Re: [meteorite-list] Another Monthly Favourite - NWA 1756
Wow. That top photo is absolutely gorgeous, Jeff. Bravo! Linton - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Monthly Favourite Slowly catching up... http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/october2009.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star
Hi, All. Despite the Nibiru Nuttery (and the clips of Muller in it), there is a continuing misunderstanding of the Nemesis hypothesis as regards the proposed orbit, its stability, and lifetime. Here's a quote from the abstract of Muller's last paper in Nature in 2002. (The entire paper is downloadable.) http://muller.lbl.gov/papers/Lunar_impacts_Nemesis.pdf ...the Nemesis theory, which postulated a solar companion star. A sudden change in the orbit of that star at 0.4 Ga transformed a circular orbit (which does not trigger comet showers) into an eccentric orbit (which does). The Nemesis theory is speculative but viable; contrary to prior assertions, the orbit is sufficiently stable to account for the data. In other words, Muller proposes an original circular orbit with a radius of 90,000-ish AU and in or very close to the galactic plane. Such an orbit is stable for a very long time. It doesn't kick comets out of Oortville or do much of anything. Then, about half-billion years ago, something (probably a passing star) greatly perturbed that circular orbit into one with an eccentricity of ~0.7 and a short lifetime. By short here, we mean a billion years, more or less. The problem is that people keep assuming (without reason) that the Nemesis proposal is for an eccentric orbit since the beginning of the solar system. It's hard for such an orbit to last that long. But the proposal is not for such an orbit since the beginning of the solar system, but only the last half-billion years. No Problemo (to quote a well-known governor and cyborg). The original papers on the Nemesis hypothesis appeared in NATURE in 1984. There were dynamic analyses by others (not Muller, but Davis and Hut). No URL, can't get to it free... Muller's (busy) webpage will get to this outline of the hypothesis and its history (and changes): http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/lbl-nem.htm If you go from that page to the free chapter of Muller's (out-of-print) book you will find him firing up his calculator (an HP 11-C) for the same calculation as in the posting on the Minor Planet Mailing List (in an argument with Luis Alvarez). Time (and a lot of fantastic astrometry) will tell. All that is needed is the ability to detect proper motion in the sub-arcsecond range. Good luck. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:28 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star Hi Richard and List, Thats a nice link you provided. Here is a video on you tube about Nemesis-The Death Star. Check it out its a good source on the death star hypothesis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa1jp4EiOcA Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star Richard Kowalski damoclid at yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 23:33:23 EST 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star Next message: [meteorite-list] Canadian lasers key to NASA asteroid landing project Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Alan, there has been several posts on the Minor Planet Mailing List (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mpml/) today about this. A 26 million year orbit essentially extends into interstellar space and any object in such an orbit would rapidly be perturbed from it's orbit around the Sun. I his post today, Bill Gray, author of some excellent software including the freeware Findorb, stated ...It presumably has an extremely high eccentricity, so the apohelion must be about 2.5 light-years out, roughly at the point where stars will pass by on a reasonably regular basis. The orbit is about as stable as a pencil balanced on its point in a hurricane. IOW, it is highly unlikely any such object exists and if it did, it wouldn't remain in orbit for very long, astronomically speaking... That doesn't mean it doesn't, just don't hold your breath waiting for WISE to find it... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 3/13/10, Shawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com wrote: From: Shawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 9:04 PM Hello List, Last week a good topic was brought about the probability of patterns with the places and amount of meteorites coming in contact with Earth. I am not sure if this hypothesis was suggested but I came across the Nemesis Hypothetical red dwarf star hypotheses in Rocks from Space by O.Richard Norton and Wikipedia. Here is what is on Wikipedia….. Nemesis is a hypothetical red dwarf star or brown dwarf, orbiting the Sun at a distance of about 50,000 to 100,000 AU, somewhat beyond the Oort cloud. This star was originally postulated to exist as part of a
Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation of Orgueil
Sorry, but it is not correct !!! By the way,the meaning of the word orgueil is pride ! cheers Jean-Alix Barrat Selon Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net: Now do you want to try Orgueil ? ;-) That one is MUCH harder for the non-French to pronounce. Again, accent is on the beginning of the word, and to first order it sounds somewhat similar to: OR' gooey ;-) --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Odd Ebay auction
Too light for hematite or iron. 20 grams at that size gives a density of circa 2-3 g/cm2, spot on for light rocks. Iron ore lies around 5-6 and pure iron at 7.87 g/cm2. In the best (worst?) case it is made of a tektite, else it's just another ordinary earth rock. /Göran Jeff Kuyken wrote: It looks like polished hematite to me. But I guess it could be almost anything. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: magel...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Odd Ebay auction Hello again, I just an email asking about this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=380117353508 The question is: Is this really carved out of an iron meteorite? And if not, what is it? Frankly I don't know. It does not even look metallic to me. Could one of you answer that questions? Thank you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Odd Ebay auction
If it were iron it would weigh more than 20 grams according to the size given. Also I doubt that it is even carved. From my manufacturing experience, I'd say it was molded from a liquid state. Jim K __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation of Orgueil
Sorry, but it is not correct !!! By the way,the meaning of the word orgueil is pride ! I think maybe I should stick with Ora-Jel? :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Santiago del Estero - Campo?
Hi Folks, Has anyone ever heard of an iron from Argentina called Santiago del Estero ? This seller is offering several shattered-crystal type iron specimens (that look like Campo) and they are being offered as Santiago del Estero iron meteorite, and the price is $1/gram. Is this seller misinformed, or am I misinformed? I check the Met Bulletin, and there is no record of Santiago del Estero. http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-METEORITE-specimen-63-grams_W0QQitemZ190380407137QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c538e7961 Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation of Orgueil
Try http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html and select one of the French voices. Jean-Alix will correct me if it's wrong, but I think it renders Orgueil and other difficult names (for non-French speakers) like Vouillé and Saint-Séverin reasonably well. You can also try some hard-to-pronounce Polish and Finnish names here as well, like Święcany, Łowicz or Bjurböle. Jeff On 2010-03-14 10:31 AM, geo...@aol.com wrote: Sorry, but it is not correct !!! By the way,the meaning of the word orgueil is pride ! I think maybe I should stick with Ora-Jel? :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star
Here's a chapter from a book I was recently reading (Night Comes to the Cretaceous): http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Just like the Old Days - Part Two of Two (ad)
Herein is a nice lot of nine different meteorites for sale (and a Moldavite) with some real keepers- and no Bessey Specks or undesirable examples. My similar offering of last week sold in a second so let's see if anyone wants these at an even better bargain price. The set includes a carb chondrite, a diogenite and one really low TKW ordinary chondrite. And there's no NWA's, all of these mets go by friendly first names. All were purchased by me from Blaine Reed to originally be packaged with my book, The Art of Collecting Meteorites, but with only fifty copies of 1,100 left to sell, this will be unneccesary. I had fun playing with these rocks, looking up their histories, and I hope you will, too. You will find the price to be fair for the quality and variety of material. Blaine told me yesterday that he is out of a couple of those listed here and knows of no other source (they presently reside at TCU). This is also my last sale of these until August or September. Payment by Paypal. Don't try to call me, I'm in Costa Rica surrounded by smoking volcanoes, and any second, likely to be fleeing from the lava. And it's not an ala carte offering, it's Winner-take-all for the soon-to-be described material. First email to me at MARSROX @gmail.com, confirmed with Paypal payment in a reasonably short time, will receive the goodies. I'll be back in FLA Tuesday, March 16 and will ship the package before the week is out. 1. A Moldavite (tektite) - Used in jewelry applications, 6x6x2mm, 0.2gms., translucent, green fragment. 2. Dalgetty Downs L4, find 1941 (Australia) - Widely distributed, 16x14x5mm slice, 1.65 gms., clean surfaces w/o oxidation. 3.Etter L5, find 1965 (Texas), CRE (cosmic exposure age) of only 1.7 Ma (Alexeev, 1998), 11x6x3mm slice, 1.30 gms, polished on two sides. 4. Aldama (b) H5 find 1996 (Mexico) - Low TKW of +2kg. and basically unavailable. 11x5x3mm cut frag, 0.6gms. 5. Huckitta PAL find 1924 (Australia) - The 1,084 gm specimen first recovered had been transported about fifty miles from the main 1,411 kg mass discovered later in 1937. 15x10x7mm, 2.25 gms., typical terrestrialized fragment with nice cut face. 6. Odessa IAB Iron find 1922 (Texas) - Aparently somewhere within this piece lurks silicate inclusions similar to Campo and Toluca (Ted Bunch et al, 1970) and native copper (Nininger and Huss, 1966). Not to be confused with Odessa H4 (Ukraine). 10x5x4mm, 0.95 gm. untumbled individual as recovered. 7. Tulia (b) L6 - Found 1917 (Texas) - Joins Tulia (a) H3/4, Tulia (c) H5-6, Tulia (d) H6, and Tulia Iron as all common to the Lubbock Super Cluster region of west-central Texas. Tulia (b) has a small TKW of 4.4kg. 8x6x3mm, sliced frag of 0.35gms with a very busy metal matrix. Who among us has all the Tulias? 8. Tatahouine DIO (Tunisia) fell 27 June, 1931. A rare, unbrecciated, green diogenite 6x5x3mm, 0.50 gm. cut frag w/interior face. 9. North Branch (Kansas) found 1972. 19x10x3mm, 1.90gm cut frag w/polished face. 10. Allende CV3 (Mexico) fell 8 Febrero, 1969. The most-studied meteorite in history, this 8x8x5mm, 0.50 gm frag w/CAI's. First buyer with US $40 (plus $5 US shipping/$13 foreign) confirmed by email to me at mars...@gmail.com takes it all. Gracias para su tiempo y tiene un bien dia. Kevin Kichinka www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com www.LAQ-CostaRica.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough? (Diregard Previous Post)
Paul, Interesting points here. Falls a bit outside of the field of meteoritics but, still a fair use for old strewnfield co-ords. I wonder Paul. Has this data ever been used in such a way? I can think of one example that this theory sorta works with. As far as I know there has only been two places on Earth where Carbonado ( black) Diamonds have been found as a strewnfield. Africa and South America. I believe this put together a theory as further evidence that the two continents were once attached. If you take a look at a world map it is easy to see that they do fit neatly together into one another. This Black diamond strewnfield makes a rather tight enough foot print which can be seen as a single strewnfield encompassing a contiguous part of both continents. So, this does I suppose add to the evidence that these two Continents were once one. But I also suppose that much of the science is still within the material itself as it has to be dated as well as the land around it also has to match up in order to prove this theory. Of course the alternative theory is that the black Diamond (Africa / South American) strewnfield was just really really big and covered half the globe. Be that not the case, here we have it. A Scientific use for a strewnfield data that is not primarily just for finding more of the same meteorites. Yeah, Paul you win. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Paul Heinrich oxytropidoce...@cox.net wrote: Please disregard my previous post as the bottom part of it was chopped off when I sent it Eric wrote: Meteorite fragments found on dry lake beds or anywhere on old ground, do in fact move. In my opinion coordinate data is still valuable, but not as valuable as say data from a fresh meteorite fall. As a geomorphologist, I would disagree. Such data from either old ground or prehistoric falls might be just as valuable as data from fresh falls. The distribution data from prehistoric falls, if collected and preserved might be useful in evaluating the type and rate of the geomorphic processes that modify and the age of the landforms on which they are found. This is because a meteorite strewn field in many ways is a chronostratigarphic equivalent of a volcanic ash beds in terms of providing a deposit that is of the same age / point in time everywhere that pieces of it are found. The way that individual meteorites belonging to a single strewn field are moved about could be used to infer how the surface of a landform has been modified and at what rate since the meteorite fall creating it occurred. If the strewn field data was collected and was accessible, I would suspect that geomorphologists would use that data in a wide variety of novel ways that neither I or nobody else on this list could at this time predict or image. Of course, once the taphonomic processes determining how meteorites are moved around after a fall and whether or not they are preserved are understood, I suspect that a person can back engineer the process to predict where to look for fossil meteorites from past falls even if they have been buried. I still think that there a number of Chinese falls, where even though they occurred centuries ago, a person has a significant chance of still being able to find meteorites from them if their taphonomy could be figured out and predictions made as to where exactly to look. Looking at some of the phrase diagrams that archaeologists have made showing the relationship between different physical characteristics of soils and sediments and the long term survival of iron artifacts, it is quite clear that iron objects, including meteorites, under specific circumstances can survive even in wet soils and sediments that they become buried in for significantly long periods of time. They might be bit too rusty for many collector's tastes. Still, they still have scientific value even in less than pristine condition. Just Some Thoughts, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad- Spade TX meteorite
Dear List Members - For those possibly interested, please have a look. Thanks! http://shop.ebay.com/jpbrockets/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=25_sop=14 And off topic - if you know of a youngster interested in stamp collecting, we receive a lot of international mailing as work and I have a few canceled stamps I could send them. As always, thanks for your time. Juris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Quick-AD: Last SMALL Specimen of very special Martian NWA 5990 Last New Halfa
Good afternoon, today we want to give only a short note on 2 specimens. First is a sample of the most noteworthy new Martian NWA 5990. Here again the abstract, outlining its special rank among the Martians: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2010/pdf/1833.pdf There, because several collectors were somewhat worried not being able to add this important Martian to their systematics, because originally only full- and half-slices were available, we sacrificed a half-slice to make smaller samples for them. These are all distributed now, but we have a surplus sample left. A quarter-gram (0.256g) partslice. Unfortunately this specimen is already the last opportunity for the private collector, still to add such a smaller sample of this Martian to his collection. Secondly: We forgot to piggyback on Martin Horejsi's fine article about New Halfa in the November issue of the Meteorite Times. http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/november/Accretion_Desk.htm There we would have still a partial endcut left, 33.60g, with some fusion crust. Stems from a fragment, somewhat larger than a fist, which we acquired years ago from the eyewitness Mr.Khalil, who is also mentionned in the Bulletin entry. (The Catalogue of Meteorites has a little mistake, the fall happened close to village N°19 and not N°9). Mr.Khalil and friends were going there from door to door, asking the locals, whether they may had collected some pieces, but without success, because then not many dared to leave the house, because all thought that sound phenomena of the fall would origin from a rocket assault. The fall area itself is destroyed by agriculture, so that it's highly unlikely that still finds could be made there. Would maybe also interesting not only for private collectors, if one thinks, that from the top-twenty collections of the World none, but Berlin (8 grams) has this observed fall. Well, instead to incite a longsome bidding battle on ebay for these two last specimens, we'd rather say, just send us an email for pictures and details, if interested. Have all a fine Sunday! Stefan Ralew Martin Altmann Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough? (Diregard Previous Post)
Interesting point Carl, I have met people who have collected rocks on both sides of the ocean which appear to be the same. Not sure what analysis were performed to prove it... Clear skies, Mark B. Vail, AZ - Original Message From: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Paul Heinrich oxytropidoce...@cox.net Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 10:03:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough? (Diregard Previous Post) Paul, Interesting points here. Falls a bit outside of the field of meteoritics but, still a fair use for old strewnfield co-ords. I wonder Paul. Has this data ever been used in such a way? I can think of one example that this theory sorta works with. As far as I know there has only been two places on Earth where Carbonado ( black) Diamonds have been found as a strewnfield. Africa and South America. I believe this put together a theory as further evidence that the two continents were once attached. If you take a look at a world map it is easy to see that they do fit neatly together into one another. This Black diamond strewnfield makes a rather tight enough foot print which can be seen as a single strewnfield encompassing a contiguous part of both continents. So, this does I suppose add to the evidence that these two Continents were once one. But I also suppose that much of the science is still within the material itself as it has to be dated as well as the land around it also has to match up in order to prove this theory. Of course the alternative theory is that the black Diamond (Africa / South American) strewnfield was just really really big and covered half the globe. Be that not the case, here we have it. A Scientific use for a strewnfield data that is not primarily just for finding more of the same meteorites. Yeah, Paul you win. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Paul Heinrich oxytropidoce...@cox.net wrote: Please disregard my previous post as the bottom part of it was chopped off when I sent it Eric wrote: Meteorite fragments found on dry lake beds or anywhere on old ground, do in fact move. In my opinion coordinate data is still valuable, but not as valuable as say data from a fresh meteorite fall. As a geomorphologist, I would disagree. Such data from either old ground or prehistoric falls might be just as valuable as data from fresh falls. The distribution data from prehistoric falls, if collected and preserved might be useful in evaluating the type and rate of the geomorphic processes that modify and the age of the landforms on which they are found. This is because a meteorite strewn field in many ways is a chronostratigarphic equivalent of a volcanic ash beds in terms of providing a deposit that is of the same age / point in time everywhere that pieces of it are found. The way that individual meteorites belonging to a single strewn field are moved about could be used to infer how the surface of a landform has been modified and at what rate since the meteorite fall creating it occurred. If the strewn field data was collected and was accessible, I would suspect that geomorphologists would use that data in a wide variety of novel ways that neither I or nobody else on this list could at this time predict or image. Of course, once the taphonomic processes determining how meteorites are moved around after a fall and whether or not they are preserved are understood, I suspect that a person can back engineer the process to predict where to look for fossil meteorites from past falls even if they have been buried. I still think that there a number of Chinese falls, where even though they occurred centuries ago, a person has a significant chance of still being able to find meteorites from them if their taphonomy could be figured out and predictions made as to where exactly to look. Looking at some of the phrase diagrams that archaeologists have made showing the relationship between different physical characteristics of soils and sediments and the long term survival of iron artifacts, it is quite clear that iron objects, including meteorites, under specific circumstances can survive even in wet soils and sediments that they become buried in for significantly long periods of time. They might be bit too rusty for many collector's tastes. Still, they still have scientific value even in less than pristine condition. Just Some Thoughts, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Odd Ebay auction
I'm pretty sure they aren't carved -- there isn't enough variation between the samples they show, or tool marks either. Also, one of the figures appears to have what looks like a casting flaw around the chin and mouth, complete with bubbly voids where the casting material didn't penetrate. Best! Tracy Latimer From: impact...@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:42:34 -0500 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: magel...@earthlink.net Subject: [meteorite-list] Odd Ebay auction Hello again, I just an email asking about this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=380117353508 The question is: Is this really carved out of an iron meteorite? And if not, what is it? Frankly I don't know. It does not even look metallic to me. Could one of you answer that questions? Thank you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation of Orgueil
Jeff Frossman brings the best solution. I have just tried the link using the Claire's voice (french of course) and the result is just perfect. Jean-Alix Selon Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov: Try http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html and select one of the French voices. Jean-Alix will correct me if it's wrong, but I think it renders Orgueil and other difficult names (for non-French speakers) like Vouillé and Saint-Séverin reasonably well. You can also try some hard-to-pronounce Polish and Finnish names here as well, like ÅwiÄcany, Åowicz or Bjurböle. Jeff On 2010-03-14 10:31 AM, geo...@aol.com wrote: Sorry, but it is not correct !!! By the way,the meaning of the word orgueil is pride ! I think maybe I should stick with Ora-Jel? :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation of Orgueil
So, if I may render it phonetically in English... or-gyell'. Timely information for me, as I just scored my first specimen of it. :^) Still looking for l'aigle... Linton - Original Message - From: bar...@univ-brest.fr To: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov Cc: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation of Orgueil Jeff Grossman brings the best solution. I have just tried the link using the Claire's voice (french of course) and the result is just perfect. Jean-Alix Selon Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov: Try http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html and select one of the French voices. Jean-Alix will correct me if it's wrong, but I think it renders Orgueil and other difficult names (for non-French speakers) like Vouillé and Saint-Séverin reasonably well. You can also try some hard-to-pronounce Polish and Finnish names here as well, like ÅswiÄTcany, Åowicz or Bjurböle. Jeff On 2010-03-14 10:31 AM, geo...@aol.com wrote: Sorry, but it is not correct !!! By the way,the meaning of the word orgueil is pride ! I think maybe I should stick with Ora-Jel? :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Trying to contact Dorothy Norton
Hi to all, hope everyone is doing well. I would like to speak with Dorothy Norton, could someone please forward my email and ask her to please contact me or send me her email off list. Thanks! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: For Trade - Antarctic Minerals for Meteorites
Dear List: This is slightly OT, but I would like to offer some rare native Antarctic minerals in exchange for meteorites. I have seven specimens including some from Dr. Andronikov, who led several Russian expeditions to the continent in the 1980s. Also, two of them from Mt. Adamson and Mt. Erebus, Victoria Land. These are very nice and rare specimens, but I am focusing exclusively on meteorites and I know there are many mineral collectors on the list. If interested, please email me off-list. I am looking to trade for historic meteorites or fresh falls, but will consider just about anything. Cheers, Mike Bandli -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Trying to contact Dorothy Norton
Thanks, I have what I needed. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Sun, 3/14/10, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Trying to contact Dorothy Norton To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 4:58 PM Hi to all, hope everyone is doing well. I would like to speak with Dorothy Norton, could someone please forward my email and ask her to please contact me or send me her email off list. Thanks! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Santiago del Estero - Campo?
Hi Mike, Santiago del Estero is one of the provinces that the Campo strewn field crosses...the other is Chaco. Supposedly meteorites from that province are..or were.. legal to sell/export...but not sure since all the changes recently see here... http://www.planetarium.montreal.qc.ca/Information/Expo_Meteorites/Vedettes/campodelcielo_a.html Hope that helps... Graham E, UK Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, Has anyone ever heard of an iron from Argentina called Santiago del Estero ? This seller is offering several shattered-crystal type iron specimens (that look like Campo) and they are being offered as Santiago del Estero iron meteorite, and the price is $1/gram. Is this seller misinformed, or am I misinformed? I check the Met Bulletin, and there is no record of Santiago del Estero. http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-METEORITE-specimen-63-grams_W0QQitemZ190380407137QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c538e7961 Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Interesting Stones
Take a look at Stone #5 and Stone #6 http://www.meteoritesusa.com/odd-stones/ I'm reasonably sure Stone #5 is probably a meteorite, however, Stone #6 appears to be a meteorite from the exterior, but exhibits no magnetism and ZERO visible metal, and a weird matrix with green inclusions. Any ideas? Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hayabusa sets sights on planet Earth for June return
Hayabusa sets sights on planet Earth for June return http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1003/13hayabusa/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Murchison Cases sale
Hi All, I have a very nice 3.779g Murchison End Piese with some signs of . Orientation (moderate Roll over lipping, slight regmaglypting). It is $950- but for 24hrs any list member can buy it for $750 + shipping. See at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Movie.html Also, 21 small display boxes for $2 + $5 priority mail (US Only) See at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Movie.html PS: There is a little left over Halloween movie for those who Have a macabre sense of humor. Best wishes, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube
Hi List, First off, I want you all to know I am not taking this seriously, just having fun with it. About a month ago I came up with the Martin cube. A wood centimeter scale / orientation cube that would look good next to historic meteorites. Hence the nick name Martin Cube. Well as it happened, I had just sent Count some Martin cubes when he made his fantastic record setting 14.7 Kg Nevada chondrite find. I got to thinking the little centimeter cube would look rather insignificant next to the monster. So I made some 1 inch cubes. (I wanted to stay metric but I also wanted to keep to even numbers or the whole scale easy size reference thing goes out the window. One inch is about 25mm.) I listed some on eBay in sets of three cubes; 1 Martin Cube, 1 new style cube with CM to designate centimeter and 1 Count Cube (The big one!). The link is at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260569117864ssPageName=S TRK:MESELX:IT Thanks,Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A 6th reason to document meteorites
So we can get this beaten-to-death-horse of a topic off the list. Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] My sales are up! ALH A76009, NWA 4734 Lunar NWA 5511
Four trio lot sets - each containing frags/micros of ALH A76009, NWA 4734 Lunar and NWA 5511: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150423081988ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150423061909ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150423073194ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150423067027ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Please me a PM if you have any inquiries.. --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough? (Diregard Previous Post)
cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Interesting points here. Falls a bit outside of the field of meteoritics but, still a fair use for old strewnfield co-ords. I wonder Paul. Has this data ever been used in such a way? I do not know of meteorite strew fields being used this way specifically. However, the strewn fields for impact ejecta have been used widely in geology as part of a field of geologic research called Impact stratigraphy,which a subdivision of event stratigraphy. Go see: Keller, G., 2008, Impact stratigraphy: Old principle, new reality. In The Sedimentary Record of Meteorite Impacts, Special Papers no. 437, Geological Society of America. http://specialpapers.gsapubs.org/content/437/147.abstract and Montanari, A., 2000, Impact Stratigraphy. Lecture notes in earth sciences no. 93. Springer, New York. http://openlibrary.org/b/OL18113398M/Impact_stratigraphy One extreme example is the way that the Cretaceous- Tertiary ejecta layer has been used a global time-stratigrapher marker. Also, the tektites, mainly the microtektites, of the Australasian tektite strewn field has been used as time-stratigraphic marker bed in correlating deep sea cores, Chinese loess deposits, and for use in geomorphic studies. One archaeological site in China is dated by Australasian tektites. Similarly, iridium anomalies and microtektites have been used to correlate Eocene deposits in Europe. Most recently, impact ejecta from the Sudbury impact has been to correlate Precambrain strata in the Lake Superior region and the ejecta from other Precambrian ejecta have been used to correlate Precambrian strata across Australia and Africa. Examples of using the ejecta strewn field of Precambrian impacts to correlate and date Precambrian strata can found in: Gostin, V. A., P. W. Haines, R. J. F. Jenkins, W. Compston, and I. S. Williams, 1986, Impact ejecta horizon within late Precambrian shales, Adelaide Geosyncline, South Australia. Science. vol. 233, pp. 198-200. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/233/4760/198 Yours, Paul __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Meteorite for Sale!
Hi guys! I have some meteorites from my collection for sale. Shipping only to U.S. Send me an e-mail offlist for pics, payment info, questions, etc. Thank you! Brenham Pallasite part slice: 6 grams - $24 Canyon Diablo individual: 23.42 grams - $20 Gao individual: 6.3 grams - $18 Gibeon individual - 3.02 grams - $6 Mali individual - 1.19 grams - $5 Campo del Cielo individual / very nice shape and has a 1.5 cm crater - 360 grams - $80 Campo del Cielo half individual etched - 419 grams - $80 Sikhote-Alin individual - 30 grams - $60 Sikhote-Alin individual(highly oriented) - 15.8 grams - $45 Sikhote-Alin individual(highly oriented shield) - 55 grams - $165 Sikhote-Alin fragment - 146 grams - $80 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube
Hi Tom and List, I like the direction your going with the wooden orientation cubes, however I have a question. You had said.. First off, I want you all to know I am not taking this seriously, just having fun with it. Now when you say your just just having fun with this and not taking this seriously, is this in reference to the sizes of the new orientation cubes? Why I ask is because when I was looking at some of the images that you had posted on eBay with the new inch orientation cubes, I wasn't able to tell which one was the inch cube and which on was the cm cube.I think this could cause problems with documenting the size by using the inch orientation cubes instead of cm cubes for reference of size. I feel there is a reason why in science and meteorite science the metric system is used as a standard practices for measuring/documentation, if there wasn't standard size in measuring, science would be a mess. Now I think if you made the inch orientation cube ornate looking and pushed the humor by altering it so it doesn't resemble the cm wooden orientation cubes, I could see people not getting confused with the inch orientation cube and they would see the humor in it. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube Starsinthedirt at aol.com Starsinthedirt at aol.com Sun Mar 14 19:48:40 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Hayabusa sets sights on planet Earth for June return Next message: [meteorite-list] A 6th reason to document meteorites Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi List, First off, I want you all to know I am not taking this seriously, just having fun with it. About a month ago I came up with the Martin cube. A wood centimeter scale / orientation cube that would look good next to historic meteorites. Hence the nick name Martin Cube. Well as it happened, I had just sent Count some Martin cubes when he made his fantastic record setting 14.7 Kg Nevada chondrite find. I got to thinking the little centimeter cube would look rather insignificant next to the monster. So I made some 1 inch cubes. (I wanted to stay metric but I also wanted to keep to even numbers or the whole scale easy size reference thing goes out the window. One inch is about 25mm.) I listed some on eBay in sets of three cubes; 1 Martin Cube, 1 new style cube with CM to designate centimeter and 1 Count Cube (The big one!). The link is at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260569117864ssPageName=S TRK:MESELX:IT Thanks, Tom Previous message: [meteorite-list] Hayabusa sets sights on planet Earth for June return Next message: [meteorite-list] A 6th reason to document meteorites Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube
Hi Shawn, I am having fun with the whole naming thing. The one inch cube has 1 INCH stamped on it on the T side. It is my understanding that a scale cube can be any size that is appropriate to represent the sample. No rules. Many are not marked and the size of the reference item (cube or otherwise) is conveyed to the image viewers in the text accompanying the photo. Tom In a message dated 3/14/2010 9:50:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, photoph...@yahoo.com writes: Hi Tom and List, I like the direction your going with the wooden orientation cubes, however I have a question. You had said.. First off, I want you all to know I am not taking this seriously, just having fun with it. Now when you say your just just having fun with this and not taking this seriously, is this in reference to the sizes of the new orientation cubes? Why I ask is because when I was looking at some of the images that you had posted on eBay with the new inch orientation cubes, I wasn't able to tell which one was the inch cube and which on was the cm cube.I think this could cause problems with documenting the size by using the inch orientation cubes instead of cm cubes for reference of size. I feel there is a reason why in science and meteorite science the metric system is used as a standard practices for measuring/documentation, if there wasn't standard size in measuring, science would be a mess. Now I think if you made the inch orientation cube ornate looking and pushed the humor by altering it so it doesn't resemble the cm wooden orientation cubes, I could see people not getting confused with the inch orientation cube and they would see the humor in it. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube Starsinthedirt at aol.com Starsinthedirt at aol.com Sun Mar 14 19:48:40 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Hayabusa sets sights on planet Earth for June return Next message: [meteorite-list] A 6th reason to document meteorites Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi List, First off, I want you all to know I am not taking this seriously, just having fun with it. About a month ago I came up with the Martin cube. A wood centimeter scale / orientation cube that would look good next to historic meteorites. Hence the nick name Martin Cube. Well as it happened, I had just sent Count some Martin cubes when he made his fantastic record setting 14.7 Kg Nevada chondrite find. I got to thinking the little centimeter cube would look rather insignificant next to the monster. So I made some 1 inch cubes. (I wanted to stay metric but I also wanted to keep to even numbers or the whole scale easy size reference thing goes out the window. One inch is about 25mm.) I listed some on eBay in sets of three cubes; 1 Martin Cube, 1 new style cube with CM to designate centimeter and 1 Count Cube (The big one!). The link is at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260569117864ssPageName=S TRK:MESELX:IT Thanks, Tom Previous message: [meteorite-list] Hayabusa sets sights on planet Earth for June return Next message: [meteorite-list] A 6th reason to document meteorites Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube
Have some real fun and make a 1 cubic FOOT and a 1 cubic METER cubes! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube
Hi Tom, I think with the naming thing is cool, I like it, but what can be confusing is the standard size being converted to the new inch size from the standard cm size which is used with metal cubes. Yes, you did convey to the viewers the new inch size by only inscribing INCH on one side. Now when the viewer wins the new inch cube he/she will only be able to use the inch side that is inscribed because if the other sides are used people will think that its a cm cube size which is the standard size that has been used in orientation cubes for many decades. Now by introducing a new orientation cube size this could make things confusing on referencing the size of a meteorite in relation with the new inch orientation cube. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube Starsinthedirt at aol.com Starsinthedirt at aol.com Sun Mar 14 23:56:59 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Shawn, I am having fun with the whole naming thing. The one inch cube has 1 INCH stamped on it on the T side. It is my understanding that a scale cube can be any size that is appropriate to represent the sample. No rules. Many are not marked and the size of the reference item (cube or otherwise) is conveyed to the image viewers in the text accompanying the photo. Tom In a message dated 3/14/2010 9:50:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, photophlow at yahoo.com writes: Hi Tom and List, I like the direction your going with the wooden orientation cubes, however I have a question. You had said.. First off, I want you all to know I am not taking this seriously, just having fun with it. Now when you say your just just having fun with this and not taking this seriously, is this in reference to the sizes of the new orientation cubes? Why I ask is because when I was looking at some of the images that you had posted on eBay with the new inch orientation cubes, I wasn't able to tell which one was the inch cube and which on was the cm cube.I think this could cause problems with documenting the size by using the inch orientation cubes instead of cm cubes for reference of size. I feel there is a reason why in science and meteorite science the metric system is used as a standard practices for measuring/documentation, if there wasn't standard size in measuring, science would be a mess. Now I think if you made the inch orientation cube ornate looking and pushed the humor by altering it so it doesn't resemble the cm wooden orientation cubes, I could see people not getting confused with the inch orientation cube and they would see the humor in it. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube Starsinthedirt at aol.com Starsinthedirt at aol.com Sun Mar 14 19:48:40 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Hayabusa sets sights on planet Earth for June return Next message: [meteorite-list] A 6th reason to document meteorites Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi List, First off, I want you all to know I am not taking this seriously, just having fun with it. About a month ago I came up with the Martin cube. A wood centimeter scale / orientation cube that would look good next to historic meteorites. Hence the nick name Martin Cube. Well as it happened, I had just sent Count some Martin cubes when he made his fantastic record setting 14.7 Kg Nevada chondrite find. I got to thinking the little centimeter cube would look rather insignificant next to the monster. So I made some 1 inch cubes. (I wanted to stay metric but I also wanted to keep to even numbers or the whole scale easy size reference thing goes out the window. One inch is about 25mm.) I listed some on eBay in sets of three cubes; 1 Martin Cube, 1 new style cube with CM to designate centimeter and 1 Count Cube (The big one!). The link is at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260569117864ssPageName=S TRK:MESELX:IT Thanks, Tom Previous message: [meteorite-list] Hayabusa sets sights on planet Earth for June return Next message: [meteorite-list] A 6th reason to document meteorites Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list Previous message: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube
Hi Shawn and List, I do not intend to sound sarcastic. It is a sincere question when I ask if a standard scale cube size has been established. In meteorites we have perhaps become accustomed to 1 cm but that might be a result of what was first marketed to this community. In other fields are different sizes the norm? I have seen many objects used for size reference and since I started this I was asked by a well respected meteorite expert if I could make a small scale cube. They only work with relatively small features. I tried to rise to the challenge, I even found 1mm letter punch stamps but the small size couldn't stand the stamping process. The cubes just crushed. That and I wasn't good at keeping the cube dimensions constant at the very small size. Tom In a message dated 3/14/2010 10:31:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, photoph...@yahoo.com writes: Hi Tom, I think with the naming thing is cool, I like it, but what can be confusing is the standard size being converted to the new inch size from the standard cm size which is used with metal cubes. Yes, you did convey to the viewers the new inch size by only inscribing INCH on one side. Now when the viewer wins the new inch cube he/she will only be able to use the inch side that is inscribed because if the other sides are used people will think that its a cm cube size which is the standard size that has been used in orientation cubes for many decades. Now by introducing a new orientation cube size this could make things confusing on referencing the size of a meteorite in relation with the new inch orientation cube. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube Starsinthedirt at aol.com Starsinthedirt at aol.com Sun Mar 14 23:56:59 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Shawn, I am having fun with the whole naming thing. The one inch cube has 1 INCH stamped on it on the T side. It is my understanding that a scale cube can be any size that is appropriate to represent the sample. No rules. Many are not marked and the size of the reference item (cube or otherwise) is conveyed to the image viewers in the text accompanying the photo. Tom In a message dated 3/14/2010 9:50:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, photophlow at yahoo.com writes: Hi Tom and List, I like the direction your going with the wooden orientation cubes, however I have a question. You had said.. First off, I want you all to know I am not taking this seriously, just having fun with it. Now when you say your just just having fun with this and not taking this seriously, is this in reference to the sizes of the new orientation cubes? Why I ask is because when I was looking at some of the images that you had posted on eBay with the new inch orientation cubes, I wasn't able to tell which one was the inch cube and which on was the cm cube.I think this could cause problems with documenting the size by using the inch orientation cubes instead of cm cubes for reference of size. I feel there is a reason why in science and meteorite science the metric system is used as a standard practices for measuring/documentation, if there wasn't standard size in measuring, science would be a mess. Now I think if you made the inch orientation cube ornate looking and pushed the humor by altering it so it doesn't resemble the cm wooden orientation cubes, I could see people not getting confused with the inch orientation cube and they would see the humor in it. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube Starsinthedirt at aol.com Starsinthedirt at aol.com Sun Mar 14 19:48:40 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Hayabusa sets sights on planet Earth for June return Next message: [meteorite-list] A 6th reason to document meteorites Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi List, First off, I want you all to know I am not taking this seriously, just having fun with it. About a month ago I came up with the Martin cube. A wood centimeter scale / orientation cube that would look good next to historic meteorites. Hence the nick name Martin Cube. Well as it happened, I had just sent Count some Martin cubes when he made his fantastic record setting 14.7 Kg Nevada chondrite find. I got to thinking the little centimeter cube would look rather insignificant next to the monster. So I made some 1 inch cubes. (I wanted to stay metric but I also wanted to keep to even numbers or the whole scale easy size reference thing goes out the window. One inch is about 25mm.) I
Re: [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star
--- On Sun, 3/14/10, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi, All. Despite the Nibiru Nuttery (and the clips of Muller in it), there is a continuing misunderstanding of the Nemesis hypothesis as regards the proposed orbit, its stability, and lifetime. Agreed An important point that hasn't been mentioned since this thread began is that the Nemesis hypothesis was created to explain an apparent periodicity in the observed extinctions over the past half a billion years. This periodicity is 26 million years. Unfortunately, this is the mean, and doesn't occur like clockwork which is a requisite for an orbiting star. Some extinction happen approximately on the 26my timetable, but most do not. Many are at least a million years off and one is as far off as 11 million years! A star is such an orbit is going to pass through the Oort Cloud much more precisely than this. An 11 million year offset is completely unreasonable. As I mentioned in my earlier post, a 26my period orbit extends into interstellar space and is unstable. Even if the object hasn't been orbiting the Sun for the last 4.5by, but only 500 million, as Sterling mentions, it would still have been ejected from its orbit long before now. Alan Harris, who was at JPL for most of his career studying the minor bodies of our Solar System, posted on MPML this morning, This has actually been studied in great detail, and we have a real example in nature: the Oort comet cloud. The typical dimension given for the Oort Cloud is around 10,000 AU, with orbit periods in the one million year range. Dynamical studies demonstrate that orbits in that range are the ones close enough to instability to be perturbed out of the inner planetary system 4.5 GY ago, and back in at random times since then, but not so far out as to be stripped away by passing stars, the galactic tide, and so forth. A 26 million year orbit period corresponds to an orbit about ten times bigger, around 100,000 AU, as you calculate, and is just too distant. Such a distant orbit is unstable and subject to being stripped away in only an orbit or two of the sun. That's been well shown with Monte Carlo integrations simulating the origin and evolution of the Oort Cloud. If Nemesis exists, or existed, it would only orbit the Sun for 50 million years or so... Even if we double the reasonable lifetime to ~100 million years, or four orbits, the hypothesis fails to account for the supposed periodicity in the extinctions over the last 500 million years. In my opinion, Nemesis is hypothesis who's time came and went over a decade ago. Richard __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball over Tucson
I just had what appeared to be a bright fireball appear heading south to north over the telescope on Mt. Lemmon. It was visible on my all sky camera pointing out of my slit for several seconds. It'd be interesting to know if anyone else saw it. I'm sure other cameras that record their images caught it too.. My camera doesn't record, so I can't go back and check it. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube
I've got 3 of Tom's centimeter cubes and they are very cool! Thank you, Tom. Great work. I also like your coffee mugs! Greg From: starsinthed...@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:48:40 -0400 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube Hi List, First off, I want you all to know I am not taking this seriously, just having fun with it. About a month ago I came up with the Martin cube. A wood centimeter scale / orientation cube that would look good next to historic meteorites. Hence the nick name Martin Cube. Well as it happened, I had just sent Count some Martin cubes when he made his fantastic record setting 14.7 Kg Nevada chondrite find. I got to thinking the little centimeter cube would look rather insignificant next to the monster. So I made some 1 inch cubes. (I wanted to stay metric but I also wanted to keep to even numbers or the whole scale easy size reference thing goes out the window. One inch is about 25mm.) I listed some on eBay in sets of three cubes; 1 Martin Cube, 1 new style cube with CM to designate centimeter and 1 Count Cube (The big one!). The link is at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260569117864ssPageName=S TRK:MESELX:IT Thanks, Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
