[meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteor(ite)
Now that you mention it, Joe Kenchner, I think you're right. It may have been the Peekskil Meteor(ite) I was referring to. The football mom videos were shot, I believe, from Pennsylvania, not Texas. Maybe that's why I was thinking the east to west trajectory. Don't know why, but whenever I think of football I think of Texas! Incidentally, Eric, I believe what you may have in mind has more to do with the 32 directional points of a compass rather than the 360 degrees of a circle. It's a common mistake made by many landlubbers. I hope I'm not being too picayune when I point-out that there are some people, rare gifted individuals, who are reported to have an infallible sense of direction. Kinda like some people having perfect musical pitch. Such people never get lost in the woods, so I've been told. Dave Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '.001 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet?
Sorry how can there be 100% chance of life??? The temperature is suspected to be very approx -20C on a good day, we know nothing about any atmosphere (it could have lost it for all we know), we know nothing about the chemical structure of the planet, and we don't even have a highly accurate idea of the distances. Don't forget to read the fine print on these discoveries LIKE THE ERROR BARS! Granted there is possibly more chance of life there than most places to date we have seen but let's not go over the top here, (our moons in 'the habitable zone' but doesn't have life last time I looked...) The earth is still a statistically lucky place to live.. Mark CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test
test,delet please Said Haddany __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet?
I don't remember the FCC code but the rules only allow transmissions of radio signals on specific wavelengths and powers. You would have to apply for a licence specifically for extra terestrial transmissions. And I dont think they would grant one. If you accidently sent a 2k watt signal at the same frequency as one of the iridium satalites you would burn out its electronics and be in some deep shit lol. Cheers Steve On Wed Oct 6th, 2010 8:00 PM EDT Stuart McDaniel wrote: Why is it illegal?? -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:43 PM To: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet? The message has already been sent! Social Networking has reached out to the stars. In October 2008, members of the networking website Bebo beamed A Message From Earth, a high-power transmission at Gliese 581, using the RT-70 radio telescope belonging to the National Space Agency of Ukraine. This transmission is due to arrive in the Gliese 581 system's vicinity by the year 2029; the earliest possible arrival for a response, should there be one, would be in 2049. Transmission of such a message from U.S. soil is a criminal offense, I believe. Or at least, frowned upon. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Ok then - how about a Radio Transmission. I would assume we are doing this. What would we send? We gotta do something! Greg S. From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; stanleygr...@hotmail.com; steve.dunk...@yahoo.com CC: c...@alumni.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:37:43 -0500 To The List Travel Club: A 0.008c probe could be built tomorrow (got cash?). It would take about 2600 years to reach the Gliese 581 system and maneuver through it and we could hope the instrument packages would have survived. Here's the real argument against primitive interstellar probes: the velocity of technological advancement is greater than the speed of primitive probes. In 200 years, the 2600-year probe would be overtaken by a 800-year probe. In another century, they would both be passed by the next-generation system of propulsion, and so forth. And by the time any of these probes could get there, we might be able to go ourselves in a reasonable time (by the ship's clocks). On the other hand, we might be able to make a 100-year probe by the end of the century. For now, we need to concentrate on survey and data collection technologies. For probe technology, I refer you to the 1973-78 study by the British Interplanetary Society -- Project Daedalus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus The project is currently being designed as Project Icarus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Icarus_%28Interstellar_Probe_Design_Study%29 See also the 1987-88 study by NASA and the Air Force, Project Longshot (good name) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Longshot Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Gee only 20 light years away. Since it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a small mass to the speed of light. I guess the world may never know! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet?
you are forgetting the first commercial radio stations. WJR which was WCX began broadcasting in 1922 . Thats about 88 light years of radio signals from Detroit. I wonder what they would think of us hearing music and shows like the lone ranger and flash gordon . If there is anyone out there. Cheers Steve On Wed Oct 6th, 2010 6:11 PM EDT Sterling K. Webb wrote: We have already sent them I Love Lucy, just by broadcasting it from October 15, 1951 to May 6, 1957. In the Fifties, the radio brightness of the Earth was about 700 times greater than our Sun's radio brightness. A bright radio source in orbit about a G-class star is like firing up a beacon for everyone within 50 lightyears, one that screams Yoo-Hoo! There are about 2000 stars (in 1400 star systems) within 50 lightyears of us, all of whom have gotten all the episodes of I Love Lucy by now. About 133 of these stars are similar to our Sun. Here's a map of our Neighborhood: http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/50lys.html and Gliese 581 isn't bright enough to make the cut; it's not on the map. Nobody cares about red dwarves... There are 33 stars with 12.5 lightyears of us. http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/12lys.html Most of those stars could have sent us a message after they watched the first episode of Gunsmoke and we would have had the message before the show went off the air. An alien civilization fascinated by Soul Train (and who isn't?) could have watched the first few years of the show and sent us a message we'd have by now out to 20-22 lightyears. Maybe we won't hear from them until they find out their favorite show was cancelled? Or maybe they're satisfied to just watch the re-runs of Star Trek? Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: geo...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet? Ok then - how about a Radio Transmission. I would assume we are doing this. What would we send? How about all the re-runs of I Love Lucy? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet?
Would you contact us after hearing (seeing?) our radio and TV broadcasts?... hmmm Interesting stuff Greg S. Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:13:59 -0700 From: steve.dunk...@yahoo.com To: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; geo...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet? you are forgetting the first commercial radio stations. WJR which was WCX began broadcasting in 1922 . Thats about 88 light years of radio signals from Detroit. I wonder what they would think of us hearing music and shows like the lone ranger and flash gordon . If there is anyone out there. Cheers Steve On Wed Oct 6th, 2010 6:11 PM EDT Sterling K. Webb wrote: We have already sent them I Love Lucy, just by broadcasting it from October 15, 1951 to May 6, 1957. In the Fifties, the radio brightness of the Earth was about 700 times greater than our Sun's radio brightness. A bright radio source in orbit about a G-class star is like firing up a beacon for everyone within 50 lightyears, one that screams Yoo-Hoo! There are about 2000 stars (in 1400 star systems) within 50 lightyears of us, all of whom have gotten all the episodes of I Love Lucy by now. About 133 of these stars are similar to our Sun. Here's a map of our Neighborhood: http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/50lys.html and Gliese 581 isn't bright enough to make the cut; it's not on the map. Nobody cares about red dwarves... There are 33 stars with 12.5 lightyears of us. http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/12lys.html Most of those stars could have sent us a message after they watched the first episode of Gunsmoke and we would have had the message before the show went off the air. An alien civilization fascinated by Soul Train (and who isn't?) could have watched the first few years of the show and sent us a message we'd have by now out to 20-22 lightyears. Maybe we won't hear from them until they find out their favorite show was cancelled? Or maybe they're satisfied to just watch the re-runs of Star Trek? Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet? Ok then - how about a Radio Transmission. I would assume we are doing this. What would we send? How about all the re-runs of I Love Lucy? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Tribe Has Spoken - (ad) part one for Zagami -Mars- thin section
Last week I sought the opinions of this august group regarding publishing my book, The Art of Collecting Meteorites, solely as an e-book as my supply of hard copies nears a complete sell out. Resoundingly, you said no way. But most responders added an acknowledgement that ebooks represent the future. True. For the first time ever, e-books outsold hard copies last year. Consequently, I'm going to try to raise the funds to print more books by selling meteorites. I will need a couple of thousand dollars to keep The Art of Collecting Meteorites alive in a way that most pleases my readers, a hold-it-in-your-hands book. First offer in my fund raising project is a thin section of Zagami (Mars). When I had several of these created in the late '90's, Zagami sold for $800 to $1,000/gram. It's about half of that now. The Zagami slice covers 10x8mm on the slide. I was selling these for $350 prior to the world economic crisis. In a web search today, world-class thin section dealer Impactica Ann has none listed for sale, the (Michael) Blood Meister has a Zagami ts with 15x20mm coverage for $500, and Jeff Rowell has one similar to mine for an excellent $250. I'll be the low cost Kev-Mart of Zagami today. First $225 (plus postage to wherever) in my Paypal account will bring a true Mars sample return to the new owner and help me kick-start my book printing-funding project. Please email me before submitting funds. My humble thanks to the many people who took the time to write me last week. I am honored to be in your thoughts and perpetually amazed, somewhat awed, that this hobby has created for me a network of worldwide friendships I would never otherwise have known. Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com www.LaQ-CostaRica.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] El Djouf CR2 Offer (ad) part 2 - El Djouf 001 CR2
Back when NWA were popularly known only as the initials for Northwest Airlines, a collector would wait years to fill the rarer classifications for his/her type collection. Rumarutis, acapulcoites, angrites and the like were beyond the budgets of most people. Such was the case with CR2's. No one offered name sake Renazzo as the great repositories of the world hadn't yet dealt their true rarities for exotic NWA species. In the late-1990's, I purchased El Djouf to fill the CR2 classification. I've had a lot of fun studying this gorgeous meteorite. If research is your thing, papers about El Djouf 001 talk about noble gases, olivine glass inclusions and dark clasts. The primordial nebula comes in play. It's what meteorites are about to me read the papers, know the rock, let your mind expand with the realities of what you hold in your hand. El Djouf 001 CR2 Tanezrouft, Algeria Found October, 1989 TKW - Thirty specimens collected weighing 1,250 grams. Weight of specimen offered today - 1.2 grams Measures 13x10x4mm S2, W2. Take a look here - http://community.webshots.com/album/578724542MyZzYc The only sample of El Djouf 001 I can find for sale is with Russ Kempton who offers 0.005 grams for $15 ($3,000/gm.) I'll sacrifice this to create more copies of The Art of Collecting Meteorites for $300/gm or $360 + mail to wherever. Please email me to confirm purchase before depositing Paypal funds. From Nine Degrees North, Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com www.LaQ-CostaRica.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] All Names, No Numbers Collection (ad part 3)
To raise money to fund the printing of more copies for re-sale of The Art of Collecting Meteorites, here is an offer any collector can afford. Six meteorites with names. Three falls. No junk. The price for the set is $50 + mail to wherever. 1. El Hammami H5 (Mauritania) Found 1997. Superb black, bubbly crust covers about 50% of the surface. 1.1 gms. 15x6x6 frag. 2. Lahoma L5 (Oklahoma) Found 1963. A starry-night meteorite, glistening metal flecks in a jet-black matrix. 1.6 gms. 12x6x3 part slice. 3. Tatahouine DIO (Tunisia) Fell June 27, 1931. Sliced frag shows interior. 0.8 gms. 10x7x5mm. 4. Travis County (a) (Texas) Found 1889. Shock-blackened matrix. 1.6 gms. 10x9x3mm slice. 5. Gao H5 (Upper Volta) Fell March 5, 1960. Individual with 50% crust. 1.7 gms. 10x7x6mm. 6. Allende CV3.2 (Mexico) Fell 1969. Several CAI's on this 1.25 gm. frag measuring 15x9x5. Please email me if interested Regards to all. Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com www.LaQ-CostaRica.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Marcin's NWA 6309 eucrite
Hello All, On Saturday, August 28, 2010, Marcin introduced his latest eucrite to us: NWA 6309, a polymict, silica- and plagioclase-rich eucrite. Today I finally got my 8.7-gram slice and one of the thin sections he is offering. Even though this is not my first eucrite (meanwhile there are 86 eucrites + 10 eucrite TS in my collection), I must say that this NWA 6309 is a real crystal beauty - both in hand sample as well as in cross-polarized light! Brown, sugary crystals (like those of Agoult), beautiful, well-developed ilmenite crystals, abundant snow-white plagioclase, and so much more! Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet?
With his faithful Indian companion Tonto The Daring and resourceful, Masked Rider of the plains, Led the fight for Law and Order In the early Western United States. No where in the pages of History Can one find a greater Champion of Justice. Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear. From out of the past, come the thundering hoof beats of the Great horse Silver The Lone Ranger Rides Again! Hi Ho Silver--Away... Get um up Scout Echos of a misspent youth Jerry Flaherty On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Steve Dunklee wrote: you are forgetting the first commercial radio stations. WJR which was WCX began broadcasting in 1922 . Thats about 88 light years of radio signals from Detroit. I wonder what they would think of us hearing music and shows like the lone ranger and flash gordon . If there is anyone out there. Cheers Steve On Wed Oct 6th, 2010 6:11 PM EDT Sterling K. Webb wrote: We have already sent them I Love Lucy, just by broadcasting it from October 15, 1951 to May 6, 1957. In the Fifties, the radio brightness of the Earth was about 700 times greater than our Sun's radio brightness. A bright radio source in orbit about a G-class star is like firing up a beacon for everyone within 50 lightyears, one that screams Yoo-Hoo! There are about 2000 stars (in 1400 star systems) within 50 lightyears of us, all of whom have gotten all the episodes of I Love Lucy by now. About 133 of these stars are similar to our Sun. Here's a map of our Neighborhood: http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/50lys.html and Gliese 581 isn't bright enough to make the cut; it's not on the map. Nobody cares about red dwarves... There are 33 stars with 12.5 lightyears of us. http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/12lys.html Most of those stars could have sent us a message after they watched the first episode of Gunsmoke and we would have had the message before the show went off the air. An alien civilization fascinated by Soul Train (and who isn't?) could have watched the first few years of the show and sent us a message we'd have by now out to 20-22 lightyears. Maybe we won't hear from them until they find out their favorite show was cancelled? Or maybe they're satisfied to just watch the re-runs of Star Trek? Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: geo...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet? Ok then - how about a Radio Transmission. I would assume we are doing this. What would we send? How about all the re-runs of I Love Lucy? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Art of Collecting Meteorites book---8 signed numbered copies available
Kevin and list When Kevin first made this book available I purchased a box of them,I believe it was 25 signed and numbered copies.Recently during a house move I discovered I still had 8 of these spare.Number 118 is personally signed to me but the others numbered 119 to 127 are simply numbered and signed by Kevin.Only the first 500 copies of that first run were signed according to Kevins website.These 8 are available for purchase at the going rate of $30 plus shipping to your country.Great book that should be on every meteorite collectors bookshelf. Kevin,every time I look at the La Quintana website I wish there were direct flights from Ireland,I would so love to visit to experience the natural beauty of Costa Rica.Maybe one day. sincerely Jim Brady IMCA 2424 http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com under construction __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet?
Aloha Alas, WCX was operating in the AM band - a bit above 500kHz - and these signals don't do a very good job at getting out of the ionosphere. http://www.michiguide.com/history/am.html To get ETs attention, you have to wait until VHF signals start to be emitted from planet earth - and fairly high power at that... As was noted in the book Contact (Sagan) - that gets us into the 1930s... The Berlin Olympics and the Coronation of King George VI - these transmitters were operating around 50MHz, and those signals could make it through the ionosphere So - the 1936 timeframe is the crucial one for our radio envelope expansion. (after that we start getting noisier!!! Military radars, TV programs, and all) moving on: Having read Part 97 of the FCC regulations (the part that regulates Amateur Radio) - I don't see any part that prohibits me from grabbing a 300+ meter dish, a 1500 watt amplifier, and beaming a signal to Space using any acceptable coding system approved for use in the amateur bands. I'd have to use appropriate frequencies in the Amateur Radio Spectrum I'd have to identify myself using my callsign (NH6YK) in English / International Phonetics / or International Morse Code / (or in the medium (RTTY/FSTV/SSTV etc) being used) So - 1296MHz at 1500W to the star of your choice??? seems legal to me - Unless - of course - the entities of the star/planet in question have registered (I think it's the ITU) that amateur radio communications are prohibited between amateurs of our country and their people/amateurs (since we are not transmitting to an Earth satellite - it is not subject to the sub-rules for the Amateur Satellite Service :-) :-) ) Cheers - 73 and aloha - ted - nh6yk --- On Thu, 10/7/10, Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet? To: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net, geo...@aol.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 6:13 AM you are forgetting the first commercial radio stations. WJR which was WCX began broadcasting in 1922 . Thats about 88 light years of radio signals from Detroit. I wonder what they would think of us hearing music and shows like the lone ranger and flash gordon . If there is anyone out there. Cheers Steve On Wed Oct 6th, 2010 6:11 PM EDT Sterling K. Webb wrote: We have already sent them I Love Lucy, just by broadcasting it from October 15, 1951 to May 6, 1957. In the Fifties, the radio brightness of the Earth was about 700 times greater than our Sun's radio brightness. A bright radio source in orbit about a G-class star is like firing up a beacon for everyone within 50 lightyears, one that screams Yoo-Hoo! --snip-- Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet?
There is a wrinkle here. Early broadcasts are too low in power to make us very radio-bright. But after WWII, the energy and the wider spectrum make our profile soar to phenomenal levels. TV was a major contributor to our emergence as a bright radio source, astronomically. Then, in the 70's, we begin the switch to satellites which direct signals downward (to absorption) and in the 80's to optical lines. The radio brightness declined as we got more efficient with signals and receptions and went to more contained data transmission methods. But since the 90's our radio-brightness has been creeping back up again, due to the sheer volume of spectrum usage and new devices. I'm certain that eventually we get back to astronomical brightnesses; growth of humanity will take us there. By the time we inhabit the entire solar system in vast numbers, we be one of the brighter radio sources in the galaxy over a wide range of bands. Imagine trillions of interplanetary cellphones. Imagine thousands of navigation beacons. Imagine a vast network of deep space radars tracking millions of rocks. We will GLOW. And so would any other system-wide interplanetary civilization. Where are they? No sign. As for the argument that they would use something more sophisticated that electromagnetic radiation... it is wrong, for economic reasons. It will always be possible to transmit more bits of information at a lower cost in energy via the EM spectrum than by any other means. We will always swim in the EM soup. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com To: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; geo...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet? you are forgetting the first commercial radio stations. WJR which was WCX began broadcasting in 1922 . Thats about 88 light years of radio signals from Detroit. I wonder what they would think of us hearing music and shows like the lone ranger and flash gordon . If there is anyone out there. Cheers Steve On Wed Oct 6th, 2010 6:11 PM EDT Sterling K. Webb wrote: We have already sent them I Love Lucy, just by broadcasting it from October 15, 1951 to May 6, 1957. In the Fifties, the radio brightness of the Earth was about 700 times greater than our Sun's radio brightness. A bright radio source in orbit about a G-class star is like firing up a beacon for everyone within 50 lightyears, one that screams Yoo-Hoo! There are about 2000 stars (in 1400 star systems) within 50 lightyears of us, all of whom have gotten all the episodes of I Love Lucy by now. About 133 of these stars are similar to our Sun. Here's a map of our Neighborhood: http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/50lys.html and Gliese 581 isn't bright enough to make the cut; it's not on the map. Nobody cares about red dwarves... There are 33 stars with 12.5 lightyears of us. http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/12lys.html Most of those stars could have sent us a message after they watched the first episode of Gunsmoke and we would have had the message before the show went off the air. An alien civilization fascinated by Soul Train (and who isn't?) could have watched the first few years of the show and sent us a message we'd have by now out to 20-22 lightyears. Maybe we won't hear from them until they find out their favorite show was cancelled? Or maybe they're satisfied to just watch the re-runs of Star Trek? Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: geo...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet? Ok then - how about a Radio Transmission. I would assume we are doing this. What would we send? How about all the re-runs of I Love Lucy? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Zagami thin section (sold) and Luck o' the Irish
I am happy to read that M-List Member Jim Brady has re-discovered a lost cache of my book, The Art of Collecting Meteorites among the shamrocks growing in his basement. He is offering these fairly priced signed and low-numbered copies for sale. I hope any potential readers in Euro-land will take advantage of this good luck (and save some postage) by purchasing these copies direct from Jim in Ireland. Although I am awaiting payment, it looks like I have a sale (and a back-up) for the Zagami thin section. Thanks to all who have written me. This is a great start to fund the next run of my book. From Nine Degrees North, Kevin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet?
OK, That makes sense. So we just leave it up to the Russians to bring down our sats?? -- From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:38 AM To: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet? I don't remember the FCC code but the rules only allow transmissions of radio signals on specific wavelengths and powers. You would have to apply for a licence specifically for extra terestrial transmissions. And I dont think they would grant one. If you accidently sent a 2k watt signal at the same frequency as one of the iridium satalites you would burn out its electronics and be in some deep shit lol. Cheers Steve On Wed Oct 6th, 2010 8:00 PM EDT Stuart McDaniel wrote: Why is it illegal?? -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:43 PM To: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet? The message has already been sent! Social Networking has reached out to the stars. In October 2008, members of the networking website Bebo beamed A Message From Earth, a high-power transmission at Gliese 581, using the RT-70 radio telescope belonging to the National Space Agency of Ukraine. This transmission is due to arrive in the Gliese 581 system's vicinity by the year 2029; the earliest possible arrival for a response, should there be one, would be in 2049. Transmission of such a message from U.S. soil is a criminal offense, I believe. Or at least, frowned upon. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Ok then - how about a Radio Transmission. I would assume we are doing this. What would we send? We gotta do something! Greg S. From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; stanleygr...@hotmail.com; steve.dunk...@yahoo.com CC: c...@alumni.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:37:43 -0500 To The List Travel Club: A 0.008c probe could be built tomorrow (got cash?). It would take about 2600 years to reach the Gliese 581 system and maneuver through it and we could hope the instrument packages would have survived. Here's the real argument against primitive interstellar probes: the velocity of technological advancement is greater than the speed of primitive probes. In 200 years, the 2600-year probe would be overtaken by a 800-year probe. In another century, they would both be passed by the next-generation system of propulsion, and so forth. And by the time any of these probes could get there, we might be able to go ourselves in a reasonable time (by the ship's clocks). On the other hand, we might be able to make a 100-year probe by the end of the century. For now, we need to concentrate on survey and data collection technologies. For probe technology, I refer you to the 1973-78 study by the British Interplanetary Society -- Project Daedalus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus The project is currently being designed as Project Icarus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Icarus_%28Interstellar_Probe_Design_Study%29 See also the 1987-88 study by NASA and the Air Force, Project Longshot (good name) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Longshot Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Gee only 20 light years away. Since it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a small mass to the speed of light. I guess the world may never know! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Well endowed Sikhote-alin
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Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life onnewlyfoundplanet?
Hi, Ted, List, If you're looking for a universal message to send, here's the one and only official message to aliens, sent one-time only to the M-13 star cluster 25,000 light years away on Novemeber 15, 1974: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_message The Wiki gives the full explanation of the message and its digital form, how it was coded, and how it was sent. It would be a fine choice for a message, though I think a target star closer than 25,000 lightyears would be a better choice, don't you? Suggestions? Number 1 on my list is alpha Centauri B, in the closest star system to our own. It seems to have no giant planets, but has been under-searched despite (or because of?) being the nearest star to us. Otherwise, it's a good candidate star (but unfortunately right on the horizon from Hawai'i). Here's the list of stars closest to Earth. I believe in starting with the neighbors, whether planets have been detected or not, because the present technology could never detect an Earth-sized world around a Sun-like star, even if it was as close as Mercury... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars For the closest stars with proven planets... Well, I found that a list of exoplanet systems by distance from the Earth to be a very hard list to come by; it's like distance is being willfully ignored, so here is my Guide to the Neighbors (whom I now feel like I know better). A List Nearby Stars with Detected Planets by Order of Distance: 8.25 light-years - Lalande 21185 System (three unconfirmed planets around a red dwarf). Star is class M2.0V. 10.5 light-years - epsilon Eridani System - Nearest single non-red dwarf star to the Sun and the nearest star system with confirmed planets. The planet is a very elliptical Jupiter-like world. It also has TWO asteroid belts and a Kuiper belt, with evidence of planets in-between. Estimated age of system is ~450 million years. Star is class K2V; the system is likely too young for life. 14.8 light-years - Gliese 674 System - The nearest red dwarf known to have a planet, also the second nearest exoplanet to the Sun. The planet is a Hot Neptune in a tight orbit that has a similar eccentricity as Mercury. Star is class M2.5. 15.4 light-years - Gliese 876 System - Very nearby quadruple planet system and the first red dwarf found to have planets. The innermost planet (d) was the first discovered rocky planet around a normal star (the first true Super-Earth, at epistellar distances). The outer three planets c (Saturnian), b (Jovian), and d (Neptunian) are in 1:2:4 (30d/60d/120d) resonance (the first exoplanet resonance and first triple-resonant planets discovered). The outermost planet has a Mercury-like orbit. Planet b is second discovered by ELODIE after 51 Peg b and the second to have its mass exactly measured and the first to have done so by astrometry. Star is class M4V. 16.1 light-years - Gliese 832 System - Third nearest red dwarf with planets. Has a slightly eccentric Jovian planet with 64% Jupiter's mass at an asteroid-belt like distance. One of the larger red dwarf planets around one of the larger (M1.5) red dwarves (about half a Solar Mass). Has second highest angular separation from its sun. A good astrometry detection candidate and a target for SIM. Star is class M1.5. 19 light-years - VB 10 System - A controversial first exoplanetary system discovered using astrometry and lies only 20 light years away, but not confirmed with doppler spectrometry. Would be smallest known star to host a planet and is a flare star. Contains a cold Jupiter six times Jupiter's mass at a Mercury like distance. The planet and the star are about the same size and the planet contains 10% of the mass of the system. The system forms an astrometric binary (unbound) with a larger Gliese 752 binary system, which lies 434 AU away. The star will burn for 10 trillion years, then the planet will fall into it, fuelling it for another 100 billion years. 20.4 light-years - Gliese 581 System - Small nearby red dwarf with six planets in tight circular orbits. Planet e is the smallest known doppler-detected exoplanet and a Super Mercury, b is a hot Neptunian, c is a super-Venus and the first detected in the HZ, g is a SuperEarth and the first detected in the middle of the habitable zone, d is a SuperEarth on the outer edge of the habitable zone, and f is a cold SuperEarth. Star is class M3. 23 light-years - Gliese 667 System - A triple star system 23 light years away, consisting of binary of orange dwarf stars about 12 AU apart (ranging from 5 to 20 AU), around which a distant red dwarf C orbits (ranging from 56 to 215 AU) and the nearest multiple star system known to harbor a planet. A temperate SuperEarth planet (5.7 ME) discovered around star C was the poster child for an announcement of 32 exoplanets discovered by European astronomers working on the HARPs project and brought the then-total number of exoplanets to near 400. Star is class M1.5V. 25.1 light-years - Fomalhaut System - a
