[meteorite-list] I don't get all list posts...
Hi list, Sorry to keep peppering you all with questions about the workings of the list but a few people have told me they posted their West totals recently and I most definitely have not received their posts. I am not in digest mode currently. Any suggestions? Thanks - Teddy A. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] QMIG update
Listoids Long overdue update at http://www.qmig.org - I'm having troubles updating the mirror at qmig.net... Pix of Wynella uploaded Pix of a genuine specimen of Hamilton from the original UNE find uploaded and avail from the news page This is so significantly different from the commercially avail Hamilton for sale from time to time that I now have to double-check the provenance... Shitloads of new articles on Mungindi and Thunda and the Warbreccan stones (aka Tenham) and Hamilton and Wynella to upload when I get a chance And I still have to edit the Arrabury article to include a few more details of the petrology I bleat from time to time that I am still looking for specimens of Maroo and Whitula Creek - more of HAAG's theivery from Australia - I know that Blaine Reed eventually bought these from HAAG and was good enough to have them classified and they were apparently subsequently sold out... I do need some specimens to have a full house card hand and ask that listoids assist me in achieving a swap/trade/buy Cheers __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Beautiful Henbury - Auction ending soon!
Just a note that my Henbury auction is ending today: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120387470947 Cheers, Jeff __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Updated west totals
24 meteorites found by me personally, 1 meteorite purchased by me, total weight 372.4g Steve Arnold **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New West totals
Hi list, A few more important West totals have come in: Rob Wesel: 9 stones, total: 255 g Ruben Garcia: 15 stones, total: unknown (12.6g) Patrick Thompson: 15 stones, total: unknown Mike Bandli: 6 stones, total: 53.715g Micheal Cottingham: 18 stones, total: 286g Micheal Farmer: 23 stones, total: 531.6 Greg Hupe: 12 stone total: 268g (50g) Eric Wichman: 1 stone, total: 6.7 grams Jim Baxter 5.9g: from Mike Farmer Robert Woolard: and son 7 stones, total: 407 grams James Phillips: 4 stones, total: 36.3 Geoff Notkin: at least 13 stones, total: unknown (18.8g) Mike Miller: 8 stones totaling: 365g (212g) Del Waterbury: 5 stones totaling: 75.3g (8g, 5,6g, 5.2g, 5.5g, 51g,) Mike Morgan: 1 stone total: 13g Keith and Dana Jenkerson: 4 stones, total: unknown Mexico Doug and Rob Matson: 12 stones, total: 280g+ Bob Haag: 4 stones, total: 89g (rumor) John Sinclair: 4 stones, total: 43.91g (5.77g, 9.84g, 13.55g, 14.75g Steve Arnold: 24 stones found, 1 purchased, total: 372.4g Totals: 142 stones with known weights = 3120.225g + at least 46 other known stones lacking weights + unknown numbers from these hunters: Jim Schade Sonny Clary Shauna Russel Robert Ward Gary Curtiss Matt Morgan So a total of 142 stones with known weights = 3120.225g, which averages out to 21.93g per stone. At that rate the 46 stones with unknown weights would add another 1010.8g So a new minimum estimate of the West total is 4.1 kilos, and it makes sense to estimate that 4.5-5 kilos have been found since we still have at least 6 hunters with unreported stone, and weight totals (and Farmers back at it). – Teddy A __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly emanated from the Carancas crater? Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and got retarded about their meteorite laws. Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende, then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent piece of Allende. Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers. Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety of targets. Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's? Best regards and clear skies! MikeG PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading this post! By putting hammers in the title, I have ensured Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :) . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What's the deal?
What is the deal with all the recent meteor sightings? Is it me or does there seem to be more sightings recently? March 7th, Saturday Morning 12:24am; Westchester: http://lohud.com/article/20090309/NEWS02/903090340/-1/newsfront http://lohud.com/article/20090308/NEWS02/903070400/-1/SPORTS Or is it simply increased awareness created by the meteorite fall in Texas? Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What's the deal?
Fireballs don't happen at a uniform rate, but are often clustered somewhat (that's just a statistical effect; they are not physically related). Combine this with the added awareness that comes with a widely witnessed event, and I think that explains things. BTW, I'd put the start of this particular run at last November's Saskatchewan fireball and subsequent recovery, not the more recent Texas event. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] What's the deal? What is the deal with all the recent meteor sightings? Is it me or does there seem to be more sightings recently? March 7th, Saturday Morning 12:24am; Westchester: http://lohud.com/article/20090309/NEWS02/903090340/-1/newsfront http://lohud.com/article/20090308/NEWS02/903070400/-1/SPORTS Or is it simply increased awareness created by the meteorite fall in Texas? Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly emanated from the Carancas crater? Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and got retarded about their meteorite laws. Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende, then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent piece of Allende. Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers. Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety of targets. Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's? Best regards and clear skies! MikeG PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading this post! By putting hammers in the title, I have ensured Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :) . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly emanated from the Carancas crater? Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and got retarded about their meteorite laws. Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende, then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent piece of Allende. Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers. Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety of targets. Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's? Best regards and clear skies!
[meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
Hmm, honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category hammer had any meaning or importance. Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale and it was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-) Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category: hammers. So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since 2-3 years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than all the decades before. Walter, Walter, what have you done :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von m...@mhmeteorites.com Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 17:19 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly emanated from the Carancas crater? Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and got retarded about their meteorite laws. Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende, then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent piece of
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Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
...and kunashak is among the most beautiful of OCs. On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Martin Altmann wrote: Hmm, honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category hammer had any meaning or importance. Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale and it was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-) Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category: hammers. So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since 2-3 years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than all the decades before. Walter, Walter, what have you done :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von m...@mhmeteorites.com Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 17:19 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human- made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
Yes, certainly, in cut faces it looks like summer clouds on a ceiling of a Bavarian baroque church. But one needs fullslices to see the great net of shock veins best. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Darryl Pitt [mailto:dar...@dof3.com] Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 18:05 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. ...and kunashak is among the most beautiful of OCs. On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Martin Altmann wrote: Hmm, honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category hammer had any meaning or importance. Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale and it was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-) Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category: hammers. So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since 2-3 years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than all the decades before. Walter, Walter, what have you done :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von m...@mhmeteorites.com Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 17:19 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human- made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
who might have kunashak for sale?? full slices?? wish to add Summer clouds on the ceiling of a Bavarian Barogue church effect to the collection. On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Martin Altmann wrote: Yes, certainly, in cut faces it looks like summer clouds on a ceiling of a Bavarian baroque church. But one needs fullslices to see the great net of shock veins best. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Darryl Pitt [mailto:dar...@dof3.com] Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 18:05 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. ...and kunashak is among the most beautiful of OCs. On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Martin Altmann wrote: Hmm, honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category hammer had any meaning or importance. Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale and it was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-) Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category: hammers. So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since 2-3 years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than all the decades before. Walter, Walter, what have you done :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von m...@mhmeteorites.com Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 17:19 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human- made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
The same could be said about the meteorite coins that seems so popular. I'm a meteorite collector and a coin collector but all I see is a way to get big bucks for cheap material, close to a scam in my view. ... but that is of course my view and my view only. Feel free to buy expensive meteorite coins with all of your hard earned cash, I will get my true meteorites cheaper with less competition. :-) /Göran Martin Altmann wrote: Hmm, honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category hammer had any meaning or importance. Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale and it was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-) Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category: hammers. So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since 2-3 years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than all the decades before. Walter, Walter, what have you done :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von m...@mhmeteorites.com Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 17:19 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
I know one ;-) http://sv-meteorites.jodoshared.com/meteorite.aspx?MetName=Kunashak Best regards, Sergey On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: who might have kunashak for sale?? full slices?? wish to add Summer clouds on the ceiling of a Bavarian Barogue church effect to the collection. On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Martin Altmann wrote: Yes, certainly, in cut faces it looks like summer clouds on a ceiling of a Bavarian baroque church. But one needs fullslices to see the great net of shock veins best. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Darryl Pitt [mailto:dar...@dof3.com] Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 18:05 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. ...and kunashak is among the most beautiful of OCs. On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Martin Altmann wrote: Hmm, honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category hammer had any meaning or importance. Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale and it was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-) Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category: hammers. So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since 2-3 years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than all the decades before. Walter, Walter, what have you done :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von m...@mhmeteorites.com Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 17:19 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human- made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Ebay Items in about 23 hours
Greetings, I have about 9 fairly large ticket items ending in about 23 hours from now. Two have Monig numbering on them and are great collector items from the TCU Collection. My last decent sized Lost City, Ok specimen (5.83 grams) at the lowest price I will be willing to sell it. I also have 3 auctions ending in another two days from now so if you are interested in those don't miss out. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ensisheim show, Ensisehim meteorite other irons
Hi Michael, I am only sporadically on mail these times (some health problems) and can only reply now. The Ensisehim museum has a new curator who is responsible for the display some other meteorites (than the 53.831 grams King Ensisehim). These (2 irons) were basically gifts. The first iron is obviously a Campo del Cielo (old style), kindly offered almost 8-9 years ago by Oscar Turone (Argentina), when he visited the museul for the first time. The second iron is a gift from a dealer from Morocco. The museum responsible at the time does neither remember the donor's name, nor the iron name. I personally did not see it yet, nor was aware about that gift. When I drop -soon) to the museum, I could perhaps tell you more. NB: If somebody intends to visit the museum any time, just feel free to contact one of us so we can make your visit more personalized (and comfortable). -- Hi listees, Regarding Ensisheim 2009 show (10th anniversary), as both Jean-Marie Blosser (Grand-Maître of the Confraternity) and myself are right now being confronted with some health problems, the show flyer is being delayed. We will send to the List fresh news in about 2 weeks, after a local plenary meeting. For those who inquired about show dates and some specific side-organized events, the show itself will be held on Sat June 20 and Sun June 21 (9:30-18:00) (It ends on Sunday just before the Ste Marie show unofficially starts), with the deler's day on Fri 19. The Friday and Saturday parties are maintained on about the same (slightly improved) basis as in the past (dinner outside, served by specific restaurant(s)). I will send you info on when and how to make reservations in due time. But yes, reservation (at least for Friday) is duly recommended. I will also try to progressively send personalized replies to all those inquiring since a time. Keep patience, this 10th edition anounces just great andcrowded! Best to all, Zelimir A 00:22 09/03/2009 +0100, Michael Bross a écrit : Hello list members A short message about Ensisheim. Being alone, I took a lot of photos, although it is quite difficult to get good ones with the displays and busy backgrounds. But a nice small museum with interesting artifacts from the potash mining + some very nice archeological pieces, including a rare trepanated skull. There are 2 other Iron meteorites in a display next to the famous one, but with no information about their origin. Do you know them ? They are quite big also. I will call this week to try to get more info, Saturday it was a student who took care of the museum. A bientot Michael Bross __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What's The Deal ?
Greetings: Having been following falls/sightings for some time, I've wondered the same thing. Has there been more lately? But I kept quiet and said nothing. On camping trips, my sons and I count satellites and meteors, and do some amateur astronomy, as I have been doing for almost fifty years. We try to time our camping trips to co-incide with a meteor shower to get a better show. And in all those years, I saw only two big really bright fireballs, one of them during the middle of the day. (big bright green ball of light going across the sky right near noon-hour) Fantastic luck !!! But in just the past couple years I saw two more, (only at night, not during day) when all the previous years I saw only two. I believe that is just a coincidence But it is interesting that I am not the only one suspecting that maybe, just maybe... there has been more witnessed and even filmed falls in the past few years. Does this represent an increase of meteoroids in our neighborhood ??? Some change in our area of the Solar System ?? I don't think so. But who knows for sure ? I don't know. It is an interesting question. Rob Williamson __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ad - E.T. selling a slice of Red Rock, California
Hello list members. For those of you who collect California meteorites or for those who like to collect hard to obtain irons, I am selling a slice of Red Rock, California. It is a handsome slice that weighs 195 grams and measures 7 mm thick x 5.3 x 7.5 centimeters or 1/4 x 2 x 3. One edge of the slice has exterior surface and all other edges and surfaces are cut polished and etched. Please contact me off list for pictures or questions. Thank you, E.T. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
Hi Martin and all, In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue At length. However, the condensed version is: A man Made artifact, animal or human leaves itself open when It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt Roads. It is a personal line one has to draw for one's self, And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman Road, would THAT make it a hammer? There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions. They are, rather, matters of opinion. Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers Other collectors have I believe my collection is currently Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection Is the largest? Then, I know a good number of people who Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford). I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500 to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...) Then, again, some specimens cannot be Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis, Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be Considered huge even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger. So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone Will answer for themselves. Best wishes, Michael From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 +0100 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
Hello Listers Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar tree... It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites. Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...) Good evening everyone Michael B PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf Historic meteorites etc... - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Martin and all, In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue At length. However, the condensed version is: A man Made artifact, animal or human leaves itself open when It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt Roads. It is a personal line one has to draw for one's self, And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman Road, would THAT make it a hammer? There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions. They are, rather, matters of opinion. Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers Other collectors have I believe my collection is currently Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection Is the largest? Then, I know a good number of people who Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford). I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500 to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...) Then, again, some specimens cannot be Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis, Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be Considered huge even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger. So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone Will answer for themselves. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions
Jeff, This has been established in the nomenclature over the Last few years as follows: 1) A hammer is a specimen which was part of a fall in which one or more stones or irons struck an artifact, animal or human 2) A hammer stone is one of the actual specimens of the Fall that, itself, struck said artifact, animal or human. 3) Many specimens are collected as a hammer because they Were part of the fall but did not (or it is not know if they), Themselves strike the artifact/animal or human. 4) Many Hammer falls had only one stone out of many strike Something, but the other stones were all part of that one Meteoroid prior to break up, yes? 5) Of course, a hammer stone, itself is more valuable to a hammer Collector than merely one of the specimens of the fall (I have 10 or 11 DIFFERENT Park Forest hammer stone specimens - Several houses, a Plymouth, a tow truck, a fire station, a baseball Field, a fence, etc. 6) I have little interest in collecting Homestead as a hammer, except Spcimens cut from the one stone that broke the horse corral fence. Pretty much, in other words, if you are a hammer enthusiast, Ya takes what cha can git. Best wishes, Michael From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:00:31 -0400 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
Here is my 20 gram slice of Kunashak. http://picasaweb.google.com/MikeTettenborn/Meteorites#5311303855235807298 Cheers! Mike Tettenborn Martin Altmann wrote: Yes, certainly, in cut faces it looks like summer clouds on a ceiling of a Bavarian baroque church. But one needs fullslices to see the great net of shock veins best. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Darryl Pitt [mailto:dar...@dof3.com] Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 18:05 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. ...and kunashak is among the most beautiful of OCs. On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Martin Altmann wrote: Hmm, honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category hammer had any meaning or importance. Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale and it was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-) Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category: hammers. So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since 2-3 years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than all the decades before. Walter, Walter, what have you done :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von m...@mhmeteorites.com Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 17:19 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human- made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers and Extrordinary Claims
--- On Mon, 3/9/09, m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest You forgot humans-proper , Matt Yeppers sounds like a bunch of politicians trying to make it fit the category by exploiting every last stretched scrap of obscure pseudo-logic. --just like every 3rd stone mentioned is oriented and just like EVERY rusty ancient Campo, Canyon Diablo and W4 NWA has fusion crust...yeppers I ought'a write a book.. What became of the work to adopt an orientation scale? Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers and Extrordinary Claims
Oh yes I did forget humans, animals, bugs and microbial life forms. Also if one wants to say a hammer is one that hits a road, then why not count every farmer's field as well? Most are composed of fill material. Trees and plants shouldn't be included either and I own the La Criolla that whacked the orange tree. But it would be nice to add 50 percent to the valuehmm... Matt --Original Message-- From: Mr EMan To: m...@mhmeteorites.com To: metlist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers and Extrordinary Claims Sent: Mar 9, 2009 5:21 PM --- On Mon, 3/9/09, m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest You forgot humans-proper , Matt Yeppers sounds like a bunch of politicians trying to make it fit the category by exploiting every last stretched scrap of obscure pseudo-logic. --just like every 3rd stone mentioned is oriented and just like EVERY rusty ancient Campo, Canyon Diablo and W4 NWA has fusion crust...yeppers I ought'a write a book.. What became of the work to adopt an orientation scale? Elton Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Michael, Check out Jeff's website here...excellent. The Sikhote video should be right up your street. Set aside 18 minutes and go back in time. I like to think that I might have the piece of shrapnel that went straight through the huge tree that one guy illustrates by by poking a stick right throughwho knows. ;-) Graham Ensor, UK. Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hello Listers Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar tree... It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites. Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...) Good evening everyone Michael B PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf Historic meteorites etc... - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Martin and all, In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue At length. However, the condensed version is: A man Made artifact, animal or human leaves itself open when It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt Roads. It is a personal line one has to draw for one's self, And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman Road, would THAT make it a hammer? There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions. They are, rather, matters of opinion. Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers Other collectors have I believe my collection is currently Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection Is the largest? Then, I know a good number of people who Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford). I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500 to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...) Then, again, some specimens cannot be Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis, Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be Considered huge even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger. So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone Will answer for themselves. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Forgot link..
Sorry forgot the link first time... http://www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/sikhote-alin.html ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Michael, Check out Jeff's website here...excellent. The Sikhote video should be right up your street. Set aside 18 minutes and go back in time. I like to think that I might have the piece of shrapnel that went straight through the huge tree that one guy illustrates by by poking a stick right throughwho knows. ;-) Graham Ensor, UK. Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hello Listers Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar tree... It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites. Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...) Good evening everyone Michael B PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf Historic meteorites etc... - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Martin and all, In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue At length. However, the condensed version is: A man Made artifact, animal or human leaves itself open when It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt Roads. It is a personal line one has to draw for one's self, And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman Road, would THAT make it a hammer? There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions. They are, rather, matters of opinion. Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers Other collectors have I believe my collection is currently Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection Is the largest? Then, I know a good number of people who Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford). I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500 to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...) Then, again, some specimens cannot be Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis, Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be Considered huge even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger. So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone Will answer for themselves. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Loud boom over Westchester (N.Y.) might have been meteor
http://lohud.com/article/20090309/NEWS02/903090340/-1/newsfront Loud boom over Westchester might have been meteor Thane Grauel The Journal News The loud boom heard throughout southern Westchester early Saturday morning might have been a meteorite tearing through the atmosphere at thousands of miles per hour. What people said sounded like an explosion, thunderclap or a sonic boom was heard at 12:24 a.m. People from Scarsdale, Mount Vernon, Yonkers, Tuckahoe, Eastchester and Bronxville contacted The Journal News or police. Though many people heard the window-rattling boom, solid explanations have been harder to come by. But Liz Holland, who lives atop a ridge in Mount Kisco, said she happened to be looking out a south window around 12:30 a.m. and saw on the horizon a brilliant yellow object streaking through the sky in a downward arc. It was pretty bright, she said. It wasn't huge, but bigger than a shooting star, like a thick piece of string. She said she made a big wish, and had been telling friends about it since. Bill Thys of the Rockland Astronomy Club wasn't watching the skies at the time. I wish I was, he said yesterday, adding that the description sounded like a meteor. Yellow's fairly typical, he said of a fireball, with different colors following in the train. He said there was a very good chance it could account for the sonic boom because, certainly, it was traveling fast enough. A sonic boom occurs when something passes above the speed of sound - 761 mph. Thys said a meteorite's relative speed hitting Earth's atmosphere - at that time of night with a tangential trajectory - would have measured in the thousands of miles per hour. Police departments in the area received numerous calls about the noise, but police could not determine its origin. Theories from people in the area ranged from explosions aboard a freight train to noise from a county helicopter. Others said it sounded like thunder, but the National Weather Service said there were no weather conditions that would account for such a sound. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
All, Agreed, Jeff. Michael's definition, though no question well considered, leaves a lot of gray area to the unknowing buyer. To call a specimen that actually hit a qualifier a hammer stone makes perfect sense. But to call all of the other specimens from that fall hammers (see, I believe, #2 in his list of criteria) is misleading at best (I'm not suggestion this is intentional, mind you). I recently pushed out the suggestion that these other such individuals be labeled as part of a hammer fall recently, only to learn that Matt (at least I think it was Matt) had already done so perhaps years ago. Another opportunity for IMCA -- along with the orientation system that was discussed many months ago but must be currently residing in the abyss -- to pursue... All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:01 PM To: Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything
[meteorite-list] Did the Phoenix Spacecraft Find Liquid Water on Mars?
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0903/08marswater/ Did the Phoenix spacecraft find liquid water on Mars? BY CRAIG COVAULT SPACEFLIGHT NOW March 8, 2009 Post-mission analysis of Phoenix Mars lander data is turning up strong new smoking gun evidence that the spacecraft discovered liquid water on the Red Planet. The data that Phoenix imaged and touched liquid water is a stunning discovery that directly relates to the potential for current or past life on Mars. Aside from the direct search for life itself, it has been the search for liquid water that could support life that has been the Holy Grail of Mars exploration since the 1960s. The discovery has historic implications far beyond the lander's earlier finding of hard-frozen water ice. That's because as far as science knows today, life can exist in the salty brine-like water found by Phoenix, but it can not form in hard-frozen water also found by Phoenix at its north polar landing site, where nighttime winter temperatures are routinely -100 degrees F. In an equally important finding, the Phoenix team says the data collected indicate that such liquid water is not only at the landing site, but likely exists currently at many locations around Mars. The findings are compiled in a new report The Physical and Thermodynamic Evidence for Liquid Water on Mars. The report will be presented March 23 at the 40th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston. It has been signed by 22 members of the Phoenix science team and the mission's principal investigator, Peter Smith, of the University of Arizona, who led the U of A/Jet Propulsion Laboratory team. It is imagery of splotches of Martian material on the spacecraft's landing gear that moved, then merged, that convinced the nearly two dozen Phoenix scientists that liquid saline-water exists in areas disturbed by the lander, says the report. This is described as smoking gun evidence for the presence of liquid water at the landing site. This stunningly significant finding of contemporary brine-like water on surface of Mars has major implications for the potential for current Martian life. It does not guarantee life, however, because the fluid could be too fleeting and salty for life. But it does also help to explain the apparently recent erosional features seen by the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. Scientists earlier believed all of the water carved features on Mars were created billions of years ago? but many of those features did not fit with such old geology. The lander data provides both thermodynamic and physical evidence for the widespread existence of current high salt content water on Mars, say the Phoenix investigators. As is anything involving the potential for life on another planet, the data will be hotly debated. But the new Phoenix findings that have come together since the lander ceased functioning in early November and are gaining remarkably wide support. The science team members involved in the findings represent laboratories and universities in Canada and Europe as well as the U.S. Although Phoenix never directly observed liquid water in the soil or subsurface water ice, scientists believe the material was there and was splashed up on the landing struts by the spacecraft's descent engines at touchdown on May 25. Based on multiple Phoenix and other Mars data sources, the science team says it is confident in saying we hypothesize that liquid saline-water is [currently] common on Mars. Science team members say in the paper that the finding will affect virtually every aspect of Mars research, including new Mars spacecraft development beyond the Mars Science Laboratory rover set for launch in 2011. This finding has important implications for the stability of liquid water, weather, mineralogy, geochemistry and the habitability of Mars, says the paper. The primary author is Nilton Renno of the University of Michigan. The findings also draw heavily on Ames Research Center studies by Aarn Zent. His work found that water molecules in the Martian atmosphere condense as thin films of water on soil particles on the ground? and in this case on the Phoenix landing gear. A key factor in maintaining enough unfrozen moisture in the soil to make it habitable is the presence of perchlorate salts that greatly decrease the freezing temperature of water. The perchlorate found by Phoenix keeps enough of the moisture in a wet, rather than frozen state that it could support life forms like those found on Earth in extremely dry locations like the Dry Valleys of Antarctica, says this and other Phoenix data to be presented at LPSC. There is also other strong Earth- and Mars-based evidence supporting the brine-water findings for Mars. Such brines are just 2-10 centimeters below the surface in the Antarctica Dry Valleys. The rovers Spirit and Opportunity have also found evidence of such brines from periods long ago on Mars. And the presence of brines on Mars is consistent with the evidence of aqueous
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
Hi Graham and list Sorry ! I was sending the link to the video at almost the same time you send it too ! Nice, great coincidence :) I have a photo from the meteorite in the trunk, but didn't keep the website source to it. (what a fool) Quite impressive (but can't send it to the list, no attachment unfortunately) If you don't have it I can send it to you off list. Let me know (but I am sure you have it !) If you know anybody selling a part of it, I am interested Good evening Michael - Original Message - From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Michael, Check out Jeff's website here...excellent. The Sikhote video should be right up your street. Set aside 18 minutes and go back in time. I like to think that I might have the piece of shrapnel that went straight through the huge tree that one guy illustrates by by poking a stick right throughwho knows. ;-) Graham Ensor, UK. Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hello Listers Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar tree... It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites. Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...) Good evening everyone Michael B PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf Historic meteorites etc... - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Martin and all, In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue At length. However, the condensed version is: A man Made artifact, animal or human leaves itself open when It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt Roads. It is a personal line one has to draw for one's self, And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman Road, would THAT make it a hammer? There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions. They are, rather, matters of opinion. Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers Other collectors have I believe my collection is currently Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection Is the largest? Then, I know a good number of people who Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford). I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500 to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...) Then, again, some specimens cannot be Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis, Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be Considered huge even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger. So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone Will answer for themselves. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sober thought
Make that on the rocks As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies of the affidavit. Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera should be in the mix. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Make that on the rocks As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Parry Sound, Ontario meteor 5MAR08 any updates on meteorite recovery?
Re-Hello Graham Being new to the list, I am a bit overwhelmed... sorry ! But your name rang a bell... So thank you for your valuable answer to this question ! Btw, does anybody else have anything to say/add to it ? Michael B - Original Message - From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Parry Sound, Ontario meteor 5MAR08 any updates on meteorite recovery? Hi Michael, I have a small meteorite fragment from a fall in 2003 that was found within yards of a beach just weeks after. It had already deteriorated very badly because of the salty wet atmosphere. Pieces from further inland showed hardly any weathering...so I suspect that any meteorite containing nickel/iron (and most do) would not last long in salt water unless it was very large, and then it would also be less likely to be washed up. I think micro meteorite samples have however been recovered from sea sedimentsbut they are not likely to have iron in I suspect. The regular meteor showers such as the Leonids have never had any confirmed/associated meteorites attached to them as far as I know as they are from dust trails we pass through (too small to survive). Many people have tried to look at the frequency of these showers and link them with meteorites with no definite success. Hope that helps...I do not know of any meteorite that has been recorded being washed up on the beach...anybody else on the list know? Graham Ensor, UK Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: While I have heard nothing further, the linked maps suggest whatever survived may have splashed into Georgian Bay. Mark Hello List This makes me rebound on questions I had prepared for the list - do you know of any occurrence of a meteorite found on a beach, coming from the ocean ? - if not, why ? Are they not looked for ? Or are they just not expectable ? I lived many years on Long Island (NY) and remember especially the mid 90s with amazing tides: El Nino + Equinox tides bringing ashore from the near coastal depths, shells, beautiful weathered glass pieces, stones, that we usually didn't see. We found a 200 years old small snail like shell at Nino time. Just lying on the beach. Not counting old amazing Horseshoe crab shells... There was also the magnificent and powerful Leonid shower from 1997 (or 1996?) ... some meteorites must have gone to the ocean, no ? I am just very curious about this. Off course the found meteorites would certainly be weathered, rounded etc... by their stay in the salty and rough ocean... but knowing that the undersea plateau is wide and long and that tides can bring up elements from this plateau floors... well, there might be some meteorites in it... Or am I totally nut to think that way ? And this would count for most of all coastal areas in the world. Cheers Michael Bross __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
As it regards Venezuela's extraterrestrial hammering.Valera is a two stone fall. === On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Rob Wesel wrote: Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies of the affidavit. Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera should be in the mix. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Make that on the rocks As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
Hello, (I really meant to stay out of that discussion, but.) Yes, there were two Valera stones, one hammered a cow, the other one simply impacted the ground. Now, when you buy a piece of Valera, how do you know that you are getting a piece of the cow-killer? No blood on it, I believe. And the question applies to most of the other hammers on the market. The only probable exceptions being pieces with a bit of paint, red for Peekskill or Worden, yellow for one of the Park Forest. The rest.??? I just sold a very nice slice of Valera, I most certainly did not present it as a hammer. Just my opnion. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 3/9/2009 7:02:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dar...@dof3.com writes: As it regards Venezuela's extraterrestrial hammering.Valera is a two stone fall. === On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Rob Wesel wrote: Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies of the affidavit. Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera should be in the mix. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Make that on the rocks As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
Documentation is of the utmost importance. For example, I have photos of the owner of Worden holding the piece, a pic of the garage roof and the car that was smashed. I think I still have the cancelled check! A signed affidavit is always nice. I know Darryl Pitt provided that with every chunk of Valera he sold. Matt --Original Message-- From: impact...@aol.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: dar...@dof3.com To: r...@nakhladogmeteorites.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Sent: Mar 9, 2009 7:19 PM Hello, (I really meant to stay out of that discussion, but.) Yes, there were two Valera stones, one hammered a cow, the other one simply impacted the ground. Now, when you buy a piece of Valera, how do you know that you are getting a piece of the cow-killer? No blood on it, I believe. And the question applies to most of the other hammers on the market. The only probable exceptions being pieces with a bit of paint, red for Peekskill or Worden, yellow for one of the Park Forest. The rest.??? I just sold a very nice slice of Valera, I most certainly did not present it as a hammer. Just my opnion. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 3/9/2009 7:02:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dar...@dof3.com writes: As it regards Venezuela's extraterrestrial hammering.Valera is a two stone fall. === On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Rob Wesel wrote: Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies of the affidavit. Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera should be in the mix. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Make that on the rocks As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
List, Carancas is a hammer that any piece you get you can be assured was an actual hammer stone. If you consider that the spring that it hit where it excavated the crater was in part man made and maintained to water livestock. Carl Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax . m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: Documentation is of the utmost importance. For example, I have photos of the owner of Worden holding the piece, a pic of the garage roof and the car that was smashed. I think I still have the cancelled check! A signed affidavit is always nice. I know Darryl Pitt provided that with every chunk of Valera he sold. Matt --Original Message-- From: impact...@aol.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: dar...@dof3.com To: r...@nakhladogmeteorites.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Sent: Mar 9, 2009 7:19 PM Hello, (I really meant to stay out of that discussion, but.) Yes, there were two Valera stones, one hammered a cow, the other one simply impacted the ground. Now, when you buy a piece of Valera, how do you know that you are getting a piece of the cow-killer? No blood on it, I believe. And the question applies to most of the other hammers on the market. The only probable exceptions being pieces with a bit of paint, red for Peekskill or Worden, yellow for one of the Park Forest. The rest.??? I just sold a very nice slice of Valera, I most certainly did not present it as a hammer. Just my opnion. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 3/9/2009 7:02:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dar...@dof3.com writes: As it regards Venezuela's extraterrestrial hammering.Valera is a two stone fall. === On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Rob Wesel wrote: Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies of the affidavit. Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera should be in the mix. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Make that on the rocks As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Westchester County, New York meteor 9MAR09
Dear list, New reports of another meteor with sound and light in Westchester County, New York on March 9, 2008. Just posted: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] test
this is a test... geozay **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] this is a second test...do not adjust your dials. ; O)
TESTING ONE TWO THREE...PLEASE OH PLEASE WORK GEOZAY **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions
I have been seeking information on the Berduc fall for quite some time but have been unable to find anything about it on the internet and it does not seem to be listed on the Met Bull... Can anyone provide me with testing information (or any available information) on this fall? Is there a reason that its not been published on the met bull yet? There have been several falls that were published within only a few months of the date of the fall... Has the inability to easily legally obtain it played a part in this? Thanks in advance, Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I think I'm able to post on the meteorite list Finally
Okay folks...I haven't been able to post onto the meteorite list for at least three years. I'm on aol and one day I discovered that none of my posts were making it to the list. Several people suggest that I send my posts in plain text, but to the life of me, I haven't been able to figure out how to do that...until now. I accidentally stumbled onto the solution this evening while trying to do something else. For those on aol that may be having the same problem, this is what I did to be able to send messages in plain text. I'm on aol 9.1okay try this: In the Send to: box, type the lists address as usual. That is: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Do nothing else there. Then in the Subject: box, title your message as usual and do nothing else. In the message body area, type your message as usual. When done, highlight the whole message and then RIGHT click. You should get a whole list of things to do. Down near the bottom you should see COMPOSE AS PLAIN TEXT. Click on that and you will suddenly notice the message take on a different type. Then click on your SEND NOW button and that's it. Try it...good luck. george zay **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TEST
This a test.. Please ignore. -Felipe __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
Yah, but we shouldn't exaggerate. Sometimes I have the feeling, with any new fall most collectors are praying meanwhile, O Lord, please do NOT let it be a hammer. Cause then they can't afford a nice specimen anymore. Imagine all the great showers from Maghreb, Amgala, Bassi, Chergach - for many collectors they were the only chance to acquire a larger stone or entire stone of a real world-class quality, which they never would be able to pay from the other falls. Imagine if one of these stones would have hit something (uh my mind's eye sees already a Bedouin with a sledge hammer in his hand in front of an old oil barrel, telling to his fellows: hey guys, I'm a great magician. With one move I'm able to quadruple the price of a whole meteorite shower and this rusty barrel will be worth, as it if would be made of silver, cause the unbelievers are stupid like bread). Or imagine earlier - Juancheng for instance. Great shower, great stones, started at 2$ - and there weren't these Maghreb-falls yet, hence a great pleasure for any collector - and of course it was always reported that it hit huts and the pot on the stove. But reasonably nobody was thinking to ask or to pay 10$/g or 20$/g or so because of that anecdote. Well and most falls are recovered in populated areas, cause they are populated. And most meteorites don't come down as a single stone. So it's unavoidable that the hit a thing. And the perspective, that from now on every second new fall will be priced at 100$ and up, because of that, is not a fine one. Hammers are a fun, but only a fun, and the circumstances that they felt on something, is for many, if not most collectors, of very subordinated interest, cause meteorites tend always to fall down and to land, else they were no meteorites. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob Wesel Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. März 2009 01:52 An: Darryl Pitt; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies of the affidavit. Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera should be in the mix. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Make that on the rocks As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
One of the ironic details concerning Valera was the ranch owner's nonchalance over the event. A physician, he reasoned that deaths necessarily resulted from rocks falling from the sky. (Reasonable.) It was a Venezuelan astronomy professor who realized the significance of the event and interviewed the family and ranch hands. Valera's value has been compromised as a result of an initial inexpensive offering---an unimaginable absurdity. (And I'm in-part to blame.) On Mar 9, 2009, at 9:26 PM, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: Documentation is of the utmost importance. For example, I have photos of the owner of Worden holding the piece, a pic of the garage roof and the car that was smashed. I think I still have the cancelled check! A signed affidavit is always nice. I know Darryl Pitt provided that with every chunk of Valera he sold. Matt --Original Message-- From: impact...@aol.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: dar...@dof3.com To: r...@nakhladogmeteorites.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Sent: Mar 9, 2009 7:19 PM Hello, (I really meant to stay out of that discussion, but.) Yes, there were two Valera stones, one hammered a cow, the other one simply impacted the ground. Now, when you buy a piece of Valera, how do you know that you are getting a piece of the cow-killer? No blood on it, I believe. And the question applies to most of the other hammers on the market. The only probable exceptions being pieces with a bit of paint, red for Peekskill or Worden, yellow for one of the Park Forest. The rest.??? I just sold a very nice slice of Valera, I most certainly did not present it as a hammer. Just my opnion. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 3/9/2009 7:02:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dar...@dof3.com writes: As it regards Venezuela's extraterrestrial hammering.Valera is a two stone fall. === On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Rob Wesel wrote: Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies of the affidavit. Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera should be in the mix. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Make that on the rocks As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005 ) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 2nd Test
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
Hi All, I considered many of these same issues and besides upgrading my slice of Valera, and I dreamed of finding the dented skull of the unlucky cow. And here in Montana, we take our cow skulls seriously. Just look at our state quarter. Here's the August 2006 Accretion Desk article I wrote about Valera: http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2006/August/Accretion_Desk.htm Best, Martin #1 On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: One of the ironic details concerning Valera was the ranch owner's nonchalance over the event. A physician, he reasoned that deaths necessarily resulted from rocks falling from the sky. (Reasonable.) It was a Venezuelan astronomy professor who realized the significance of the event and interviewed the family and ranch hands. Valera's value has been compromised as a result of an initial inexpensive offering---an unimaginable absurdity. (And I'm in-part to blame.) On Mar 9, 2009, at 9:26 PM, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: Documentation is of the utmost importance. For example, I have photos of the owner of Worden holding the piece, a pic of the garage roof and the car that was smashed. I think I still have the cancelled check! A signed affidavit is always nice. I know Darryl Pitt provided that with every chunk of Valera he sold. Matt --Original Message-- From: impact...@aol.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: dar...@dof3.com To: r...@nakhladogmeteorites.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Sent: Mar 9, 2009 7:19 PM Hello, (I really meant to stay out of that discussion, but.) Yes, there were two Valera stones, one hammered a cow, the other one simply impacted the ground. Now, when you buy a piece of Valera, how do you know that you are getting a piece of the cow-killer? No blood on it, I believe. And the question applies to most of the other hammers on the market. The only probable exceptions being pieces with a bit of paint, red for Peekskill or Worden, yellow for one of the Park Forest. The rest.??? I just sold a very nice slice of Valera, I most certainly did not present it as a hammer. Just my opnion. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 3/9/2009 7:02:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dar...@dof3.com writes: As it regards Venezuela's extraterrestrial hammering.Valera is a two stone fall. === On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Rob Wesel wrote: Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies of the affidavit. Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera should be in the mix. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought Make that on the rocks As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt
Hello all, Ruben,it was a sweet hunt for sure! Ben and Erik are eagle eyed to say the least! They tore it up. Zaya and I found four, three were complete stones. They are smallbut we are very happy with them. They are our first Holbrook's! We had a blast, not to mention the great memories and new friendships formed. Our photos can be seen on the Nugget Shooter Forum under the Forum Topic Holbrook Victory. Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:26:08 -0700 From: meteoritem...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; erikfw...@msn.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt Thats Cool! Holbrook is always fun, Ben and Erik must have eagle eyes... But where are Dean's finds? Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Erik Fisler wrote: From: Erik Fisler Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt To: meteorite-list Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 7:10 PM This weekend a group of hunters including Nate, Dean, Zaya, Bedrock Bob, my father, and I hunted Holbrook. Even our friend Travis stopped by on Sunday. Nate rode with us, so I had a chance to weigh his finds along with ours. Nate's: http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=viewcurrent=N1.jpg 3.4g 2.2g 2.1g 1.3g 0.9g 0.7g 0.6g 0.5g 0.5g 0.4g 0.4g 0.4g Total = 13.4g Ben's: http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=viewcurrent=B1.jpg 5.3g 2.4g 2.1g 1.1g 1.1g 0.6g Total = 12.6g Erik's http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=viewcurrent=E1.jpg 9.4g (Fragmented idividual) 5.2g 4.7g 2.6g 1.5g 1.1g 0.9g 0.7g 0.6g 0.6g 0.4g Total = 28.6g __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions
Greg, Here is some information http://www.meteorman.org/Arroyo_Malo_42_93g.htm Best, Tim Heitz - Original Message - From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions I have been seeking information on the Berduc fall for quite some time but have been unable to find anything about it on the internet and it does not seem to be listed on the Met Bull... Can anyone provide me with testing information (or any available information) on this fall? Is there a reason that its not been published on the met bull yet? There have been several falls that were published within only a few months of the date of the fall... Has the inability to easily legally obtain it played a part in this? Thanks in advance, Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, please do this. I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those who have not reported in. Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc. I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers would let those of us working for science to report this correctly. Anyone... Anyone... Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and total weight. By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield. I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found anything today. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Anyone want to hunt...
Next week is my spring break and I can hunt any days from the 14th throught the 22nd. Would anyone like to arrange an hunts of existing fields or hunt new areas for cold finds in California, Nevada, Arizona, or New Mexico? If so just email me at erikfw...@msn.com [Erik] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt
Erick. Nate, Dean, Zaya, Bedrock Bob, etc., and List, A great big CONGRATS to all of you! There really is nothing like that first moment of discovery, is there? It truly must be something primal. And to any and all of those members who haven't (YET!) had that thrill, a VERY sincere wish that some day soon, you will. Best wishes to all, Robert Woolard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] West Totals
List and Teddy, I just saw Michael Farmer's post to the List from a little earlier this evening. I think I might have been the 1st one to ask (followed shortly by Michael Cottingham) a few days ago if people would email their total numbers and finds. I really want to thank ALL of those who have responded. It has made a difference, because the initial guess was around 2.5-3Kg as a TKW, but now it looks like that has doubled, at least, with the true weight at this point perhaps being even a little more. If the rest of you haven't taken the time to send your totals yet, would you please consider doing so? It really would be nice to get as accurate info as possible for the records! Also a special thanks to Teddy Applebaum for his help in compiling the totals! And by the way, Teddy, please add a 31.7g stone to the totals, found by a friend of mine who is not a member of the List. Sincerely, Robert Woolard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Westchester co, NY fireball - 07 Mar 09
If anyone is planning on visiting this meteor sighting site, please drop me an email. I do not want to go, but I have some information. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hammermaster
Who is the official hammer master? Anne Black's skepticism was clear and refreshing. I have 37 park forest idividuals and each one has a story. How do I certify my hammers? Can I print up a nice certificate and make a few more bucks? _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
