Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!
Two words: Panspermia Theory. Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:26:53 -0700 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It! Hi Everyone, With all due respect to all. This list has ONE forum. Almost ALL forums online have many forum categories, and most have an off-topic category forum for people to communicate their opinions and discuss off-topic posts. It keeps the community whole and gives members who wish to discuss off-topic issues, a choice. In other words you still do have a choice. Read the post or hit your delete key. The Alien Life thread is in fact either indirectly or possibly directly related to meteorites, and therefore VERY worthy of this list. Anyone who'd like to argue that notion should reconsider their own understanding of what the study of meteorites truly means and their own list membership. By complaining about seemingly off-topic posts in regards to aliens people are in effect saying they don't want to learn about their universe. Sorry if that seems harsh, but I've seen a lot worse things on this list than the serious philosophical and scientifically educated discussions of the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. I for one would much rather discuss seriously the alien life subject in relationship to the studies being performed on meteorites, and the evidence being found within them that support the notion of life elsewhere, rather than be a part of a forum who speaks unintelligently about alien abduction, or close encounters and UFO sightings. Besides, the whole reason behind the study of meteorites in the first place is to learn MORE about our universe, and this CERTAINLY includes the search for extraterrestrial life and in fact could center on it. Those who would argue that scientific and logical discussion about the possibilities of life elsewhere in our universe based on the connection between that life and meteorites is somehow Not Worthy and Off-Topic is somehow not entirely fair or correct. It doesn't have to be a discussion about little green men, it has to do with the study of meteorites and the real possibility of extraterrestrial life, and the direct connections with meteorites if any that exist. To deny that is simply akin to an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ New! Faster Messenger access on the new MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677406 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!
Not quite what I was referring to... But Panspermia is a valid theory nonetheless. Regards, Eric Pete Pete wrote: Two words: Panspermia Theory. Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:26:53 -0700 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It! Hi Everyone, With all due respect to all. This list has ONE forum. Almost ALL forums online have many forum categories, and most have an off-topic category forum for people to communicate their opinions and discuss off-topic posts. It keeps the community whole and gives members who wish to discuss off-topic issues, a choice. In other words you still do have a choice. Read the post or hit your delete key. The Alien Life thread is in fact either indirectly or possibly directly related to meteorites, and therefore VERY worthy of this list. Anyone who'd like to argue that notion should reconsider their own understanding of what the study of meteorites truly means and their own list membership. By complaining about seemingly off-topic posts in regards to aliens people are in effect saying they don't want to learn about their universe. Sorry if that seems harsh, but I've seen a lot worse things on this list than the serious philosophical and scientifically educated discussions of the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. I for one would much rather discuss seriously the alien life subject in relationship to the studies being performed on meteorites, and the evidence being found within them that support the notion of life elsewhere, rather than be a part of a forum who speaks unintelligently about alien abduction, or close encounters and UFO sightings. Besides, the whole reason behind the study of meteorites in the first place is to learn MORE about our universe, and this CERTAINLY includes the search for extraterrestrial life and in fact could center on it. Those who would argue that scientific and logical discussion about the possibilities of life elsewhere in our universe based on the connection between that life and meteorites is somehow Not Worthy and Off-Topic is somehow not entirely fair or correct. It doesn't have to be a discussion about little green men, it has to do with the study of meteorites and the real possibility of extraterrestrial life, and the direct connections with meteorites if any that exist. To deny that is simply akin to an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ New! Faster Messenger access on the new MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677406 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] NWA4483 lunar meteorite for sale
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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list
Hi Pete, All, Yes I have noticed that. This year I spoke to several folks interested in meteorites who had joined on my recommendation and I am actually embarrassed now as the quality of discussion has deteriorated badly. I have taken part for years but recently 90% of posts are just wearing out my delete key! Graham Ensor, UK Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net wrote: Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last few weeks? I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures. I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list
the list only has about 1-2k members, the above top secret site has around 35k members. off topic discussions have nothing to do with people leaving the list! Dissing people and intimidation by egghead geeks who think they know everything is what is driving people away from the list! I am betting nearly everyone on the list has a college education! if you have something to say that is negative to a member say it off list! Meteorics is a small world! and it has a large learning curve too. If you all showed some sympathy and used the list to educate rather than castrate! it would be growing! enough said Steve --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list To: Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 10:00 PM Hello Pete and List, Pete wrote: Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last few weeks? I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures. I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off. More likely the Off Topic threads like Aliens and other junk, but then again, the crazies on the List don't help either! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last few weeks? I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures. I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list
Well said Steve! I agree with you 100% Kirk. - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com To: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list the list only has about 1-2k members, the above top secret site has around 35k members. off topic discussions have nothing to do with people leaving the list! Dissing people and intimidation by egghead geeks who think they know everything is what is driving people away from the list! I am betting nearly everyone on the list has a college education! if you have something to say that is negative to a member say it off list! Meteorics is a small world! and it has a large learning curve too. If you all showed some sympathy and used the list to educate rather than castrate! it would be growing! enough said Steve --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list To: Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 10:00 PM Hello Pete and List, Pete wrote: Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last few weeks? I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures. I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off. More likely the Off Topic threads like Aliens and other junk, but then again, the crazies on the List don't help either! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last few weeks? I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures. I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] AD - Ash Creek (West), TX meteorites for sale
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay auctions ending tomorrow
-Original Message- From: Eduardo i...@mineralesyfosiles.com.ar To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:10:56 -0300 Subject: Ad: Ebay auctions ending tomorrow Hi I have over 65 auctions ending tomorrow. Most of them started at $0.99 adn many still at that price. Take a look at http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZsmfmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 Just to mention a few: La Criolla, Covert, Dhofar 007, Tatahouine, Viedma, San Juan, Wiluna, Capot Rey, Tafassasset, Camel Donga, Brenham, Huckitta, Glorieta Mountain, Sikhote Alin, and many more hope to see you there Eduardo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Six-year old finds meteorwrong follup
Long story short, Rob Elliot gave the kid a real one. http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/news/Josh-receives-heavenly-gift-meteorite-collector/article-1304237-detail/article.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!
Pete: I used to entertain notions of Panspermia, before I lost my religion (concerning outer space intelligent life). I don't think there are enough particles of matter to support the Brownian Motion necessary to move the spores or sperm or dna or what have you. Maybe here in our Local Neighborhood, but probably not in intergalactic space. Only a small percentage of matter as we know it is out there. Unless you get Brownian Motion from dark matter, dark energy, antimatter, or whatever that stuff is out there. Eric Sterling: I agree with you 125% on the topicality of the question of the existence of outer space life. If you don't like the topic du jour, instead of yelping like a wounded beagle, why not just start a new thread that is so totally awesome that everyone starts discussing it instead. Phil Whitmer Two words: Panspermia Theory. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 07:55:59 -0500, you wrote: Well said Steve! I agree with you 100% Kirk. - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com the list! Dissing people and intimidation by egghead geeks who think they know everything is what is driving people away from the list! I am betting nearly everyone on the list has a college education! if you have something to say that is negative to a member say it off list! Meteorics is a small world! and it has a large learning curve too. If you all showed some sympathy and used the list to educate rather than castrate! it would be growing! enough said In defense of the list (and myself, who is your likely target) I seem to recall that the list members are almost universally polite and patient with newcomers asking what to us are old questions, and someone usually takes the time to patiently and clearly answer those questions. It is only when the newcomers, once their questions have been answered, continue to argue over and over for their own misconceptions as being right and the answerers as being wrong that the kid gloves come off. In other words, being ignorant isn't treated as a crime here-- being an idiot is. The egghead geeks part sounds like good old-fashioned American anti-intellectualism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism If I was wanting only to be a jerk, I'd post a link like this: http://tinyurl.com/n83fhp __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Space Station Visible To Naked Eye In Days Ahead
Space station will be visible to naked eye in days ahead By MEG MIRSHAK Tribune Staff Writer Michiana residents have a rare opportunity to see a spaceship in the sky during the upcoming week. The international space station, in orbit 250 miles above the Earth, will be visible to those looking upward in the area. It will look like a very, very bright star, similar to what Venus looks like in the morning, said Art Klinger, director of the Penn-Harris-Madison School Corp. Planetarium in Mishawaka. The round, bright light will be visible for only about two to five minutes each day until Sept. 10, Klinger said. Scientists believe the shining light should be at optimal viewing here Tuesday when it passes directly overhead with its brightest magnitude for five minutes, he said. It should be dazzling, Klinger said. Anybody can see it. You just have to step outside and look. The space shuttle Discovery is currently docked on the space station, he said. Indiana native and Notre Dame alumnus Kevin A. Ford is piloting the mission launched Aug. 28. Ford, 49, is from Montpelier, Ind., north of Muncie. He requested the shuttle crew's wake-up call from Houston be the Indiana University fight song Tuesday morning, in honor of his late brother, IU alumnus and former state Sen. David Ford. Good morning, Houston, Kevin Ford said from aboard Discovery after hearing the song. Thank you for the wake-up music. That song reminds me of my wonderful home state of Indiana ... also reminds me of my oldest brother, David, who was the first one to ever strap me in to the cockpit of an airplane. Sunlight reflecting off the space station makes the orbiter visible with the naked eye, but using binoculars allows one to more clearly discern the shape, Klinger said. With a telescope, one might even be able to see the shuttle attached, he said. Space station visibility depends on the Earth's rotation, and Michiana is positioned for the space station to move directly overhead this week, Klinger said. Other times it can be viewed low in the sky for a shorter period of time, he said. Staff writer Meg Mirshak: mmirs...@sbtinfo.com Viewing the space station P-H-M Planetarium Director Art Klinger said the space station can be viewed with the naked eye during clear weather this week. Look for a bright light rising in the southwest. -This morning from 5:56 to 6. -Friday from 6:22 to 6:24 a.m. -Saturday for less than a minute at 9:36 p.m. -Sunday from 10 to 10:02 p.m. -Monday from 8:50 to 8:55 p.m. and 10:25 to 10:27 p.m. -Sept. 8 from 9:15 to 9:20 p.m. -Sept. 9 from 9:40 to 9:44 p.m. -Sept. 10 from 8:29 to 8:35 p.m. and from 10:05 to 10:08 p.m. What are the best times? The light should shine brightest on Sept. 8 and around 8:30 p.m. Sept. 10. http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20090903/News01/909030351/1129/News Don't blink or you might miss it! Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Six-year old finds meteorwrong follup
A true class act and a great guy !!! Message: 4 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:27:53 -0500 From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net Subject: [meteorite-list] Six-year old finds meteorwrong follup To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 6irv95hgenk6aiomq36c74rkkh5i25a...@4ax.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Long story short, Rob Elliot gave the kid a real one. http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/news/Josh-receives-heavenly-gift-meteorite-collector/article-1304237-detail/article.html -- __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Station Visible To Naked Eye In Days Ahead
A great website to check your location's ISS sightings, updated reguraly... http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/ Dennis From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:57:08 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Station Visible To Naked Eye In Days Ahead Space station will be visible to naked eye in days ahead By MEG MIRSHAK Tribune Staff Writer Michiana residents have a rare opportunity to see a spaceship in the sky during the upcoming week. The international space station, in orbit 250 miles above the Earth, will be visible to those looking upward in the area. It will look like a very, very bright star, similar to what Venus looks like in the morning, said Art Klinger, director of the Penn-Harris-Madison School Corp. Planetarium in Mishawaka. The round, bright light will be visible for only about two to five minutes each day until Sept. 10, Klinger said. Scientists believe the shining light should be at optimal viewing here Tuesday when it passes directly overhead with its brightest magnitude for five minutes, he said. It should be dazzling, Klinger said. Anybody can see it. You just have to step outside and look. The space shuttle Discovery is currently docked on the space station, he said. Indiana native and Notre Dame alumnus Kevin A. Ford is piloting the mission launched Aug. 28. Ford, 49, is from Montpelier, Ind., north of Muncie. He requested the shuttle crew's wake-up call from Houston be the Indiana University fight song Tuesday morning, in honor of his late brother, IU alumnus and former state Sen. David Ford. Good morning, Houston, Kevin Ford said from aboard Discovery after hearing the song. Thank you for the wake-up music. That song reminds me of my wonderful home state of Indiana ... also reminds me of my oldest brother, David, who was the first one to ever strap me in to the cockpit of an airplane. Sunlight reflecting off the space station makes the orbiter visible with the naked eye, but using binoculars allows one to more clearly discern the shape, Klinger said. With a telescope, one might even be able to see the shuttle attached, he said. Space station visibility depends on the Earth's rotation, and Michiana is positioned for the space station to move directly overhead this week, Klinger said. Other times it can be viewed low in the sky for a shorter period of time, he said. Staff writer Meg Mirshak: mmirs...@sbtinfo.com Viewing the space station P-H-M Planetarium Director Art Klinger said the space station can be viewed with the naked eye during clear weather this week. Look for a bright light rising in the southwest. -This morning from 5:56 to 6. -Friday from 6:22 to 6:24 a.m. -Saturday for less than a minute at 9:36 p.m. -Sunday from 10 to 10:02 p.m. -Monday from 8:50 to 8:55 p.m. and 10:25 to 10:27 p.m. -Sept. 8 from 9:15 to 9:20 p.m. -Sept. 9 from 9:40 to 9:44 p.m. -Sept. 10 from 8:29 to 8:35 p.m. and from 10:05 to 10:08 p.m. What are the best times? The light should shine brightest on Sept. 8 and around 8:30 p.m. Sept. 10. http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20090903/News01/909030351/1129/News Don't blink or you might miss it! Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Station Visible To Naked Eye In Days Ahead
Here's the latest telescopic photo of the ISS: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/09/01/spectacular-new-iss-picture-from-the-ground/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!
Phil, List, You don't need Brownian motion of any kind. An object, set in motion, remains in uniform motion unless interfered with. Some guy named Newton said that. You need to read up some. I said that. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It! Pete: I used to entertain notions of Panspermia, before I lost my religion (concerning outer space intelligent life). I don't think there are enough particles of matter to support the Brownian Motion necessary to move the spores or sperm or dna or what have you. Maybe here in our Local Neighborhood, but probably not in intergalactic space. Only a small percentage of matter as we know it is out there. Unless you get Brownian Motion from dark matter, dark energy, antimatter, or whatever that stuff is out there. Eric Sterling: I agree with you 125% on the topicality of the question of the existence of outer space life. If you don't like the topic du jour, instead of yelping like a wounded beagle, why not just start a new thread that is so totally awesome that everyone starts discussing it instead. Phil Whitmer Two words: Panspermia Theory. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Station Visible To Naked Eye In Days Ahead
Another great site, not just for ISS visibility but for multiple satellites, including HST Iridium flare predictions is Heavens Above http://www.heavens-above.com -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space Station Visible To Naked Eye In Days Ahead To: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 10:17 AM A great website to check your location's ISS sightings, updated reguraly... http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/ Dennis From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:57:08 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Station Visible To Naked Eye In Days Ahead Space station will be visible to naked eye in days ahead By MEG MIRSHAK Tribune Staff Writer Michiana residents have a rare opportunity to see a spaceship in the sky during the upcoming week. The international space station, in orbit 250 miles above the Earth, will be visible to those looking upward in the area. It will look like a very, very bright star, similar to what Venus looks like in the morning, said Art Klinger, director of the Penn-Harris-Madison School Corp. Planetarium in Mishawaka. The round, bright light will be visible for only about two to five minutes each day until Sept. 10, Klinger said. Scientists believe the shining light should be at optimal viewing here Tuesday when it passes directly overhead with its brightest magnitude for five minutes, he said. It should be dazzling, Klinger said. Anybody can see it. You just have to step outside and look. The space shuttle Discovery is currently docked on the space station, he said. Indiana native and Notre Dame alumnus Kevin A. Ford is piloting the mission launched Aug. 28. Ford, 49, is from Montpelier, Ind., north of Muncie. He requested the shuttle crew's wake-up call from Houston be the Indiana University fight song Tuesday morning, in honor of his late brother, IU alumnus and former state Sen. David Ford. Good morning, Houston, Kevin Ford said from aboard Discovery after hearing the song. Thank you for the wake-up music. That song reminds me of my wonderful home state of Indiana ... also reminds me of my oldest brother, David, who was the first one to ever strap me in to the cockpit of an airplane. Sunlight reflecting off the space station makes the orbiter visible with the naked eye, but using binoculars allows one to more clearly discern the shape, Klinger said. With a telescope, one might even be able to see the shuttle attached, he said. Space station visibility depends on the Earth's rotation, and Michiana is positioned for the space station to move directly overhead this week, Klinger said. Other times it can be viewed low in the sky for a shorter period of time, he said. Staff writer Meg Mirshak: mmirs...@sbtinfo.com Viewing the space station P-H-M Planetarium Director Art Klinger said the space station can be viewed with the naked eye during clear weather this week. Look for a bright light rising in the southwest. -This morning from 5:56 to 6. -Friday from 6:22 to 6:24 a.m. -Saturday for less than a minute at 9:36 p.m. -Sunday from 10 to 10:02 p.m. -Monday from 8:50 to 8:55 p.m. and 10:25 to 10:27 p.m. -Sept. 8 from 9:15 to 9:20 p.m. -Sept. 9 from 9:40 to 9:44 p.m. -Sept. 10 from 8:29 to 8:35 p.m. and from 10:05 to 10:08 p.m. What are the best times? The light should shine brightest on Sept. 8 and around 8:30 p.m. Sept. 10. http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20090903/News01/909030351/1129/News Don't blink or you might miss it! Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alan Hale: Countdown to 500 Comets
Aloha, Since we had a thread recently on Alan Hale (as well as a diversion on his son of television sitcom fame), I thought I would forward an announcement sent by Hale regarding Comet 222P/LINEAR P/2009 MB9. Those interested in receiving more announcements like this can join and subscribe to astronomyoutre...@yahoogroups.com. Comet 222P/LINEAR P/2009 MB9 Yet another one of the intrinsically faint periodic comets that have been discovered during recent years. It was initially discovered by LINEAR in late 2004 -- and I even made an unsuccessful visual attempt for it then -- and this time around it was re-discovered as an Apollo-type asteroid and not recognized as the expected LINEAR comet until it began to exhibit cometary activity just before entering evening twilight in early August. It passed 0.17 AU from Earth on August 5 and went through inferior conjunction a week later. The comet began emerging into the morning sky shortly before the end of August and I started to make attempts for it, but in addition to the normal monsoon activity I've also had to contend with hazy skies (perhaps caused by smoke from the Station Fire that is burning near some of my old haunts just north of Los Angeles) and the frustrating fact that, during what clear mornings I did have, the comet always seemed to be located directly on top of background stars. I managed to see it on September 1 but it was passing over a pair of faint background stars and I couldn't tell too much about it; finally, on September 2 -- the last morning with any darkness before full moon -- I was able to view it in a clean star field as a faint diffuse object. On September 2.47, m1=12.9 (extinction corrected), 0.9' coma. Moonlight will wipe out the comet for the next week and a half, and by the time it is again accessible in a dark sky it will probably be too faint for visual observations. Since a half-century will elapse before the comet even passes with 0.5 AU of Earth again, these two observations are likely to be the only ones I ever obtain of it. Description at http://www.earthriseinstitute.org/coms46.html#461 Images and reports (including reports of outreach efforts) are welcome. Sincerely, Alan Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!
Sterling, Yes, I've heard of that guy! (Danger, Will Robinson! Lame attempt at humor approaching!), and I love Fig Newtons! I don't have time for no stinking reading, I work 2 jobs. You must know from my posts that I just write down the first thing that pops into my head. (Kind of like you do for movie line quotes). Besides, who needs to read, we have a thing nowadays called: Wikipedia! (I can even read it in Klingon or Esperanto!) Phil Whitmer Phil, List, You don't need Brownian motion of any kind. An object, set in motion, remains in uniform motion unless interfered with. Some guy named Newton said that. You need to read up some. I said that. Sterling K. Webb __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!
The key words here are unless interefered with. That is like saying all things being equal. They never are! Let's say an object is approaching our little sub spiral armlet, from the main spiral arm of the Milky Way. Or, if you want to keep it within the Local Neighborhood, it's coming from the outer reaches of the Oort Cloud. Gosh, I can't think of one single thing that would interfere with it's motion! It's a complete and total vacuum all the way, no solar wind, no gravitational effects from Jupiter, etc. NOT! Of course something is going to interfere with it. Maybe under an ideal set of circumstances that statement is true. But practically speaking, I believe something could quite possibly cause intereference. Phil Whitmer Phil, List, You don't need Brownian motion of any kind. An object, set in motion, remains in uniform motion unless interfered with. Some guy named Newton said that. You need to read up some. I said that. Sterling K. Webb __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!
Hi Phil and List, My intention was to make a connection between the topic Extraterrestrial Life and meteorites, not necessarily to discuss Panspermia...without six degrees ;) Cheers, Pete From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:27:17 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It! Pete: I used to entertain notions of Panspermia, before I lost my religion (concerning outer space intelligent life). I don't think there are enough particles of matter to support the Brownian Motion necessary to move the spores or sperm or dna or what have you. Maybe here in our Local Neighborhood, but probably not in intergalactic space. Only a small percentage of matter as we know it is out there. Unless you get Brownian Motion from dark matter, dark energy, antimatter, or whatever that stuff is out there. Eric Sterling: I agree with you 125% on the topicality of the question of the existence of outer space life. If you don't like the topic du jour, instead of yelping like a wounded beagle, why not just start a new thread that is so totally awesome that everyone starts discussing it instead. Phil Whitmer Two words: Panspermia Theory. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ New! Get to Messenger faster: Sign-in here now! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677407 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alan Hale: Countdown to 500 Comets
Hi Gary, Ok, I attempted a really stupid and unfunny joke about Alan Hale (Hale-Bopp) and the skipper's dad, (the other Alan Hale), you don't have to rub it in! I already took a brutal beating on and off list, can we just let it go? Kidding, just kidding, Thanks for the info. Phil Whitmer Aloha, Since we had a thread recently on Alan Hale (as well as a diversion on his son of television sitcom fame), I thought I would forward an announcement sent by Hale regarding Comet 222P/LINEAR P/2009 MB9. Those interested in receiving more announcements like this can join and subscribe to AstronomyOutreach at yahoogroups.com. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-ebay, esquel, chinga
Hi: I have 4 ebay auctions ending today. They include a 55g Saratov, and a 35g Tenham. You can view my listings here: http://tinyurl.com/mppq9g/ Also, I have two customers that are looking to sell a couple items. Esquel 168g, beautiful slice for 25/g. Pics at http://www.milehighmeteorites.com. 1.4kg Gorgeous Chinga end piece for 1500. Pics on request. Thanks for your time. Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites
Good afternoon everyone, Some members have expressed yesterday their displeasure in the recent threads about alien life and movie/TV trivia. Well, here're your chance to discuss meteorites. Several weeks ago I had asked about silicated Campos. There was only one reply (Thanks again, Joe K.). It could have been because the question was too easy to deserve an answer or maybe no one knew. Perhaps my questioning sounded like so much gibberish and so the post was automatically ignored and deleted. I've reprinted my post below. Let me rephrase my question. What are the differences/similarities between mesosiderites and silicated irons? There's not much info in the web that I can find. Carl I wrote: What are those silicated Campos? Are they irons that have not yet completed it's differentiation, similar to pallasites? Or are they more like mesosiderites with the silicated material from an asteroid that have impacted another asteroid to the iron core? Or are they something else? Are the two materials unrelated to each other as in mesosiderites? Doesn't matter at this point whether or not they are Campos (I remember reading somewhere they were found several hundred miles away), it's just a name anyway, but to my untrained eye they look more like mesos. Also, is the Toluca (b)(?) formed the same way? _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites
Hi Carl, I recall you asking this question and I'd like to hear an answer also - in fact, I think I was one of the few people who replied, although my reply was the same as this one. Best regards, MikeG On 9/3/09, Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com wrote: Good afternoon everyone, Some members have expressed yesterday their displeasure in the recent threads about alien life and movie/TV trivia. Well, here're your chance to discuss meteorites. Several weeks ago I had asked about silicated Campos. There was only one reply (Thanks again, Joe K.). It could have been because the question was too easy to deserve an answer or maybe no one knew. Perhaps my questioning sounded like so much gibberish and so the post was automatically ignored and deleted. I've reprinted my post below. Let me rephrase my question. What are the differences/similarities between mesosiderites and silicated irons? There's not much info in the web that I can find. Carl I wrote: What are those silicated Campos? Are they irons that have not yet completed it's differentiation, similar to pallasites? Or are they more like mesosiderites with the silicated material from an asteroid that have impacted another asteroid to the iron core? Or are they something else? Are the two materials unrelated to each other as in mesosiderites? Doesn't matter at this point whether or not they are Campos (I remember reading somewhere they were found several hundred miles away), it's just a name anyway, but to my untrained eye they look more like mesos. Also, is the Toluca (b)(?) formed the same way? _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites
Not sure why you think they are related (never read they were related), but David Weir's page is the best at summarizing all available parent body data: http://www.meteoritestudies.com. Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:26:58 To: Carl 'scarloselgua...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites Hi Carl, I recall you asking this question and I'd like to hear an answer also - in fact, I think I was one of the few people who replied, although my reply was the same as this one. Best regards, MikeG On 9/3/09, Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com wrote: Good afternoon everyone, Some members have expressed yesterday their displeasure in the recent threads about alien life and movie/TV trivia. Well, here're your chance to discuss meteorites. Several weeks ago I had asked about silicated Campos. There was only one reply (Thanks again, Joe K.). It could have been because the question was too easy to deserve an answer or maybe no one knew. Perhaps my questioning sounded like so much gibberish and so the post was automatically ignored and deleted. I've reprinted my post below. Let me rephrase my question. What are the differences/similarities between mesosiderites and silicated irons? There's not much info in the web that I can find. Carl I wrote: What are those silicated Campos? Are they irons that have not yet completed it's differentiation, similar to pallasites? Or are they more like mesosiderites with the silicated material from an asteroid that have impacted another asteroid to the iron core? Or are they something else? Are the two materials unrelated to each other as in mesosiderites? Doesn't matter at this point whether or not they are Campos (I remember reading somewhere they were found several hundred miles away), it's just a name anyway, but to my untrained eye they look more like mesos. Also, is the Toluca (b)(?) formed the same way? _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites
There are three principal goups of silicated iron meteorites: the IAB-IIICD, IIE and IVA groups. Recent work seems to indicate that the IAB and IIICD groups are related. Iron meteorites that are thought to have formed by fractional crystallization processes have certain slopes on element-element diagrams (e.g., Ir-Ni) that match those expected by fractional crystallization, presumably located in cores. The IVA irons exhibit such trends and so are presumably from the core of a differentiated asteroid. A few IVA irons contain small grains of silica. The IAB-IIICD irons do not exhibit trends on element-element diagrams consistent with fractional crystallization. Some researchers (e.g., John Wasson) believe that they are not from cores but are rather from impact pools on chondritic asteroids. Their silicates are basically chondritic in bulk composition and even contain the so-called planetary gases as are found in chondrites but not differentiated meteorites. The IIE irons have alkali-rich silicates. These silicates are not chondritic in composition but do have planetary gases. The metal portion of these iron meteorites also do not conform to the slopes expected for fractional crystallization. They also may have formed as impact pools on chondritic asteroids. The alkali-rich silicates, I believe, formed because feldspar has a low impedance to shock compression and hence melts first during shock events. The IIE silicates are similar in composition to impact-melt pockets in ordinary chondrites. Mesosiderites are differentiated meteorites. Their metal may have been derived from a core. Their silicates are basically eucrite and diogenite material. I modeled mesosiderites as having formed via the collision of a core (with some overlying mantle) to the basaltic surface of another asteroid. Alan Rubin __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] freebies
Steve, Here's a helpful hint that will save you time and aggravation. Instead of wading through 40 emails to find the first seven, just take the first seven that showed up in your INBOX. Bob's your uncle, John Gwilliam At 06:45 PM 9/2/2009, steve arnold wrote: Hi all.All 7 freebies are all gone.I had to wade thru 40 emails,but the first 7 got them.Just remember to send your address when they are announced.Also lets lose this stupid alien life thing.One of the most stupid threads I have ever seen on this list.Lets just do meteorites and thier related topics. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list
I'm curious. How can you tell if even one person has left the list in the last few weeks, let alone many? John Gwilliam At 07:55 PM 9/2/2009, Pete Shugar wrote: Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last few weeks? I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures. I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites
Holy cow! Mr. Rubin wrote: There are three principal goups of silicated iron meteorites: the IAB-IIICD, IIE and IVA groups. Recent work seems to indicate that the IAB and IIICD groups are related. Iron meteorites that are thought to have formed by ... _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holocene start impacts on the History Channel, and AD
Hi - from Leroy Ellenberger - Last nite, History Channel premiered subject program about impacts on Earth from meteors, asteroids, comets and space debris: http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detailepisodeId=481956 The program will be re-broadcast Sunday, Sept. 6 at 7 p.m. EDT, Tuesday, Sept. 15 at 8 p.m. EDT and Wed. Sept. 16 at midnight EDT. Check your local schedule. The program featured Steve Chesley, the NASA astronomer who recently successfully predicted, for the first time, the point of impact in North Africa of a meteor less than a day after it was discovered. A search team dispatched to the predicted Ground Zero recovered ca. 11 pounds of meteor fragments. Brown Univ. impact expert Peter Schultz was featured in segments on his investigation of the 2007 impact of a small asteroid in Peru and the simulation of an impact using NASA's vertical gun to fire a pea-sized sphere into a thick Plexiglass(?) plate. Very impressive slow motion video from various angles. A surprising subject was the work of Ohio archaeologist Ken Tankersley (Kent State Univ.) at Sheriden Cave in Ohio where he and his team have been excavating remains of Pleistocene mega-fauna and Clovis artifacts from the horizon at 12,900 B.P. The FACT of the Younger-Dryas impact at this time was practically implicit in the program. Tankersley's work was mentioned by Ed Grondine in the August 22nd edition of CCNet, BTW. See: http://www.ourstrangeworld.net/index.php/main/article/extraterrestrial_event_affected_human_history/ for more on Tankersley's excavation at Sheriden Cave. Signed copies of Man and Impact in the Americas are available to meteorite list participants for 20$ plus $5 postage ($25) of plus $15 overseas ($35). Contact me off list to place your order. The bitch is sure to become a classic and highly collectable after it's finished killing me. E.P. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites
OK, I think I see the subtle difference. I have had to re-read Dr. Rubin's post several times to get the picture (Thanks to MikeG, too). Simplified, an asteroid slams into another planetary body right to the iron core and forms mesosiderites. That part I knew, but when smaller iron asteroids slams onto larger rocky asteroids the surface layer forms the silicated irons. I would have thought that would also form mesosiderites, too. Hmmm. Very interesting. Thank you, Dr. Rubin. Carl _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites
Sorry,, but I guess I was not clear. The only group of silicate-bearing irons widely agreed to have come from an asteroid core is the IVA group. This group has little silicate, mainly small grains of silica, which some think may have been vapor deposited in the core. There are no collisions involved in forming the IVA irons except the one or ones that shattered their parent differentiated asteroid and liberated them. The other silicated irons, i.e., the IAB, IIICD and IIE groups, may be from chondritic, not-differentiated asteroids, that never experienced global melting. These irons may have formed after an impact into the chondritic surface of these bodies involving local melting and separation of the metallic and silicate liquids because they were immiscible. The metal liquid sank to the crater floor, incorporated some rapidly melted silicate debris and cooled. This is a controversial model and not universally accepted. Mesosiderites are differentiated rocks consisting of roughly half metal and half silicate. The silicate is basically basalt and orthopyroxenite, i.e., eucrite and diogenite material. The metal is similar to that of the IIIAB iron meteorites (a differentiated iron group) and so is most likely from the core of a differentiated (i.e., globally melted) asteroid. My model from some years ago was that the iron core (plus overlying mantle) of the projectile impacted the basaltic/orthopyroxenitic surface of another (target) asteroid and formed the mesosiderites. The large gabrroic clasts in many of the mesosiderites seem to have formed by two or more episodes of impact melting, and grain settling. Their origin appears rather different from that of the silicated irons. Alan - Original Message - From: Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites OK, I think I see the subtle difference. I have had to re-read Dr. Rubin's post several times to get the picture (Thanks to MikeG, too). Simplified, an asteroid slams into another planetary body right to the iron core and forms mesosiderites. That part I knew, but when smaller iron asteroids slams onto larger rocky asteroids the surface layer forms the silicated irons. I would have thought that would also form mesosiderites, too. Hmmm. Very interesting. Thank you, Dr. Rubin. Carl _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Universe TV Show
Many thanks again Darren,
Was able to watch it in the UK (after the 3/4hr download). Interesting account
of the arrival of Almahata Sitta ('Station Six') and it's recovery. Perhaps too
much emphasis again on extinction events though.
Great explanation about the differences in Mesossiderites and silicated irons
from Dr Rubin just...good to be back to meteorites again.
GE UK
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[meteorite-list] Thousands of New Images Show Mars in High Resolution (MRO)
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-136 Thousands of New Images Show Mars in High Resolution Jet Propulsion Laboratory September 02, 2009 PASADENA, Calif. -- Thousands of newly released images from more than 1,500 telescopic observations by NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter show a wide range of gullies, dunes, craters, geological layering and other features on the Red Planet. The High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera on the orbiter recorded these images from the month of April through early August of this year. The camera team at the University of Arizona, Tucson, releases several featured images each week and periodically releases much larger sets of new images, such as the batch posted today. The new images are available at http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/releases/sept_09.php . Each full image from HiRISE covers a strip of Martian ground 6 kilometers (3.7 miles) wide, about two to four times that long, showing details as small as 1 meter, or yard, across. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has been studying Mars with an advanced set of instruments since 2006. It has returned more data about the planet than all other past and current missions to Mars combined. For more information about the mission, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is managed by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. JPL is a division of the California Institute of Technology, also in Pasadena. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. The High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment is operated by the University of Arizona, Tucson, and the instrument was built by Ball Aerospace Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo. Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov Lori Stiles 520-626-4402 University of Arizona, Tucson lsti...@u.arizona.edu 2009-136 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list
How can you tell if even one person has left the list in the last few weeks, let alone many? because all these people keep writing to the list with R~E~M~O~V~E . don't want to really write it cause I might get remo... i mean.. taken off the list On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:17 PM, John Gwilliamj...@cox.net wrote: I'm curious. How can you tell if even one person has left the list in the last few weeks, let alone many? John Gwilliam At 07:55 PM 9/2/2009, Pete Shugar wrote: Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last few weeks? I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures. I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites
No apology is needed, Dr. Rubin. You are crystal clear. It's just that I'm as dumb as an ox. It takes a bit of doing on my part for all that information to sink in. You've also explained the two inclusions in my little slice of Muonionalusta! I had wondered about them as well. So after the IAB, IIE or IIICD iron sank to the crater floor with some melted silicate debris it must have experienced another collision from another asteroid to later find it's way to Earth. I would ask what of 'Patagonia'? See: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/Patagoniairon.htm Are these silicated irons as well? Carl _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites
Alan: Well done! Carl: thanks for persistently asking a simple question with a complex answer. I've often wondered about this myself. I never understood how some Campos (or Odessas) could be silicated and others not. I thought it had to do with Earth impact, (duh!) Thanks for saving me hours of reading, and I still wouldn't have drawn the proper conclusions. Phil Whitmer Sorry,, but I guess I was not clear. The only group of silicate-bearing irons widely agreed to have come from an asteroid core is the IVA group. This group has little silicate, mainly small grains of silica, which some think may have been vapor deposited in the core. There are no collisions involved in forming the IVA irons except the one or ones that shattered their parent differentiated asteroid and liberated them. The other silicated irons, i.e., the IAB, IIICD and IIE groups, may be from chondritic, not-differentiated asteroids, that never experienced global melting. These irons may have formed after an impact into the chondritic surface of these bodies involving local melting and separation of the metallic and silicate liquids because they were immiscible. The metal liquid sank to the crater floor, incorporated some rapidly melted silicate debris and cooled. This is a controversial model and not universally accepted. Mesosiderites are differentiated rocks consisting of roughly half metal and half silicate. The silicate is basically basalt and orthopyroxenite, i.e., eucrite and diogenite material. The metal is similar to that of the IIIAB iron meteorites (a differentiated iron group) and so is most likely from the core of a differentiated (i.e., globally melted) asteroid. My model from some years ago was that the iron core (plus overlying mantle) of the projectile impacted the basaltic/orthopyroxenitic surface of another (target) asteroid and formed the mesosiderites. The large gabrroic clasts in many of the mesosiderites seem to have formed by two or more episodes of impact melting, and grain settling. Their origin appears rather different from that of the silicated irons. Alan __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites
Very interesting--thank you for that explanation--that explains all my silicated ironsnow I have a question regarding the bandwith of the Widmanstatten pattern on various irons--what exactly determines if it's a fine, medium or course octahedriteis it the length of time it took to cool in space? I have a fairly large collection of irons and I'd like to have a clearer understanding of what determines the pattern.thanksArlene Schlazer - Original Message - From: Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 6:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites Alan: Well done! Carl: thanks for persistently asking a simple question with a complex answer. I've often wondered about this myself. I never understood how some Campos (or Odessas) could be silicated and others not. I thought it had to do with Earth impact, (duh!) Thanks for saving me hours of reading, and I still wouldn't have drawn the proper conclusions. Phil Whitmer Sorry,, but I guess I was not clear. The only group of silicate-bearing irons widely agreed to have come from an asteroid core is the IVA group. This group has little silicate, mainly small grains of silica, which some think may have been vapor deposited in the core. There are no collisions involved in forming the IVA irons except the one or ones that shattered their parent differentiated asteroid and liberated them. The other silicated irons, i.e., the IAB, IIICD and IIE groups, may be from chondritic, not-differentiated asteroids, that never experienced global melting. These irons may have formed after an impact into the chondritic surface of these bodies involving local melting and separation of the metallic and silicate liquids because they were immiscible. The metal liquid sank to the crater floor, incorporated some rapidly melted silicate debris and cooled. This is a controversial model and not universally accepted. Mesosiderites are differentiated rocks consisting of roughly half metal and half silicate. The silicate is basically basalt and orthopyroxenite, i.e., eucrite and diogenite material. The metal is similar to that of the IIIAB iron meteorites (a differentiated iron group) and so is most likely from the core of a differentiated (i.e., globally melted) asteroid. My model from some years ago was that the iron core (plus overlying mantle) of the projectile impacted the basaltic/orthopyroxenitic surface of another (target) asteroid and formed the mesosiderites. The large gabrroic clasts in many of the mesosiderites seem to have formed by two or more episodes of impact melting, and grain settling. Their origin appears rather different from that of the silicated irons. Alan __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] looking for a reference site for meteorite mineral identification
Hi All, I was wondering where on the www some of you might direct a person to find a good reference site for identifying meteorite minerals. Something that a layman could digest that includes crystal information and commonly occurring colors of the different minerals, etc. I am trying to find out what a colorless almost quartz looking material is. Looks like the color of dishwater. It is the majority constituent of the matrix. It's not heavy like quartz. I found one very good site nau.edu. I'd like to find a couple more if they are out there and accessible. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mike in CO __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Let's talk about meteorites
Arlene, Someone just explained this not too long ago. If I recall: cooling is a factor, but mainly it's the amount of nickel in the meteorite that determines the pattern. The slower it cooled, the larger the interlaced crystals of taenite and kamacite, both iron nickel alloys. The width of these bands is the basis for the structural classification system of irons. The hexahedrites have the lowest nickel content and show a fine pattern of lines called Neumann bands. The octahedrites, ranging from coarsest to finest have more and more nickel until you get to the plessitics which in place of a Widmanstatten pattern, have lines of kamacite needles in a matrix of high nickel alloy called tetrataenite. Irons with the most nickel are the ataxites, which have no pattern at all. As to why the meteorites have varying amounts of nickel is beyond me. Hope this helps, Phil Whitmer Very interesting--thank you for that explanation--that explains all my silicated ironsnow I have a question regarding the bandwith of the Widmanstatten pattern on various irons--what exactly determines if it's a fine, medium or course octahedriteis it the length of time it took to cool in space? I have a fairly large collection of irons and I'd like to have a clearer understanding of what determines the pattern.thanksArlene Schlazer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 4, 2009
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[meteorite-list] weird rock - meteor wrong
anyone know what this rock is: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/meteor-wrong-buy-what.jpg __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
