[meteorite-list] Dennis Cox confers on phone with William H Napier re obvious Google Earth evidence for 13 Ka BP vertical ablation from multiple airburst barrage high pressure plasmas: Rich Murray 201
Dennis Cox confers on phone with William M Napier re obvious Google Earth evidence for widespread 13 Ka BP vertical ablation from multiple airburst barrage high pressure plasmas: Rich Murray 2010.05.23 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010_05_01_archive.htm Sunday, May 23, 2010 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/50 ___ Of course, it's natural to treat such an extreme, vivid hypothesis with skepticism. But note that everyone can use Google Earth to examine the gross features of their own region with a entirely new framework in mind, both with Google Earth and Maps, and with direct on the ground visits. So, see for yourself, and share it -- that's science. http://craterhunter.wordpress.com/a-different-kind-of-catastrophe-2/ the overall scenario 2010.03.16 http://craterhunter.wordpress.com/the-planetary-scaring-of-the-younger-dryas-impact-event/ an earlier vision 2010.12.28 http://craterhunter.wordpress.com/the-planetary-scaring-of-the-younger-dryas-impact-event/california-melt/#comment-41 detailed views of three small mountains in Fresno, California -- samples available 2010.03.16 36.4527 -119.1506, size 6.0 x 2.7 km, .489 km top, road, shed and pond, wide view to NNE of NW side of Fresno, CA mountain uphill ablation flows, 30 m wide canal on NW side, road on W side of canal is el .129 km, so top is .360 km higher. Mountain is S of road 201, W of road 245, N and W of road 216. 36.695711 -119.421382 Campbell Mountain .534 km top, and the mountain to its N, 36.735963 -119.408041 .643 km top, 36.582126 -119.346423 .311 km top In New Mexico, I have visited Laguna del Perro, just SE of Estancia, over the Manzano Mountains to the SE of Albuquerque. Cox comments: - Original Message - From: Dennis Cox To: Rich Murray Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:10 PM Subject: Re: closeup view, Laguna del Perro, 37 m deep crater to S: Cox: Murray 2010.05.16 That whole region is interesting. Those are definitely impact structures of a good sized cluster of fragments. As the ejecta is unmistakable. Our comet was the Taurid progenitor. Before its breakup, it is estimated to have been between 50 and 100 km in diameter. The fragments hit as multiple, high velocity, streams and clusters of fragments, ranging in size from dust particles up to a half mile or more. And the Earth was in the path of the streams of comet fragments for about an hour. Only the first of the fragments hit cold atmosphere. The rest fell into already superheated impact plasma, and just cranked up the heat, and pressure. New Mexico got hit by some of the worst of it. And anywhere you find recognizable impact structures, they will be the marks of the last fragments to fall in any given area. For the most part, the marks of the first fragments were obliterated by the ones that followed. But the blast effected materials of the thousands of impact structures we see in New Mexico make perfect sense when we realize the conditions at the time of impact. And the fact that they are all part of the same impact event. Dennis From: Rich Murray Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:55 PM To: Dennis Cox ; Rich Murray ; rmfor...@comcast.net Subject: Fw: closeup view, Laguna del Perro, 37 m deep crater to S: Cox: Murray 2010.05.16 closeup view, Laguna del Perro, 34.574648 -105.956519 1.877 km high point, crater to S 1.840 km low (37 m deep), with Route 60 and the main railroad. Dennis Cox, amateur extraordinaire, with 6 views given via Google Earth by Rich Murray of 360 m high mountain E of Fresno, CA, with uphill and then downhill ejecta melt flows -- informative book with 92 color images: 2010.03.25 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.htm Thursday, March 25, 2010 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/45 ground views of over 100 .1-.5 km shallow (ice comet fragment bursts) craters, Bajada del Diablo, Argentina (.78-.13 Ma BP) [42.87 S 67.47 W] Rogelio D Acevedo et al, Geomorphology 2009 Sept: Rich Murray 2010.03.28 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.htm Saturday, March 27, 2010 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/47 ___ Rich Murray, MA Boston University Graduate School 1967 psychology, BS MIT 1964, history and physics, 1943 Otowi Road, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505 505-501-2298 rmfor...@comcast.net http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AstroDeep/messages http://RMForAll.blogspot.com new primary archive [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/messages group with 147 members, 1,601 posts in a public archive http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rmforall/messages participant, Santa Fe Complex www.sfcomplex.org ___ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Met
Re: [meteorite-list] Don't skip looking at this!
On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:05:11 +1000, you wrote: >Thanks for sharing that Darren. I took a look at the main image. There are >many such 'moving boulders' visible across it with many much longer than the >one mentioned in the blog. Some are even large arcs. Fascinating stuff. > >http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse/view/M122597190LE > I see what you mean. I downloaded the full-resolution TIF (5064x29696, 143 MB) and found this one (contrast adjusted to make it stand out more) http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/220/curverock.jpg __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered from South Carolina
Video here: http://www2.counton2.com/cbd/news/local/article/space_debris_that_washed_up_on_hilton_head_could_be_european_rocket/140457/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered from South Carolina
All true Rob. but arguing against 6 months in the ocean is the apparent lack of sea life colonizing the fairing. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Matson, Robert D. wrote: > From: Matson, Robert D. > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered from South > Carolina > To: "Stuart McDaniel - Action Shooting Supply" > > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 6:48 PM > Hi Stuart, > > I definitely agree with you that the South Carolina debris > is > the inside of a launch fairing. But I've read that the SC > debris had French writing on it, which may rule out being > associated with the X-37B. Don't know -- space hardware is > made by lots of folks, so it doesn't necessarily have to > be > from a French launch. > > My favorite candidate is the launch fairing that protected > the > Helios IIB spysat launched December 18, 2009. (The Ariane > launch > prior to that was on October 29, 2009, but it was a > commercial > comsat launch, so it would have jettisoned the fairing > close to > the equator. Currents there tend not to take things to the > East > Coast, but instead down into the South Atlantic.) There is > just > about the right amount of time between a mid-December > Kourou > launch and when the fairing dumped into the Atlantic could > make > landfall on the east coast. > > That said, if the X-37B used a French- or Swiss-made > fairing, > then it would spend far less time in the Atlantic following > a > Cape launch before making landfall. Which means an > April Cape > launch would ALSO be the right amount of lag time for May > landfall. > > --Rob > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Don't skip looking at this!
Thanks for sharing that Darren. I took a look at the main image. There are many such 'moving boulders' visible across it with many much longer than the one mentioned in the blog. Some are even large arcs. Fascinating stuff. http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse/view/M122597190LE Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "MEM" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't skip looking at this! I had the opportunity to discuss this with Apollo 16 Astronaut Charlie Dukes, once upon a time: finding a "meteorite" trail on the lunar surface with a prize at rest at the end of the track. He said they saw some dashed tracks clearly indicating something had skipped along the ground. There were tracks but, they did not see what made them. Before I better understood the big picture dynamics, I had wondered if an extremely low-angle, "glancing" encounter might allow a meteorite to brush the ground and go bouncing down the "fairway" a la Al Shepard(Apollo 14). And if so would there be a track to follow. We know now it is pretty much impossible for that scenario but seems we have good photographic evidence what types of lunar objects can. Skipping back to you DG... Elton - Original Message From: Darren Garrison To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 12:37:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Don't skip looking at this! http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/05/24/lunar-boulder-hits-a-hole-in-one/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered from South Carolina
Hi Stuart, I definitely agree with you that the South Carolina debris is the inside of a launch fairing. But I've read that the SC debris had French writing on it, which may rule out being associated with the X-37B. Don't know -- space hardware is made by lots of folks, so it doesn't necessarily have to be from a French launch. My favorite candidate is the launch fairing that protected the Helios IIB spysat launched December 18, 2009. (The Ariane launch prior to that was on October 29, 2009, but it was a commercial comsat launch, so it would have jettisoned the fairing close to the equator. Currents there tend not to take things to the East Coast, but instead down into the South Atlantic.) There is just about the right amount of time between a mid-December Kourou launch and when the fairing dumped into the Atlantic could make landfall on the east coast. That said, if the X-37B used a French- or Swiss-made fairing, then it would spend far less time in the Atlantic following a Cape launch before making landfall. Which means an April Cape launch would ALSO be the right amount of lag time for May landfall. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Damn! I shoulda gone beach combing!
--- On Mon, 5/24/10, Stuart McDaniel - Action Shooting Supply wrote: > Strange thing about it I noticed. There is no burn marks > from reentry!!! Shouldn't there be??? > > > Stuart McDaniel > Lawndale, NC > Secr., CCAS You have to leave the atmosphere to reenter it. The fairings are ejected after maximum aerodynamic pressures, but long before the launcher departs the atmosphere, to reduce the weight. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered fromSouthCarolina
So it could still be from either launch, but considering how much further east and south the Ariane launch site is from the Carolina coast, I'd suspect it coming from the Cape is much more likely. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Mike Bandli wrote: > Hello Stuart: > > The payload fairing (piece that washed up on the beach) for > the Ariane 5 is > produced by the same Swiss company that made the payload > fairing for the > Atlas V 501 launch vehicle, which carried the X-37b. This > explains the > similar appearance. > > Cheers! > > -- > Mike Bandli > Historic Meteorites > www.HistoricMeteorites.com > IMCA #5765 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered fromSouthCarolina
Hello Stuart: The payload fairing (piece that washed up on the beach) for the Ariane 5 is produced by the same Swiss company that made the payload fairing for the Atlas V 501 launch vehicle, which carried the X-37b. This explains the similar appearance. Cheers! -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McDaniel - Action Shooting Supply Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:00 PM To: Matson, Robert D.; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered fromSouthCarolina OK guys I might be onto something here..look at this picture of the super secret X-37B that was launched at KSC in April http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=x37b-sh roud-100421-02.jpg&cap=The+U.S.+Air+Force%27s+X-37B+Orbital+Test+Vehicle+is+ shown+inside+its+payload+fairing+during+encapsulation+at+the+Astrotech+facil ity+in+Titusville%2C+Fla.%2C+ahead+of+a+planned+April+2010+launch+from+Cape+ Canaveral+Air+Force+Station+in+Florida.+Credit%3A+USAF Panels inside look JUST LIKE the debris that washed up. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/x-37b-space-plane-orbital-spy-100519 .html http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20100524/sc_space/secretx37bspaceplanespottedb yamateurskywatchers What do ya think??? Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., CCAS - Original Message - From: "Matson, Robert D." To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered from SouthCarolina > Darren posted: > >> Washed up on a South Carolina beach (I'm in SC) > >> http://www.wmbfnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=12534303 > >> The next trick would have been driving around 250 miles home >> with that strapped to the roof... > > Worth a pretty penny to space debris collectors, to be sure. > > However, the conjecture at the end of the article can be easily > dismissed: > > "According to the BBC, an Ariane 5 rocket launched from French Guiana > in northern South America just three days ago. No word yet on if the > debris came from that rocket." > > It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to rule this out. Sure, > the Ariane 5 launch was May 21 and the debris washed ashore on > May 22. However, this was an eastern launch out of Kourou since > they were going to geosynchronous orbit. Kind of hard to get a > booster section from equatorial waters to the beaches of South > Carolina in 24 hours. This had to have come from an older launch -- > *assuming* it's space launch debris. > > The most recent Kourou launch prior to last Friday was Helios IIB > on an Ariane 5GS on December 18th. Unlike the May 24th launch, this > is a possible candidate for two reasons: (1) it allows sufficient > time for SRB debris to drift to the U.S. East Coast, and (2) the > Helios launch went into sunsynchronous (polar) orbit, which means > it launched north out of French Guiana. Unlike the solids on the > U.S. Space Shuttle, the Ariane 5 SRB's are not reusable and are > usually allowed to sink to the bottom of the ocean. Occasionally > they will be fitted with parachutes and recovered for diagnostic > purposes. (I don't happen to know if they attempted this on the > Helios IIB launch or not.) --Rob > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered from SouthCarolina
Seems a reasonable match to the internal structure of the fairing, especially considering it was launched at an inclination of about 33 degrees on its way to an orbit with a 40 degree inclination. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Stuart McDaniel - Action Shooting Supply wrote: > From: Stuart McDaniel - Action Shooting Supply > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered from > SouthCarolina > To: "Matson, Robert D." , > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 5:59 PM > OK guys I might be onto something > here..look at this picture of > the super secret X-37B that was launched at KSC in > April > http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=x37b-shroud-100421-02.jpg∩=The+U.S.+Air+Force%27s+X-37B+Orbital+Test+Vehicle+is+shown+inside+its+payload+fairing+during+encapsulation+at+the+Astrotech+facility+in+Titusville%2C+Fla.%2C+ahead+of+a+planned+April+2010+launch+from+Cape+Canaveral+Air+Force+Station+in+Florida.+Credit%3A+USAF > > Panels inside look JUST LIKE the debris that washed up. > > http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/x-37b-space-plane-orbital-spy-100519.html > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20100524/sc_space/secretx37bspaceplanespottedbyamateurskywatchers > > > What do ya think??? > > > > Stuart McDaniel > Lawndale, NC > Secr., CCAS > - Original Message - > From: "Matson, Robert D." > To: > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:20 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris > recovered from > SouthCarolina > > > > Darren posted: > > > >> Washed up on a South Carolina beach (I'm in SC) > > > >> http://www.wmbfnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=12534303 > > > >> The next trick would have been driving around 250 > miles home > >> with that strapped to the roof... > > > > Worth a pretty penny to space debris collectors, to be > sure. > > > > However, the conjecture at the end of the article can > be easily > > dismissed: > > > > "According to the BBC, an Ariane 5 rocket launched > from French Guiana > > in northern South America just three days ago. No word > yet on if the > > debris came from that rocket." > > > > It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to rule this > out. Sure, > > the Ariane 5 launch was May 21 and the debris washed > ashore on > > May 22. However, this was an eastern launch out of > Kourou since > > they were going to geosynchronous orbit. Kind of hard > to get a > > booster section from equatorial waters to the beaches > of South > > Carolina in 24 hours. This had to have come from an > older launch -- > > *assuming* it's space launch debris. > > > > The most recent Kourou launch prior to last Friday was > Helios IIB > > on an Ariane 5GS on December 18th. Unlike the May 24th > launch, this > > is a possible candidate for two reasons: (1) it allows > sufficient > > time for SRB debris to drift to the U.S. East Coast, > and (2) the > > Helios launch went into sunsynchronous (polar) orbit, > which means > > it launched north out of French Guiana. Unlike the > solids on the > > U.S. Space Shuttle, the Ariane 5 SRB's are not > reusable and are > > usually allowed to sink to the bottom of the ocean. > Occasionally > > they will be fitted with parachutes and recovered for > diagnostic > > purposes. (I don't happen to know if they attempted > this on the > > Helios IIB launch or not.) --Rob > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions of thesesamples please
Hi Greg, Interesting stones. At first glance, my thoughts were - the first one looks like a terrestrial breccia, or a lunar. There is also a stone that looks a little like a brachinite and another that reminds me of a ureilite or carbonaceous type. How do these samples react to a magnet, streak test, etc? Best regards, MikeG On 5/24/10, Greg Catterton wrote: > Looking for thoughts on a few meteorites from Morocco. > I am having thin sections made and may be in need of someone with a micro > probe for more testing once SEM data is gathered. > These photos do not show the full features, some are basalts without a > doubt. > > Stone #1 > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4855.jpg > > Stone #2 > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4848.jpg > > Stone #3 > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4839.jpg > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4848.jpg > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4841.jpg > > Stone #4 > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4816.jpg > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4818.jpg > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4821.jpg > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4823.jpg > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4812.jpg > > Stone #5 > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4827.jpg > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4829.jpg > > Thanks in advance, Looking forward to some of the replies. > > > Greg Catterton > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com > IMCA member 4682 > On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites > > > --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Warren Sansoucie wrote: > >> From: Warren Sansoucie >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at this! >> To: damoc...@yahoo.com, "METEORITE LIST" >> >> Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 6:49 PM >> >> Thanks for posting this one! Great fun. I got stuck for an >> hour looking over the whole thing. >> >> Amazing if you look around you will find a ton of rocks >> bigger than the one featured that have rolled very long >> distances. Real neat. >> >> Warren Sansoucie >> >> >> >> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:46:19 -0700 >> > From: damoc...@yahoo.com >> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at >> this! >> > >> > Personally I find the sorting of the debris at the >> bottom of the slope a much more interesting process than a >> boulder rolling down slope ending up in a ubiquitous >> crater. >> > >> > -- >> > Richard Kowalski >> > Full Moon Photography >> > IMCA #1081 >> > >> > >> > --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Darren Garrison wrote: >> > >> >> From: Darren Garrison >> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at >> this! >> >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> >> Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 9:37 AM >> >> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/05/24/lunar-boulder-hits-a-hole-in-one/ >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at >> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > __ >> > Visit the Archives at >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered from SouthCarolina
OK guys I might be onto something here..look at this picture of the super secret X-37B that was launched at KSC in April http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=x37b-shroud-100421-02.jpg&cap=The+U.S.+Air+Force%27s+X-37B+Orbital+Test+Vehicle+is+shown+inside+its+payload+fairing+during+encapsulation+at+the+Astrotech+facility+in+Titusville%2C+Fla.%2C+ahead+of+a+planned+April+2010+launch+from+Cape+Canaveral+Air+Force+Station+in+Florida.+Credit%3A+USAF Panels inside look JUST LIKE the debris that washed up. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/x-37b-space-plane-orbital-spy-100519.html http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20100524/sc_space/secretx37bspaceplanespottedbyamateurskywatchers What do ya think??? Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., CCAS - Original Message - From: "Matson, Robert D." To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered from SouthCarolina Darren posted: Washed up on a South Carolina beach (I'm in SC) http://www.wmbfnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=12534303 The next trick would have been driving around 250 miles home with that strapped to the roof... Worth a pretty penny to space debris collectors, to be sure. However, the conjecture at the end of the article can be easily dismissed: "According to the BBC, an Ariane 5 rocket launched from French Guiana in northern South America just three days ago. No word yet on if the debris came from that rocket." It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to rule this out. Sure, the Ariane 5 launch was May 21 and the debris washed ashore on May 22. However, this was an eastern launch out of Kourou since they were going to geosynchronous orbit. Kind of hard to get a booster section from equatorial waters to the beaches of South Carolina in 24 hours. This had to have come from an older launch -- *assuming* it's space launch debris. The most recent Kourou launch prior to last Friday was Helios IIB on an Ariane 5GS on December 18th. Unlike the May 24th launch, this is a possible candidate for two reasons: (1) it allows sufficient time for SRB debris to drift to the U.S. East Coast, and (2) the Helios launch went into sunsynchronous (polar) orbit, which means it launched north out of French Guiana. Unlike the solids on the U.S. Space Shuttle, the Ariane 5 SRB's are not reusable and are usually allowed to sink to the bottom of the ocean. Occasionally they will be fitted with parachutes and recovered for diagnostic purposes. (I don't happen to know if they attempted this on the Helios IIB launch or not.) --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Opinions of thesesamples please
Looking for thoughts on a few meteorites from Morocco. I am having thin sections made and may be in need of someone with a micro probe for more testing once SEM data is gathered. These photos do not show the full features, some are basalts without a doubt. Stone #1 http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4855.jpg Stone #2 http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4848.jpg Stone #3 http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4839.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4848.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4841.jpg Stone #4 http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4816.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4818.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4821.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4823.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4812.jpg Stone #5 http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4827.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4829.jpg Thanks in advance, Looking forward to some of the replies. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Warren Sansoucie wrote: > From: Warren Sansoucie > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at this! > To: damoc...@yahoo.com, "METEORITE LIST" > Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 6:49 PM > > Thanks for posting this one! Great fun. I got stuck for an > hour looking over the whole thing. > > Amazing if you look around you will find a ton of rocks > bigger than the one featured that have rolled very long > distances. Real neat. > > Warren Sansoucie > > > > > Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:46:19 -0700 > > From: damoc...@yahoo.com > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at > this! > > > > Personally I find the sorting of the debris at the > bottom of the slope a much more interesting process than a > boulder rolling down slope ending up in a ubiquitous > crater. > > > > -- > > Richard Kowalski > > Full Moon Photography > > IMCA #1081 > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Darren Garrison wrote: > > > >> From: Darren Garrison > >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at > this! > >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 9:37 AM > >> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/05/24/lunar-boulder-hits-a-hole-in-one/ > >> __ > >> Visit the Archives at > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) BACK IN THE SADDLE... A LITTLE BIT. NEW ITEMS ADDED TO MY STORE-PLUS A SMALL SALE
> Hello, > Go to my ebay store and see some of the new items I put up. I also have a > small sale running. Like I said two months ago... more field time and less > ebay stuff for awhile. Take advantage of the sale... > SEE ALL ITEMS ON SALE IN MY STORE! > http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history > Thanks and Best Wishes > Michael Cottingham > _ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WISE Makes Progress on its Space Rock Catalog
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-176 WISE Makes Progress on its Space Rock Catalog Jet Propulsion Laboratory May 24, 2010 NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer, or WISE, is busy surveying the landscape of the infrared sky, building up a catalog of cosmic specimens -- everything from distant galaxies to "failed" stars, called brown dwarfs. Closer to home, the mission is picking out an impressive collection of asteroids and comets, some known and some never seen before. Most of these hang out in the Main Belt between Mars and Jupiter, but a small number are near-Earth objects -- asteroids and comets with orbits that pass within about 48 million kilometers (30 million miles) of Earth's orbit. By studying a small sample of near-Earth objects, WISE will learn more about the population as a whole. How do their sizes differ, and how many objects are dark versus light? "We are taking a census of a small sample of near-Earth objects to get a better idea of how they vary," said Amy Mainzer, the principal investigator of NEOWISE, a program to catalog asteroids seen with WISE. So far, the mission has observed more than 60,000 asteroids, both Main Belt and near-Earth objects. Most were known before, but more than 11,000 are new. "Our data pipeline is bursting with asteroids," said WISE Principal Investigator Ned Wright of UCLA. "We are discovering about a hundred a day, mostly in the Main Belt." About 190 near-Earth asteroids have been observed to date, of which more than 50 are new discoveries. All asteroid observations are reported to the NASA-funded International Astronomical Union's Minor Planet Center, a clearinghouse for data on all solar system bodies at the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory in Cambridge, Mass. "It's a really exciting time for asteroid science," said Tim Spahr, who directs the Minor Planet Center. "WISE is another tool to add to our tool belt of instruments to discover and study the asteroid population." A network of ground-based telescopes follows up and confirms the WISE finds, including the NASA-funded University of Arizona Spacewatch and Catalina Sky Survey projects, both near Tucson, Ariz., and the NASA-funded Magdalena Ridge Observatory near Socorro, N.M. Some of the near-Earth asteroids detected so far are visibly dark, but it's too early to say what percentage. The team needs time to properly analyze and calibrate the data. When results are ready, they will be published in a peer-reviewed journal. WISE has not found an asteroid yet that would be too dark for detection by visible-light telescopes on the ground. "We're beginning the process of sorting through all the objects we're finding so we can learn more about their properties," said Mainzer. "How many are big or small, or light versus dark?" WISE will also study Trojans, asteroids that run along with Jupiter in its orbit around the sun and travel in two packs -- one in front of and one behind the gas giant. It has seen more than 800, and by the end of the mission, should have observed about half of all 4,500 known Trojans. The results will address dueling theories about how the outer planets evolved. With its infrared vision, WISE is good at many aspects of asteroid watching. First, infrared light gives a better estimate of an asteroid's size. Imagine a light, shiny rock lying next to a bigger, dark one in the sunshine. From far away, the rocks might look about the same size. That's because they reflect about the same amount of visible sunlight. But, if you pointed an infrared camera at them, you could tell the dark one is bigger. Infrared light is related to the heat radiated from the rock itself, which, in turn, is related to its size. A second benefit of infrared is the ability to see darker asteroids. Some asteroids are blacker than coal and barely reflect any visible light. WISE can see their infrared glow. The mission isn't necessarily hunting down dark asteroids in hiding, but collecting a sample of all different types. Like a geologist collecting everything from pumice to quartz, WISE is capturing the diversity of cosmic rocks in our solar neighborhood. In the end, WISE will provide rough size and composition profiles for hundreds of near-Earth objects, about 100 to 200 of which will be new. WISE has also bagged about a dozen new comets to date. The icy cousins to asteroids are easy for the telescope to spot because, as the comets are warmed by the sun, gas and dust particles blow off and glow with infrared light. Many of the comets found by WISE so far are so-called long-period comets, meaning they spend billions of years circling the sun in the frigid hinterlands of our solar system, before they are shuttled into the inner, warmer parts. Others are termed short-period comets -- they spend most of their lives hanging around the space near Jupiter, occasionally veering into the space closer to the terrestrial planets. WISE's measurements of these snowy dirtballs will allow scienti
Re: [meteorite-list] Damn! I shoulda gone beach combing!
I saw that on the news tonight. That is exactly where we stayed a couple years ago, Palmetto Dunes, Hilton Head, SC. Strange thing about it I noticed. There is no burn marks from reentry!!! Shouldn't there be??? Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., CCAS - Original Message - From: "Darren Garrison" To: "Meteorite Mailing List" Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Damn! I shoulda gone beach combing! Washed up on a South Carolina beach (I'm in SC) http://www.wmbfnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=12534303 The next trick would have been driving around 250 miles home with that strapped to the roof... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered from South Carolina
Darren posted: > Washed up on a South Carolina beach (I'm in SC) > http://www.wmbfnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=12534303 > The next trick would have been driving around 250 miles home > with that strapped to the roof... Worth a pretty penny to space debris collectors, to be sure. However, the conjecture at the end of the article can be easily dismissed: "According to the BBC, an Ariane 5 rocket launched from French Guiana in northern South America just three days ago. No word yet on if the debris came from that rocket." It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to rule this out. Sure, the Ariane 5 launch was May 21 and the debris washed ashore on May 22. However, this was an eastern launch out of Kourou since they were going to geosynchronous orbit. Kind of hard to get a booster section from equatorial waters to the beaches of South Carolina in 24 hours. This had to have come from an older launch -- *assuming* it's space launch debris. The most recent Kourou launch prior to last Friday was Helios IIB on an Ariane 5GS on December 18th. Unlike the May 24th launch, this is a possible candidate for two reasons: (1) it allows sufficient time for SRB debris to drift to the U.S. East Coast, and (2) the Helios launch went into sunsynchronous (polar) orbit, which means it launched north out of French Guiana. Unlike the solids on the U.S. Space Shuttle, the Ariane 5 SRB's are not reusable and are usually allowed to sink to the bottom of the ocean. Occasionally they will be fitted with parachutes and recovered for diagnostic purposes. (I don't happen to know if they attempted this on the Helios IIB launch or not.) --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at this!
Thanks for posting this one! Great fun. I got stuck for an hour looking over the whole thing. Amazing if you look around you will find a ton of rocks bigger than the one featured that have rolled very long distances. Real neat. Warren Sansoucie > Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:46:19 -0700 > From: damoc...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at this! > > Personally I find the sorting of the debris at the bottom of the slope a much > more interesting process than a boulder rolling down slope ending up in a > ubiquitous crater. > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Darren Garrison wrote: > >> From: Darren Garrison >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at this! >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 9:37 AM >> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/05/24/lunar-boulder-hits-a-hole-in-one/ >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at this!
Personally I find the sorting of the debris at the bottom of the slope a much more interesting process than a boulder rolling down slope ending up in a ubiquitous crater. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Darren Garrison wrote: > From: Darren Garrison > Subject: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at this! > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 9:37 AM > http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/05/24/lunar-boulder-hits-a-hole-in-one/ > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at this!
Me >>I think I see a house, half a man and a pig<< Sterling>>I see a condo, half a pig, and two men eating BBQ...<< One of us must be nuts. :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at this!
Funny. I see a condo, half a pig, and two men eating BBQ... Sterling Webb -- - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at this! I think I see a house, half a man and a pig GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SOFIA Prepares for Debut Flight Featuring Cornell-made Instrument
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/May10/SofiaBackground.html NASA's airborne observatory prepares for debut flight featuring Cornell-made instrument May 24, 2010 By Lauren Gold l...@cornell.edu When the first photons meet the 2.7-meter telescope aboard SOFIA, the Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy, in flight May 25, it will be the long-awaited result of more than 13 years of work by hundreds of scientists and engineers around the world. It will also be the beginning of a new era in astronomy, scientists say. And it will be a particularly sweet moment for Cornell professor of astronomy Terry Herter, leader of the team that designed and built FORCAST (the Faint Object InfraRed Camera for the SOFIA Telescope), the first instrument to fly on the observatory. SOFIA, a modified Boeing 747SP fitted with a German-built telescope that measures radiation primarily in the infrared, is about to begin what researchers hope will be some 20 years of observing the universe. The mission is a joint program by NASA and the German Aerospace Center. With an evolving variety of instruments that can be changed and updated as technology progresses over the years, the observatory could help answer questions about planet and star formation, the composition of nearby galaxies and the center of our own galaxy, features of the interstellar medium and the planets of our solar system. The observatory combines the advantages of space-based telescopes like the Spitzer Space Telescope and the Hubbell Space Telescope with the benefits of ground-based observatories, said University of California-Los Angeles astrophysicist Eric Becklin. Flying at 35,000-45,000 feet, it will allow researchers to see phenomena that are obscured from the ground by atmospheric water vapor. But because it returns to the ground, researchers can change instruments and make adjustments and modifications that would be impossible with a space telescope. "The aircraft puts the two together; it's a nice partnership," said Becklin. "I haven't talked to anybody who's not excited by this project." SOFIA is also mobile -- it can travel to different places around the world to observe transient events. To keep it stable in flight, the telescope is suspended over a giant spherical bearing -- similar to how a puck is suspended over an air hockey table. Small torquer motors use magnetic fields to keep the telescope centered. Five instruments are ready for use on SOFIA (one at a time), with many more in the pipeline. First in line is FORCAST, an infrared camera that can take 100 images per second, making it ideally suited for characterizing the telescope on its initial flights. On the debut six-hour flight, FORCAST will also measure the thermal emission from the telescope itself -- vital information for every instrument to follow -- and take infrared photos of test targets in the sky. Herter, principal investigator for FORCAST, will be on board to operate the instrument, along with two other Cornell team members and seven scientists, engineers and technicians from the United States and Germany. Once SOFIA is in regular operation, FORCAST will collect high-resolution infrared images of the galactic center, regions around forming stars and nearby galaxies. With dozens of flights logged on SOFIA's predecessor, the Kuiper Airborne Observatory, Herter is a veteran of airborne astronomy. But he's not jaded to the concept. "Think of it: You modify a 747 airplane and cut a hole in it, and then you put a telescope in it and look out," he said. "It's pretty amazing." SOFIA's development program is managed at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, Calif., with the aircraft based at the Dryden Aircraft Operations Facility in Palmdale. NASA's Ames Research Center manages SOFIA science and mission operations in cooperation with the Universities Space Research Association and the Deutsches SOFIA Institute in Stuttgart, Germany. -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Kaidun sales?
Hey listers. I'm not supposed to make any more meteorite purchases for about a month or so..are any specimens of Kaidun available to purchase/trade? I'd like to add a piece(s) of this meteorite to my collection. or is it one of those meteorites that are off limits to collectors? --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Damn! I shoulda gone beach combing!
Washed up on a South Carolina beach (I'm in SC) http://www.wmbfnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=12534303 The next trick would have been driving around 250 miles home with that strapped to the roof... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Don't skip looking at this!
I had the opportunity to discuss this with Apollo 16 Astronaut Charlie Dukes, once upon a time: finding a "meteorite" trail on the lunar surface with a prize at rest at the end of the track. He said they saw some dashed tracks clearly indicating something had skipped along the ground. There were tracks but, they did not see what made them. Before I better understood the big picture dynamics, I had wondered if an extremely low-angle, "glancing" encounter might allow a meteorite to brush the ground and go bouncing down the "fairway" a la Al Shepard(Apollo 14). And if so would there be a track to follow. We know now it is pretty much impossible for that scenario but seems we have good photographic evidence what types of lunar objects can. Skipping back to you DG... Elton - Original Message > From: Darren Garrison > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 12:37:34 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Don't skip looking at this! > > http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/05/24/lunar-boulder-hits-a-hole-in-one/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 'Face' on Mars (off topic)
Hi, Someone was asking about NASA's official opinion on the Face on Mars. Here it is: http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/faq/index.cfm?Category=Mars#q9 What is NASA's official opinion as to what the 'face' on Mars is? NASA has no official opinion on what the so-called "face" on Mars is. Most planetary scientists agree that the image is a combination of a natural feature and lighting conditions that formed to make ' a face.' More detailed images since the Viking missions show it to be a normal hill. Since this is a bit off-topic from meteorites, I'd suggest further discussions of this be taken offline. Ron Baalke __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Phoenix Mars Lander Does Not Phone Home, New Image Shows Damage
May 24, 2010 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov D.C. Agle/Jia-Rui Cook Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-393-9011/354-0850 a...@jpl.nasa.gov/jia-rui.c.c...@jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 10-120 PHOENIX MARS LANDER DOES NOT PHONE HOME, NEW IMAGE SHOWS DAMAGE PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has ended operations after repeated attempts to contact the spacecraft were unsuccessful. A new image transmitted by NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) shows signs of severe ice damage to the lander's solar panels. "The Phoenix spacecraft succeeded in its investigations and exceeded its planned lifetime," said Fuk Li, manager of the Mars Exploration Program at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "Although its work is finished, analysis of information from Phoenix's science activities will continue for some time to come." Last week, NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter flew over the Phoenix landing site 61 times during a final attempt to communicate with the lander. No transmission from the lander was detected. Phoenix also did not communicate during 150 flights in three earlier listening campaigns this year. Earth-based research continues on discoveries Phoenix made during summer conditions at the far-northern site where it landed May 25, 2008. The solar-powered lander completed its three-month mission and kept working until sunlight waned two months later. Phoenix was not designed to survive the dark, cold, icy winter. However, the slim possibility Phoenix survived could not be eliminated without listening for the lander after abundant sunshine returned. The MRO image of Phoenix taken this month by the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment, or HiRISE, camera on board the spacecraft suggests the lander no longer casts shadows the way it did during its working lifetime. "Before and after images are dramatically different," said Michael Mellon of the University of Colorado in Boulder, a science team member for both Phoenix and HiRISE. "The lander looks smaller, and only a portion of the difference can be explained by accumulation of dust on the lander, which makes its surfaces less distinguishable from surrounding ground." Apparent changes in the shadows cast by the lander are consistent with predictions of how Phoenix could be damaged by harsh winter conditions. It was anticipated that the weight of a carbon-dioxide ice buildup could bend or break the lander's solar panels. Mellon calculated hundreds of pounds of ice probably coated the lander in mid-winter. During its mission, Phoenix confirmed and examined patches of the widespread deposits of underground water ice detected by Odyssey and identified a mineral called calcium carbonate that suggested occasional presence of thawed water. The lander also found soil chemistry with significant implications for life and observed falling snow. The mission's biggest surprise was the discovery of perchlorate, an oxidizing chemical on Earth that is food for some microbes and potentially toxic for others. "We found that the soil above the ice can act like a sponge, with perchlorate scavenging water from the atmosphere and holding on to it," said Peter Smith, Phoenix principal investigator at the University of Arizona in Tucson. "You can have a thin film layer of water capable of being a habitable environment. A micro-world at the scale of grains of soil -- that's where the action is." The perchlorate results are shaping subsequent astrobiology research, as scientists investigate the implications of its antifreeze properties and potential use as an energy source by microbes. Discovery of the ice in the uppermost soil by Odyssey pointed the way for Phoenix. More recently, the MRO detected numerous ice deposits in middle latitudes at greater depth using radar and exposed on the surface by fresh impact craters. "Ice-rich environments are an even bigger part of the planet than we thought," Smith said. "Somewhere in that vast region there are going to be places that are more habitable than others." NASA's MRO reached the planet in 2006 to begin a two-year primary science mission. Its data show Mars had diverse wet environments at many locations for differing durations during the planet's history, and climate-change cycles persist into the present era. The mission has returned more planetary data than all other Mars missions combined. Odyssey has been orbiting Mars since 2001. The mission also has played important roles by supporting the twin Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity. The Phoenix mission was led by Smith at the University of Arizona, with project management at JPL and development partnership at Lockheed Martin in Denver. The University of Arizona operates the HiRISE camera, which was built by Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., in Boulder. Mars missions are managed by JP
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubesm
OK? Steve, I wasn't being personally insulting or telling you "you're wrong!" I thought I was polite and informative for the benefit of the list and sharing my experiences with you and the list. Yes, I'm familiar with the "Sunny 16" rule. and no I'm not sure why there's an issue here other than you personally taking offense to what I said. Can we move on and continue talking about photographing meteorites now? Regards, Eric On 5/24/2010 8:41 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote: excepy you ar wrong! The nice photos in magazines are made by using a grey background then developing the print as if the background is white. Check back issues of Modern photography. They have an article about using grey backgrounds in or around 1991. You may want to read up on the F16 rule also. Wher anything lighted by the full light of the sun needs an exposure of 1/250 at F16 or any combination that equals it like F8 and 1/500 or F22 and 1/125. On Sun May 23rd, 2010 1:29 PM EDT Meteorites USA wrote: Hi List, With all due respect Steve, normally you would be right. About traditional art photography, or perhaps editorials, or such But we're not talking about editorials or art. Or at least I'm not. I'm referring to the industry standard in "product photography" online. I would guesstimate maybe 99% of ALL retail catalogs online have white backgrounds for their product precisely because it adds greater contrast and provides a sharper, clearer image, with more accurate color visually to the consumer/viewer. If you don't like white, don't use white, it's all personal preference. In my opinion of course...White ROCKS! And white works... I've been in business online for over 10 years and we would clip our product images backgrounds out completely. We've done market tests "with backgrounds" and "without backgrounds". We've experimented with all sorts of solid colored backgrounds as well, and white backgrounds always pull a higher response rate. Again, I think it comes down to personal preference as Anne spoke of earlier. I love other background colors, blues, reds, greens, grays... One of the biggest "No nos" in the industry is using a mottled or "busy" background for your subject. It detracts from the object being photographed and the eye has a very hard time discerning the subject >from the background. I will agree however that a polarizing filter and/or a gray background will bring out detail, but one with skill with the camera can do this with any solid color background IF proper white balancing is used. Contrast is good, in my opinion. Regards, Eric On 5/23/2010 9:42 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote: photography is always an experiment. It usualy takes many exposures to get an acceptable pic. Having a white background for a dark object is a photographic no no! Its like trying to photograph the moon and expect to see the stars around it. Too much contrast! If you use a grey background and develope as if it is white you get much more detail. I have been realy sloppy with my meteorite photos and can do much better. A polarizing filter used properly can cut out the scale cube problem. have a great day! Steve On Sat May 22nd, 2010 8:43 PM EDT Michael Blood wrote: I've had some very positive flashes over the years Michael On 5/17/10 4:05 AM, "Met. Michael Gilmer" wrote: Hi Peter and Greg, I've never used the flash a single time when taking meteorite photos. Flash is evil. Best regards, MikeG On 5/17/10, Peter Scherff wrote: Hi Greg, Have you tried taking the photos in manual mode? I see that you had your FinePix S1000fd in auto white balance& auto flash. I believe if you set the values yourself you will be able to recreate the look of the photo you like even when using the scale cube. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do this. .92g Karoonda with cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg .92g Karoonda without the cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg Thanks for all the input from everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteo
Re: [meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at this!
I think I see a house, half a man and a pig GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dont skip looking at this!
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/05/24/lunar-boulder-hits-a-hole-in-one/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubesm
excepy you ar wrong! The nice photos in magazines are made by using a grey background then developing the print as if the background is white. Check back issues of Modern photography. They have an article about using grey backgrounds in or around 1991. You may want to read up on the F16 rule also. Wher anything lighted by the full light of the sun needs an exposure of 1/250 at F16 or any combination that equals it like F8 and 1/500 or F22 and 1/125. On Sun May 23rd, 2010 1:29 PM EDT Meteorites USA wrote: >Hi List, > >With all due respect Steve, normally you would be right. About >traditional art photography, or perhaps editorials, or such But >we're not talking about editorials or art. Or at least I'm not. > >I'm referring to the industry standard in "product photography" online. >I would guesstimate maybe 99% of ALL retail catalogs online have white >backgrounds for their product precisely because it adds greater contrast >and provides a sharper, clearer image, with more accurate color visually >to the consumer/viewer. If you don't like white, don't use white, it's >all personal preference. In my opinion of course...White ROCKS! And >white works... I've been in business online for over 10 years and we >would clip our product images backgrounds out completely. We've done >market tests "with backgrounds" and "without backgrounds". We've >experimented with all sorts of solid colored backgrounds as well, and >white backgrounds always pull a higher response rate. > >Again, I think it comes down to personal preference as Anne spoke of >earlier. I love other background colors, blues, reds, greens, grays... >One of the biggest "No nos" in the industry is using a mottled or "busy" >background for your subject. It detracts from the object being >photographed and the eye has a very hard time discerning the subject >from the background. > >I will agree however that a polarizing filter and/or a gray background >will bring out detail, but one with skill with the camera can do this >with any solid color background IF proper white balancing is used. > >Contrast is good, in my opinion. > >Regards, >Eric > >On 5/23/2010 9:42 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote: >> photography is always an experiment. It usualy takes many exposures to get >> an acceptable pic. Having a white background for a dark object is a >> photographic no no! Its like trying to photograph the moon and expect to >> see the stars around it. Too much contrast! If you use a grey background and >> develope as if it is white you get much more detail. I have been realy >> sloppy with my meteorite photos and can do much better. A polarizing filter >> used properly can cut out the scale cube problem. have a >> great day! Steve >> >> On Sat May 22nd, 2010 8:43 PM EDT Michael Blood wrote: >> >> >>> I've had some very positive flashes over the years >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> On 5/17/10 4:05 AM, "Met. Michael Gilmer" wrote: >>> >>> Hi Peter and Greg, I've never used the flash a single time when taking meteorite photos. Flash is evil. Best regards, MikeG On 5/17/10, Peter Scherff wrote: > Hi Greg, > > Have you tried taking the photos in manual mode? I see that you had > your FinePix S1000fd in auto white balance& auto flash. I believe if you > set the values yourself you will be able to recreate the look of the photo > you like even when using the scale cube. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg > Catterton > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:06 PM > To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo color issue update - colored scale cubes > > I am pretty certain the issue is being caused now by my scale cube... > See pictures below, one is with a blue cube, one is without. > No other editing or anything has been done. Only change is removing the > scale cube... guess I am now in the market for a new cube that wont do > this. > > .92g Karoonda with cube > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g2.jpg > > .92g Karoonda without the cube > http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Karoonda92g.jpg > > Thanks for all the input from everyone. > > > Greg Catterton > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com > IMCA member 4682 > On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites > > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteori
