSteffic)
Actually it was almost right. It's Den Haag as in Nederland ;-) Rob - Original Message - From: cmcdon0...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re. Good By Bush - the nightmare is over (HowardSteffic) Hey Howie. While it's certainly your right to advertise your opinion, try not to be so ignorant when you do it. It's The Hague (as in Netherlands)not Haag (as in Robert). -- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:47:41 -0700 From: Howard Steffic bencub...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: col118-w280a3654cdb47a28afac8fb7...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 I thought the day would never come. May the Haag indict him and BIG DICK cheney for war crimes. Howard Steffic __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] let george go and lets move on
Good morning list.I came home from bowling last night and had 52 emails,after leaving with none.46 were about george bush.HEY HE'S GONE!!!Let him go and let's get back to our meteorite's.This is a great time for meteorite's and anything related to this great hobby.My god,4 fireballs,2 falls (canada and morocco) and the best of all the tucson show is right around the corner.For collecters this is the best time of the year.I know politics will be around forever,but the show only comes around once a year.This crap happen's every time someone once to vent his or her opinion on something non meteoritic.And what happen's this thing just EXPLODESPlease lets give it a rest and just get back to meteorites.I just bought an 82 gram BENSOUR from mike farmer.Hell I am looking forward to that piece.Never had one that big or seen anything that big from bensour.This is what I mean.PASSION for this hobby.Lets get back to it,and dump the politics.PLEASEI hope everyone has a great meteorite day and let politics take care of itself. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! a rel=nofollow target=_blank href=http://chicagometeorites.net/;http://chicagometeorites.net//a __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 788 Current Price?
Hi List, Does anyone know the current price for NWA 788? Contact me OFF-LIST please... Thanks... Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Apology to the List
Hello All, Phew, what a shock it was when I read all those mails. I did not expect to polarize listees and listoids into pro-XY and anti-YX. Just don't do it on a List that's devoted to meteorites. It only takes *one* to correspond to start the ball rolling That *one* was me and I now see I shouldn't have posted that mail. It was not meteorite-related and presidential elections are a far cry from meteorites. I just shouldn't have brought it up! Please, accept my apologies! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
Geez! A feller misses a lot by going to sleep at night. I can answer those concerns with one word.Palin !!! Now that was one scary person to have one heartbeat away from the presidency. S'matter Don? Afraid of powerful, confident women? You think Lyin' Joe 'Logorrhea' Biden is any less scary? If you genuinely think someone was corrupt, incompitent, and VIOLATED THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS--and say so-- that makes you a hater? No, Darren, it makes you an idiot, and a bad speller. The Geneva Convention applies to uniformed combatants operating under the auspices of a State. Al Queeda has neither. Where is the honor in feeding the ducks? What do you have against ducks, Captain Blood? I have 80% of this country, and more like 99% of the world on my side on this one. Mr. Farmer, you're nuts! Bam's percentage of the vote was in the low 50s. The Arabs are all inflamed and calling him the 'house negro', and they count for a lot more than 1%. Hell, probably 20% of the world doesn't even recognize the name Obama. OBAMA could go on a permanent vacation and still do a better job than the Criminal Regime we just go rid of. If only, Howard. What a great day it is. A president that is for us, not for himself! Sonny, you must be under 20 to suffer from this level of naivete. That massive ego trip in Denver for Bam's acceptance speech screamed me! me!! me!!! Having said that, NASA seem, now, to be committed to a return to the moon. I am delighted by that as a citizen of the world. Rob, show some respect. It's Citizen of the World. Be sure to send in your World taxes to do your fair share in supporting all this happy horseshit. If you didn't vote then shut up. If you did vote and your pick didn't win, you have a right to complain, but not on this forum, please. If you voted and your pick did win, then celebrate, but please not on this forum Close, Pete. Try this If you didn't vote then SHUT UP. If you did vote and your pick didn't win, then SHUT UP. If you voted and your pick did win, then SHUT UP. I am just so happy right now! Jeff, see Sonny above. There's a lot to not like about Dubya but his popularity rating is not as low as that of Congress, and we still have those bastards in office. Where is all the fulminating hatred for them? They are the ones that actually allocate and approve the money for everything from wars to welfare to wocket ships to the moon. If they had had any balls, they could have easily reined in the so-caller criminal regime, but nooo. Even for the last 2 years in a Democrat controlled congress they couldn't take any action. Pussies! Before you all start flaming my mailbox about being off-topic, know that this post is about meteorites, i.e., space rocks, or, simply, rocks, which many listees seem to have between their ears. Get over Bush. Get over Obama. Look forward to getting screwed, blewed, and tattooed by the new administration, just like you did by the old one, and the one before that, and the one... Paul Swartz __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apology to the List
Well I enjoyed it, its nice to know that we spend some time thinking about other things in the world -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Sent: 21 January 2009 15:05 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Apology to the List Hello All, Phew, what a shock it was when I read all those mails. I did not expect to polarize listees and listoids into pro-XY and anti-YX. Just don't do it on a List that's devoted to meteorites. It only takes *one* to correspond to start the ball rolling That *one* was me and I now see I shouldn't have posted that mail. It was not meteorite-related and presidential elections are a far cry from meteorites. I just shouldn't have brought it up! Please, accept my apologies! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
Hi Val... Thanks for putting me first on your little rant against everyone under the sun. Concerning Palin I am just afraid of uneducated, fundamentalist whackjobs running this country. Don Rawlings --- On Wed, 1/21/09, valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com wrote: From: valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 10:46 AM Geez! A feller misses a lot by going to sleep at night. I can answer those concerns with one word.Palin !!! Now that was one scary person to have one heartbeat away from the presidency. S'matter Don? Afraid of powerful, confident women? You think Lyin' Joe 'Logorrhea' Biden is any less scary? If you genuinely think someone was corrupt, incompitent, and VIOLATED THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS--and say so-- that makes you a hater? No, Darren, it makes you an idiot, and a bad speller. The Geneva Convention applies to uniformed combatants operating under the auspices of a State. Al Queeda has neither. Where is the honor in feeding the ducks? What do you have against ducks, Captain Blood? I have 80% of this country, and more like 99% of the world on my side on this one. Mr. Farmer, you're nuts! Bam's percentage of the vote was in the low 50s. The Arabs are all inflamed and calling him the 'house negro', and they count for a lot more than 1%. Hell, probably 20% of the world doesn't even recognize the name Obama. OBAMA could go on a permanent vacation and still do a better job than the Criminal Regime we just go rid of. If only, Howard. What a great day it is. A president that is for us, not for himself! Sonny, you must be under 20 to suffer from this level of naivete. That massive ego trip in Denver for Bam's acceptance speech screamed me! me!! me!!! Having said that, NASA seem, now, to be committed to a return to the moon. I am delighted by that as a citizen of the world. Rob, show some respect. It's Citizen of the World. Be sure to send in your World taxes to do your fair share in supporting all this happy horseshit. If you didn't vote then shut up. If you did vote and your pick didn't win, you have a right to complain, but not on this forum, please. If you voted and your pick did win, then celebrate, but please not on this forum Close, Pete. Try this If you didn't vote then SHUT UP. If you did vote and your pick didn't win, then SHUT UP. If you voted and your pick did win, then SHUT UP. I am just so happy right now! Jeff, see Sonny above. There's a lot to not like about Dubya but his popularity rating is not as low as that of Congress, and we still have those bastards in office. Where is all the fulminating hatred for them? They are the ones that actually allocate and approve the money for everything from wars to welfare to wocket ships to the moon. If they had had any balls, they could have easily reined in the so-caller criminal regime, but nooo. Even for the last 2 years in a Democrat controlled congress they couldn't take any action. Pussies! Before you all start flaming my mailbox about being off-topic, know that this post is about meteorites, i.e., space rocks, or, simply, rocks, which many listees seem to have between their ears. Get over Bush. Get over Obama. Look forward to getting screwed, blewed, and tattooed by the new administration, just like you did by the old one, and the one before that, and the one... Paul Swartz __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apology to the List
Hello Bernd, I think it is fairly safe to say that you have nothing to apologize for. The day of the 9-11 attacks? You were among the first to post what I thought was a thoughtful and sympathetic post. Many people did. That post wasn't meteorite-related but it was appreciated. I remember a few years ago a certain list member went off on some diatribe (as he usually did) and after your response, he stopped posting. You did the list a service then, as you usually do. That post wasn't meteorite-related either, but it was appreciated. Nothnig to apologize for. I understood your post for what it was intended to be, wishing a country well. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Apology to the List Hello All, Phew, what a shock it was when I read all those mails. I did not expect to polarize listees and listoids into pro-XY and anti-YX. Just don't do it on a List that's devoted to meteorites. It only takes *one* to correspond to start the ball rolling That *one* was me and I now see I shouldn't have posted that mail. It was not meteorite-related and presidential elections are a far cry from meteorites. I just shouldn't have brought it up! Please, accept my apologies! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1906 - Release Date: 1/21/2009 7:07 AM __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apology to the List
I have to second Walter here. Bernd, you did nothing more than wish our nation well, and I appreciate that. It was not you that made a political remark, but others and it snowballed. Too bad that just wishing a country and it's new president well must be taken and twisted. Michael Farmer --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Walter Branch waltbra...@birch.net wrote: From: Walter Branch waltbra...@birch.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apology to the List To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 9:31 AM Hello Bernd, I think it is fairly safe to say that you have nothing to apologize for. The day of the 9-11 attacks? You were among the first to post what I thought was a thoughtful and sympathetic post. Many people did. That post wasn't meteorite-related but it was appreciated. I remember a few years ago a certain list member went off on some diatribe (as he usually did) and after your response, he stopped posting. You did the list a service then, as you usually do. That post wasn't meteorite-related either, but it was appreciated. Nothnig to apologize for. I understood your post for what it was intended to be, wishing a country well. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Apology to the List Hello All, Phew, what a shock it was when I read all those mails. I did not expect to polarize listees and listoids into pro-XY and anti-YX. Just don't do it on a List that's devoted to meteorites. It only takes *one* to correspond to start the ball rolling That *one* was me and I now see I shouldn't have posted that mail. It was not meteorite-related and presidential elections are a far cry from meteorites. I just shouldn't have brought it up! Please, accept my apologies! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1906 - Release Date: 1/21/2009 7:07 AM __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Reflecting
Reflecting this morning. I regret matters spiraled out of control on the list last night, and I deeply regret my contribution to having inadvertently stoked the coals. I never imagined such an outcome. When I saw Bernd's warm congratulatory note to America and Americans, I thought I might attempt to provide a glimpse of a remarkable aspect of the inaugural which was entirely non-partisan. For many Americans, Inauguration Day is the one day of the year that's not about politics, it's about something so much bigger and it's for each and every one of us; it's a day where politics should stop and we can bask in the wonder of our remarkable country. The most important thing I've learned from seasoned lawyers and politicians is their ability to be respectful of those who do not share their point of view. I loved Rick Warren's invocation for its emphasis on civility---a marker of a true civilization---a marker which seems to be in want, and not only on our beloved list. That was all I was really attempting to convey in my post, my having been witness to a surreal degree of civility. May it last and grow. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apology to the List
Just saw this. Bernd, I completely agree with Walter. Your note was innocent and warm spirited---the sort of thing you do. I'm the one who kicked it up a notch. SORRY!! On Jan 21, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Walter Branch wrote: Hello Bernd, I think it is fairly safe to say that you have nothing to apologize for. The day of the 9-11 attacks? You were among the first to post what I thought was a thoughtful and sympathetic post. Many people did. That post wasn't meteorite-related but it was appreciated. I remember a few years ago a certain list member went off on some diatribe (as he usually did) and after your response, he stopped posting. You did the list a service then, as you usually do. That post wasn't meteorite-related either, but it was appreciated. Nothnig to apologize for. I understood your post for what it was intended to be, wishing a country well. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Apology to the List Hello All, Phew, what a shock it was when I read all those mails. I did not expect to polarize listees and listoids into pro-XY and anti-YX. Just don't do it on a List that's devoted to meteorites. It only takes *one* to correspond to start the ball rolling That *one* was me and I now see I shouldn't have posted that mail. It was not meteorite-related and presidential elections are a far cry from meteorites. I just shouldn't have brought it up! Please, accept my apologies! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1906 - Release Date: 1/21/2009 7:07 AM __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] can this just stop
** Low Priority ** Can we please limit traffic on the list to discussions of meteorite related topics and not America's political leaders. Have those conversations elsewhere, off list. I signed up to this increasingly venomous, nasty, not to mention increasingly useless, list to hear about meteorites. If it is in fact only a soapbox for people to vent their bile then take me off of it. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:46:00 -0700, you wrote: No, Darren, it makes you an idiot, and a bad speller. The Geneva Convention applies to uniformed combatants operating under the auspices of a State. Al Queeda has neither. Bad speller, yes, I always have been. Idiot? No: http://themoderatevoice.com/6863/bush-administration-violated-geneva-conventions-us-supreme-court/ And wherther or not the people we tortured and the civillians we murdered were uniformed is splitting hairs. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Barack Obama - 44th President of the United Statesof America
Hi Bernd, I too have no problem with what you wrote. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being happy for America and expressing your joy. My problem was when the hateful political posts started, and it was those posts that I addressed. Have a good day, Bernd. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Barack Obama - 44th President of the United Statesof America Hello Americans! Hello List, Sincere congratulations! May God bless America! May God bless this great nation! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hussein Obama
You would think that the Arab world (especially the Shiites) would like Barack, if only because of his name. His middle name is is the central figure in their brand of Islam. Also the most sacred relic of Islam is purported to be a meteorite! How cool is that? Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Reflecting
Hello Darryl, Bernd , - I think both of you have to regret nothing in regard to your posts to the list from last night. Darryl, in a spontaneous reaction I've told you how inspiring I found your report. Of course your lines were off topic. But it was so far more interesting and moving than so many meteoritically focused posts dedicated to cause trouble between collectors and dealers, Moroccans and Americans etc. etc. Well, and all the following ballyhoo, transforming your enthusiasm surprisingly into a new battle between red and blue was as needless as a goiter (German manner of speaking ;-) in such a historical moment - especially what concerns the new President of the USA who underlined emphatically the necessarity of non-polarization. My best, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Adam List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Reflecting Reflecting this morning. I regret matters spiraled out of control on the list last night, and I deeply regret my contribution to having inadvertently stoked the coals. I never imagined such an outcome. When I saw Bernd's warm congratulatory note to America and Americans, I thought I might attempt to provide a glimpse of a remarkable aspect of the inaugural which was entirely non-partisan. For many Americans, Inauguration Day is the one day of the year that's not about politics, it's about something so much bigger and it's for each and every one of us; it's a day where politics should stop and we can bask in the wonder of our remarkable country. The most important thing I've learned from seasoned lawyers and politicians is their ability to be respectful of those who do not share their point of view. I loved Rick Warren's invocation for its emphasis on civility---a marker of a true civilization---a marker which seems to be in want, and not only on our beloved list. That was all I was really attempting to convey in my post, my having been witness to a surreal degree of civility. May it last and grow. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hussein Obama
It shows that some people are smart enough to know that a name is meaningless. Who cares What middle name he has. Mike Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jan 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: You would think that the Arab world (especially the Shiites) would like Barack, if only because of his name. His middle name is is the central figure in their brand of Islam. Also the most sacred relic of Islam is purported to be a meteorite! How cool is that? Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
Bush was not the greatest president. Granted! Very disappointing to say the least. But Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread? So far all I've seen is that he has great speech writers, he's a good speaker and he knows how to play the public's emotions. We will see over the next few years just how good he is for freedom loving people. Could be he might even be worse then Bush. Who knows for sure? We will see how great he is for science and space exploration, and the economy, foreign affairs etc. We will see how much he is on the side of Freedom, or if he is more of an authoritarian. I have my suspicions when I see the people he has associated with in the past, and a few of the people he is appointing to positions of power. Is Barack Hussein Obama going to do as much as he can to take America down the road towards Socialism? Anyways, here's an interesting story about his family. I hope that since Obama is a President, he might now help some of the closer relatives out a bit. http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-obamaclan22-2008nov22,0,3759868.story?page=1 Now back to meteorites. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
Now back to meteorites - that is until the next person replies to your post and says Now back to meteorites. It only gets back to meteorites if people give it a rest. All sorts of views have been expressed about yesterday, and it's time to move on. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: caton...@sympatico.ca To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over Bush was not the greatest president. Granted! Very disappointing to say the least. But Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread? So far all I've seen is that he has great speech writers, he's a good speaker and he knows how to play the public's emotions. We will see over the next few years just how good he is for freedom loving people. Could be he might even be worse then Bush. Who knows for sure? We will see how great he is for science and space exploration, and the economy, foreign affairs etc. We will see how much he is on the side of Freedom, or if he is more of an authoritarian. I have my suspicions when I see the people he has associated with in the past, and a few of the people he is appointing to positions of power. Is Barack Hussein Obama going to do as much as he can to take America down the road towards Socialism? Anyways, here's an interesting story about his family. I hope that since Obama is a President, he might now help some of the closer relatives out a bit. http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-obamaclan22-2008nov22,0,3759868.story?page=1 Now back to meteorites. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal, whatever-- I'd like to think that we could all come together and agree that this: http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/obama.html is way cooler than this: http://www.amazon.com/George-Bush-Action-Figure-Flight/dp/B0006FU99G __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
Actually, Mark (Bowling), you're entirely missing *my* point. I'm not saying that they (viz. the Obama supporters) are right in posting their views. But they're not doing it and then telling the Bush supporters to shut up. The Bush supporters are the ones bashing on people for their views and then saying that posting views at all is wrong. Then the Obama supporters defend their views, etc. All you're doing now is pointing your finger and saying they started it. But you're just as wrong for replying in the way that you did. As your mother would undoubtedly say, 'two wrongs don't make a right.' (And the fact that they hit you first doesn't entitle you to hit them back.) My point was that maybe you should (or someone should) take the high road next time. Or you can just say they hit first, and in so doing, choose to perpetuate the cycle. Jason On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com wrote: Now back to meteorites - that is until the next person replies to your post and says Now back to meteorites. It only gets back to meteorites if people give it a rest. All sorts of views have been expressed about yesterday, and it's time to move on. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: caton...@sympatico.ca To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over Bush was not the greatest president. Granted! Very disappointing to say the least. But Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread? So far all I've seen is that he has great speech writers, he's a good speaker and he knows how to play the public's emotions. We will see over the next few years just how good he is for freedom loving people. Could be he might even be worse then Bush. Who knows for sure? We will see how great he is for science and space exploration, and the economy, foreign affairs etc. We will see how much he is on the side of Freedom, or if he is more of an authoritarian. I have my suspicions when I see the people he has associated with in the past, and a few of the people he is appointing to positions of power. Is Barack Hussein Obama going to do as much as he can to take America down the road towards Socialism? Anyways, here's an interesting story about his family. I hope that since Obama is a President, he might now help some of the closer relatives out a bit. http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-obamaclan22-2008nov22,0,3759868.story?page=1 Now back to meteorites. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
You forgot to say Now back to meteorites Lost cause. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over Actually, Mark (Bowling), you're entirely missing *my* point. I'm not saying that they (viz. the Obama supporters) are right in posting their views. But they're not doing it and then telling the Bush supporters to shut up. The Bush supporters are the ones bashing on people for their views and then saying that posting views at all is wrong. Then the Obama supporters defend their views, etc. All you're doing now is pointing your finger and saying they started it. But you're just as wrong for replying in the way that you did. As your mother would undoubtedly say, 'two wrongs don't make a right.' (And the fact that they hit you first doesn't entitle you to hit them back.) My point was that maybe you should (or someone should) take the high road next time. Or you can just say they hit first, and in so doing, choose to perpetuate the cycle. Jason On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com wrote: Now back to meteorites - that is until the next person replies to your post and says Now back to meteorites. It only gets back to meteorites if people give it a rest. All sorts of views have been expressed about yesterday, and it's time to move on. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: caton...@sympatico.ca To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over Bush was not the greatest president. Granted! Very disappointing to say the least. But Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread? So far all I've seen is that he has great speech writers, he's a good speaker and he knows how to play the public's emotions. We will see over the next few years just how good he is for freedom loving people. Could be he might even be worse then Bush. Who knows for sure? We will see how great he is for science and space exploration, and the economy, foreign affairs etc. We will see how much he is on the side of Freedom, or if he is more of an authoritarian. I have my suspicions when I see the people he has associated with in the past, and a few of the people he is appointing to positions of power. Is Barack Hussein Obama going to do as much as he can to take America down the road towards Socialism? Anyways, here's an interesting story about his family. I hope that since Obama is a President, he might now help some of the closer relatives out a bit. http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-obamaclan22-2008nov22,0,3759868.story?page=1 Now back to meteorites. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Who and Where is most active and interested in Fireballs and Meteorites
Meteorite Related! sorry it bounced the first time Dear List, I have added an image showing a cluster map of visitors to the Meteorite News website. I am surprised by the number of people that have taken their time to check the website all in 5 days. Thank you all for your contributions! I have added more news about the Sweden Fireball from Denmark TV2 (given time I will get it translated into broken English), photos of the new Moroccan meteorite fall, photos taken by Larry Stange, and comments made by several of you kind members. Thank you! If you have any suggestions, complaints or something that you would like to contribute please kindly contact me off list. Dark Skies with STARS and FIREBALLS! and hopefully some new METEORITES found, Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ http:www.meteoritesjapan.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Duck pond sale!
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[meteorite-list] OT: New meteorite find
Dear List, I`m sorry for posting something meteorite related here on the list.;-) Please let me show you two pictures of a really amazing new find from the Sahara, a small single stone with a nice orientation and a fresh black crust (very light-weight stone). I had to think for a while whether I should cut this beautiful piece or not. But cutting was worthwhile because the result was much surprising. The cut surface shows two lithologies, which have a very sharp border. Its definitely a chondrite, and probably a carbonaceous chondrite. Enjoy: The uncut main mass: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb-ungesch.jpg The cut surface: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb.jpg I really like this piece because I suppose that it could be something new. Best wishes, Stefan Berlin / Germany www.chladnis-heirs.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: New meteorite find
Awesome specimen. This reminds me of an Allende I had a few years ago that had two distinct lithologies separated by a melt vein. Thanks for sharing, Matt --Original Message-- From: Stefan Ralew Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Jan 21, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: New meteorite find Dear List, I`m sorry for posting something meteorite related here on the list.;-) Please let me show you two pictures of a really amazing new find from the Sahara, a small single stone with a nice orientation and a fresh black crust (very light-weight stone). I had to think for a while whether I should cut this beautiful piece or not. But cutting was worthwhile because the result was much surprising. The cut surface shows two lithologies, which have a very sharp border. Its definitely a chondrite, and probably a carbonaceous chondrite. Enjoy: The uncut main mass: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb-ungesch.jpg The cut surface: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb.jpg I really like this piece because I suppose that it could be something new. Best wishes, Stefan Berlin / Germany www.chladnis-heirs.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: New meteorite find
Really beautiful Stephan! We can even see through the fusion crust that there must be two different structures, which of course is clearly shown on the cut section. The darker side looks like a CV3, but the fair grey one ? I wonder... Anyway, a great find! Cheers Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew ste...@meteoriten.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: New meteorite find Dear List, I`m sorry for posting something meteorite related here on the list.;-) Please let me show you two pictures of a really amazing new find from the Sahara, a small single stone with a nice orientation and a fresh black crust (very light-weight stone). I had to think for a while whether I should cut this beautiful piece or not. But cutting was worthwhile because the result was much surprising. The cut surface shows two lithologies, which have a very sharp border. Its definitely a chondrite, and probably a carbonaceous chondrite. Enjoy: The uncut main mass: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb-ungesch.jpg The cut surface: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb.jpg I really like this piece because I suppose that it could be something new. Best wishes, Stefan Berlin / Germany www.chladnis-heirs.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites Suggests Early Moon ’s Core Had a Magnetic Field
Rock Suggests Early Moon’s Fiery Core Churned a Magnetic Field New York Times, United States - Jan 19, 2009 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/science/space/20moon.html?ref=science Moon Rock Suggests the Young Moon Had a Fiery Core and a Magnetic Field http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/01/20/moon-rock-suggests-the-young-moon-had-a-fiery-core-and-a-magnetic-field/ Tiny Moon Rock Reveals Molten Lunar Core January 20, 2009, 13:40 CST http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1625782/tiny_moon_rock_reveals_molten_lunar_core/ Garrick-Bethell, I., B. P. Weiss, D. L. Shuster, J. and Buz, 2009, Early Lunar Magnetism. Science, vol. 323, no. 5912, pp. 356 - 359 http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5912/356 Yours, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to Last Post - Moonrocks not Meteorites
Dear Friends, The title to my last post should be Moonrocks Suggests Early Moon’s Core Had a Magnetic Field not Meteorites Suggests Early Moon’s Core Had a Magnetic Field. Sorry about the confusion. Best Regards, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Duck pond sale!
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[meteorite-list] Delightfully On-Topic - Re: New meteorite find
Hi Stefan! What a wonderful surprise! :) Every meteorite is like an Easter Egg - there may be a treat inside. And in this case, the inside is even better than the outside. I can understand your reluctance to cut it - the crust with it's delicate textures are lovely enough on their own. Please keep us updated on the eventual classification of this specimen. I am curious what it turns out to be. :) I have a 110gram UNWA that is a whole oriented stone with relatively fresh crust, but it's so beautiful that I can't bring myself to cut it. Now I am rethinking that reluctance! ;) LOL Best regards, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. Message: 12 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:11:52 +0100 From: Stefan Ralew ste...@meteoriten.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: New meteorite find To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 000b01c97c04$80dd25e0$15b2a...@sn107086710318 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Dear List, I`m sorry for posting something meteorite related here on the list.;-) Please let me show you two pictures of a really amazing new find from the Sahara, a small single stone with a nice orientation and a fresh black crust (very light-weight stone). I had to think for a while whether I should cut this beautiful piece or not. But cutting was worthwhile because the result was much surprising. The cut surface shows two lithologies, which have a very sharp border. Its definitely a chondrite, and probably a carbonaceous chondrite. Enjoy: The uncut main mass: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb-ungesch.jpg The cut surface: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb.jpg I really like this piece because I suppose that it could be something new. Best wishes, Stefan Berlin / Germany www.chladnis-heirs.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New meteorite fall Morocco
Hello list, I have been to the place the new meteorite fell and I was lucky to find some pieces myself, you can find pieces from TOURJDALE to OUED AACHIR, the big piece I can say 20 kg, it was fragments and the nomads were there first and pick it up, each one has a piece, and I estimated a 20kg largest piece. you can find small holes in the trajectory of the fall, in the big one we find the sand burned and mixed with the very small fragments. You can beleive me, because I was there and these are the photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34600...@n07/ I don't lie or pretend milligrams or hundereds of kilos, more than 50 per cent of this meteorites are small fragments without crust or have some. I learned on this list more than 500kg were found, and tents kilos were offered for sale, and I'm asking for photos of even 500g. Thank you Aid __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
Hello Bernd and List, in any civilized group of people, either a Nation or a list, or even a little sports or social club, I see no reason a gentleman wishing well to other people must feel the need to apologize for his kind words, if his words are sincere. They shouldn't irritate anyone who has caught the right meaning of democracy, even if he/she is on the loser side. As to whether off topic political comments should enter the list, my little valued opinion is that politics is first of all passion, just like any other genuine human activity, meteorite collecting/hunting/selling/studying among the others, so isn't it forgivable to offer a few lines of our precious internet space to such a non-meteoritical but rather important event like the USA presidential election? (sorry in advance for any capital letter I may have missed). Does it happen sometimes that people in a fishing club do not speak of the biggest fish and chat about politics? Just a comment or two, to let us remember that we are still social animals able to transfer thoughts and emotions through the speech, possibly a polite one. And Mr. Swartz... idiot is a moral judgement if you apply it to evaluate someone's opinion, and moral judgements are something about even thoughtful philosopher are still pondering. Please remember that Cynism was not used as a privileged position to offend people. Just personal opinions, of course. All the best to everyone. Leandro __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD : Vintage Martian Meteorite Postcards (not reproductions)
Hi Listees! My pre-spring cleaning continues I have 10 (ten) vintage meteorite postcards. These were printed sometime in the 1980's, but are undated. All of these cards are in near-mint condition and have not been marked or mailed. These are perfect for display or framing. The meteorite shown in the color photo is Elephant Moraine A79001. At the time of the photo, it did not have it's final classification. It is a 7.9kg Martian Shergottite. The Met-Soc Bulletin entry can be found here : http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=10002 On the reverse side of the card is a short paragraph as follows : Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas. Meteorite at JSC believed to be of Martian origin. A meteorite in a dry nitrogen cabinet undergoes study in the meteorite processing lab at Johnson Space Center's planetary and earth sciences laboratory. The sample, designated 79001, was discovered in 1981 by an Antarctic meteorite recovery team and is thought to be of possible Martian origin. (official NASA photograph) Here are 2 photos of the postcard on my Photobucket account : http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/martian-postcard-1.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/martian-postcard-2.jpg I am asking $6 each shipped - this price includes shipping to anywhere in the CONUS. Asking price is $8 for Canadian or Overseas buyers. There are 10 of these cards available. If someone wants to buy all 10, I will sell them for $48 shipped in the CONUS, or $50 shipped to Canada/Overseas. Buyers from the Orion-arm are responsible for paying their own pan-planetary trade tax. PayPal preferred. I have to run some errands, so I might not reply right away. But I will respond to everyone tonight. :) Thanks for looking! MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stefan's New Find
Hello Fred, Stefan and List, The darker side looks like a CV3, but the fair grey one? The uncut main mass: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb-ungesch.jpg The cut surface: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb.jpg Ever since Stefan first showed me this unique specimen in November 2008, I've been wondering and brooding what this might be. My very first idea was that this might be a CK-like chondrite, then I thought it might also be some kind of E-chondrite and from there, it was just another (hypothetical) hop to the assumption that this could be a Kakangari-like chondrite (???) What do you think? Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Apology to the List
Hello Bernd; Apology accepted here for one.Meteorite collecting,and the discussions that are spawned from it is a fabulous thing,hopefully the list will get unwound and continue on meteorites.Tucson is coming up and i am sure all meteoriteophiles that will be involved in it are all wound up and need an outlet.Who knows it may be a good thing that you opened that outlet for them,time will tell.I think.The list members are amazing and the list seems to endure all manner of trials stay in existence,which is good, for us members that really enjoy the discussions and sales offers and such.I think. Keep up the good work and get some good deals on meteorite secimens,i hope. Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New meteorite fall Morocco
Great pictures, Aid! That is a rocky terrain I've never experienced. Questions: Burned sand? I'd like to see some pictures of that, if possible, or a detailed verbal description. Any pictures of impact pits/craters before they were disturbed? Also, is this the same fall that was described earlier as mostly in snow-covered mountains? Is it permanent snow at high altitudes, or thaws in Spring? Is there an update for the size of the fall area? Best, Pete Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:34:46 -0800 From: aidmoha...@rocketmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New meteorite fall Morocco Hello list, I have been to the place the new meteorite fell and I was lucky to find some pieces myself, you can find pieces from TOURJDALE to OUED AACHIR, the big piece I can say 20 kg, it was fragments and the nomads were there first and pick it up, each one has a piece, and I estimated a 20kg largest piece. you can find small holes in the trajectory of the fall, in the big one we find the sand burned and mixed with the very small fragments. You can beleive me, because I was there and these are the photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34600...@n07/ I don't lie or pretend milligrams or hundereds of kilos, more than 50 per cent of this meteorites are small fragments without crust or have some. I learned on this list more than 500kg were found, and tents kilos were offered for sale, and I'm asking for photos of even 500g. Thank you Aid __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Delightfully On-Topic - Re: New meteorite find
I Second that Mike! There are many meteorites that have such beautiful fusion crusts, I too have been reluctant to cut them, and whenever I do get around to cutting them, I am usually surprised to see that they are even more beautiful on the inside. And then I always ask myself, why didn't I cut this sooner? Look at what I was missing out on all that time! Guess the old saying is true Don't Judge a Meteorite By it's Cover! John Higgins From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:25:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Delightfully On-Topic - Re: New meteorite find Hi Stefan! What a wonderful surprise! :) Every meteorite is like an Easter Egg - there may be a treat inside. And in this case, the inside is even better than the outside. I can understand your reluctance to cut it - the crust with it's delicate textures are lovely enough on their own. Please keep us updated on the eventual classification of this specimen. I am curious what it turns out to be. :) I have a 110gram UNWA that is a whole oriented stone with relatively fresh crust, but it's so beautiful that I can't bring myself to cut it. Now I am rethinking that reluctance! ;) LOL Best regards, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. Message: 12 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:11:52 +0100 From: Stefan Ralew ste...@meteoriten.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: New meteorite find To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 000b01c97c04$80dd25e0$15b2a...@sn107086710318 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Dear List, I`m sorry for posting something meteorite related here on the list.;-) Please let me show you two pictures of a really amazing new find from the Sahara, a small single stone with a nice orientation and a fresh black crust (very light-weight stone). I had to think for a while whether I should cut this beautiful piece or not. But cutting was worthwhile because the result was much surprising. The cut surface shows two lithologies, which have a very sharp border. Its definitely a chondrite, and probably a carbonaceous chondrite. Enjoy: The uncut main mass: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb-ungesch.jpg The cut surface: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb.jpg I really like this piece because I suppose that it could be something new. Best wishes, Stefan Berlin / Germany www.chladnis-heirs.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New meteorite fall Morocco
Aid, These look like nice meteorites and I don't doubt that these are genuine. I do find it hard to believe that the small craters were formed from these stones. The craters look dug and appear too large and deep for the little rocks your are displaying. Am I missing something? Best Regards, Mike Tettenborn Aid Mohamed wrote: Hello list, I have been to the place the new meteorite fell and I was lucky to find some pieces myself, you can find pieces from TOURJDALE to OUED AACHIR, the big piece I can say 20 kg, it was fragments and the nomads were there first and pick it up, each one has a piece, and I estimated a 20kg largest piece. you can find small holes in the trajectory of the fall, in the big one we find the sand burned and mixed with the very small fragments. You can beleive me, because I was there and these are the photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34600...@n07/ I don't lie or pretend milligrams or hundereds of kilos, more than 50 per cent of this meteorites are small fragments without crust or have some. I learned on this list more than 500kg were found, and tents kilos were offered for sale, and I'm asking for photos of even 500g. Thank you Aid __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ringwoodite
Greetings, all, In the experience of the chondrite-cutters, how common are you finding ringwoodite in shock melt veins? Personally, I've only seen (what I believe to be) ringwoodite in two stones out of the dozens I've cut. How about size? In mine, the largest area is ~ .5 mm. For such an outstanding indigo blue colour in a generally brown matrix, I'm surprised there isn't that much information about the mineral in meteorites on the internet or my books. Cheers, Pete _ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/events.aspx __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Tucson Show and Much More
Hello List-members, While you were all feeding the ducks, or the trolls, I have been working! And I just acquired Craig McDonald's collection. A lot of very nice stuff in there! Some you haven't seen in a long time, like Buschhof, Canon City, Chateau Renard, Clark County, Flandreau, Gaylord, L'Aigle, Mayo Belwa, Ornans, Oxford, Sand Creek, Shergotty, Valkeala, Winona. And Yes, of course, there is Claxton and Peekskill and Pasamonte and Weston! And if the Postal Service does not fail me, I will even have them with me in Tucson. Warning!, Geoff, our room in the InnSuites is going to be absolutely jammed paced with great stuff. But I am sure we will manage to make room for some wine and nibbles. Right? See you all there. (And of course, if you are one of the unlucky ones who can't make it there, feel free to email me at: _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) .) Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Beautiful Tafassasset slice
List, I have a beautiful part slice of Tafassasset for sale. 4.2 grams with huge surface area. Professionally cut very thin and measuring a whopping ~36mm x ~52mm. I have purchased a larger piece and now have this beauty available. Tafassasset is an exciting meteorite with dual classification of CR Chondrite or Primitive Achondrite. Just do a search in the Met. Bulletin http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/index.php . Also, there have been some hints that exciting new information is coming out on this meteorite. Perhaps the classification will become even more unique. Price is $120 and 5$ for shipping in Canada or the US or $10 for over seas. Paypal preferred. Here is a pic.: http://picasaweb.google.com/MikeTettenborn/Meteorites#5293906669090205378 Cheers, Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario, Canada __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Tucson Show and Much More
First off, many thanks to everyone (the several dozen of you) who requested details about the contents of my collection. Also, the pieces Anne lists below are just a sampling of the ones she requested I pull out in order to have them in time for Tucson. I believe there are about 35 pieces currently on the way to her. There are about another 135 still here, to be shipped after she returns from the showincluding a lot more good ones. Again, thank you to everyone who expressed an interest, and I wish those of you who may acquire any of these pieces, at least the same amount of enjoyment that they brought me over the years. Sincerely, Craig -Original Message- From: impact...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; geok...@notkin.net Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 6:28 pm Subject: AD - Tucson Show and Much More Hello List-members, While you were all feeding the ducks, or the trolls, I have been working! And I just acquired Craig McDonald's collection. A lot of very nice stuff in there! Some you haven't seen in a long time, like Buschhof, Canon City, Chateau Renard, Clark County, Flandreau, Gaylord, L'Aigle, Mayo Belwa, Ornans, Oxford, Sand Creek, Shergotty, Valkeala, Winona. And Yes, of course, there is Claxton and Peekskill and Pasamonte and Weston! And if the Postal Service does not fail me, I will even have them with me in Tucson. Warning!, Geoff, our room in the InnSuites is going to be absolutely jammed paced with great stuff. But I am sure we will manage to make room for some wine and nibbles. Right? See you all there. (And of course, if you are one of the unlucky ones who can't make it there, feel free to email me at: impact...@aol.com.) Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Tucson Show and Much More + Tucson Driving Question
Anne Black posted: Warning!, Geoff, our room in the InnSuites is going to be absolutely jammed paced with great stuff. But I am sure we will manage to make room for some wine and nibbles. Right? Tell me about it! I just received a shipment of lovely historic American chondrite slices, all with museum labels, plus an old collection from Texas with some beautiful pieces purchased back in the 1990s, and there are some serious irons on the way from Europe. Maybe we'll have a fire sale. But yes, for sure, in our room there will always space reserved for wine and snacks -- that is very important business : ) Regarding Michael Chamberlain's question yesterday: Yes, the interstate (I-10) still has all local Tucson exits closed downtown and midtown, much the same as last year. Some driving tips -- whether you're headed west/south from Phoenix/California or east/north from the airport/Texas/New Mexico -- can be found here: http://tucsongemandmineralshows.net/tucson-visitors-info.htm . . . along with links to Arizona Department of Transportation pages with the latest details. Anne, see you and the gang next week. It was lovely here in Tucson today -- definitely shorts and flip-flops weather. Salut, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.tucsongemandmineralshows.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: New meteorite find
Hello Stefan; Amazing specimen,and very enjoyable to view.Thanks for sharing.Good hunting. Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Dhofar 910 Lunar Part-Slice
Good Evening List, I just listed a very nice 2mm thin slice of Dhofar 910 lunar. In addition, I will offer $20 off plus FREE USPS Priority Mail to any domestic U.S. list member who agrees to purchase off-eBay. (Next 48hrs only) Please contact me if you need larger photos. Thanks. Ryan http://cgi.ebay.com/Lunar-Meteorite-Dhofar-910-Awesome-0-74g-Part-Slice_W0QQitemZ270333845122QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item270333845122_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ringwoodite
Hello Pete: Off the top of my head -- I don't recall ever hearing of indigo blue in a meteorite. I do know that ringwoodite is barely translucent with a pale purple-over-brown tint especially visible to the eye under a low power loupe. Perhaps it is just semantics. When the list last visited ringwoodite veins, I believe they were almost always found in L chondrites but this could have been from paired finds. I say this suggesting that the bulk of ringwoodite veins observed/sampled on earth might have come from the same disrupted parent body-- but have nothing other than vignette evidence to support it. I believe your discovery is about right regarding ringwoodite abundance. I have seen swellings of ringwoodite veins to about 3-5mm but 1mm is normal. Ringwoodite veins are likely injection veins along existing fractures/lines of weakness. The purity of the veins does not suggest the veins occur as flash melts. About 8 years ago there was a run of ringwoodite bearing slices being sold but I believe it came from a larger find of multiple stones--Sorry I don't have the NWA numbers. Please send a photo when /if you can. Elton --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Ringwoodite To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 6:12 PM Greetings, all, In the experience of the chondrite-cutters, how common are you finding ringwoodite in shock melt veins? Personally, I've only seen (what I believe to be) ringwoodite in two stones out of the dozens I've cut. How about size? In mine, the largest area is ~ .5 mm. For such an outstanding indigo blue colour in a generally brown matrix, I'm surprised there isn't that much information about the mineral in meteorites on the internet or my books. Cheers, Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ringwoodite
Dear Pete, Elton and List, I have several kilos of individual stones of the Sahara 98222?? with Ringwoodite (haven`t confirmed the # - from my memory- will have to check). I purchased them from the Labennes about 8-9 years ago. They are an L chondrite. If you require more information I will locate it. Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ringwoodite To: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com, metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 12:41 PM Hello Pete: Off the top of my head -- I don't recall ever hearing of indigo blue in a meteorite. I do know that ringwoodite is barely translucent with a pale purple-over-brown tint especially visible to the eye under a low power loupe. Perhaps it is just semantics. When the list last visited ringwoodite veins, I believe they were almost always found in L chondrites but this could have been from paired finds. I say this suggesting that the bulk of ringwoodite veins observed/sampled on earth might have come from the same disrupted parent body-- but have nothing other than vignette evidence to support it. I believe your discovery is about right regarding ringwoodite abundance. I have seen swellings of ringwoodite veins to about 3-5mm but 1mm is normal. Ringwoodite veins are likely injection veins along existing fractures/lines of weakness. The purity of the veins does not suggest the veins occur as flash melts. About 8 years ago there was a run of ringwoodite bearing slices being sold but I believe it came from a larger find of multiple stones--Sorry I don't have the NWA numbers. Please send a photo when /if you can. Elton --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Ringwoodite To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 6:12 PM Greetings, all, In the experience of the chondrite-cutters, how common are you finding ringwoodite in shock melt veins? Personally, I've only seen (what I believe to be) ringwoodite in two stones out of the dozens I've cut. How about size? In mine, the largest area is ~ .5 mm. For such an outstanding indigo blue colour in a generally brown matrix, I'm surprised there isn't that much information about the mineral in meteorites on the internet or my books. Cheers, Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apology to the List
I couldn't have said it better than Walter. My sentiments, too. Bernd, your comments are alwayws spot-on, welcomed and appreciated on this list. Dave --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Walter Branch waltbra...@birch.net wrote: From: Walter Branch waltbra...@birch.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apology to the List To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 11:31 AM Hello Bernd, I think it is fairly safe to say that you have nothing to apologize for. The day of the 9-11 attacks? You were among the first to post what I thought was a thoughtful and sympathetic post. Many people did. That post wasn't meteorite-related but it was appreciated. I remember a few years ago a certain list member went off on some diatribe (as he usually did) and after your response, he stopped posting. You did the list a service then, as you usually do. That post wasn't meteorite-related either, but it was appreciated. Nothnig to apologize for. I understood your post for what it was intended to be, wishing a country well. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Apology to the List Hello All, Phew, what a shock it was when I read all those mails. I did not expect to polarize listees and listoids into pro-XY and anti-YX. Just don't do it on a List that's devoted to meteorites. It only takes *one* to correspond to start the ball rolling That *one* was me and I now see I shouldn't have posted that mail. It was not meteorite-related and presidential elections are a far cry from meteorites. I just shouldn't have brought it up! Please, accept my apologies! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1906 - Release Date: 1/21/2009 7:07 AM __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ringwoodite in Sahara 98222 L6 breccia
Hello, I found my records: Sahara 98222findL6 breccia with Ringwoodite in shock veins. dirk ross...tokyo --- On Thu, 1/22/09, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com wrote: From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ringwoodite To: Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 12:53 PM Dear Pete, Elton and List, I have several kilos of individual stones of the Sahara 98222?? with Ringwoodite (haven`t confirmed the # - from my memory- will have to check). I purchased them from the Labennes about 8-9 years ago. They are an L chondrite. If you require more information I will locate it. Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ringwoodite To: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com, metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 12:41 PM Hello Pete: Off the top of my head -- I don't recall ever hearing of indigo blue in a meteorite. I do know that ringwoodite is barely translucent with a pale purple-over-brown tint especially visible to the eye under a low power loupe. Perhaps it is just semantics. When the list last visited ringwoodite veins, I believe they were almost always found in L chondrites but this could have been from paired finds. I say this suggesting that the bulk of ringwoodite veins observed/sampled on earth might have come from the same disrupted parent body-- but have nothing other than vignette evidence to support it. I believe your discovery is about right regarding ringwoodite abundance. I have seen swellings of ringwoodite veins to about 3-5mm but 1mm is normal. Ringwoodite veins are likely injection veins along existing fractures/lines of weakness. The purity of the veins does not suggest the veins occur as flash melts. About 8 years ago there was a run of ringwoodite bearing slices being sold but I believe it came from a larger find of multiple stones--Sorry I don't have the NWA numbers. Please send a photo when /if you can. Elton --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Ringwoodite To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 6:12 PM Greetings, all, In the experience of the chondrite-cutters, how common are you finding ringwoodite in shock melt veins? Personally, I've only seen (what I believe to be) ringwoodite in two stones out of the dozens I've cut. How about size? In mine, the largest area is ~ .5 mm. For such an outstanding indigo blue colour in a generally brown matrix, I'm surprised there isn't that much information about the mineral in meteorites on the internet or my books. Cheers, Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wow, what a memory.
Hi all, I was just going through my meteorites and their back up documentation. I found an unpleasant reminder of Sept. 11, 2001. Greg Hupe had a 99 gr end slice of Zag that he had started a week earlier. I had bid several days before the end of the auction. When it ended on the evening of the 11th and I won the auction I sure wasn't thinking of meteorites and I don't think Greg was either. It seems like the whole world shifted on that day. Kind of like a Sliders episode. Any one remember that SiFi show? It sure doesn't feel like were back in the proper dimension yet. Let's hope this new economy allows for our chosen science/hobby to still flourish. Tom **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: New meteorite find
Stefan: That sure is a beauty; this is one of the reasons I collect meteorites; finding hidden treasures of rare beauty. Could it be perhaps a CM chondrite? Or part CV and CM? Could account for the low SG. In any case it#39;s a prize. Congrats and thanks for sharing. Greg Stanley Meteoriteshow wrote: Really beautiful Stephan! We can even see through the fusion crust that there must be two different structures, which of course is clearly shown on the cut section. The darker side looks like a CV3, but the fair grey one ? I wonder... Anyway, a great find! Cheers Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew ste...@meteoriten.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: New meteorite find Dear List, I`m sorry for posting something meteorite related here on the list.;-) Please let me show you two pictures of a really amazing new find from the Sahara, a small single stone with a nice orientation and a fresh black crust (very light-weight stone). I had to think for a while whether I should cut this beautiful piece or not. But cutting was worthwhile because the result was much surprising. The cut surface shows two lithologies, which have a very sharp border. Its definitely a chondrite, and probably a carbonaceous chondrite. Enjoy: The uncut main mass: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb-ungesch.jpg The cut surface: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/carb.jpg I really like this piece because I suppose that it could be something new. Best wishes, Stefan Berlin / Germany www.chladnis-heirs.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Caldwell, KS impact melt breccia AD, sort of
Hello List, The Caldwell, Kansas Meteorite Story. For 16 years or so, I have been chasing after the Caldwell, Kansas meteorite. The 1986 version of the BMNH Catalogue (my original treasure map) listed this meteorite as being found in 1961, being 12.9 kg TKW with only about 50 grams represented in all collections world wide. This discrepancy in weights made the treasure hunter in me say Hu... My hunch was that someone had found this meteorite and sent Nininger or Huss a chip off it. It probably was determined that it was indeed a meteorite, but the finder, for whatever reason, didn't want to sell it back then. This scenario, while very rare, did happen at least one other time that I know about in the past century. Both Nininger and Huss were known for being persistent at getting specimens the located out of the field and into the lab. In the case of multiple finds from a strewnfield, the need wasn't as great to get ALL of them, but in the case of single specimen finds, there was a logical case that could be made that science needed to study the new finds, and thus, not many of those got away. So for a couple of years, I tried to find who had this rock. I would ask around the Caldwell area when my field trips took me to that part of Kansas, all with no luck. One day I decided to write to Margaret Huss (daughter of Nininger and widow of Glen Huss) in Colorado and I asked her what the old AML records might have on the Caldwell meteorite. In her gracious and helpful way, she responded by giving me the name of the finder, Vernie Havorka. Their records showed that the AML did get a piece of this meteorite, but that was all. Some research on my part showed that there was no longer any Havorkas in the Caldwell area. A little more detective work and eventually I located the original finder in another city. I paid a visit to Vernie's home and we struck up a great conversation and a friendship was formed. He showed me his meteorite, and told me about the find. Nothing dramatic, just that he had hit it with the plow on his family farm outside of Caldwell. He mentioned that both Nininger and Huss had paid him a couple of visits over the years, but that he never really wanted to part with the rock. Although he had given one of the men a piece for testing and verification. When I asked if he would want to sell it now, he told me that it was in his Will, designated to go to his son upon his death, and that it wasn't for sale. Vernie was a part time pastor of a small country church and he had taken quite a few missionary trips over seas. He was full of stories of exciting trips to exotic places. We would talk, sometimes for hours about far away places. One trip I remember him talking about was going to the U.S.S.R. before their break up. It was an interesting story, one that I used as a spring board to think about what it would be like to go to Russia and travel to the Sikhote Alin site on a missionary trip of my own to save some of those lost rocks. Early on, I had mentioned to Alan Rubin at UCLA about finding the Caldwell finder, and Dr. Rubin asked if there was a way I could get him just a little piece of the rock for some more detailed testing. So, the next time I was in Kansas, I popped in on Vernie, and made the request, and he obliged by letting me take off a small piece around 20 grams. I got the fragment to UCLA and they were able to determine that the rock was indeed an L-impact melt breccia. The portion he got from me was of the impact portion, so a more detailed classification wasn't forthcoming. While I took Vernie at his word, that he didn't want to sell his specimen that he treasured, over the years I would still pop in on him. I remember showing him, in his driveway, the 280 pound Rediscovery Stone I found at Brenham in 2005, that was just a few days before I ended up finding the Brenham Main Mass. That was one of several finds I had showed him over the years when I had a good excuse to stop in to see him again. We would talk about various things and I would eventually get around to half heartedly asking if he was sure he didn't want to sell his rock yet? The answer was always the same. This last fall, I was passing near Vernie's home on the way out to shoot the Discovery TV meteorite segment at Brenham, when strangely there wasn't an answer at his door. I left him a note saying hi on my business card and I went on. Several weeks later I received a phone call from Vernie's son informing me that Vernie had passed away very near the time I last stopped by and left my last note. The conversation with his son veered around different topics, including how much Vernie enjoyed his meteorite. I mentioned to the son that Vernie had indicated that while he was alive, he didn't want to part with the meteorite, but that it would be
