Re: [meteorite-list] Plowed up vs plowed under
Point of fact: meteorites tend to be "plowed up or dug up" far more than plowed under--well the larger ones anyway. Elton From: Meteorites USA To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 2:47:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this ... A good majority of the stones might be plowed under in the 3 years, but a good metal detector would suffice, __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: CA,AZ, NV,UT Meteor 24SEP2010
Dear List, Meteor detected in CA, AZ, and UT about one hour ago. Dirk Ross...Tokyo Chino Valley, Arizona meteor arizona 24 september 2010. 14:08:36 -- 25 seconds ago Hesperia, California Fireball September, 24 2010. 14:06:18 -- 2 minutes ago San Bernardino, California a meteor sightings sept 24 2010. 13:59:59 -- 9 minutes ago Los Angeles, California fireball sightings in inland empire california sept 24 2010. 13:55:56 -- 13 minutes ago Lakeside, California shooting star sightings sept. 24 2010. 13:43:38 -- 25 minutes ago Las Vegas, Nevada meteor in california on september 24, 2010. 13:36:18 -- 32 minutes ago Lake Hughes, California large meteor in West Sept 24 2010. 13:30:58 -- 38 minutes ago United States glowing fireball over mi sept 24 2010. 13:29:56 -- 39 minutes ago Goodyear, Arizona r Sep 24 2010 meteor sighting Phoenix Az 2010. 13:20:02 -- 48 minutes ago Chino Hills, California meteor september 24 2010. 13:16:16 -- 52 minutes ago __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 25, 2010
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show Meteorite Auction - call for submissions RSVP
Greetings all, As posted earlier, The 2011 Tucson Show will be Tucson Show: January 29 - February 13, 2011 The Tucson Meteorite Auction will be Sat, Feb 5th - All other meteorite events will be Wed 2nd , Thurs 3rd & Fri 4th. I am in the midst of accepting submission of specimens for the auction at the following commission rates, depending Upon when the list and JPGs arrive: Before Oct 15 = 10% of "hammer price" Oct. 15 through Oct. 31 = 11% Nov 1 through Nov. 14 = 12% Nov. 15 through Nov. 30 = 13% Dec. 1 through Dec. 14 = 14% Dec. 15 through Dec. 31 = 15% Jan 1 through Jan 15 = 17% Day of auction: 20% 5:30 to 6 PM 25% until 6:30 PM 30% until 7 PM 35% until 7:15 PM 40% after 7:15 PM Please send full descriptions and JPGs of your entries directly to Me. I will confirm (or decline) within 24hrs (far sooner, in most cases) Unless you make other arrangements with me, you or a friend should Deliver the items to the auction by 6:30. The auction will be in the same place as 6 of the 8 last years at the VFW hall on Beverly off Speedway (detailed directions included In the yet to be posted on line catalog. Online advertizing free via the catalog. The sooner you get your items in, the more exposure they will get and the lower your fee will be. I look foreword to seeing your beauties. RSPV Warm regards, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
Hi list, I am working on a batch of NWA 5363 (provisional) transmitted light Xpol images and the results are turning out very good. I was wondering what the current scoop on 5363 is. Any news of any other pairings than 6292? Does some one have the whole story on this? Thanks, Tom In a message dated 9/17/2010 11:31:09 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, p.mar...@sunrise.ch writes: Dear buyers of NWA 6292, dear list members, NWA 6292 IS paired to NWA 5400 ! Just got this info from Dr. A.J. Irving: Quote: "I received an analysis of the oxygen isotope composition of NWA 6292, which plots on the terrestrial fractionation line, thus confirming that this specimen is paired with NWA 5400." I just updated my "Achondrites fro sale" page, incl. NWA 6292 (BRA): http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id41.html Please note: Status of NWA 6292 is still provisional. Thank you, Peter Peter Marmet - IMCA #2747 Bern, Switzerland http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD- Ebay - ending tomorrow afternoon!
Hi everyone, I have couple listings finishing tomorrow afternoon on ebay. I reduced the price on the Sikhote Alins. I will not lower them anymore. I am now offering international shipping. Inquire me for shipping costs after the listing is over. Good luck everyone. Check the link to see the deals: http://shop.ebay.com/felipemiami/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 -- Felipe __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 5549
Dear list members, The "Algerian silicated Iron" as was commonly called has been accepted by the Nomenclature Committee as of Sept 21 and the official name for this meteorite is NWA 5549 and can be viewed here: (This link only works if you copy and paste it): http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=NWA+5549&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normal table&code=49248 Some of you have purchased slices of this meteorite from me and this is the official information and no longer a provisional designation. All the best, Jack __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this
Hi Mark, Thanks for the data. Yes meteorites may be waiting to be picked up. The more people that stay home the more meteorites for me to find! Sonny -Original Message- From: Marc Fries To: Meteorite-list List Sent: Fri, Sep 24, 2010 11:46 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this That's true, but people routinely recover meteorites that have been on the ground for longer than that. And not all of the apparent strewn field area is farmland - there is a fairly large amount of wooded area there that has not been plowed.One of the things that I find amusing about the Meteorite List is that when there is the real possibility that there are meteorites to be found, the list tends to go silent! I don't have a comment on that other than to say that it makes me chuckle.Cheers,Marc FriesOn Sep 24, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote:> Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this from a fall that occurred 3 1/2 years ago?> > Not that I am taking anything away from Marc's efforts, but if the stones have been the ground that long, I'd suspect that most have been plowed under several times and become well weathered. That might explain why there hasn't been any discussion so far.> > > --> Richard Kowalski> Full Moon Photography> IMCA #1081> > > --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Meteorites USA wrote:> >> From: Meteorites USA >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 11:06 AM>> Looks good! Good work Marc. Funny how>> all the so called meteorite people >> don't have a comment in 10 whole hours since your post. No>> yay, no >> nay... Just silence... LOL Maybe they're all packing>> they're bags or >> maybe already be in the field out there searching... ;)>> >> Regards,>> Eric>> >> On 9/24/2010 12:59 AM, Marc Fries wrote:>>> Howdy all,>>> >>> I'm quite pleased with this>> one. Looks like a very nice meteorite fall from recent>> radar data archives:>>> >>> http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/jacksonville-il-05-feb-07-0144-utc/>>> >>> Enjoy!>>> Marc Fries>>> __>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html>>> Meteorite-list mailing list>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>>> >>> >> __>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html>> Meteorite-list mailing list>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>> > > > > __> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listmeteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars' Mysterious Elongated Crater (Mars Express)
http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMDV9BO3DG_0.html Mars' mysterious elongated crater European Space Agency 27 August 2010 Orcus Patera is an enigmatic elliptical depression near Mars' equator, in the eastern hemisphere of the planet. Located between the volcanoes of Elysium Mons and Olympus Mons, its formation remains a mystery. Often overlooked, this well-defined depression extends approximately 380 km by 140 km in a NNE-SSW direction. It has a rim that rises up to 1800 m above the surrounding plains, while the floor of the depression lies 400-600 m below the surroundings. The term 'patera' is used for deep, complex or irregularly shaped volcanic craters such as the Hadriaca Patera and Tyrrhena Patera at the north-eastern margin of the Hellas impact basin. However, despite its name and the fact that it is positioned near volcanoes, the actual origin of Orcus Patera remains unclear Aside from volcanism, there are a number of other possible origins. Orcus Patera may be a large and originally round impact crater, subsequently deformed by compressional forces. Alternatively, it could have formed after the erosion of aligned impact craters. However, the most likely explanation is that it was made in an oblique impact, when a small body struck the surface at a very shallow angle, perhaps less than five degrees from the horizontal. The existence of tectonic forces at Orcus Patera is evident from the presence of the numerous 'graben', rift-valley-like structures that cut across its rim. Up to 2.5 km wide, these graben are oriented roughly easti-west and are only visible on the rim and the nearby surroundings. Within the Orcus Patera depression itself, the large graben are not visible, probably having been covered by later deposits. But smaller graben are present, indicating that several tectonic events have occurred in this region and also suggesting that multiple episodes of deposition have taken place. The occurrence of 'wrinkle ridges' within the depression proves that not only extensional forces, as would be needed to create graben, but also compressive forces shaped this region. The dark shapes near the centre of the depression were probably formed by wind-driven processes, where dark material excavated by small impact events in the depression has been redistributed. However, the presence of graben and wrinkle-ridges has no bearing on the origin of Orcus Patera, as both can be found all over Mars. The true origin of Orcus Patera remains an enigma. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
>Maybe not half, but a fair share... Ehm Eric, Something like that exists. The hunter gives 20%/20g to the state/university/museum of each stone, he wants to be classified. Where is the problem? If that's not enough, MetSoc shall change the rules globally. If we then have peace and quiet with all that laws menace, a dream for all sides would come true. I fear only, that some scientists in meteoritical developing countries wouldn't yet be mature enough for such a regulation. Note, that in many countries nobody cries for meteorite laws. Japan, England, Germany, Canada changed its policies, since then all are happy, France.. Do you realize something? Exactly, these are countries leading in meteorite research! They know why they need no laws! And who has introduced more recently meteorite laws? China, Argentina, Algeria, Poland All countries, where no or not anymore meteorite research exist. Can this correlation be random only? Ehm, and that's why I'm somewhat worried, if I hear, that in USA restrictions are planned. I guess, that is then a case, where the U.S. meteorite researchers should raise an alarm. You over there have such a nice curve in the graph finds/year - up, up and away. How fast that can crash, you see on Australia. (hmm, when meteorites from the stock of the institutes are consumed for research is then something like a negative annual find rate possible?) ;-) Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Meteorites USA Gesendet: Freitag, 24. September 2010 22:54 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite? Mike, again, I agree 100% with your statements below... Including this one. "...to prevent further regulation of meteorites, is to act like professionals, conduct ourselves as good honest people, and be generous with our finds to science and outreach..." I agree to the extent that the "professionalism" is not outwieghed at any point by "political correctness". Honesty and transparency is key here. This can be accomplished with a professional group of individuals including the scientists, professional meteorite hunters, collectors, educators, and the public at large. Since I probably ruffled some feathers of some people with my last post on one side of the fence, I'll make it equal and this might irritate the meteorite hunters a bit too. My suggestion is to share. That's always been my philosophy, and that the way I believe it should be done to progress the science and the interest in meteorites.. Some professional hunters don't like that.. I don't blame them, change is hard. But at the same time we want to hunt on federal land too. To do that we must give something to get something. However we should NOT give up our rights to hunt! That's why a propose a percentage share contract with the government with regard to hunting on federal land. If you, as a professional meteorite hunter find a meteorite on federal land, you do have a point that you spent your money and resources and effort to recover that stone. But, at the same time the government is allowing you to hunt there by simply governing the land you're hunting on. A share is fair and in order if this is to move forward and any progress is to be made. Split it Ouch! I know, hunters are probably thinking "WHAT!? I spent my time and money to find it, and you want me to give half to the government?" Maybe not half, but a fair share... What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I really don't know what that means, but it seems appropriate. You can't point the finger at one without pointing the finger at yourself too. As a professional meteorite hunter, private researcher, or scientist, we all have a responsibility to recover meteorites responsibly. This includes hunting WITH permission on land you don't own, being respectful, courteous and fair of the landowner, fill dig holes, and share what you find with those that allow you to hunt. Whether they are private landowners or the government of the USA. People can argue "the rule of law" all day long. But it comes down to one thing. Give a little bit... We'll all probably be better off for it. Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 1:06 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Here is a problem we face in a nation like America. On the one hand, > we like to keep any government regulation to a minimum, but on the > other hand, we often defer to (or call out for) government > clarification (regulation) when it comes to private matters. > > We wouldn't be seeing a "need" or "case" for regulation if people on > all sides of the equation would behave like rational human beings. > But we have people who driven by profit and people who are driven by > ego, and this occurs on both the public and private side of the issue. > This leads to unnecessary
Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
Hi Eric, >Yet if they lived back in the days of Nininger, they might have condemned him They did! Some of them. Imagine, how USA meteoritically would look today, if then such laws would have been in force! Uuuh, TCU would be empty. Monnig was a private collector. No Chicago. Ward was dealer. New York empty. No UCLA, no New Mexico - and most probably no ANSMET, simply because there wouldn't be the knowledge, the university departments, the tradition and infrastructure of that science branch! Huh and we in Europe! Not only cause we bought the collections of the treasure hunters and dealers Nininger and Huss. Vienna, Mecca of meteorites - they would own with luck a couple of dozen pieces from the k&k-empire. London empty. Paris orphaned. Chladni would have been a criminal, Schreibers a fence, Daubree a spiv, Cohen and Tschermak in jail...whether we would know, what meteorites are at all? Maybe yes - Vatican collection! - cause the Pope in Rome could have claimed legal ownership on all these rocks, Cause they come from heaven. >is a bogus BS misleading attempt to deflect and >misinform the public of what professional meteorite hunters actually do Hmmm, but more problematic could be, I think, that some of these do really believe in the own "BS" they tell. And among these are some, again worse, who are not willing to learn or to be better informed. But on the other hand, I think with that laws mess, as unsatisfying it is, if one has to try to cope with that and to work in the field or in the lab, how you say in English for - nothing will be eaten so hot like it was cooked? - it seems that not so many care about at all. How many meteorites so far ended in court? Let's take USA. Forest City, Old Woman, Willamette, Lorton, (Sylacauga?), any else? And in many cases it were rather quarrels among private parties, who should be the owner. Hence the usual greed-$$$-thing. And once hunters were caught by a scared gun women, cause they dared to trespass her property... Ah, I have my meteorite literature not at hand - weren't there also some kids, who found on a playground or a public sports field a meteorite? And where first the township wanted to keep it, but then the Solomonian decision was felt, that the stone shall be turned into cash and the money should be used to pay the college for the kids? Well, we talk daily about meteorites here on the list, but we're quite the only ones, who do so :-) And to me it seems, that also the scientists have arranged with the situation and that sometimes ridiculous hysteria and take some liberties with that laws mess, because they know exactly, that there wouldn't be any advance without the hunters and they are grateful, that they're doing that job. (And I guess, in case, the Smithonian has enough work to do with the Antarctics - what should they do with a scientifically boring ordinary chondrite like Lorton, not to mention a strongly weathered Nevada H5...) Hey, hadn't Jeff recently reported that the - ooops I almost wrote "owner" - holder of that new Australian meteorite, was it Cunnamulla(?) was allowed by Bevan et al to keep two slices and to get an export permit for them, although by the federal law the meteorite belongs to the state? See I there the dawn of a Perestroika in Australia? Very well so! But don't stop - and the Kingdom of Heaven soon will be yours! Huh just yesterday I looked for some of these regional Aussie meteorite laws. Some are too funny. Some say, the finder is compelled to announce and to deliver the meteorite to the museum and will get compensated the costs of the deliverance. (Hmm at least I would then eat 3 days nothing and would then visit an expensive restaurant on the way to the museum). Anyway, some of them are highly antiquated, fossils from pre-desert times and could need a face-lift. But also some let the possibility open for a reward. How about 80% of the stone Well all in all - I think today no modern scientist or curator, at least if he is specialized in meteorites and has the competence and experience in his field, would bring someone to court for the "crime" to have recovered a new meteorite. But a higher legal certainty and a sound legal protection, for the private heroes recovering all these meteorites for us and for their nations, like the Count says, would be highly desired and necessary. (Except in Bavaria, here we need definitely no clarification nor meteorite laws. Cause here are living civilized people of good reason, of course it may sound somewhat old-fashioned, not to say behind the times, but imagine: We ALL here are still excited and extremely happy whenever a new meteorite is found!!!) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Meteorites USA Gesendet: Freitag, 24. September 2010 21:43 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteor
Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
Mike, again, I agree 100% with your statements below... Including this one. "...to prevent further regulation of meteorites, is to act like professionals, conduct ourselves as good honest people, and be generous with our finds to science and outreach..." I agree to the extent that the "professionalism" is not outwieghed at any point by "political correctness". Honesty and transparency is key here. This can be accomplished with a professional group of individuals including the scientists, professional meteorite hunters, collectors, educators, and the public at large. Since I probably ruffled some feathers of some people with my last post on one side of the fence, I'll make it equal and this might irritate the meteorite hunters a bit too. My suggestion is to share. That's always been my philosophy, and that the way I believe it should be done to progress the science and the interest in meteorites.. Some professional hunters don't like that.. I don't blame them, change is hard. But at the same time we want to hunt on federal land too. To do that we must give something to get something. However we should NOT give up our rights to hunt! That's why a propose a percentage share contract with the government with regard to hunting on federal land. If you, as a professional meteorite hunter find a meteorite on federal land, you do have a point that you spent your money and resources and effort to recover that stone. But, at the same time the government is allowing you to hunt there by simply governing the land you're hunting on. A share is fair and in order if this is to move forward and any progress is to be made. Split it Ouch! I know, hunters are probably thinking "WHAT!? I spent my time and money to find it, and you want me to give half to the government?" Maybe not half, but a fair share... What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I really don't know what that means, but it seems appropriate. You can't point the finger at one without pointing the finger at yourself too. As a professional meteorite hunter, private researcher, or scientist, we all have a responsibility to recover meteorites responsibly. This includes hunting WITH permission on land you don't own, being respectful, courteous and fair of the landowner, fill dig holes, and share what you find with those that allow you to hunt. Whether they are private landowners or the government of the USA. People can argue "the rule of law" all day long. But it comes down to one thing. Give a little bit... We'll all probably be better off for it. Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 1:06 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: Hi Folks, Here is a problem we face in a nation like America. On the one hand, we like to keep any government regulation to a minimum, but on the other hand, we often defer to (or call out for) government clarification (regulation) when it comes to private matters. We wouldn't be seeing a "need" or "case" for regulation if people on all sides of the equation would behave like rational human beings. But we have people who driven by profit and people who are driven by ego, and this occurs on both the public and private side of the issue. This leads to unnecessary conflicts over catalyst events that should never have taken place to start with. Case in point, access to the Bar-T-Bar Ranch land around Meteor Crater. We wouldn't see the current hard-line stance against prospectors if those same prospectors had not left cattle gates wide open, deep holes unfilled, and trash on the land they were searching. And if we didn't have big egos disregarding logic, then we wouldn't see the current hard-line stance against private involvement by institutions and museums. Both sides, private and public, are giving the opposing side ammunition to fight with, when it reality, there should be no conflict in the first place. It's like how we hate getting pulled over for a ticket for speeding because it's necessary to keep the highways safe from people who might do more than our own self-rationalized speeding. The same people who curse the cop who writes the ticket, will call that same cop in a hurry if an armed gang is invading their home. We don't want the government, yet we can't seem to get along with each other without it. The best thing we could do, as private individuals, to prevent further regulation of meteorites, is to act like professionals, conduct ourselves as good honest people, and be generous with our finds to science and outreach. If profit is the focus of our activities then the government is always going to come knocking with it's hand out and the regulation pen in the other hand. Best regards, MikeG PS - no government or entity created in modern human history "owns" a meteorite. It's a 4+ billion year old relic of creation itself. Any where it decides to drop in is decided by luck and chance, and anyone who claims ownership of it is merely in denial over the fact that
Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
Mike G Wrote: If profit is the focus of our activities then the government is always going to come knocking with it's hand out and the regulation pen in the other hand. I could not agree more. This is one of the reasons that I am so vocal about all of the media attaching seriously overinflated price tags to every meteorite instead of balancing the subject with other more important attributes. The price doesn't need to be mentioned at all unless unwanted attention is the desired result. A meteorite can carry its own weight without attaching a ridiculously high price tag to it in public. Unfortunately, putting up a price tag and playing the sound of the cash register drawer opening is a very cheap yet effective way to improve viewership, especially in an economic downturn. In my opinion, it is very irresponsible but may be good for ratings, just not the hobby. You notice that professionally done series like Chasing Mummies doesn't attach price tags to anything found. They do not need too. The treasure hunt, history and culture are all that is needed to keep an audience interested. They also inform the viewer of the laws concerning the antiquities so that a free-for-all doesn't break out. Lately, most of the people coming forward with suspected meteorites seem to be only attracted the monetary aspect of it, thinking they are lying everywhere like an Easter Egg hunt, ready for the picking. Happy Hunting while you still can, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] video 3 of "Event 3" 21SEP2010 NM TX CO Bolide event posted
Here is the link to the 3rd video: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/09/video-3-texas-new-mexico-colorado.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
Hi Folks, Here is a problem we face in a nation like America. On the one hand, we like to keep any government regulation to a minimum, but on the other hand, we often defer to (or call out for) government clarification (regulation) when it comes to private matters. We wouldn't be seeing a "need" or "case" for regulation if people on all sides of the equation would behave like rational human beings. But we have people who driven by profit and people who are driven by ego, and this occurs on both the public and private side of the issue. This leads to unnecessary conflicts over catalyst events that should never have taken place to start with. Case in point, access to the Bar-T-Bar Ranch land around Meteor Crater. We wouldn't see the current hard-line stance against prospectors if those same prospectors had not left cattle gates wide open, deep holes unfilled, and trash on the land they were searching. And if we didn't have big egos disregarding logic, then we wouldn't see the current hard-line stance against private involvement by institutions and museums. Both sides, private and public, are giving the opposing side ammunition to fight with, when it reality, there should be no conflict in the first place. It's like how we hate getting pulled over for a ticket for speeding because it's necessary to keep the highways safe from people who might do more than our own self-rationalized speeding. The same people who curse the cop who writes the ticket, will call that same cop in a hurry if an armed gang is invading their home. We don't want the government, yet we can't seem to get along with each other without it. The best thing we could do, as private individuals, to prevent further regulation of meteorites, is to act like professionals, conduct ourselves as good honest people, and be generous with our finds to science and outreach. If profit is the focus of our activities then the government is always going to come knocking with it's hand out and the regulation pen in the other hand. Best regards, MikeG PS - no government or entity created in modern human history "owns" a meteorite. It's a 4+ billion year old relic of creation itself. Any where it decides to drop in is decided by luck and chance, and anyone who claims ownership of it is merely in denial over the fact that they are a temporary caretaker at best. -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 9/24/10, Steve Dunklee wrote: > I agree and support the Count in his wish for clear laws on ownership of > found meteorites. I guess that as what I was really trying to say. I was > also supprised this did not come up when there was a fund started to give a > meteorite to the school. When meteorites were found on school property. > Cheers Steve > > On Fri Sep 24th, 2010 3:22 PM EDT Greg Hupe wrote: > >>Hi Guido and List, >> >>I had a question/thought about this topic as well. Since farmers operate on >> BLM land through a lease agreement with the state, wouldn't their lease >> dictate that any meteorites found on top "of the earth" of the leased >> property belong to the farmers, as the Lorton case may suggest? If this is >> accurate and/or law, I would think that any meteorites found "under the >> earth" of a farmer's leased BLM land would be open game to the finders, >> unless said BLM was off limits to meteorite collecting. Does this sound >> accurate as far as the current BLM lands where it is still 'legal' to hunt >> on BLM land? If BLM land becomes 'illegal' to hunt for meteorites, >> wouldn't it still be legal to hunt on BLM land if hunters get written >> permission (basically a permit) from the farmers who lease the land from >> the BLM? Hunters could then hunt on the leased portion and any meteorites >> found "on top of the earth" would be 'legal' to keep! I guess this >> reasoning boils down to the > wording the BLM/farmer lease agreement has regarding any minerals, objects, > meteorites, artifacts, etc. making any such materials stay the property of > the state, or if not mentioned, than the assumption would be that the farmer > has the right to 'farm' these materials. >> >>Just some thoughts to ponder... >> >>Best regards, >>Greg >> >> >>Greg Hupe >>The Hupe Collection >>NaturesVault (eBay) >>gmh...@htn.net >>www.LunarRock.com >>IMCA 3163 >> >>Click here for my current eBay auctions: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >> >>- Original Message - From: >>To: "Steve Dunklee" ; ; >> >>Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:02 PM >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns t
[meteorite-list] trying to contact allen shaw
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Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
I agree and support the Count in his wish for clear laws on ownership of found meteorites. I guess that as what I was really trying to say. I was also supprised this did not come up when there was a fund started to give a meteorite to the school. When meteorites were found on school property. Cheers Steve On Fri Sep 24th, 2010 3:22 PM EDT Greg Hupe wrote: >Hi Guido and List, > >I had a question/thought about this topic as well. Since farmers operate on >BLM land through a lease agreement with the state, wouldn't their lease >dictate that any meteorites found on top "of the earth" of the leased property >belong to the farmers, as the Lorton case may suggest? If this is accurate >and/or law, I would think that any meteorites found "under the earth" of a >farmer's leased BLM land would be open game to the finders, unless said BLM >was off limits to meteorite collecting. Does this sound accurate as far as the >current BLM lands where it is still 'legal' to hunt on BLM land? If BLM land >becomes 'illegal' to hunt for meteorites, wouldn't it still be legal to hunt >on BLM land if hunters get written permission (basically a permit) from the >farmers who lease the land from the BLM? Hunters could then hunt on the leased >portion and any meteorites found "on top of the earth" would be 'legal' to >keep! I guess this reasoning boils down to the wording the BLM/farmer lease agreement has regarding any minerals, objects, meteorites, artifacts, etc. making any such materials stay the property of the state, or if not mentioned, than the assumption would be that the farmer has the right to 'farm' these materials. > >Just some thoughts to ponder... > >Best regards, >Greg > > >Greg Hupe >The Hupe Collection >NaturesVault (eBay) >gmh...@htn.net >www.LunarRock.com >IMCA 3163 > >Click here for my current eBay auctions: >http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > >- Original Message - From: >To: "Steve Dunklee" ; ; > >Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:02 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite? > > >> Steve said "...it must belong to the school." >> >> I respectfully disagree with this statement and with the statement " ...it >> belongs to the Smithsonian." >> >> Public schools do not in themselves "own" property. The lands and >> improvements are typically the assets of local, or state government (i.e.. >> the citizens of that county, or state.) Their maintenance and operation are >> usually governed by an elected Board of Trustees. They, if made aware, would >> most probably decide the disposition of a find. >> >> Federal lands, including National Parks, Wilderness Areas, Mining Claims, >> Restricted Areas and lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management are >> subject to a hodge podge of regulations that directly, or indirectly affect >> the taking of meteorites. There is no "all encompassing directive that says >> all meteorites on all Federally held land "belongs" to the Smithsonian. >> >> Consider a " mining claim" or a "homestead" being proved up. There are many >> other examples...including the "issuance of a permit to hunt meteorites >> specifically on Federal, or State lands." Something I have personal >> experience with having recently joined with the permit holder to search >> ;ands off limits to those without a permit. >> >> Finally, in many states, Nevada being one, I have seen metorites considered >> minerals and as those mineral rights are with held from fee simple ownership >> of land. Therefore, the land owner has no right to the minerals on his own >> land. He must is sublect to complicated state mining and oil exploration law. >> >> This whole business is messy and arbitrary and can lead to no good. I would >> like the meteorite community to develop a lobbying arm to educate state and >> federal lawmakers and monitor and promote legislation that protects us >> before, not after, our activities are banned. >> >> Please spare us the arguments that it is expensive, etc. etc. >> >> Regards, >> >> Count Deiro >> IMCA 3536 >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >>> From: Steve Dunklee >>> Sent: Sep 24, 2010 11:05 AM >>> To: almi...@localnet.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite? >>> >>> Ownership of meteorites is pretty clear in United States law. The owner of >>> a meteorite is the land owner. If one falls on my land it is mine. If one >>> falls on your land it is yours. If one falls on federal land it belongs to >>> the Smithsonian. So if one lands in a school yard it must belong to the >>> school. Other countrys may have different law. Cheers Steve Dunklee >>> >>> On Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 12:48 AM EDT almi...@localnet.com wrote: >>> Hi Ron and all, If this is going to be the case, if you get a permit to hunt federal lands then you are being granted a lease to hunt and all material should belong >>
Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
I would agree 100% with the Count on this one! I'm sick and tired of listening to the rhetoric of the naysaying jerks and lazy brained elitists who don't recover meteorites or would make them off-limits to everyone but themselves. The problem with these idiots are that they are selfish egotists who want to hoard the meteorites for museums, and MISLEAD the public into believing that's the way it should be by claiming that meteorite hunters are bad, and that they are "preserving history and culture". Their propaganda is that "meteorite hunters are damaging the science. Let us protect that science." Yet they forget that if it weren't for professional private sector meteorite hunters their precious collections wouldn't exist! More than HALF of their "fresh" meteorites were most likely recovered by professional private sector meteorite hunters who got there before any rain or weathering could take place. Their argument is a crock! and everyone knows it, but people are afraid to ruffle feathers, make waves, or step on toes. "Shh..." people say, "...it'll go away if we don't say anything..." Yeah, our "rights" will go away if we don't do something together, as a group of responsible and professional meteorite hunters, scientists, enthusiasts, collectors, and hobbyists. The propaganda argument is a bogus BS misleading attempt to deflect and misinform the public of what professional meteorite hunters actually do, and completely ignores the fact that most of the meteorites that make up institution collections today are there BECAUSE professional meteorite hunters made them available! The same people that profess Nininger was a great man, also love to surf on his legendary and groundbreaking science. They attach themselves to Nininger like leeches, and say "look at us" we love Nininger. Yet if they lived back in the days of Nininger, they might have condemned him just as they seem to be condemning modern day meteorite hunters now. Hypocrites all! These are most probably the same people that would have everything governed "by the state" and not "by the people, for the people". I thought this was America. There is no meteorite law. There's only a misinterpretation of the Act that the BLM hangs it hat on. There is no language anywhere (that I can find) in all the statutes, regulations, and law that states the Smithsonian is entitled to meteorites found on federal land. (it's only in on BLM sites and publications the BLM produces) I stated a LONG time ago that there was a group that could be formed very easily that would gather together the public, scientists and the professional meteorite hunters in a unified association that could very well protect the rights we know are granted us as American citizens. There is a happy medium agreement that can be made that will benefit both public science, and the private sector. SHARE! That's all that needs to be done. Share with the people, and do it for the people. Share with scientists, share with hunters, share with the public, educate and inform! We either do it or we don't... Don't whine, bitch or moan about it later when we can't hunt if we don't do something about it now. Unless we come together I'm afraid our laws might go the way of other countries who's laws restrict the recovery of meteorites, and that my friends will stifle the science we love so... Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 12:02 PM, countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Steve said "...it must belong to the school." I respectfully disagree with this statement and with the statement " ...it belongs to the Smithsonian." Public schools do not in themselves "own" property. The lands and improvements are typically the assets of local, or state government (i.e.. the citizens of that county, or state.) Their maintenance and operation are usually governed by an elected Board of Trustees. They, if made aware, would most probably decide the disposition of a find. Federal lands, including National Parks, Wilderness Areas, Mining Claims, Restricted Areas and lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management are subject to a hodge podge of regulations that directly, or indirectly affect the taking of meteorites. There is no "all encompassing directive that says all meteorites on all Federally held land "belongs" to the Smithsonian. Consider a " mining claim" or a "homestead" being proved up. There are many other examples...including the "issuance of a permit to hunt meteorites specifically on Federal, or State lands." Something I have personal experience with having recently joined with the permit holder to search ;ands off limits to those without a permit. Finally, in many states, Nevada being one, I have seen metorites considered minerals and as those mineral rights are with held from fee simple ownership of land. Therefore, the land owner has no right to the minerals on his own land. He must is sublect to complicated state mining and oil exploratio
[meteorite-list] POP QUIZ ANSWER
Hello Listers, Thank you for who decided to submit your answers to the Pop quiz. If you were able to make it through the fake questions good job. Question: Which meteorite fall/s had an out come where the meteorite/s landed within 2 miles of each other in a 11 year time period. Answer: Wethersfield 1971 and Wethersfield 1982 Great link about these 2 falls http://books.google.com/books?id=vW3yqq6cLaIC&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=wethersfield+meteorite+1971&source=bl&ots=9eZCFw6nlr&sig=RMi7iYs7rxCfHx8RypEw5prIJko&hl=en&ei=dTScTMXLBYTGlQef24mYCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q=wethersfield%20meteorite%201971&f=false Robert was the 5th Lister to email me the correct answer. He will be receiving a copy of Rocks from Space. It was given to me as a gift. However, I have a copy already and thought that gifting it to someone on the List would be cool cause this book ROCKS :) and I know that any Lister would dig having a copy. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] POP QUIZShawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com Thu Sep 23 22:58:23 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Mifflin stone value from ebay auction Next message: [meteorite-list] large expansion of fine website with global images and sensible ideas re Holocene ice comet fragment impacts: Pierson Barretto: Rich Murray 2010.09.24 Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hello Listers, The name of the game is guess that meteorite/s The winner will receive a copy of Rocks from Space. Question/s Tell me the first meteorite that was discovered and can be dated from a precise date? What is the old meteorite that has been on the Earth the longest? Tell me the first meteorite that Nininger found? In what year did the first meteorite fall happen in the USA? Who coined the word hammer stone and why? Please list in order all the pop quizzes I have done this year and list all the questions and answers for me. In what year was the turning point that proved meteorites did fall from space? If you have read this far then great job cause the only question you have to answer is the one below. Which meteorite fall/s had an out come where the meteorite/s landed within 2 miles of each other in a 11 year time period. The 5th Lister to email me off the list with the correct answers will win the book. Good Luck Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Mifflin stone value from ebay auction Next message: [meteorite-list] large expansion of fine website with global images and sensible ideas re Holocene ice comet fragment impacts: Pierson Barretto: Rich Murray 2010.09.24 Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this
Hiya, Pursuant to Eric's email, I wish to give this---and all of Marc's efforts---a very big YAY! Terrific work, Marc, on an event that clearly merited revisitation . Wishing everyone a terrific weekend, From a sadly desk-tethered soul Begin forwarded message: From: Meteorites USA Date: September 24, 2010 2:06:47 PM EDT To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this Looks good! Good work Marc. Funny how all the so called meteorite people don't have a comment in 10 whole hours since your post. No yay, no nay... Just silence... LOL Maybe they're all packing they're bags or maybe already be in the field out there searching... ;) Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 12:59 AM, Marc Fries wrote: Howdy all, I'm quite pleased with this one. Looks like a very nice meteorite fall from recent radar data archives: http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/jacksonville-il-05-feb-07-0144-utc/ Enjoy! Marc Fries __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Denver Dealers - Thank You
To all the Denver dealers I interviewed. A great big thank you! I got some great video of advice for new collectors that will help bring in new collectors and keep them. I'll be putting the footage together for a orientation video that should help the industry as a whole. As to the second video, the Spoof project, Thank you all who participated in that. All I can say now, is I damn near laughed my butt off in reviewing the footage. Give me a few months to edit that up properly and release it. -mt __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
Hi Guido and List, I had a question/thought about this topic as well. Since farmers operate on BLM land through a lease agreement with the state, wouldn't their lease dictate that any meteorites found on top "of the earth" of the leased property belong to the farmers, as the Lorton case may suggest? If this is accurate and/or law, I would think that any meteorites found "under the earth" of a farmer's leased BLM land would be open game to the finders, unless said BLM was off limits to meteorite collecting. Does this sound accurate as far as the current BLM lands where it is still 'legal' to hunt on BLM land? If BLM land becomes 'illegal' to hunt for meteorites, wouldn't it still be legal to hunt on BLM land if hunters get written permission (basically a permit) from the farmers who lease the land from the BLM? Hunters could then hunt on the leased portion and any meteorites found "on top of the earth" would be 'legal' to keep! I guess this reasoning boils down to the wording the BLM/farmer lease agreement has regarding any minerals, objects, meteorites, artifacts, etc. making any such materials stay the property of the state, or if not mentioned, than the assumption would be that the farmer has the right to 'farm' these materials. Just some thoughts to ponder... Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: To: "Steve Dunklee" ; ; Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite? Steve said "...it must belong to the school." I respectfully disagree with this statement and with the statement " ...it belongs to the Smithsonian." Public schools do not in themselves "own" property. The lands and improvements are typically the assets of local, or state government (i.e.. the citizens of that county, or state.) Their maintenance and operation are usually governed by an elected Board of Trustees. They, if made aware, would most probably decide the disposition of a find. Federal lands, including National Parks, Wilderness Areas, Mining Claims, Restricted Areas and lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management are subject to a hodge podge of regulations that directly, or indirectly affect the taking of meteorites. There is no "all encompassing directive that says all meteorites on all Federally held land "belongs" to the Smithsonian. Consider a " mining claim" or a "homestead" being proved up. There are many other examples...including the "issuance of a permit to hunt meteorites specifically on Federal, or State lands." Something I have personal experience with having recently joined with the permit holder to search ;ands off limits to those without a permit. Finally, in many states, Nevada being one, I have seen metorites considered minerals and as those mineral rights are with held from fee simple ownership of land. Therefore, the land owner has no right to the minerals on his own land. He must is sublect to complicated state mining and oil exploration law. This whole business is messy and arbitrary and can lead to no good. I would like the meteorite community to develop a lobbying arm to educate state and federal lawmakers and monitor and promote legislation that protects us before, not after, our activities are banned. Please spare us the arguments that it is expensive, etc. etc. Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Steve Dunklee Sent: Sep 24, 2010 11:05 AM To: almi...@localnet.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite? Ownership of meteorites is pretty clear in United States law. The owner of a meteorite is the land owner. If one falls on my land it is mine. If one falls on your land it is yours. If one falls on federal land it belongs to the Smithsonian. So if one lands in a school yard it must belong to the school. Other countrys may have different law. Cheers Steve Dunklee On Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 12:48 AM EDT almi...@localnet.com wrote: Hi Ron and all, If this is going to be the case, if you get a permit to hunt federal lands then you are being granted a lease to hunt and all material should belong to the finder then. Perhaps this is an interpatation of the law we can live with. --AL Mitterling Quoting R N Hartman : So regarding the article, in essence this interpretation is saying that if you have a lease on land at which time a meteorite lands on it, you have legal rights to it. But you must have the lease, not be wandering down a public road or across a school yard, or even being on a dry lake or the open desert. Yes?? Ron Hartman __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this
Joe Kershner from IL would be a good choice. He is local, he is determined and didn't he find his Mifflin stone with a metal detector under a bridge! Hey Joe, are you out near Jacksonville already? I bet he finds one! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: "Meteorites USA" To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this Hi Richard, I agree to a point... I bet if the Claxton meteorite was found on radar people would be jumping all over it and that fell 26 years ago. Point being, time on the ground doesn't matter as much as location. A good majority of the stones might be plowed under in the 3 years, but a good metal detector would suffice, and there's always going to be material on or near the surface outside the farm fields. It may not be worth it to travel 200 miles for though for a weathered ordinary chondrite, I get that, but it's still scientifically important. This meteorite, if recovered, is still a witnessed fall, valuable to science in that it proves archived radar is a valuable tool to the science, and it's collectibility will be there as well. Especially if only a few pieces are recovered. Someone close by the area might do well going out there and talking to landowners to gain permission to look around a bit. It won't hurt and there's meteorites that can be found. Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 11:31 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this from a fall that occurred 3 1/2 years ago? Not that I am taking anything away from Marc's efforts, but if the stones have been the ground that long, I'd suspect that most have been plowed under several times and become well weathered. That might explain why there hasn't been any discussion so far. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Meteorites USA wrote: From: Meteorites USA Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 11:06 AM Looks good! Good work Marc. Funny how all the so called meteorite people don't have a comment in 10 whole hours since your post. No yay, no nay... Just silence... LOL Maybe they're all packing they're bags or maybe already be in the field out there searching... ;) Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 12:59 AM, Marc Fries wrote: Howdy all, I'm quite pleased with this one. Looks like a very nice meteorite fall from recent radar data archives: http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/jacksonville-il-05-feb-07-0144-utc/ Enjoy! Marc Fries __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3156 - Release Date: 09/24/10 02:34:00 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'allare going to want to see this
I think I am going to give this one a go. I actually think I saw this one. Only 3hrs away from me. If I can round up some $$ I am going to give it a try for a few days. Best, Joe kerchner Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Meteorites USA Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:54:34 To: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all aregoing to want to see this (Sorry two things I'd like to clear up in my last post) "...It may not be worth it to travel 200 miles for though for a weathered ordinary chondrite..." I meant to say 2000 miles. And "...and there's meteorites that can be found. .." I'll change this one to - there's "probably" meteorites that can be found. If I lived within a couple few hundred miles of this area, I'd spend a weekend out there hunting. Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 11:47 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: > Hi Richard, I agree to a point... > > I bet if the Claxton meteorite was found on radar people would be > jumping all over it and that fell 26 years ago. Point being, time on > the ground doesn't matter as much as location. A good majority of the > stones might be plowed under in the 3 years, but a good metal detector > would suffice, and there's always going to be material on or near the > surface outside the farm fields. It may not be worth it to travel 200 > miles for though for a weathered ordinary chondrite, I get that, but > it's still scientifically important. > > This meteorite, if recovered, is still a witnessed fall, valuable to > science in that it proves archived radar is a valuable tool to the > science, and it's collectibility will be there as well. Especially if > only a few pieces are recovered. > > Someone close by the area might do well going out there and talking to > landowners to gain permission to look around a bit. It won't hurt and > there's meteorites that can be found. > > Regards, > Eric > > > > On 9/24/2010 11:31 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote: >> Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this from a fall that occurred >> 3 1/2 years ago? >> >> Not that I am taking anything away from Marc's efforts, but if the >> stones have been the ground that long, I'd suspect that most have >> been plowed under several times and become well weathered. That might >> explain why there hasn't been any discussion so far. >> >> >> -- >> Richard Kowalski >> Full Moon Photography >> IMCA #1081 >> >> >> --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Meteorites USA wrote: >> >>> From: Meteorites USA >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all >>> are going to want to see this >>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 11:06 AM >>> Looks good! Good work Marc. Funny how >>> all the so called meteorite people >>> don't have a comment in 10 whole hours since your post. No >>> yay, no >>> nay... Just silence... LOL Maybe they're all packing >>> they're bags or >>> maybe already be in the field out there searching... ;) >>> >>> Regards, >>> Eric >>> >>> On 9/24/2010 12:59 AM, Marc Fries wrote: Howdy all, I'm quite pleased with this >>> one. Looks like a very nice meteorite fall from recent >>> radar data archives: http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/jacksonville-il-05-feb-07-0144-utc/ Enjoy! Marc Fries __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/m
Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
Steve said "...it must belong to the school." I respectfully disagree with this statement and with the statement " ...it belongs to the Smithsonian." Public schools do not in themselves "own" property. The lands and improvements are typically the assets of local, or state government (i.e.. the citizens of that county, or state.) Their maintenance and operation are usually governed by an elected Board of Trustees. They, if made aware, would most probably decide the disposition of a find. Federal lands, including National Parks, Wilderness Areas, Mining Claims, Restricted Areas and lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management are subject to a hodge podge of regulations that directly, or indirectly affect the taking of meteorites. There is no "all encompassing directive that says all meteorites on all Federally held land "belongs" to the Smithsonian. Consider a " mining claim" or a "homestead" being proved up. There are many other examples...including the "issuance of a permit to hunt meteorites specifically on Federal, or State lands." Something I have personal experience with having recently joined with the permit holder to search ;ands off limits to those without a permit. Finally, in many states, Nevada being one, I have seen metorites considered minerals and as those mineral rights are with held from fee simple ownership of land. Therefore, the land owner has no right to the minerals on his own land. He must is sublect to complicated state mining and oil exploration law. This whole business is messy and arbitrary and can lead to no good. I would like the meteorite community to develop a lobbying arm to educate state and federal lawmakers and monitor and promote legislation that protects us before, not after, our activities are banned. Please spare us the arguments that it is expensive, etc. etc. Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Steve Dunklee >Sent: Sep 24, 2010 11:05 AM >To: almi...@localnet.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite? > >Ownership of meteorites is pretty clear in United States law. The owner of a >meteorite is the land owner. If one falls on my land it is mine. If one falls >on your land it is yours. If one falls on federal land it belongs to the >Smithsonian. So if one lands in a school yard it must belong to the school. >Other countrys may have different law. Cheers Steve Dunklee > >On Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 12:48 AM EDT almi...@localnet.com wrote: > >>Hi Ron and all, >> >>If this is going to be the case, if you get a permit to hunt federal lands >>then you are being granted a lease to hunt and all material should belong to >>the finder then. Perhaps this is an interpatation of the law we can live with. >> >>--AL Mitterling >> >>Quoting R N Hartman : >> >>> So regarding the article, in essence this interpretation is saying that if >>> you have a lease on land at which time a meteorite lands on it, you have >>> legal rights to it. But you must have the lease, not be wandering down a >>> public road or across a school yard, or even being on a dry lake or the >>> open desert. Yes?? >>> >>> Ron Hartman >> >> >>__ >>Visit the Archives at >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this
Hey Marc & Eric, I'm not arguing against any of your points. I'm just remarking that since it isn't a fresh fall that is currently getting widespread media attention, the buzz isn't being generated, so the list is quiet. I suspect that some local hunters are in the early stages of data gathering, but those who have to travel longer distances aren't as willing to spend the time and money to jump out of their chairs and get there to start searching just yet. Not being a hunter myself, I can't say for sure. I may be way off here too. For all I know the silence is because no one wants to tip their hands and let anyone else know they are on their way. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Marc Fries wrote: > From: Marc Fries > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going > to want to see this > To: "Meteorite-list List" > Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 11:46 AM > That's true, but people routinely > recover meteorites that have been on the ground for longer > than that. And not all of the apparent strewn field > area is farmland - there is a fairly large amount of wooded > area there that has not been plowed. > > One of the things that I find amusing about the Meteorite > List is that when there is the real possibility that there > are meteorites to be found, the list tends to go > silent! I don't have a comment on that other than to > say that it makes me chuckle. > > Cheers, > Marc Fries __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this
(Sorry two things I'd like to clear up in my last post) "...It may not be worth it to travel 200 miles for though for a weathered ordinary chondrite..." I meant to say 2000 miles. And "...and there's meteorites that can be found. .." I'll change this one to - there's "probably" meteorites that can be found. If I lived within a couple few hundred miles of this area, I'd spend a weekend out there hunting. Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 11:47 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: Hi Richard, I agree to a point... I bet if the Claxton meteorite was found on radar people would be jumping all over it and that fell 26 years ago. Point being, time on the ground doesn't matter as much as location. A good majority of the stones might be plowed under in the 3 years, but a good metal detector would suffice, and there's always going to be material on or near the surface outside the farm fields. It may not be worth it to travel 200 miles for though for a weathered ordinary chondrite, I get that, but it's still scientifically important. This meteorite, if recovered, is still a witnessed fall, valuable to science in that it proves archived radar is a valuable tool to the science, and it's collectibility will be there as well. Especially if only a few pieces are recovered. Someone close by the area might do well going out there and talking to landowners to gain permission to look around a bit. It won't hurt and there's meteorites that can be found. Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 11:31 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this from a fall that occurred 3 1/2 years ago? Not that I am taking anything away from Marc's efforts, but if the stones have been the ground that long, I'd suspect that most have been plowed under several times and become well weathered. That might explain why there hasn't been any discussion so far. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Meteorites USA wrote: From: Meteorites USA Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 11:06 AM Looks good! Good work Marc. Funny how all the so called meteorite people don't have a comment in 10 whole hours since your post. No yay, no nay... Just silence... LOL Maybe they're all packing they're bags or maybe already be in the field out there searching... ;) Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 12:59 AM, Marc Fries wrote: Howdy all, I'm quite pleased with this one. Looks like a very nice meteorite fall from recent radar data archives: http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/jacksonville-il-05-feb-07-0144-utc/ Enjoy! Marc Fries __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this
Hi Richard, I agree to a point... I bet if the Claxton meteorite was found on radar people would be jumping all over it and that fell 26 years ago. Point being, time on the ground doesn't matter as much as location. A good majority of the stones might be plowed under in the 3 years, but a good metal detector would suffice, and there's always going to be material on or near the surface outside the farm fields. It may not be worth it to travel 200 miles for though for a weathered ordinary chondrite, I get that, but it's still scientifically important. This meteorite, if recovered, is still a witnessed fall, valuable to science in that it proves archived radar is a valuable tool to the science, and it's collectibility will be there as well. Especially if only a few pieces are recovered. Someone close by the area might do well going out there and talking to landowners to gain permission to look around a bit. It won't hurt and there's meteorites that can be found. Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 11:31 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this from a fall that occurred 3 1/2 years ago? Not that I am taking anything away from Marc's efforts, but if the stones have been the ground that long, I'd suspect that most have been plowed under several times and become well weathered. That might explain why there hasn't been any discussion so far. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Meteorites USA wrote: From: Meteorites USA Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 11:06 AM Looks good! Good work Marc. Funny how all the so called meteorite people don't have a comment in 10 whole hours since your post. No yay, no nay... Just silence... LOL Maybe they're all packing they're bags or maybe already be in the field out there searching... ;) Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 12:59 AM, Marc Fries wrote: Howdy all, I'm quite pleased with this one. Looks like a very nice meteorite fall from recent radar data archives: http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/jacksonville-il-05-feb-07-0144-utc/ Enjoy! Marc Fries __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this
That's true, but people routinely recover meteorites that have been on the ground for longer than that. And not all of the apparent strewn field area is farmland - there is a fairly large amount of wooded area there that has not been plowed. One of the things that I find amusing about the Meteorite List is that when there is the real possibility that there are meteorites to be found, the list tends to go silent! I don't have a comment on that other than to say that it makes me chuckle. Cheers, Marc Fries On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this from a fall that occurred 3 1/2 > years ago? > > Not that I am taking anything away from Marc's efforts, but if the stones > have been the ground that long, I'd suspect that most have been plowed under > several times and become well weathered. That might explain why there hasn't > been any discussion so far. > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Meteorites USA wrote: > >> From: Meteorites USA >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are >> going to want to see this >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 11:06 AM >> Looks good! Good work Marc. Funny how >> all the so called meteorite people >> don't have a comment in 10 whole hours since your post. No >> yay, no >> nay... Just silence... LOL Maybe they're all packing >> they're bags or >> maybe already be in the field out there searching... ;) >> >> Regards, >> Eric >> >> On 9/24/2010 12:59 AM, Marc Fries wrote: >>> Howdy all, >>> >>> I'm quite pleased with this >> one. Looks like a very nice meteorite fall from recent >> radar data archives: >>> >>> http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/jacksonville-il-05-feb-07-0144-utc/ >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> Marc Fries >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this
Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this from a fall that occurred 3 1/2 years ago? Not that I am taking anything away from Marc's efforts, but if the stones have been the ground that long, I'd suspect that most have been plowed under several times and become well weathered. That might explain why there hasn't been any discussion so far. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Meteorites USA wrote: > From: Meteorites USA > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going > to want to see this > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 11:06 AM > Looks good! Good work Marc. Funny how > all the so called meteorite people > don't have a comment in 10 whole hours since your post. No > yay, no > nay... Just silence... LOL Maybe they're all packing > they're bags or > maybe already be in the field out there searching... ;) > > Regards, > Eric > > On 9/24/2010 12:59 AM, Marc Fries wrote: > > Howdy all, > > > > I'm quite pleased with this > one. Looks like a very nice meteorite fall from recent > radar data archives: > > > > http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/jacksonville-il-05-feb-07-0144-utc/ > > > > Enjoy! > > Marc Fries > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this
Looks good! Good work Marc. Funny how all the so called meteorite people don't have a comment in 10 whole hours since your post. No yay, no nay... Just silence... LOL Maybe they're all packing they're bags or maybe already be in the field out there searching... ;) Regards, Eric On 9/24/2010 12:59 AM, Marc Fries wrote: Howdy all, I'm quite pleased with this one. Looks like a very nice meteorite fall from recent radar data archives: http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/jacksonville-il-05-feb-07-0144-utc/ Enjoy! Marc Fries __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
Ownership of meteorites is pretty clear in United States law. The owner of a meteorite is the land owner. If one falls on my land it is mine. If one falls on your land it is yours. If one falls on federal land it belongs to the Smithsonian. So if one lands in a school yard it must belong to the school. Other countrys may have different law. Cheers Steve Dunklee On Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 12:48 AM EDT almi...@localnet.com wrote: >Hi Ron and all, > >If this is going to be the case, if you get a permit to hunt federal lands >then you are being granted a lease to hunt and all material should belong to >the finder then. Perhaps this is an interpatation of the law we can live with. > >--AL Mitterling > >Quoting R N Hartman : > >> So regarding the article, in essence this interpretation is saying that if >> you have a lease on land at which time a meteorite lands on it, you have >> legal rights to it. But you must have the lease, not be wandering down a >> public road or across a school yard, or even being on a dry lake or the open >> desert. Yes?? >> >> Ron Hartman > > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: September 20-24, 2010
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES September 20-24, 2010 o Dark Slope Streaks (20 September 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100920a o Gullies (21 September 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100921a o Aurorae Chaos (22 September 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100922a o Ejecta Erosion (23 September 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100923a o Tikhonravov Crater (24 September 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100924a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Rarities - Wold Cottage, Batesland, Sena, and more
Dear List, I have just finished updating my sales page with specimens of Wold Cottage, Batesland, my very last Kendleton (with a killer armored troilite inclusion), and some others: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html Also, I have some great eBay auctions ending in 48 hours, with some rare witnessed falls, historics, and the usuals: http://shop.ebay.com/historic-meteorites/m.html Most are still at 99 cents! Have a great weekend! -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - 25% OFF Sale, New Brachinite, NWA 6289 LL4, Rumuruti, Allende, Lunar Meteorwrong, more!
Hi Folks! I have several new offerings this week for collectors, including a new brachinite, a gorgeous new LL4, and dozens of slices and endcuts. These are interesting new specimens in a range of sizes and prices from small micromounts to full slices and endcuts. I also have some eclectic, new, non-meteorite offerings, including crystals, arrowheads, tumbled semi-precious stones, and a fantastic lunar meteorwrong. I am running a sale right now - 25% OFF everything in the store. Of course, Met-List members (you!) get a running discount of 20% on all orders, but an extra 5% OFF is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick! To get the discount, use the coupon code "sale" at checkout. If you have any problems with the checkout process, email me and we can do the order via email. I have had some reports in the last week of bugginess in my website checkout, so if it acts goofy on you, let me know - meteoritem...@gmail.com NWA 6077 - new Brachinite This very rare class of achondrite originates from an unknown parent body. This brachinite is relatively fresh with nice crystallization that is difficult to capture in photos but very beautiful to view in hand. Unlike many brachinites, some of these specimens have a tiny amount of metal and two haves large visible metal flecks. This meteorite was classified by Dr. Anthony Irving at UWS. I have specimens ranging from micromount crumbs to part slices larger than 1 gram. 1.46g part slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-achondrite-unknown-parent-body-146g 588mg part slice w/ metal fleck - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077-brachinite-achondrite-w-rarely-seen-metal-inclusion-588mg 564mg part slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-achondrite-unknown-parent-body-564mg 504mg part slice w/ metal fleck - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-w-metal-flake-unknown-parent-body-504mg 397mg part slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-achondrite-unknown-parent-body-397mg 347mg part slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-achondrite-unknown-parent-body-347mg Micromounts - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-achondrite-unknown-parent-body-micromount NWA 6289, new LL4 chondrite. This new LL4 chondrite has a gorgeous orange-red matrix that is reminiscent of a rumuruti-type. It has dark colored clasts, light colored clasts, occasional chondrules and metal fleck. The large slice that I have is crusted on the edge with a nice polish on both sides. It's a very striking specimen. I also have micromounts available. 13g slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6289-new-ll4-chondrite-with-big-chondrules-clasts-13g-slice Micromounts - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6289-new-ll4-chondrite-with-big-chondrules-clasts-micromounts NWA 6284, new L5 chondrite Here is a new and relatively-fresh L5 chondrite with a pretty light-colored matrix that is peppered with clasts, metal fleck, troilite flecks, and occasional chondrules. I have a large polished slice that has some crust on the outside edge. And I also have some small micromounts available. 21g slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6284-fresh-l5-chondrite-loaded-w-clasts-inclusions-21g-slice Micromounts - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6284-fresh-l5-chondrite-loaded-w-clasts-inclusions-micromount NWA 6080 - new LL4 chondrite This meteorite is a beautiful example of the LL4 type. It contains a pleasing mix of chondritic clasts, metal fleck, chondrules, and troilite. It is quite fresh and mildly shocked. LL4 is not a very common type, so these would make great samples for a type collection. I have a wide range of sizes, from small micromounts to crusted endcuts. All of these cut faces have been polished. 13g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6080-beautiful-ll4-chondrite-with-clasts-big-13g-crusted-endcut 11g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6080--beautiful-ll4-chondrite-with-clasts-11g-endcut 9.9g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6080-beautiful-ll4-chondrite-with-clasts-99g-endcut 8.08g slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6080--beautiful-ll4-chondrite-with-clasts-808g-slice 7.07g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6080--beautiful-ll4-chondrite-with-clasts-707g-endcut 4.72g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6080-beautiful-ll4-chondrite-with-clasts-472g-endcut 2.67g slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6080--beautiful-ll4-chondrite-with-clasts-267g-slice Large Micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6080--beautiful-ll4-chondrite-with-clasts-large-micros Small Micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6080--beautiful-ll4-chondrite-with-clasts-micromount NWA , Rumuruti (R-Chondrite). This meteorite has be
[meteorite-list] AD: Russian books by Krinov on ebay
Hello List, I have 4 rare books by the famous Russian meteorite expert Krinov E.L.: - Meteorites. 1948 A lot of illustrations. Very good condition!: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190446601815 - Dwarf Planets (asteroids). 1951. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190446605814 - Stones from the sky. 1952. Rare edition! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190446609967 - Giant meteorites. 1952. Book is about Tunguska and Sikhote-Alin events: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190446616848 Please check out all items I have on ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/svassiliev Thank you for your time! Sergey --- http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://impactites.net http://systematic-mineralogy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 24, 2010
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[meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this
Howdy all, I'm quite pleased with this one. Looks like a very nice meteorite fall from recent radar data archives: http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/jacksonville-il-05-feb-07-0144-utc/ Enjoy! Marc Fries __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
