Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE Magazine

2010-12-31 Thread Peter Marmet
Mine arrived two days ago here in Switzerland!
Wonderful read, especially the article about hourglass chondrules!

Best,
Peter
Bern, Switzerland
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/



2010/12/31 Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net:
 I received mine today as well, can't wait to read it!

 Best Regards,
 Greg

 
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 -Original Message- From: Bob King
 Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:52 PM
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 Mine came today, too. It's a great issue. Can't wait to read about
 hourglass chondrules. There's a great photo of Barringer on
 horseback at Meteor Crater, a newbie-friendly article on meteorwrongs,
 a fascinating account about checking out a possible meteorite mounted
 high on a wall in mosque in Istanbul, a report on Gibeon and lots
 more. Yours will come soon!
 Bob

 On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:07 PM, David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

 Dear Listees:

 I have just received an email from Hazel at METEORITE Magazine.  She
 indicated that the November issue was sent in mid-December and believes that
 any delays might be due to increased Christmas mail.

 So, keep the faith.

 Dave



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Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE Magazine

2010-12-31 Thread Stefan Brandes

I received mine last week
here in Austria!

All the best,
Stefan

- Original Message - 
From: Peter Marmet p.mar...@sunrise.ch

To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE Magazine


Mine arrived two days ago here in Switzerland!
Wonderful read, especially the article about hourglass chondrules!

Best,
Peter
Bern, Switzerland
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/



2010/12/31 Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net:

I received mine today as well, can't wait to read it!

Best Regards,
Greg


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-Original Message- From: Bob King
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:52 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE Magazine

Mine came today, too. It's a great issue. Can't wait to read about
hourglass chondrules. There's a great photo of Barringer on
horseback at Meteor Crater, a newbie-friendly article on meteorwrongs,
a fascinating account about checking out a possible meteorite mounted
high on a wall in mosque in Istanbul, a report on Gibeon and lots
more. Yours will come soon!
Bob

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:07 PM, David Pensenstadler dfpen...@yahoo.com
wrote:


Dear Listees:

I have just received an email from Hazel at METEORITE Magazine. She
indicated that the November issue was sent in mid-December and believes 
that

any delays might be due to increased Christmas mail.

So, keep the faith.

Dave



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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA finds extra-terrestrial amino-acids in Sudan meteor...

2010-12-31 Thread Martin Altmann
I understood rather, that it was meant, that they, using a collision model
for the formation ureilite parent body,
that the temperatures occurring in such an event annihilate the amino acids.

About temperatures of the atmospheric passage, when a meteorite fells, we
don't have to care.
Just look on a cross section of a fresh stone fall or a Sikhote, and you
see, that there were no such high temperatures at work inside.
As well as we have enough preserved amino acids in various carbonaceous
chondrites, CM, CR, CV...

So I think, it's about these amino acids formed after that collision event,
whether there are other mechanisms necessary than those, how the amino acids
were supposed to have formed in carbonaceous chondrites.

And here is also a problem, that the formation and the formation history of
the URE-parent-body seems to have been very complex and not yet fully
understood.

As always in such cases, David Weir gives the best overview about the
competing concepts.
(One of them contains btw. also aqueous alteration).
http://www.meteoritestudies.com/protected_KENNA.HTM

Also I think, heating by later impact events, like commonly happening on
asteroids in building regoliths on the surface isn't meant. 
Almahata is a polymict breccia, a jigsaw made of various ureilitic
lithologies as well as of ordinary and enstatite chondrites, even R-related
clasts were found, hence a mixed breccia, which we know of other meteorites
too, although with Almahata the mixture of the different constituents is
very special.
With such high temperatures mentioned, the primitive chondrite fragments
wouldn't be preserved.

Unfortunately the articles say nothing about, in which of the lithologies in
that breccia, the amino acids were found.


So if I understood the article correctly, it's about, how the formation of
amino acids could fit in the theories of the formation of the ureilite
parent body.

(The use of such vocables like impossible or forbidden in such articles
with a character of popular science, are stylistic devices to attract the
attention of the readers).

Btw. (and promised, for the last time in the year)
that Murchison is almost a synonym for extraterrestrial amino acids,
has two reasons. History, it felt just when the labs, waiting for the
Apollo-rocks were ready,
and secondly, with 100-150kgs it has by fr the largest tkw of all CMs,
hence a kind of 869 among the CM2.
Hence time and it's comfort availability made Murchison to that what it is.

Nowadays scientists have so much greater possibilities!

Huh, if I look only into the Chladni's Heirs portfolio of the very recent
few years.
Three different new CM2s, all with a preservation equivalent of W0 to W1,
the first CM1 outside Antarctica,
16 different CKs, a CR2 less weathered than the average, various COs and
CVs, a C without nothing, not to mention the ureilites...

...and we are only two out of many private dealers and hunters!

So, (to tickle Jason, hihi, although the amino acids possibly to be found in
these do have no terrestrial coordinates),
I think, that that kind of herostrati, arguing for a complete ban of
finding, trading and private collecting,
hence those, with the extremely conservative concept, that meteoritics
should be mainly the administering and preserving of old specimens as
national and historic curios and that the meteorite in the drawer or
decaying unfound in the soil garnished with a wreath braided of cheap morals
and expensive envy, is a higher good than the meteorite in the microprobe,
should now learn, not only that really not all of their colleagues are eager
to work only and always on Murchison,

but also that without the private finders, dealers aaand mainly the
private collectors, it doesn't work.

The private collectors, who nowadays almost alone are funding the recovering
of all these fantastic new possibilities, the stones, which still have so
much to tell about our solar system, the life and in the end about: us.
With each specimen they purchase.

For that the meteoricists owe great gratitude and respect to them,

as well as we want to express now our thank to the collectors for this year,


looking forward to the upcoming year,
which, although the dark powers of brutish- and ruthlessness in some
countries 
were raging the past year like never before,
shall be a turning point for the return to the find numbers we all once had
and the advent of an era of reason, joy and true enthusiasm.

Because these stones, which so persistently resist being found,
they have still so much to tell to us.


In this spirit:  Happy Finds  Findings to All in 2011!

Martin



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[meteorite-list] Meteorite search in the Saquia al Hamra

2010-12-31 Thread Meteorite-Recon.com
 
Dear list,
 
With a German-Russian-Swiss team we undertook a small field trip into the Saquia
al Hamra region in the Morrocan governed Western Sahara. The illustrated report
is now completed and may be viewed here:
 
http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/Meteorites_Western_Sahara_1.htm
 
As a non-native speaker I sincerely appreciate any corrections of spelling
and grammar errors off list.
 
Thanks for your interst, and a splendid start into 2011 to all of you.
 
Svend
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite search in the Saquia al Hamra

2010-12-31 Thread karmaka
Hello Svend

I just told Fabien Kuntz how much I enjoyed reading your report some days ago.
It's immensely interesting and funny. It makes one want to experience something 
similar.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience.

Have a great year 2011 with many new finds!

Martin

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An: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Meteorite search in the Saquia al Hamra

 
Dear list,
 
With a German-Russian-Swiss team we undertook a small field trip into the 
Saquia
al Hamra region in the Morrocan governed Western Sahara. The illustrated report
is now completed and may be viewed here:
 
http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/Meteorites_Western_Sahara_1.htm
 
As a non-native speaker I sincerely appreciate any corrections of spelling
and grammar errors off list.
 
Thanks for your interst, and a splendid start into 2011 to all of you.
 
Svend
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[meteorite-list] Blinded to Science - Silliman and Kingsley And Stones Falling From the Sky

2010-12-31 Thread Paul H.
Blinded to Science by Kathryn Boughton, 
Housatonic Times, December 31, 2010,
http://www.housatonictimes.com/articles/2010/12/31/life/doc4d1e0a831b7ed707792623.txt?viewmode=fullstory
http://www.housatonictimes.com/articles/2010/12/31/life/doc4d1e0a831b7ed707792623.txt
http://www.countytimes.com/articles/2010/12/30/life/doc4d1cbaf3c9653091992761.txt

Happy New Year

Paul H.

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[meteorite-list] Meteors scream over Maryland for past two nights

2010-12-31 Thread Paul H.
Meteors scream over Maryland for past two nights
StormWatch 7, December 30, 2010
http://www.tbd.com/blogs/weather/2010/12/meteors-streak-over-maryland-on-tuesday-wednesday-nights-6643.html

Witnesses startled by shooting star over Frederick
by Patti S. Borda, Federick News-Post, December 30, 2010
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=114410
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/storyTools/print_story.htm?storyID=114410cameFromSection=a1

Bright Md. meteor spotted Tuesday evening, The Baltimore
Sun, Frank Roylance's Sky Notes, December 30, 2010
http://weblogs.marylandweather.com/2010/12/bright_md_meteor_spotted_tuesd.html
http://tbd.ly/i8eDpi

The last article has a number of first-hand reports of the meteors.

Happy New Year,

Paul H.






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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA finds extra-terrestrial amino-acids in Sudan meteorites

2010-12-31 Thread Rob Matson
Thanks, Mark -- yes, that's a key bit of missing info! :-)  The
question remains, which particular petrology(ies) of Almahata
Sitta contained the amino acids? Perhaps it wasn't in a ureilitic
sample, but one of the main other breccia constituents, in which
case the amino acids wouldn't necessarily have had the ureilite
temperature history.

Thanks also to Martin, Anne and others who provided links to
more scientific papers -- perhaps the answer to my question
will be found among them.

Happy New Year, All!  --Rob

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]on Behalf Of Mark
Hammergren
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:59 PM
To: Mike Hankey; meteoritelist; Robert D.Matson
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA finds extra-terrestrial amino-acids
inSudan meteorites


The article is missing a description of the genesis of the asteroidal
material. Almahata Sitta is a ureilite (among other things), which cooled
from very high temperatures (in excess of 1100C) during its formation.

-- Mark

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[meteorite-list] Red Deer Hill

2010-12-31 Thread Chris Spratt
Looking for a small piece (3-4 g) of Red Deer Hill. A possible trade  
may be possible.


Email me privately.

Chris Spratt
(Via my iPhone)
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA finds extra-terrestrial amino-acids in Sudan meteorites

2010-12-31 Thread Meteorites USA
Did I miss the answers to these questions? Sorry if it's already been 
answered. ;)




On 12/30/2010 1:59 PM, Meteorites USA wrote:
This raises some very interesting question. If the interior (core) of 
the smaller stones from smaller meteorite falls such as Murchison, 
Tagish Lake, Allende, Ash Creek, Mifflin, or any meteorite fall for 
that matter, are still frozen during entry and upon impact, then would 
it be a stretch of logic to assume a larger iron mass, such as Canyon 
Diablo, which was estimated to be 50 meters wide, would also still 
have a frozen core upon impact?


After all it did hold probably most of it's cosmic velocity, meaning 
it was incandescent for just a few seconds at most, right? Even when 
you consider iron conducts heat much faster and more efficiently than 
stone, could such a large mass heat all the way to the core in just a 
couple few seconds?


Regards,
Eric



On 12/30/2010 1:41 PM, Matson, Robert D. wrote:

Hi Mike and List,

Have been meaning to post a reply about the article link Mike posted:


http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/301636
I assume they are talking about Almahata Sitta. I had not heard this
before.

Yes, Almahata Sitta is right. As we all know, ET amino acids have been
found in plenty of carbonaceous meteorites, perhaps most famously
within Murchison. So I was curious to find out what was so special
about finding them in carbon-rich 2008 TC3 (Almahata Sitta). A quote
from the article:

Amino-acids have been found in carbon-rich meteorites before but this
is the first time the acid substances have been found in a meteorite
as hot as 2,000 Fahrenheit (1,100c). This naturally heated hot rock
should have obliterated any form of organic material, reports National
Geographic.

Daniel Glavin, an astro-biologist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight
Centre in Maryland said, Previously, we thought the simplest way to
make amino acids in an asteroid was at cooler temperatures in the
presence of liquid water, this meteorite suggests there's another way
involving reactions in gases as a very hot asteroid cools down.

So the obvious question to ask is why anyone thinks that the interior
of 2008 TC3 was ever heated up to 1100 C? Sure, the *surface* of the
asteroid got very hot when it entered earth's atmosphere, but how is
that different from Murchison or any other meteorite-generating fall?
The interior of 2008 TC3 should never have been above freezing.

So something must be missing from the article to explain why they
believe Almahata Sitta's interior got so hot. About all I can come
up with is that they assumed 2008 TC3 was a rubble pile (almost
certainly true given the range of petrology), and that it fragmented
into tiny pieces very high in the atmosphere while still moving at
cosmic velocity. Instead of heat from ablation only affecting the
outer centimeter or so of the surface of a 4-meter monolithic rock,
all the individual fragments got the blast treatment. I still don't
buy it, though. Small fragments decelerate so rapidly that there
wouldn't be time to heat up the interior of even a 1 diameter rock.

So the question is, am I missing something?  --Rob
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite search in the Saquia al Hamra

2010-12-31 Thread Count Deiro
Dear Svend... and list,

I've just finished reading the engrossing account of the German-Russian-Swiss 
team's successful expedition into the Saquia al Hamra. Your narration and 
accompanying photography are the work of a truly talented raconteur and 
photographer. It wasn't possible for me to leave my monitor until your journey 
ended. 
And you implore us to correct your product. Hah! 

Glückliches Neues Neujahr! Gute Gesundheit und Wohlstand für Sie und Ihre 
Familie! 

Ich hoffe, dass wir Sie in Tucson sehen.

Guido   


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Sent: Dec 31, 2010 6:10 AM
To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite search in the Saquia al Hamra

 
Dear list,
 
With a German-Russian-Swiss team we undertook a small field trip into the 
Saquia
al Hamra region in the Morrocan governed Western Sahara. The illustrated report
is now completed and may be viewed here:
 
http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/Meteorites_Western_Sahara_1.htm
 
As a non-native speaker I sincerely appreciate any corrections of spelling
and grammar errors off list.
 
Thanks for your interst, and a splendid start into 2011 to all of you.
 
Svend
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: The End is Near

2010-12-31 Thread John.L.Cabassi
G'Day Everyone
I would like to wish you all a very exciting and hopefully safe New
Year. It has been a pleasure to read everyone's postings, positive and
negative, I draw no line. It's always been informative, I've learned
many things that I would not have learned without the great people that
congregate on this list.

To all of you many, many thanks and I wish you the best in the upcoming
year.

Cheers
John
IMCA # 2125

P.S.  A big thanks to you Art

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[meteorite-list] AD - Sale to HELP!

2010-12-31 Thread Greg Catterton
There was an emergency that came up and my wife and I had to come up with $2884 
on the spot.
I need to get some cash to pay our car payment and mortgage as it was money 
that was used... could not help it.

Check out my ebay listings and make offers for off ebay sales - I would rather 
avoid the fees if possible.
http://shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites/m.html
I am open to all REASONABLE offers until I am able to recover enough to pay the 
bills due.

I have some Park Forest Winslow Street hammer displays left - I need money bad, 
How does $35 per display sound? Cant beat deal on a hammerstone and pieces of a 
house hit by a meteorite!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=390262015365ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

Off meteorite topic...
Want one of the largest collections ever seen of Star Wars? $10,000 takes a 
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even cover shipping with that price.
You WILL NOT find a better deal, or a more extensive collection. Its taken me 
11 years to build this.
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IMCA member 4682
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[meteorite-list] Last update on my personal situation

2010-12-31 Thread Darren Garrison
I feel obliged to give this last update to my personal issue that I brought up
last week, then I'll stop with the off-topic posting.  My grandmother passed
away tonight at 11:11 PM.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Last update on my personal situation

2010-12-31 Thread John Teague
Darren,

Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your grandmother.  May time ease your 
pain.

John
Knoxville, Tennessee


-Original Message-
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Last update on my personal situation

I feel obliged to give this last update to my personal issue that I brought up
last week, then I'll stop with the off-topic posting.  My grandmother passed
away tonight at 11:11 PM.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Last update on my personal situation

2010-12-31 Thread John.L.Cabassi
G'Day Darren
Our thoughts and prayers are with you...  So sorry for your loss

John and Kat
IMCA # 2125


Weep not for me though I am gone
Into that gentle night
Grieve if you will, but not for long
Upon my soul's sweet flight.
I am at peace, my soul's at rest
There is no need for tears.
For with your love I was so blessed
For all those many years.
There is no pain, I suffer not,
The fear now all is gone.
Put now these things out of your thoughts,
In your memory I live on.
Remember not my fight for breath
Remember not the strife
Please do not dwell upon my death,
But celebrate my life.


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Garrison
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:37 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Last update on my personal situation


I feel obliged to give this last update to my personal issue that I
brought up last week, then I'll stop with the off-topic posting.  My
grandmother passed away tonight at 11:11 PM.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Last update on my personal situation

2010-12-31 Thread GREG LINDH

 
  Very sorry for your loss, Darren.  My thoughts and prayers are with you and 
those who loved your grandmother.

  May the New Year bring you peace.
 
 
  Greg L.

 
 

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 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:37:11 -0500
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Last update on my personal situation
 
 I feel obliged to give this last update to my personal issue that I brought up
 last week, then I'll stop with the off-topic posting. My grandmother passed
 away tonight at 11:11 PM.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Last update on my personal situation

2010-12-31 Thread Greg Hupe

Hello Darren,

I am so sorry to hear of your grandmother's passing.

My best to you and your family,
Greg


Greg Hupe


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From: Darren Garrison

Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 12:37 AM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Last update on my personal situation

I feel obliged to give this last update to my personal issue that I brought 
up

last week, then I'll stop with the off-topic posting.  My grandmother passed
away tonight at 11:11 PM.
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