Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting ethics
Hi All, Joe writes: There is nothing illegal about the way Carl found it... I didn't say there was. My post was more about ethics and hypothetical situations. Just cuz somebody makes the first find, no matter who it is does not own the strewnfield, not by any means, unless it is on his property. Irrelevant to the discussion. Did I ever say anywhere in my post that Jack has exclusive rights to his discovery location? No. ...just cuz it is in AZ they feel the need to sccop it all up for themselves, thats not right... Jack has never said anything of the sort; and Mike has already pointed out that if you found the fall location *independently*, then you would have just as much right to be there as they do (assuming it didn't violate existing arrangements with any property owners). I see it as selfish... I see it as SMART. Frankly, I would rather have scientifically- minded people helping to recover a new fall because they actually care about science, not because of fame or profit. Who is to say Carl will not get GPS coordinance and in situ photo? If he finds anything, perhaps he will. Indeed, I hope he would. After the way Jack, Mike and the other acted, I would not give them any info on my finds, they are not doing the same for anyone else. If this is really how you feel, I can't say I'd be very interested in enlisting your help to recover a new fall. For the scientists, this isn't a game. It isn't about money, or petty jealousies. It's about quality scientific data. Every meteorite that is recovered improperly is a lost data point. If I was in Jack's shoes (which to some degree, I am) I would feel no obligation whatsoever to share my hard-earned results with anyone until I was damned good and ready. This fall just shows the true colors of some of the hunters. Quite so. Like you said, when Jack invited Farmer he knew there was a chance that somebody may find the strewnfield cuz he is so high profile. He took that chance and it happened. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. You only have Carl's say-so at this point. As far as I know, he doesn't have any meteorites as evidence to back up the claim. Carl did not put a beacon on Mikes Car. Did I say he did? No. My hyperbole was meant to show how various levels of cheating were different only in magnitude, not flavor. They're all unethical to varying degrees. To summarize: 1. You don't have a right to know what Jack figured out. 2. Jack doesn't have a right to prevent you from figuring out what he did -- by your own scientific means. 3. If you aren't yet clever enough to do #2, then educate yourself so that you can. It's really not rocket science. --Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - July 19, 2009
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/July_19_2009.html __ **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585099x1201462822/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LPL Apollo 11 Anniversary Event and Meteorite People
As an LPLer who was not involved with the planning or execution of this event, I think those who did should be congratulated for the fine celebration that was held in the LPL atrium yesterday. I know I had a great time as did the hundreds and hundreds of our guests. A special thanks to those involved in the meteorite displays. They deserve another thank you too for making the event a hit. The display of sixteen(!) different lunar meteorites was fantastic and made this event more special! (In no particular order, and sorry if I miss anyone) Mike Farmer Geoff Notkin Robert Ward Shauna Russell Greg Hupe along with their friends and assistants all deserve thanks. While it was about the Apollo 11 anniversary, the end of the atrium holding the meteorites was nearly always packed with people, especially children. Geoff was giving away posters and to a limited number of early arrivers, actual meteorites. I wonder how many new collectors the efforts of all the participants generated yesterday? I'm sure quiet a few! You all deserve thanks. I saw but didn't get a chance to say hello to Jack Schrader, Rubin Garcia and Marvin Kilgore. Again, sorry if I missed anyone else who was there. Finally a special thanks goes to Dolores Hill. She is sometimes too humble and will never stand up and take a bow, but she certainly deserves some public praise. She tirelessly explained everything meteorite to the kids, both little and big. One couldn't help but notice all of the young girls at her table that were excited by meteorites. When we left just after 8pm, Dolores was still going string, even though she had been up and going full speed since 6am on nothing more than a bagel and water. She is a jewel in the field of meteoritics; One that all too often goes under appreciated. This field is lucky to have her. -- Richard Kowalski __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tom Wolf Bridge To The Stars
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/opinion/19wolfe.html The day the space race died. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting ethics
Darren, I was unfortunately drinking coffee when I read this, which resulted in a tad bit of cleanup after I got myself under control. The Animal Kingdom word picture was just too much for me. Thank You for the light moment- Grant Elliott - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting ethics True story: I once shot Mike Farmer with a tranquilizer dart and fitted him with a radio collar. Unfortunately the battery died before the next fall. But it was worth it to see him rubbing against trees in the vain attempt to dislodge the collar! Poor confused creature... __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What got you into meteorites?
Greg/List: How did I get into meteorites? It perhaps started way back in the ‘70’s when a good friend of mine who was a mineral enthusiast got a job at the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History in Washington DC, and I remember him telling me that diamonds (carbon) had been found in iron meteorites; Wow… I thought that was very interesting. It also was about the same time I was writing a research paper (for English class) on the theory that a large meteor crashed on earth, resulting in the extinction of the dinosaurs… very fun to write and I think I received an ‘A’. Years later after many years of fossil and mineral collecting on the east coast, I began to read about meteorites and I remember seeing “The Meteorite Man,” Mr. Bob Haag on TV and in a few publications. Later I moved to Austin, TX pursuing an engineering degree and began to do more research on how to buy meteorites - It was the early 1990’s and there were few dealers and I also was living on a limited income. I do remember looking in the TX desert and I also looked for Tektites (never found any) throughout the ‘90’s. Then in 1997, I was driving to California for a summer internship and I went to the Meteorite Crater in Arizona. It was during this drive across the country, when I stopped at a roadside stand and bought a small ~25 gram Canyon Diablo meteorite; I still have it today. The next year I bought a second Canyon Diablo, which is 225 grams. After graduating from the University of Texas, I got a job in Bakersfield and began hunting the deserts there and found my first meteorite (a 15.8 gram chondrite) in 2006. Since then I have found many more and I read about the different varieties of meteorites when ever I have free time. I have collected fossils and minerals since I was a boy, but I think meteorites are so unique and out of this world, that they have become my primary focus of my mineral collection. Everyone, Enjoy Hunting and happy 40th anniversary (July 20th) of the Apollo 11 moon landing. Greg S. Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:24:06 -0700 From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] What got you into meteorites? Why am I into meteorites? I started off as a sci fi fan, and a major Star Wars collector (AKA, a nerd) A friend of mine that owns a local rock and mineral store came across a meteorite for me and I picked it up. I then ventured onto the internet in search of information about it and discovered I could buy Campo crystals rather cheap... I was using tumbled earth rocks as a method to teach my daughter math and thought meteorites would be a neat way to help her learn to do math. The first person I bought from - Bob C. was really nice and I ended up buying alot of Campo individuals, a really nice half gram martian from him and other really nice meteorites - from there, my collection suddenly took on a life of its own. When I purchased my first Lunar (Dhofar 910) from Adam Hupe, I quickly saw that for me to grow my collection like I wanted (Im not that big into micros) I would need to buy in bulk to get better prices. I started searching around to see who could give me good deals for buying in bulk... In turn I went around to local shops such as comic book and rock/mineral stores and shows trying to sell the extra material. For me, meteorites were/are not really a money thing, but a way that allows me to offer a method of teaching that is neat for my daughter and also allows me to actually touch, smell and better understand space, where we came from and where we are going. What is more cool then holding a piece of the moon? We always see sensational hollywood movies such as Armageddon, Deep Impact etc... Meteorites allow us to actually hold what the blockbuster movies are all about - Meteorites! In the 3 years we have been involved with this hobby my daughter has now expressed a major interest in being a meteorite scientist when she grows up! At 7 years old, she can tell you what makes achondrites and chondrites different, she can go into detail about Irons and Pallasites and alot of other really cool stuff I wish I would have known at 7 years old. She is now also a collector also. So, while meteorites for us started off simply as a way to teach math to my little girl, we both have since learned a great deal and they have given me and her valuable time together doing something we both enjoy. Thats what got us into meteorites - a simple gift and a thought of a neat teaching tool! Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here.
[meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FORSALE
Hi list.Just a quick plug.I have 5 meteorites forsale.All with free shipping _ 1. unclassified CV3 100 plus gram cut individual. $250 2.162 gram campo silicate endcut. $175 3.Sikote-alin 201 grams $150 4.Nwa 5547 L3 type 22 gram endcut $200 5.Nwa 2827 39 gram slice $100. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Apollo - Steps on the Moon - Ostrava, CZ
Hello Yesterday I was in in Ostrava, Czech Republic on the presentation about Gemini and Apollo probrams. Here are some photos from this event and from very nice Observatory (mostly hehe). http://www.polandmet.com/ -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) kosmos [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay auctions ending soon, Sikhote-Alin stamp, mundrabilla others.
Hi guys, I gave up on the yahoo account. Yahoo never figure out what was going on, and just permanently blocked the meteorite list as spam, for life. I don't get it, and couldn't ever get a straight answer from them as to why, hence the new e-mail address. Thanks everyone for the tips on the g-mail account. I just wanted to let everyone know that I have some auctions ending tonight, and there are a couple cool meteorites in there, And an absolutely awesome Sikhote-Alin Stamp and meteorite set: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=260444008409 And a great little Mudrabilla can be seen here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=260444026382 And a perfect bullet shaped oriented Taza is up for auction here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=260444019068 And a few other things, all of these are really small, perfect jewelry size pieces. Everything I have can be seen here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/callistodesigns_W0QQQ5ftrkparmsZ65Q253A10Q257C66Q253A4Q257C39Q253A1QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14QQ_sopZ16QQ_scZ1 Thanks so much for looking and being supportive, I love the meteorite community! -Leigh Anne __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PHOTOS NEEDED - RSVP
Hi all, I am in the final all nighters stages of finishing my book on ASPECTS OF METEORITE ORITENTATION. I am very dissappointed at the relatively few regmaglypted Meteorite photos I have. I blew it and didn't get a photo of the fabulous Regmaglypted nose cone in Mike Farmer's room a few Tucson Shows Back (the owner passed on a $100K offer, just to let you know how fabulous that puppy was) And to this day I bemoan the fact I passed on a CHEAP totally regmaglypted Oriented Millbillilly my first year of collecting because I already have a Nice Millbillilli and that one is all covered in that red mud. (!) Anyway, anyone with an oriented meteorite with regmaglypting (especially stones) your photos are desired - and of course, you Will be given full credit (and we all know a stone becomes more valuable When it is in print). Photos would IDEALLY be 6 inches at the longest point and 300dpi. If you don't know how to set the dpi, then the largest photo you can send Me the better. Focus and lighting are, of course, key issues. Please send as many photos as possible (digital photos are free), but only one per email. Any other special oriented specimens are welcome, but the regmaglypted ones I really need. The book is shaping up really nicely - but I do need a bunch of Regmeglypted oriented specimens. RSVP all. Thanks, Michael (OFF LIST, of course) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] All these worlds...
New black spot on Jupiter-- possible large comet or asteroid impact like Shoemaker-Levy 9's effects. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/07/19/new-black-spot-on-jupiter/ Or the beginning of stellification. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD -NR Auctions Ending - Imilac, Armanty, Mars .. Oh my
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/nakhladog_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] LPL get together yesterday
I also want to thank everyone for attending and Dolores Hill for organizing such a great event. There were so many people, and the displays and talks were great, and it was an honor to meet so many people involved in the space program. I was invited to show Lunar meteorites along with several other people, and the display was the single largest display of privately owned lunar meteorites ever seen in one place. thanks Dolores, it was lots of fun. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Images from todays LPL Apollo 11 40th Anniversary Event
A post from Ruben Garcia. Please check it out. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ruben Garcia meteoritem...@yahoo.com Subject: Images from todays LPL Apollo 11 40th Anniversary Event To: cdtuc...@cox.net For anyone interested in a few images of todays event. BTW Some of the pictures are large but most are small files. http://www.mr-meteorite.net/lplapolloanniversary.htm Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona My Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net My Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ My Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer :) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
I ment to say this before but this is IMCA business as formated and this is not the list for that discussion. In fact the IMCA list is not for this discussion. There are published procedures for filing a complaint against an IMCA member even if the complainer isn't a member. Based on the rant I don't see that this likely falls under the perview of the IMCA. Oh and for one that diss'd and downed the organization you sure do come running to them alot. I am sorry for your distress, truly I am. I know too well personally what it is to have a POS anger me. All I can offer is the knowledge that you can choose to think about this in another way and it would not cause such a shock to your sensibilities. Feel some joy in knowing it wasn't a warrantless device placed on your car by a scummy FBI agent that things rules are an inconvienance. Enjoy your trip but I have to ask... Did you pack your lugage yourself? Has anyone unknown to you had access to your luggage since you packed it? Elton PS: anyone know what color Mike's Wife's airplane is? Come on Mike it has some humor to it. They wouldn't be doing this unless you were the front dog in the pack. --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 12:51 PM I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
Dude, I bet there are finger prints on it? I wonder who it might be? I saw Carl buying one of those the other day at the Spy store on Broadway. Very funny Best Wishes Michael On Jul 19, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Michael Farmer wrote: I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer :) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
Just soem friendly advice to look at the pic Mike linked to before commenting. :) We joked with him last night at LPL that he had 50 tracking devices under his vehicle now... -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:30 PM I ment to say this before but this is IMCA business as formated and this is not the list for that discussion. In fact the IMCA list is not for this discussion. There are published procedures for filing a complaint against an IMCA member even if the complainer isn't a member. Based on the rant I don't see that this likely falls under the perview of the IMCA. Oh and for one that diss'd and downed the organization you sure do come running to them alot. I am sorry for your distress, truly I am. I know too well personally what it is to have a POS anger me. All I can offer is the knowledge that you can choose to think about this in another way and it would not cause such a shock to your sensibilities. Feel some joy in knowing it wasn't a warrantless device placed on your car by a scummy FBI agent that things rules are an inconvienance. Enjoy your trip but I have to ask... Did you pack your lugage yourself? Has anyone unknown to you had access to your luggage since you packed it? Elton PS: anyone know what color Mike's Wife's airplane is? Come on Mike it has some humor to it. They wouldn't be doing this unless you were the front dog in the pack. --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 12:51 PM I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Check it out
Please go HERE: http://picasaweb.google.com/michaelblood7/UntitledAlbum?feat=email# And whoever sent me this photo, please let me know who you are so I can Give you credit. Thanks, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
Mike I think I am freaking out! I just hope everyone takes it as a joke considering everything that has been posted to the list in recent weeks. In any event, as I said, I'm not taking any sides, and I owe my introduction to meteorites to Mike Farmer. Just that things are stating to get a bit scary! Back to lurking! Mark - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! Mark Come on read it again look at the photo. It is a joke man. Better stop this before people freak out. Michael Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 19, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com wrote: Just a quick question. Why is contacting the IMCA your first move, when it sounds like the police should be notified? Why bring this to the attention of the entire list, and furthermore expose yourself to to possible accusations of libel by accusing someone in this manner, especially if it happens to turn out that it was someone else who placed the device there? I am not taking any sides here. I purchased my first meteorite from Mike Farmer, and it was a very nice specimen. I have had no interaction with any of the other parties involved. But I think things are really starting to get out of hand. This really does not belong on the list - it is a police matter, and if it turns out it is not someone who you think it is, advertising the situation is just going to make it more difficult to find the culprit. Just my two cents - back to lurking. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer :) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
Just a quick question. Why is contacting the IMCA your first move, when it sounds like the police should be notified? Why bring this to the attention of the entire list, and furthermore expose yourself to to possible accusations of libel by accusing someone in this manner, especially if it happens to turn out that it was someone else who placed the device there? I am not taking any sides here. I purchased my first meteorite from Mike Farmer, and it was a very nice specimen. I have had no interaction with any of the other parties involved. But I think things are really starting to get out of hand. This really does not belong on the list - it is a police matter, and if it turns out it is not someone who you think it is, advertising the situation is just going to make it more difficult to find the culprit. Just my two cents - back to lurking. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer :) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
Hello, We all know it was the work of someone on this list, like maybe, Carl, or the Meteorite Men, or maybe even Michael Casper. Michael On Jul 19, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: Just a quick question. Why is contacting the IMCA your first move, when it sounds like the police should be notified? Why bring this to the attention of the entire list, and furthermore expose yourself to to possible accusations of libel by accusing someone in this manner, especially if it happens to turn out that it was someone else who placed the device there? I am not taking any sides here. I purchased my first meteorite from Mike Farmer, and it was a very nice specimen. I have had no interaction with any of the other parties involved. But I think things are really starting to get out of hand. This really does not belong on the list - it is a police matter, and if it turns out it is not someone who you think it is, advertising the situation is just going to make it more difficult to find the culprit. Just my two cents - back to lurking. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer :) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
Yes, but maybe it was some evil newbie at work! In any event, such is the price of fame. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com Cc: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! Hello, We all know it was the work of someone on this list, like maybe, Carl, or the Meteorite Men, or maybe even Michael Casper. Michael On Jul 19, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: Just a quick question. Why is contacting the IMCA your first move, when it sounds like the police should be notified? Why bring this to the attention of the entire list, and furthermore expose yourself to to possible accusations of libel by accusing someone in this manner, especially if it happens to turn out that it was someone else who placed the device there? I am not taking any sides here. I purchased my first meteorite from Mike Farmer, and it was a very nice specimen. I have had no interaction with any of the other parties involved. But I think things are really starting to get out of hand. This really does not belong on the list - it is a police matter, and if it turns out it is not someone who you think it is, advertising the situation is just going to make it more difficult to find the culprit. Just my two cents - back to lurking. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer :) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
Mike, Did you call the cops? Did you fill up a police report? Send me a copy of that police report. And if it is a joke, I'll expect an apology. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/19/2009 7:04:21 PM Mountain Daylight Time, meteorite...@yahoo.com writes: I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer **Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:23:24 EDT, you wrote: And if it is a joke, I'll expect an apology. Seemed to be blatantly obvioulsy a joke-- even before looking at the photo that removed any trace of a doubt-- and based on the meteorite hunting ethics thread. That whoosh sound passing over your head wasn't a meteorite. :-) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
Hello, Of course it is a joke, everyone knows that Acme brand tracking gizmos are useless. The best tracking devices are those made by Tom Brown The Tracker. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:23 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote: Mike, Did you call the cops? Did you fill up a police report? Send me a copy of that police report. And if it is a joke, I'll expect an apology. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/19/2009 7:04:21 PM Mountain Daylight Time, meteorite...@yahoo.com writes: I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer **Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
I guess the issue is that everyone expects Mike to act a certain way - not judging good or bad here at all - and when he switches gears, it catches some of us off guard! I'm willing to bet there were several list members who heard that whoosh over their heads! Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com To: impact...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! Hello, Of course it is a joke, everyone knows that Acme brand tracking gizmos are useless. The best tracking devices are those made by Tom Brown The Tracker. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:23 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote: Mike, Did you call the cops? Did you fill up a police report? Send me a copy of that police report. And if it is a joke, I'll expect an apology. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 7/19/2009 7:04:21 PM Mountain Daylight Time, meteorite...@yahoo.com writes: I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer **Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thanks!
Thanks to everyone for the photos! I will try not to dissapoint. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
Hi, I'm working in Shanghai (with the added benefit of being perfectly located for the upcoming total solar eclipse) and have paid scant attention to the list the last couple of weeks. Two threads woven together Mike, I believe Mark's advice is extremely wise on all counts. Separately, but not altogether, re the subject of of the best meteorite hunter---If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times: if we're talking about who has inherited Bob Haag's mantle...if we're talking about who has kicked the temperature of meteorite awareness up several notches, I'm confident history will reveal we are living in the Mike Farmer Era. While Mike may not possess the most unparalleled meteorite hunting skill set (the same could be said of Bob) his recent finds, recoveries, tenacity and accompanying bandwidth have done more for the recent widespread popularization of meteorites than any other hunter--by far. I've taken the most diplomatic and most circumspect out of the equation ;-) All best to everyone / Darryl On Jul 19, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: Just a quick question. Why is contacting the IMCA your first move, when it sounds like the police should be notified? Why bring this to the attention of the entire list, and furthermore expose yourself to to possible accusations of libel by accusing someone in this manner, especially if it happens to turn out that it was someone else who placed the device there? I am not taking any sides here. I purchased my first meteorite from Mike Farmer, and it was a very nice specimen. I have had no interaction with any of the other parties involved. But I think things are really starting to get out of hand. This really does not belong on the list - it is a police matter, and if it turns out it is not someone who you think it is, advertising the situation is just going to make it more difficult to find the culprit. Just my two cents - back to lurking. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer :) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
Darryl posted: I'm confident history will reveal we are living in the Mike Farmer Era. Dear Darryl: Friend to friend, please go easy on the raw opium while you're out there in mysterious Orient. I know it makes you feel all giddy for a while, but they tell me it can make you a little crazy over time : ) Hey, I'm just kiddin' with you. I hope Dianne's tour is going well and please make time to come back and see us in February for the 2010 gem show. Cheers from Tucson, Geoff N. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - July 20, 2009
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/July_20_2009.html __ **What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood0009) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car!
The lost data, think of the lost data! Has the precautions necessary to protect the integrity of a site really come to HALO jumping?? Thanks for the laugh Mike, Ruben or whoever came up with it... (I've got to go now and check the car and truck...) Mark B. Vail, AZ --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] GPS Device located on my car! To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 9:51 AM I demand a full IMCA investigation. Today while preparing to depart for field operations in southern Arizona, Greg Hupe discovered an illicit GPS tracking device placed under my car! Ruben, I know it was you! This is an outrage, I feel so violated that the trauma may keep me out of the field for a few days. Sadly this will lead to the loss of inmportant data. Below is a photo of the object discovered. Anyone with any information on this object please call me ASAP. http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/tracker.JPG My wife will now be dropping us from her airplane into the hot zone. Camping at my gate is futile. Michael Farmer :) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - July 20, 2009
Great shot! Thanks to Geoff and the others who put together a great event. You've certainly inspired a lot of future meteorite enthusiasts that day!! Mark B. Vail, AZ P.S. Is someone really going to dust that ACME Track-R for fingerprints? 8?/ --- On Sun, 7/19/09, spacerocks...@aol.com spacerocks...@aol.com wrote: From: spacerocks...@aol.com spacerocks...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - July 20, 2009 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 9:04 PM http://www.rocksfromspace.org/July_20_2009.html __ **What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood0009) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I need someone to slice some Gibeon
Hi all, I need someone to slice some gibeon, super super thin, and small. I was thinking Karl in South Africa. But I don't know how to get in touch with him, anybody know? I need small disks about 7 mm across, and only 2 mm thick. Any suggestions? Thanks everyone, Leigh Anne __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 8 Month Anniversary of Buzzard Coulee - Any sign of export permits?
Hi List! Today is the 8-month anniversary of the Buzzard Coulee fall. Has there been any word about export permits being issued? And with the more recent falls grabbing up all of the attention, has anyone been continuing to hunt the BC strewnfield? Best regards, MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 8 Month Anniversary of Buzzard Coulee - Any signof export permits?
Nothing yet with mine but not anticipating word till Oct/Nov, MT and Sonny should be first out...and soon I would think. Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] 8 Month Anniversary of Buzzard Coulee - Any signof export permits? Hi List! Today is the 8-month anniversary of the Buzzard Coulee fall. Has there been any word about export permits being issued? And with the more recent falls grabbing up all of the attention, has anyone been continuing to hunt the BC strewnfield? Best regards, MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ACME tracking device
I suspect that it was really Wile E. Coyoteeveryone knows he has always used ACME devices. Perhaps you should get The Roadrunner to help you outwit that Wile E. culprit! ;-) All the best, Brian __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
