Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
gee boing bomb is not going to make a loud boom heard 3 blocks away. a friend of mine has a 3 inch cannon but the last time he shot it it disrupted cell phone service, almost caused several auto accidents and resulted in having his house surrounded by the local police who asked Mr Boyde could you please come out of your house? his projestile was a wad of wet newspapers. Chris Petersons explaination while having some merrit is not supported by scientific fact. sonic booms travel at the speed of sound and the time it takes the boom to reach you depends on your distance from the event, and a lot of other factors, like cannon balls traveling at over the speed of sound under 4 inches make no sonic boom. just a kind of whizzing whooshing sound. and smaller objects like bullets only make a buzzing sound like a bee even at 4 times the speed of sound. a meteorite falling over Colorado on the plane of the ecliptic at 11:35 pm would have been a near verticle fall only taking about 4 to 5 seconds from the time it entered earths atmosphere till it impacted with the ground. or exploded in the air. the shock wave in front of it would have created a vacume in its tail which may have allowed a 3 inch stone or iron to be cradled in an envelope trailing the main mass which was destroyed. in the same way that unburned gunpowder is found on the victims of gunshots at bullet velocities of 3k fps or more. the speed of sound you must know is only about 750 fps and depends on air pressure, humidity, temp, and the size of the object. there was an f15 eagle crashed near my house several years ago. a sonic boom traveling 3 minutes at the speed of sound by Mr Petersons reasoning at close to 7 seconds a mile should be heard around 25 miles away. there has to my knowlege never been heard a boom more than 9 miles away because the curve of the earth doesnt allow it to reach the ground. are there any volunteers from the list that want to sit on an artillary range and listen for the sonic boom of an incomming 144mm faster than sound shell? i hope not because they dont make one! cheers Steve --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Gary Chase garych...@live.com wrote: From: Gary Chase garych...@live.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery? To: meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:10 PM Good Call. Why waste your time on something that is not a sure thing. Gary Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery? To: garych...@live.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: m...@mhmeteorites.com Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:52:14 + Didn't seem worth is to me. -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Gary Chase garych...@live.com Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:23:13 To: meteoritecentralmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery ? Robert Ward drove through the night from Arizona to investigate? I don't understand. Aren't there meteorite dealers and collectors closer to the sight to check it out? Anne? Matt? Gary From: bcmeteori...@gmail.com To: mpg4...@gmail.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:39:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery This link is for the article on the front page of the local Colorado Springs paper The Gazette this morning with picture of Robert Ward holding the ceiling tile with the mystery hole in it. http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html Bob Falls colorado Springs, CO -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]on Behalf Of Michael Groetz Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:46 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241 Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery By: Stacey Kaiser s.kai...@krdotv.com Follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/staceykaiser COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of space rock, or ice from a plane? Fire investigators cannot rule anything out as the cause of a hole in the roof of Red Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado Avenue in Colorado Springs. I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I looked up and there's a hole in my ceiling, said Red Rock Lounge owner Karol Sandvig. Sandvig noticed the hole when she first walked into her bar, then she saw a note from her bartender. Karol, I had to call the cops because something came through the roof and there was a
Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
Dear Steve and List, Here is a photo of Robert Ward with section of tile with a hole. http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/01/6jan2010-meteormeteorite-news.html Holey ceiling tiles! Springs bar still wonders what hit it Denver Post By The Gazette Meteorite hunter Robert Ward holds a ceiling tile from the Red Rock Lounge. (Mark Reis, The Gazette ) COLORADO SPRINGS — Mystery still ... Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery? To: meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Gary Chase garych...@live.com Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 7:00 PM gee boing bomb is not going to make a loud boom heard 3 blocks away. a friend of mine has a 3 inch cannon but the last time he shot it it disrupted cell phone service, almost caused several auto accidents and resulted in having his house surrounded by the local police who asked Mr Boyde could you please come out of your house? his projestile was a wad of wet newspapers. Chris Petersons explaination while having some merrit is not supported by scientific fact. sonic booms travel at the speed of sound and the time it takes the boom to reach you depends on your distance from the event, and a lot of other factors, like cannon balls traveling at over the speed of sound under 4 inches make no sonic boom. just a kind of whizzing whooshing sound. and smaller objects like bullets only make a buzzing sound like a bee even at 4 times the speed of sound. a meteorite falling over Colorado on the plane of the ecliptic at 11:35 pm would have been a near verticle fall only taking about 4 to 5 seconds from the time it entered earths atmosphere till it impacted with the ground. or exploded in the air. the shock wave in front of it would have created a vacume in its tail which may have allowed a 3 inch stone or iron to be cradled in an envelope trailing the main mass which was destroyed. in the same way that unburned gunpowder is found on the victims of gunshots at bullet velocities of 3k fps or more. the speed of sound you must know is only about 750 fps and depends on air pressure, humidity, temp, and the size of the object. there was an f15 eagle crashed near my house several years ago. a sonic boom traveling 3 minutes at the speed of sound by Mr Petersons reasoning at close to 7 seconds a mile should be heard around 25 miles away. there has to my knowlege never been heard a boom more than 9 miles away because the curve of the earth doesnt allow it to reach the ground. are there any volunteers from the list that want to sit on an artillary range and listen for the sonic boom of an incomming 144mm faster than sound shell? i hope not because they dont make one! cheers Steve --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Gary Chase garych...@live.com wrote: From: Gary Chase garych...@live.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery? To: meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:10 PM Good Call. Why waste your time on something that is not a sure thing. Gary Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery? To: garych...@live.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: m...@mhmeteorites.com Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:52:14 + Didn't seem worth is to me. -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Gary Chase garych...@live.com Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:23:13 To: meteoritecentralmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery ? Robert Ward drove through the night from Arizona to investigate? I don't understand. Aren't there meteorite dealers and collectors closer to the sight to check it out? Anne? Matt? Gary From: bcmeteori...@gmail.com To: mpg4...@gmail.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:39:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery This link is for the article on the front page of the local Colorado Springs paper The Gazette this morning with picture of Robert Ward holding the ceiling tile with the mystery hole in it. http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html Bob Falls colorado Springs, CO -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]on Behalf Of Michael Groetz Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:46 AM To: Meteorite List Subject:
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010
Chocolate donut? Carl http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_6_2010.html _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still aMystery?????
a meteorite falling over Colorado on the plane of the ecliptic at 11:35 pm would have been a near verticle fall only taking about 4 to 5 seconds from the time it entered earths atmosphere till it impacted with the ground. or exploded in the air. Such a meteorite would be luminous for a few seconds, but would slow to a subsonic speed while still very high- 10 or 20 miles or more. The remainder of the fall would take several minutes. That's why sonic booms associated with meteorite falls are reported a few minutes before the actual impact. Only a fraction of a percent of falls might involve an object still traveling faster than sound at impact. And such a fall would certainly produce a massive fireball- something that was not observed despite the presence of operating allsky cameras in the area. there has to my knowlege never been heard a boom more than 9 miles away because the curve of the earth doesnt allow it to reach the ground. The distance sonic booms can be heard depends on the energy of the shock wave, which mainly depends on the size of the supersonic object, and also on the ground path and altitude. Meteors and high altitude aircraft produce sonic booms at ground level when they are below about 30 miles. As those here who have investigated meteorite falls are well aware, reports of sonic booms are common for large events over a diameter of 20-30 miles- much more than your 9 mile estimate. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com To: meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Gary Chase garych...@live.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still aMystery? gee boing bomb is not going to make a loud boom heard 3 blocks away. a friend of mine has a 3 inch cannon but the last time he shot it it disrupted cell phone service, almost caused several auto accidents and resulted in having his house surrounded by the local police who asked Mr Boyde could you please come out of your house? his projestile was a wad of wet newspapers. Chris Petersons explaination while having some merrit is not supported by scientific fact. sonic booms travel at the speed of sound and the time it takes the boom to reach you depends on your distance from the event, and a lot of other factors, like cannon balls traveling at over the speed of sound under 4 inches make no sonic boom. just a kind of whizzing whooshing sound. and smaller objects like bullets only make a buzzing sound like a bee even at 4 times the speed of sound. a meteorite falling over Colorado on the plane of the ecliptic at 11:35 pm would have been a near verticle fall only taking about 4 to 5 seconds from the time it entered earths atmosphere till it impacted with the ground. or exploded in the air. the shock wave in front of it would have created a vacume in its tail which may have allowed a 3 inch stone or iron to be cradled in an envelope trailing the main mass which was destroyed. in the same way that unburned gunpowder is found on the victims of gunshots at bullet velocities of 3k fps or more. the speed of sound you must know is only about 750 fps and depends on air pressure, humidity, temp, and the size of the object. there was an f15 eagle crashed near my house several years ago. a sonic boom traveling 3 minutes at the speed of sound by Mr Petersons reasoning at close to 7 seconds a mile should be heard around 25 miles away. there has to my knowlege never been heard a boom more than 9 miles away because the curve of the earth doesnt allow it to reach the ground. are there any volunteers from the list that want to sit on an artillary range and listen for the sonic boom of an incomming 144mm faster than sound shell? i hope not because they dont make one! cheers Steve __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still aMystery?????
there has to my knowlege never been heard a boom more than 9 miles away because the curve of the earth doesnt allow it to reach the ground. I know this isn't right, because I witnessed a fireball where the sonic sound reached me exactly 163 seconds after extinguishment. The meteor phase itself lasted for about 5 or 6 seconds. I was also monitoring this meteor by means of radio and that was hooked up to a chart recorder. So I got the times quite accurately. Anyhow, I figure when the sonic was produced, it was about 30 to 33 miles away. GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Colorado spings event
It doesn't have to be a sonic boom, that's just one possibility with a meteorite fall. In this case, the sound was described as being like an explosion or boom, both by witnesses inside the building as well as several blocks away. Some sort of mechanical noise from impact is certainly possible, although the descriptions are a bit off for that. One witness saw a flash of light and heard a boom, in the direction of the bar and low to the ground. Again, not consistent with a meteorite impact. In general, most meteorite falls are silent, with no sonic boom and no significant impact sounds. It could be a meteorite, but the evidence argues better for other explanations. It isn't even certain that something hit the building- this is exactly the sort of damage you see from small explosives (put an M80 on a sheet of plywood, and it will look just like the roof of this building). Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: meteoritehun...@comcast.net To: geo...@aol.com Cc: c...@alumni.caltech.edu; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Colorado spings event Why does there have to be a sonic boom? In New Orleans, a stone of over 20 kg crashed through two floors of a house and ended up in the dirt under the house, major city, nobody saw or heard anything other than the neighbors who thought a car accident had happened. Kitchener, ONT, a guy golfing saw a 500 gram stone plop down in the grass a few feet from him, no sounds heard. Can't this be a small meteorite, which somehow escaped detection. Something hit that building, and the object has not been found. That means it was pocketed, because it did not evaporate into thin air. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Colorado spings event
But, Robert is holding the 2'x4' celotex ceiling panel. What type of roof did the projectile have to penetrate prior to that? I'm betting A snowball from the top of Pike's Peak, just a few miles away and up! Robert will probably cut the panel into coasters and try to get some of his gas money back!!$$ Dennis From: c...@alumni.caltech.edu To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Colorado spings event It doesn't have to be a sonic boom, that's just one possibility with a meteorite fall. In this case, the sound was described as being like an explosion or boom, both by witnesses inside the building as well as several blocks away. Some sort of mechanical noise from impact is certainly possible, although the descriptions are a bit off for that. One witness saw a flash of light and heard a boom, in the direction of the bar and low to the ground. Again, not consistent with a meteorite impact. In general, most meteorite falls are silent, with no sonic boom and no significant impact sounds. It could be a meteorite, but the evidence argues better for other explanations. It isn't even certain that something hit the building- this is exactly the sort of damage you see from small explosives (put an M80 on a sheet of plywood, and it will look just like the roof of this building). Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: meteoritehun...@comcast.net To: geo...@aol.com Cc: c...@alumni.caltech.edu; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Colorado spings event Why does there have to be a sonic boom? In New Orleans, a stone of over 20 kg crashed through two floors of a house and ended up in the dirt under the house, major city, nobody saw or heard anything other than the neighbors who thought a car accident had happened. Kitchener, ONT, a guy golfing saw a 500 gram stone plop down in the grass a few feet from him, no sounds heard. Can't this be a small meteorite, which somehow escaped detection. Something hit that building, and the object has not been found. That means it was pocketed, because it did not evaporate into thin air. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
Hello Steve, Thank you for the post on projectiles, propelling methods, velocities and their observable effects. Based on my experience with things that go boom whilst in the US ARMY; where people I didn't know tried to incapacitate me with fast moving, heavy and often explosive objects and where I inspected holes in various materials including, but not limited to, kevlar, steel, glass, rubber, building materials and human beings, I feel I can contest some of your assumptions. All objects, no matter what they are composed of, traveling above the speed of sound, will make an over pressure that can be detected by a person with normal hearing depending on distance, density and direction. The three D's we are taught in BSC (basic combat training). Remember the axiom, You never hear the one that hits you? All military rifle, pistol and machine gun rounds, of any caliber, exceed the speed of sound and create an audible snap. YouTube has dozens of fire fights where you can listen. Some civilian rifle and pistol rounds, such as a .22 Long, or Short, and special application ammunition, are sub-sonic. Many crew served, vehicle and aircraft delivered weapons such as artillery, anti-armor and area supression (SKEET and CANISTER) projectiles, are super-sonic in flight, or become so on contact with the target due to secondary charges. I've looked at the photos and there is enough physical evidence (the damaged roof and attendant materials) for anyone with basic EOD skills to determine what was the outer composition of the object that made the defect, the weight, size and speed of the culprit, and from what direction did it arrive. All the no eyes on witness statements are not reliable. They have a scene and that's where the investigation, if it hasn't already, should be conducted. The apparent fact that none of the impactor, except trace evidence on the damaged materials, has been found at the scene, makes the whole incident suspect. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com Sent: Jan 6, 2010 5:00 AM To: meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Gary Chase garych...@live.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery? gee boing bomb is not going to make a loud boom heard 3 blocks away. a friend of mine has a 3 inch cannon but the last time he shot it it disrupted cell phone service, almost caused several auto accidents and resulted in having his house surrounded by the local police who asked Mr Boyde could you please come out of your house? his projestile was a wad of wet newspapers. Chris Petersons explaination while having some merrit is not supported by scientific fact. sonic booms travel at the speed of sound and the time it takes the boom to reach you depends on your distance from the event, and a lot of other factors, like cannon balls traveling at over the speed of sound under 4 inches make no sonic boom. just a kind of whizzing whooshing sound. and smaller objects like bullets only make a buzzing sound like a bee even at 4 times the speed of sound. a meteorite falling over Colorado on the plane of the ecliptic at 11:35 pm would have been a near verticle fall only taking about 4 to 5 seconds from the time it entered earths atmosphere till it impacted with the ground. or exploded in the air. the shock wave in front of it would have created a vacume in its tail which may have allowed a 3 inch stone or iron to be cradled in an envelope trailing the main mass which was destroyed. in the same way that unburned gunpowder is found on the victims of gunshots at bullet velocities of 3k fps or more. the speed of sound you must know is only about 750 fps and depends on air pressure, humidity, temp, and the size of the object. there was an f15 eagle crashed near my house several years ago. a sonic boom traveling 3 minutes at the speed of sound by Mr Petersons reasoning at close to 7 seconds a mile should be heard around 25 miles away. there has to my knowlege never been heard a boom more than 9 miles away because the curve of the earth doesnt allow it to reach the ground. are there any volunteers from the list that want to sit on an artillary range and listen for the sonic boom of an incomming 144mm faster than sound shell? i hope not because they dont make one! cheers Steve --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Gary Chase garych...@live.com wrote: From: Gary Chase garych...@live.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery? To: meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:10 PM Good Call. Why waste your time on something that is not a sure thing. Gary Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery? To: garych...@live.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com;
[meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
List: I have a question regarding Lunar meteorites. In many of the pics on various websites I have noticed a reddish/brown color in the meteorites. I figured that most would be more grayish and white. Is the reddish color from terrestrial means? Does it oxidize after landing? Or is this reddish color not related to oxidation at all and is the actual color it would be on the moon? I would think that there would be no oxidation on the moon or in space, due to the lack of oxygen. Shisr161 is an example. http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Shisr161-2.884g.jpg I can't get over how 'terrestrial' lunars look. Who knows... maybe I've stepped on one without knowing it. Greg S. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
Dear Greg, and All, The reddish, brown and pinkish colors of these lunars (particullary from Oman) are from hematite staining, i.e., from terrestrial weathering. Pristine lunars look more like this: http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/NWA2200-1.388g.jpg http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Dho910-1.912g.JPG It seems that especially the lunars with a very long terrestrial residence time, such as Dhofar 025 which fell more than 400,000 years ago, display the effects of heavy hematite staining: http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Dho025-0.352g.JPG Hope this helps, Norbert Classen www.meteoris.de -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- List: I have a question regarding Lunar meteorites. In many of the pics on various websites I have noticed a reddish/brown color in the meteorites. I figured that most would be more grayish and white. Is the reddish color from terrestrial means? Does it oxidize after landing? Or is this reddish color not related to oxidation at all and is the actual color it would be on the moon? I would think that there would be no oxidation on the moon or in space, due to the lack of oxygen. Shisr161 is an example. http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Shisr161-2.884g.jpg I can't get over how 'terrestrial' lunars look. Who knows... maybe I've stepped on one without knowing it. Greg S. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crash BOOM Bang - Colorado spings event
It seems to me the definitions and people interpretations of sound is the issue regarding the BOOM. If I were to describe an impact type sound I might say BANG, or THUMP, if I were to try to describe a crashing sound like multiple objects colliding or perhaps some books or plates tumbling to the floor from a high shelf I would probably use the word CRASH in my description. And if I were to hear an explosion or hollow sounding impact (like that of an object impacting a roof) I might say it was a loud BOOM! or BAM It doesn't mean sonic boom or explosive boom or impact boom. It's people's interpretations of sound and nothing more. Eyewitnesses are usually not very accurate. They tell things from their own personal perspective and experience in ways that relate to them, which is fine, but for finding meteorites it's not reliable. It's totally subjective, and it take a good investigator to get good solid details. Regards, Eric P.S. I doubt an M80 would blow a hole in much of anything. How thick? 1/4. 1/2. 5/8. I would be surprised if an M80 could blow a hole in even a 1/4 piece of plywood. I'd be interested in seeing a video of a real M80 blowing a hole in a piece of plywood. This isn't a challenge to you personally Chris, anyone is welcome to produce a video showing just that. I'll even post it on my site for all to see for comparison to the hole in the roof. On 1/6/2010 8:47 AM, Chris Peterson wrote: It doesn't have to be a sonic boom, that's just one possibility with a meteorite fall. In this case, the sound was described as being like an explosion or boom, both by witnesses inside the building as well as several blocks away. Some sort of mechanical noise from impact is certainly possible, although the descriptions are a bit off for that. One witness saw a flash of light and heard a boom, in the direction of the bar and low to the ground. Again, not consistent with a meteorite impact. In general, most meteorite falls are silent, with no sonic boom and no significant impact sounds. It could be a meteorite, but the evidence argues better for other explanations. It isn't even certain that something hit the building- this is exactly the sort of damage you see from small explosives (put an M80 on a sheet of plywood, and it will look just like the roof of this building). Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: meteoritehun...@comcast.net To: geo...@aol.com Cc: c...@alumni.caltech.edu; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Colorado spings event Why does there have to be a sonic boom? In New Orleans, a stone of over 20 kg crashed through two floors of a house and ended up in the dirt under the house, major city, nobody saw or heard anything other than the neighbors who thought a car accident had happened. Kitchener, ONT, a guy golfing saw a 500 gram stone plop down in the grass a few feet from him, no sounds heard. Can't this be a small meteorite, which somehow escaped detection. Something hit that building, and the object has not been found. That means it was pocketed, because it did not evaporate into thin air. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010
Greetings, all, [...doubtless a chondritic anvil from prehistoric times]? What makes the author suspect that? Curious, Pete Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:26:08 -0800 From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_6_2010.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691816 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
Thanks Everyone: I really appreciate the detailed responses. That's what I suspected. Perhaps the soils in Oman contain more iron based sediment, and the strewn fields there are older. I always assumed that the iron within meteorites caused the oxidation, but now it's clear that once any rock (meteorite) falls to earth, it can be altered in the same ways (weathering, erosion, oxidation and surface staining) terrestrial rocks are subjected too. Thus, makes it even more difficult to find a lunar. Best, Greg S. From: riffr...@timewarp.de To: stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:12:41 +0100 Dear Greg, and All, The reddish, brown and pinkish colors of these lunars (particullary from Oman) are from hematite staining, i.e., from terrestrial weathering. Pristine lunars look more like this: http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/NWA2200-1.388g.jpg http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Dho910-1.912g.JPG It seems that especially the lunars with a very long terrestrial residence time, such as Dhofar 025 which fell more than 400,000 years ago, display the effects of heavy hematite staining: http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Dho025-0.352g.JPG Hope this helps, Norbert Classen www.meteoris.de -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- List: I have a question regarding Lunar meteorites. In many of the pics on various websites I have noticed a reddish/brown color in the meteorites. I figured that most would be more grayish and white. Is the reddish color from terrestrial means? Does it oxidize after landing? Or is this reddish color not related to oxidation at all and is the actual color it would be on the moon? I would think that there would be no oxidation on the moon or in space, due to the lack of oxygen. Shisr161 is an example. http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Shisr161-2.884g.jpg I can't get over how 'terrestrial' lunars look. Who knows... maybe I've stepped on one without knowing it. Greg S. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA's Wise Eye Spies First Glimpse of the Starry Sky
Jan. 6, 2010 J.D. Harrington Headquarters, Washington 202-358-5241 j.d.harring...@nasa.gov Whitney Clavin Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-4673 whitney.cla...@jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 10-005 NASA'S WISE EYE SPIES FIRST GLIMPSE OF THE STARRY SKY; INFRARED ALL-SKY SURVEYING TELESCOPE SENDS BACK FIRST IMAGES FROM SPACE WASHINGTON -- NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer, or WISE, has captured its first look at the starry sky that it will soon begin surveying in infrared light. Launched on Dec. 14, WISE will scan the entire sky for millions of hidden objects, including asteroids, failed stars and powerful galaxies. WISE data will serve as navigation charts for other missions such as NASA's Hubble and Spitzer Space Telescopes, pointing them to the most interesting targets WISE finds. A new WISE infrared image was taken shortly after the space telescope's cover was removed, exposing the instrument's detectors to starlight for the first time. The picture shows 3,000 stars in the Carina constellation. It can be viewed online at: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/WISE/multimedia/wise20100106.html The image covers a patch of sky about three times larger than the full moon. The patch was selected because it does not contain any unusually bright objects, which could damage instrument detectors if observed for too long. The picture was taken while the spacecraft was staring at a fixed patch of sky and is being used to calibrate the spacecraft's pointing system. When the WISE survey begins, the spacecraft will scan the sky continuously as it circles the globe, while an internal scan mirror counteracts its motion. This allows WISE to take freeze-frame snapshots every 11 seconds, resulting in millions of images of the entire sky. Right now, we are busy matching the rate of the scan mirror to the rate of the spacecraft, so we will capture sharp pictures as our telescope sweeps across the sky, said William Irace, the mission's project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. To sense the infrared glow of stars and galaxies, the WISE spacecraft cannot give off any detectable infrared light of its own. This is accomplished by chilling the telescope and detectors to ultra-cold temperatures. The coldest of WISE's detectors will operate at less than 8 Kelvin, or minus 445 Fahrenheit. The first sky survey will be complete in six months, followed by a second scan of one-half of the sky lasting three months. The WISE mission ends when the frozen hydrogen that keeps the instrument cold evaporates away, an event expected to occur in October 2010. Preliminary survey images are expected to be released six months later, in April 2011, with the final atlas and catalog coming after another 11 months in March 2012. Selected images will be released to the public beginning in February 2010. JPL manages WISE for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. The mission was competitively selected under NASA's Explorers Program, managed by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. The science instrument was built by the Space Dynamics Laboratory in Logan, Utah, and the spacecraft was built by Ball Aerospace Technologies Corp. in Boulder, Colo. Science operations and data processing take place at the Infrared Processing and Analysis Center at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. More information about the WISE mission is available online at: http://www.nasa.gov/wise -end- __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Haley is a Girl!
Hi all, a very special email today... Thank you for reading. ;) A Must See! - Halley's Comet Nucleus http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100104.html Interesting factoid: ...This debris shed from Halley's nucleus eventually disperses into an orbiting trail responsible for the Orionids meteor shower... Though most people on this list probably know this, you'll have to forgive me for not knowing because I usually don't follow meteor showers ;) It's particularly meaningful to us for a very special reason and it added to our excitement. Why were we excited? Recently we found out we're having a baby girl. Like most expecting parents we had picked out names for a girl and a boy. We chose astronomical names of course! ;) Jaime chose the name Haley if it happened to be a girl and I chose Orion if it were a boy. What we didn't know is that there was a connection between Halley's Comet and the Orion constellation. You're probably smiling to yourself right about now because you guys already know it is the famous meteor shower that radiates from that point in space in the form of the Orionids! Now That's Cool! Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
Hi Greg and All, Here's an interesting video from the Kaguya lunar spacecraft. The red soil on the moon and Norbert's explanation is probably related somewhat although produced separately. Around the 21:20 mark, check out the red soil on the moon. Nice footage of the moon and of the astronauts frolicking about. Jim K.brought this video to the attention of SkyrockCafe: http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/expedition-week/3669310949-direct-from-the-moon Also, at around the 41:00 mark, the astronauts are kicking around a very large rock! Love this video. Carl Greg wrote: I really appreciate the detailed responses. That's what I suspected. Perhaps the soils in Oman contain more iron based sediment, and the strewn fields there are older. I always assumed that the iron within meteorites caused the oxidation, but now it's clear that once any rock (meteorite) falls to earth,... _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crash BOOM Bang - Colorado spings event
I doubt an M80 would blow a hole in much of anything. How thick? 1/4. 1/2. 5/8. I would be surprised if an M80 could blow a hole in even a 1/4 piece of plywood. I'm afraid I'll have to dispute that, Eric. I had a few M80's back about 10-12 years ago and, being a woodworker, I grabbed a couple boards out of my shop to serve as blasting platforms. Can't remember the dimensions now, but I would guess something like a 1x4. I was astounded. It blew the whole end of the board apart. There were splinters of wood everywhere. I can say with confidence, it would easily blow through 1/4 plywood, probably blow through 1/2, and perhaps even 3/4. Couldn't find any You-tube videos with wood, but here's a nice one with a watermelon and there were others with pumpkins, computer moniters, etc. watermelon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1HNjq6KGiofeature=related pumpkin - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu0AFsUFDnkfeature=related monitor - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L27KO5USomQNR=1 Mind you, these were not made by scientists. g Linton - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crash BOOM Bang - Colorado spings event It seems to me the definitions and people interpretations of sound is the issue regarding the BOOM. If I were to describe an impact type sound I might say BANG, or THUMP, if I were to try to describe a crashing sound like multiple objects colliding or perhaps some books or plates tumbling to the floor from a high shelf I would probably use the word CRASH in my description. And if I were to hear an explosion or hollow sounding impact (like that of an object impacting a roof) I might say it was a loud BOOM! or BAM It doesn't mean sonic boom or explosive boom or impact boom. It's people's interpretations of sound and nothing more. Eyewitnesses are usually not very accurate. They tell things from their own personal perspective and experience in ways that relate to them, which is fine, but for finding meteorites it's not reliable. It's totally subjective, and it take a good investigator to get good solid details. Regards, Eric P.S. I doubt an M80 would blow a hole in much of anything. How thick? 1/4. 1/2. 5/8. I would be surprised if an M80 could blow a hole in even a 1/4 piece of plywood. I'd be interested in seeing a video of a real M80 blowing a hole in a piece of plywood. This isn't a challenge to you personally Chris, anyone is welcome to produce a video showing just that. I'll even post it on my site for all to see for comparison to the hole in the roof. On 1/6/2010 8:47 AM, Chris Peterson wrote: It doesn't have to be a sonic boom, that's just one possibility with a meteorite fall. In this case, the sound was described as being like an explosion or boom, both by witnesses inside the building as well as several blocks away. Some sort of mechanical noise from impact is certainly possible, although the descriptions are a bit off for that. One witness saw a flash of light and heard a boom, in the direction of the bar and low to the ground. Again, not consistent with a meteorite impact. In general, most meteorite falls are silent, with no sonic boom and no significant impact sounds. It could be a meteorite, but the evidence argues better for other explanations. It isn't even certain that something hit the building- this is exactly the sort of damage you see from small explosives (put an M80 on a sheet of plywood, and it will look just like the roof of this building). Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: meteoritehun...@comcast.net To: geo...@aol.com Cc: c...@alumni.caltech.edu; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Colorado spings event Why does there have to be a sonic boom? In New Orleans, a stone of over 20 kg crashed through two floors of a house and ended up in the dirt under the house, major city, nobody saw or heard anything other than the neighbors who thought a car accident had happened. Kitchener, ONT, a guy golfing saw a 500 gram stone plop down in the grass a few feet from him, no sounds heard. Can't this be a small meteorite, which somehow escaped detection. Something hit that building, and the object has not been found. That means it was pocketed, because it did not evaporate into thin air. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Haley is a Girl!
Interesting factoid: ...This debris shed from Halley's nucleus eventually disperses into an orbiting trail responsible for the Orionids meteor shower... Halleys comet is also responsible for the Eta Aquarid meteor shower. So...if you have twins GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson Information Page - Dealer Visitor Information Needed
Dear List, Meteorite-Times should be up in a day or so and in the mean time we would like to start to collecting information for our yearly Tucson Information Page. http://www.meteorite-times.com/tucson/index.htm Please enter you Tucson information on the following form. http://www.meteorite-times.com/tucson/form/ Thank you very much! Paul and Jim __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunar's
Greg, Interesting observation. Recently, I asked the same question to Randy Korotev. As I recall he said it was Earth oxidation. I then looked at all of the pictures on his web site and noticed that the only ones he shows with this red color are the Oman examples. Most of them are listed as Dhofar but Oman also includes your example in question; shisr161 . see pics at link; http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm So, All do respect to Randy, to add to your question; why do only Oman lunar's have the red color inside. Because in some of them the red is only very deep inside and not near the original crustal area. You would think if it was weathering on Earth, it would be near the surface area and not only deep inside as clearly is the case in some of the pics. ? Many Meteorites from other finds do have the red oxidation on the crust like Millbillillie but not exclusively on just in interior areas like the Oman clan. So , again why is that? Thanks Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: List: I have a question regarding Lunar meteorites. In many of the pics on various websites I have noticed a reddish/brown color in the meteorites. I figured that most would be more grayish and white. Is the reddish color from terrestrial means? Does it oxidize after landing? Or is this reddish color not related to oxidation at all and is the actual color it would be on the moon? I would think that there would be no oxidation on the moon or in space, due to the lack of oxygen. Shisr161 is an example. http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Shisr161-2.884g.jpg I can't get over how 'terrestrial' lunars look. Who knows... maybe I've stepped on one without knowing it. Greg S. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010
In the Southwest USA we call these old stone Indian used (tools) objects molcajetes or matates . . (sp) ? -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_6_2010.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cool Iron MeteorWRONG
Hi all, This was sent to me as an iron Meteorite. It has the coolest shape with a hole right through the center! http://www.mr-meteorite.net/meteoriteidvideos.htm -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunar's
in part as a result of the absorptive qualities and absorption rates of the different mineralogy. there is also a difference between oxidation and stainingor tinting, the term i prefer for auction catalog descriptions ;-) On Jan 6, 2010, at 2:30 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Greg, Interesting observation. Recently, I asked the same question to Randy Korotev. As I recall he said it was Earth oxidation. I then looked at all of the pictures on his web site and noticed that the only ones he shows with this red color are the Oman examples. Most of them are listed as Dhofar but Oman also includes your example in question; shisr161 . see pics at link; http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm So, All do respect to Randy, to add to your question; why do only Oman lunar's have the red color inside. Because in some of them the red is only very deep inside and not near the original crustal area. You would think if it was weathering on Earth, it would be near the surface area and not only deep inside as clearly is the case in some of the pics. ? Many Meteorites from other finds do have the red oxidation on the crust like Millbillillie but not exclusively on just in interior areas like the Oman clan. So , again why is that? Thanks Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: List: I have a question regarding Lunar meteorites. In many of the pics on various websites I have noticed a reddish/brown color in the meteorites. I figured that most would be more grayish and white. Is the reddish color from terrestrial means? Does it oxidize after landing? Or is this reddish color not related to oxidation at all and is the actual color it would be on the moon? I would think that there would be no oxidation on the moon or in space, due to the lack of oxygen. Shisr161 is an example. http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Shisr161-2.884g.jpg I can't get over how 'terrestrial' lunars look. Who knows... maybe I've stepped on one without knowing it. Greg S. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010
If it is rather small, say palm size, it looks a lot like a stone used with a bow drill. Dennis Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:36:09 -0500 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; mich...@rocksfromspace.org Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010 In the Southwest USA we call these old stone Indian used (tools) objects molcajetes or matates . . (sp) ? -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Michael Johnson wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_6_2010.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunar's
Hi Carl and all, Just a note, the Millbillillie reddish color comes from the red clay in that area of Australia and isn't oxidation to my knowledge. There are many pristine samples of Millbillillie with black fusion crust. Also Millbillillie is a somewhat fairly fresh fall that didn't happen very long ago. For your information and others. All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting cdtuc...@cox.net: Greg, Many Meteorites from other finds do have the red oxidation on the crust like Millbillillie but not exclusively on just in interior areas like the Oman clan. So , again why is that? Thanks Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cool Iron MeteorWRONG
Hi Ruben, Can you share more info about what causes the pin holes? I presume they exist only in the ends, one or the other or both? Mike in CO On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi all, This was sent to me as an iron Meteorite. It has the coolest shape with a hole right through the center! http://www.mr-meteorite.net/meteoriteidvideos.htm -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
Thanks for the great video Carl. Jerry -- From: Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 4:30 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars Hi Greg and All, Here's an interesting video from the Kaguya lunar spacecraft. The red soil on the moon and Norbert's explanation is probably related somewhat although produced separately. Around the 21:20 mark, check out the red soil on the moon. Nice footage of the moon and of the astronauts frolicking about. Jim K.brought this video to the attention of SkyrockCafe: http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/expedition-week/3669310949-direct-from-the-moon Also, at around the 41:00 mark, the astronauts are kicking around a very large rock! Love this video. Carl Greg wrote: I really appreciate the detailed responses. That's what I suspected. Perhaps the soils in Oman contain more iron based sediment, and the strewn fields there are older. I always assumed that the iron within meteorites caused the oxidation, but now it's clear that once any rock (meteorite) falls to earth,... _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cool Iron MeteorWRONG
WOW, you could have fooled me! -- From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:21 PM To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Cool Iron MeteorWRONG Hi all, This was sent to me as an iron Meteorite. It has the coolest shape with a hole right through the center! http://www.mr-meteorite.net/meteoriteidvideos.htm -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cool Iron MeteorWRONG
Hi all, I have received many emails regarding how I know this specimen is NOT a meteorite. I'm sure someone else can explain better than I can, but...here goes First of all it has very small pin holes in some areas - a tell tale sign it was made on earth - very common in man made slag. There is no air/gases in outer space to cause such holes which is why iron meteorites don't have pin holes. Secondly, and just as importantly - it tested negative for nickel. It was found in North Carolina and sent to me as a meteorite. Hi Ruben, Can you share more info about what causes the pin holes? I presume they exist only in the ends, one or the other or both? Mike in CO On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi all, This was sent to me as an iron Meteorite. It has the coolest shape with a hole right through the center! http://www.mr-meteorite.net/meteoriteidvideos.htm -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cool Iron MeteorWRONG
Ruben's email gave me an idea. ;) If anyone has photos of meteorwrongs please send them to me off-list via email. Please include weights, place found, finders name and any other pertinent information you have on the specimen. If it's been tested that would be good info too. Please put METEORWRONG in the subject line of your email. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA P.S. I have to say this piece Ruben got sent is one of the coolest looking meteorwrongs I've seen. On 1/6/2010 6:54 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi all, I have received many emails regarding how I know this specimen is NOT a meteorite. I'm sure someone else can explain better than I can, but...here goes First of all it has very small pin holes in some areas - a tell tale sign it was made on earth - very common in man made slag. There is no air/gases in outer space to cause such holes which is why iron meteorites don't have pin holes. Secondly, and just as importantly - it tested negative for nickel. It was found in North Carolina and sent to me as a meteorite. Hi Ruben, Can you share more info about what causes the pin holes? I presume they exist only in the ends, one or the other or both? Mike in CO On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi all, This was sent to me as an iron Meteorite. It has the coolest shape with a hole right through the center! http://www.mr-meteorite.net/meteoriteidvideos.htm -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010
Dear list members, This stone was observed by Henry de Lumley who is rather formal: it is about a Stone Age anvil (support on which we put the flint in the course of cutting). http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_de_Lumley The studies are in progress, the classification, the terrestrial age etc. As well as the search on the site of find of possible additional elements. This discovery will be the object of a publication. Best Wishes and Happy New Year, Philippe www.meteoritica.com Message du 06/01/10 21:48 De : Pete Pete A : mich...@rocksfromspace.org, meteoritelist meteoritelist Copie à : Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010 Greetings, all, [...doubtless a chondritic anvil from prehistoric times]? What makes the author suspect that? Curious, Pete Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:26:08 -0800 From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_6_2010.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691816 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
- Original Message - From: Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com To: Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars Hi Greg and All, Here's an interesting video from the Kaguya lunar spacecraft. The red soil on the moon and Norbert's explanation is probably related somewhat although produced separately. Around the 21:20 mark, check out the red soil on the moon. Nice footage of the moon and of the astronauts frolicking about. Jim K.brought this video to the attention of SkyrockCafe: http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/expedition-week/3669310949-direct-from-the-moon Also, at around the 41:00 mark, the astronauts are kicking around a very large rock! Love this video. Carl Greg wrote: I really appreciate the detailed responses. That's what I suspected. Perhaps the soils in Oman contain more iron based sediment, and the strewn fields there are older. I always assumed that the iron within meteorites caused the oxidation, but now it's clear that once any rock (meteorite) falls to earth,... _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Death Star - T Pyxidis
List Astronomers, This article quotes un-named Villanova University astronomers and Sion, Gordon and McClain at the American Astronomical Society, as well as Scagill at the UK's Society for Popular Astronomy. Fast company. Is this hype? Are there other time bombs (super novas) ticking out there? Should there be concern? http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2795981/Supernova-may-wipe-out-the-Earth.htmlype? Count Deiro __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
(Oops...sorry for the previous misfire, folks.) Carl, that's an excellent video. Absolutely phenomenal. I would recommend it to everyone. Thanks for posting it. Linton - Original Message - From: Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars Hi Greg and All, Here's an interesting video from the Kaguya lunar spacecraft. The red soil on the moon and Norbert's explanation is probably related somewhat although produced separately. Around the 21:20 mark, check out the red soil on the moon. Nice footage of the moon and of the astronauts frolicking about. Jim K.brought this video to the attention of SkyrockCafe: http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/expedition-week/3669310949-direct-from-the-moon Also, at around the 41:00 mark, the astronauts are kicking around a very large rock! Love this video. Carl Greg wrote: I really appreciate the detailed responses. That's what I suspected. Perhaps the soils in Oman contain more iron based sediment, and the strewn fields there are older. I always assumed that the iron within meteorites caused the oxidation, but now it's clear that once any rock (meteorite) falls to earth,... _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
Sorry List, Here is corrected link re previous Death Star post. Count Deiro http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2795981/Supernova-may-wipe-out-the-Earth.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
