Re: [meteorite-list] EETA 79001 and the Martian Atmosphere
It's been quite a few years since I've looked up close at this piece but here's a Ureilite with something similar. http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa2624.html Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: cdtuc...@cox.net; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EETA 79001 and the Martian Atmosphere Hi List. (Sorry if this is a duplicate post.) I have the remnants of a 550gr Brahin slice that definitely has bubbles in the olivine in a few spots. Any comments? - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EETA 79001 and the Martian Atmosphere Martin,List, Interesting that you mention bubbles in Maskelynite. I have a great picture taken by Tom Phillips of an amazing River Of Maskelynite With Bubbles Although this is from an unclassified meteorite it does check out pretty well both visually in thin section but, the chemistry is also correct for either a Lunar or a Martian meteorite, I'm sure Blain won't mind me mentioning that; At this Tucson Gem Show Blain Reed has acquired an amazing piece of hardware. It is called an XRF for X-ray Florescence. This is a hand held portable gun like instrument that when held up to the rock gives you an average of the chemistry it sniffs out of the rock. Blain was kind enough to use this machine to collect reading from known Lunar rocks in his collection (this way he knows they are in fact Lunar's) With this info he can compare the Known data with new Candidates. This for a small fee and it only takes about a minute. AMAZING . Blain rocks. In this way he has determined that this rock I show here with the river Of Maskelynite and Bubbles has a very good chance at being either Lunar of Martian. Apparently they are quite similar in this way. Although, The Numbers are dead on Lunar for this one. . Not only are the bulk amounts correct but so, are the Ratios. Especially the Fe/ Mn and so forth. Please see the attached pics and share your opinion. Any Scientists out there want to take a look? I also have another that Tom Phillips photographed that also checks out both Chemically and petrographically as Lunar or Martian but, with no visible river yet? It looks like mostly Olivine? But this ones Fe/Mn is definitely in the Martian Range. Very Cool. http://www.flickr.com/photos/13030472@N07/?saved=1 Any and all comments welcome. Email for more pics. Best regards, Carl Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Walter, only a remark... for not being the same thing like with the ominous purple halite-crystals containing liquid water in Zag, which are described in literature - but so far noone of the collectors ever found one in any of their 175kgs of slices... :-) Those inclusions in the Martian shock glasses - you can really have them as a collector too!! The fresh-shergottite-series - NWA 2975/2986/4766 seq.. there the maskelynite is still so fresh, that it is translucent. So it's possible without special equipment and special preparation to spot these inclusions in the maskelynite with a simple microscope under low magnification in cut surfaces. And you know what? Here and there these maskelynite patches contain little bubbles! A while ago a collector loaded up a photo he made from such a bubble out of that NWA-series in the German forum. Fascinating isn't it? So, dear collectors, I'm sure many of you have samples form that Martian, let's hunt for bubbles! Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Walter Branch Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2011 04:31 An: MeteorList Betreff: [meteorite-list] EETA 79001 and the Martian Atmosphere Hello Everyone, I feel like an idiot. I know that trapped atmospheric gases have been found in some martian meteorites but for some unexplained reason, I had always thought that the gases had been incorporated in the rock at the time of formation. I always wondered how gases from the martian atmosphere could have been trapped in a rock at the time it formed, particularly an igneous rock in an underground magma chamber. Well, thanks to William Cassidy, the man who founded ANSMET, I now realize my assumption was wrong. Cassidy makes it clear that gasses became trapped in martian rocks at the time of the impact which launched the rock from the surface. The rather lengthy quote below is from Cassidy's book Meteorites, Ice and Antarctica an excellent book (see more after the quote). From pages 119-121 EETA 79001 was an important find for another reason. It contained
Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU
Looking at your slices and their widmanstatten patterns it strikes me there is scope here for a book about identifying widmanstatten patterns and their subtle characteristics for individual finds/fallsor is their already one I'm not aware of...now there's a project for someone! Sorry can't help with identification, I'd just be guessingalthough pretty sure non of them is Taza. Graham, UK On 11 February 2011 05:22, Laurence Garvie lgar...@cox.net wrote: I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona State University. They can be seen at www.flickr.com/photos/meteorite_scientist/sets/72157625897257655/ If anyone recognizes any of the slices then please let me know at lgar...@asu.edu Thanks Laurence CMS ASU __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Sikhote Alin meteorites
Hi Ruben, I personally would let them, or at least some of them, uncleaned. Almost all of the Sikhotes of the great Russian years of the last decade were cleaned, many of them much too strongly, so that pieces with rusty patina are really an exception. And I would know a lot of collectors, who would love to own also a piece in as-found-condition besides their cleaned ones in their showcases. Speaking as a dealer, I would guess, you easily would get the same price for them as for the cleaned ones (and if you would be a greedy one, maybe even more, in highlighting that such a condition is a true exception). Speaking as collector, I would place them as they are next to the cleaned ones, and for the unlikely case you haven't any cleaned ones, just buy another lot of cleaned Sikhotes as an addition to the rusty ones. Best! Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU
I don't know Graham, whether that would work, Because the same iron can look very different, just depending on the angle of the cut plane through the crystals. Same applies especially to the Neumann lines. Laurence, any hints, how long those pieces are already in the collection? Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von e-mail ensoramanda Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Februar 2011 10:38 An: Laurence Garvie Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU Looking at your slices and their widmanstatten patterns it strikes me there is scope here for a book about identifying widmanstatten patterns and their subtle characteristics for individual finds/fallsor is their already one I'm not aware of...now there's a project for someone! Sorry can't help with identification, I'd just be guessingalthough pretty sure non of them is Taza. Graham, UK On 11 February 2011 05:22, Laurence Garvie lgar...@cox.net wrote: I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona State University. They can be seen at www.flickr.com/photos/meteorite_scientist/sets/72157625897257655/ If anyone recognizes any of the slices then please let me know at lgar...@asu.edu Thanks Laurence CMS ASU __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU
Hi Martin, In a way that's what I was saying.many etched iron slices have very characteristic patterns with regularly occurring inclusions etc which show up differently on the cut angleso as a project it would be very complex and would need to show how those things differ (or are similar) in each meteorite for different anglesbut it could be a wonderful resource if someone had the time and expertise to compile an illustrated book.. I would certainly buy it. Cheers, Graham On 11 February 2011 10:31, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: I don't know Graham, whether that would work, Because the same iron can look very different, just depending on the angle of the cut plane through the crystals. Same applies especially to the Neumann lines. Laurence, any hints, how long those pieces are already in the collection? Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von e-mail ensoramanda Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Februar 2011 10:38 An: Laurence Garvie Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU Looking at your slices and their widmanstatten patterns it strikes me there is scope here for a book about identifying widmanstatten patterns and their subtle characteristics for individual finds/fallsor is their already one I'm not aware of...now there's a project for someone! Sorry can't help with identification, I'd just be guessingalthough pretty sure non of them is Taza. Graham, UK On 11 February 2011 05:22, Laurence Garvie lgar...@cox.net wrote: I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona State University. They can be seen at www.flickr.com/photos/meteorite_scientist/sets/72157625897257655/ If anyone recognizes any of the slices then please let me know at lgar...@asu.edu Thanks Laurence CMS ASU __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU
Hi Laurence, that is not so easy to say. (#1) - i am nearly sure it is Page City (#2) - possible Orange River (#3) - possible Edmonton (Kentucky) (#4) - possible Smith's Mountain or maybe Tambo Quemado Best regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) --- Laurence Garvie lgar...@cox.net schrieb am Fr, 11.2.2011: Von: Laurence Garvie lgar...@cox.net Betreff: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Freitag, 11. Februar, 2011 06:22 Uhr I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona State University. They can be seen at www.flickr.com/photos/meteorite_scientist/sets/72157625897257655/ If anyone recognizes any of the slices then please let me know at lgar...@asu.edu Thanks Laurence CMS ASU __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU
Greetings, The Iron Handbooks by Buchwald would be the best source for trying to do this but one would have to consider irons that may have been found or fell after his putting the books together. I'll take a look at these later and venture a guess. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU Hi Martin, In a way that's what I was saying.many etched iron slices have very characteristic patterns with regularly occurring inclusions etc which show up differently on the cut angleso as a project it would be very complex and would need to show how those things differ (or are similar) in each meteorite for different anglesbut it could be a wonderful resource if someone had the time and expertise to compile an illustrated book.. I would certainly buy it. Cheers, Graham On 11 February 2011 10:31, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: I don't know Graham, whether that would work, Because the same iron can look very different, just depending on the angle of the cut plane through the crystals. Same applies especially to the Neumann lines. Laurence, any hints, how long those pieces are already in the collection? Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von e-mail ensoramanda Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Februar 2011 10:38 An: Laurence Garvie Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU Looking at your slices and their widmanstatten patterns it strikes me there is scope here for a book about identifying widmanstatten patterns and their subtle characteristics for individual finds/fallsor is their already one I'm not aware of...now there's a project for someone! Sorry can't help with identification, I'd just be guessingalthough pretty sure non of them is Taza. Graham, UK On 11 February 2011 05:22, Laurence Garvie lgar...@cox.net wrote: I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona State University. They can be seen at www.flickr.com/photos/meteorite_scientist/sets/72157625897257655/ If anyone recognizes any of the slices then please let me know at lgar...@asu.edu Thanks Laurence CMS ASU __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Particularly nice NWAs on Ebay
Please see my auctions that end in the morning. These are all nice NWAs that I bought more than 7 years ago in Morocco thats been sitting in my mothers basement since I left canada 6 or 7 years ago that I finally got around to having sent to me. Lots of crust and all started at a penny where some are still only bid at a penny. See my ebay user id AMUNRE Or Click here: http://stores.ebay.com/DEANS-COLLECTIBLES-AND-GEMSTONES Sincerely DEAN __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU
#1 is identical to the NWA iron that Ali Hmani has been selling for the past several years. It is from NWA (not Taza) but the name or number escapes me. This slices had the same blocky look to it. #2 Gibeon #3 Looks like Cooper, same shape and a finest pattern that has sort of a ghostly look to it. #4 as Mike said, that is Smith's Mountain. Matt Morgan --Original Message-- From: Laurence Garvie Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU Sent: Feb 10, 2011 10:22 PM I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona State University. They can be seen at www.flickr.com/photos/meteorite_scientist/sets/72157625897257655/ If anyone recognizes any of the slices then please let me know at lgar...@asu.edu Thanks Laurence CMS ASU __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re-2: Unknown irons at ASU
Hi Ruben, Laurence, List Ruben wrote: (1) Gibeon - (2) Toluca or Henbury - (3) Not Sure - (4) Not Sure No. 3 also looks a bit like Gibeon and No. 4 reminds me of Carbo! Cheers, Bernd To: mrmeteor...@gmail.com lgar...@cox.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU
Dear Matt, To #1 , please see the small gaps in the iron. This is typical for Page City and I know of no other iron of this type with this feature. I have almost all NWA iron in the collection. Such is not known to me. Please look to the Jim Schwade Collection catalog on page 59. I think the slice from the ASU collection is a full slice of the same endcut. And #2 sorry, but this is never Gibeon. In the photo is a medium or coarse octahedrite. Best regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) --- m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com schrieb am Fr, 11.2.2011: Von: m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU An: Laurence Garvie lgar...@cox.net, meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Freitag, 11. Februar, 2011 15:31 Uhr #1 is identical to the NWA iron that Ali Hmani has been selling for the past several years. It is from NWA (not Taza) but the name or number escapes me. This slices had the same blocky look to it. #2 Gibeon #3 Looks like Cooper, same shape and a finest pattern that has sort of a ghostly look to it. #4 as Mike said, that is Smith's Mountain. Matt Morgan --Original Message-- From: Laurence Garvie Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU Sent: Feb 10, 2011 10:22 PM I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona State University. They can be seen at www.flickr.com/photos/meteorite_scientist/sets/72157625897257655/ If anyone recognizes any of the slices then please let me know at lgar...@asu.edu Thanks Laurence CMS ASU __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Unknown irons at ASU
Hi Bernd, #4 is not Carbo. #4 is the most difficult. The iron look like there are many. So it can be: -Smith's Mountain -Tambo Quemado -Elbogen -Alt Bela -Djebel In-Azzene and other more. Best Regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) --- Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de schrieb am Fr, 11.2.2011: Von: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Betreff: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Unknown irons at ASU An: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com, Laurence Garvie lgar...@cox.net CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Freitag, 11. Februar, 2011 16:11 Uhr Hi Ruben, Laurence, List Ruben wrote: (1) Gibeon - (2) Toluca or Henbury - (3) Not Sure - (4) Not Sure No. 3 also looks a bit like Gibeon and No. 4 reminds me of Carbo! Cheers, Bernd To: mrmeteor...@gmail.com lgar...@cox.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU
Hi Mirko I made a mistake. 1 is what I meant to call Gibeon, but yes it does look like Page City. I see what you mean. And the slices of Page City were about 15 cm across, just like the one in the photo. No. 2 is what I meant to call NWA. This looks very much like the cut face of the material Ali had a few years back. I would wager a beer on it! Matt Morgan Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:13:15 To: Laurence Garvielgar...@cox.net; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; m...@mhmeteorites.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU Dear Matt, To #1 , please see the small gaps in the iron. This is typical for Page City and I know of no other iron of this type with this feature. I have almost all NWA iron in the collection. Such is not known to me. Please look to the Jim Schwade Collection catalog on page 59. I think the slice from the ASU collection is a full slice of the same endcut. And #2 sorry, but this is never Gibeon. In the photo is a medium or coarse octahedrite. Best regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) --- m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com schrieb am Fr, 11.2.2011: Von: m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU An: Laurence Garvie lgar...@cox.net, meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Freitag, 11. Februar, 2011 15:31 Uhr #1 is identical to the NWA iron that Ali Hmani has been selling for the past several years. It is from NWA (not Taza) but the name or number escapes me. This slices had the same blocky look to it. #2 Gibeon #3 Looks like Cooper, same shape and a finest pattern that has sort of a ghostly look to it. #4 as Mike said, that is Smith's Mountain. Matt Morgan --Original Message-- From: Laurence Garvie Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU Sent: Feb 10, 2011 10:22 PM I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona State University. They can be seen at www.flickr.com/photos/meteorite_scientist/sets/72157625897257655/ If anyone recognizes any of the slices then please let me know at lgar...@asu.edu Thanks Laurence CMS ASU __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Iron lattice graphics [Was: Unknown irons at ASU]
Graham, I'd venture to say such a project would be pretty costly and time consuming, and still wouldn't permit the viewer to see the lattice from an infinite number of angles. What would be really neat would be if some graphics guru on this list put together a tool that allowed the user to view the crystal lattice of the iron in 3D, rotate it around and travel through it. Possible an extension could be a demonstration of how the lattice grew and the iron condensed out of the melt. Just a couple of examples of what could be done that would be impossible to do with a book. I'm sure there are many more. To be honest, considering how much knowledge and talent that can be found on this list, I have to say I'm surprised no one has already done this. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cleaning Sikhote Alin meteorites
Martin, It's been my experience on eBay at least, that people won't buy uncleaned meteorites. I had a group of Odessa irons, some cleaned, some not. Every single one of the cleaned ones sold, not a single one of the rusty ones sold. I did receive numerous emails about condition issues with the meteorites though. People thought there was something wrong with them. --- I wanted to be a rocket scientist, but they said I was only good enough to be a bottle-rocket scientist. (PW) --- Phil Whitmer -- Hi Ruben, I personally would let them, or at least some of them, uncleaned. Almost all of the Sikhotes of the great Russian years of the last decade were cleaned, many of them much too strongly, so that pieces with rusty patina are really an exception. And I would know a lot of collectors, who would love to own also a piece in as-found-condition besides their cleaned ones in their showcases. Speaking as a dealer, I would guess, you easily would get the same price for them as for the cleaned ones (and if you would be a greedy one, maybe even more, in highlighting that such a condition is a true exception). Speaking as collector, I would place them as they are next to the cleaned ones, and for the unlikely case you haven't any cleaned ones, just buy another lot of cleaned Sikhotes as an addition to the rusty ones. Best! Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Sikhote Alin meteorites
Depending on the condition of the meteorites, you can put them into a rock tumbler with plastic beads or deburring media. It's the same stuff used to clean up castings and polish metal parts in a tumbler. I imagine this same treatment would also remove light to moderate surface oxidation on some irons. Instead of using water as a carrier, one could use alcohol. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 2/11/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Martin, It's been my experience on eBay at least, that people won't buy uncleaned meteorites. I had a group of Odessa irons, some cleaned, some not. Every single one of the cleaned ones sold, not a single one of the rusty ones sold. I did receive numerous emails about condition issues with the meteorites though. People thought there was something wrong with them. --- I wanted to be a rocket scientist, but they said I was only good enough to be a bottle-rocket scientist. (PW) --- Phil Whitmer -- Hi Ruben, I personally would let them, or at least some of them, uncleaned. Almost all of the Sikhotes of the great Russian years of the last decade were cleaned, many of them much too strongly, so that pieces with rusty patina are really an exception. And I would know a lot of collectors, who would love to own also a piece in as-found-condition besides their cleaned ones in their showcases. Speaking as a dealer, I would guess, you easily would get the same price for them as for the cleaned ones (and if you would be a greedy one, maybe even more, in highlighting that such a condition is a true exception). Speaking as collector, I would place them as they are next to the cleaned ones, and for the unlikely case you haven't any cleaned ones, just buy another lot of cleaned Sikhotes as an addition to the rusty ones. Best! Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD : 8.8kg uNWA lot
Dear list Members, Up for sale, a fine collection of high desert meteorites weighs 8.8kg at good price with free shipping. Contact me of list for rpicing and pictures. My best Aziz 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for Moon panoramas - please help
Hi Im looking for high resolution images of this three moon photos. Anyone know where I can download them ? I look on several Nasa websites but there are only small, patrial photos. I hope there is somewhere source of nice free panoramas like this made on Mars. http://moonpans.com/prints/40_A16landing.htm http://moonpans.com/prints/40_A16sta10.htm http://moonpans.com/signed/40a17sta5_tour.htm -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Moon panoramas - please help
You can find almost all of the original images from the Apollo missions at the image archive. The panorama was probably made from one of these high res images. http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/images16.html RobH http://www.processchemistry.com -- From: Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:10 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Moon panoramas - please help Hi Im looking for high resolution images of this three moon photos. Anyone know where I can download them ? I look on several Nasa websites but there are only small, patrial photos. I hope there is somewhere source of nice free panoramas like this made on Mars. http://moonpans.com/prints/40_A16landing.htm http://moonpans.com/prints/40_A16sta10.htm http://moonpans.com/signed/40a17sta5_tour.htm -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] “Where Did We Come From? NOVA Science NOW
Hi, The NOVA ScienceNOW episode entitled “Where Did We Come From? “will air on Wednesday, February 16, 2011. Laurence Garvie, Steve Desch and Ruben Garcia will appear with Neil Degrasse Tyson. The episode will begin with Ruben Garcia (Me) leading the hunt for cosmic visitors. Then the cameras will follow Dr. Garvie into his laboratory for classification and lastly Steve Desch will explain the importance of Iron 60 - found in meteorites. It was a cold and windy day and at times we had a hard time seeing a few yards in front of us. The sand storm was so bad that during the shoot that my windshield was ruined as it became pitted from the sandblasting it took. It will be interesting to see what editing was needed to make sense of it all. View photo’s and video here: http://www.mrmeteorite.com To see the commercial for the upcoming episode click here: http://video.pbs.org/video/1756649967 For behind the scenes photos click here: http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/meteoritemall/Ruben%20Garcia%20on%20NOVA%20Science%20NOW%20TV%20show/ -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] “Where Did We Come From? NOVA Science NOW
Who's this Ruben Garcia and why is he with real scientists?? Cool, man. Way to go guys! Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:44:10 To: Meteorite Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] “Where Did We Come From? NOVA Science NOW Hi, The NOVA ScienceNOW episode entitled “Where Did We Come From? “will air on Wednesday, February 16, 2011. Laurence Garvie, Steve Desch and Ruben Garcia will appear with Neil Degrasse Tyson. The episode will begin with Ruben Garcia (Me) leading the hunt for cosmic visitors. Then the cameras will follow Dr. Garvie into his laboratory for classification and lastly Steve Desch will explain the importance of Iron 60 - found in meteorites. It was a cold and windy day and at times we had a hard time seeing a few yards in front of us. The sand storm was so bad that during the shoot that my windshield was ruined as it became pitted from the sandblasting it took. It will be interesting to see what editing was needed to make sense of it all. View photo’s and video here: http://www.mrmeteorite.com To see the commercial for the upcoming episode click here: http://video.pbs.org/video/1756649967 For behind the scenes photos click here: http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/meteoritemall/Ruben%20Garcia%20on%20NOVA%20Science%20NOW%20TV%20show/ -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Inquiry
Anyone on List know, or have knowledge of, a Michael Oatman? Please contact me off List if you don't mind. Thank you, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU
Hello All, Iron number one is not Tafrawhet (NWA 860). The expression of widmanstatten patterns on irons' cut surfaces is governed by how a given iron is cut relative to the iron's internal octahedral structure. When cut parallel to the 001 miller indicatrix of the taenite octahedrons, they express a cubic, blocky structure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cutting_the_octaedron.gif For a great example of this, check any Cape York slices you might have; for some reason, most, if not all, of the Cape York on the market was cut like this. #1) Far too fresh to be your average Gibeon. While it *could* be Gibeon based on the pattern, it looks a little off, and the outer edge of that slice looks very fresh/possibly fusion crusted. Some Gibeons have fusion crust, but it's occurrence is so rare that I would hesitate before calling this slice Gibeon. I like Mirko's guess of Page City. I've seen photos of the main mass, and it was quite fresh, with a similar pattern. But I wouldn't consider that adequate evidence for determining what it is. If the size/shape matches up, maybe then... - What is certain is that it's not a plessitic octahedrite like Taza. #2) Now there's a good match for Tafrawhet if I've ever seen one. The main mass has a crack running down the middle, and it even has a thin black line running at an angle to the pattern - just like this slice! And a globby troilite inclusion *just like the one pictured* I can only assume that Matt mistook #2 for #1, because I think that #2 is actually a slice of NWA 860. Here's one: http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Tafrawet/ Note the crack I mentioned -- also visible in this slice -- and the shape matches up as well! -- And that black line running at an angle!!! I'd say this one's in the bag. #3) I've seen plenty of irons that look similar - best bet would probably be to do as some others have said and peruse Buchwald hoping to find something that looks good. #4) Yeah, talk about a dead ringer for Tambo Quemado, but...you say it's from an 1800's collection. Smith's Mountain? Sure... Best of luck -- glad I could help out with #2 anyways. Regards, Jason On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: Hi Mirko I made a mistake. 1 is what I meant to call Gibeon, but yes it does look like Page City. I see what you mean. And the slices of Page City were about 15 cm across, just like the one in the photo. No. 2 is what I meant to call NWA. This looks very much like the cut face of the material Ali had a few years back. I would wager a beer on it! Matt Morgan Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:13:15 To: Laurence Garvielgar...@cox.net; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; m...@mhmeteorites.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU Dear Matt, To #1 , please see the small gaps in the iron. This is typical for Page City and I know of no other iron of this type with this feature. I have almost all NWA iron in the collection. Such is not known to me. Please look to the Jim Schwade Collection catalog on page 59. I think the slice from the ASU collection is a full slice of the same endcut. And #2 sorry, but this is never Gibeon. In the photo is a medium or coarse octahedrite. Best regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) --- m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com schrieb am Fr, 11.2.2011: Von: m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU An: Laurence Garvie lgar...@cox.net, meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Freitag, 11. Februar, 2011 15:31 Uhr #1 is identical to the NWA iron that Ali Hmani has been selling for the past several years. It is from NWA (not Taza) but the name or number escapes me. This slices had the same blocky look to it. #2 Gibeon #3 Looks like Cooper, same shape and a finest pattern that has sort of a ghostly look to it. #4 as Mike said, that is Smith's Mountain. Matt Morgan --Original Message-- From: Laurence Garvie Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU Sent: Feb 10, 2011 10:22 PM I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona State University. They can be seen at
[meteorite-list] AD: 4 RARE TEKTITE BOOKS and a magazine article BARNES / O KEEFE / MC CALL / POVENMIRE and sadness note
Hello list: I have added the following information: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170599895434#ht_810wt_1139 I´m very sorry, but I am on a vacation spontaniously. So I can ship the books at 21th of february. But the winner get an extra bonus for the delay. I put a very rare fdc meteorite stamp with real meteorite dust for free. The stamp is from austria. -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I Heart Comets Campaign
Show some LOVE for comets: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/heartcomets/?cid=email_comet Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Surface Area or Weight
All: I think this may have been discussed on the list in the past, but I'm not sure. When it comes to meteorite’s value (especially rare types) is the value based solely on the weight of the specimen? Or can the total surface area be a factor? Take this as an example: Say you have 1 gram specimen of a rare type (perhaps planetary) which is cubed shaped and relatively small, and the second is 0.50 grams and is cut very thin, so it has a very large surface area and is very visually esthetic; how would they compare in value? I know complete stones may be more, and specimens with nice fusion crusts are also more, so there are cases where the same weight may have different values. I'm just curious, Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - February 9, 2011
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES February 9, 2011 o Dune Gullies in Matara Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_020058_1300 o A Classic Bowl on Mars http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_020245_2190 o Channels and Lava Flows on the Tharsis Plateau http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_020683_2010 o New Primary Craters in a Sea of Secondary Craters http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_020842_2030 o Conjoined Twins http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_020894_1395 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] “Where Did We Come From? NOVA Science NOW
Looking forward to it. Just shows the importance of both the Hunter and the Scientist, to better understand the cosmos. Greg S. Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:44:10 -0700 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] “Where Did We Come From? NOVA Science NOW Hi, The NOVA ScienceNOW episode entitled “Where Did We Come From? “will air on Wednesday, February 16, 2011. Laurence Garvie, Steve Desch and Ruben Garcia will appear with Neil Degrasse Tyson. The episode will begin with Ruben Garcia (Me) leading the hunt for cosmic visitors. Then the cameras will follow Dr. Garvie into his laboratory for classification and lastly Steve Desch will explain the importance of Iron 60 - found in meteorites. It was a cold and windy day and at times we had a hard time seeing a few yards in front of us. The sand storm was so bad that during the shoot that my windshield was ruined as it became pitted from the sandblasting it took. It will be interesting to see what editing was needed to make sense of it all. View photo’s and video here: http://www.mrmeteorite.com To see the commercial for the upcoming episode click here: http://video.pbs.org/video/1756649967 For behind the scenes photos click here: http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/meteoritemall/Ruben%20Garcia%20on%20NOVA%20Science%20NOW%20TV%20show/ -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: February 7-11, 2011
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES February 7-11, 2011 o South Polar Surface (07 February 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5570 o Juventae Chasma (08 February 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5571 o Windstreak (09 February 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5572 o South Polar Surface (10 February 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5573 o Richardson Crater Dunes (11 February 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5574 All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] “Where Did We Come From? NOVA Science NOW
Ha ha ... Matt you are so right. Truer words were never typed. Isn't America Great! On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:49 PM, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: Who's this Ruben Garcia and why is he with real scientists?? Cool, man. Way to go guys! Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:44:10 To: Meteorite Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] “Where Did We Come From? NOVA Science NOW Hi, The NOVA ScienceNOW episode entitled “Where Did We Come From? “will air on Wednesday, February 16, 2011. Laurence Garvie, Steve Desch and Ruben Garcia will appear with Neil Degrasse Tyson. The episode will begin with Ruben Garcia (Me) leading the hunt for cosmic visitors. Then the cameras will follow Dr. Garvie into his laboratory for classification and lastly Steve Desch will explain the importance of Iron 60 - found in meteorites. It was a cold and windy day and at times we had a hard time seeing a few yards in front of us. The sand storm was so bad that during the shoot that my windshield was ruined as it became pitted from the sandblasting it took. It will be interesting to see what editing was needed to make sense of it all. View photo’s and video here: http://www.mrmeteorite.com To see the commercial for the upcoming episode click here: http://video.pbs.org/video/1756649967 For behind the scenes photos click here: http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/meteoritemall/Ruben%20Garcia%20on%20NOVA%20Science%20NOW%20TV%20show/ -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Surface Area or Weight
Hello Greg S and Listers Now that is a great question about surface area vs weight. I think its subjective to the collector and what they collect. However, if you have a nice slice and there is a beautiful chondrole shape within the matrix, I could see that helping the value. I personally like fragments because they tend to be truer to the natural state of the meteorite. But again, a nice slice of Abee would beat out having a chunky piece of of it cause of the physical qualities of Abee when in a sliced form. And that also goes with pallasites, I think a slices would be great to have over a fragment. But I do fell that if the slice is too thin, I would be scared of breaking it, and would stay away from those personally. So all in all I would have to say it depends on the collector and if he/she choose to collect slice, fragments, whole stones, end pieces, micros, thin slices or part slices and the physical traits that meteorite might hold. Lastly here is a link I found on value of meteorites http://geology.com/meteorites/value-of-meteorites.shtml Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] Surface Area or WeightThunder Stone stanleygregr at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 17:51:44 EST 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] I Heart Comets Campaign Next message: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - February 9, 2011 Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] All: I think this may have been discussed on the list in the past, but I'm not sure. When it comes to meteorite’s value (especially rare types) is the value based solely on the weight of the specimen? Or can the total surface area be a factor? Take this as an example: Say you have 1 gram specimen of a rare type (perhaps planetary) which is cubed shaped and relatively small, and the second is 0.50 grams and is cut very thin, so it has a very large surface area and is very visually esthetic; how would they compare in value? I know complete stones may be more, and specimens with nice fusion crusts are also more, so there are cases where the same weight may have different values. I'm just curious, Greg S. Previous message: [meteorite-list] I Heart Comets Campaign Next message: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - February 9, 2011 Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] My reputation.
I would like my friends on List and in IMCA to know that the individual using the name Michael Oatman who attempted to besmirch me in a recent post apparently has no activity in the List archives and no one who has contacted me knows who the name belongs to in our tight little community. Therefore, I can assume that this was a coward using an alias to hide his falsehoods. I consider the matter closed and would like to thank the more than a dozen Listees who posted, on and off List, line messages of support. I've had a lengthy and pleasant conversation regarding auctions with Captain Blood and I also wish to thank him for his recent gracious post. He is a gentleman. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Surface Area or Weight
I'd love to chime in here. For example, as NWA 801 is already in my collection the 5gr range, I just purchased an ebay slice ~4cm across with multiple metal armored/rimmed chondrules and a huge surface area/weight ratio (it has become the fifth NWA801 in my collection, for the sole purpose of chosing later the one to keep)...when I weighed it, I was a bit shocked at it's 0.5 gram weightbut wait, there's more. In my limited experience strictly as a collector, a larger surface-area-to-weight ratio gives me the best x-section to view. Yet, it restricts my ability to ever re-sell it by weight, since it would be fabulously over-priced. So I guess it becomes an aesthetic thing. (can you imagine $200/gr for 801??!) I know that recently this has been discussed on the List (not mentioning weight, so how I pay without disclosing the denomination)...(Hi Luci)...I digress, but still, it is an amazing preparation, and I am pleased to have it. The Kainsaz slice I also bought from this same entitiy is so thin that it is transluscent(I tried XPL, but no birefringence)so for what it's worth, this will remain a debate? I think when we buy by weight, somewhere in the back of our heads $-resale-value comes into play. If that isn't a concern, by all means, buy what you like by dimension. If analysis is in play, well, I know you real scientists will have something to say. Richard Montgomery -Goldierocks- - Original Message - From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Surface Area or Weight All: I think this may have been discussed on the list in the past, but I'm not sure. When it comes to meteorite’s value (especially rare types) is the value based solely on the weight of the specimen? Or can the total surface area be a factor? Take this as an example: Say you have 1 gram specimen of a rare type (perhaps planetary) which is cubed shaped and relatively small, and the second is 0.50 grams and is cut very thin, so it has a very large surface area and is very visually esthetic; how would they compare in value? I know complete stones may be more, and specimens with nice fusion crusts are also more, so there are cases where the same weight may have different values. I'm just curious, Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Surface Area or Weight
Greg and List, I make the following assumptions as to Fair Market Value if we are dealing with a representative, equal weight, specimen of the same classification. Ranking in order of desireability and value to an average collector. Not a specialist in analysis, or classification, or other defined, non collecting, motivation. Total weight and rarity of the classification. Weight of the specimen. Provenance. Historic A hammer. A fall. An oriented crusted individual. A crusted individual. A polished crusted endcut. A polished crusted full slice. A polished crusted partial slice. A frag. A bessie spec, or micro. Thin sections are a world of their own and can be of more value in weight than an individual. Preparation in cut, etch and polishing materially affect value. Higher ratios of field to dimension increase value in slices. Mounting, info cards and packaging affect value of all specimens. The current availability is always an up and down factor. Stone meteorites tend to bring more money per gram than mesosiderites, or irons, all things considered. particularly in the rarer classifications. These are my off the top of my head assumptions based on the past two years of blowing my entire spendable income of meteorites. Go ahead! Tear it apart! Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com Sent: Feb 11, 2011 2:51 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Surface Area or Weight All: I think this may have been discussed on the list in the past, but I'm not sure. When it comes to meteorite’s value (especially rare types) is the value based solely on the weight of the specimen? Or can the total surface area be a factor? Take this as an example: Say you have 1 gram specimen of a rare type (perhaps planetary) which is cubed shaped and relatively small, and the second is 0.50 grams and is cut very thin, so it has a very large surface area and is very visually esthetic; how would they compare in value? I know complete stones may be more, and specimens with nice fusion crusts are also more, so there are cases where the same weight may have different values. I'm just curious, Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Large Patrimonio Specimen, for looking!
I thought some of the folks that collect witnessed falls may like to see this recent acquisition. I was told it was the largest piece outside of the Brazilian Museum. Sure is nice! Enjoy... http://www.mhmeteorites.com/MileHighMeteoritesEducationalCollection/patrimoniol6back.html http://www.mhmeteorites.com/MileHighMeteoritesEducationalCollection/patrimoniol6front.html Matt Morgan Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Surface Area or Weight
Count, Thank you for your comprehensive list. I do think you forgot one element. Aesthetics. Gujba, as well as being a fall and of a rare class, is also extremely beautiful. My small slice is one of the crown jewels in my collection. My slice of Abee is also one of my treasures for similar reasons. I have turned down some rare types (not thrilled with brachinites) because, although rare and hard to get, are just not pretty enough at the prices being asked. For me, some prices are too high for material that doesn't sparkle or show off neat features and interesting colours. I still believe Gujba is one of the best buys out there. Also, fortunately, there are some wonderful buys in OC's which show of gorgeous chondrules. Aesthetics may not play a significant roll for many but it is high on my list of what I value in meteorites. My selection criteria list would be slightly different than yours and the order can change a little. Here it is. Weight of the specimen. Historic Aesthetics Provenance. Total weight and rarity of the classification. A fall. An oriented crusted individual. A crusted individual. A polished crusted endcut. A polished crusted full slice. (depending on size, this may move up even above an individual. Who wants a Gujba individual over a slice?) A polished crusted partial slice. A frag. A bessie spec, or micro. Cheers! Mike Tettenborn On 11/02/2011 8:19 PM, Count Deiro wrote: Greg and List, I make the following assumptions as to Fair Market Value if we are dealing with a representative, equal weight, specimen of the same classification. Ranking in order of desireability and value to an average collector. Not a specialist in analysis, or classification, or other defined, non collecting, motivation. Total weight and rarity of the classification. Weight of the specimen. Provenance. Historic A hammer. A fall. An oriented crusted individual. A crusted individual. A polished crusted endcut. A polished crusted full slice. A polished crusted partial slice. A frag. A bessie spec, or micro. Thin sections are a world of their own and can be of more value in weight than an individual. Preparation in cut, etch and polishing materially affect value. Higher ratios of field to dimension increase value in slices. Mounting, info cards and packaging affect value of all specimens. The current availability is always an up and down factor. Stone meteorites tend to bring more money per gram than mesosiderites, or irons, all things considered. particularly in the rarer classifications. These are my off the top of my head assumptions based on the past two years of blowing my entire spendable income of meteorites. Go ahead! Tear it apart! Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: Thunder Stonestanleygr...@hotmail.com Sent: Feb 11, 2011 2:51 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Surface Area or Weight All: I think this may have been discussed on the list in the past, but I'm not sure. When it comes to meteorite’s value (especially rare types) is the value based solely on the weight of the specimen? Or can the total surface area be a factor? Take this as an example: Say you have 1 gram specimen of a rare type (perhaps planetary) which is cubed shaped and relatively small, and the second is 0.50 grams and is cut very thin, so it has a very large surface area and is very visually esthetic; how would they compare in value? I know complete stones may be more, and specimens with nice fusion crusts are also more, so there are cases where the same weight may have different values. I'm just curious, Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Surface Area or Weight
Count, Thank you for your comprehensive list. I do think you forgot one element. Aesthetics. Gujba, as well as being a fall and of a rare class, is also extremely beautiful. My small slice is one of the crown jewels in my collection. My slice of Abee is also one of my treasures for similar reasons. I have turned down some rare types (not thrilled with brachinites) because, although rare and hard to get, are just not pretty enough at the prices being asked. For me, some prices are too high for material that doesn't sparkle or show off neat features and interesting colours. I still believe Gujba is one of the best buys out there. Also, fortunately, there are some wonderful buys in OC's which show of gorgeous chondrules. Aesthetics may not play a significant roll for many but it is high on my list of what I value in meteorites. My selection criteria list would be slightly different than yours and the order can change a little. Here it is. Weight of the specimen. Historic Aesthetics Provenance. Total weight and rarity of the classification. A fall. An oriented crusted individual. A crusted individual. A polished crusted endcut. A polished crusted full slice. (depending on size, this may move up even above an individual. Who wants a Gujba individual over a slice?) A polished crusted partial slice. A frag. A bessie spec, or micro. Cheers! Mike Tettenborn On 11/02/2011 8:19 PM, Count Deiro wrote: Greg and List, I make the following assumptions as to Fair Market Value if we are dealing with a representative, equal weight, specimen of the same classification. Ranking in order of desireability and value to an average collector. Not a specialist in analysis, or classification, or other defined, non collecting, motivation. Total weight and rarity of the classification. Weight of the specimen. Provenance. Historic A hammer. A fall. An oriented crusted individual. A crusted individual. A polished crusted endcut. A polished crusted full slice. A polished crusted partial slice. A frag. A bessie spec, or micro. Thin sections are a world of their own and can be of more value in weight than an individual. Preparation in cut, etch and polishing materially affect value. Higher ratios of field to dimension increase value in slices. Mounting, info cards and packaging affect value of all specimens. The current availability is always an up and down factor. Stone meteorites tend to bring more money per gram than mesosiderites, or irons, all things considered. particularly in the rarer classifications. These are my off the top of my head assumptions based on the past two years of blowing my entire spendable income of meteorites. Go ahead! Tear it apart! Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: Thunder Stonestanleygr...@hotmail.com Sent: Feb 11, 2011 2:51 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Surface Area or Weight All: I think this may have been discussed on the list in the past, but I'm not sure. When it comes to meteorite’s value (especially rare types) is the value based solely on the weight of the specimen? Or can the total surface area be a factor? Take this as an example: Say you have 1 gram specimen of a rare type (perhaps planetary) which is cubed shaped and relatively small, and the second is 0.50 grams and is cut very thin, so it has a very large surface area and is very visually esthetic; how would they compare in value? I know complete stones may be more, and specimens with nice fusion crusts are also more, so there are cases where the same weight may have different values. I'm just curious, Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] the black nwa nwa 1685 (AD)
Hi list.Is there any black nwa forsale anywhere? NWA 1685! Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for small piece of Mifflin, Wisconsin?
Hi All, Just wondering if someone has a small piece of Mifflin, Wisconsin that they could part with for me. I live in Southern Wisconsin, not far from the fall actually, saved the newspapers, and even looked for a few weeks for a one myself, but alas, to no avail. Don't have a heck-of-a lot of $$ to spend, but I would love to have a small piece in my collection. Would be great to have a piece now that the PACKERS have won Super Bowl 45. Kind of a present for myself, as it were. Please let me know off-list. Would like good provenance to go along with the piece too please. Contact me off-list at: ba...@chorus.net. Thank you very much!! Kirk.:-) Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Moon panoramas - please help
Hi Marcin, Here are two of the stitched images. Suitable for viewing as large format images, if you would like to print either of these images I can email you a full resolution TIFF image. Using the jpg images as print source may result in odd aberrations. Please let me know if they look good to you. http://4-kats.homeip.net/Apollo16/Rover_With_LMR01.jpg http://4-kats.homeip.net/Apollo16/Rover_With_LMR02.jpg I'd love to live in a land of spaceships. :-) Rob H -- From: Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:53 AM To: Rob Holcomb rob.holc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Moon panoramas - please help thanks I will try to make one :) - Original Message - From: Rob Holcomb rob.holc...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Moon panoramas - please help You can find almost all of the original images from the Apollo missions at the image archive. The panorama was probably made from one of these high res images. http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/images16.html RobH http://www.processchemistry.com -- From: Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:10 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Moon panoramas - please help Hi Im looking for high resolution images of this three moon photos. Anyone know where I can download them ? I look on several Nasa websites but there are only small, patrial photos. I hope there is somewhere source of nice free panoramas like this made on Mars. http://moonpans.com/prints/40_A16landing.htm http://moonpans.com/prints/40_A16sta10.htm http://moonpans.com/signed/40a17sta5_tour.htm -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
