[meteorite-list] AD Meteorites for Sale
Here are some offerings from the Fredric Stephan collection: NWA 753 24.9 grams NWA 311715.00 grams OWASCONebraska 229.7 grams OZONATexas 24.4 grams PEDERNALES Texas 17.69 grams STANNERN Iglau, Czech. 7.00 grams 25% off on all Westons and all Sikhote-Alins Please e-mail Twink Monrad off-list for more information larrytwinkmon...@comcast.net __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
The correlation between cured pork products and meteorites is undeniable
Richard. Consider this fine ham:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200514554515
Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
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- Original Message -
From: "Richard Montgomery"
To: "Rob Wesel" ; "Martin Altmann"
;
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
I'm considering extensive photograghs of my local deli meat
section...awesome breccias and crust on the turkey, then some very
considerable crust on the ham. The veining in the ham sort of flies in the
face of any further debate of such terrestrial history, althought the
brecciated turkey may in fact spark a lively discussion. But please, before
isotope analyisis is called for the resultant impactors, let's consider the
need. I, for one, will go with whatever conclusion we commonly have,
notwithstanding any anomalies, which, of course, we need not go into at this
point.
- Original Message -
From: "Rob Wesel"
To: "Martin Altmann" ;
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Funny you mention cheese Martin.
One of my self imposed edicts for buying is:
If the meteorite costs less per pound than filet mignon...skip dinner and
buy the stone.
Perhaps we should combine ideologies and use the cheesesteak as a model
http://www.greatwraps.com/Philly-cheesesteaks.jpg
Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
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We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971
- Original Message -
From: "Martin Altmann"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Hi Shawn,
I meant it totally seriously. Even I handling daily meteorites, and probably
because of my simple mind, have to do such visualizations from time to time,
and I wanted to express only, that for many if not most collectors (incl.
researchers),it really doesn't matter that much,
whether a meteorite is found in Sahara, Antarctica, USA or Burundi.
The meteorites from Sahara and especially the NWA are, were and will have
been always the most important source of meteoritic material of all times.
As that collecting hobby is about meteorites, why one shouldn't collect them
too?
You know, meteorites can tell to the collectors two stories.
One story is their Earthly story.
Their story how they felt, who owned them before, sometimes some curious
circumstances how they were found or how they felt, who has parts of them,
in which museums are parts of them, in how many books was written something
about them, were some scientific recoveries made for the first time on
them... etc.
This story is interesting for the collector, who likes historic meteorites
or pedigree specimens most.
The other story is,
what they have to tell us about the worlds out there, the solar system, how
sun, planets, Earth, life has formed.
For this story there it isn't important whether the stone bears a name or a
NWA-number.
Those meteorites are interesting for collectors with a fascination more for
space, science, the material itself.
I'd say, from my experience most collectors collect both kinds of
meteorites.
You're 8 months around - meteorite collecting exist for 200 years now.
("old timers" - guess I am a kind of, 30 years ago I purchased my first
one).
When I was young, pretty and full of hopes, I had the permanent choice of
only 300 different meteorites/locations. Most of them very laborious to get
into the collection, most of them available and/or affordable only in
bogey-sizes. Those roadbed-style chondrites, which you as collector get now
from NWA-wonderland ad libitum, they came at my times from Texas, Kansas,
New Mexico.. and they had cost not 30 nor 50$ but 1000 or 2000$ a kg.
Go just 10 years back. Something like a howardite, which you find sometimes
here offered on the list or on ebay at 5$/g - the people had to pay 400$ a
gram for it. And you had from the rare types almost nothing to choose from.
Acapulcoite? You're choice was simple. Monument Draw or Acapulco. One 800$,
the other 1200$/g - and not 30$.
NWA enabled me, that today I can have in my cupboard the complete asteroid
belt, as far as it is known today.
All types of rocks, all types of asteroids.
And now I can choose, even within the different classes, (sometimes even
within the parent body!)
as rare as they might be.
Now I can afford it! And I can afford it in sizes, that I don't need any
longer a magnifier and a lot of fantasy to imagine, that the pinpoint of
speck really could be a piece of the meteorite, I only know from books.
I even can collect now meteorite types, which weren't known to exist before.
Yes, Shawn, I even can have in my collection
[meteorite-list] Looking for tektites
Hello, I am looking for a couple of tektites to be used at the Montreal Planetarium for our meteorite workshop. We are looking for something reasonably priced, preferably in the Montreal area if possible. Thank you Andre Bordeleau __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 2, 2010
Very nice, Frank! Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:02 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 2,2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_2_2010.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 2, 2010
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_2_2010.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Known Tektite Strewn Fields - North American Strewn Field
In the thread “[meteorite-list] Known Tektite Strewn Fields?” http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-August/068400.html , Sterling K. Webb asked: “So, I have a question for the geologists on the List (I know you're there), where do I go in the Eastern U.S. to find Top-O-The-Eocene exposures (beside Georgia and Texas)?” First, figure 1 of Heinrich(2009) shows the approximate distribution of the North American strewn field and locations from where tektites and microtektites of the North American strewn field has been reported. Microtektites have been reported from St. Stephens Quarry in Alabama from two levels in the North Twistwood Creek Formation. This suggest that microtektites, possibly even tektites, can be found within the outcrops within exposures of the Moodys Branch Group from Georgia to Texas that expose sediments which are contemporaneous with the Chesapeake Bay Impact (King and Petruny 2008). The exact outcrop belt in which find exposures, can be found in local and regional geologic maps, county geologic reports, field trip guidebooks and other publications. In Louisiana, the entire Moodys Branch Group is still somewhat exposed at Montgomery Landing Bluff on the Red River. Reference Cited: Heinrich, Paul V., 2009, Reevaluation of Tektites Reported from Rapides Parish, Louisiana. Louisiana Geological Survey NewsInsights. vol. 19, no. 1, pp. 10-14. The PDF file of this article can be either requested from the author of downloaded from either: http://www.scribd.com/doc/18698759/Alleged-Tektites-From-Rapides-Parish-Louisiana or http://www.lgs.lsu.edu/deploy/uploads/Summer_09_LGS_Newsletter.pdf King, D. T., Jr., and L. W. Petruny, 2008, Impact stratigraphy of the U.S. Gulf coastal states: Gulf Coast Association of Geological Societies Transactions. vol. 58, pp. 503-516. Georgia Deposits In Georgia, the source bed of Georgiaites has been located. It is "a patchy coarse-grained sand layer up to 10 cm thick that lies at the boundary between the Twiggs Clay and the underlying Middle Eocene Huber Formation.” It contains shocked quartz from the Chesapeake Bay impact. This sand layer, which is the basal layer of the Twiggs Clay, is a transgressive sheet sand consists of sand that has been redeposited, reworked, and bioturbated, Published papers and abstracts are: Harris, R. C., M. F. Roden, P. A. Schroeder, S. M. Holland, M. S. Duncan, and E. F. Albin, 2004, Upper Eocene impact horizon in east-central Georgia. Geology. vol. 32, no. 8, pp. 717-720; DOI: 10.1130/G20562.1 http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/32/8/717 Harris, R. S., M. S. Duncan, S. M. Holland, M. Steven, M. F. Roden, Michael, and P. A, Schroeder, 2002, Probable shocked quartz as evidence of for an Upper Eocene Impact Horizon in Coastal Plain, Warren County Georgia. Geological Society of America Abstracts with Programs. vol. 34, no. 6, pp. 402. http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2002AM/finalprogram/abstract_41931.htm http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2002AM/finalprogram/session_3270.htm Schroeder, P. ., and Harris, R. S., 2004, X-ray powder diffraction evidence for shocked quartz in an upper Eocene sand deposit, Warren County, Georgia, U.S.A. Southeastern Geology. vol. 42, pp. 145–150 Schreoder, P. A., R. S. Harris, M. F. Roden, M. Duncan, S. Mack, and S. M. Holland, 2002, 100% X-Ray Diffraction Evidence for Shocked Quartz in an Upper Eocene Sand Deposit, Warren County, Georgia. Geological Society of America Abstracts with Programs. vol. 34, no. 6, pp. 544. http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2002AM/finalprogram/abstract_38959.htm http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2002AM/finalprogram/session_3270.htm In addition, multi-lithic conglomerates and breccias, which are one to two meters thick have been reported from Georgia. These enigmatic conglomerates, occur between the middle Eocene Hawthorne Group and middle Miocene Altahama Formation. Although their origin is unknown, it has been suggested that they might be deposits related to the Chesapeake Bay impact. If so, they might contain ejecta from this impact (Cocker 2007, King and Petruny 2008). Additional studies of these conglomerates are definitely needed. References Cited: Cocker, M., 2007, Possible impact-related conglomeratic sediments in the upper coastal plain of southwestern Georgia. Geological Society of America Abstracts with Programs. vol. 39, no. 6, p. 311. http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2007AM/finalprogram/abstract_131779.htm King, D. T., Jr., and L. W. Petruny, 2008, Impact stratigraphy of the U.S. Gulf coastal states. Gulf Coast Association of Geological Societies Transactions. vol. 58, pp. 503-516. Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Will trade NASA/Apollo/Space memorabilia for meteorites
Hi Folks, I have a collection of assorted NASA items and memorabilia from the Apollo program, including newspapers from the Moon landings. I also have original NASA lithographs, promotional publications, and educational materials from the 1960's to the 1980's, covering everything from Apollo to Skylab to the Shuttle. I'd like to trade these for some meteorites. I have a list of the items available and photos available upon request. Contact me offlist with any offers - meteoritem...@gmail.com Best regards, MikeG PS - none of these items are signed by astronauts or flown. Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted to Buy - Kilo of Indochinites from US seller
Hi Listees, I need a good price on 1000g of common indochinites, preferably in small to medium sizes. I'm not picky about shapes and I just need the best price I can get. I'll pay for USPS Priority Med Flat Rate Box shipping to zipcode 33549. Contact me offlist at meteoritem...@gmail.com I can pay by PayPal right away. I need these quickly, so only sellers in the US should respond. Best regards and thanks in advance! MikeG PS - The Meteorite Top Sites list is growing! It is now up to 17 websites. Sign up now and increase your traffic and sales! --> http://meteorite.gotop100.com/ Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad- Berthoud , Colorado meteorite for sale
Hello list members, Patrick and I decided to cut the Berthoud meteorite not only to make it available to museums but also to the collector community. Recently I travelled to Malta, Montana to have long time friend and master meteorite cutter Marlin Cilz cut the Berthoud mass with his amazing wire saw. Marlin used a .3 mm diamond impregnated wire which is truly only the diameter of a course human hair. He did a fantastic job of making smooth cuts and generating minimal cut loss. In fact the cut loss was 20 grams and I got back 19.4 grams of dust from the saw. We are now selling slices of Berthoud. There are three slices to be divided and sold to collectors and two thick slices and the end cuts which we hope will go into museum collections. Patrick and I have decided to sell Berthoud for a price per gram comparable to Ibitira and far less than half the price of Puerto Lapice. Please contact us off-list for sizes and price quotes as well as pictures. Museums interested in tradin g for a piece of Berthoud please contact us off list at etmeteori...@hotmail.com Also, we will be trying to get a piece of Berthoud into the collection at the Denver Museum. We could use help learning who to contact at the museum. Thanks very much, Edwin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Red Rain
Hi, George, List, I hate to (red) rain on your parade, but this is nonsense and wishful thinking. Now, I am a very speculative individual and always willing to wander down an attractive Odd Idea Road, but the Red Rain Lane isn't one of them. It's bats' blood. The "Technology Review" is a popular science magazine published by MIT and here they are indulging in press release PopSci, triggered by the appearance of Wickramasinge and G. Lewis at a recent exobiology conference. It's bats' blood. Everything about it fits the case. First, you will note that the only terrestrial explanation mentioned in the article is blood. At the time many other explanations were proposed, including (after a while) bats' blood. (I might have been the first; don't know) The article says: "Instead, the rain water was filled with red cells that look remarkably like conventional bugs on Earth. What was strange was that Louis found no evidence of DNA in these cells which would rule out most kinds of known biological cells (red blood cells are one possibility but ought to be destroyed quickly by rain water)." This statement is riddled with factual errors. The cells do NOT "look remarkably like conventional bugs." They look EXACTLY like mammalian red blood cells, which is what they are. Mammalian red blood cells do NOT contain DNA. Period. Not in any mammalian species. Mammalian red blood cells have to be produced continually as the lifetime of a denucleated cell is weeks or months. Wickramasinge/Louis released electron micrographs of their cells. They do not merely resemble red blood cells (instead of bugs); they are identical. The photos would be accepted by any human pathologist as red blood cells (which bat erythrocytes greatly resemble). With dint of much Googling, I was able to find electron micrographs of the red cells of a few bat species. (How many specialists study bat red blood cells? Not very many.) Bat cells contain all the specific detail and structural oddities of the Red Rain cells. A PERFECT match, at least morphologically. The morphology of mammalian erythrocytes differ by species. Mouse deer have tiny spheres; camels have elongated ovals, and so on. Bat's blood is very strange mammalian blood. While we humans have red cells that take up a third to a half of the blood volume (20 or 30 trillion cells), bat blood is almost solid red cells with just enough serum to make it flow. The bat red cell is stiff, dense, and durable. they do not dissolve in water. The state of Kerala has immense bat populations. Why did they bleed out in the sky? Indian bats are plagued with a variety of hemorrhagic fevers which often decimate their populations. In an epidemic, tens of millions are infected. Sick bats fly (to eat and live) until they are too weak and erratic to fly any more. Hemorrhagic fevers cause increasing hemorrhage. They cause the victim to bleed from all parts of the body and through the skin. You bleed out everywhere. It's a ghastly image that most will never see, I hope. The afflicted bats would fly and struggle and they would rain their blood from every pore everywhere they went. These ill, vast "flights" of bats can no longer avoid the oncoming aircraft, which when healthy the radar-equipped bats have no problem with. "Louis says there were reports in the region of a sonic boom-type noise at the time, which could have been caused by the disintegration of an object in the upper atmosphere." Sonic booms? Well, duh! "The state has three major international airports at Thiruvananthapuram, Kochi, and Kozhikode, and the Cochin International Airport (COK) was the first Indian airport incorporated as a public limited company [private venture]... A fourth international airport is proposed at Kannur." This airspace is very busy, filled with passenger jetliners. Are we beginning to get the picture now? The sick and bleeding bats were shredded, at night (when they fly) by air traffic, violently, in addition to the peak blood loss that accompanies the disease. Dead bats in the jungle attract little notice, except from insect and other small scavengers in a hurry for a snack. This was the rainy season, and the blood was washed down by the frequent rains. There was not one Red Rain, but 2-3 nights of it (it was always at night). Most of the Red Rain samples were collected from rain barrels. We do not need Sherlock Holmes here. It's bats' blood. But, the mysterious cells continue to divide in raging hot oil (121 degrees C) under tremendous pressure, they say. My first question would be why Louis and Wickramasinghe thought the best primary test of extraterrestrial life would be to deep-fry it in a pressure cooker? (Aliens are advised to stay away from fried chicken and seafood shacks. Stay out of the kitchen.) Under those conditions, the erythrocytes would progressively disintegrate from within, splitting along the longitudinal plane into two flat discs that would look very much like the original single cell. Cou
[meteorite-list] ROCKS ON FIRE - full mailbox solved
Hello friends, the settings on my new computer had been changed without my knowledge which resulted in a filled up mailbox. For some of you this meant that your email to us has bounced back. This problem is now solved. We humbly apologise for any inconvenience caused. Please try again contacting us. Best regards from Down-Under, Norbert Kammel IMCA # 3420 www.rocksonfire.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hurricane Earl East Coast-OT
To All of our friends on the US east coast, Be safe with hurricane Earl bearing down on you! Looks like hurricane season is up and running with a vengence, four systems in the Atlantic as of now. Best Regards, Greg Hupe __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad main mass of NWA 4936 lunar for sale
Hello list members, I need to raise some quick cash and I have decided to let my 44.54 gram main mass of the lunar, feldspathic impact melt breccia go for the insanely low price of $350.00 a gram. I need money fast and this is the best way to go about it...make an offer that is difficult to refuse! You can refuse it, but an opportunity like this may not come around again for a long, long time. When was the last time you saw any classified lunar material for $350 a gram? Money can be made by the buyer at this price! Links to photos: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa4936.htm This link shows the 72 gram stone in the very first photo from the top before cutting to produce the 44.54 gram half stone+ that I am selling. This next link shows a photo of the cut and polished face of this stone: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_31_2008.html Interested parties please contact me off list at jack.schra...@cox.net. Also, at 6pm this evening I am listing a 77.3 gram fragment of the Whetstone Mountains main mass of 451.7 grams. This is the center fragment of the main mass and was produced naturally on impact. This material is extremely rare as you know and will grace the most worthy of meteorite collections. The auction runs for seven days and beginning at 6pm PST tonight and can be seen at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160475948861 Please remember, this link will not be active until 6pm tonight! Best wishes to all, Jack __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Red Rain-Why Smart People Believe Weird Things
Please note: he mentions meteorites in the first paragraph. http://www.michaelshermer.com/weird-things/excerpt/ Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes / try a membranebox
Hi Dave, Thanks for that, great looking cases! But i need them for slices say 15cm in diameter but not too deep. Ideally 15cm by 15/20cm by 5cm deep max. Thanks for the link though. Cheers Martin I know Your pain Martin :D I also search something for bigger slices in a min. double size of this http://www.polandmet.com/gfx_box/004a.jpg clear box, with foam inside lets say 10x12x2cm. Unfortunatelly noone make such boxes, and manufacturers are not interested to make bigger one. So we must use a) Rikers that are not hermetic, heavy, with irritate close system. b) expensive membrane boxes that also are not perfect (this "thing" on the center of each side of the box) We must be strong and wait for wonder. :) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: new fall
Dear list I hope everyone has an nice day, I received some nice fresh pieces from the new fall, who's interested contact me off the list, Photos are here : http://www.flickr.com/photos/34600...@n07 best regards Aid __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes / try a membrane box
Hi Dave, Thanks for that, great looking cases! But i need them for slices say 15cm in diameter but not too deep. Ideally 15cm by 15/20cm by 5cm deep max. Thanks for the link though. Cheers Martin On 1 September 2010 18:35, Dave Myers wrote: > Hello > Martin and R N Hartman > > Sports Memorabilia compaines like Carney Plastics Inc > http://commerce.idmi.net/ecommerce/catalog.asp?CID=123&key=&url=&CI=427 > > Sell very large, clear plastic cases up to the size to display "basketball, > football" size item" > > I think they also have large wall hanging cases 30"x30" or larger with shelfs. > > But there many others on the net, I like there's cause they have a mirro on > the > bottom or you can get them in black. Any case just follow the link ot type in > Sports memorabilia cases and you will see some cool display cases. > > dave myers > > > > > > > > > - Original Message > From: R N Hartman > To: martin goff ; > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 7:10:19 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes / try a membrane box > > Hello Martin, > > Saw your inquiry and I don't know how large your slices are but you might be > interested in checking out some of our larger size membrane boxes. Box sizes > with O.D. up to 150 x 300 mm for thin slices and 250 x 200 x 200 mm which > will > handle an iron individual up to 3371 g. although I did have a roundish 12 > pound > Canyon Diablo iron in one until we had an earthquake and it fell off the top > shelf of a bookcase onto the floor. For slices, we list recommended max. > sizes > for objects inside the box, but you can push that number if your specimen is > for > display and not a fragile object for transportation, which need the shock > absorbing engineering of the stretched membrane. The clear membrane suspends > the > specimen inside the box and you can look at it from both front and back at the > same time. Our business website lists all the dimensions (O.D. and I.D. of > boxes) at www.membranebox.com > > Ron Hartman > membrane...@earthlink.net > rhartma...@earthlink.net > > > > - Original Message - From: "martin goff" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:31 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes > > >> Thanks for all the responses off list and it seems that lots of you >> are having the same difficulties trying to find a suitable larger >> display box. No one seems to have any answers though regards where to >> get them from. I approached the manufacturers of the boxes i provided >> links to in my previous post and unfortunately they would need a >> minimum order of 100,000 units to make a larger box. Even though it >> seems quite a few people would be interested, not enough to place an >> order that size!! >> >> Oh well back to the drawing board and my larger iron slices will just >> have to stay languishing in their cozy dessicated boxes until i find a >> suitable solution! >> >> Cheers >> >> Martin >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
I'm considering extensive photograghs of my local deli meat
section...awesome breccias and crust on the turkey, then some very
considerable crust on the ham. The veining in the ham sort of flies in the
face of any further debate of such terrestrial history, althought the
brecciated turkey may in fact spark a lively discussion. But please, before
isotope analyisis is called for the resultant impactors, let's consider the
need. I, for one, will go with whatever conclusion we commonly have,
notwithstanding any anomalies, which, of course, we need not go into at this
point.
- Original Message -
From: "Rob Wesel"
To: "Martin Altmann" ;
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Funny you mention cheese Martin.
One of my self imposed edicts for buying is:
If the meteorite costs less per pound than filet mignon...skip dinner and
buy the stone.
Perhaps we should combine ideologies and use the cheesesteak as a model
http://www.greatwraps.com/Philly-cheesesteaks.jpg
Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/nakhladog
--
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971
- Original Message -
From: "Martin Altmann"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Hi Shawn,
I meant it totally seriously. Even I handling daily meteorites, and probably
because of my simple mind, have to do such visualizations from time to time,
and I wanted to express only, that for many if not most collectors (incl.
researchers),it really doesn't matter that much,
whether a meteorite is found in Sahara, Antarctica, USA or Burundi.
The meteorites from Sahara and especially the NWA are, were and will have
been always the most important source of meteoritic material of all times.
As that collecting hobby is about meteorites, why one shouldn't collect them
too?
You know, meteorites can tell to the collectors two stories.
One story is their Earthly story.
Their story how they felt, who owned them before, sometimes some curious
circumstances how they were found or how they felt, who has parts of them,
in which museums are parts of them, in how many books was written something
about them, were some scientific recoveries made for the first time on
them... etc.
This story is interesting for the collector, who likes historic meteorites
or pedigree specimens most.
The other story is,
what they have to tell us about the worlds out there, the solar system, how
sun, planets, Earth, life has formed.
For this story there it isn't important whether the stone bears a name or a
NWA-number.
Those meteorites are interesting for collectors with a fascination more for
space, science, the material itself.
I'd say, from my experience most collectors collect both kinds of
meteorites.
You're 8 months around - meteorite collecting exist for 200 years now.
("old timers" - guess I am a kind of, 30 years ago I purchased my first
one).
When I was young, pretty and full of hopes, I had the permanent choice of
only 300 different meteorites/locations. Most of them very laborious to get
into the collection, most of them available and/or affordable only in
bogey-sizes. Those roadbed-style chondrites, which you as collector get now
from NWA-wonderland ad libitum, they came at my times from Texas, Kansas,
New Mexico.. and they had cost not 30 nor 50$ but 1000 or 2000$ a kg.
Go just 10 years back. Something like a howardite, which you find sometimes
here offered on the list or on ebay at 5$/g - the people had to pay 400$ a
gram for it. And you had from the rare types almost nothing to choose from.
Acapulcoite? You're choice was simple. Monument Draw or Acapulco. One 800$,
the other 1200$/g - and not 30$.
NWA enabled me, that today I can have in my cupboard the complete asteroid
belt, as far as it is known today.
All types of rocks, all types of asteroids.
And now I can choose, even within the different classes, (sometimes even
within the parent body!)
as rare as they might be.
Now I can afford it! And I can afford it in sizes, that I don't need any
longer a magnifier and a lot of fantasy to imagine, that the pinpoint of
speck really could be a piece of the meteorite, I only know from books.
I even can collect now meteorite types, which weren't known to exist before.
Yes, Shawn, I even can have in my collection a variety of different rocks
from Planet Mars!
And I don't have to sell home and hearth anymore for getting a
fingernail-sized piece of that in my hands, what the heroes of my childhood
Armstrong, Aldrin, Collins brought back from up there!
Now Jane & John and everyone can afford a small piece of Moon.
Indeed Shawn, when I was in Tucson, the kilogram of cheese (and I mean
cheese, that kind with taste) in the supermarket was more expensive than a
kilogram of space rocks on the show! Of course it is a perversion,
but also extrem
Re: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes / try a membrane box
Hello Martin and R N Hartman Sports Memorabilia compaines like Carney Plastics Inc http://commerce.idmi.net/ecommerce/catalog.asp?CID=123&key=&url=&CI=427 Sell very large, clear plastic cases up to the size to display "basketball, football" size item" I think they also have large wall hanging cases 30"x30" or larger with shelfs. But there many others on the net, I like there's cause they have a mirro on the bottom or you can get them in black. Any case just follow the link ot type in Sports memorabilia cases and you will see some cool display cases. dave myers - Original Message From: R N Hartman To: martin goff ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 7:10:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes / try a membrane box Hello Martin, Saw your inquiry and I don't know how large your slices are but you might be interested in checking out some of our larger size membrane boxes. Box sizes with O.D. up to 150 x 300 mm for thin slices and 250 x 200 x 200 mm which will handle an iron individual up to 3371 g. although I did have a roundish 12 pound Canyon Diablo iron in one until we had an earthquake and it fell off the top shelf of a bookcase onto the floor. For slices, we list recommended max. sizes for objects inside the box, but you can push that number if your specimen is for display and not a fragile object for transportation, which need the shock absorbing engineering of the stretched membrane. The clear membrane suspends the specimen inside the box and you can look at it from both front and back at the same time. Our business website lists all the dimensions (O.D. and I.D. of boxes) at www.membranebox.com Ron Hartman membrane...@earthlink.net rhartma...@earthlink.net - Original Message - From: "martin goff" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes > Thanks for all the responses off list and it seems that lots of you > are having the same difficulties trying to find a suitable larger > display box. No one seems to have any answers though regards where to > get them from. I approached the manufacturers of the boxes i provided > links to in my previous post and unfortunately they would need a > minimum order of 100,000 units to make a larger box. Even though it > seems quite a few people would be interested, not enough to place an > order that size!! > > Oh well back to the drawing board and my larger iron slices will just > have to stay languishing in their cozy dessicated boxes until i find a > suitable solution! > > Cheers > > Martin > __ > Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday on TLC
Hello Steve, Would that be London, England you are filming in? If so, I am intrigued. Might one ask the purpose of your visit? Hope I haven't missed the latest UK fall :-) Regards, Kieron (Suffolk, UK) -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]on Behalf Of meteorh...@aol.com Sent: 31 August 2010 16:39 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday on TLC All, Greetings from Sunny London. Finally a break in our shooting of the second season of Meteorite Men, just in time to get home to watch some TV. Just as a quick heads up, Geoff and I are going to be guests on American Chopper this Thursday on TLC. For those who don't know, we get our meteorite bike from Orange County Choppers so it should be fun. Steve Arnold Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Martin Altmann" Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:48:18 To: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Shawn, I think, you can answer some of your questions by yourself. Outstretch your arm. On your extended arm look on the tip of your little finger. The finger nail of your pinky is the Earth. Imagine, your room has no walls - or go in the garden. 250 yards away from your fingernail, that's where the meteorites come from. So it's possibly not so important, where exactly on your fingernail they will hit. ...and as strained you'll squint your eyes, it's impossible to match a Shawn, a Mike, an Aziz, a Martin, a Bevan... on your nail :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 2010 03:25 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hello Listers, I was doing an Internet search today on meteorites and came across a write up about NWA meteorites. I would have to say it was a good write up considering there isn't much about the history of NWA's on the Internet. The write up covered topics from the NWA gold rush, to how this affected sales and peoples desert meteorite collections, and how NWA meteorites by some can be seen as inferior to other meteorites. All these points do bring up some interesting view points in the meteorite community. I wonder what peoples take is on NWA meteorites and how the classification works or doesn't work with some finds? Why I ask this is because some of the NWA meteorites on eBay are NWA xxx meteorites, meaning those meteorites haven't been classified and probably wont. Now to me for every NWA meteorite excluding the Lunar and Martian meteorites could be almost unique in its owe if there is only a select few people that get these stones classified, making the NWA meteorite market confusing and regulated by only classifying certain meteorites and disregarding others. And as for selling NWA meteorites how does one determine the price point when the TKW and location is unknown? Is it to be or not to be when collecting NWA meteorites. this draw back could affect the classification and make it more confusing compared to finds in the US and Europe. If I went to the Muffin strewn field and found some meteorites, I wouldn't have to get them classified because of the documentation of a fall being there. But on the other hand, if I went to Africa and found some meteorites I would be SOL and the only way I could know what the meteorite was is if I got it classified, which I am not sure how much that costs, but I bet it can be a pretty penny depending what your getting done on it. Now could this be a problem in some peoples eyes why they think NWA's might be questionable because locations cant be accountable? And from a collectors stand point what features does one collect NWA's? From my take it seems like that some NWA meteorite are unique in its own way by rarity or uniqueness cause of lack there of, and because of the way NWA's are collected, cant this affecting price point and investment for ones collection? Here is an abstract from the write up about NWA's NWAs: Second Class Meteorites? By Norbert Classen, May 2003 On the collector's market, the prices of most Northwest African meteorites are still dropping while witnessed falls and historic specimens are getting more expensive. Are NWA meteorites less valuable, or is it a subliminal form of chauvinism making some people treat them like second class meteorites? The NWA Dilemma In the late 1990s, an increasing number of meteorites from the hot deserts of northwest Africa hit the market, most of them having been recovered by so-called "nomads", i.e. by native people from Morocco and Western Sahara. After having acquired several meteorites at the local markets, the French
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday on TLC
A sneak preview of the Meteorite Men chopper can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exgh4R3AnoM -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 8/31/10, tett wrote: > From: tett > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday on > TLC > To: meteorh...@aol.com > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 4:35 PM > Steve, > > Now that is cool. My two passions are meteroties and > motorcycles. Both keep me in the poor house and you > can nevert have too many of either. Now combine in one > episode! > > Will see if I can get it taped from the States > > Cheers and Concratulations on your show. > > Mike Tettenborn > > On 31/08/2010 11:38 AM, meteorh...@aol.com > wrote: > > All, > > > > Greetings from Sunny London. Finally a break in > our shooting of the second season of Meteorite Men, just in > time to get home to watch some TV. > > > > Just as a quick heads up, Geoff and I are going to be > guests on American Chopper this Thursday on TLC. > > > > For those who don't know, we get our meteorite bike > from Orange County Choppers so it should be fun. > > > > Steve Arnold > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Martin Altmann" > > Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:48:18 > > To: > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR > NOT TO BE? > > > > Hi Shawn, > > > > I think, you can answer some of your questions by > yourself. > > > > Outstretch your arm. On your extended arm look on the > tip of your little > > finger. > > The finger nail of your pinky is the Earth. > > > > Imagine, your room has no walls - or go in the > garden. > > > > 250 yards away from your fingernail, that's where the > meteorites come from. > > > > > > So it's possibly not so important, where exactly on > your fingernail they > > will hit. > > > > > > ...and as strained you'll squint your eyes, > > it's impossible to match a Shawn, a Mike, an Aziz, a > Martin, a Bevan... on > > your nail :-) > > > > > > Best! > > Martin > > > > > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] > Im Auftrag von Shawn > > Alan > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 2010 03:25 > > An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT > TO BE? > > > > Hello Listers, > > I was doing an Internet search today > on meteorites and came across a write > > up about NWA meteorites. I would have to say it was a > good write up > > considering there isn't much about the history of > NWA's on the Internet. The > > write up covered topics from the NWA gold rush, to how > this affected sales > > and peoples desert meteorite collections, and how NWA > meteorites by some can > > be seen as inferior to other meteorites. All these > points do bring up some > > interesting view points in the meteorite community. I > wonder what peoples > > take is on NWA meteorites and how the classification > works or doesn't work > > with some finds? > > Why I ask this is because some of the > NWA meteorites on eBay are NWA xxx > > meteorites, meaning those meteorites haven't been > classified and probably > > wont. Now to me for every NWA meteorite excluding the > Lunar and Martian > > meteorites could be almost unique in its owe if there > is only a select few > > people that get these stones classified, making the > NWA meteorite market > > confusing and regulated by only classifying certain > meteorites and > > disregarding others. And as for selling NWA meteorites > how does one > > determine the price point when the TKW and location is > unknown? Is it to be or not to be when > collecting NWA meteorites. this draw back > > could affect the classification and make it more > confusing compared to finds > > in the US and Europe. If I went to the Muffin strewn > field and found some > > meteorites, I wouldn't have to get them > classified because of the > > documentation of a fall being there. But on the other > hand, if I went to > > Africa and found some meteorites I would be SOL and > the only way I could > > know what the meteorite was is if I got it classified, > which I am not sure > > how much that costs, but I bet it can be a pretty > penny depending what your > > getting done on it. > > Now could this be a problem in some > peoples eyes why they think NWA's might > > be questionable because locations cant be accountable? > And from a collectors > > stand point what features does one collect NWA's? From > my take it seems like > > that some NWA meteorite are unique in its own way by > rarity or uniqueness > > cause of lack there of, and because of the way NWA's > are collected, cant > > this affecting price point and investment for ones > collection? > > Here is an abstract from the write
[meteorite-list] Messenger Perspective
Just a "little" perspective for ya... http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100901.html Enjoy... Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Clear plastic display boxes / try a membrane box
Sorry if this reply posts twice! Cheers Martin -- Forwarded message -- From: martin goff Date: 1 September 2010 06:33 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes / try a membrane box To: R N Hartman Hi Ron, Greg and list, Thanks for that and I do use membrane boxes a lot but as they don't accommodate dessicant they don't work with my iron slices. I have tried and the specimens started to rust. The only fail safe way that works for me, where I live is to use the boxes I initially mentioned and sandwich dessicant between the foam under the specimen. Using clear tape these are then sealed. This gives a solution that not only looks good but has worked to preserve the specimens too. I have had specimens like this for years with no rust whatsoever. Also as the box is sealed the small amount of dessicant lasts indefinitely. I know Mike Farmer and Mirko Graul as well as others use the same boxes with the same results. Only thing is, they only come in the 2 smaller sizes. I need exactly the same thing but a lot bigger! Thanks for all the suggestions though and Ron don't think that I don't like membrane boxes as I do use them extensively. Cheers Martin Sent from my HTC Desire mobile phone. On 1 Sep 2010 00:10, "R N Hartman" wrote: > Hello Martin, > > Saw your inquiry and I don't know how large your slices are but you might be > interested in checking out some of our larger size membrane boxes. Box > sizes with O.D. up to 150 x 300 mm for thin slices and 250 x 200 x 200 mm > which will handle an iron individual up to 3371 g. although I did have a > roundish 12 pound Canyon Diablo iron in one until we had an earthquake and > it fell off the top shelf of a bookcase onto the floor. For slices, we list > recommended max. sizes for objects inside the box, but you can push that > number if your specimen is for display and not a fragile object for > transportation, which need the shock absorbing engineering of the stretched > membrane. The clear membrane suspends the specimen inside the box and you > can look at it from both front and back at the same time. Our business > website lists all the dimensions (O.D. and I.D. of boxes) at > www.membranebox.com > > Ron Hartman > membrane...@earthlink.net > rhartma...@earthlink.net > > > > - Original Message - > From: "martin goff" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:31 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes > > >> Thanks for all the responses off list and it seems that lots of you >> are having the same difficulties trying to find a suitable larger >> display box. No one seems to have any answers though regards where to >> get them from. I approached the manufacturers of the boxes i provided >> links to in my previous post and unfortunately they would need a >> minimum order of 100,000 units to make a larger box. Even though it >> seems quite a few people would be interested, not enough to place an >> order that size!! >> >> Oh well back to the drawing board and my larger iron slices will just >> have to stay languishing in their cozy dessicated boxes until i find a >> suitable solution! >> >> Cheers >> >> Martin >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Hi Shawn, Am in a hurry, Only some quick points.. >I wonder why some institutions don't except NWA meteorites anymore to be analyzed? No, I never heard of a classifying lab, which refused to analyze a meteorite, because it was an NWA. It happens, that weathered chondrites, hence the bulk of meteorites from Sahara, aren't accepted. But only, because the labs are completely overloaded with meteorites waiting to be classified. You must see, that before the hot desert rush, aside Antarctica, all labs together around the world had to classify per year not more than 30-50 new finds or so. Nowadays a single meteoriticist, if he's very active, classifies alone up to 200 stones a year. And if one would want to classify all NWAs, hence also the bulk of ordinary chondrites, one would have to make many thousands per year. Thus, there are not enough free capacities. That's the only reason. That then the researchers rather like to analyze the scientifically more thrilling types, the rare ones and the exotics, is understandable, cause they are more interesting and the chance to recover something unusual or even new is much higher, than to work on the 3000th H5, W3s and 2000th L6,W4s - and the ordinary chondrites all in all are meanwhile of course well researched, simply because they were all the centuries the most predominant group of finds. And finally a classification costs money. Thin sections cost 100$, a trained scientist to do the analyses let's say 100$/hour, the equipment isn't that cheap, a microprobe for instance costs 1-2 million $, the measuring hour 200$, if used So it's reasonable to give the preference to the more rare types, if the resources are limited. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. September 2010 07:51 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hello Martin and Listers, Thank you Martin for your post and the cheese bit. It got me to thinking and when I got out of the gym tonight, I had to buy some parmesan cheese. I love that stuff. I put it on everything, when I can afford it. But for some reason, cheese in NYC seems over priced, lets hope this doesn't happen with meteorites :) cause I will go broke with collecting every meteorite out there Just kidding, I have my select few meteorites that I collect, and from what I can tell, location, location, location plays a big role in the collecting side to the science side of meteorites. Perfect example, The first Lunar meteorite discovered outside of Antarctica, Calcalong Creek from Australia, by Robert Haag. From what I have read, a gram of that meteorite was selling for about $40,000. And now the race is on for the first person to discover the first Lunar meteorite in the US. And Martin you say location doesn't really matter, but it does, even on a scientific level. Now I bet if a scientist didn't know where the meteorite came from it would be harder for them to analyze the stone because of contamination which they didn't know about from where the meteorite came from. Or when it comes to field work, when people are looking over the strewn field they can predict how big the meteorite was, what angle it came in at, because of the useful information collected by people in the field. These elements are just as important in meterotic science as the meteorite its self. Almahata Sitta is a great example of how the location of the meteorite was just as important as the meteorite. Almahata Sitta is made up of many different meteorite classifications. Now if scientists didn't have the ability to document the location of the meteorite fall and just said "here are some meteorites but we don't have the location cause that doesn't matter" I wonder where we would be at with the many discoveries with the Almahata Sitta meteorite and countless other meteroites? Now you see how location can be the best for both worlds. I wonder why some institutions don't except NWA meteorites anymore to be analyzed? Is that because they are from NWA and nothing more, or is it that there isn't any regulation of how they are collected, or is that they cost too much money cause they are rare? I might have an idea why some institutions wont touch them but it really doesn't matter what I say but the fact of the matter is location might be the factor or the lack there of of why some institutions don't touch NWA's. Martin, you made a good point about how people collect. Some collect for the history side and others collect from the science side. I collect with both sides in mind. I think all the factors can play a great role in ones collection and how this collection can be of value from a scientific side, to a collectors side. I collect NWA's all the way to historic falls. But at the end of the day I want to know where my meteorites ca
[meteorite-list] Red Rain
Here's an interesting, though not definitive, article about the red rain in India and Panspermia. It's not a tabloid, but published by MIT. George http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25699/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones?
Hello Melanie and list, by some point, at least isotopicaly, H chondrites are suspected to be related to the silicated inclusions of some IIE siderite : M. J. Gaffey & S. L. Gilbert Asteroid 6 Hebe : The probable parent body of the H-Type ordinary chondrites and the IIE iron meteorites, Meteoritics & Planetary Science, Vol. 33, p. 1281 (1998). Fabien Fabien Kuntz Météorites (ventes, expertise, conférences) Animation scientifique et technique WWMETEORITES (Siret : 511 850 612 00017) www.wwmeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bristol Daytime Fireball? real or hoax?
Nothing reported to us so far (British and Irish Meteorite Society) .. which is strange, this image looks like it's done on photo shop to me?? Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of drtanuki Sent: 01 September 2010 04:07 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Global Meteor Observing Forum Subject: [meteorite-list] Bristol Daytime Fireball? real or hoax? Dear List, I have just posted: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/09/latest-worldwide-meteo rmeteorite-news.html Comments please. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection
Specimens from the 2nd Huss Collection are easy to recognize since they carry an ID of the following form (2)Hxxx.xxx Example here: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_parnallee.html A.M. The Tricottet Collection of Natural History Specimens (Minerals, Fossils & Meteorites) www.thetricottetcollection.com Facebook: The Tricottet Collection Twitter: TricottetColl > From: fuzzf...@comcast.net > To: parkforest...@hotmail.com; altm...@meteorite-martin.de > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:30:05 -0700 > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection > > Hello Bill, > > The "first" Huss Collection was built within the workings of American > Meteorite Laboratory as successor to the American Meteorite Museum > (Nininger). > > The Second Huss Collection was the personal collection of Glenn and > Margaret. I believe it was acquired by NHMV sometime in the 1980's. In the > Second Huss Collection of Meteorites (1986), Glenn states that it was > started in 1958 and was financed by personal funds. > > Since the AML was established in 1960, both collections ran in parallel for > a period of time. > > Cheers! > > -- > Mike Bandli > Historic Meteorites > www.HistoricMeteorites.com > and join us on Facebook: > www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 > IMCA #5765 > --- > > > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bill kies > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:13 PM > To: altm...@meteorite-martin.de > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection > > > Thanks Martin. Years ago I contacted Margaret Huss concerning the > disposition of Illinois meteorites from the Huss Collection. She refered me > to Ulrich Ott who then suggested I contact Dr. Jutta Zipfel. Dr. Zipfel was > so kind and helpful. She had an image made of the Toulon meteorite which is > in the MetBull. > > I wasn't aware there were two Huss collections. I thought the "first" was > the remainder of Niningers. Can anyone be more specific? > > Thanks again, > Bill > > > > > From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:15:55 +0200 > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection > > > > Well then, > > cause something went wrong here and the meteorite section of the Max > Planck > > Institute (MPI) was closed, > > then it should be today in the Nat.Hist. Museum in Frankfurt, where the > MPI > > collection is kept on permanent loan (but not on display) now. > > > > http://www.senckenberg.de/root/index.php?page_id=2688 > > > > (sorry only in German available). > > > > Martin > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von bill > > kies > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. August 2010 20:23 > > An: cspr...@islandnet.com > > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection > > > > > > I know a lot of the Huss collection went to the Max Planck Institute. It > may > > have been moved again since then. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:08:33 -0700 > > > From: cspr...@islandnet.com > > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection > > > > > > Hi Listers: > > > > > > Sure this has been discussed before but can't find it. Any idea what > > > happened to the 2nd meteorite > > > collection Glenn Huss built? Did it go as a complete set or was it > > > broken up and sold here and there? > > > Glenn had a 31.3 gram "polished fragment" of the Skiff Alberta (H4) > > > (his Cat # (2)H455.1). > > > I'm trying to find out where it landed up. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Chris. Spratt > > > Victoria, BC > > > > > > __ > > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ___
Re: [meteorite-list] Bristol Daytime Fireball? real or hoax?
Hello Dirk, To me, this looks more like a sun dog. Regards, Kieron -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]on Behalf Of drtanuki Sent: 01 September 2010 04:07 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Global Meteor Observing Forum Subject: [meteorite-list] Bristol Daytime Fireball? real or hoax? Dear List, I have just posted: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/09/latest-worldwide-meteormet eorite-news.html Comments please. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
