Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?!
If the devices seem to work for the Iraqi's, I can propose a simpler explanation for why the worthless wands do anything at all. What they do is make those with good reason to not want to be stopped and especially not to be searched nervous, because even the best-educated terrorist probably believes in these impressing-looking but worthless Gizmo's. And there is no cop in the world that can't smell a nervous perp. Even the worst cop can do that. Even if you're only nervous because you're in the hands of a bad cop. So the device has a high rate of detections which will include among the many false positives, most if not all of the true positives. So, yeah... it actually works. Dum cops and dummer terrorists make twitchier suspects and better detection. What a racket! I wish I'd thought of it... Lesee, 1500 ADE-651's at $16,500 each (in bulk) is $25,000,000. $50,000 to have the Gizmo made in China and shipped. Pay off the Ministry of Internal Security in Bagdad for the contract... How much does that come to? Ain't Free Enterprise great! Sterling K. Webb (with thanks to William of Occam) -- - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?! Hi Mike, I think the point of the article is relevant to what's being discussed here. People that know for scientific reasons that dowsing doesn't work, can't dowse because it won't work for them. Dowsing only works for the ignorant like myself and dumb construction workers and plumbers. The Iraqis believe in these devices and they work for them. And we're talking about life or death here, surely the devices work, they're staking their life on them. The experts make the exact same arguments in the article that I've heard hear. Scientific test show the devices give no better than random results, etc. etc. Everybody keeps telling them they don't work, when obviously the Iraqis know that they do work, otherwise they'd be getting blown up. Unless the Iraqis are so dumb, they're getting blown up, yet still insist on using the dowsers. If that was the case, surely the article would have reported it. This is the NY Times after all. I like at the end of the article where the naysayer can't get the dowser to work, but it works perfectly for the believer. It's like that Monty Python episode where everybody has to believe in the apartment building or it falls down. A non-believer moves in and the building starts collapse, until the believers convert him and the building goes back up. Every time he has doubts, the building starts to fall down, then he recants and the building goes back up. That's some funny stuff! And even though these guys are putting their lives on the line every day with their dowsers, they of course can't pass the fraudulent Randi's impossible requirements and cash in on his stupid million dollar con. Click on the link for pictures of the overpriced, phony dowsing devices that can't possibly work, yet still do http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/world/middleeast/04sensors.html BAGHDAD - Despite major bombings that have rattled the nation, and fears of rising violence as American troops withdraw, Iraq's security forces have been relying on a device to detect bombs and weapons that the United States military and technical experts say is useless. Skip to next paragraph Related Times Topics: Iraq Enlarge This Image Johan Spanner for The New York Times The sensor device, known as the ADE 651, from $16,500 to $60,000 each. Iraq has bought more than 1,500 of the devices. The small hand-held wand, with a telescopic antenna on a swivel, is being used at hundreds of checkpoints in Iraq. But the device works on the same principle as a Ouija board - the power of suggestion - said a retired United States Air Force officer, Lt. Col. Hal Bidlack, who described the wand as nothing more than an explosives divining rod. Still, the Iraqi government has purchased more than 1,500 of the devices, known as the ADE 651, at costs from $16,500 to $60,000 each. Nearly every police checkpoint, and many Iraqi military checkpoints, have one of the devices, which are now normally used in place of physical inspections of vehicles. With violence dropping in the past two years, Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki has taken down blast walls along dozens of streets, and he contends that Iraqis will safeguard the nation as American troops leave. But the recent bombings of government buildings here have underscored how precarious Iraq remains, especially with the coming parliamentary elections and the violence expected to accompany them. The suicide bombers who managed to get two tons of explosives into downtown Baghdad on Oct. 25, killing 155 people and destroying three
Re: [meteorite-list] New data visualization tool available in the EoM
Thanks for the heads-up, Martin. That's a nifty new feature. Linton - Original Message - From: karmaka karm...@email.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New data visualization tool available in the EoM Hello everybody There is a nice new data visualization tool available in the Encyclopedia of Meteorites. Try it out: http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/DataVisualization.aspx Thank you on behalf of all of us, Sergey !!! Keep up the good work Best Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
I've seen other videos and know of other pieces this gold prospector has found. To the best of my knowledge he just keeps them and according to his YouTube comments, uses them as a heat bank for his heater! Unfortunately for the finder, he doesn't own any of those pieces he found while prospecting either. Under state law they all belong to the WA state government so it may just be a matter of time before he gets a knock at the door! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite Would be interesting to know what happened to those irons found in Australia? knowing what the laws are nowhave they been handed in for study/classificationor just disappeared mysteriouslyanyone know the finder of more about the story? Jeff? They look much younger than Henbury with very nice regmaglypts. Graham, UK On 17 October 2010 18:37, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Anyone wanna talk about meteorites? ;) Seems someone found a couple... Eric On 10/16/2010 10:22 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: Another one... this time BIGGER! Strewnfield? http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6dDtPekzQ Geoff and Steve were in Australia just recently. Hmmm... On 10/16/2010 10:15 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-619OvFyi5w __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
Sad the government would try to take away what should rightfully be his. Instead of hushing up and hiding or fudging data on find location. Perhaps any meteorites found on federal land, particularly the rare types, should be video taped, weighed, photographed, and GPS'd. Then leave them in the field. If the government wants them, they can purchase the coordinates. For a nominal location fee of course. Eric On 10/18/2010 1:48 AM, Jeff Kuyken wrote: I've seen other videos and know of other pieces this gold prospector has found. To the best of my knowledge he just keeps them and according to his YouTube comments, uses them as a heat bank for his heater! Unfortunately for the finder, he doesn't own any of those pieces he found while prospecting either. Under state law they all belong to the WA state government so it may just be a matter of time before he gets a knock at the door! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite Would be interesting to know what happened to those irons found in Australia? knowing what the laws are nowhave they been handed in for study/classificationor just disappeared mysteriouslyanyone know the finder of more about the story? Jeff? They look much younger than Henbury with very nice regmaglypts. Graham, UK On 17 October 2010 18:37, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Anyone wanna talk about meteorites? ;) Seems someone found a couple... Eric On 10/16/2010 10:22 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: Another one... this time BIGGER! Strewnfield? http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6dDtPekzQ Geoff and Steve were in Australia just recently. Hmmm... On 10/16/2010 10:15 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-619OvFyi5w __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Vaca Muerta euc- what is it?
Hi Bernd and all, Agreed, there is accessory amounts of olivine in mesosiderites but these are very low amounts so the olivine seem to be mostly absent in the formation. Most likely the amounts found were mixed in formation. This also explaines the green olivine crystal(s) found in some of Martinez Rodrigo's specimens. Could these be from the pallasite producing part of an asteroid? Always appreciate your input Bernd and you are a treasure to this list! --AL Mitterling Quoting bernd.pa...@paulinet.de: AL kindly wrote: I believe there is an absence of olivine in mesosiderites. Objection, Your Honor! Norton O.R. (2002) The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites, p. 157: Accessory amounts of olivine are also present in mesosiderites ...the mineralogy of the silicate portion...is ...orthopyroxene and plagioclase with minor amounts of olivine. Norton O.R. (2008) Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites, p.173: a) Figure 8.10: Estherville...Silicates include olivine, pyroxene, and plagioclase... b) Figure 8.11: Vaca Muerta...Like Estherville, it contains eucritic pebbles and many silicate inclusions... T.H. Burbine et al. (1996) Mantle material in the main belt: Battered to bits (Meteoritics 31-5, 1996, 607-620, p. 609): Mesosiderites are stony-iron meteorites containing Ni-rich Fe metal and mafic silicates (Floran, 1978). The amount of metal has been found to vary from 17 to 80 wt% but is usually between 40 to 60% (Mason and Jarosewich, 1973). The silicates are mainly orthopyroxene and plagioclase with lesser amounts of other silicates such as pigeonite and olivine (Floran, 1978). By the way, a few years ago, Martinez Rodrigo offered thin Vaca Muerta slices with predominantly eucritic components and / or olivine crystals. Some of the olivine-rich slices were cut so thinly that they were even translucent when held up against the light. Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
Well Jeff and Graham, only another sad example. There is zero incentive for that prospector, to get his finds classified, to reveal the data for more searches, to bring it to a museum. He had all the work, he made a great recovery - and the reward would be a wet handshake and the expenses for a bus ticket to Perth. Australia has lost another meteorite, like it lost so many before by virtue of these antiquated laws, where it was proven long ago, that it is scientifically the wrong method, to regard finders of meteorites as enemies and not as partners. In most of the other countries of the world, you would have now samples of such a find in the labs and in the national and regional museums. In parts of Australia, the laws prevent that. Laws which threw Australian meteoritics 150 years back in time. Laws, which never were tested to be conform with the constitution, Laws, which greatly handicap the scientific work of the universities and the public appointment of the institutes and museums to collect meteorites, to preserve meteorites and to enlarge and to diversify the collections. Even in desert countries only a small handful of experts occupy themselves with that so rare and exotic matter called meteorite: Meteoricists, curators, private collectors, private hunters, private dealers. Influence and competence to ensure that the legal conditions are given, that a meaningful research on meteorites and that new finds are granted, do have only the curators and the meteoricists. There are only a few in Australia. To us it's only left, to appeal to their professional ethics, their expertise, their liability to the public, which allows to them and supports them to do their research, and finally to their reason, to care for a modification of the laws, that Australia once will be able to turn back again in the circle of the great meteorite nations. It costs no money, it costs insight, will and practical wisdom. It's up to them. Don't wait too long. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Montag, 18. Oktober 2010 10:48 An: e-mail ensoramanda; Meteorites USA Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite I've seen other videos and know of other pieces this gold prospector has found. To the best of my knowledge he just keeps them and according to his YouTube comments, uses them as a heat bank for his heater! Unfortunately for the finder, he doesn't own any of those pieces he found while prospecting either. Under state law they all belong to the WA state government so it may just be a matter of time before he gets a knock at the door! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite Would be interesting to know what happened to those irons found in Australia? knowing what the laws are nowhave they been handed in for study/classificationor just disappeared mysteriouslyanyone know the finder of more about the story? Jeff? They look much younger than Henbury with very nice regmaglypts. Graham, UK On 17 October 2010 18:37, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Anyone wanna talk about meteorites? ;) Seems someone found a couple... Eric On 10/16/2010 10:22 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: Another one... this time BIGGER! Strewnfield? http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6dDtPekzQ Geoff and Steve were in Australia just recently. Hmmm... On 10/16/2010 10:15 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-619OvFyi5w __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
[meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?!
Same principle as lie detectors. Worthless for detecting lies, excellent for getting perps to confess. Phil Whitmer If the devices seem to work for the Iraqi's, I can propose a simpler explanation for why the worthless wands do anything at all. What they do is make those with good reason to not want to be stopped and especially not to be searched nervous, because even the best-educated terrorist probably believes in these impressing-looking but worthless Gizmo's. And there is no cop in the world that can't smell a nervous perp. Even the worst cop can do that. Even if you're only nervous because you're in the hands of a bad cop. So the device has a high rate of detections which will include among the many false positives, most if not all of the true positives. So, yeah... it actually works. Dum cops and dummer terrorists make twitchier suspects and better detection. What a racket! I wish I'd thought of it... Lesee, 1500 ADE-651's at $16,500 each (in bulk) is $25,000,000. $50,000 to have the Gizmo made in China and shipped. Pay off the Ministry of Internal Security in Bagdad for the contract... How much does that come to? Ain't Free Enterprise great! Sterling K. Webb (with thanks to William of Occam) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?!
Faith! The do all placebo. The sugar pill that cures disease. We all know placebo's work because the person believes them to work. Can dowsing or any of many other devices be any different? Cheers Steve dunklee On Sun Oct 17th, 2010 11:37 PM EDT Darren Garrison wrote: Rich, you could really save yourself some typing time by just using this site: http://randomtextgenerator.com/ (Unless--that is-- you already are.) On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:28:06 -0600, you wrote: Just as the active software on a laptop limits powerfully the possible offerings of the global Internet, strongly held personal beliefs and habits of conscious experience strongly limit the field of awareness and the range of acceptible experience. Thus, skeptics re the paranormal refrain from deliberate experiential personal exploration of traditions re expanded awareness and nonstandard belief and experience -- the only route to personal conviction in realms that are hypernormal, ie radically not normal by mainstream scientific consensus. A Ouija board device will indeed function well in detecting explosives and terrorists, and therefore also at detecting, by nonresponse, situations involving skeptics who set up simulations in which weapons and explosives are not carried by committed terrorists bent on impending suicide and murder. All Ouija board devices work according to the accepting faith and conviction of the user, for each person is in fact a unique individualized forever evolving expression of the totality of the single hyperreality. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ot scientific method
The scientific method has brought us many nice things like the ability to test meteorites. It has also brought us lead in gasoline which poisioned and killed millions of people. Mercury from coal fired plants. Rubber tires that leave small particles of latex in the air on our highways which make roads slippery and never leave our lungs. Then some scientists decide smoke is bad for us. We have been cooking our food and heating our homes exposed to smoke for thousands of years. Smoke introduces acids in our lungs that remove polutants like rubber pollen mold and dust. It is part of our imune system that we breath smoke. Modern tech has removed smoke from our diet and replaced it with heppa filter systems that dont work. Lung cancer and asthma as a result has skyrocketed. Give me a camp fire wild game withought steroids and hormones and life will be much better . Cheers Steve Dunklee ps gasolinefumes are more carcinogenic than cigarretes __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?!
Strange that you are happy believe that a stick is able to point to a meteorite all by itself, yet don't accept that lie detectors work (despite a considerable weight of research), and think that the Steward Observatory, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich, the European Southern Observatory, Leiden University in the Netherlands and Germany's Max-Planck-Institute for Astronomy, have photoshopped an exoplanet pic?? After all didn't you say.. First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific methodology instead of parroting dogmatic drivel and appealing to the authority of idiots. :) Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of JoshuaTreeMuseum Sent: 17 October 2010 23:53 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?! Those pictures look computer enhanced (photo-shopped) to me, I was thinking more along the lines of something like this: http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogallery-mars.html You know, real pictures. Phil Whitmer -- I'm going to need to see a visible light photograph of an exoplanet to confirm their existence. Here it is: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101015105935.htm Next? Will the next in line please step forward? Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ot scientific method
Hi Steve, nicest things the scientific method brought to me, were that in only 100 years the male life expectancy in my country was growing from 35.6 years to 67.4 years in the year of my birth and that the boys born today, will live on average 76.9 years. Also nice is, that in the 50,000 years lasting history, since homo sapiens stepped into my country, for the very first time, for two sequent generations nutrition was secured, with safe and high quality foods. Politics science have to care for these two things being no longer privileges of a minority of the human beings. No, I definitely don't want back to the misery of the camp fire and the cruel harshness of the survival of the fittest. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Steve Dunklee Gesendet: Montag, 18. Oktober 2010 17:16 An: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Ot scientific method The scientific method has brought us many nice things like the ability to test meteorites. It has also brought us lead in gasoline which poisioned and killed millions of people. Mercury from coal fired plants. Rubber tires that leave small particles of latex in the air on our highways which make roads slippery and never leave our lungs. Then some scientists decide smoke is bad for us. We have been cooking our food and heating our homes exposed to smoke for thousands of years. Smoke introduces acids in our lungs that remove polutants like rubber pollen mold and dust. It is part of our imune system that we breath smoke. Modern tech has removed smoke from our diet and replaced it with heppa filter systems that dont work. Lung cancer and asthma as a result has skyrocketed. Give me a camp fire wild game withought steroids and hormones and life will be much better . Cheers Steve Dunklee ps gasolinefumes are more carcinogenic than cigarretes __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ot scientific method
The scientific method has .. snip brought us lead in gasoline which poisioned and killed millions of people. Mercury from coal fired plants. Rubber tires that leave small particles of latex in the air on our highways which make roads slippery and never leave our lungs. I think it would be fairer to say that our wonderful capitalist system where the profit motive reigns supreme has brought us the things you describe. It was government than banned lead from gasoline. Science has long know that lead was bad for public health. Mike Fowler Chicago __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?!
I've got $10,000 for the first person who can successfully dowse the location of the Mason Dixon Meteor. Please contact me off list for details. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Mark Ford mark.f...@ssl.gb.com wrote: Strange that you are happy believe that a stick is able to point to a meteorite all by itself, yet don't accept that lie detectors work (despite a considerable weight of research), and think that the Steward Observatory, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich, the European Southern Observatory, Leiden University in the Netherlands and Germany's Max-Planck-Institute for Astronomy, have photoshopped an exoplanet pic?? After all didn't you say.. First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific methodology instead of parroting dogmatic drivel and appealing to the authority of idiots. :) Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of JoshuaTreeMuseum Sent: 17 October 2010 23:53 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?! Those pictures look computer enhanced (photo-shopped) to me, I was thinking more along the lines of something like this: http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogallery-mars.html You know, real pictures. Phil Whitmer -- I'm going to need to see a visible light photograph of an exoplanet to confirm their existence. Here it is: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101015105935.htm Next? Will the next in line please step forward? Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?!
Hi Mark, I never said I believe that sticks point to meteorites. I simply said I observed the phenomenon of two wire rods crossing over an iron meteorite. There are many observable phenomena that can't be explained by science. Nobody knows what dreams are or how hypnosis works. Nobody knows how abiogenesis worked. Nobody can explain what consciousness is or how human intelligence came to be. And there is certainly no one that can explain how the entire Universe appeared out of Nothing. I was joking about the pictures being photoshopped, referring to their extreme low quality. They probably are planets, but I can't tell from the crummy pictures. No technology exists today that can read human minds and tell if you're lying or not. Machines can provide indications that you may possibly be lying, but that's as far as it goes. It's a really big stretch to assume that changes in blood pressure, breath rate and respiration rate somehow prove that you're lying. There could be any number of causal factors for the changes. It' silly to think that that these changes can somehow read your mind. There is no scientific formula or law of physics that establishes a correlation between simple physiological reactions and the complex mental processes involved in lying. There is no scientific evidence proving that polygraphs can detect lying at a better than random rate anymore than there is sound scientific evidence that dowsing works. As I already said, fear is the biggest causal factor, not lying. Any good liar can easily pass the a polygraph test. Google Aldrich Ames, remember him, the super-spy? So, you're telling me you believe that mind reading machines exist, but metal rods won't cross over an iron meteorite. To each his own I say. I don't know anything about lie detectors other than they scare the hell out of people. --Richard Nixon Phil Whitmer - Strange that you are happy believe that a stick is able to point to a meteorite all by itself, yet don't accept that lie detectors work (despite a considerable weight of research), and think that the Steward Observatory, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich, the European Southern Observatory, Leiden University in the Netherlands and Germany's Max-Planck-Institute for Astronomy, have photoshopped an exoplanet pic?? After all didn't you say.. First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need to get off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and enter the realm of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based experimental scientific methodology instead of parroting dogmatic drivel and appealing to the authority of idiots. :) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ot scientific method
very good! I love honest debate and discussion. The scientific method has brought us many nice advances. Like oxygen isotope anaylisis in meteorites. And healthy diets for most people. Big business on the other hand has brought some people profits. At the expense of everyone else. Gasoline is more carcinogenic or cancer causing than radon gas. Or uranium. 100 times more than cigarrete smoke. Why isnt it banned? On Mon Oct 18th, 2010 12:10 PM EDT Martin Altmann wrote: Hi Steve, nicest things the scientific method brought to me, were that in only 100 years the male life expectancy in my country was growing from 35.6 years to 67.4 years in the year of my birth and that the boys born today, will live on average 76.9 years. Also nice is, that in the 50,000 years lasting history, since homo sapiens stepped into my country, for the very first time, for two sequent generations nutrition was secured, with safe and high quality foods. Politics science have to care for these two things being no longer privileges of a minority of the human beings. No, I definitely don't want back to the misery of the camp fire and the cruel harshness of the survival of the fittest. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Steve Dunklee Gesendet: Montag, 18. Oktober 2010 17:16 An: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Ot scientific method The scientific method has brought us many nice things like the ability to test meteorites. It has also brought us lead in gasoline which poisioned and killed millions of people. Mercury from coal fired plants. Rubber tires that leave small particles of latex in the air on our highways which make roads slippery and never leave our lungs. Then some scientists decide smoke is bad for us. We have been cooking our food and heating our homes exposed to smoke for thousands of years. Smoke introduces acids in our lungs that remove polutants like rubber pollen mold and dust. It is part of our imune system that we breath smoke. Modern tech has removed smoke from our diet and replaced it with heppa filter systems that dont work. Lung cancer and asthma as a result has skyrocketed. Give me a camp fire wild game withought steroids and hormones and life will be much better . Cheers Steve Dunklee ps gasolinefumes are more carcinogenic than cigarretes __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
Hello all, I usually stay away from these protracted discussions and am quite happy to lurk on the list. A lot of good, qualified people discussing a topic I truly enjoy: meteorites. Now, I am not interested in sparring with anyone. I just published an article in the Montreal Gazette debunking UFOs; you could substitute UFOS for anything else in the ever widening field of pseudoscience and my article would remain essentially the same. So anyone eager for my views can readily look the article up. However, my computer has recently been invaded by an avalanche of emails from this list that has *nothing* to do with meteorites or science. The basic problem is that pseudoscience is like a religion; no amount of science will ever convince its proponents. So I usually don't bother; ignorance is bliss, as they say. So those who believe in dowsing, divining rods and whatever other contraption, feel free to search with them. Think you can find meteorites, gold, diamonds, water, Jimmy Hoffa with a stick ? Go for it ! That is your business; I'm just not interested. So, could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ? Cheers Andre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?!
Fresh off the keyboard today: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/10/18/gallery-of-exoplanets-real-pictures-of-alien-worlds/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?!
The meteorite list can be a lot of fun and a source of learning. At times the posts may be a bit off topic but they always return to meteorites. There are many people here with a wealth of knowlege I appreciate. The off topic discussions to some may be a pain but compaired to other forums are on the low down on this list. Plain english you spend less time finding new science here about everything than you do a site on physics. Love the list! Steve Dunklee __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 2011 IAA Planetary Defense Conference: From Threat to Action
http://www.pdc2011.org/ 2011 IAA Planetary Defense Conference: From Threat to Action 9-12 May 2011 Bucharest, Romania The International Academy of Astronautics will hold its second conference on protecting our planet from impacts by asteroids and comets from 9 - 12 May 2011 in Bucharest, Romania. The 1st IAA Planetary Defense Conference: Protecting Earth from Asteroids, co-sponsored by the European Space Agency and The Aerospace Corporation, is the follow-on to three previous planetary defense conferences held in 2004 in Los Angeles and 2007 in Washington, D.C., and in 2009 in Granada, Spain. For the upcoming conference in 2011, the call for papers is now open - see the menu item on the left for further details. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
I Agree Greg S. From: dak_...@live.concordia.ca To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:07:21 + Subject: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ? Hello all, I usually stay away from these protracted discussions and am quite happy to lurk on the list. A lot of good, qualified people discussing a topic I truly enjoy: meteorites. Now, I am not interested in sparring with anyone. I just published an article in the Montreal Gazette debunking UFOs; you could substitute UFOS for anything else in the ever widening field of pseudoscience and my article would remain essentially the same. So anyone eager for my views can readily look the article up. However, my computer has recently been invaded by an avalanche of emails from this list that has *nothing* to do with meteorites or science. The basic problem is that pseudoscience is like a religion; no amount of science will ever convince its proponents. So I usually don't bother; ignorance is bliss, as they say. So those who believe in dowsing, divining rods and whatever other contraption, feel free to search with them. Think you can find meteorites, gold, diamonds, water, Jimmy Hoffa with a stick ? Go for it ! That is your business; I'm just not interested. So, could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ? Cheers Andre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
If he did turn them over to the Government, would he at least get some king of monetary compensation - like a finders fee. That way maybe he would turn them over to the government, get some cash so he can look for more gold. Yes this does show how the government makes a law to try and preserve the antiquities of the country - only to result in many many more meteorites not being classified and documented for science. The law needs to be changed - that's all. Greg S. From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:28:39 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite Well Jeff and Graham, only another sad example. There is zero incentive for that prospector, to get his finds classified, to reveal the data for more searches, to bring it to a museum. He had all the work, he made a great recovery - and the reward would be a wet handshake and the expenses for a bus ticket to Perth. Australia has lost another meteorite, like it lost so many before by virtue of these antiquated laws, where it was proven long ago, that it is scientifically the wrong method, to regard finders of meteorites as enemies and not as partners. In most of the other countries of the world, you would have now samples of such a find in the labs and in the national and regional museums. In parts of Australia, the laws prevent that. Laws which threw Australian meteoritics 150 years back in time. Laws, which never were tested to be conform with the constitution, Laws, which greatly handicap the scientific work of the universities and the public appointment of the institutes and museums to collect meteorites, to preserve meteorites and to enlarge and to diversify the collections. Even in desert countries only a small handful of experts occupy themselves with that so rare and exotic matter called meteorite: Meteoricists, curators, private collectors, private hunters, private dealers. Influence and competence to ensure that the legal conditions are given, that a meaningful research on meteorites and that new finds are granted, do have only the curators and the meteoricists. There are only a few in Australia. To us it's only left, to appeal to their professional ethics, their expertise, their liability to the public, which allows to them and supports them to do their research, and finally to their reason, to care for a modification of the laws, that Australia once will be able to turn back again in the circle of the great meteorite nations. It costs no money, it costs insight, will and practical wisdom. It's up to them. Don't wait too long. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Montag, 18. Oktober 2010 10:48 An: e-mail ensoramanda; Meteorites USA Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite I've seen other videos and know of other pieces this gold prospector has found. To the best of my knowledge he just keeps them and according to his YouTube comments, uses them as a heat bank for his heater! Unfortunately for the finder, he doesn't own any of those pieces he found while prospecting either. Under state law they all belong to the WA state government so it may just be a matter of time before he gets a knock at the door! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: e-mail ensoramanda To: Meteorites USA Cc: Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite Would be interesting to know what happened to those irons found in Australia? knowing what the laws are nowhave they been handed in for study/classificationor just disappeared mysteriouslyanyone know the finder of more about the story? Jeff? They look much younger than Henbury with very nice regmaglypts. Graham, UK On 17 October 2010 18:37, Meteorites USA wrote: Anyone wanna talk about meteorites? ;) Seems someone found a couple... Eric On 10/16/2010 10:22 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: Another one... this time BIGGER! Strewnfield? http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6dDtPekzQ Geoff and Steve were in Australia just recently. Hmmm... On 10/16/2010 10:15 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-619OvFyi5w __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?!
Those all look like dwarf stars to me. But it's hard to tell with low-rez, pixellated, out of focus pictures. I'm going to wait for better pictures before I make up my mind. Phil Plait has been known to jump to conclusions, don't forget he fell for the Gerrit Blank hoax, (the 14 year old boy that lied about getting hit by a meteorite.) Phil Whitmer -- Fresh off the keyboard today: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/10/18/gallery-of-exoplanets-real-pictures-of-alien-worlds/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
G'Day Jeff Looks like he got word on the bush telegraphVideos have been removed. Cheers John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Kuyken Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:48 AM To: e-mail ensoramanda; Meteorites USA Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite I've seen other videos and know of other pieces this gold prospector has found. To the best of my knowledge he just keeps them and according to his YouTube comments, uses them as a heat bank for his heater! Unfortunately for the finder, he doesn't own any of those pieces he found while prospecting either. Under state law they all belong to the WA state government so it may just be a matter of time before he gets a knock at the door! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite Would be interesting to know what happened to those irons found in Australia? knowing what the laws are nowhave they been handed in for study/classificationor just disappeared mysteriouslyanyone know the finder of more about the story? Jeff? They look much younger than Henbury with very nice regmaglypts. Graham, UK On 17 October 2010 18:37, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Anyone wanna talk about meteorites? ;) Seems someone found a couple... Eric On 10/16/2010 10:22 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: Another one... this time BIGGER! Strewnfield? http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6dDtPekzQ Geoff and Steve were in Australia just recently. Hmmm... On 10/16/2010 10:15 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-619OvFyi5w __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
Second! Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ? To: dak_...@live.concordia.ca, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:20 PM I Agree Greg S. From: dak_...@live.concordia.ca To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:07:21 + Subject: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ? Hello all, I usually stay away from these protracted discussions and am quite happy to lurk on the list. A lot of good, qualified people discussing a topic I truly enjoy: meteorites. Now, I am not interested in sparring with anyone. I just published an article in the Montreal Gazette debunking UFOs; you could substitute UFOS for anything else in the ever widening field of pseudoscience and my article would remain essentially the same. So anyone eager for my views can readily look the article up. However, my computer has recently been invaded by an avalanche of emails from this list that has *nothing* to do with meteorites or science. The basic problem is that pseudoscience is like a religion; no amount of science will ever convince its proponents. So I usually don't bother; ignorance is bliss, as they say. So those who believe in dowsing, divining rods and whatever other contraption, feel free to search with them. Think you can find meteorites, gold, diamonds, water, Jimmy Hoffa with a stick ? Go for it ! That is your business; I'm just not interested. So, could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ? Cheers Andre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
I have an idea, instead of whining like a little school-girl about not being
able to control the speech of others, why not just start an awesome
meteorite related thread that is so interesting it totally dominates the
conversation? Ever think of that? Or is it just more fun to whine? ;) :@
:() hey look, it's an emoticon with a mustache :{)
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Seriously, lighten up,
Phil Whitmer
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[meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
Steve wrote: Second! Bernd: Third! :-)) I've been spending an enjoyable evening at the microscope ogling my NWA 5507 slice (16.39 gr - see Encyclopedia if interested). Marcin's NWA 5507 is an interesting L3.2 with lots of spectacular features: - clasts (or PP chondrules?) with abundant translucent, light-green hypersthene crystals in a grayish groundmass + tiny chromites - finely disseminated troilite - troilite-rimmed chondrules - complex BO-Pyroxene chondrules - and much more! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
Finally the voice of reason! The volume of OT subjects on this METEORITE mailing list is the VERY reason I check the archives instead of receiving emails. A meteorite could have crashed through the White House and not generated the volume of emails this OT subject has generated over the last few days. Jim Hello all, I usually stay away from these protracted discussions and am quite happy to lurk on the list. A lot of good, qualified people discussing a topic I truly enjoy: meteorites. Now, I am not interested in sparring with anyone. I just published an article in the Montreal Gazette debunking UFOs; you could substitute UFOS for anything else in the ever widening field of pseudoscience and my article would remain essentially the same. So anyone eager for my views can readily look the article up. However, my computer has recently been invaded by an avalanche of emails from this list that has *nothing* to do with meteorites or science. The basic problem is that pseudoscience is like a religion; no amount of science will ever convince its proponents. So I usually don't bother; ignorance is bliss, as they say. So those who believe in dowsing, divining rods and whatever other contraption, feel free to search with them. Think you can find meteorites, gold, diamonds, water, Jimmy Hoffa with a stick ? Go for it ! That is your business; I'm just not interested. So, could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ? Cheers Andre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
Steve wrote: Second! Bernd: Third! :-)) I've been spending an enjoyable evening at the microscope ogling my NWA 5507 slice (16.39 gr - see Encyclopedia if interested). Marcin's NWA 5507 is an interesting L3.2 with lots of spectacular features: - clasts (or PP chondrules?) with abundant translucent, light-green hypersthene crystals, a greyish groundmass + numerous tiny chromites - finely disseminated troilite - troilite-rimmed chondrules - complex BO-Pyroxene chondrules - and so much more! Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
Oops, sorry for the double post! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
Hi Greg S. The laws should be found here: http://www.austlii.edu.au/ They are named - Museum Act 1969 - Western Australian Consolidated Acts - South Australian Museum Act 1976 - South Australian Consolidated Acts - Meteorites Acts 1973 - Tasmanian Consolidated Legislation - Meteorites Act 1988 - Northern Territory Consolidated Acts You know Greg, my first meteorites 30 years ago, were Australian meteorites. Mundrabillas, then Huckitta, Henbury, Murchison, Millbillillie and so on.. They were relatively cheap and well available, because there were no restrictions, or where there were some, the trade and the hunting was tolerated by the Australian meteoricists (I guess because they regarded these exotic laws as silly as we do today). Well, and then I saw the decline of Australian meteoritics during the decades, o.k. two Euromet expeditions and one from the Schools of Mines gave three peaks, but that happened long ago, till to the total breakdown of our years. Regarding the positive developments and the upswing of the numbers of newly found and published meteorites in USA, in Sahara and in Oman, it would be to expect, that Australia today has to have MINIMUM 50 newly found and published meteorites per year. In reality we had this decade less than one single one per year. For what that shall be good and what for advantages such a legislation has, don't ask me, ask the meteoricists and curators in Australia, it's their business and responsibility, they must know. (I don't know, if they prefer to do nothing more with meteorites, then they at least should let those in peace, who are caring for and are interested in that matter - that would mean absolutely no harm for them, aside to store away the free deposit specimens of new meteorites, they would getting in). Their addresses you find on the Aussie-museums' pages and in the few publications about meteorites. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Thunder Stone [mailto:stanleygr...@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 18. Oktober 2010 21:37 An: altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite If he did turn them over to the Government, would he at least get some king of monetary compensation - like a finders fee. That way maybe he would turn them over to the government, get some cash so he can look for more gold. Yes this does show how the government makes a law to try and preserve the antiquities of the country - only to result in many many more meteorites not being classified and documented for science. The law needs to be changed - that's all. Greg S. From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:28:39 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite Well Jeff and Graham, only another sad example. There is zero incentive for that prospector, to get his finds classified, to reveal the data for more searches, to bring it to a museum. He had all the work, he made a great recovery - and the reward would be a wet handshake and the expenses for a bus ticket to Perth. Australia has lost another meteorite, like it lost so many before by virtue of these antiquated laws, where it was proven long ago, that it is scientifically the wrong method, to regard finders of meteorites as enemies and not as partners. In most of the other countries of the world, you would have now samples of such a find in the labs and in the national and regional museums. In parts of Australia, the laws prevent that. Laws which threw Australian meteoritics 150 years back in time. Laws, which never were tested to be conform with the constitution, Laws, which greatly handicap the scientific work of the universities and the public appointment of the institutes and museums to collect meteorites, to preserve meteorites and to enlarge and to diversify the collections. Even in desert countries only a small handful of experts occupy themselves with that so rare and exotic matter called meteorite: Meteoricists, curators, private collectors, private hunters, private dealers. Influence and competence to ensure that the legal conditions are given, that a meaningful research on meteorites and that new finds are granted, do have only the curators and the meteoricists. There are only a few in Australia. To us it's only left, to appeal to their professional ethics, their expertise, their liability to the public, which allows to them and supports them to do their research, and finally to their reason, to care for a modification of the laws, that Australia once will be able to turn back again in the circle of the great meteorite nations. It costs no money, it costs insight, will and practical wisdom. It's up to them. Don't wait too long. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
Hi Bernd/All, Does anyone know any more about the classification of NWA 6260 which is provisionally LL7 metachondrite...Has that been confirmed yet...Met Bulletin still says Unknown? Cheers, Graham, UK On 18 October 2010 21:19, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Oops, sorry for the double post! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
List:
Last year I purchased a meteorite at a rock and mineral show a because it just
looked a little different from most chondrites I have seen. The seller did not
know where it was found so I got the provisional name NOVA 010. The exterior
almost looked like an Iron or a Stony-Iron and it contained a lot of metal.
The metal also looked a little different - more globular then most H-chondrites
I've seen. I thought it might be a CH or an EH chondrite. Well I got it
classified and it turned out to be a reduced H4 with numbers very similar to
the Burnwell fall in KY., although it's even more reduced.
NOVA 010
W2 S3, olivine Fa 14.4 ±0.5 (n=7); low-Ca pyroxene Fs13.7 ±0.6, Wo0.6 ±0.3
(n=11)
Now here's Burnwell
W0(fall) S3, olivine Fa 15.8 ±0.2 (n=79); low-Ca pyroxene Fs13.4 ±0.7, Wo0.7
±0.2 (n=98)
So you never know what you have until it gets classified.
Greg S.
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:09:52 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites,
please ?
I have an idea, instead of whining like a little school-girl about not being
able to control the speech of others, why not just start an awesome
meteorite related thread that is so interesting it totally dominates the
conversation? Ever think of that? Or is it just more fun to whine? ;) :@
:() hey look, it's an emoticon with a mustache :{)
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Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
G'Day Martin, Greg S and list A little more help http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinosrch.cgi?query=meteoritesresults= 50submit=Searchmask_world=mask_path=callback=onmethod=autometa=%2F au Cheers John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:44 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite Hi Greg S. The laws should be found here: http://www.austlii.edu.au/ They are named - Museum Act 1969 - Western Australian Consolidated Acts - South Australian Museum Act 1976 - South Australian Consolidated Acts - Meteorites Acts 1973 - Tasmanian Consolidated Legislation - Meteorites Act 1988 - Northern Territory Consolidated Acts You know Greg, my first meteorites 30 years ago, were Australian meteorites. Mundrabillas, then Huckitta, Henbury, Murchison, Millbillillie and so on.. They were relatively cheap and well available, because there were no restrictions, or where there were some, the trade and the hunting was tolerated by the Australian meteoricists (I guess because they regarded these exotic laws as silly as we do today). Well, and then I saw the decline of Australian meteoritics during the decades, o.k. two Euromet expeditions and one from the Schools of Mines gave three peaks, but that happened long ago, till to the total breakdown of our years. Regarding the positive developments and the upswing of the numbers of newly found and published meteorites in USA, in Sahara and in Oman, it would be to expect, that Australia today has to have MINIMUM 50 newly found and published meteorites per year. In reality we had this decade less than one single one per year. For what that shall be good and what for advantages such a legislation has, don't ask me, ask the meteoricists and curators in Australia, it's their business and responsibility, they must know. (I don't know, if they prefer to do nothing more with meteorites, then they at least should let those in peace, who are caring for and are interested in that matter - that would mean absolutely no harm for them, aside to store away the free deposit specimens of new meteorites, they would getting in). Their addresses you find on the Aussie-museums' pages and in the few publications about meteorites. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Thunder Stone [mailto:stanleygr...@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 18. Oktober 2010 21:37 An: altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite If he did turn them over to the Government, would he at least get some king of monetary compensation - like a finders fee. That way maybe he would turn them over to the government, get some cash so he can look for more gold. Yes this does show how the government makes a law to try and preserve the antiquities of the country - only to result in many many more meteorites not being classified and documented for science. The law needs to be changed - that's all. Greg S. From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:28:39 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite Well Jeff and Graham, only another sad example. There is zero incentive for that prospector, to get his finds classified, to reveal the data for more searches, to bring it to a museum. He had all the work, he made a great recovery - and the reward would be a wet handshake and the expenses for a bus ticket to Perth. Australia has lost another meteorite, like it lost so many before by virtue of these antiquated laws, where it was proven long ago, that it is scientifically the wrong method, to regard finders of meteorites as enemies and not as partners. In most of the other countries of the world, you would have now samples of such a find in the labs and in the national and regional museums. In parts of Australia, the laws prevent that. Laws which threw Australian meteoritics 150 years back in time. Laws, which never were tested to be conform with the constitution, Laws, which greatly handicap the scientific work of the universities and the public appointment of the institutes and museums to collect meteorites, to preserve meteorites and to enlarge and to diversify the collections. Even in desert countries only a small handful of experts occupy themselves with that so rare and exotic matter called meteorite: Meteoricists, curators, private collectors, private hunters, private dealers. Influence and competence to ensure that the legal conditions are given, that a meaningful research on meteorites and that new finds are granted, do have only the curators and the meteoricists. There are only a few in Australia. To us it's only left, to appeal to their professional ethics,
[meteorite-list] New Reduced H4 like the Burnwell fall in KY
List: Last year I purchased a meteorite at a rock and mineral show a because it just looked a little different from most chondrites I have seen. The seller did not know where it was found so I got the provisional name NOVA 010. The exterior almost looked like an Iron or a Stony-Iron and it contained a lot of metal. The metal also looked a little different - more globular then most H-chondrites I've seen. I thought it might be a CH or an EH chondrite. Well I got it classified and it turned out to be a reduced H4 with numbers very similar to the Burnwell fall in KY., although it's even more reduced. NOVA 010 W2 S3, olivine Fa 14.4 ±0.5 (n=7); low-Ca pyroxene Fs13.7 ±0.6, Wo0.6 ±0.3 (n=11) Now here's Burnwell W0(fall) S3, olivine Fa 15.8 ±0.2 (n=79); low-Ca pyroxene Fs13.4 ±0.7, Wo0.7 ±0.2 (n=98) So you never know what you have until it gets classified. Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
I fourth, or whatever the correct term would be. I move for the motion to be carried by acclamation. No more grousing . . . oops, I meant to say dowsing. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 3:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ? Steve wrote: Second! Bernd: Third! :-)) I've been spending an enjoyable evening at the microscope ogling my NWA 5507 slice (16.39 gr - see Encyclopedia if interested). Marcin's NWA 5507 is an interesting L3.2 with lots of spectacular features: - clasts (or PP chondrules?) with abundant translucent, light-green hypersthene crystals in a grayish groundmass + tiny chromites - finely disseminated troilite - troilite-rimmed chondrules - complex BO-Pyroxene chondrules - and much more! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
List, Could someone explain the meaning of the numbers in parenthesis? (n=7) and (n=11) is the analysis below? Thanks in advance. Mike Fowler NOVA 010 W2 S3, olivine Fa 14.4 ±0.5 (n=7); low-Ca pyroxene Fs13.7 ±0.6, Wo0.6 ±0.3 (n=11) List: Last year I purchased a meteorite at a rock and mineral show a because it just looked a little different from most chondrites I have seen. The seller did not know where it was found so I got the provisional name NOVA 010. The exterior almost looked like an Iron or a Stony-Iron and it contained a lot of metal. The metal also looked a little different - more globular then most H-chondrites I've seen. I thought it might be a CH or an EH chondrite. Well I got it classified and it turned out to be a reduced H4 with numbers very similar to the Burnwell fall in KY., although it's even more reduced. NOVA 010 W2 S3, olivine Fa 14.4 ±0.5 (n=7); low-Ca pyroxene Fs13.7 ±0.6, Wo0.6 ±0.3 (n=11) Now here's Burnwell W0(fall) S3, olivine Fa 15.8 ±0.2 (n=79); low-Ca pyroxene Fs13.4 ±0.7, Wo0.7 ±0.2 (n=98) So you never know what you have until it gets classified. Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Interpreting meteorite classification
Hi Mike, Indicates the number of individual measurements made of the indicated parameter in order to determine the 1-sigma standard deviation. So, Fa 14.4 +/- 0.5 (n=7) means that seven measurements were made for fayalite (olivine), the mean value was 14.4 and the standard deviation was 0.5. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Fowler Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 2:22 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Michael Fowler Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ? List, Could someone explain the meaning of the numbers in parenthesis? (n=7) and (n=11) is the analysis below? Thanks in advance. Mike Fowler NOVA 010 W2 S3, olivine Fa 14.4 ±0.5 (n=7); low-Ca pyroxene Fs13.7 ±0.6, Wo0.6 ±0.3 (n=11) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Change the Subject line please!! (Was: Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?)
Many of you have thankfully gotten back to the subject of meteorites but unfortunately reply to previous messages and use the same subject line even when the subject you are talking about no longer matches the subject line! So, please, change the subject line accordingly. I'm sure I'm not alone in skipping messages that have OT subject lines or subject lines that don't interest us. So, we end up missing some interesting stuff. In addition, when searching the archives, the subject line is a primary source, so you may have some neat information but it could get overlooked. No need to respond or start another useless thread. Just change the subject line. Thank you! Clear Skies! Elizabeth Thunder Stone wrote: List: Last year I purchased a meteorite at a rock and mineral show a because it just looked a [rest deleted] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
Really Phil ?
Whining like a little school-girl ?
I thought Andre's email was well written and to the point. I didn't see a
bit of whining.
This nonsense about dowsing rods is getting really old.
Best regards,
Charley Butterfield
Message: 15
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:09:52 -0400
From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of
meteorites, please ?
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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I have an idea, instead of whining like a little school-girl about not
being
able to control the speech of others, why not just start an awesome
meteorite related thread that is so interesting it totally dominates the
conversation? Ever think of that? Or is it just more fun to whine? ;) :@
:() hey look, it's an emoticon with a mustache :{)
---
Seriously, lighten up,
Phil Whitmer
Message: 6
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:07:21 +
From: DEBORAH ANNE K. MARTIN dak_...@live.concordia.ca
Subject: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of
meteorites, please ?
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Hello all,
I usually stay away from these protracted discussions and am quite happy
to lurk on the list. A lot of good, qualified people discussing a topic I
truly enjoy: meteorites.
Now, I am not interested in sparring with anyone. I just published an
article in the Montreal Gazette debunking UFOs; you could substitute UFOS
for anything else in the ever widening field of pseudoscience and my
article would remain essentially the same. So anyone eager for my views
can readily look the article up.
However, my computer has recently been invaded by an avalanche of emails
from this list that has *nothing* to do with meteorites or science. The
basic problem is that pseudoscience is like a religion; no amount of
science will ever convince its proponents. So I usually don't bother;
ignorance is bliss, as they say. So those who believe in dowsing,
divining rods and whatever other contraption, feel free to search with
them. Think you can find meteorites, gold, diamonds, water, Jimmy Hoffa
with a stick ? Go for it ! That is your business; I'm just not
interested.
So, could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
Cheers
Andre
Message: 15
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:09:52 -0400
From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of
meteorites, please ?
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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I have an idea, instead of whining like a little school-girl about not
being
able to control the speech of others, why not just start an awesome
meteorite related thread that is so interesting it totally dominates the
conversation? Ever think of that? Or is it just more fun to whine? ;) :@
:() hey look, it's an emoticon with a mustache :{)
---
Seriously, lighten up,
Phil Whitmer
--
Message: 16
Date: 18 Oct 2010 20:05:44 UT
From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
Subject: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of
meteorites, please ?
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Steve wrote: Second!
Bernd: Third! :-))
I've been spending an enjoyable evening at the microscope ogling my
NWA 5507 slice (16.39 gr - see Encyclopedia if interested). Marcin's
NWA 5507 is an interesting L3.2 with lots of spectacular features:
- clasts (or PP chondrules?) with abundant translucent, light-green
hypersthene crystals in a grayish groundmass + tiny chromites
- finely disseminated troilite
- troilite-rimmed chondrules
- complex BO-Pyroxene chondrules
- and much more!
Best wishes,
Bernd
--
Message: 17
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:21:43 + (UTC)
From: Jim Strope nwa...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of
meteorites, please ?
To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Finally the voice of reason!
The volume of OT subjects on this METEORITE mailing list is the VERY
reason I check the archives instead of receiving emails.
A meteorite could have crashed through the White House and not generated
the volume of emails this OT subject has generated over the last few
days.
Jim
Hello all,
Re: [meteorite-list] Change the Subject line please!! (Was: Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?)
List: I apologize for not changing the heading in my email - I noticed it after immediately I hit the send button oops so I resent the same email with an appropriate new heading. Regards, Greg S. Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:13:25 -0400 From: warne...@astro.umd.edu To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Change the Subject line please!! (Was: Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?) Many of you have thankfully gotten back to the subject of meteorites but unfortunately reply to previous messages and use the same subject line even when the subject you are talking about no longer matches the subject line! So, please, change the subject line accordingly. I'm sure I'm not alone in skipping messages that have OT subject lines or subject lines that don't interest us. So, we end up missing some interesting stuff. In addition, when searching the archives, the subject line is a primary source, so you may have some neat information but it could get overlooked. No need to respond or start another useless thread. Just change the subject line. Thank you! Clear Skies! Elizabeth Thunder Stone wrote: List: Last year I purchased a meteorite at a rock and mineral show a because it just looked a [rest deleted] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - lots of thin-sections
Done! After a lot of interruptions, other projects, problems, etc.I finally added some 40 new thin-sections to my site, have a look: http://www.impactika.com/TSlist.htm There is wide range and choice of clasifications there, from ordinary chondrite (several 3), eucrite, howardite, angrite (amazing how colorful those can be!), and even NWA 5000, and Los Angeles. Enjoy! Now I have upward of 100 specimens to add to my Catalog. Just ask if you can't possibly wait. Thanks. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?
This post by advanced imaginers, shows how some others are tickling the tail of the dragon of The Hard Problem of Consciousness: - Original Message - From: JACK SARFATTI To: sarfattisciencesemin...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Starfleet Command] Is Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle responsible for Life and Order in the Universe? Fred Hoyle has explained all this in his 1984 book The Intelligent Universe. Aharonov and students have formalized it - see the recent Discover Magazine article Back From The Future. Detailed citations in my book free on http://stardrive.org (not in final paperback version of course). On Oct 17, 2010, at 6:23 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote: Read my book Destiny Matrix 2012 on this topic. On Oct 17, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Jazz Rasool wrote: Hi Jack, Its been a few years since I commented last on how much your intelligence was a little too hot for some people's minds. Perhaps you could fire it up to give me your opinion on a little thought piece I wrote, given below? It takes Shannon's concept of information and its association with probability and links it into Synchronicities and Consciousness. Jaz Rasool Synchronicities are often considered to be surprising because there was thought to be a low probability or expectation or chance of them happening. In Science when computer engineers work with digital information a basic rule applies. The more likely something is the less information it will bring with it when it turns up. The less likely something is the more information, often new information it is likely to bring with it. Familiar events don't tell us much that is new about the world. They don't contain much new information we can be bothered to engage with. Unfamiliar events tell us something new about the world. They bring with them more new information about the world that we are likely to engage with. Synchronicities are events for which there was very little chance of happening. Since unfamiliar or unlikely events carry new information this means that Synchronicities bring new information into the world. Anything that generates Synchronicities is therefore bringing new information into the world. In Nature, Life arises out of molecules arranging themselves into ordered structures. Anything that has Order has it because somehow information has become frozen into it. So for new order to occur in nature new information must come in from somewhere. Since Synchronicities generate information that must mean that they can create order and therefore Life. To create more Life you must increase the creation of synchronicities or the likelihood of them. When life is nurtured by more information and thus more order, the life starts to generate an ever evolving order that eventually is able to order itself in novel ways. This is intelligence or consciousness. Sentience. A man whose life was full of synchronicities would have an existence where there was a lot of traffic of life going into and out of his daily activities. In parallel with this would be a big current of ever changing 'order' or intelligence. More synchronicities would lead to more intelligence and advances in consciousness. This formula is reversible. More consciousness can create more order, more information and therefore more unlikely events and therefore more apparent synchronicities. How often have we seen an incredibly unlikely event and thought it was not natural but maybe we were being manipulated or influenced by some conscious or intelligent force like a human hiding behind the bushes? If there was a device or technology that could create synchronicities then along with that would come new information, knowledge, intelligence and even consciousness not to mention the possibility of new life. Problem though is that if a device could generate synchronicities in a predictable way then they would have a high expectation of occurring and therefore not necessarily bring us any new information, let alone consciousness or Life. The only way the device could bring us genuine synchronicities would be if we weren't expecting what the synchronicities would bring -we didn't know what kind of synchronicities they were going to be. Either we wouldn't know what the synchronicity would bring or when it would likely happen. That would be the rule. Create as many as you like but you cannot know what they will relate to. Bizarrely that rule relating to uncertainty is written into the laws of physics. In Quantum Physics it is otherwise known as Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Since we have linked that uncertainty to Synchronicities, Consciousness and thus Life we can state that the Quantum Physics rule of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle must be responsible for the emergence of an ordered universe, the emergence of Life and the evolution of consciousness and sentience in the Universe. Remembering that consciousness can create order and thus trigger
Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?
Fisher~Gold Bug-2 Darn good metal dowsing unit...Batteries not included! :-) Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Oct 18, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Charley cm...@columbus.rr.com wrote: __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?!
I think mt delete button wires are crossing. - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real,but exoplanets are dubious?! If the devices seem to work for the Iraqi's, I can propose a simpler explanation for why the worthless wands do anything at all. What they do is make those with good reason to not want to be stopped and especially not to be searched nervous, because even the best-educated terrorist probably believes in these impressing-looking but worthless Gizmo's. And there is no cop in the world that can't smell a nervous perp. Even the worst cop can do that. Even if you're only nervous because you're in the hands of a bad cop. So the device has a high rate of detections which will include among the many false positives, most if not all of the true positives. So, yeah... it actually works. Dum cops and dummer terrorists make twitchier suspects and better detection. What a racket! I wish I'd thought of it... Lesee, 1500 ADE-651's at $16,500 each (in bulk) is $25,000,000. $50,000 to have the Gizmo made in China and shipped. Pay off the Ministry of Internal Security in Bagdad for the contract... How much does that come to? Ain't Free Enterprise great! Sterling K. Webb (with thanks to William of Occam) -- - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Dowsing is real, but exoplanets are dubious?! Hi Mike, I think the point of the article is relevant to what's being discussed here. People that know for scientific reasons that dowsing doesn't work, can't dowse because it won't work for them. Dowsing only works for the ignorant like myself and dumb construction workers and plumbers. The Iraqis believe in these devices and they work for them. And we're talking about life or death here, surely the devices work, they're staking their life on them. The experts make the exact same arguments in the article that I've heard hear. Scientific test show the devices give no better than random results, etc. etc. Everybody keeps telling them they don't work, when obviously the Iraqis know that they do work, otherwise they'd be getting blown up. Unless the Iraqis are so dumb, they're getting blown up, yet still insist on using the dowsers. If that was the case, surely the article would have reported it. This is the NY Times after all. I like at the end of the article where the naysayer can't get the dowser to work, but it works perfectly for the believer. It's like that Monty Python episode where everybody has to believe in the apartment building or it falls down. A non-believer moves in and the building starts collapse, until the believers convert him and the building goes back up. Every time he has doubts, the building starts to fall down, then he recants and the building goes back up. That's some funny stuff! And even though these guys are putting their lives on the line every day with their dowsers, they of course can't pass the fraudulent Randi's impossible requirements and cash in on his stupid million dollar con. Click on the link for pictures of the overpriced, phony dowsing devices that can't possibly work, yet still do http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/world/middleeast/04sensors.html BAGHDAD - Despite major bombings that have rattled the nation, and fears of rising violence as American troops withdraw, Iraq's security forces have been relying on a device to detect bombs and weapons that the United States military and technical experts say is useless. Skip to next paragraph Related Times Topics: Iraq Enlarge This Image Johan Spanner for The New York Times The sensor device, known as the ADE 651, from $16,500 to $60,000 each. Iraq has bought more than 1,500 of the devices. The small hand-held wand, with a telescopic antenna on a swivel, is being used at hundreds of checkpoints in Iraq. But the device works on the same principle as a Ouija board - the power of suggestion - said a retired United States Air Force officer, Lt. Col. Hal Bidlack, who described the wand as nothing more than an explosives divining rod. Still, the Iraqi government has purchased more than 1,500 of the devices, known as the ADE 651, at costs from $16,500 to $60,000 each. Nearly every police checkpoint, and many Iraqi military checkpoints, have one of the devices, which are now normally used in place of physical inspections of vehicles. With violence dropping in the past two years, Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki has taken down blast walls along dozens of streets, and he contends that Iraqis will safeguard the nation as American
Re: [meteorite-list] Very strange Nickel Iron structure in a NWA chondrite
Hi Sun, Cool photo. Has anyone responded to you yet? What is it? Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of m42protosun Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:11 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Very strange Nickel Iron structure in a NWA chondrite Hello lists, with my new Bresser microscope I have detected a structure in metalflakes which I can not explain. Has any one seen such a structure in meteorites or documentation where it is explalned? Look at http://s345.photobucket.com/albums/p384/m42protosun/Bubble%20iron/ m42protosun __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Very strange Nickel Iron structure in aNWA chondrite
I've posted another similar question question about anomylous micro pics (but somehow my topic-posts don't make it to the List...but thanks Anne for looking into it...those curious bubble-dots that show up in astonishing regiment alinmnet in many of Tom's TSs) The query surrounding what we all see as non-scientists scanning thin-sections and see beautiful stuffwondering What is it??? -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com To: m42proto...@t-online.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Very strange Nickel Iron structure in aNWA chondrite Hi Sun, Cool photo. Has anyone responded to you yet? What is it? Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of m42protosun Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:11 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Very strange Nickel Iron structure in a NWA chondrite Hello lists, with my new Bresser microscope I have detected a structure in metalflakes which I can not explain. Has any one seen such a structure in meteorites or documentation where it is explalned? Look at http://s345.photobucket.com/albums/p384/m42protosun/Bubble%20iron/ m42protosun __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) EBAY AUCTIONS
No thanks. - Original Message - From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) EBAY AUCTIONS Hi list.Just a heads up. All my auctions are ending tonight and tomorrow.All with buy it nows and best offers.Also dont forget free shipping.Thanks and have a good night. http://shop.ebay.com/illinoismeteorites Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! http://Chicagometeorites.com/ ebay:Illinoismeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) Large selection of Omani Meteorites
Listing is for a collection of Chondrite Meteorites found in the Dhofar / Al Wusta region of Oman during 2008. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250713148220 ITEM DETAILS: This listing is for OVER 200 (4000+ grams) assorted meteorites, all bagged and tagged! http://4-kats.homeip.net/rfs/pile-anon.jpg Also there is a link to a complete list of the meteorites at the end of the description! And pictures of the in-situ rocks can be seen in this document, http://4-kats.homeip.net/RfS/Meteorite_Contactsheet.pdf, with a nice fusion crust. These are ordinary Chondrites found embedded in the desert pavement so there may be some siliceous or carbonaceous caliche material on the rock. This can often be removed using a soft brush or even compressed air. The smallest meteorites are ~3.1 grams and the largest is 367 grams. This collection isn't full of little chips and small fragments, but instead has great rocks that show fantastic fusion crust and some are complete fragments. These meteorites are from the Mystical Arabian Peninsula country of Oman (Rub al Khali) and are available directly from me or through eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250713148220. Please email and we can discuss terms and such. Other Info: Most meteorites found on trips to Oman are ordinary chondrites and are small and not suitable for scientific study, but make excellent gifts for space fans, geological travelers and rock-hounds all around the world. And so I am letting this one go for a very good price. Many meteorites that have fallen in desert areas, like The Arabian Desert in Oman (Close to the Empty Quarter), don't weather quickly, but instead remain at or near the surface. The wind moves sand and debris to cover the meteorites one year and then exposes them the next so even when others have searched an area their tires can disturb the desert pavement enough that new meteorites are exposed during the next winds storm. Link to the table of meteorites: Click Here http://4-kats.homeip.net/rfs/list.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) EBAY AUCTIONS
Steve, The link you provided shows that illinoismeteorites currently has 0 items for sale. Best, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Mon, 10/18/10, steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com wrote: From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) EBAY AUCTIONS To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:19 PM Hi list.Just a heads up. All my auctions are ending tonight and tomorrow.All with buy it nows and best offers.Also dont forget free shipping.Thanks and have a good night. http://shop.ebay.com/illinoismeteorites Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! http://Chicagometeorites.com/ ebay:Illinoismeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
