Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kemil article in New Scientist
Kieron, Jason and others I absolutely do not want to re-ignite the old private vs. public argument again. As a curator for a publically-funded museum, however, I do feel that once again I need to defend not just may own institution, but other similar bodies. I feel sure that every curator charged with the care and security of a meteorite collection, or any other collection of geological material, wishes they had the time, space and money to put as much of their collections on display as they possibly could. Often, decisions about exhibitions and what goes on display, are out of the control of the curator. They are often also constrained by a list of considerations and preconditions that is longer than my arm, and we often face prejudice from art based curators about the worthiness and attractiveness of geological specimens. I guess you have heard this all before. But we do our level best to bring our collections to the public attention by other means. There are talks and lectures given by curators, school visits, there are mineral, fossil and meteorite shows (like Ensisheim and Munich) where we can put stuff on display. Other museums and galleries can also take our material on loan. Publications in both the popular press and the academic press are also pumping a constant stream of information into the public domain. Last but not least, as the collections held in public institutions are paid for by the taxpayers of the UK, they are fully entitled to come and view the collections in their storage areas, subject to certain limitations, and I am happy to take appointment from members of the public to come and see the collections and a number of members on this list and the BIMS list have already done so. All are welcome! Curators face a lot of pressure from many directions. The threat of cuts and redundancies is also now looming ever closer. Please recognise that we are all doing our best. We recognise, in turn, that we could do better. In the end, we all want the same thing - to bring our wonderful meteorites to a wider public. Cheers Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals Department of Natural Sciences National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Scotland Tel: 00 44 131 247 4283 E-mail: p.david...@nms.ac.uk -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Kieron Heard Sent: 05 August 2010 20:07 To: Matt Smith; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kemil article in New Scientist Much food for thought there, Matt. I was particularly struck by the following statement attributed to Philip Bland: If they don't do it [analyse meteorites for dealers] then the meteorites will remain solely in private hands, sitting in a collection. The meteorites would be never seen again. It has been said before, but how many of the meteorites languishing in museum stores will ever be seen by the public? I'll bet my modest collection has the potential to reach a wider audience and generate more interest than some of those held by public bodies. Regards, Kieron -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]on Behalf Of Matt Smith Sent: 05 August 2010 19:40 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kemil article in New Scientist An article on the controversy regarding the recent Gebel Kemil find: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727724.000-deep-impact-market-th e-ra ce-to-acquire-meteorites.html or http://bit.ly/ct9U42 Regarding the legal situation it states: In Egypt, permission is supposed to be required to export meteorites. Di Martino and colleagues were authorised to take just 20 kilograms of Gebel Kamil out of the country. Everything which is found in the Egyptian soil is property of the government, explains Tarek Hussein, who as former president of Egypt's Academy of Scientific Research and Technology was responsible for handling export applications until last April. He is concerned that many Gebel Kamil fragments that have appeared on the market in the west were not approved for export. Matt. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Liven up your lunchtime with Free Fringe Music from 9-29 August at the National Museum of Scotland www.nms.ac.uk/fringe National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are
[meteorite-list] Gebel Kemil not found anywhere near contested border
Hello David, All, I don't know who the first person was who claimed that Gebel Kamil was found in disputed territory (you might check the archives ;), but that's not the case, at all. I'm surprised that no one has commented on this sooner, granted that all of the information is easily accessible online. A section of the Egypt-Sudan border *is* currently being contested by Sudan. That area is known as the Hala'ib Triangle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hala'ib_triangle Compare with the crater at (plug into google maps or google earth): N 22°01'06 E 26°05'16 As you can see, the crater lies approximately 350 miles due west of the nearest contested land. And, if you think about it, this kind of makes sense. Why would the Sudanese government want to fight over an empty stretch of sand? Well, they don't. They're contesting the right to the arable, populated land to the east, on/near the Red Sea. They're fighting over useful land that full of people. How logical... I think this was a claim initially made by a few dealers who hoped to make their material a little more appealing; they could say, Even if Egypt has outlawed the export of meteorites, it doesn't matter because these may belong to Sudan. But...that's not the case. If Egypt did prohibit the export of these meteorites by law, Sudan doesn't enter into the equation in any way. The Sudanese aren't contesting the ownership of the land where the crater lies. And conversely, if Egypt did not prohibit the export of these meteorites, they're perfectly legal. So, yes, the border is contested. But not where these meteorites are from. I hope this clears that up. ...I'm still trying to figure out why those Egyptian scientists would have even tried to get some form of approval in order to export 20kg of material if it were legal to export as much as they wanted from the start. I have the feeling that we as a community might be taking advantage of a country's lesser-understood, and perhaps a little less-stringently-enforced laws...it wouldn't be the first time. Best, Jason On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:49 PM, David Norton renov8hot...@earthlink.net wrote: Am I mistaken or is the location in a region of disputed boundaries? If so, the rightful owner has yet to be determined. Additionally, I believe that I had previously read that Egypt does not have laws specifically regarding meteorites, but has strong laws regarding artifacts. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Matt Smith Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:40 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kemil article in New Scientist An article on the controversy regarding the recent Gebel Kemil find: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727724.000-deep-impact-market-the-ra ce-to-acquire-meteorites.html or http://bit.ly/ct9U42 Regarding the legal situation it states: In Egypt, permission is supposed to be required to export meteorites. Di Martino and colleagues were authorised to take just 20 kilograms of Gebel Kamil out of the country. Everything which is found in the Egyptian soil is property of the government, explains Tarek Hussein, who as former president of Egypt's Academy of Scientific Research and Technology was responsible for handling export applications until last April. He is concerned that many Gebel Kamil fragments that have appeared on the market in the west were not approved for export. Matt. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Glen L. Evans @ Odessa
Odessa meteor crater expert dies Comments 0 August 06, 2010 5:01 AM ODESSA AMERICAN Glen L. Evans, a prominent geologist who was in charge of exploration of the Odessa Meteor Crater from 1939 to 1941, died July 14. He completed a publication in 2000 with Charles Gene Mear titled, The Odessa meteor craters and their geological implications in the Occasional Papers of the Strecker Museum, No. 5 at Baylor University. Tom Rodman, an Odessa Meteor Crater volunteer whose family once owned the site, said he first met Evans in 1963 when the first museum for the meteor crater opened. He came out and gave a talk at our first museum, and he kept visiting throughout the years he was working on his paper, Rodman said. We bought all of Glen Evans copies of the paper. We kind of have a monopoly over them, and we still sell the item. Rodman said Evans thoroughness and patience ensured that the job was always done right. His research opened everybodys eyes to the fact that the big meteorite will not survive impact. Its so big that it vaporizes itself. Sometimes, the speed is so great that at 40,000 mph, air becomes like a brick wall, Rodman said. They did not know that when they dug that 165-foot shaft and didnt find the meteorite. Memorial services are at 7 p.m. today at the Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Center, 4801 La Crosse Ave., in Austin. Evans was born in Clay County and began attending the University of Texas in Austin in 1934. After graduation, Evans worked as a field geologist with the Bureau of Economic Geology at UT. In 1953, Evans joined the geology staff at Louisiana Land and Exploration, prompting him to relocate frequently between Austin, Midland and Calgary before heading to Denver and retiring as director of Minerals Division of LLE in the early 1970s. -- ___ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Gebel Kamil - new fine small etched slices - update
Dear List members, i have update my sale page of Gebel Kamil. Now are fine etched slices in smaller size available. http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af9d8f00fba02/0334af9daf0719c02/index.php Many greetings to all, Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD meteorites for sale
Here is an offering of some meteorites from the Stephan collection: Bilanga 10 gram partslice Canon City CO micro Faith 15 gram partslice Flandreau 20 gram partslice Gladstone 61 gram partslice Goalpara .294 fragment Numerous others available: hammers, historic, rare and unusual museum quality specimens Please e-mail Twink Monrad off-list for more information. larrytwinkmon...@comcast.net __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kemil article in New Scientist
Hi all, if you read the article carefully, you surprisingly will find also a remarkably positive point: An estimate about the Moroccan NWA-market. At around $1 million a year, the trade in meteorites is small beer Folks, these are peanuts in the universitary and science world. 1 million a year gets a PostDoc at the Munich university for his project, to make water fleas angry. (Certainly an interesting task too, but compared to being able to work and to research on samples from Moon, Mars, Vesta and unaccessible other celestial bodies.) Don't know, to me it seems always astonishing, that some people think they have to use a flattop to crack a nut. Best, Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gert-Jan Netjes
Gert-Jan Many apologies for going this route to find you. We had a major change to our IT system in the museum and some of my old e-mail has gone missing including the e-mail we exchanged before your visit last year. Can you contact me again off-list and send me your e-mail and full address. I am going to register the Gardnos Impact Breccia in our collection and we have to make a record of who donated the specimen. Hope this is OK? Have a great weekend Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals Department of Natural Sciences National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Scotland Tel: 00 44 131 247 4283 E-mail: p.david...@nms.ac.uk Liven up your lunchtime with Free Fringe Music from 9-29 August at the National Museum of Scotland www.nms.ac.uk/fringe National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Senate Approves Bill Adding Extra Space Shuttle Flight New Heavy-Lift Rocket
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1008/06senate/ Senate approves bill adding extra space shuttle flight BY STEPHEN CLARK SPACEFLIGHT NOW August 6, 2010 The U.S. Senate passed a compromise NASA bill Thursday night that would order the agency to fly an extra space shuttle mission next June and immediately start work on a new heavy-lift rocket for human voyages beyond Earth. The vote on the Senate floor occurred late Thursday night, just before lawmakers leave Washington for the traditional August recess. The Senate's authorization of NASA was unveiled in July as it was approved by the body's commerce committee. The legislation calls for the launch of another shuttle flight in June 2011, at the earliest. NASA's official shuttle manifest now includes two more missions launching in November and February. The extra flight, designated STS-135, would keep much of the shuttle workforce in place for another year and resupply the International Space Station. Workers are already preparing equipment for a launch-on-need mission that would fly as a rescue if the two scheduled shuttle flights ran into serious trouble. The STS-135 flight would use the existing hardware if a rescue mission is not required. Under the Senate authorization bill, NASA would also begin developing a new heavy-duty booster this year for human missions to asteroids and Mars. The legislation directs NASA to use existing contracts, workers and capabilities from the space shuttle and Constellation programs, including the Orion and Ares 1 vehicles. The heavy-lift rocket should be ready for orbital missions by the end of 2016, according to the Senate. The authorization act budgets more than $11 billion through 2013 for the government-owned launch vehicle and capsule. About $1.6 billion would be set aside in the next three years by the Senate authorization act for up-and-coming commercial space transportation systems, including capsules to take over the job of sending astronauts to and from the International Space Station by 2015. The bill was presented as a compromise last month, but a White House spokesperson was not immediately available for comment on Thursday night's passage. In a statement July 15, the White House told Spaceflight Now the Senate bill contains critical elements necessary for achieving the president's vision for NASA. The compromise represents an important first step in fulfilling President Obama's goals for NASA, the July statement said. The White House's original NASA policy proposed terminating the Constellation program, providing more than $3 billion to private space companies through 2013, and planning for piloted deep space expeditions at an indefinite time in the future. The proposals did not include adding another shuttle flight. In a visit to Florida in April, President Obama set a timetable to begin development of a heavy-lift rocket by 2015. Senate legislation would move up the development to fiscal year 2011, which begins in October. The Senate's NASA appropriations bill is still awaiting consideration on the floor. The spending legislation passed the Senate Appropriations Committee in a July 22 hearing. The House is working on its own NASA authorization bill, but its language is far different from the Senate legislation. NASA would still fly the STS-135 shuttle mission and retain key parts of the Constellation program if the House legislation was adopted. But the House provides much less funding for the commercial spaceflight initiative and does not call for building a heavy-lift rocket as soon as the Senate bill. Instead, the House would direct the agency to continue developing a government-owned rocket and capsule like the Ares 1 and Orion architecture that was to be scrapped by the White House. The legislation was approved by the House science committee July 22, but plans to bring the bill to a vote on the House floor last week faltered after intense opposition. The House probably won't take up the NASA bill until it reconvenes in September. The differing versions must be reconciled through a conference committee between the Senate and House. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kemil not found anywhere near contestedborder
Hi Jason, list. I have the feeling that we as a community might be taking advantage of a country's lesser-understood, I don't have that feeling. The USA are world-leading in meteorite science, they have high annual national find rates and no export restrictions for meteorites. It is remarkable to observe, that in none of the countries with the most active meteorite research anybody postulates that strict laws regarding ownership or export of meteorites shall be introduced or enforced. So in this respect, I think indeed some education would be necessary in these desert states, that they could profit from the experiences of the meteoritically more advanced countries and that they could develop so a better-understood. Maybe MetSoc and especially the Italian team could help with that? I would even go so far to say, - look Egypt is quite the one and only Sahara-country, which didn't take part in the great finds-explosion there of the recent 15 years. Egypt has find rates like small green wet desert-free Germany. - I would even think that an experiment there could make much sense: to liberalize the meteorite regulations there and to wait, what will happen then! Ideal testing ground there, cause what shall they loose, if nothing was there before? Best! Martin PS: What was in the bottle, before they emptied it? May be that could give a plausible explanation, why they couldn't find it later anymore ;-) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - August 4, 2010
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES August 4, 2010 o Exposed Ice in Fresh Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_018273_2245 o Enigmatic Sinuous Features in Louth Crater Ice Mound http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_018301_2505 o Rayed Crater in Elysium Planitia http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_018352_1805 o Climate Change Recorded within North Polar Layers http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_018482_2790 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Odessa Meteor Crater Expert Dies (Glen Evans)
http://www.oaoa.com/news/meteor-51044-crater-odessa.html Odessa meteor crater expert dies ODESSA AMERICAN August 6, 2010 Glen L. Evans, a prominent geologist who was in charge of exploration of the Odessa Meteor Crater from 1939 to 1941, died July 14. He completed a publication in 2000 with Charles Gene Mear titled, The Odessa meteor craters and their geological implications in the Occasional Papers of the Strecker Museum, No. 5 at Baylor University. Tom Rodman, an Odessa Meteor Crater volunteer whose family once owned the site, said he first met Evans in 1963 when the first museum for the meteor crater opened. He came out and gave a talk at our first museum, and he kept visiting throughout the years he was working on his paper, Rodman said. We bought all of Glen Evans' copies of the paper. We kind of have a monopoly over them, and we still sell the item. Rodman said Evans' thoroughness and patience ensured that the job was always done right. His research opened everybody's eyes to the fact that the big meteorite will not survive impact. It's so big that it vaporizes itself. Sometimes, the speed is so great that at 40,000 mph, air becomes like a brick wall, Rodman said. They did not know that when they dug that 165-foot shaft and didn't find the meteorite. Memorial services are at 7 p.m. today at the Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Center, 4801 La Crosse Ave., in Austin. Evans was born in Clay County and began attending the University of Texas in Austin in 1934. After graduation, Evans worked as a field geologist with the Bureau of Economic Geology at UT. In 1953, Evans joined the geology staff at Louisiana Land and Exploration, prompting him to relocate frequently between Austin, Midland and Calgary before heading to Denver and retiring as director of Minerals Division of LLE in the early 1970s. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 6, 2010
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[meteorite-list] Falls in Met Bull No. 97
Finally got around to reading my copy of MPS (Vol.45 No.3, 2010 March) and lo' behold, there on the back pages was the print version of the Meteoritical Bulletin (No. 97)! Congratulations to the Canadian team (UWO) and the South American team (CASLEO) for their work in getting the Grimsby (2009) and Santa Lucia (2008) falls into the Meteoritical Bulletin. Looks like Congratulations should also go out to Dr. Donald Stimpson for getting the new USA achondrite find into that same Bulletin: Larned, Kansas (Find: 1977) like Norton County, another Aubrite (anomalous) for the state of Kansas! The Met Bull isn't the only place that you will find Larned in print. There is already an abstract in print - in MPS (Vol.45 - SUPPLEMENT): http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2010/pdf/5304.pdf one of several abstracts this year regarding shock in Aubrites. (More about that subject in a later post;-) Enjoy, Bob V. http://tinyurl.com/NortonCounty __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: USA Falls - Norton County Petersburg
Hello again List, I have some auctions on eBay that are ending soon: http://shop.ebay.com/bolide*chaser/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 These can be considered historical USA FALLS: The PETERSBURG Meteorite. This Achondrite - Polymict Eucrite type, Fell to Earth on August 5th, 1855 at 15:30hrs, in Lincoln County, Tennessee, USA. Petersburg, partslice (0.12 grams) http://tinyurl.com/35hen2a This ultra-rare, historical USA Fall has great provenance: from Russ Kempton at NEMS via the Michael Cottingham Meteorite Collection. Norton County - Classified as AUBRITE - - (fragmental impact breccia) - - Fell across the Kansas-Nebraska state line - in 1948 - TKW 1.1MT - Impact BRECCIA fragment 7.92grams http://tinyurl.com/NortonCounty This specimen appears in the UNM Collection Catalog as Specimen number = N.15965 : http://epswww1.unm.edu/metcat/sample_output.php?samplename=NORTON%20COUNTY Check-out the images on the auction site. All of the above specimens are now listed on eBay: http://shop.ebay.com/bolide*chaser/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 Hope you enjoy the images, Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] K.C.Martin from IMCA Encyclopedia of Meteorites
Hello, does anyone here know this collector? Please contact me at: mouti...@bol.com.br Thanks! Andre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Quijingue pallasite tracking help
Hello, I am trying to discover how the 1984 Brazilian found pallasite left Brazil and reached the international meteorite commerce. Does anyone here have any clue?? Please, reply to mouti...@bol.com.br Thank you! Andre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Falls in Met Bull No. 97
Hi Bob and List, I need a copy of this issue of MAPS. If anyone wants to sell their copy, let me know off-list. :) Best regards, MikeG On 8/6/10, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote: Finally got around to reading my copy of MPS (Vol.45 No.3, 2010 March) and lo' behold, there on the back pages was the print version of the Meteoritical Bulletin (No. 97)! Congratulations to the Canadian team (UWO) and the South American team (CASLEO) for their work in getting the Grimsby (2009) and Santa Lucia (2008) falls into the Meteoritical Bulletin. Looks like Congratulations should also go out to Dr. Donald Stimpson for getting the new USA achondrite find into that same Bulletin: Larned, Kansas (Find: 1977) like Norton County, another Aubrite (anomalous) for the state of Kansas! The Met Bull isn't the only place that you will find Larned in print. There is already an abstract in print - in MPS (Vol.45 - SUPPLEMENT): http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2010/pdf/5304.pdf one of several abstracts this year regarding shock in Aubrites. (More about that subject in a later post;-) Enjoy, Bob V. http://tinyurl.com/NortonCounty __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 2-6, 2010
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES August 2-6, 2010 o Kasei Valles Dunes (02 August 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100802a o North Polar Dunes (03 August 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100803a o Dunes (04 August 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100804a o Dunes (05 August 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100805a o Cerberus Fossae (06 August 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100806a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Planets Align for the Perseid Meteor Shower
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/05aug_perseids/ Planets Align for the Perseid Meteor Shower NASA Science News August 5, 2010: You know it's a good night when a beautiful alignment of planets is the /second/ best thing that's going to happen. Thursday, August 12th, is such a night. The show begins at sundown when Venus, Saturn, Mars and the crescent Moon pop out of the western twilight in tight conjunction. All four heavenly objects will fit within a circle about 10 degrees in diameter, beaming together through the dusky colors of sunset. No telescope is required to enjoy this naked-eye event: sky map http://heliophysics.org/headlines/y2010/images/perseids/skymap_12aug10.gif. The planets will hang together in the western sky until 10 pm or so. When they leave, following the sun below the horizon, you should stay, because that is when the Perseid meteor shower begins. From 10 pm until dawn, meteors will flit across the starry sky in a display that's even more exciting than a planetary get-together. The Perseid meteor shower is caused by debris from Comet Swift-Tuttle. Every 133 years the huge comet swings through the inner solar system and leaves behind a trail of dust and gravel. When Earth passes through the debris, specks of comet-stuff hit the atmosphere at 140,000 mph and disintegrate in flashes of light. These meteors are called Perseids because they fly out of the constellation Perseus. Swift-Tuttle's debris zone is so wide, Earth spends weeks inside it. Indeed, we are in the outskirts now, and sky watchers are already reporting a trickle of late-night Perseids. The trickle could turn into a torrent between August 11th and 13th when Earth passes through the heart of the debris trail. 2010 is a good year for Perseids because the Moon won't be up during the midnight-to-dawn hours of greatest activity. Lunar glare can wipe out a good meteor shower, but that won't be the case this time. As Perseus rises and the night deepens, meteor rates will increase. For sheer numbers, the best time to look is during the darkest hours before dawn on Friday morning, Aug. 13th, when most observers will see dozens of Perseids per hour. For best results, get away from city lights. The darkness of the countryside multiplies the visible meteor rate 3- to 10-fold. A good dark sky will even improve the planetary alignment, allowing faint Mars and Saturn to make their full contribution to the display. Many families plan camping trips to coincide with the Perseids. The Milky Way arching over a mountain campground provides the perfect backdrop for a meteor shower. Enjoy the show! Author: Dr. Tony Phillips | Credit: scie...@nasa __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: USA Falls - Norton County Petersburg
Interesting Norton piece Bob and well worth looking at the pics folks. I was recently lucky enough to obtain a couple of nice Norton County pieces and found that I was quite surprised by them. I didn't know what I'd been missing all these years... it's a fascinating and unique meteorite! Certainly well worth reading up on. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: USA Falls - Norton County Petersburg Hello again List, I have some auctions on eBay that are ending soon: http://shop.ebay.com/bolide*chaser/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 These can be considered historical USA FALLS: The PETERSBURG Meteorite. This Achondrite - Polymict Eucrite type, Fell to Earth on August 5th, 1855 at 15:30hrs, in Lincoln County, Tennessee, USA. Petersburg, partslice (0.12 grams) http://tinyurl.com/35hen2a This ultra-rare, historical USA Fall has great provenance: from Russ Kempton at NEMS via the Michael Cottingham Meteorite Collection. Norton County - Classified as AUBRITE - - (fragmental impact breccia) - - Fell across the Kansas-Nebraska state line - in 1948 - TKW 1.1MT - Impact BRECCIA fragment 7.92grams http://tinyurl.com/NortonCounty This specimen appears in the UNM Collection Catalog as Specimen number = N.15965 : http://epswww1.unm.edu/metcat/sample_output.php?samplename=NORTON%20COUNTY Check-out the images on the auction site. All of the above specimens are now listed on eBay: http://shop.ebay.com/bolide*chaser/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 Hope you enjoy the images, Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
