[meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions starting on Saturday
Dear Fellow Listees, I have been away from ebay for some weeks because I was too busy but as I still have some few goodies left for auctions, 6 meteorites will be offered to you on ebay on Saturday, starting at 11:00am PDT, 20h00 Paris time. To see them, you can check at: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZmeteoriteshow Don't miss them as they are almost my last auctions for some time... Thank you very much for watching and best wishes to ALL BIDDERS!!! Kind regards, Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] golden iron color and Widmanst ätten patterns
Jason and Carl, I would like to say thank you for the posts on your points, now I have a better understanding about what a winonaite is after I read about it a couple days ago in the Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites and the posts by you two. But I would have to agree more with one of you then the other of on how this first started in the first place. From my understanding the definition of a winonaite meteorite from Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites book states A rare class of primitive achondrites that have been partially melted and differentiated. They are associated with IAB irons. Here is the the link to the iron that is in question provided by aziz habibi and thank you for sharing that with the list :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/4386803981/ As you can see from the image one would guess from the outer appearance of the meteorite that one might concluded from the regmaglypts and widmanstatten pattern seen by aziz that this might be an iron meteorite. But to suggested that this could be a winonaite could be very misleading for the fact winonaites are stony meteorites and when I checked on the images of winonaites on the The Meteortical Bulletin Database not one resembled the meteorite that aziz listed but resemble stony meteorites. But when I looked up iron meteorites it sure did look like a iron meteorite to me. Here is a link to the 9 winonaites with images at http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php In closing I think its safe to say that suggesting that aziz's iron meteorite to be a winonaite is a far fetched suggestion and should not have been said in the first place. Its like comparing how long a rope is, when it is not even a rope, but a chain :) At any rate I like the discussion that you both brought up and look forward to more discussions on the list. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] golden iron color and Widmanstätten patternsJason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 00:23:36 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] golden iron color and Widmanstätten patterns Next message: [meteorite-list] golden iron color and Widmanstätten patterns Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Carl, The way I see it, you have someone asking a question and a bunch of answers that - as I said with my first message - I can see where they're coming from, but...they're all a little off. I may get into some idiotic arguments on here, but I try not to write things that are simply incorrect. If I see things that are, fell somewhat obliged to respond if no one else does - while many list-members might recognize such observations as inane or obvious, there are clearly some who don't. If my matter-of-fact replies offend you, I'm sorry, but when you keep insisting on quasi-ridiculous claims, and posting them to nearly a thousand people...I don't get where you're coming from. Again, I may say dumb things, but I do try to check my facts. I'll restate two things, and two things only. 1) The oxygen isotope ratios in winonaites are *IDENTICAL* to the ratios in silicate inclusions in IAB irons. This is the third time I am saying this. They are from the same parent body. They have the same oxygen isotopes. 2) Sandblasting. In this case, windblown sand removed a layer of oxide from the upper surface of the meteorite. That's textbook sandblasting. But once the wind got to the surface of fresh metal, a fine layer of...whatever you want to call it - varnish, oxide, whatever - formed. Hence the coloration. It's on Ziz, it's on the unclassified NWA iron I posted photos of earlier, and it's on NWA 5549, to name a few. All of those are simple octahedrites. Only one has silicates, and those inclusions didn't change the appearance of the wind-polished surfaces, except where silicates were visible (as textured, matte indentations). I've already acknowledged the, in my opinion, very small chance that your hypothesis could be correct and that you're dealing with an iron-silicate eclair. But seeing as there are many common irons and no known extraterrestrial jelly-doughnuts, I find this, as I said before, unlikely to the point of being a very strange thing to suggest. When I see an iron, I don't usually suggest that it's a winonaite full of silicate inclusions, and I definitely don't do it to a thousand people. There's a reason for that. Jason On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:55 PM, cdtucson at cox.net wrote: Jas, I'm reminded why I hate to respond to your posts. Your opinions are never wrong but, I recognize that others have opinions. Until this is classified we don't even know it's a meteorite yet. I understand even farmer was wrong recently. Let me say this my friend. If Farmer can be wrong. Anyone can be wrong. Period. It could still be a winonaite with mostly iron and therefore the whole thing would be classified a Winonaite including the IAB iron portion. Again it will have
Re: [meteorite-list] Lucerne Dry Lake
http://www.meteorite1.com/lweb.htm No. It is open to collecting (persumably minerals) but all vehicles are now legally prohibited from driving on the dry lake. Don't know whether you would be chased off or whether it is being patrolled, but if you attempt an overnight camp be aware of flash floods (even in July and August) or you could be swimming when you awake in the morning. Parts of the dry lake become very wet, even become rather sizeable lakes. This is a catch basin for the adjacent desert area. See my link above. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: geo...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Lucerne Dry Lake Okay...I'm trying to find out some info about Lucerne Dry Lake in Southern California near Barstow. Can anyone tell me if you are allowed to or able to drive a camping trailer onto the dry lake for camping purposes? Also do people pitch tents there without getting chased off. I'm not all that familiar with that area and trying to get a feel for things before making any decisions. Thanks. George Zay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14690 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14700 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - February 2010
http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/february2010.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] For sale Canyon Diablo's with holes, Mali and more....
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[meteorite-list] Warning-- pallasite bandit on the lam
http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20100402/NEWS/304029983 Man on run after theft of space rock from Dungeness resident By Tom Callis Peninsula Daily News DUNGENESS -- A man who allegedly stole a rare meteorite from a Dungeness resident more than a year ago is on the run, according to the Clallam County Sheriff's Office. A bench warrant was issued for the arrest of Raymond R. Lima after he missed a court appearance in February. Lima, who is charged with first-degree theft, was scheduled to be tried in Clallam County Superior Court on March 10. He could just be lying low on the radar, said Chief Criminal Deputy Ron Cameron. He could be here. We don't know. Lima, 34, of Sequim pleaded not guilty Dec. 18. He was released on personal recognizance at that time. Lima allegedly stole a 4.5-pound pallasite meteorite, which was in two pieces, from Michael Pimentel in January 2009. The space rock was discovered in Chile in the 19th century, said Pimentel, who owns Eclipse Minerals in Dungeness. Pimentel believes he traced the meteorite, worth $80,000, to Lima when a rare rock and gem dealer in Arizona notified him he purchased one half of a pallasite meteorite from Lima after he reported it missing. The 2.25-pound rock matched the other half of the meteorite, Pimental believes, based on a photograph. It was returned to him, but the other half remains missing, he said. Pimentel said pallasites are rare even for meteorites and are known for having an abundance of translucent olivine crystals. A few other items, including a small piece of a nantan meteorite and an Earth rock known as a druzy agate geode, also went missing 15 months ago but have since been returned by a Sequim man who had acquired them, he said. Some Roman coins remain missing from that theft. Pimentel said Lima, who was a fishing buddy of his, was the only other person who knew where it was kept in his home. He said Lima is likely either in Arizona, Seattle or somewhere on the North Olympic Peninsula. I'd just like to get this guy caught, Pimentel said. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] golden iron color and Widmanstä tten patterns
hey all, about this iron, all i can say is that the golden color is real, and it has not been touched by any human, when i get the iron i was helping some amerecain friend to hunt and they saw the iron like i did , its not photoshop or any change in color with any programm the iron is real golden color , 4 imca member two from europe and two from usa have seen it whith me in my hotel in erfoud the iron is real the color two , what is it let wait and see, by the way there is a meteorite AH 39 under classification by dr ted bunch that is more amazing and will be may be one of the history of meteorite . it look like a cm but its not a carbonaceous , let's wait for dr ted and dr doug rumble and you will have your meteorite of the decade thanks IMCA # 6220 habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Look At All The Craters!
Thought this was interesting. MARS http://hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu/PDS/EXTRAS/RDR/ESP/ORB_014300_014399/ESP_014394_2045/ESP_014394_2045_RED.abrowse.jpg When considering the number of craters visible on every planet in our solar system whose surface we can see, and which have hostile atmospheres, to zero atmosphere, and also taking into consideration terrestrial weathering, erosion, and other factors which erase traces of meteorite impact craters, why are there still so many craters visible on Mars? When you look at the surfaces of the Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury, the moons of the gas giants, and all asteroids especially Ceres, Vesta, Ida, and others, I would think you couldn't go very far on Earth without walking across or into the last remnants of a crater. I understand age and weathering and why there's no meteoritic material left around these most of the craters, but I guess my point is that given the sheer abundance of craters on every celestial body whose surface we can see would seem to me to be evidence of Earth's history as well. Given that, is there technology or a mapping system that is capable of cataloging all of Earth's impact craters? I'm not talking about the really big ones we already know about, but the smaller hard to find craters in forests, under desert sands, and ocean floors. Evidence still exists of these craters... Would magnetic anomaly maps be helpful in finding craters? Lidar, or Radar? Has anyone ever attempted to map all the craters on Earth's surface minus the trees, oceans and man-made structures? I know this is a lot of questions... ;) Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Jesenice 2009 Slovenia Fall
Hi List, The Jesenice fall of 2009 was just published in the Met Bulletin. It is an L6 chondrite that fell almost one year ago today on April 09, 2009 in Slovenia. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=51589 Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Look At All The Craters!
Eric and List, Yes, LIDAR, magnetic anomaly maps, and other spectral imagery can help in their search. One limiting factor is cost; another is access to the data. Google Earth? has a feature where you can fill areas with water to make your hunt more interesting. The real craft takes serious study, time, and money and SHOULD NOT be free for the taking as some of us have devoted much of our lives at it without monetary or personal gain. Any serious persons wishing information I will gladly share what I know; but this list gets heavily mined (often by drive-bys) without so much as a thank you. Best Regards, Dirk Ross..Tokyo sorry original was posted in rich text --- On Sat, 4/3/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Look At All The Craters! To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 2:28 AM Thought this was interesting. MARS http://hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu/PDS/EXTRAS/RDR/ESP/ORB_014300_014399/ESP_014394_2045/ESP_014394_2045_RED.abrowse.jpg When considering the number of craters visible on every planet in our solar system whose surface we can see, and which have hostile atmospheres, to zero atmosphere, and also taking into consideration terrestrial weathering, erosion, and other factors which erase traces of meteorite impact craters, why are there still so many craters visible on Mars? When you look at the surfaces of the Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury, the moons of the gas giants, and all asteroids especially Ceres, Vesta, Ida, and others, I would think you couldn't go very far on Earth without walking across or into the last remnants of a crater. I understand age and weathering and why there's no meteoritic material left around these most of the craters, but I guess my point is that given the sheer abundance of craters on every celestial body whose surface we can see would seem to me to be evidence of Earth's history as well. Given that, is there technology or a mapping system that is capable of cataloging all of Earth's impact craters? I'm not talking about the really big ones we already know about, but the smaller hard to find craters in forests, under desert sands, and ocean floors. Evidence still exists of these craters... Would magnetic anomaly maps be helpful in finding craters? Lidar, or Radar? Has anyone ever attempted to map all the craters on Earth's surface minus the trees, oceans and man-made structures? I know this is a lot of questions... ;) Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] Swap - NASA and Apollo Moon Landing Memorabilia for Meteorites
Greetings List, I know this is not exactly on-topic, but it may be of interest to someone on this list. I have a sizeable stack of NASA Apollo/Moon Landing memorabilia that I am going to sell - the money from this sale will be used to purchase meteorites. So, I thought before I offer this to some space collector friends of mine, I would offer it up to the list to see if anyone wants to trade some meteorites for this Apollo material. Contact me off-list if interested. I am interested in almost any kind of meteorite material - either for my own collection or for resale. I need some small Canyon Diablo irons, Tagish Lake, moldavite, LDG, and eucrite. I'm also looking for any recent falls from 2000 to 2010. No lowball offers please - the newspapers in this offer are very scarce in this complete condition. And some of the lithographs (like the Soyuz ones) are very hard to find in mint condition. Photos are available upon request. Here is what I have - 1) Newspapers from around the world, that cover the first Apollo launch and the moon landing. Dates are July 17, 1969 for the launch papers and July 21, 1969 for the moon landing. These are the entire newspapers, not just the front page headline. So they are also chock full of news stories and advertisments. They also feature special sections on the Apollo program which are loaded with photos and diagrams. The German newspaper has a giant full-color fold-out of Apollo. International Herald Tribune - Apollo 11 Soars After Perfect Blast-Off, All Looking Good; Next Stop the Moon Bild Zeitung (Germany) - Der Monde ist jetzt ein Ami (huge color fold-out included) London Daily Telegraph - Americans First on the Moon - Eagle touches down in football pitch Financial Times - Astronauts touch down on the Moon Iberian Daily Sun (Madrid, weekly, July 22) - Bye Bye Moon, and back to Mama Madrid Diario de la Noche (Madrid) - La Luna Ya Es Del Hombre These papers also feature headlines for the Soviet Luna 15 program, Ted Kennedy's Chappaquidick scandal, and more. ... NASA 8x10 Glossy Lithographs - (color, mint to near-mint condition, suitable for framing) 1) ASTP Crewmen Aboard Apollo-Soyuz 2) Cernan salutes the flag at Apollo 17 landing site 3) Crew photo for Third Space Shuttle Orbital Test (STS-3) 4) Skylab 3 pilot Lousma flies the M509 experiment 5) Flight deck of the Space Shuttle Columbia 6) Apollo-Soyuz Symbolic Flight Activities 7) Apollo 11 astronaut prepares to step onto the moon. 8) Space shuttle orbiter carrying Spacelab 9) Apollo 16 lift-off 10) Nighttime launch of Apollo 17 11) Crew photo of the Fourth Space Shuttle Orbital Test (STS-4) NASA Educational Pieces - (most of these are booklets and pamphlets on various space science topics) 1) NASA Publications Catalogue April 1982 2) NASA Films Catalogue January 1982 3) NASA Aerospace Education Unit 4) NASA Educational Brief - Second Flight of the Shuttle 1982 5) NASA Educational Brief - April 1981 6) NASA Educational Brief - July 1981 7) NASA Educational Brief - May 1981 8) NASA Educational Brief - March 1981 9) NASA Johnson Space Center Film Catalogue - October 1981 10) NASA Facts - Skylab 1973/1974 11) NASA Facts - Earth Resources 12) NASA Facts - Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center 13) NASA Facts - The Next Step, Large Space Structures 14) NASA Facts - Space Benefits 15) NASA Facts - Saturn V 16) NASA Facts - Astronaut Selection and Training 17) NASA Facts - A Wardrobe for Space 18) NASA Facts - Manned Space Flight - The First Decade 19) NASA Facts - Food for Space Flight Thanks for looking! MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Swap - NASA and Apollo Moon Landing Memorabiliafor Meteorites
Liquidating other assets to buy meteorites Sounds so very familiar. g Linton - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 1:32 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Swap - NASA and Apollo Moon Landing Memorabiliafor Meteorites Greetings List, I know this is not exactly on-topic, but it may be of interest to someone on this list. I have a sizeable stack of NASA Apollo/Moon Landing memorabilia that I am going to sell - the money from this sale will be used to purchase meteorites. So, I thought before I offer this to some space collector friends of mine, I would offer it up to the list to see if anyone wants to trade some meteorites for this Apollo material. Contact me off-list if interested. I am interested in almost any kind of meteorite material - either for my own collection or for resale. I need some small Canyon Diablo irons, Tagish Lake, moldavite, LDG, and eucrite. I'm also looking for any recent falls from 2000 to 2010. No lowball offers please - the newspapers in this offer are very scarce in this complete condition. And some of the lithographs (like the Soyuz ones) are very hard to find in mint condition. Photos are available upon request. Here is what I have - 1) Newspapers from around the world, that cover the first Apollo launch and the moon landing. Dates are July 17, 1969 for the launch papers and July 21, 1969 for the moon landing. These are the entire newspapers, not just the front page headline. So they are also chock full of news stories and advertisments. They also feature special sections on the Apollo program which are loaded with photos and diagrams. The German newspaper has a giant full-color fold-out of Apollo. International Herald Tribune - Apollo 11 Soars After Perfect Blast-Off, All Looking Good; Next Stop the Moon Bild Zeitung (Germany) - Der Monde ist jetzt ein Ami (huge color fold-out included) London Daily Telegraph - Americans First on the Moon - Eagle touches down in football pitch Financial Times - Astronauts touch down on the Moon Iberian Daily Sun (Madrid, weekly, July 22) - Bye Bye Moon, and back to Mama Madrid Diario de la Noche (Madrid) - La Luna Ya Es Del Hombre These papers also feature headlines for the Soviet Luna 15 program, Ted Kennedy's Chappaquidick scandal, and more. ... NASA 8x10 Glossy Lithographs - (color, mint to near-mint condition, suitable for framing) 1) ASTP Crewmen Aboard Apollo-Soyuz 2) Cernan salutes the flag at Apollo 17 landing site 3) Crew photo for Third Space Shuttle Orbital Test (STS-3) 4) Skylab 3 pilot Lousma flies the M509 experiment 5) Flight deck of the Space Shuttle Columbia 6) Apollo-Soyuz Symbolic Flight Activities 7) Apollo 11 astronaut prepares to step onto the moon. 8) Space shuttle orbiter carrying Spacelab 9) Apollo 16 lift-off 10) Nighttime launch of Apollo 17 11) Crew photo of the Fourth Space Shuttle Orbital Test (STS-4) NASA Educational Pieces - (most of these are booklets and pamphlets on various space science topics) 1) NASA Publications Catalogue April 1982 2) NASA Films Catalogue January 1982 3) NASA Aerospace Education Unit 4) NASA Educational Brief - Second Flight of the Shuttle 1982 5) NASA Educational Brief - April 1981 6) NASA Educational Brief - July 1981 7) NASA Educational Brief - May 1981 8) NASA Educational Brief - March 1981 9) NASA Johnson Space Center Film Catalogue - October 1981 10) NASA Facts - Skylab 1973/1974 11) NASA Facts - Earth Resources 12) NASA Facts - Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center 13) NASA Facts - The Next Step, Large Space Structures 14) NASA Facts - Space Benefits 15) NASA Facts - Saturn V 16) NASA Facts - Astronaut Selection and Training 17) NASA Facts - A Wardrobe for Space 18) NASA Facts - Manned Space Flight - The First Decade 19) NASA Facts - Food for Space Flight Thanks for looking! MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Smithsonian discusses the rare, recent Lorton Meteorite
Lorton at the Smithsonian? Greg S. http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2010/042010/04022010/536642 Smithsonian discusses the rare, recent Lorton Meteorite Date published: 4/2/2010 ON Jan. 18, 2010, a very rare astronomical event occurred in our area as a meteorite crashed through the roof of a medical office building on Richmond Highway in Lorton. This meteorite, before it ended its journey in Northern Virginia after traversing outer space for billions of years, was seen streaking across the sky by people along the eastern seaboard as they made their way home from work that evening. The meteorite, which eventually landed in an examining room at 5:45 p.m. when the medical building was still occupied, was about the size of a fist and weighed about two-thirds of a pound. It was a stone chondrite, the most common type of meteorite, and had a black fusion crust on the outside from heating as it entered Earth's atmosphere. But, contrary to popular thought, a meteorite is not hot or on fire when it finally reaches Earth's surface. The meteorite is estimated to have been traveling at more than 200 mph when it crashed through the roof of the building. According to the Smithsonian Institution, it was the first known meteorite fall in Virginia since 1924, and the fourth known fall recorded in the state overall. The Lorton Meteorite, as it has become known, was sent to the Smithsonian for identification with the intent to donate. However, there is a pending legal issue between the medical building landlords and the doctors who rent the building space regarding ownership of the meteorite. A market exists for meteorites, especially ones like the Lorton Meteorite that are seen by many people as they fall to Earth. Meteorite hunters examined the area near the medical building in Lorton days after the fall in hopes they would find more pieces of this meteorite. If more pieces of this meteorite are found, a big payday could occur for the lucky meteorite hunters. For now, the Lorton Meteorite remains at the Smithsonian, with the intent to put it on public display once the legal issues are resolved. If you think you've found a meteorite, there are some tests you can conduct on the object, according to the Smithsonian's Mineral Sciences Division. Meteorites usually have a black fusion crust and a smooth surface from atmospheric heating. They do not look like local rocks and usually are without holes or pits. They are heavy, solid objects that will attract a magnet. Even if your object passes these tests, it does not mean you've found a meteorite. The Smithsonian in Washington will test samples to determine whether the object is an actual meteorite. What you hold in your hand could be a rock from outer space! _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] anyone in CO check out the rock that fell from the sky with a woosh?
Just watched the video on MSN and wondered if anyone in CO has checked this out. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=36147346#36147346 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] anyone in CO check out the rock that fell from thesky with a woosh?
I can tell by the image in the story it isn't a meteorite. Matt --Original Message-- From: ma...@imagineopals.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ReplyTo: ma...@imagineopals.com Subject: [meteorite-list] anyone in CO check out the rock that fell from thesky with a woosh? Sent: Apr 2, 2010 2:45 PM Just watched the video on MSN and wondered if anyone in CO has checked this out. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=36147346#36147346 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Smithsonian discusses the rare, recent Lorton Meteorite
If more pieces of this meteorite are found, a big payday could occur for the lucky meteorite hunters. For now, the Lorton Meteorite remains at the Smithsonian, with the intent to put it on public display once the legal issues are resolved. It sounds to me that the Smithsonian already knows how the legal issues are gonna turn out in the end. :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] mini microscope (was Re: AD:Almahata Sitta 2008 TC3 for sale on eBay)
FWIW, my 7 buck microscope arrived today. I don't know if it is really 60x magnification, but it works well. Image in the center of the feild is sharp (though it does lose focus around the edges.) The two color and 1 UV LEDs work. Nice purchase for the price. On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:24:50 -0500, you wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Carl I swear by this product because I own one that its the best for its price and size to view micros to surface textures of your meteorite... http://cgi.ebay.com/BUG-MASTER-MICRO-MICROSCOPE-JEWELERS-LOUPE-60-X-MAG_W0QQitemZ280481288781QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN?hash=item414dfcd24d Nice! I just ordered one for $6.99 shipped: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260573896084 Might be junk, but I'm willing to risk 7 bucks. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Impact fatalitites
Hi all - The latest official estimate from NASA: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=asteroid-impact-climate-change Actually, at current population loads, if the recent comet flux holds, you end up with 1 death every 90 seconds. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: March 29 - April 2, 2010
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES March 29 - April 2, 2010 o Ceranus Tholus (29 March 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100329a o Coprates Catena (30 March 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100330a o Tithonium Chasma (31 March 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100331a o Aurorae Chaos (01 April 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100401a o Bahram Vallis (02 April 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100402a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update: March 23 - April 1, 2010
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit in Hibernation - sols 2211-2218, March 23-30, 2010: The scheduled downlink from Spirit on Sol 2218 (March 30, 2010), via Ultra-High Frequency (UHF) relay through the Odyssey orbiter was not received. Odyssey reported nominal operations for their orbiter, but there was no received Spirit telemetry and no evidence of a UHF signal from the surface of Mars at Gusev crater. The team was anticipating Spirit to experience a low-power fault about this time. So, the most likely explanation for the missing downlink is that Spirit did go into that low-power fault taking her batteries off-line, sometime between the last downlink on Sol 2210 (March 22, 2010), and Sol 2218 (March 30, 2010). With a low-power fault, Spirit is in a deep sleep with all loads turned off (no communication) and only the master clock being powered. The clock will stir Spirit on regular intervals to see if the batteries have recharged enough to wake up. If not, Spirit will remain deeply sleeping with the solar arrays trying to charge the rover batteries. The project had already begun listening for the possible X-band fault [communication] windows associated with the low-power fault. No X-band fault window has been detected, yet. The Deep Space Network radio science receiver (RSR) is being used to search for any X-band signal from Spirit. The rover will also experience an Uploss timer fault, since the rover would not be awake for us to reset that timer with a ground command. When the Uploss timer does expire, Spirit will also be responsive to UHF relay passes. However, Spirit will only respond with an X-band fault window or a UHF relay pass, if her batteries have recharged sufficiently. The team does not expect a response from Spirit for some time, but will listen every day. Total odometry is unchanged at 7,730.50 meters (4.80 miles). OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity Drives By Twin Craters - sols 2192-2199, March 25 - April 01, 2010: Opportunity has been driving, making good progress toward Endeavour crater. The rover has had to pause between drives to recharge her batteries because of the diminishing sunlight during the advance into winter. On Sol 2193 (March 26, 2010), Opportunity drove about 68 meters (223 feet) towards a pair of highly eroded craters. On the next sol, the rover performed a drive-by imaging of the twin craters, covering about 55 meters (180 feet). Further driving next to the twin craters was performed on Sol 2197 (March 30, 2010), getting a good look inside, with the rover covering about 30 meters (98 feet) of distance. On Sol 2199 (April 1, 2010), Opportunity left the area of the twin craters with a 50-meter (164-foot) drive and resumed her push toward Endeavour, still many kilometers away. Opportunity will rest from driving on Sol 2200 (April 2, 2010) to recharge her batteries. As of Sol 2199 (April 1, 2010), the solar array energy production was 238 watt-hours with an atmospheric opacity (tau) of 0.371 and a dust factor of 0.501. Total odometry is 20,245.20 meters (20.25 kilometers, or 12.58 miles). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hibben and YD impacts
Hi all - I was wondering if anyone here would like to apologize to Frank Hibben: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100331/full/464657a.htmlp or to Dr. Firestone. By the way, the blueberries on Mars are impact vapor condensates, not water condensates. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hibben and YD impacts
Also, read this. Bill Napier is on the case. Jay Tate The Spaceguard Centre Was a giant comet responsible for a North American catastrophe in 11,000 BC? Royal Astronomical Society Press Release RAS PN 10/17 1st April 2010 For immediate release Was a giant comet responsible for a North American catastrophe in 11,000 BC? (RAS PN 10/17)* * 13,000 years ago the Earth was struck by thousands of Tunguska-sized cometary fragments over the course of an hour, leading to a dramatic cooling of the planet, according to astronomer Professor Bill Napier of the Cardiff University Astrobiology Centre. He presents his new model in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. The cooling, by as much as 8°C, interrupted the warming which was occurring at the end of the last ice age and caused glaciers to readvance. Evidence has been found that this catastrophic change was associated with some extraordinary extraterrestrial event. The boundary is marked by the occurrence of a black mat layer a few centimetres thick found at many sites throughout the United States containing high levels of soot indicative of continental-scale wildfires, as well as microscopic hexagonal diamonds (nanodiamonds) which are produced by shocks and are only found in meteorites or impact craters. These findings led to the suggestion that the catastrophic changes of that time were caused by the impact of an asteroid or comet 4 km across on the Laurentide ice sheet, which at that time covered what would become Canada and the northern part of the United States. The cooling lasted over a thousand years, and its onset coincides with the rapid extinction of 35 genera of North American mammals, as well as the disruption of the Palaeoindian culture. The chief objection to the idea of a big impact is that the odds against the Earth being struck by an asteroid this large only 13,000 years ago are a thousand to one against. And the heat generated by the rising fireball would be limited by the curvature of the horizon and could not explain the continent-wide occurrence of wildfires. Professor Napier has now come up with an astronomical model which accounts for the major features of the catastrophe without involving such an improbable event. According to his model, the Earth ran into a dense trail of material from a large disintegrating comet. He points out that there is compelling evidence that such a comet entered the inner planetary system between 20 000 and 30 000 years ago and has been fragmenting ever since, giving rise to a number of closely related meteor streams and comoving asteroids known as the Taurid Complex. In the course of the giant comet's disintegration, the environment of the interplanetary system would have been hazardous and the Earth would probably have run through at least one dense swarm of cometary material. The new model indicates that such an encounter would last for about an hour during which thousands of impacts would take place over continental dimensions, each releasing the energy of a megaton-class nuclear bomb, generating the extensive wildfires which took place at that time. The nanodiamonds at the extinction boundary would then be explained as having come in with the comet swarm. One recent meteorite is known which may have come from this giant comet progenitor: the Tagish Lake meteorite, which fell over Yukon Territory in January 2000. It has the highest abundance of nanodiamonds of any meteorite so far analysed. Professor Napier sums up his model: A large comet has been disintegrating in the near-Earth environment for the past 20,000 to 30,000 years, and running into thousands of fragments from this comet is a much more likely event than a single large collision. It gives a convincing match to the major geophysical features at this boundary. CONTACTS Professor Bill Napier Cardiff University Mob: +353 (0)86 304 2636 E-mail: sma...@cf.ac.uk mailto:sma...@cf.ac.uk Dr Robert Massey RAS Press and Policy Officer Tel: +44 (0)20 7734 3307 Mob: +44 (0)794 124 8035 E-mail: r...@ras.org.uk mailto:r...@ras.org.uk FURTHER INFORMATION The paper will appear in journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. A preprint can be seen at http://arxiv.org/abs/1003.0744 E.P. Grondine wrote: Hi all - I was wondering if anyone here would like to apologize to Frank Hibben: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100331/full/464657a.htmlp or to Dr. Firestone. By the way, the blueberries on Mars are impact vapor condensates, not water condensates. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] Hibben and YD impacts
Dear Ed and List, Respectfully, pseudo-science does not gain the respect of an apology. The formation of a black mat has not be proven to be from a single event and the evidence is still greatly lacking for their hypothesis to become science fact. Bedtime story reading is just that, perhaps fanciful and exciting, but not science. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo Also your statement that blueberries are related to impact vapor condensates, not water condensates is lacking merit of proof. --- On Sat, 4/3/10, E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com wrote: From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Hibben and YD impacts To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:34 AM Hi all - I was wondering if anyone here would like to apologize to Frank Hibben: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100331/full/464657a.htmlp or to Dr. Firestone. By the way, the blueberries on Mars are impact vapor condensates, not water condensates. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hibben and YD impacts
Dirk, E.P., List You cannot answer all questions about a planet by just looking at it with a robot, and this is one of the questions still open. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_spherules The shapes by themselves don't reveal the particles' origin with certainty. A number of straightforward geological processes can yield round shapes, said Dr. Hap McSween, an Opportunity science team member from the University of Tennessee, Knoxville. They include accretion under water, but apparent pores in the particles make alternative possibilities of meteor impacts or volcanic eruptions more likely origins, he said. On the other hand... On March 2, Opportunity mission scientists reported that they concluded a survey of the distribution of spherules in the bedrock. They found that the spherules spread out evenly and randomly inside the rocks, and not in layers. This supports the notion that they grew in place, since if their origin was related to volcanic or meteoric episodes one would expect layers of spherules as a record in time for each event. This observation was added to the list of evidence for liquid water being present at this rock site, where it is thought the spherules formed. Some recent papers on the spherules, one pro, one con, one going somewhere else: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2005/pdf/2026.pdf http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2007/pdf/1922.pdf http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2007/pdf/2053.pdf The answer? Get geologists on the ground where they work best, rock hammer in hand, lab handy. Get them each a thermos of hot coffee; it's cold there. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com To: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hibben and YD impacts Dear Ed and List, Respectfully, pseudo-science does not gain the respect of an apology. The formation of a black mat has not be proven to be from a single event and the evidence is still greatly lacking for their hypothesis to become science fact. Bedtime story reading is just that, perhaps fanciful and exciting, but not science. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo Also your statement that blueberries are related to impact vapor condensates, not water condensates is lacking merit of proof. --- On Sat, 4/3/10, E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com wrote: From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Hibben and YD impacts To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:34 AM Hi all - I was wondering if anyone here would like to apologize to Frank Hibben: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100331/full/464657a.htmlp or to Dr. Firestone. By the way, the blueberries on Mars are impact vapor condensates, not water condensates. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
