Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results
Same here Matt. And one thing I noticed was the larger more expensive pieces getting fewer bids and going for relatively bargain prices (or did not sell) while many smaller items seemed to push well beyond the original estimate with very active bidding. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com To: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results I bid on several, only to lose the 5 of the items by 100 pounds. Frustrating. Wish there was a better interface for this auction. Matt --Original Message-- From: Michael Fowler Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Michael Fowler Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Sent: Aug 18, 2009 11:38 AM http://www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=1ps=25st=Dsale_no=262 Thanks Matt, My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many items selling for fair to high prices. I bid on one lot at more than twice the high estimate, and did not get it. Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming Meteorite Market Trends. Mike Fowler Chicago __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website
Magnificent website Mike, great approach! You have a fine taste not only for elusive stones but also for photographic angles. Its always a pleasure to view accounts of meteorite hunts put together this skilful, regardless if they have been successful or not. Thanks fo sharing. Svend www.meteorite-recon.com Good Evening List, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce my new site: www.HistoricMeteorites.com It didn't make much sense to keep AstroArtifacts, as I no longer collect Space Program Hardware and meteorites are not artifacts, so I have been working on a new site for the last few months. I wanted a site and name that best represent my personal collecting habits and Historic Meteorites was just the fit. There are some sections that will not be complete for a few months including my collection gallery. Its crazy the amount of time it takes to photograph and describe each piece. I hope to have that part finished by Fall of this year. Those of you who aren't tapped out from the Elliott Auction can visit the sales page direct here: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html There are many nice specimens including some extremely rare falls for sale. Please contact me off-list if you see something you want or if you catch any typos or problems with the site. I appreciate your time! Cheers, Mike Bandli __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.meteorite-recon.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bells Buyer
If the person who purchased Bells (lot # 97) in the Rob Elliot auction belongs to this list, please contact Me off list. Thanks, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results
This is very typical of auctions for just about anything, it is not unique to meteorites. I've been to antique auctions where high priced items got passed over while low end things got fought over. Same is true for horses and cattle (which I have personal knowledge of). Next time you bid at an auction, especially a live one, pay attention to what goes on inside your head. Most people have a limit of how much they will bid per increment and also what price they will drop out. However, it's easy to get sucked into bidding $10 or $20 or $50 more than you your original plan. It's easy to twenty dollar yourself to death at auctions. In my opinion, it's easier to justify bidding on twenty $50 items rather than one $1,000 item even though they have the same total value. Auction bidding can get addictive. Best, John Gwilliam At 12:25 AM 8/19/2009, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Same here Matt. And one thing I noticed was the larger more expensive pieces getting fewer bids and going for relatively bargain prices (or did not sell) while many smaller items seemed to push well beyond the original estimate with very active bidding. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com To: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results I bid on several, only to lose the 5 of the items by 100 pounds. Frustrating. Wish there was a better interface for this auction. Matt --Original Message-- From: Michael Fowler Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Michael Fowler Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Sent: Aug 18, 2009 11:38 AM http://www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=1ps=25st=Dsale_no=262 Thanks Matt, My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many items selling for fair to high prices. I bid on one lot at more than twice the high estimate, and did not get it. Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming Meteorite Market Trends. Mike Fowler Chicago __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website
Mike, Congratulations on the great site. A class act. I will contact you off list (as requested in your post) to see how much you want for your West stones pictured on your West Expedition page. ;-) Best of luck in building the site up with even more awesome specimens and more great stories. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men In a message dated 8/18/2009 8:10:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fuzzf...@comcast.net writes: Good Evening List, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce my new site: www.HistoricMeteorites.com It didn't make much sense to keep AstroArtifacts, as I no longer collect Space Program Hardware and meteorites are not artifacts, so I have been working on a new site for the last few months. I wanted a site and name that best represent my personal collecting habits and Historic Meteorites was just the fit. There are some sections that will not be complete for a few months including my collection gallery. Its crazy the amount of time it takes to photograph and describe each piece. I hope to have that part finished by Fall of this year. Those of you who aren't tapped out from the Elliott Auction can visit the sales page direct here: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html There are many nice specimens including some extremely rare falls for sale. Please contact me off-list if you see something you want or if you catch any typos or problems with the site. I appreciate your time! Cheers, Mike Bandli **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] more updates (ad)
Hi again list.I have 23 people who are getting freebies. I have alot more.I also have a 76 gram sikote-alin with 2 holes forsale.Pics later.$300 will take it home. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk
Hello Mike, Frank and All, I doubt our pieces of Bogou share a room at the Hotel Cureton. My piece came from a university collection that likely acquired the specimen in the early 1970s. I suspect it originally came from either the Smithsonian or directly from a museum in Africa. I think the Smithsonian is most likely since that is where a majority of the mass is housed, as well as the fact that many other small iron samples in the university collection came with Smithsonian documentation. I don't know if you have it, but here is the link to Met Bull 25 that contains the Bogou entry. A wonderful little story. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/docs/mb25.pdf Best, Martin On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Mike Bandlifuzzf...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Frank, That piece is beautiful and the re-heated rim is incredible. I believe Jay Piatek is the current and proud owner. I'm afraid to refinish or etch mine, as it would risk losing what little of the frail fusion crust remains. Cheers, Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: Frank Cressy [mailto:fcre...@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:17 PM To: Mike Bandli; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk Hi Martin, Mike, and all, I've always liked Bogou too, probably because of the photo below from Al Lang's site. Unfortunately I don't have a specimen :-( http://www.nyrockman.com/museum/bogou-8.htm Al's etched part slice has a very cool heat-affected rim on it. Of course the question concernimg your specimens is: Do they also have a heat-affected rim? and do you a). refinish and etch it to see, or b). leave as is. (Just thought I'd add another variable to the equation) Cheers, Frank From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:46:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk Hello Martin and All, http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/august/Accretion_Desk.htm It’s nice to see a witnessed iron on the Accretion Desk this month. It is quite easy to forget that witnessed iron falls are incredibly rare. In fact, according to the MetBull database, witnessed HED’s are more abundant than irons at ~69 witnessed HED achondrites to ~49 witnessed irons. Even at that number, iron falls are so highly prized by museums and institutions, that you are lucky to find anything outside of Sikote-Alin, Udei Station, or the occasional Boguslavka or Braunau. I was surprised to see that Martin’s piece has a ‘hack-saw’ cut job – something I thought was unique to my piece of Bogou: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-3.jpg I purchased my Bogou several years ago (ex. Cureton Collection) sight-unseen and re-etching and cutting off the hack-saw marks and 'hanging chads' has always been on my to-do list until I read Martin’s article. It is easy to forget that those blemishes can actually help tell the story and human interaction involved with particular specimens. In fact, I think a hacked-up Bogou looks just fine now ☺ Martin also reminds us of how delicate and rare -real- fusion crust on an iron is. On Bogou, it is like the thin crust of a croissant and can easily flake off if not handled properly: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-2.jpg Finally, the ‘good’ side, showing the curvature of the specimen. One can only imagine how impressive a full slice would be: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-1.jpg Martin, I wonder if our specimens shared a jar with the Cureton Collection? 6 Irons Old, Mike Bandli __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results
Jeff nailed it. The smaller items had a larger pool of bidders who could afford them - so bidding was more competitive. The larger items appealed only to a smaller pool of monied collectors - so the bidding was more subdued. It usually happens that way with these types of auctions. The ones who can afford it the most, get the bargains, while the petty bidders pay the most. On 8/19/09, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: Same here Matt. And one thing I noticed was the larger more expensive pieces getting fewer bids and going for relatively bargain prices (or did not sell) while many smaller items seemed to push well beyond the original estimate with very active bidding. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com To: Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results I bid on several, only to lose the 5 of the items by 100 pounds. Frustrating. Wish there was a better interface for this auction. Matt --Original Message-- From: Michael Fowler Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Michael Fowler Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Sent: Aug 18, 2009 11:38 AM http://www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=1ps=25st=Dsale_no=262 Thanks Matt, My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many items selling for fair to high prices. I bid on one lot at more than twice the high estimate, and did not get it. Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming Meteorite Market Trends. Mike Fowler Chicago __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD:www.InternationalMeteoriteHuntersAssociation.com for sale
Dear List, Anyone interested in purchasing a domain name that I own: http://www.InternationalMeteoriteHuntersAssociation.com Please let me know. I will sell it for a reasonable price but buyer must understand how to transfer the Domain to their name. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo Maybe even the IMCA may be interested in a co-organization? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad)
Mr. Arnold, it's absolutely not interesting for me to read how many dozens of people you've connected with your personal Ego-hell by presenting them meteorites. Which serves for you only as a background for one AD after the other, against the well known rule. May I remind you: it's not too long ago that you promised to retire from meteorites and from this list. Word? Sincerely, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) Hi again list.I have 23 people who are getting freebies. I have alot more.I also have a 76 gram sikote-alin with 2 holes forsale.Pics later.$300 will take it home. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad)
it's absolutely not interesting for me to read how many dozens of people you've connected with your personal Ego-hell by presenting them meteorites. It doesn't bother me...I rather enjoy getting the freebies and look forward to them. Thanks Steven. GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad)
Whats the deal with all this? Can you not send this as PM or keep this off list? I am really getting tired of getting all these bitchfest emails from people about Cottinghams ads, Chicago Steves posts etc... Is there not enough drama on here as it is? IS there really need to vent your opinions publicly? (yes I am here, but damn if Im not tired of hitting delete and having my email and phone flooded with this!) DO you all not understand that the actions of replying to posts about or by people that you dont like is far worse and bothersome to this community then the posts you are posting about? Sure, some of you have issues with Steve, Sure some of you have issues with Cottinghams ads and his constant posting of http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ But do we all need to know? I am sure we all know already. I am sure the owner of the list is fine with the ads and the members on here, otherwise something would have been done already. So I am asking, PLEASE STOP. The amount of posts per day from people complaining far exceeds the ads and posts from Steve put together for a month! If you dont like the person or the ads, keep it off list, no need to bother everyone with your issues and name calling. Contact the owner, contact the poster, contact Obama, contact anyone else off list for that matter. I dont want to read it anymore! For those that missed it, some great items are for sale on ebay! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites!QQhtZ-1 http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/m.html Greg C. PS. sorry for those I missed! --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de wrote: From: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) To: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 12:06 PM Mr. Arnold, it's absolutely not interesting for me to read how many dozens of people you've connected with your personal Ego-hell by presenting them meteorites. Which serves for you only as a background for one AD after the other, against the well known rule. May I remind you: it's not too long ago that you promised to retire from meteorites and from this list. Word? Sincerely, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) Hi again list.I have 23 people who are getting freebies. I have alot more.I also have a 76 gram sikote-alin with 2 holes forsale.Pics later.$300 will take it home. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 19, 2009
Hello Andi and List, Now that is one interesting iron Andi has for Picture of The Day, NWA 5804! It has the strangest matrix, and look at that thick crust. Nice acquisition, Andi! http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_19_2009.html Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: spacerocks...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 19,2009 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_19_2009.html __ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad)
Hi Greg, You wrote: I dont want to read it anymore! The same the others wrote about Steve's spam. Why do you expect the others to do you the favour, not to molest you with their complaints about Steve, while you say it doesn't matter, that they are molested by Steve's spam? Illogical, isn't it? Ooops, I forget to hide an ad in that post... Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg Catterton Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2009 18:30 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) Whats the deal with all this? Can you not send this as PM or keep this off list? I am really getting tired of getting all these bitchfest emails from people about Cottinghams ads, Chicago Steves posts etc... Is there not enough drama on here as it is? IS there really need to vent your opinions publicly? (yes I am here, but damn if Im not tired of hitting delete and having my email and phone flooded with this!) DO you all not understand that the actions of replying to posts about or by people that you dont like is far worse and bothersome to this community then the posts you are posting about? Sure, some of you have issues with Steve, Sure some of you have issues with Cottinghams ads and his constant posting of http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ But do we all need to know? I am sure we all know already. I am sure the owner of the list is fine with the ads and the members on here, otherwise something would have been done already. So I am asking, PLEASE STOP. The amount of posts per day from people complaining far exceeds the ads and posts from Steve put together for a month! If you dont like the person or the ads, keep it off list, no need to bother everyone with your issues and name calling. Contact the owner, contact the poster, contact Obama, contact anyone else off list for that matter. I dont want to read it anymore! For those that missed it, some great items are for sale on ebay! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites!QQhtZ-1 http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/m.html Greg C. PS. sorry for those I missed! --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de wrote: From: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) To: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 12:06 PM Mr. Arnold, it's absolutely not interesting for me to read how many dozens of people you've connected with your personal Ego-hell by presenting them meteorites. Which serves for you only as a background for one AD after the other, against the well known rule. May I remind you: it's not too long ago that you promised to retire from meteorites and from this list. Word? Sincerely, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) Hi again list.I have 23 people who are getting freebies. I have alot more.I also have a 76 gram sikote-alin with 2 holes forsale.Pics later.$300 will take it home. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad)
Hi Greg, Steve #2c, Michael C, and Gary Busey, I'm sorry Greg, but my world-class email exclusion filters are now set to delete everyone's posts. I now rule the group! Each day, I now have the freedom to talk all I want and not be bothered with silly things like replies or the opinions of others. The silence is bliss. I was cleaning out my trash bin when I noticed this message you posted, and I thought I would go ahead and reply while I am waiting for my next muse to strike me. FWIW, I have my much-vaunted filters to delete all messages that contain the following content in the body or subject line - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ or http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 or http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/ or http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle Notice the last filter, where I have blocked myself. Now that I have silenced my incessant rambling, the List is a joy! ;) Best regards, MikeG PS - yes, Gary Busey is really a meteorite collector, I didn't make that part up. On 8/19/09, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: Whats the deal with all this? Can you not send this as PM or keep this off list? I am really getting tired of getting all these bitchfest emails from people about Cottinghams ads, Chicago Steves posts etc... Is there not enough drama on here as it is? IS there really need to vent your opinions publicly? (yes I am here, but damn if Im not tired of hitting delete and having my email and phone flooded with this!) DO you all not understand that the actions of replying to posts about or by people that you dont like is far worse and bothersome to this community then the posts you are posting about? Sure, some of you have issues with Steve, Sure some of you have issues with Cottinghams ads and his constant posting of http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ But do we all need to know? I am sure we all know already. I am sure the owner of the list is fine with the ads and the members on here, otherwise something would have been done already. So I am asking, PLEASE STOP. The amount of posts per day from people complaining far exceeds the ads and posts from Steve put together for a month! If you dont like the person or the ads, keep it off list, no need to bother everyone with your issues and name calling. Contact the owner, contact the poster, contact Obama, contact anyone else off list for that matter. I dont want to read it anymore! For those that missed it, some great items are for sale on ebay! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites!QQhtZ-1 http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/m.html Greg C. PS. sorry for those I missed! --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de wrote: From: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) To: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 12:06 PM Mr. Arnold, it's absolutely not interesting for me to read how many dozens of people you've connected with your personal Ego-hell by presenting them meteorites. Which serves for you only as a background for one AD after the other, against the well known rule. May I remind you: it's not too long ago that you promised to retire from meteorites and from this list. Word? Sincerely, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) Hi again list.I have 23 people who are getting freebies. I have alot more.I also have a 76 gram sikote-alin with 2 holes forsale.Pics later.$300 will take it home. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay -
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 19, 2009
Hi Greg and List, Wow. When I first saw that link, I thought maybe Michael had made a rare typographical error. That is really an iron? I had no idea that irons could have a fusion crust that thick. And that matrix is almost bizarre to look at. I'm very curious what the final word on this specimen will be. The provisional classification is iron ungrouped. But that is a rather broad catch-all typing - I'm looking forward to learning more about it. Are there any papers about it in the works? Best regards, MikeG On 8/19/09, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: Hello Andi and List, Now that is one interesting iron Andi has for Picture of The Day, NWA 5804! It has the strangest matrix, and look at that thick crust. Nice acquisition, Andi! http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_19_2009.html Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: spacerocks...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 19,2009 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_19_2009.html __ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions end in 1 day
Hello List, I have some nice meteorites and meteorite books auctions ending in 1 day: Books: - Tunguska Meteorite Krinov E.L. 1949: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190328358165 - Messengers of the Universe. Krinov E.L. 1963: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190328355705 All items are here: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/svassiliev__W0QQ_armrsZ1 Thank you for your time! Sergey --- Sergey Vasiliev U Dalnice 839 Prague 5, 155 00 Czech Republic --- http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://impactites.net http://systematic-mineralogy.com http://kazakhstan-minerals.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804
Hello List, These graphite rosettes are truly unique when you look at them close-up and so is part of the fusion crust which looks, well, ... which looks like those eucrite pebbles in Vaca Muerta - unbelievable as that may sound! Best wishes from the happy owner of a 14.74-gr slice of NWA 5804, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804
Hi Bernd! Are you volunteering to post more photos of this unusual and beautiful iron? ;) Best regards, MikeG On 19 Aug 2009 16:57:52 UT, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Hello List, These graphite rosettes are truly unique when you look at them close-up and so is part of the fusion crust which looks, well, ... which looks like those eucrite pebbles in Vaca Muerta - unbelievable as that may sound! Best wishes from the happy owner of a 14.74-gr slice of NWA 5804, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804
Hello Bernd, and other happy owners of NWA 5804, Congrats on your nice score, Bernd. Do you have a close-up of rosettes? What is the TKW of 5804? Truly a crazily-impressive meteorite! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 Hello List, These graphite rosettes are truly unique when you look at them close-up and so is part of the fusion crust which looks, well, ... which looks like those eucrite pebbles in Vaca Muerta - unbelievable as that may sound! Best wishes from the happy owner of a 14.74-gr slice of NWA 5804, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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To test drive SIGI 3, please go to http://www.sigi3.org/tryit.asp and use code 1BX380JP. You can use this as much as you like for 30 days from your first access. Paul Swartz __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Spirit Hits 2,000
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2285 Spirit Hits 2,000 Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 18, 2009 Today marks the 2,000th Martian day, or sol, of what was initially planned as a 90-sol mission on Mars for NASA's Spirit rover. Spirit's twin, Opportunity, will reach the 2,000-sol milestone on Sept. 8. Both rovers have found rocks altered by past action of water on Mars. Both show some signs of aging but remain capable of further scientific investigations. Since their landing halfway around the planet from each other in January 2004, Spirit has driven 4.8 miles and Opportunity has driven 10.7 miles. Together, they have returned more than 246,000 images. Each Martian sol lasts about 40 minutes longer than an Earth day. More information on the rovers is at http://www.nasa.gov/rovers . __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars
I hope that this email doesn't offend anyone. I mention two particular people who I won't name, but for the most part I am speaking in general. I've been on this list for several months now. I joined for all the reasons people usually join a mailing list; To make contacts with others that have similar interests to learn from these other people, and hopefully to eventually contribute something of substance to the group. For the first week or so after I joined the list, I started learning the players, and learning a bit more about meteorites. After about a week, someone posted a message about some material they had to offer. Another person asked what it was and whoo classified it. The first person answered the questions. Simple, clear and exactly as one would expect. Both were reasonable and courteous to the other. As a new collector who knew only a few people in the field, this interaction was exactly what I wanted to see. Since the meteorite market is so thin and a lot of it is based on faith, faith that what is being offered is exactly what is being represented. It is important to me that the people I interact with, and purchase from, act professionally at all times. I have to have faith in this person. I have to trust them. This goes for the full time dealer as well as the vest pocket dealer who sells to improve his or her personal collection... I have purchased from both of these people, one of them has provided me with a large percentage of my collection purchases since then. I won't hesitate buying from either one... Having a good reputation is important to me. Being professional is too. What shocked me, as a new member was how many other people jumped in, making wild accusations, going off on tangents, much of which was not even remotely related to the original post, the question, or the reply. It was an eye opening event for me. A number of people who sell lost any chance to get my business. Since then there have been multiple flare ups, which has further reduced the pool of sellers I will do business with. Those I have lost faith in; Those who I can't trust. I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone who does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We all have our moments) Of course people who don't sell don't really care about this, but that shouldn't be an excuse. The Golden Rule should apply... Some of the people on this list are also on the list I have run for over a decade, the Minor Planet Mailing List. That list has over 1200 subscribers and has a great mix of both professional and amateur astronomers with the common interest in asteroids and comets. I run the list with a very light hand. Scientific discussion and debate are welcome and encouraged, but one of the things that will get you moderated or banned is personal attacks. One of the worst things that can happen to any mailing list is unbridled flames wars. I recently read here that this list was filled with scientists in the field of meteoritics, but now most have gone. Apparently previous flames caused them to leave. Thats a sad comment. I am in no way telling this list's owner how to run the list, but we have found that this policy works extremely well on MPML. Those who do make personal attacks rarely contribute anything of substance to the list, so losing them is not much of a loss... Please keep the great information coming. It is what makes being a member of this list worth while. Please reconsider your posts before hitting the send button if there is no useful information in your message... Sorry for the length of this email. Thanks for letting me comment. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson's Flandrau Science Center Faces Closure
Dear Listees: I thought some of you -- especially those who visit Tucson on a regular basis -- might be interested in this story: http://tucsoncitizen.com/lizard/2009/08/18/tucson-it-is-time-to-step-up-be-counted-and-save-the-great-flandrau-science-center/ The late O. Richard Norton was a former director of the Flandrau and they have an impressive meteorite collection, made up partly from donations by Bob Haag, the late Jim Kriegh and others. The U of A Mineral Museum, located in the basement of the Flandrau, has the main masses of two very rare Arizona irons: Silverbell and Weaver Mountain. The mineral collection comprises 19,000 specimens. Assuming (hoping) it's still open in February, the Mineral Museum is well worth a visit for those attending the 2010 Tucson gem show. Respectfully, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Please ignore my most recent email. It was sent in error. Paul Swartz __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Interesting
Don't look like meteorites to me! http://www.heralddemocrat.com/hd/News/2009_08-19_news_Meteorite-Texoma-Luella _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question
List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Good afternoon, Folks, I can't speak for today's meteorite market, but back in the early 2000's it was the Lunar meteorite Calcalong Creek. Small specimens were selling at about $75,000.00 per gram. I know because I bought some from Rob Elliot at that price, and made money re-selling specimens. Just incredible!!! Best regards, Paul Savannah GA In a message dated 2009/08/19 3:29:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stanleygr...@hotmail.com writes: List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackT oSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Hi Greg, I'll take a stab at this one. The most expensive meteorite I have bought was Sylacauga. A 1mg Bessey Speck cost me $100. That is a staggering $100,000.00 a gram. I would wager that the most valuable meteorites are probably historical falls - history usually trumps type when it comes to market value. Best regards, MikeG On 8/19/09, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find
Dear List, Thank you for all your on- and off-List reactions. In general your advice is, to have it classified, including terrestrial dating, and to try to find as much as possible information on the find of this stone. I also have some references now, from the isotope terrestrial age determination. Thanks! Rob - Original Message - From: Rob Lenssen rlens...@planet.nl To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: looking for classification advice for fresh find Dear List, I received a new meteorite directly from a Moroccan dealer last week, that looks remarkably fresh. The dealer told me the 314g stone was broken in (three) fragments by the nomad who found it. Also the name of the town of find was provided. My first thought was that it would be one of recent years falls. The dealer insists it's not. As I thought the price to be OK, I decided to buy. I studied the pieces, and compared them to my Bassikounou: The material looks whiter than Bassikounou (that again looks whiter (less grey) than Chergach to me). It has a lot of free iron (more than visible in the photographs) and few visible larger chondrules. Based on the free iron, I would not expect it to be LL like Bensour. Tested with a magnet, it is attracted strongly, but slightly less than Bassikounou an H-type chondrite. And last, the crust has almost no dust (fine sand) contamination, like Bassikounou typically has. My question is how to deal with this stone, with respect to classification. Does this stone deserve more than the standard NWA classification? Should for instance terrestrial age be determined? I would appreciate some guidance from List members who are (professionally) involved in meteorite research. http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/314g/314g-NWA.html Kind regards, Rob Lenssen __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Greg, I would guess that Semarkona would bring a very high price per gram if any of it would come on the market. Also, some of the very low TKW carbonacious chondrites with a historical twist could be in the top price ranges. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men In a message dated 8/19/2009 2:29:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stanleygr...@hotmail.com writes: List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804
Hi List, thanks a lot for all the kind words about the finally classified ungrouped iron meteorite. The Meteorite was purchased in 2005 at the Munich mineral fair, the TKW is 726g. Here are the test results: : Bulk Composition: INAA data (J. Duke, UAb): Ni = 11.54 ± 0.03 wt%, Co = 0.509 ± 0.003 wt%, Ga = 35.8 ± 0.4 μg/g, Ge = 28 ± 4 μg/g, Ir = 0.196 ± 0.008 μg/g, Au = 1.04 ± 0.02 μg/g, As = 13.0 ± 0.2 μg/g, Cu = 307 ± 23 μg/g, Cr = 32 ± 5 μg/g (uncertainties 1, 68% confidence level), W ≤ 0.27 μg/g, Re ≤ 0.05 μg/g. Although Ni, Ga and Ge concentrations are similar to the IAB-sLM/sLH group, the Au concentration is well below the minimum 1.3 ug/g required to consider it part of the IAB complex. I don't really know if I'm already allowed to public this details, but I hope it will be fine The picture from RFSPOD shows no meteoritic structure but the light angle gives the best sight to the Graphite inclusions I will show some more pictures, please feel free to take a look if interested: Main Mass: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA_Iron_main.jpg Magnifying: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron2.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron3.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron4.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Gren_iron_1.jpg (copyright by Ted Bunch) some slices: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron1.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_11.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_12.jpg Details Graphite Inclusions: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_13.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_14.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_24.jpg This is no AD, I'm sold out. Thanks to Chris Herd for classification. Thanks to the Hupe Brothers for the hint where to classify. Best greetings Andi (and special thanks to my friend Koppli from Bavaria) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2009 19:16 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 Hello Bernd, and other happy owners of NWA 5804, Congrats on your nice score, Bernd. Do you have a close-up of rosettes? What is the TKW of 5804? Truly a crazily-impressive meteorite! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 Hello List, These graphite rosettes are truly unique when you look at them close-up and so is part of the fusion crust which looks, well, ... which looks like those eucrite pebbles in Vaca Muerta - unbelievable as that may sound! Best wishes from the happy owner of a 14.74-gr slice of NWA 5804, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WG: RFSPOD - NWA 5804
Hi List, thanks a lot for all the kind words about the finally classified ungrouped iron meteorite. The Meteorite was purchased in 2005 at the Munich mineral fair, the TKW is 726g. Here are the test results: : Bulk Composition: INAA data (J. Duke, UAb): Ni = 11.54 ± 0.03 wt%, Co = 0.509 ± 0.003 wt%, Ga = 35.8 ± 0.4 μg/g, Ge = 28 ± 4 μg/g, Ir = 0.196 ± 0.008 μg/g, Au = 1.04 ± 0.02 μg/g, As = 13.0 ± 0.2 μg/g, Cu = 307 ± 23 μg/g, Cr = 32 ± 5 μg/g (uncertainties 1, 68% confidence level), W ≤ 0.27 μg/g, Re ≤ 0.05 μg/g. Although Ni, Ga and Ge concentrations are similar to the IAB-sLM/sLH group, the Au concentration is well below the minimum 1.3 ug/g required to consider it part of the IAB complex. I don't really know if I'm already allowed to public this details, but I hope it will be fine The picture from RFSPOD shows no meteoritic structure but the light angle gives the best sight to the Graphite inclusions I will show some more pictures, please feel free to take a look if interested: Main Mass: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA_Iron_main.jpg Magnifying: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron2.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron3.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron4.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Gren_iron_1.jpg (copyright by Ted Bunch) some slices: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron1.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_11.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_12.jpg Details Graphite Inclusions: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_13.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_14.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_24.jpg This is no AD, I'm sold out. Thanks to Chris Herd for classification. Thanks to the Hupe Brothers for the hint where to classify. Best greetings Andi (and special thanks to my friend Koppli from Bavaria) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2009 19:16 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 Hello Bernd, and other happy owners of NWA 5804, Congrats on your nice score, Bernd. Do you have a close-up of rosettes? What is the TKW of 5804? Truly a crazily-impressive meteorite! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 Hello List, These graphite rosettes are truly unique when you look at them close-up and so is part of the fusion crust which looks, well, ... which looks like those eucrite pebbles in Vaca Muerta - unbelievable as that may sound! Best wishes from the happy owner of a 14.74-gr slice of NWA 5804, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars
Amen brother. I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone who does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We all have our moments) I can not agree more with this statement. As a new comer to this I was horrified and embarrassed by the content of a lot of the messages that came across it. Unfortunately, this list was my first impression of the meteorite community and while I have met some very amazing and brilliant people through this list, the conduct and arrogance from the bad apples has left a bad taste in my mouth regarding this community as a whole. The simple fact that the largest thread on this list since I've been on here was titled Who is the best meteorite hunter in the world, speaks volumes. A problem I have witnessed in many industries over many years is that really smart people sometimes get a little full of themselves (because they are so smart). The first job I had out of college was for the Credit Card company Visa. There were 100s of brilliant software engineers that worked in my office. Sometimes they were too smart for anyone else, so smart they were often blind to things that were right in front of their face (like the internet becoming the power house of e-commerce (job was in 94). I remember my boss saying to these guys in a meeting once, when they were acting like arrogant fools: we aren't curing cancer here guys. get a grip. I will be spending 10s of thousands of dollars on meteorites in the next year. 100s of thousands of dollars on meteorites over the next 5 years (yes I'm totally hooked on these things). I will absolutely never buy anything from anyone who has acted out or been a prick on this list. Before I make a purchase I search the meteorite list archives for the seller, and if they are a jerk I look else where. Being nice is good for business. Sincerely, Mike Hankey http://www.mikesastrophotos.com On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Richard Kowalskidamoc...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope that this email doesn't offend anyone. I mention two particular people who I won't name, but for the most part I am speaking in general. I've been on this list for several months now. I joined for all the reasons people usually join a mailing list; To make contacts with others that have similar interests to learn from these other people, and hopefully to eventually contribute something of substance to the group. For the first week or so after I joined the list, I started learning the players, and learning a bit more about meteorites. After about a week, someone posted a message about some material they had to offer. Another person asked what it was and whoo classified it. The first person answered the questions. Simple, clear and exactly as one would expect. Both were reasonable and courteous to the other. As a new collector who knew only a few people in the field, this interaction was exactly what I wanted to see. Since the meteorite market is so thin and a lot of it is based on faith, faith that what is being offered is exactly what is being represented. It is important to me that the people I interact with, and purchase from, act professionally at all times. I have to have faith in this person. I have to trust them. This goes for the full time dealer as well as the vest pocket dealer who sells to improve his or her personal collection... I have purchased from both of these people, one of them has provided me with a large percentage of my collection purchases since then. I won't hesitate buying from either one... Having a good reputation is important to me. Being professional is too. What shocked me, as a new member was how many other people jumped in, making wild accusations, going off on tangents, much of which was not even remotely related to the original post, the question, or the reply. It was an eye opening event for me. A number of people who sell lost any chance to get my business. Since then there have been multiple flare ups, which has further reduced the pool of sellers I will do business with. Those I have lost faith in; Those who I can't trust. I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone who does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We all have our moments) Of course people who don't sell don't really care about this, but that shouldn't be an excuse. The Golden Rule should apply... Some of the people on this list are also on the list I have run for over a decade, the Minor Planet Mailing List. That list has over 1200 subscribers and has a great mix of both professional and amateur astronomers with the common interest in
Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804
Hi Andi, Thank you for sharing the excellent photos. From the Pic-o-Day photo it looked like it had a black fusion crust, but after viewing the uncut mass photo, it looks like it must have been shadows in the slice picture. It does appear to have a thick crust in some areas, is this the case? Congrats again, Andi, for your fantastic meteorite! I had not seen this material until today with Michael Johnson's RFSPOD post, otherwise I would have inquired about what was available. Now I see there is nothing available :-/ If a nice slice or end cut is made available, please let me know! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Andreas Gren i...@meteoritenhaus.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 Hi List, thanks a lot for all the kind words about the finally classified ungrouped iron meteorite. The Meteorite was purchased in 2005 at the Munich mineral fair, the TKW is 726g. Here are the test results: : Bulk Composition: INAA data (J. Duke, UAb): Ni = 11.54 ± 0.03 wt%, Co = 0.509 ± 0.003 wt%, Ga = 35.8 ± 0.4 μg/g, Ge = 28 ± 4 μg/g, Ir = 0.196 ± 0.008 μg/g, Au = 1.04 ± 0.02 μg/g, As = 13.0 ± 0.2 μg/g, Cu = 307 ± 23 μg/g, Cr = 32 ± 5 μg/g (uncertainties 1, 68% confidence level), W ≤ 0.27 μg/g, Re ≤ 0.05 μg/g. Although Ni, Ga and Ge concentrations are similar to the IAB-sLM/sLH group, the Au concentration is well below the minimum 1.3 ug/g required to consider it part of the IAB complex. I don't really know if I'm already allowed to public this details, but I hope it will be fine The picture from RFSPOD shows no meteoritic structure but the light angle gives the best sight to the Graphite inclusions I will show some more pictures, please feel free to take a look if interested: Main Mass: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA_Iron_main.jpg Magnifying: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron2.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron3.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron4.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Gren_iron_1.jpg (copyright by Ted Bunch) some slices: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron1.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_11.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_12.jpg Details Graphite Inclusions: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_13.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_14.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_24.jpg This is no AD, I'm sold out. Thanks to Chris Herd for classification. Thanks to the Hupe Brothers for the hint where to classify. Best greetings Andi (and special thanks to my friend Koppli from Bavaria) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2009 19:16 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 Hello Bernd, and other happy owners of NWA 5804, Congrats on your nice score, Bernd. Do you have a close-up of rosettes? What is the TKW of 5804? Truly a crazily-impressive meteorite! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 Hello List, These graphite rosettes are truly unique when you look at them close-up and so is part of the fusion crust which looks, well, ... which looks like those eucrite pebbles in Vaca Muerta - unbelievable as that may sound! Best wishes from the happy owner of a 14.74-gr slice of NWA 5804, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Last I saw, one of the priciest meteorites was the Martian Governador Valadares, of which only a few grams has ever made it out of institutions for private collectors. Milligrams cost thousands, and Bill Gates couldn't afford the main mass, should it ever become available. Best! Tracy Latimer From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars
I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone who does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We all have our moments) Count me in as a new lurker and cautious buyer for these very reasons (Perhaps for every one who speaks up, there are a dozen who remain silent.) For other newcomers like me who are baffled by the petty bickering, I highly recommend the archives. There is a tremendous amount of great information and history out there! Gracie __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Hi All, --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Just from my records of my collection, here are the most expensive $/gram: Calcalong Creek $367,650 (M Casper source) Mooresfort $48,475 (R Elliott source) Chassigny $27,015 (M Blood source) Lodran $25,500 (R Elliott source) Lafayette $17,361 (M Blood source Angra dos Reis $10,000 Glenrothes $10,000 Kobe $10,000 Govermador Valadares $9582 Wethersfield 1971 $8823 Pomozdino $8631 Forsbach $8333 Serra de Mage $7683 Darmstadt $7038 Peramiho $6733 Moore County $6463 LA 002 $6015 Wessely $5813 Sylacauga $5572 Krahenberg $4000 I didn't include the DAG/DHO/NWA etc because those prices have changed drastically over the years. Overall my average $/g: Lunar $1554; Martian $1325. Don __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Mike Farmer sold a 0.0232g fragment of Bells on ebay last night for $190.50, or $8211.20 per gram. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Don Edwards iceda...@swbell.net wrote: From: Don Edwards iceda...@swbell.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 2:35 PM Hi All, --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Just from my records of my collection, here are the most expensive $/gram: Calcalong Creek $367,650 (M Casper source) Mooresfort $48,475 (R Elliott source) Chassigny $27,015 (M Blood source) Lodran $25,500 (R Elliott source) Lafayette $17,361 (M Blood source Angra dos Reis $10,000 Glenrothes $10,000 Kobe $10,000 Govermador Valadares $9582 Wethersfield 1971 $8823 Pomozdino $8631 Forsbach $8333 Serra de Mage $7683 Darmstadt $7038 Peramiho $6733 Moore County $6463 LA 002 $6015 Wessely $5813 Sylacauga $5572 Krahenberg $4000 I didn't include the DAG/DHO/NWA etc because those prices have changed drastically over the years. Overall my average $/g: Lunar $1554; Martian $1325. Don __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Calcalong and Governador Valadares are good candidates. I would suggest Chassigny. Not so much because it is a Martian but because it is a Fall, almost 2 centuries old, a small meteorite, namesake of a whole class of meteorites, and so far the only named meteorite in this tiny class. Angra do Reis is another candidate, for similar reasons. And then you have many meteorites who are entirely in Museums or Institutions, and not available, no matter the ammount of money. Cabin Creek in Vienna, Goose Lake in The Smithsonian, are but 2 examples. I am sure there are many more examples. Anybody cares to think up of some more of those un-obtainable meteorites? Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/19/2009 2:52:33 PM Mountain Daylight Time, daist...@hotmail.com writes: Last I saw, one of the priciest meteorites was the Martian Governador Valadares, of which only a few grams has ever made it out of institutions for private collectors. Milligrams cost thousands, and Bill Gates couldn't afford the main mass, should it ever become available. Best! Tracy Latimer From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I am not charging enough I guess :) Matt Morgan --Original Message-- From: Don Edwards Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Sent: Aug 19, 2009 3:35 PM Hi All, --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Just from my records of my collection, here are the most expensive $/gram: Calcalong Creek $367,650 (M Casper source) Mooresfort $48,475 (R Elliott source) Chassigny $27,015 (M Blood source) Lodran $25,500 (R Elliott source) Lafayette $17,361 (M Blood source Angra dos Reis $10,000 Glenrothes $10,000 Kobe $10,000 Govermador Valadares $9582 Wethersfield 1971 $8823 Pomozdino $8631 Forsbach $8333 Serra de Mage $7683 Darmstadt $7038 Peramiho $6733 Moore County $6463 LA 002 $6015 Wessely $5813 Sylacauga $5572 Krahenberg $4000 I didn't include the DAG/DHO/NWA etc because those prices have changed drastically over the years. Overall my average $/g: Lunar $1554; Martian $1325. Don __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Governador Valadares is one, Chassigny and Lodran of the classics are two others. When a few mg of these were offered at various times past, the calculated price/g was $50K and 30K respectively. Ted On 8/19/09 1:52 PM, tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com wrote: Last I saw, one of the priciest meteorites was the Martian Governador Valadares, of which only a few grams has ever made it out of institutions for private collectors. Milligrams cost thousands, and Bill Gates couldn't afford the main mass, should it ever become available. Best! Tracy Latimer From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackTo School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToS chool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Great question Greg, and excellent answers by list members in response! I was amazed at the prices quoted for some of the specimens - astronomical! For those who cannot afford such meteorites or their prices, I offer something a little more down-to-earth on ebay this week, where Bassikounou, Chergach, NWA pallasite, NWA oriented chondrite and Campos are still very affordable ... some still as low as 99¢ All are quality pieces that can be seen here for the auction ending Saturday: http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg= gary On Aug 19, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
I have the main mass and Bill Gates, where ever you are, don't listen to Tracy---you can easily afford it. Seriously, the comparative table previously provided is flawed as all the sales were not for one gram specimens. I've sold a 1/10 carat of GV for the equivalent of $165,000---but the most for a one gram specimen or more was only $12,000. BTW, I traded GV for the 13 kg Willamette specimen I obtained from the American Museum of Natural History. At the time, I thought it was one of my better exchanges ouch. ;-) On Aug 19, 2009, at 4:52 PM, tracy latimer wrote: Last I saw, one of the priciest meteorites was the Martian Governador Valadares, of which only a few grams has ever made it out of institutions for private collectors. Milligrams cost thousands, and Bill Gates couldn't afford the main mass, should it ever become available. Best! Tracy Latimer From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
How about Bob Haag's Venus Stone? As far as I know, none has ever been offered for sale. Best, John Gwilliam At 02:53 PM 8/19/2009, impact...@aol.com wrote: Calcalong and Governador Valadares are good candidates. I would suggest Chassigny. Not so much because it is a Martian but because it is a Fall, almost 2 centuries old, a small meteorite, namesake of a whole class of meteorites, and so far the only named meteorite in this tiny class. Angra do Reis is another candidate, for similar reasons. And then you have many meteorites who are entirely in Museums or Institutions, and not available, no matter the ammount of money. Cabin Creek in Vienna, Goose Lake in The Smithsonian, are but 2 examples. I am sure there are many more examples. Anybody cares to think up of some more of those un-obtainable meteorites? Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/19/2009 2:52:33 PM Mountain Daylight Time, daist...@hotmail.com writes: Last I saw, one of the priciest meteorites was the Martian Governador Valadares, of which only a few grams has ever made it out of institutions for private collectors. Milligrams cost thousands, and Bill Gates couldn't afford the main mass, should it ever become available. Best! Tracy Latimer From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Don't forget NWA 011 when only 58 milligrams was in private hands. It sold for an equivalent whopping $250,000.00/gram 0r 4500.00 for a 2 milligram speck. Overall, lunaites are and will always be king unless a piece of Mercury shows up with ground truth. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Correction: the 2 milligram speck sold for $500.00 not $4,500.00. --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:20 PM Don't forget NWA 011 when only 58 milligrams was in private hands. It sold for an equivalent whopping $250,000.00/gram 0r 4500.00 for a 2 milligram speck. Overall, lunaites are and will always be king unless a piece of Mercury shows up with ground truth. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results
Greetings: What John just mentioned about sticking to a limit prior to an auction is some of the very best advice you will ever receive as it regards the auction environment. Do not compete with others---stick to the number you've determined that works for you. In the same spirit, here is another bit of advice: do not be daunted by high estimates. So often I've heard friends mention I can't believe so-and-so went for so little. Take the trouble of putting in a low bid, you might just have snagged an unbelievable bargain. Hope everyone is enjoying their summer.All best / Darryl On Aug 19, 2009, at 11:27 AM, John Gwilliam wrote: This is very typical of auctions for just about anything, it is not unique to meteorites. I've been to antique auctions where high priced items got passed over while low end things got fought over. Same is true for horses and cattle (which I have personal knowledge of). Next time you bid at an auction, especially a live one, pay attention to what goes on inside your head. Most people have a limit of how much they will bid per increment and also what price they will drop out. However, it's easy to get sucked into bidding $10 or $20 or $50 more than you your original plan. It's easy to twenty dollar yourself to death at auctions. In my opinion, it's easier to justify bidding on twenty $50 items rather than one $1,000 item even though they have the same total value. Auction bidding can get addictive. Best, John Gwilliam Depth of Field Management | 1501 Broadway Suite 1304 | New York, New York 10036 | 212.302.9200 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question
I suppose that should make me feel good that I only paid $700 a gram for a 5.70 gram slice of the NWA 2976 pairing! Mike Fowler Chicago Correction: the 2 milligram speck sold for $500.00 not $4,500.00. --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Adam Hupe raremeteorites at yahoo.com wrote: From: Adam Hupe raremeteorites at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question To: Adam meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:20 PM Don't forget NWA 011 when only 58 milligrams was in private hands. It sold for an equivalent whopping $250,000.00/gram 0r 4500.00 for a 2 milligram speck. Overall, lunaites are and will always be king unless a piece of Mercury shows up with ground truth. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Hi Don, Thanks for the list. Very interesting. However, I need to check my records, but I honestly don't remember paying more than $200,000 for the piece of Mooresfort I purchased from Rob Elloitt a while back. (;- ) Here's the write-up on that one. http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2005/May/Accretion_Desk.htm Best, Martin On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Don Edwardsiceda...@swbell.net wrote: Hi All, --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Just from my records of my collection, here are the most expensive $/gram: Calcalong Creek $367,650 (M Casper source) Mooresfort $48,475 (R Elliott source) Chassigny $27,015 (M Blood source) Lodran $25,500 (R Elliott source) Lafayette $17,361 (M Blood source Angra dos Reis $10,000 Glenrothes $10,000 Kobe $10,000 Govermador Valadares $9582 Wethersfield 1971 $8823 Pomozdino $8631 Forsbach $8333 Serra de Mage $7683 Darmstadt $7038 Peramiho $6733 Moore County $6463 LA 002 $6015 Wessely $5813 Sylacauga $5572 Krahenberg $4000 I didn't include the DAG/DHO/NWA etc because those prices have changed drastically over the years. Overall my average $/g: Lunar $1554; Martian $1325. Don __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question / LA 002
I have a nice slice of LA 002 available at FAR less than the Price listed below. (Perhaps the last existing slice in the Market?) - I also have one of LA 001! Anyone interested please contact me off list for photo And price. RSVP Thanks, Michael On 8/19/09 2:35 PM, DON EDWARDS iceda...@swbell.net wrote: Hi All, --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Just from my records of my collection, here are the most expensive $/gram: Calcalong Creek $367,650 (M Casper source) Mooresfort $48,475 (R Elliott source) Chassigny $27,015 (M Blood source) Lodran $25,500 (R Elliott source) Lafayette $17,361 (M Blood source Angra dos Reis $10,000 Glenrothes $10,000 Kobe $10,000 Govermador Valadares $9582 Wethersfield 1971 $8823 Pomozdino $8631 Forsbach $8333 Serra de Mage $7683 Darmstadt $7038 Peramiho $6733 Moore County $6463 LA 002 $6015 Wessely $5813 Sylacauga $5572 Krahenberg $4000 I didn't include the DAG/DHO/NWA etc because those prices have changed drastically over the years. Overall my average $/g: Lunar $1554; Martian $1325. Don __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question / LA 002
Hello, Not really meant to be serious ad, but this one is a steal then! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200358178952 Best Wishes Michael On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Michael Blood wrote: I have a nice slice of LA 002 available at FAR less than the Price listed below. (Perhaps the last existing slice in the Market?) - I also have one of LA 001! Anyone interested please contact me off list for photo And price. RSVP Thanks, Michael On 8/19/09 2:35 PM, DON EDWARDS iceda...@swbell.net wrote: Hi All, --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Just from my records of my collection, here are the most expensive $/gram: Calcalong Creek $367,650 (M Casper source) Mooresfort $48,475 (R Elliott source) Chassigny $27,015 (M Blood source) Lodran $25,500 (R Elliott source) Lafayette $17,361 (M Blood source Angra dos Reis $10,000 Glenrothes $10,000 Kobe $10,000 Govermador Valadares $9582 Wethersfield 1971 $8823 Pomozdino $8631 Forsbach $8333 Serra de Mage $7683 Darmstadt $7038 Peramiho $6733 Moore County $6463 LA 002 $6015 Wessely $5813 Sylacauga $5572 Krahenberg $4000 I didn't include the DAG/DHO/NWA etc because those prices have changed drastically over the years. Overall my average $/g: Lunar $1554; Martian $1325. Don __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Program Repeat Tonight
Just in case someone hasn't seen the documentary Meteorite Men yet, I noticed that it's being shown again on the Science Channel at 9pm Pacific Time. Just giving a heads up GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars
Hi Mike, I too am fairly new to the meteorite scene. I've been collecting for about 3 years. I second all that you wrote and say a hearty Amen to it. I'm not in the same financial position that you apparently are or I would also buy hundreds of thousands worth of meteorites. Must be nice. Anyway, I hope that you stick to your guns and buy from the good guys. They deserve it. Welcome to the community. Greg Lindh Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:51:05 -0400 From: mike.han...@gmail.com To: damoc...@yahoo.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars Amen brother. I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone who does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We all have our moments) I can not agree more with this statement. As a new comer to this I was horrified and embarrassed by the content of a lot of the messages that came across it. Unfortunately, this list was my first impression of the meteorite community and while I have met some very amazing and brilliant people through this list, the conduct and arrogance from the bad apples has left a bad taste in my mouth regarding this community as a whole. The simple fact that the largest thread on this list since I've been on here was titled Who is the best meteorite hunter in the world, speaks volumes. A problem I have witnessed in many industries over many years is that really smart people sometimes get a little full of themselves (because they are so smart). The first job I had out of college was for the Credit Card company Visa. There were 100s of brilliant software engineers that worked in my office. Sometimes they were too smart for anyone else, so smart they were often blind to things that were right in front of their face (like the internet becoming the power house of e-commerce (job was in 94). I remember my boss saying to these guys in a meeting once, when they were acting like arrogant fools: we aren't curing cancer here guys. get a grip. I will be spending 10s of thousands of dollars on meteorites in the next year. 100s of thousands of dollars on meteorites over the next 5 years (yes I'm totally hooked on these things). I will absolutely never buy anything from anyone who has acted out or been a prick on this list. Before I make a purchase I search the meteorite list archives for the seller, and if they are a jerk I look else where. Being nice is good for business. Sincerely, Mike Hankey http://www.mikesastrophotos.com On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: I hope that this email doesn't offend anyone. I mention two particular people who I won't name, but for the most part I am speaking in general. I've been on this list for several months now. I joined for all the reasons people usually join a mailing list; To make contacts with others that have similar interests to learn from these other people, and hopefully to eventually contribute something of substance to the group. For the first week or so after I joined the list, I started learning the players, and learning a bit more about meteorites. After about a week, someone posted a message about some material they had to offer. Another person asked what it was and whoo classified it. The first person answered the questions. Simple, clear and exactly as one would expect. Both were reasonable and courteous to the other. As a new collector who knew only a few people in the field, this interaction was exactly what I wanted to see. Since the meteorite market is so thin and a lot of it is based on faith, faith that what is being offered is exactly what is being represented. It is important to me that the people I interact with, and purchase from, act professionally at all times. I have to have faith in this person. I have to trust them. This goes for the full time dealer as well as the vest pocket dealer who sells to improve his or her personal collection... I have purchased from both of these people, one of them has provided me with a large percentage of my collection purchases since then. I won't hesitate buying from either one... Having a good reputation is important to me. Being professional is too. What shocked me, as a new member was how many other people jumped in, making wild accusations, going off on tangents, much of which was not even remotely related to the original post, the question, or the reply. It was an eye opening event for me. A number of people who sell lost any chance to get my business. Since then there have been multiple flare ups, which has further reduced the pool of sellers I will do business with. Those I have lost faith in; Those who I can't trust. I wonder how many people lurk
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Program Repeat Tonight
6pm PDT too -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 8/19/09, geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com wrote: From: geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Program Repeat Tonight To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 4:26 PM Just in case someone hasn't seen the documentary Meteorite Men yet, I noticed that it's being shown again on the Science Channel at 9pm Pacific Time. Just giving a heads up GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out
One of the things my telescope business, Astronomics, allows me to do is own the astronomy oriented forum at www.cloudynights.com. This is the largest, and we believe the friendliest, astronomical forum site on the internet and the official world-wide forums of the 2009 International Year of Astronomy. We have over 33,000 registered users (some of whom are list members here). When I checked a few minutes ago, we had 368 registered users online in the middle of the day and a substantial number of anonymous users. Granted, Cloudy Nights has a lot of volunteer moderators who monitor the various fora full time and keep things civil, which is not something that can be done here because of the small size of the meteorite community, but there are a few things that might be worth considering. The basic Cloudy Nights Terms of Service are as follow: Simply put, the following behavior is expected from users: * Play Nice * Share * Be Polite * Be Honest * Respect other members the administrators and moderators who are working to keep this board a useful resource. Above all, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you want to see the full Cloudy Nights Terms of Service, heres a link: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/233117/page /0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1. If a Cloudy Nights user violates the TOS, the moderators can give the user a warning strike and delete objectionable posts or portions of the post with the concurrence of the other moderators. Next violation, another warning and a second strike. Third strike, and its like baseball, youre out (at least for a while to give you time to cool off). The moderators vote to give the user a three-day timeout (where the user cant post to the fora or reply to fora comments for three days). After a three-day timeout, continued violations of the TOS result in another timeout of three days or longer, while violations after multiple timeouts leading to bans up to and including one for life. The moderators and administrators invariably have extended discussions about the penalties out of view of the general users before deciding on any of these steps. While it is unlikely that this meteorite forum has enough members to allow it to become a fully moderated forum like Cloudy Nights, Art might find it worthwhile to consider applying the CN three strikes rule himself when it comes to the flame wars and other uncivil emails that sometimes seem to far outnumber the useful emails. When large numbers of list members complain about the flame wars and the other members failure to play nice, and some leave the forum for good because all they find is post after post kvetching and beating a dead horse, it might be time for the owner to apply a little gentle pressure on the offending members in an effort to retain the members who are being offended, rather than let them drift away. Id rather lose a few bad apples than have them put the entire orchard at risk. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Better View Desired www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Seen the, how do you say, the procurement costs (?) I guess quite any Antarctic meteorite would be the most expensive one. Martin List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackT oSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out
Hello Fred, I can honestly say that Cloudy Nights is my number one favorite site on the web. It is a model for others to follow. The members, moderators and administrators members are a great bunch of folks and if you are an amateur astronomer, you really need to be a Cloudy Nights member. In fact, it is open in another window right now! -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Fred Bieler f...@astronomics.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out One of the things my telescope business, Astronomics, allows me to do is own the astronomy oriented forum at www.cloudynights.com. This is the largest, and we believe the friendliest, astronomical forum site on the internet and the official world-wide forums of the 2009 International Year of Astronomy. We have over 33,000 registered users (some of whom are list members here). When I checked a few minutes ago, we had 368 registered users online in the middle of the day and a substantial number of anonymous users. Granted, Cloudy Nights has a lot of volunteer moderators who monitor the various fora full time and keep things civil, which is not something that can be done here because of the small size of the meteorite community, but there are a few things that might be worth considering. The basic Cloudy Nights Terms of Service are as follow: Simply put, the following behavior is expected from users: * Play Nice * Share * Be Polite * Be Honest * Respect other members the administrators and moderators who are working to keep this board a useful resource. Above all, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you want to see the full Cloudy Nights Terms of Service, here's a link: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/233117/page /0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1. If a Cloudy Nights user violates the TOS, the moderators can give the user a warning strike and delete objectionable posts or portions of the post with the concurrence of the other moderators. Next violation, another warning and a second strike. Third strike, and it's like baseball, you're out (at least for a while to give you time to cool off). The moderators vote to give the user a three-day timeout (where the user can't post to the fora or reply to fora comments for three days). After a three-day timeout, continued violations of the TOS result in another timeout of three days or longer, while violations after multiple timeouts leading to bans up to and including one for life. The moderators and administrators invariably have extended discussions about the penalties out of view of the general users before deciding on any of these steps. While it is unlikely that this meteorite forum has enough members to allow it to become a fully moderated forum like Cloudy Nights, Art might find it worthwhile to consider applying the CN three strikes rule himself when it comes to the flame wars and other uncivil emails that sometimes seem to far outnumber the useful emails. When large numbers of list members complain about the flame wars and the other members' failure to play nice, and some leave the forum for good because all they find is post after post kvetching and beating a dead horse, it might be time for the owner to apply a little gentle pressure on the offending members in an effort to retain the members who are being offended, rather than let them drift away. I'd rather lose a few bad apples than have them put the entire orchard at risk. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Better View Desired www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Hi Martin, That logic would likely put Lost City of at the top of the most expensive procurement cost for a meteorite location. Best, Martin On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Martin Altmannaltm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Seen the, how do you say, the procurement costs (?) I guess quite any Antarctic meteorite would be the most expensive one. Martin __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mason Dixon Meteor - New Video Recovered
- M Gaines recovered this video. - reflection of meteor on hood of truck is recorded. - poor quality and very difficult angle to work with. - you have to watch this 5-10 times to see what is going on - its from location in between M Gaines witness location and Rob Matson's drop spot - we can't publish lat/long or LOS info but can share privately. its another video so its still very cool. great work M Gaines! http://www.mikesastrophotos.com http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/new-mason-dixon-meteor-video/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 5789 - any news on this provisional Martian?
Hi List, It's been about 2 months since NWA 5789 was mentioned and I was wondering if there was any new insights or observations about it that someone might share? At one time there was talk that this meteorite might be a new Martian type which doesn't fit neatly in the current SNC classification. Has there been any update on this, and will the Nom Com approve it as a new type (and what name would they use for the type?), or will they simply file this one under Shergottite with anomalous in the notations? Best regards, MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5789 - any news on this provisional Martian?
Hello Mike, Here is a link to the most comprehensive, and regularly updated web site concerning Martian meteorites: http://www.imca.cc:80/mars/martian-meteorites.htm MetBul Provisional site: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/index.php?sea=nwa+5789sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=nocode=49469 There is still much scientific work being performed on NWA 5789, so updates may take some time. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 5789 - any news on this provisional Martian? Hi List, It's been about 2 months since NWA 5789 was mentioned and I was wondering if there was any new insights or observations about it that someone might share? At one time there was talk that this meteorite might be a new Martian type which doesn't fit neatly in the current SNC classification. Has there been any update on this, and will the Nom Com approve it as a new type (and what name would they use for the type?), or will they simply file this one under Shergottite with anomalous in the notations? Best regards, MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question redux
I guess I'm lucky; somehow I managed to acquire samples of 5 of the rarest on the list, and not for outrageous prices! I vote we rename the thread 'Unobtanium'. :D Best! Tracy Latimer _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - EBAY ITEMS ENDING, FREE TATAHOUINE WITH ANY PURCHASE
Hi to all, sorry for two ads in two days. Since this is only my second time posting more then 2 in a week, I hope you will let it slide - I wont do it much. I am less then $300 away from reaching powerseller status! There are some really nice items ending in under 3 hours. These are priced to sell. Since I have a lot of watchers on many items I will offer a free Tatahouine with any purchase made in the next 24 hours. Buy 2 things, get 2 free Tatahouine etc... the more you buy, the more you get free. Visit my listing here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 I also have a few Camel Donga thin sections that will be done soon, if you want one they are $80 each and if they go like last time, they will not last long. Everyone has been very pleased with the thin sections I offer, so be assured you will too. All come uncovered to allow the buyer the option of testing. The is the last batch of these I will have for sale. Hope everyone has a good evening, Thanks for looking. Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - EBAY ITEMS ENDING, FREE TATAHOUINE WITH ANY PURCHASE
YIKES! Two in Two days. Watch it man... he is out there! Hey, that didn't seem so bad, after all... Good luck to you on your auctions! Best Wishes Michael On Aug 19, 2009, at 6:25 PM, Greg Catterton wrote: Hi to all, sorry for two ads in two days. Since this is only my second time posting more then 2 in a week, I hope you will let it slide - I wont do it much. I am less then $300 away from reaching powerseller status! There are some really nice items ending in under 3 hours. These are priced to sell. Since I have a lot of watchers on many items I will offer a free Tatahouine with any purchase made in the next 24 hours. Buy 2 things, get 2 free Tatahouine etc... the more you buy, the more you get free. Visit my listing here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 I also have a few Camel Donga thin sections that will be done soon, if you want one they are $80 each and if they go like last time, they will not last long. Everyone has been very pleased with the thin sections I offer, so be assured you will too. All come uncovered to allow the buyer the option of testing. The is the last batch of these I will have for sale. Hope everyone has a good evening, Thanks for looking. Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] question
6 years ago right after the park forest fall,I was working with a small college with a trade that netted me my .97 gram fragment of KAKANGARI K class meteorite.I traded a 370 gram whole individual of park forest to get that K class piece.It is only one of three K class type's out there.So to me that is the rarest class of meteorite out there.This has been a most interesting thread.It's nice to see when some lame brain is bashing me or someone else.People have to learn to grow up. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] question
Hi Steve, To add more opinionative fuel to the theoretical fire, the moment at which any particular specimen becomes a class complete with type specimen is the moment it is no longer so rare that it is alone in its petrology or chemistry. Therefore (and this is a job for SuperBernd), one might need to dip down into the annals of those mysterious meteorites who have no peers. Then choose the smallest TKW. But, of course, all that work and artificial value could be undone in just one split second. I'm glad I had not invested in CV3s on February 7th, 1969, or CM2s on September 27, 1969, or Shergottities on October 2, 1962. Best, Martin On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:34 PM, steve arnoldstevenarnold60...@yahoo.com wrote: 6 years ago right after the park forest fall,I was working with a small college with a trade that netted me my .97 gram fragment of KAKANGARI K class meteorite.I traded a 370 gram whole individual of park forest to get that K class piece.It is only one of three K class type's out there.So to me that is the rarest class of meteorite out there.This has been a most interesting thread.It's nice to see when some lame brain is bashing me or someone else.People have to learn to grow up. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Building Blocks of Life Found
Main stream media playing catch up. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE57H02I20090818 Count Deiro Las Vegas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Hi All, Just a thought, but maybe to add some realism here, we should only consider a price as a valid entry in the contest where 1) the sample that sold was equal to or more than one gram in mass, and 2) it actually sold for the noted price with payment in hard currency (as opposed to trade, etc.). Unfortunately the realism would take much of the fun out of this, but also much of the hype. I rarely spend more than a thousand a gram for a specimen in the gram or larger size. Best, Martin On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:29 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Greg, The highest documented price I find was on NWA 011. It sold at the Tucson gem show back in Feb. 2003 for $119,000.00 per gram. At that time it was thought to be from Mercury and was not paired yet. In May of 2004 a small piece was offered by meteoritelab .022 grams for a bargain price of just $60,000.00 per gram on ebay. Half off. Wow. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Greg, The highest documented price I find was on NWA 011. It sold at the Tucson gem show back in Feb. 2003 for $119,000.00 per gram. At that time it was thought to be from Mercury and was not paired yet. In May of 2004 a small piece was offered by meteoritelab .022 grams for a bargain price of just $60,000.00 per gram on ebay. Half off. Wow. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cease fires and Cataloging and Displaying collections was question
--- On Wed, 8/19/09, steve arnold wrote: People have to learn to grow up. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! I was unsure I'd ever see a day I'd be in agreement with you Steve. I/We promised to not bash if you would stop doing things worthy of bashing. If you completely refrain from talking about it and I/we will also. This has been a good cease fire arraignment so far so please don't push it. Seems to me that you would know you are pushing your luck with your other comments, knowing the things we have agreed to not talk about on list. I hope you are not doing it to inflame those members that think you have c**d, l**d to, or not p**d for meteorites you b*t or that you s**d and t**k money for and n***r shipped or those who you may have gn f**e meteorites to for example. If you are going to make comments on list knowing others have agreed to keep differences off list then are we to understand you are dropping the cease-fire? I hope not. Lets never mention them again nor give cause to mention them, Ok? Lets talk about positive things we can agree on like your great meteorite display in the hall. Did yo make it yourself? For others--how to you keep the dust off? Do you prefer clear doors? I like Steve's design and have been designing my own. The only other better display I've seen was the one made by Walter Branch which I think he sold on ebay meteorites and all. I'd like to hear how others-- including Steve of course, store and catalog their collection. I wish my catalog had been up to date when I had my accident because I am having to do a lot of paperwork after the fact proving what was turned into very very expensive road gravel else swept up by the road cleaner and taken to a landfill. I do know when I get settled I'll be photographing EVERY Collectible I own. That will ensure I'll never have another calamity! How do others maintain records for insurance purposes? Regards Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Delays in processing samples
This is a quick message to all those that have send me samples in the couple months-- most everyone is on the list. I've been on bed rest and haven't had the time to look at everything and write everyone back. I've several hundred emails to look back through so if you've not gotten an answer in the next two weeks feel free to prod my memory. BTW: I've a very limited quota for classification opportunities this fall especially if NASA's budget falls again. If you have something hot as in other than common chondrites, feel free to send me details and photos off list and we can discuss it. Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cease fires and Cataloging and Displayingcollections was question
Elton/All, Re: your cataloging inquiry below, I submitted an article to Larry on this very subject which I think is running in the August 2009 issue (haven't seen it yet, though). There's a good bit of detail in the article itself, but a quick suggestion here is to videotape yourself presenting your collection specimen by specimen. Most of us know interesting details such as provenance, acquisition price, etc, for each specimen in our collection, and this information can be quickly and easily captured via your spoken words. Additionally, it is no trouble capturing good enough detailed images of each specimen (from many angles if necessary) in this way without breaking out the camera and lighting, sorting through all of the images, writing up the details, etc. All of that should really be done as well, of course, but one quick, simple and inexpensive solution (compared, say, to setting up a posting site) to capture this information with the ability to store multiple copies in different locations (in the event of fire, theft, whatever) is through video. All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mr EMan Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:50 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; steve arnold Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cease fires and Cataloging and Displayingcollections was question --- On Wed, 8/19/09, steve arnold wrote: People have to learn to grow up. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! I was unsure I'd ever see a day I'd be in agreement with you Steve. I/We promised to not bash if you would stop doing things worthy of bashing. If you completely refrain from talking about it and I/we will also. This has been a good cease fire arraignment so far so please don't push it. Seems to me that you would know you are pushing your luck with your other comments, knowing the things we have agreed to not talk about on list. I hope you are not doing it to inflame those members that think you have c**d, l**d to, or not p**d for meteorites you b*t or that you s**d and t**k money for and n***r shipped or those who you may have gn f**e meteorites to for example. If you are going to make comments on list knowing others have agreed to keep differences off list then are we to understand you are dropping the cease-fire? I hope not. Lets never mention them again nor give cause to mention them, Ok? Lets talk about positive things we can agree on like your great meteorite display in the hall. Did yo make it yourself? For others--how to you keep the dust off? Do you prefer clear doors? I like Steve's design and have been designing my own. The only other better display I've seen was the one made by Walter Branch which I think he sold on ebay meteorites and all. I'd like to hear how others-- including Steve of course, store and catalog their collection. I wish my catalog had been up to date when I had my accident because I am having to do a lot of paperwork after the fact proving what was turned into very very expensive road gravel else swept up by the road cleaner and taken to a landfill. I do know when I get settled I'll be photographing EVERY Collectible I own. That will ensure I'll never have another calamity! How do others maintain records for insurance purposes? Regards Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
