[meteorite-list] Sylacauga Historical Marker?
Last May 22nd an Historical Marker was erected near the site of the Sylacauga fall. I was just wondering if anyone has a photo of the marker they could share? I also see the Net database mentions the two reported locations are separated by 5km, so the location of the marker would be interesting if anyone knows that too. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ontario Bolide with Sounds 2 or more large events?
Dear List, Ontario Green fireball 1:30 am 10April2011 Wooler, Ontario Bolide with Rumbling and Popping 12:51 am 10APR2011 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/04/ontario-green-fireball-130-am.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting (LAWS) by Country
Hi Roman, meteorites are so scarce, that it is very unlikely that in many states a special legislation does exist for them at all. Currently you have more than 200 nations on the globe. Most of them are subdivided into smaller administrative units with own legal regulations. So you would have to check, which laws do exist, you would have to interpret existing laws, which werent made for meteorites, whether they can be overstretched to cover meteorites and you would have to prove, whether different laws override each other. Simple examples: Analog.. in my little home state, the free state of Bavaria, it is forbidden to remove any artifact from the soil. So normally you'd say, anyone praising an artifact for sale, telling he found it in Bavaria, would act illegally. - Well, but we have another law, that despite the act of removing the artifact from the soil is illegal, nevertheless the finder becomes legal owner of the artifact. Drive 50 miles into another federal state, there you have a different legislation, there the state is owner of such a find. HUhuhu, the dimensions, because some try to lump meteorites together with a artifacts under one law: Per year the chief of the archeological office estimates, that more than 1 million of artifacts are lost due to this regulation in Bavaraia. Meteorites found per year in Bavaria: 0.02. Therefore we don't have a law for meteorites, the constitution interdicts to create laws for single cases. Other example - Neuschwanstein III, there the court decided not only about the question about the ownership landowner versus finder - which concerns whole Austria, but also whether the finder was legally allowed to pick up that stone. That was another, an environmental law, only valuable for the federal state of Tyrol. And there he was allowed to do so, cause the stone had a certain size only and he didn't use heavy equipment to remove it from the soil. So if the stone would have been larger, who knows... And anyway it was a court of first instance, a court of the next instance could have come to a different sentence. (But finder and landowner came to an agreement outside of court). Austria is as small as Indiana, but has 9 federal states. So you see Roman, where the problem is (if one can call it so, cause we're talking with meteorites still about weird trivia). You would have to check Himalayas of regulations and laws, whether there are some, whether there are none, you would have to interpret laws, which is at best and in case the job of a court, you would have to do that for different questions: Landowner vs. Finder. Hunting, Trespassing, Removal, Export. State versus individuals, ect. pp. - and that for thousands and thousands of regulations of thousands of administrative territories and that all considering different legal systems, you have some which work with precedences, others which make decisions on a case base...and so on. Also in some cases you will have laws, which are in contradiction to the constitution of the respective country, hence in the case of application not valuable And in the end you wouldn't despite all that not be able to give legally binding information. It's everything else than trivial. You saw it that even SchmittBarristers, lawyers, failed to give correct information about relatively simple looking regulations. And all in all, Roman - we shouldn't exaggerate!! On whole world and in all history, there exist almost no court cases about meteorites. And those few we have, were almost all between private parties, about who is the owner or about simple theft. And why do we have so few court decisions? Because meteorites are so rare and because quite all involved are mature and reasonable people living in reality, who come to agreements outside of any court. And involved are in fact only a couple of individuals worldwide - quite all the World give a fig for meteorites. It's a non-problem. But those involved: For all of them a new find of a meteorite is an exciting and joyful thing. So I think, we all shouldn't be too much influenced by the very few persons, who are not mature enough to welcome the great development meteoritics took, and who are of destructive nature acting with egoistic motivations and that's how these laws are made at all, by instigation of single individuals, as easily can be proved by the historical sources - because in the end, soberly checking the data it's evident, that they act contrary to the common welfare and the interest of their nations. Look Roman, although I feel sometimes so ld, I'm not. But when I started - all these laws issues were absolutely no topic at all, and I count myself very lucky, to live exactly in these times! Because that what we have seen in meteoritics during the last two decades only, it was all the centuries before beyond any imagination. It's simply wonderful. And if there are really a few, who take umbrage to that enormous boost of earthly and planetary science by means of
[meteorite-list] 2 freebies left
Hi again list.Its supposed to be 85 degrees in chitown today.Very unusal for this time of the year.I have 1 stone and 1 campo crystal left for freebies.Thats it and theres no more.So chime in.All freebies are going out today and thanks again and its my pleasure to do this for you.Have a great day. Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD- Ebay - Imilac and Sikhote-Alin ending this Evening!
Hey everyone, Just wanted to give a friendly reminder that my two listings are finishing this evening starting at 7:30 PDT. They are still at bargain prices! Here are the links again: 122g Sikhote-Alin: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=130504903448ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_500wt_1156 38.6g Imilac Pallasite: http://cgi.ebay.com/Sikhote-Alin-Meteorite-122g-/130504906612?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item1e62b2d774#ht_500wt_1156 Happy Sunday! -- Felipe __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chicxulub Impact Crater focus for ocean drilling plans
Dino crater focus for ocean drilling plans by Richard Black BBC News, April 5, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12969599 http://news.maars.net/blog/2011/04/06/dino-crater-focus-for-ocean-drilling-plans/ Researchers To Drill Chicxulub Crater, RedOrbit http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/2024969/researchers_to_drill_chicxulub_crater/ Scientific Drilling of the Chicxulub Impact Crater - Various PDF Files http://canadaodp.earthsciences.dal.ca/new/drilling_proposal/morgan_09abs.pdf http://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EGU2011/EGU2011-9279.pdf http://www.iodp.org/iodp_journals/11_Joint_IODP_ICDP_SD4.pdf Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Huge Asteroid to Pass Near Earth in November
Huge Asteroid to Pass Near Earth in November Leonard David, SPACE.com http://www.space.com/11310-huge-asteroid-2005-yu55-passing-earth-november.html Large asteroid 2005 YU55 paying close visit to Earth in November, Digital Journal http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/305500 The report is: Asteroid 2005 YU55 to Approach Earth on November 8, 2011 by Don Yeomans, Lance Benner and Jon Giorgini http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news171.html Other articles about near Earth asteroids. Asteroid Follows Earth's Orbit, Scientific American http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=asteroid-follows-earths-orbit-11-04-08 Asteroid stalks Earth for 25 years, Cosmos http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/4210/asteroid-follows-earth-25-years Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] How do you pronounce...
I'm compiling a pronunciation guide that I'll post to the list. Any help is greatly appreciated and feel free to send more meteorite names. I found some help scanning the MetList archives for the last year: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html Paul Swartz Agoult (Morocco) Begaa (Morocco) Brahin (Belarus) Djoumine (Tunisia) D'Orbigny (Argentina) Gao Guenie (Burkina Faso) Gujba (Nigeria) Huckitta (Australia) I've heard hoo-KEET-ah and HUCK-i-tuh Huaytiquina (Argentina) Isheyevo (Russia) Jackalsfontein (South Africa) Jalu (Libya) Juvinas (France) Kainsaz (Russia) Kapoeta (Sudan) L'aigle (France)LAY-gluh from a 3/13/10 post Majuba 005 (Nevada) Mbale (Uganda) Muonionalusta (Sweden) Orgueil (France) OR-gooey from a 3/13/10 post Oum Dreyga (Western Sahara) Pillistfer (Estonia) Pultusk (Poland) Quijingue (Brazil) Rupota (Tanzania) Sayh al Uhaymir (Oman) Sikhote-alin (East Russia) http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin (holy cow!) Tatahouine (Tunisia) Tuxtuac (Mexico) Uruacu (Brazil) HK told me oor-ooh-ah-SOO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce...
Hi, Great idea, but you forgot Gebel Kamil.. On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:54 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote: I'm compiling a pronunciation guide that I'll post to the list. Any help is greatly appreciated and feel free to send more meteorite names. I found some help scanning the MetList archives for the last year: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html Paul Swartz Agoult (Morocco) Begaa (Morocco) Brahin (Belarus) Djoumine (Tunisia) D'Orbigny (Argentina) Gao Guenie (Burkina Faso) Gujba (Nigeria) Huckitta (Australia) I've heard hoo-KEET-ah and HUCK-i-tuh Huaytiquina (Argentina) Isheyevo (Russia) Jackalsfontein (South Africa) Jalu (Libya) Juvinas (France) Kainsaz (Russia) Kapoeta (Sudan) L'aigle (France) LAY-gluh from a 3/13/10 post Majuba 005 (Nevada) Mbale (Uganda) Muonionalusta (Sweden) Orgueil (France) OR-gooey from a 3/13/10 post Oum Dreyga (Western Sahara) Pillistfer (Estonia) Pultusk (Poland) Quijingue (Brazil) Rupota (Tanzania) Sayh al Uhaymir (Oman) Sikhote-alin (East Russia) http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin (holy cow!) Tatahouine (Tunisia) Tuxtuac (Mexico) Uruacu (Brazil) HK told me oor-ooh-ah-SOO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting (LAWS) by Country
Hi Martin and Roman, One other problem I would see if someone went to the trouble of trying to put all this in a reference guide to let would be hunters know what laws exist, is the probability of the laws always changing. It would be valid perhaps the first year then after that possible new laws might be in acted that could alter where hunters could hunt in different countries. If someone were to go to the trouble of trying to compose such a guide, I'd enlist meteorite enthusiast from around the globe to check out laws in various places, give them a time frame, then put together all the known area laws into the guide. You would no doubt have to have some areas listed as unknown and to hunt only after you check out local laws, get permission and so forth. Probably the most valid item would be to see if the landowner has rights on their own property. Negative aspect of all this is countries might see the guide and make new laws where none existed before hand. Creating a guide would certainly would be a monumental task that is for sure. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting (LAWS) by Country Hi Roman, meteorites are so scarce, that it is very unlikely that in many states a special legislation does exist for them at all. Currently you have more than 200 nations on the globe. Most of them are subdivided into smaller administrative units with own legal regulations. So you would have to check, which laws do exist, you would have to interpret existing laws, which weren't made for meteorites, whether they can be overstretched to cover meteorites and you would have to prove, whether different laws override each other. Simple examples: Analog.. in my little home state, the free state of Bavaria, it is forbidden to remove any artifact from the soil. So normally you'd say, anyone praising an artifact for sale, telling he found it in Bavaria, would act illegally. - Well, but we have another law, that despite the act of removing the artifact from the soil is illegal, nevertheless the finder becomes legal owner of the artifact. Drive 50 miles into another federal state, there you have a different legislation, there the state is owner of such a find. HUhuhu, the dimensions, because some try to lump meteorites together with a artifacts under one law: Per year the chief of the archeological office estimates, that more than 1 million of artifacts are lost due to this regulation in Bavaraia. Meteorites found per year in Bavaria: 0.02. Therefore we don't have a law for meteorites, the constitution interdicts to create laws for single cases. Other example - Neuschwanstein III, there the court decided not only about the question about the ownership landowner versus finder - which concerns whole Austria, but also whether the finder was legally allowed to pick up that stone. That was another, an environmental law, only valuable for the federal state of Tyrol. And there he was allowed to do so, cause the stone had a certain size only and he didn't use heavy equipment to remove it from the soil. So if the stone would have been larger, who knows... And anyway it was a court of first instance, a court of the next instance could have come to a different sentence. (But finder and landowner came to an agreement outside of court). Austria is as small as Indiana, but has 9 federal states. So you see Roman, where the problem is (if one can call it so, cause we're talking with meteorites still about weird trivia). You would have to check Himalayas of regulations and laws, whether there are some, whether there are none, you would have to interpret laws, which is at best and in case the job of a court, you would have to do that for different questions: Landowner vs. Finder. Hunting, Trespassing, Removal, Export. State versus individuals, ect. pp. - and that for thousands and thousands of regulations of thousands of administrative territories and that all considering different legal systems, you have some which work with precedences, others which make decisions on a case base...and so on. Also in some cases you will have laws, which are in contradiction to the constitution of the respective country, hence in the case of application not valuable And in the end you wouldn't despite all that not be able to give legally binding information. It's everything else than trivial. You saw it that even SchmittBarristers, lawyers, failed to give correct information about relatively simple looking regulations. And all in all, Roman - we shouldn't exaggerate!! On whole world and in all history, there exist almost no court cases about meteorites. And those few we have, were almost all between private parties, about who is the owner or about simple theft. And why do we have so few court decisions? Because meteorites are so rare and because
[meteorite-list] AD Very rare porous Chondrite for sale!!!
Hey List, I have a new Meteorite for sale. The material is very unusal and interesting. Facts: NWA 6412 S1 W1 TKW 1716g The fresh matrix is very porous and friable. A other very cool thing is that if you look at the slices you can see a lot of Chondrules in 3D-view which is not so ofter. Its perfect to show how a Chondrite is built. I must say that I never saw such a material before. Here are the slices which are for sale. http://gavie.de/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=50Itemid=61 If you are interested contact me! Mail: david-goettl...@web.de Cheers David ___ Empfehlen Sie WEB.DE DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.web.de __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce...
yes, terrific idea. here's one... Marjalahti - MAR-ya-LA-tee On Apr 10, 2011, at 12:54 PM, valpar...@aol.com wrote: I'm compiling a pronunciation guide that I'll post to the list. Any help is greatly appreciated and feel free to send more meteorite names. I found some help scanning the MetList archives for the last year: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html Paul Swartz Agoult (Morocco) Begaa (Morocco) Brahin (Belarus) Djoumine (Tunisia) D'Orbigny (Argentina) Gao Guenie (Burkina Faso) Gujba (Nigeria) Huckitta (Australia) I've heard hoo-KEET-ah and HUCK-i-tuh Huaytiquina (Argentina) Isheyevo (Russia) Jackalsfontein (South Africa) Jalu (Libya) Juvinas (France) Kainsaz (Russia) Kapoeta (Sudan) L'aigle (France)LAY-gluh from a 3/13/10 post Majuba 005 (Nevada) Mbale (Uganda) Muonionalusta (Sweden) Orgueil (France) OR-gooey from a 3/13/10 post Oum Dreyga (Western Sahara) Pillistfer (Estonia) Pultusk (Poland) Quijingue (Brazil) Rupota (Tanzania) Sayh al Uhaymir (Oman) Sikhote-alin (East Russia) http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin (holy cow!) Tatahouine (Tunisia) Tuxtuac (Mexico) Uruacu (Brazil) HK told me oor-ooh-ah-SOO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] important business
Lurking list member, I had a dream two nights ago and someone whom I had heard of But hadn't met offered to trade to me all he found of a recent fall. He had gathered the entire lot which consisted of only 4 pieces, But each sized around 1/4 LB of butter or so. The remarkable thing about this meteorite was it was its strikingly gold colored fusion crust and deep rich salmon pink interior, making it The most visually remarkable meteorite I had ever seen. If you are the finder in my dream, please contact me immediately as I would like to conclude the transaction. Best wishes, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting (LAWS) by Country
Hi Al, You hit the nail square on the head. Maintaining a book like this could be like trying to herd cats. Given the instability in the Middle-East, with government changes, etc, the laws there can change by the hour. Unfortunately, if Michael Farmer and Robert Ward had such a publication with them, and quoted Oman's laws from it when they were taken into custody or during their trial - the outcome would not have been any different. Even so, it would be a great guide to help prevent meteorite hunters from breaking any laws. Ed - Original Message - From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Roman Jirasek rom...@sympatico.ca; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting (LAWS) by Country Hi Martin and Roman, One other problem I would see if someone went to the trouble of trying to put all this in a reference guide to let would be hunters know what laws exist, is the probability of the laws always changing. It would be valid perhaps the first year then after that possible new laws might be in acted that could alter where hunters could hunt in different countries. If someone were to go to the trouble of trying to compose such a guide, I'd enlist meteorite enthusiast from around the globe to check out laws in various places, give them a time frame, then put together all the known area laws into the guide. You would no doubt have to have some areas listed as unknown and to hunt only after you check out local laws, get permission and so forth. Probably the most valid item would be to see if the landowner has rights on their own property. Negative aspect of all this is countries might see the guide and make new laws where none existed before hand. Creating a guide would certainly would be a monumental task that is for sure. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting (LAWS) by Country Hi Roman, meteorites are so scarce, that it is very unlikely that in many states a special legislation does exist for them at all. Currently you have more than 200 nations on the globe. Most of them are subdivided into smaller administrative units with own legal regulations. So you would have to check, which laws do exist, you would have to interpret existing laws, which weren't made for meteorites, whether they can be overstretched to cover meteorites and you would have to prove, whether different laws override each other. Simple examples: Analog.. in my little home state, the free state of Bavaria, it is forbidden to remove any artifact from the soil. So normally you'd say, anyone praising an artifact for sale, telling he found it in Bavaria, would act illegally. - Well, but we have another law, that despite the act of removing the artifact from the soil is illegal, nevertheless the finder becomes legal owner of the artifact. Drive 50 miles into another federal state, there you have a different legislation, there the state is owner of such a find. HUhuhu, the dimensions, because some try to lump meteorites together with a artifacts under one law: Per year the chief of the archeological office estimates, that more than 1 million of artifacts are lost due to this regulation in Bavaraia. Meteorites found per year in Bavaria: 0.02. Therefore we don't have a law for meteorites, the constitution interdicts to create laws for single cases. Other example - Neuschwanstein III, there the court decided not only about the question about the ownership landowner versus finder - which concerns whole Austria, but also whether the finder was legally allowed to pick up that stone. That was another, an environmental law, only valuable for the federal state of Tyrol. And there he was allowed to do so, cause the stone had a certain size only and he didn't use heavy equipment to remove it from the soil. So if the stone would have been larger, who knows... And anyway it was a court of first instance, a court of the next instance could have come to a different sentence. (But finder and landowner came to an agreement outside of court). Austria is as small as Indiana, but has 9 federal states. So you see Roman, where the problem is (if one can call it so, cause we're talking with meteorites still about weird trivia). You would have to check Himalayas of regulations and laws, whether there are some, whether there are none, you would have to interpret laws, which is at best and in case the job of a court, you would have to do that for different questions: Landowner vs. Finder. Hunting, Trespassing, Removal, Export. State versus individuals, ect. pp. - and that for thousands and thousands of regulations of thousands of administrative territories and that all considering different legal systems, you have some which work with
[meteorite-list] AD Very rare porous Chondrite [H5/6] for sale!!!
Daid wrote: The material is very unusal and interesting. Facts: NWA 6412; S1; W1; TKW 1716g The fresh matrix is very porous and friable ... a lot of chondrules in 3D-view http://gavie.de/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=50Itemid=61 The 78-gram full slice will soon be in my meteorite collection :-) David is right! This is a very spectacular oddball of a chondrite with its chondrules literally popping out - the only meteorites I know of that show a similar feature are Bjurböle (L/LL4) and NWA 2380 (LL5) but David's NWA 6412 (H5/6) carries this to extremes! Looking forward to welcoming this chondrite in my collection! Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce...
There is a bit of a thread about the pronunciation of Muonionalusta when I asked the list back in late August, 2009. Check the archives for that. There was some variation, but most were similar in some way to: Moo-on eon ah-loose-ta -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting (LAWS) by Country
Hi Ed, One might post in this guide situations like Mike Farmer and Robert Ward had so those who might consider hunting could avoid it rather than take chances. At least make an educated guess or risk. We have had others who have been detained before those guys. Robert Haag in Argentina who was sold a false bill of good and a hefty one at that. At least they let him hang around the jail without being in it. He answered the phone when his sister called about him :-) Bet that was a surprise for both. Again it would have to be constantly updated making it nearly impossible to be current. Ed, do you hail from West Virgina?? All my best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Roman Jirasek rom...@sympatico.ca; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting (LAWS) by Country Hi Al, You hit the nail square on the head. Maintaining a book like this could be like trying to herd cats. Given the instability in the Middle-East, with government changes, etc, the laws there can change by the hour. Unfortunately, if Michael Farmer and Robert Ward had such a publication with them, and quoted Oman's laws from it when they were taken into custody or during their trial - the outcome would not have been any different. Even so, it would be a great guide to help prevent meteorite hunters from breaking any laws. Ed - Original Message - From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Roman Jirasek rom...@sympatico.ca; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting (LAWS) by Country Hi Martin and Roman, One other problem I would see if someone went to the trouble of trying to put all this in a reference guide to let would be hunters know what laws exist, is the probability of the laws always changing. It would be valid perhaps the first year then after that possible new laws might be in acted that could alter where hunters could hunt in different countries. If someone were to go to the trouble of trying to compose such a guide, I'd enlist meteorite enthusiast from around the globe to check out laws in various places, give them a time frame, then put together all the known area laws into the guide. You would no doubt have to have some areas listed as unknown and to hunt only after you check out local laws, get permission and so forth. Probably the most valid item would be to see if the landowner has rights on their own property. Negative aspect of all this is countries might see the guide and make new laws where none existed before hand. Creating a guide would certainly would be a monumental task that is for sure. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting (LAWS) by Country Hi Roman, meteorites are so scarce, that it is very unlikely that in many states a special legislation does exist for them at all. Currently you have more than 200 nations on the globe. Most of them are subdivided into smaller administrative units with own legal regulations. So you would have to check, which laws do exist, you would have to interpret existing laws, which weren't made for meteorites, whether they can be overstretched to cover meteorites and you would have to prove, whether different laws override each other. Simple examples: Analog.. in my little home state, the free state of Bavaria, it is forbidden to remove any artifact from the soil. So normally you'd say, anyone praising an artifact for sale, telling he found it in Bavaria, would act illegally. - Well, but we have another law, that despite the act of removing the artifact from the soil is illegal, nevertheless the finder becomes legal owner of the artifact. Drive 50 miles into another federal state, there you have a different legislation, there the state is owner of such a find. HUhuhu, the dimensions, because some try to lump meteorites together with a artifacts under one law: Per year the chief of the archeological office estimates, that more than 1 million of artifacts are lost due to this regulation in Bavaraia. Meteorites found per year in Bavaria: 0.02. Therefore we don't have a law for meteorites, the constitution interdicts to create laws for single cases. Other example - Neuschwanstein III, there the court decided not only about the question about the ownership landowner versus finder - which concerns whole Austria, but also whether the finder was legally allowed to pick up that stone. That was another, an environmental law, only valuable for the federal state of Tyrol. And there he was allowed to do so, cause the stone had a certain size only and he
Re: [meteorite-list] important business
Sounds like the provenance of this stone could perhaps be one of Willy Wonkas golden gooses. (??) Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:02:58 To: Meteorite Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] important business Lurking list member, I had a dream two nights ago and someone whom I had heard of But hadn't met offered to trade to me all he found of a recent fall. He had gathered the entire lot which consisted of only 4 pieces, But each sized around 1/4 LB of butter or so. The remarkable thing about this meteorite was it was its strikingly gold colored fusion crust and deep rich salmon pink interior, making it The most visually remarkable meteorite I had ever seen. If you are the finder in my dream, please contact me immediately as I would like to conclude the transaction. Best wishes, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] important business
... and yes, meteor-wrongs get dropped to the incinerator. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:02:58 To: Meteorite Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] important business Lurking list member, I had a dream two nights ago and someone whom I had heard of But hadn't met offered to trade to me all he found of a recent fall. He had gathered the entire lot which consisted of only 4 pieces, But each sized around 1/4 LB of butter or so. The remarkable thing about this meteorite was it was its strikingly gold colored fusion crust and deep rich salmon pink interior, making it The most visually remarkable meteorite I had ever seen. If you are the finder in my dream, please contact me immediately as I would like to conclude the transaction. Best wishes, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: 1.5 kilo lot of the famous MendotaWrong very beautiful
I have 1.5 kilos of the the most beautiful MendotaWrong. This is one of the, if not the best meteorwrongs on the planet. There are a variety of sizes and lithogies inthis lot. Some of the nicest stones ever available of this material. I am willing to let this 1.5 kilo lot go for a low price. I have seen thismaterial go for over three bucks a gram. I will let this lot for 40 cents per gram. For those of you who never seen this material before you can see some photos of this amazing meteorwrong and some of its different lithogies. You can see some pice of pieces i cut in the past here: http://illinoismeteorites.com/setofstones1.htm http://illinoismeteorites.com/setofstones2.htm http://illinoismeteorites.com/setofstones3.htm If interested contact me off list. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WISE Mission Spots 'Horseshoe' Asteroid (2010 SO16)
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-112 WISE Mission Spots 'Horseshoe' Asteroid Jet Propulsion Laboratory April 08, 2011 An asteroid recently discovered by NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) may be a bit of an oddball. Most near-Earth asteroids -- NEAs for short -- have eccentric, or egg-shaped, orbits that take the asteroids right through the inner solar system. The new object, designated 2010 SO16, is different. Its orbit is almost circular such that it cannot come close to any other planet in the solar system except Earth. However, even though the asteroid rides around with Earth, it never gets that close. It keeps well away from Earth, said Apostolos Tolis Christou, who, together with David Asher of the Armagh Observatory in Northern Ireland, analyzed the orbit of the body after it was discovered in infrared images taken by WISE. So well, in fact, that it has likely been in this orbit for several hundred thousand years, never coming closer to our planet than 50 times the distance to the moon. The asteroid is one of a few that trace out a horseshoe shape relative to Earth. As the asteroid approaches Earth, the planet's gravity causes the object to shift back into a larger orbit that takes longer to go around the sun than Earth. Alternately, as Earth catches up with the asteroid, the planet's gravity causes it to fall into a closer orbit that takes less time to go around the sun than Earth. The asteroid therefore never completely passes our planet. This slingshot-like effect results in a horseshoe-shaped path as seen from Earth, in which 2010 SO16 takes 175 years to get from one end of the horseshoe to the other. The origins of this object could prove to be very interesting, said Amy Mainzer of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., the principal investigator of NEOWISE, which is the asteroid- and comet-hunting portion of the WISE survey mission. We are really excited that the astronomy community is already finding treasures in the NEOWISE data that have been released so far. NEOWISE finished its one complete sweep of the solar system in early February of this year. Data on the orbits of asteroids and comets detected by the project, including near-Earth objects, are catalogued at the NASA-funded International Astronomical Union's Minor Planet Center, at the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory in Cambridge, Mass. A full story from the Armagh Observatory, including animations, is online at http://www.arm.ac.uk/press/2011/aac_horseshoe_orbit.html. JPL manages and operates the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. The principal investigator, Edward Wright, is at UCLA. The mission was competitively selected under NASA's Explorers Program managed by the Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. The science instrument was built by the Space Dynamics Laboratory, Logan, Utah, and the spacecraft was built by Ball Aerospace Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo. Science operations and data processing take place at the Infrared Processing and Analysis Center at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. Caltech manages JPL for NASA. More information is online at http://www.nasa.gov/wise, http://wise.astro.ucla.edu and http://jpl.nasa.gov/wise . Whitney Clavin 818-354-4673 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. whitney.cla...@jpl.nasa.gov 2011-112 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: April 4-8, 2011
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES April 4-8, 2011 o Tyrrhena Mons (04 April 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5612 o Arkhangelsky Crater Dunes (05 April 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5613 o South Polar Clouds (05 April 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5614 o Nili Patera Dunes (06 April 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5615 o South Polar Clouds (08 April 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5616 All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce...
I posted this once before but since you are working on these pronunciations now...A friend of ours came from Willamette, OR. She says Willamette is pronounced Wil lam it, with emphasis on the second syllable. Mike On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:54 AM, valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com wrote: I'm compiling a pronunciation guide that I'll post to the list. Any help is greatly appreciated and feel free to send more meteorite names. I found some help scanning the MetList archives for the last year: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html Paul Swartz Agoult (Morocco) Begaa (Morocco) Brahin (Belarus) Djoumine (Tunisia) D'Orbigny (Argentina) Gao Guenie (Burkina Faso) Gujba (Nigeria) Huckitta (Australia) I've heard hoo-KEET-ah and HUCK-i-tuh Huaytiquina (Argentina) Isheyevo (Russia) Jackalsfontein (South Africa) Jalu (Libya) Juvinas (France) Kainsaz (Russia) Kapoeta (Sudan) L'aigle (France)LAY-gluh from a 3/13/10 post Majuba 005 (Nevada) Mbale (Uganda) Muonionalusta (Sweden) Orgueil (France) OR-gooey from a 3/13/10 post Oum Dreyga (Western Sahara) Pillistfer (Estonia) Pultusk (Poland) Quijingue (Brazil) Rupota (Tanzania) Sayh al Uhaymir (Oman) Sikhote-alin (East Russia)http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin (holy cow!) Tatahouine (Tunisia) Tuxtuac (Mexico) Uruacu (Brazil) HK told me oor-ooh-ah-SOO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Asteroid to Pass Near Earth in November
Get your telescopes out to those places on Earth that might get a glimpse of it. It states that when this asteroid returns this November 2011, that it will pass between the Moon and Earth! Somewhere around 160,000 miles from Earththat's pretty close! Being about 1300 feet in diameter I would think one with a decent scope would be able to view it. I know I'll give it try. Here's an interesting food for thoughtI love it when these computer mathematicians from NASA say that based on their calculations of the orbit of Earth and the figured orbit of an asteroid, that there is no chance of a collision. Now lets say 2 months from now another small asteroid (one that we do not track because it's too small to be seen) hits the first asteroid that just passed earth. This space bump or collision may not of been a big deal, but over a large area and time, that bump has changed that asteroids orbit, thus if fate has it's way, it might just be enough to now collide with Earth on its next pass!. These calculations work perfect on paper but in the real world...or should I say in the real universe, no one can guarantee any of the thousands of asteroids floating around that their orbit will remain stable. If it did, we would see maybe several much larger then the Ceres asteroids, instead of the thousands of smaller one's being tracked. I do like the fact that many asteroids are tracked, but what good is it if an actual collision is calculated. We have nothing in place to prevent it or stop it. If we tried anything it would be trial and error and then too late! Sorry if I went slightly off subject but still about meteorites. Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: Paul H. oxytropidoce...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:56 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Huge Asteroid to Pass Near Earth in November Huge Asteroid to Pass Near Earth in November Leonard David, SPACE.com http://www.space.com/11310-huge-asteroid-2005-yu55-passing-earth-november.html Large asteroid 2005 YU55 paying close visit to Earth in November, Digital Journal http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/305500 The report is: Asteroid 2005 YU55 to Approach Earth on November 8, 2011 by Don Yeomans, Lance Benner and Jon Giorgini http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news171.html Other articles about near Earth asteroids. Asteroid Follows Earth's Orbit, Scientific American http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=asteroid-follows-earths-orbit-11-04-08 Asteroid stalks Earth for 25 years, Cosmos http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/4210/asteroid-follows-earth-25-years Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD ebay auction items
Hello List, If you want , have a look at what's ending soon. Thanks! http://stores.ebay.com/Resurrectio-Ad-Referendum?_rdc=1 Kind Regards, Warren Sansoucie St. Louis MO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) holbrook and oum dreyga
Good evening list.All freebies are gone.I have lowered the price of 2 of my meteorites I have forsale.12 gram fragment of HOLBROOK and a 23 gram OUM DREYGA. $150 for the holbrook and $75 for the oum dreyga.The od piece is a complete crusted beauty.Pic upon request.And since it's sunday,this is a new week so this is my only post on this. Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rebuttal to NY Times article
Anne, great job! Not only did you challenge the rogue and hyperbole writing of the NYT 'author' you approached it with grace and the respect to meteoritics exemplary of the IMCA. It would have been easy to write a scathing response with guns blazing black (pun intended) but that would merely have achieved the goal the NYT seems determined to illicit. It remains to be seen if they'll publish it. Needless to say, the hyperbole is already out there (I've been approached by some non-enlightened friends about my interest in meteorites, having read the article, and questioning my intentions...yet I do have my facts straight and point them to be on the aware for pending respectful responses from both the scientific and collector community...i.e. your response now available for me to reference.) It still remains to be seen why their tact of slandering meteorite collecting was pushed in the inciteful direction the author chose. Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; cometeoritec...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 2:32 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rebuttal to NY Times article Hello Everybody, I hope you are enjoying your weekend. I finally got a response from Dr Harvey, and I was able to finish my response to the NewYork Times article. It has just been posted on the IMCA website, here is the link: _http://imca.cc/insights/2011/IMCA-Insights04.htm_ (http://imca.cc/insights/2011/IMCA-Insights04.htm) It will show up on Meteorites-Times as soon as Paul finds a moment to post it. And the Editor of Astronomy Magazine has accepted to post it on their website, and later print it in the magazine, and I am very thankful for that. Feel free to link your websites/forums/blogs to it. Now that it is done I would hope that a lot of people will read it (all the people who read the NY Times!!) Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - April 1-6, 2011
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Remains Silent at Troy* /- sols 2574-2579, March 31 - April 5, 2011: No communication has been received from Spirit since Sol 2210 (March 22, 2010). Deep Space Network X-band listening and recovery commanding continue. The project has been systematically conducting commanding over a range of frequencies and over a range of local solar times on Mars. This covers possibility that the rover's receiver has degraded and/or the clock has drifted significantly since March of 2010. The project is continuing the commanding of extra-long ultra-high frequency (UHF) relay passes to account for possible rover clock drift or clock error and to make the rover responsive to UHF relay (if it is has experienced a mission-clock fault). The team is also commanding the backup solid-state power amplifier, in case the primary X-band transmitter has failed. Total odometry is unchanged at 7,730.50 meters (4.80 miles). OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Several Drives This Week Put Rover Over 17-Mile Mark!* - sols 2554-2559, April 01-06, 2011: Opportunity continues the trek towards Endeavour crater with great dispatch, driving on four of the last six sols. On Sols 2554 and 2556 (April 1 and 3, 2011), the rover drove over 100 meters (328 feet) due east on each sol. On Sol 2558 (April 5, 2011), the drive stopped short at only 64.6 meters (212 feet) of progress when the right bogie angle limit was exceeded. The limit was set very tight to ensure safe driving. A modest terrain feature caused the limit to trip. After careful review that there was no safety concerns, the rover resumed driving on Sol 2559 (April 6, 2011), with a 65.4 meter (215 foot) drive to the southeast. There continues to be a small increase in the motor currents for the right-front wheel. The project is tracking this. Another diagnostic of the miniature thermal emission spectrometer (Mini-TES) instrument was performed on Sol 2557 (April 4, 2011). Those diagnostics still indicate anomalous behavior. The instrument investigation is continuing. As of Sol 2559 (April 6, 2011), solar array energy production was 414 watt-hours with an elevated atmospheric opacity (Tau) of 0.910 and a solar array dust factor of 0.561. Total odometry is 27,504.97 meters (27.50 kilometers, or 17.09 miles). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] How do you pronounce...
Hello Listers How do you Allende and yes I still mess up Sikhote- Alin but after hearing how that link pronounced Sikhote-Alin I have to say I was off and so were others.. One other meteorite is Millbillillie it like Millbilllebbbllblhal for lol. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce... Michael Murray mikebevmurray at gmail.com Sun Apr 10 18:11:27 EDT 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce... Next message: [meteorite-list] Huge Asteroid to Pass Near Earth in November Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I posted this once before but since you are working on these pronunciations now...A friend of ours came from Willamette, OR. She says Willamette is pronounced Wil lam it, with emphasis on the second syllable. Mike On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:54 AM, valparint at aol.com valparint at aol.com wrote: I'm compiling a pronunciation guide that I'll post to the list. Any help is greatly appreciated and feel free to send more meteorite names. I found some help scanning the MetList archives for the last year: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html Paul Swartz Agoult (Morocco) Begaa (Morocco) Brahin (Belarus) Djoumine (Tunisia) D'Orbigny (Argentina) Gao Guenie (Burkina Faso) Gujba (Nigeria) Huckitta (Australia) I've heard hoo-KEET-ah and HUCK-i-tuh Huaytiquina (Argentina) Isheyevo (Russia) Jackalsfontein (South Africa) Jalu (Libya) Juvinas (France) Kainsaz (Russia) Kapoeta (Sudan) L'aigle (France) LAY-gluh from a 3/13/10 post Majuba 005 (Nevada) Mbale (Uganda) Muonionalusta (Sweden) Orgueil (France) OR-gooey from a 3/13/10 post Oum Dreyga (Western Sahara) Pillistfer (Estonia) Pultusk (Poland) Quijingue (Brazil) Rupota (Tanzania) Sayh al Uhaymir (Oman) Sikhote-alin (East Russia) http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin (holy cow!) Tatahouine (Tunisia) Tuxtuac (Mexico) Uruacu (Brazil) HK told me oor-ooh-ah-SOO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Previous message: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce... Next message: [meteorite-list] Huge Asteroid to Pass Near Earth in November Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Usselo Horizon, a Worldwide Charcoal-Rich Layer of Alleröd Age, Johán B. Han Kloosterman 1999 June, extensive references: Rich Murray 2011.04.09
Hi Mark, I enjoyed reading your whole blog for the last 3 months, just now, as well as your articles in The New Mexican and Skeptical Inquirer [ http://www.csicop.org/si/show/when_scientists_actually_change_their_minds ], and all the associated comments. I detest propaganda, manipulative advertising, PR spin, prejudice, and dogma -- so I make an effort to always communicate clearly, positively, and helpfully. I agree totally with your portrayal of unfair, disfunctional, biased communication by George Howard in his Cosmic Tusk blog, and have asked other people on that blog's Comments to simply quit engaging in flame wars this year. On the positive side, his blog presents full texts of most of the important critical research papers -- which raise, startling for me, a large number of evidence-based refutations of most of the dozen or so claims raised two years ago. This is a very unexpected outcome for my viewpoint as a technically unqualified geology layman -- I recall the old story about a certain businessperson, whose client expired during a routine transaction, who afterwards confessed, I thought he was coming, but he was going... As usual, both sides in every heated discussion are in danger of getting lost in confusing polemics, instead of collaborating respectfully with public evidence and reason in the best tradition of scientific discourse. I've been reading the major papers since Nov 2008, while driving in all directions about 160 km from Santa Fe on one-day field expeditions, while flying over many world regions with Google Earth and Maps, and NASA Worldwind, accompanied by a new friend, Michael H. Barron. I think I've confirmed the Dennis Cox paradigm, but have yet to find experts to show sites to or to donate samples to. Probably the easiest of the finds to disconfirm or confirm would be many sites on the NE, E, and SE edges, and a few in the center, of the Caja Del Rio Lava Field, for which one official source on the Net (USGS?) gave two surface Argon dates of 30 +-8 Ka. Horizontal and vertical lava rocks are cracked, tumbled, shattered, and scattered, and, critically, often have a surface glaze that is hard, shiny, smoother, darker, 1-20 or so mm thick. One nice location is I-25 just N of the La Bahada escarpment, NW of the tall microwave tower, on the 10 m slope that rises steeply W from the pavement. Another is the enjoyable hike up the old Camino Real about 2 miles W of I-25, which was the road to Santa Fe until about 1930. And there's plenty just a mile W of Santa Fe Airport, just SE of an operating red pumice mine. Well, take a fresh look at the decorative 1-2 m brown rocks that are so common in parking, lots, medians, and front yards -- just what are the surface coatings that are variously shiny black, red-brown, and white -- has anyone done a microanalysis of these coatings -- which resemble the multilayer thinner coatings known as desert varnish. Dennis Cox has commented on Cosmic Tusk that since last summer two labs are studying similar samples of putative geoablation from small mountains by his house in Fresno, CA. I welcome critical expert detailed feedback! In mutual service, Rich http://puckerclust.wordpress.com/2011/04/03/gullible-denialism/ http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Opinion/Looking-in--Mark-Boslough-Climate-change-deniers-ignore-science http://www.santafenewmexican.com/opinion/My-View-Hackers-confirm-contrived-climate-change-theory Before he retired in 1989, William E. Keller, Ph.D., spent more than 40 years in experimental physics research and administration at Los Alamos National Laboratory. He lives in Santa Fe. On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Boslough, Mark B mbbo...@sandia.gov wrote: Hi Rich, I have to say that Mr. Kloosterman's portrayal of himself as a victim of mainstream science is starting to get a little old. The idea of a uniformitarian conspiracy is *so* 19th century. Modern science embraces neither catastrophism nor uniformitarianism. Catastrophic events in earth sciences tend to follow power law distributions, and impacts are no exception. We all agree that catastrophes happen, but the burden of proof grows exponentially with the size of the claimed catastrophe and inversely with the claimed time scale. With regard to your link to Cosmic Tusk, I have no respect whatsoever for Mr. Howard's non-stop ad hominem attacks on scientists just because their research does not support his beliefs. A blog with posts like The Delusory Dr. Pinter...Another Confusing Half Told Botch Job on the YDB Hypothesis reminds me of the despicable ad hominem style now common in politically-motivated global warming denial blogs. Referring to Nicholas Pinter, Philippe Claeys, and Gavin Schmitt as Nick Phil and Gav demonstrates a juvenile lack of respect. This is the sort of conduct that deserves universal opprobrium (see http://puckerclust.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/defamation-is-not-ok/ for my critique of a local
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Hi, all, The American female pronounces BRACHINITE with the CH like a K. The UK female is ch as in church. I haven't seen the phonetics anywhere on the net, or books I have. I would appreciate the proper pronunciation. Cheers, Pete From: mikebevmur...@gmail.com To: valpar...@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:11:27 -0600 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce... I posted this once before but since you are working on these pronunciations now...A friend of ours came from Willamette, OR. She says Willamette is pronounced Wil lam it, with emphasis on the second syllable. Mike On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:54 AM, wrote: I'm compiling a pronunciation guide that I'll post to the list. Any help is greatly appreciated and feel free to send more meteorite names. I found some help scanning the MetList archives for the last year: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html Paul Swartz Agoult (Morocco) Begaa (Morocco) Brahin (Belarus) Djoumine (Tunisia) D'Orbigny (Argentina) Gao Guenie (Burkina Faso) Gujba (Nigeria) Huckitta (Australia) I've heard hoo-KEET-ah and HUCK-i-tuh Huaytiquina (Argentina) Isheyevo (Russia) Jackalsfontein (South Africa) Jalu (Libya) Juvinas (France) Kainsaz (Russia) Kapoeta (Sudan) L'aigle (France) LAY-gluh from a 3/13/10 post Majuba 005 (Nevada) Mbale (Uganda) Muonionalusta (Sweden) Orgueil (France) OR-gooey from a 3/13/10 post Oum Dreyga (Western Sahara) Pillistfer (Estonia) Pultusk (Poland) Quijingue (Brazil) Rupota (Tanzania) Sayh al Uhaymir (Oman) Sikhote-alin (East Russia) http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin (holy cow!) Tatahouine (Tunisia) Tuxtuac (Mexico) Uruacu (Brazil) HK told me oor-ooh-ah-SOO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I'll pronounce it any way she wants me to. :) -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sun, 4/10/11, Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce... To: mikebevmur...@gmail.com, valpar...@aol.com Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 9:44 PM Hi, all, The American female pronounces BRACHINITE with the CH like a K. The UK female is ch as in church. I haven't seen the phonetics anywhere on the net, or books I have. I would appreciate the proper pronunciation. Cheers, Pete From: mikebevmur...@gmail.com To: valpar...@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:11:27 -0600 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce... I posted this once before but since you are working on these pronunciations now...A friend of ours came from Willamette, OR. She says Willamette is pronounced Wil lam it, with emphasis on the second syllable. Mike On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:54 AM, wrote: I'm compiling a pronunciation guide that I'll post to the list. Any help is greatly appreciated and feel free to send more meteorite names. I found some help scanning the MetList archives for the last year: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html Paul Swartz Agoult (Morocco) Begaa (Morocco) Brahin (Belarus) Djoumine (Tunisia) D'Orbigny (Argentina) Gao Guenie (Burkina Faso) Gujba (Nigeria) Huckitta (Australia) I've heard hoo-KEET-ah and HUCK-i-tuh Huaytiquina (Argentina) Isheyevo (Russia) Jackalsfontein (South Africa) Jalu (Libya) Juvinas (France) Kainsaz (Russia) Kapoeta (Sudan) L'aigle (France) LAY-gluh from a 3/13/10 post Majuba 005 (Nevada) Mbale (Uganda) Muonionalusta (Sweden) Orgueil (France) OR-gooey from a 3/13/10 post Oum Dreyga (Western Sahara) Pillistfer (Estonia) Pultusk (Poland) Quijingue (Brazil) Rupota (Tanzania) Sayh al Uhaymir (Oman) Sikhote-alin (East Russia) http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin (holy cow!) Tatahouine (Tunisia) Tuxtuac (Mexico) Uruacu (Brazil) HK told me oor-ooh-ah-SOO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
