Re: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer
Hi Grag, I enjoyed the book very much. It's on my bookshelf now. It is easy to read and not too technical. You get some insights into the thinking of the scientists involved in analyzing ALH 84001, from Robbie Score (she found it) to David McKay (of McKay et al.), including some scientists who are list members. It's also very inexpensive. Used copies in great condition can be found on Amazon for oly a few dollars. Oh, and anyone who thinks scientists are always cold, emotionless and completely objective with motivations purely scientific, read this book (among others). -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer List: Has anyone read the book, The Rock from Mars? what are your thoughts? Is it worth buying? Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:47 PM, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: I can't believe I read the whole thing. Bill Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:36:30 -0400 From: danfur...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS careless IMCA member O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew for certain it was practically impossible to have a half stone of NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA member. It turns out that he apparently misread the label and it was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite related material for many years and I have never made such critical errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it out and i think everybody who deals with meteorites should do the same thing. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer
H IGrag, Oops, sorry. Meant Greg. -Walter - Original Message - From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer Hi Grag, I enjoyed the book very much. It's on my bookshelf now. It is easy to read and not too technical. You get some insights into the thinking of the scientists involved in analyzing ALH 84001, from Robbie Score (she found it) to David McKay (of McKay et al.), including some scientists who are list members. It's also very inexpensive. Used copies in great condition can be found on Amazon for oly a few dollars. Oh, and anyone who thinks scientists are always cold, emotionless and completely objective with motivations purely scientific, read this book (among others). -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer List: Has anyone read the book, The Rock from Mars? what are your thoughts? Is it worth buying? Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:47 PM, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: I can't believe I read the whole thing. Bill Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:36:30 -0400 From: danfur...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS careless IMCA member O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew for certain it was practically impossible to have a half stone of NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA member. It turns out that he apparently misread the label and it was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite related material for many years and I have never made such critical errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it out
Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member
I'm sorry you seem to have issues with the IMCA Dan but if you have problems you could easily approach the association to report any concerns. I'm wondering if this has something to do with you being removed from the IMCA in the past and denied re-entry again last week? It would seem to me that the timing is ironic. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 12:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew for certain it was practically impossible to have a half stone of NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA member. It turns out that he apparently misread the label and it was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite related material for many years and I have never made such critical errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it out and i think everybody who deals with meteorites should do the same thing. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member
I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not Hi Dan, What was the response of the IMCA when you filed a complaint with them? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew for certain it was practically impossible to have a half stone of NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA member. It turns out that he apparently misread the label and it was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite related material for many years and I have never made such critical errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it out and i think everybody who deals with meteorites should do the same thing. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member
No jeff, the only coincidence is that you would respond to me now after ignoring me for several weeks and multiple attempts in contacting you who is the vice president of IMCA and you who are the one who told me to re-apply when i approached IMCA to ask for my membership back.. and since you want to bring up my personal business in the forum why not explain why my IMCA membership was revoked to begin with.. i refused to refund somebody a lost package and that was my policy i stated in my listing 5 years ago that if iyou do not pay for insurance i cannot be responsible for lost packages as it was costing me too much money to refund every single person who claimed they lost a package. This year in 2011 i emailed IMCA to ask if i can have my memership back and you yourself said i can re-apply and was very helpful at first and told me i need to get 2 recoommendations. I got 3 recommendations from Gary Fujihara, Jack Lacroix, and Brandon Dunovant.. then when i asked to confirm if these recommendations came in i got a response and then later i was completely ignored for several weeks. Only after a few people contacted anne black in regards to this matter did i get response o.k. so the intergrity of IMCA is already in question in my mind. This issue i had with Bryan Scarborough is 100% real and has nothing to do with me not getting my membership and for you the vice president of IMCA to sit here and accuse me of lying is ridiculous. I have all the emails from Bryan Scarborough to prove this i have all the reciepts of the money i sent him.. i have everything i need to make accusations... so because you to ignored me for 3 weeks is the main reason why i did not bother contacting you again about an IMCA member... i could care less about the problems you have with your IMCA members selling fake items i just want my money back. Anne Black the president of IMCA and your boss also emailed all the IMCA members that she is aware of FAKE meteorites being sold by various IMCA members one of which is Bryan Scarborough who i had the misfortune of dealing with. You bringing up my IMCA application in a public forum is inappropriate and i have zero respect for you and for IMCA because you are the vice president of IMCA and you felt the need to accuse me of lying and bring up my personal business in public. You are trying to make me look bad when i have no problem admitting i was removed from IMCA in 2005 for not refunding a lost package i never once sold anything fake and i never once misrepresented anything. I am currently operating under new business policies that i am self insuring myself and i am paying for large orders to be insured out of my own pocket. I would not have re-applied to IMCA if you hadn't suggested i do so.. and to be frank you with Jeff Kyuken i regret taking your advice because the level of service and treatment i recieved from you and other board members was less than standard and i have recieved better service from McDonalds. You are aware of IMCA members who sell fake items several complaints have been made about the legitimitacy of certain items being sold and yet nothing has been done... I on the other hand refused to refund a lost package and i lose my membership... how am i supposed to view IMCA? put yourself in my shoes and especially now with the recent dealings with Bryan Scarborough who is being investigated by private members of the community who have quit IMCA and want to clean up the mess of fake items being sold on the market. So i take great offence in being accused of making this up and if i wanted to bring up the issue i have with IMCA in regards to being treated like a second class citizen i would of done it regardless if i got ripped off by an IMCA member or not.. but i have integrity a word that i would not use to describe IMCA and some of its members. I would like to apologize to legitimate IMCA members out there as i know IMCA stands for something great but since the Vice President of your organization wants to accuse me of being a liar because they refused me membership i decided to tell my side of the story. Furthermore, in regards to me not getting my application approved this time around Anne Black your president told me that somebody complained about the way i asked them for a recommendation and therefore you and the rest of the baord members discounted my 3 solid recommendations from 3 respectable members of the community who i have done business with all of which were surprised that i was declined... thanks for letting me have a chance to tell my side of the story Jeff Kyuken i appreciate it. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member
Hi Dan, I'm not about to be dragged into a debate with you and do not have time to read another long-winded IMCA bashing email. As I told you, I was away for the month of May on a meteorite hunt at Whitecourt and travelling in the US with no access to usual email. Your application was handled in usual time-frames and other Board members tried to help in my absence. I even took the time to discuss your case with Anne in-person while I was in Denver! What else do you want? I have always given you nothing but total courtesy and plenty of my time in helping explain how to re-apply. Unfortunately you seem to see it differently and that is all I have to say on the issue. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member No jeff, the only coincidence is that you would respond to me now after ignoring me for several weeks and multiple attempts in contacting you who is the vice president of IMCA and you who are the one who told me to re-apply when i approached IMCA to ask for my membership back.. and since you want to bring up my personal business in the forum why not explain why my IMCA membership was revoked to begin with.. i refused to refund somebody a lost package and that was my policy i stated in my listing 5 years ago that if iyou do not pay for insurance i cannot be responsible for lost packages as it was costing me too much money to refund every single person who claimed they lost a package. This year in 2011 i emailed IMCA to ask if i can have my memership back and you yourself said i can re-apply and was very helpful at first and told me i need to get 2 recoommendations. I got 3 recommendations from Gary Fujihara, Jack Lacroix, and Brandon Dunovant.. then when i asked to confirm if these recommendations came in i got a response and then later i was completely ignored for several weeks. Only after a few people contacted anne black in regards to this matter did i get response o.k. so the intergrity of IMCA is already in question in my mind. This issue i had with Bryan Scarborough is 100% real and has nothing to do with me not getting my membership and for you the vice president of IMCA to sit here and accuse me of lying is ridiculous. I have all the emails from Bryan Scarborough to prove this i have all the reciepts of the money i sent him.. i have everything i need to make accusations... so because you to ignored me for 3 weeks is the main reason why i did not bother contacting you again about an IMCA member... i could care less about the problems you have with your IMCA members selling fake items i just want my money back. Anne Black the president of IMCA and your boss also emailed all the IMCA members that she is aware of FAKE meteorites being sold by various IMCA members one of which is Bryan Scarborough who i had the misfortune of dealing with. You bringing up my IMCA application in a public forum is inappropriate and i have zero respect for you and for IMCA because you are the vice president of IMCA and you felt the need to accuse me of lying and bring up my personal business in public. You are trying to make me look bad when i have no problem admitting i was removed from IMCA in 2005 for not refunding a lost package i never once sold anything fake and i never once misrepresented anything. I am currently operating under new business policies that i am self insuring myself and i am paying for large orders to be insured out of my own pocket. I would not have re-applied to IMCA if you hadn't suggested i do so.. and to be frank you with Jeff Kyuken i regret taking your advice because the level of service and treatment i recieved from you and other board members was less than standard and i have recieved better service from McDonalds. You are aware of IMCA members who sell fake items several complaints have been made about the legitimitacy of certain items being sold and yet nothing has been done... I on the other hand refused to refund a lost package and i lose my membership... how am i supposed to view IMCA? put yourself in my shoes and especially now with the recent dealings with Bryan Scarborough who is being investigated by private members of the community who have quit IMCA and want to clean up the mess of fake items being sold on the market. So i take great offence in being accused of making this up and if i wanted to bring up the issue i have with IMCA in regards to being treated like a second class citizen i would of done it regardless if i got ripped off by an IMCA member or not.. but i have integrity a word that i would not use to describe IMCA and some of its members. I would like to apologize to legitimate IMCA members out there as i know IMCA stands for something great but since the Vice President of your organization wants to accuse me of being a liar because
Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member
Who is dragging you into anything you are the one who started this.. im the one who got ripped off not you.. you are the one who chose to call it ironic that this happend at the same time i re-applied.. i had no problems keeping my personal business personal but you seemed to have the need to bring it up in public for no reason and you could of asked me for some facts which i have provided you with off the list... before trying to discredit me and my good name you could of simply emailed me off the list but you chose to respond in an unprofessional manner .. not very professional behavior from the Vice President of IMCA.. it is very serious when there are people abusing their IMCA memberships you and i both know i never abused anything and i decided to stand behind my policy five years ago knowing full well that my membership was going to be taken away, i chose to stand behind my policy and that was my choice five years ago., me not getting my membership and being treated poorly as well as unfairly is one thing.. but having people selling fakes is very serious and this is not something new Jeff, IMCA has been aware for some time.. but now when lab reports proof all the claims that have been made something is being done... anyways i would like to inform everybody that Bryan Scarborough has offered me a full refund and has provided me with good customer service, this still does not justify his careless behavior and i personally will never buy anything for him again or sell him anything either. And i will let the people in the community decide whether or not your post in response to my original post is appropriate as i have done nothing wrong except bring up an issue of getting ripped off I will continue to defend myself especially when falsely accused by the vice president of IMCA of possibly making this up and i will copy and paste your exact words so there is no confusion and i quote you directly insinuating that i may be making this stuff up because i am holding a grudge against IMCA quote: I'm wondering if this has something to do with you being removed from the IMCA in the past and denied re-entry again last week? It would seem to me that the timing is ironic. those are your words not mine Jeff and you phrased what you are trying to say very eloquently and i have provided you with the information you needed to prove i am telling the truth and i think you owe me an apology for bringing up my IMCA application in public and i want to drop this issue i just dont want people to think i am the bad guy in this whole ordeal, the only reason i am knocking IMCA is because you insinuate i am a liar and you bring up my business from five years ago in public to discredit me and my good name and you mention my re-application which is a completely separate issue and off topic.. and the reason you mention these things is to say I am complaining about getting ripped off because i didn't get a membership.. that doesn't make sense Jeff and maybe i am not understanding your original post. But if you ask me you acted in haste and responded to a serious post inappropriately and i am not afraid to point out the facts and clear up any misunderstandings. As we have cleared up most of this issue privately already i still feel you need to make a public apology for insinuating things about me and suggesting i may have ulterior motives in making a legitimate claim. I am leaving the choice to you as i am done talking about this but i will continue to defend myself if necessary. Daniel Furlan collector and Dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Fake Nantan :o( // Auction Deals
This is the futuremakes total sense. == BTW, immediately following this past Sunday's auction I visited a friend who was ill and just returned to NYC---and didn't have a chance to write to the following: a superb 8.24g specimen of Mayo Belwa (aubrite/fall) from The Natural History Museum (London) did not sell. It did not even achieve a bid of $110/gram---including buyer's commission---and I can promise it will sell for far more in the future. As I've long said, there is always a deal lurking at the traditional Natural History auctions. All the best / Darryl On Jun 15, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Blaine Reed wrote: Hi folks, I may have an answer to help sort out fakes without the cutting and etching. I have enough experience with my XRF to easily sort out fake stuff from real meteorite (unfortunately, I have not yet had the time to piece together enough data to tell what exact kind of meteorite the item in question may be - that has turned out to be a far bigger job than I first anticipated). For those of you that want this done, I would be happy to run samples for $10 plus return postage. At this point I would simply be able to tell you if the sample is good or not (I probably would throw in a list of the major elements anyway), hence the cheap price. At this point, I am only attempting to cover my costs (X-ray tube wear, expense of trip to PO) not make a profit (I will be probably charging closer to $45 when i finally get my act together, but that would include a full report that has a picture of the sample, color graphs of the X-ray spectra returns, list of elements, etc). Not really trying to advertise, but thought that this may be a functional alternative to cutting and etching. Blaine Reed P.O. Box 1141 Delta, CO 81416 (970) 874-1487 --- On Wed, 6/15/11, shandri...@aol.com shandri...@aol.com wrote: From: shandri...@aol.com shandri...@aol.com Subject: [IMCA] Fake Nantan :o( To: i...@imcamail.de Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 8:39 AM Hi Anne, I just got word tonight that a Nantan that I sold around a year ago, turned out to be a fake :o( The buyer was told by many that it didn't look real. So he sliced it. It had hole's and carbon looking matrix inside. It had a strong attraction to a magnet but the matrix didn't look like iron, it was heavy as such. If any remember seeing it, it looked like a potato. I bought it for my collection. I replaced it with a 7.5 kg piece, then I sold the smaller one in good faith. I'm refunding the buyer's money. Now I'm looking at the other's I have... This could be costly to me if they are also fake. I'm halting sales till I slice and etch them... I'd rather lose the money then know that I sold someone a fake. Knowing it's out there in a collection, from me would hurt and set heavy on me, a lot more than losing the money :o( I wish you all the best at the Ensisheim show. One of these day's I'll get over there... Best wishes, jim Jim Shorten IMCA 6204 Tombstone, AZ _ 06-14-2011 (email 2) not only one~~ I saw many similar pieces. they are so cheap~~ I did not buy from them, but instead buying from you, because I do not trust those seller in China. Now, I know all those are fake~~ I saw Gibeon look like potato shape, but just feel differently. Same 2 kg, they feel much heavier~~ The skin structure is totally different too. Regards Albert -- 06-15-2011 (email 3) sure, I will sent it back to you, no problem. if you have the same shape, chances are you will get the fake one. Now, I realized, iron meteorite will not have this kind of crust~~ check Gibeon, Canyon Diablo, or Sikhote. You just will not be able to find this shape with no flawline at all~~ Let me know your address. It will take $9.00 or so for shipping. Thank you very much for taken care of this. Regards Albert -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ IMCA mailing list i...@imcamail.de http://lists.imcamail.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/imca ___ IMCA mailing list i...@imcamail.de http://lists.imcamail.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/imca __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite display at the worlds oldest still working Planetarium
Dear List, Thanks a lot for all the kind replies, on and off-List. I was merely helping my friend (and List member) Gert Jan Netjes though, who had the initial contact with the planetarium and delivered most of the pieces. Honour should go to Gert Jan. All the best, Rob -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Namens Rob Lenssen Verzonden: dinsdag 14 juni 2011 11:55 Aan: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Onderwerp: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite display at the worlds oldest still working Planetarium Short URL to correct broken link below: http://alturl.com/ahmhc Sorry for that... Rob Lenssen IMCA #1681 www.AsteroidChippings.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Namens Rob Lenssen Verzonden: dinsdag 14 juni 2011 11:44 Aan: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Onderwerp: [meteorite-list] meteorite display at the worlds oldest still working Planetarium Hello List, A Dutch collector-friend asked me if I would be interested in lending out some meteorites, for them to be displayed in the Eise Eisinga Planetarium in Franeker (Netherlands). The planetarium is reported to be the oldest still working Planetarium in the world (build from 1774 to 1781). It sounded like fun, and a nice opportunity to introduce people to the world of meteorites, so I agreed to participate. A photographic impression can be found at my website: http://www.asteroidchippings.com/Special_topics/Eise_Eisinga_Planetarium_Fra neker.html I think even if without the meteorite display, the Planetarium is definitely worth a visit when in the area. Enjoy, Rob Lenssen IMCA #1681 www. AsteroidChippings.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] a free poster as thank-you for you
Dear friends, I've luckily bettered my third mengitis/encephalitis in my 70 years life. In the last two weeks I have read nearly thousand of your emails send to Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com. It helped me to find back to normal life. Now, I will say thank-you to you with a nice poster from my collection the inner structure of meteorites in the poster-size of 12,000 x 9,000 pixels. This posters show a magnification of nearly 400 x. The first 25 members, who send an email to uwefi...@hotmail.com with a short text and the pic no. will get this poster free as attachment to an email. Look at: http://cid-c5eb7008572ec0f7.photos.live.com/browse.aspx/Free%5E_to%5E_meteorite%5E_friends and decide what pic you want. best regards m42protosun Uwe Figge Germany Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Free poster email correction, sorry
Dear friends, the correct email address is uwefi...@hotmail.de sorry! my mistake. Uwe M42protosun Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MESSENGER Adjusts Its Orbit around Mercury
http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/details.php?id=173 MESSENGER Mission News June 15, 2011 MESSENGER Adjusts Its Orbit around Mercury The MESSENGER spacecraft successfully completed its first orbit-correction maneuver today to reset its periapsis altitude - the lowest point of MESSENGER's orbit about Mercury relative to the planet's surface - from 506 kilometers to approximately 200 kilometers. MESSENGER was 198 million kilometers (123 million miles) from Earth when the maneuver began at 3:40 p.m. EDT. Mission controllers at The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) in Laurel, Md., verified the start of the maneuver about 10 minutes, 58 seconds later, when the first signals indicating spacecraft thruster activity reached NASA's Deep Space Network tracking station outside Goldstone, California. This is the first of five maneuvers planned for the primary orbital phase of the mission to keep orbital parameters within desired ranges for optimal science observations. The spacecraft's main rocket engine fired for only 15 seconds of the total maneuver duration of 2 minutes and 52 seconds. MESSENGER's orbital velocity was changed by a total of 28 m/s to make the corrections essential for continuing the planned measurement campaigns. The orbit that the spacecraft follows around the planet slowly changes as time goes by, explained APL's James Hudson, lead guidance and control engineer for the MESSENGER mission operations team. Because of Mercury's proximity to the Sun and MESSENGER's highly eccentric orbit, solar gravity has a strong effect on the spacecraft's orbit, particularly periapsis altitude. MESSENGER Mission Systems Engineer Eric Finnegan, of APL, said that the team was well prepared for the maneuver and everything proceeded as expected. Initial data from the burn indicate nominal maneuver execution. MESSENGER's orbital trajectory around Mercury has now been reset to continue our in-depth exploration of the innermost planet. MESSENGER Completes First Mercury Year in Orbit On June 13, MESSENGER completed its first Mercury year (88 Earth days - the time it takes Mercury to make one revolution around the Sun) in orbit about the innermost planet. The spacecraft has three more Mercury years to go during the primary science phase of the mission. The spacecraft celebrated this milestone at the tail end of a four-day superior solar conjunction - the tenth since launch - during which the spacecraft was on the opposite side of the Sun from Earth. Throughout that time, reliable communication between the spacecraft and mission operators at APL was not possible because of interference from the Sun's hot plasma, but telemetry received once MESSENGER came out of conjunction on June 14 confirmed that the spacecraft and all of its systems continue to operate nominally. MESSENGER's instruments are providing a wealth of new information about the planet closest to the Sun. Tens of thousands of images of major features on the planet - previously seen only at comparatively low resolution - are now available in sharp focus. Measurements of the chemical composition of Mercury's surface are providing important clues to the origin of the planet and its geological history. Maps of the planet's topography and magnetic field are revealing new clues to Mercury's interior dynamical processes. And regular detections of energetic particles are providing insight into the workings of Mercury's magnetosphere. MESSENGER team members will be discussing these new findings in a news conference http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/details.php?id=171 at NASA Headquarters on June 16, 2011, at 1 p.m. EDT, MESSENGER (MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry, and Ranging) is a NASA-sponsored scientific investigation of the planet Mercury and the first space mission designed to orbit the planet closest to the Sun. The MESSENGER spacecraft launched on August 3, 2004, and entered orbit about Mercury on March 18, 2011, to begin a one-year study of its target planet. Dr. Sean C. Solomon, of the Carnegie Institution of Washington, leads the mission as Principal Investigator. The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory built and operates the MESSENGER spacecraft and manages this Discovery-class mission for NASA. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Mayo Belwa on Ebay
Hey List, I just put up 30 Mayo Belwa's on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260802281327#ht_4940wt_907. These are a bit smaller than what was at Heritage, but they are priced to move. These come from the Jim Schwade collection. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Canada Post
Hi listers: Canada Post is on strike. Suggest dealers not mail to Canada until further notice. Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Texas Meteor may have produced meteorites and other events
Dear List, It appears that the Texas 14JUN2011 event MAY have produced meteorites on the ground. Anyone interested please start the hunt for video. Best Always, Dirk Ross...Tokyo Texas 14JUN2011 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/06/breaking-news-mbiq-detects-texas-meteor.html Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Florida Meteor 15JUN2011 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/06/columbia-south-carolina-meteor.html Live Lunar Eclipse http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/06/astronomers-without-borders-awb-live.html NY Meteor 15JUN2011 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/06/ny-meteor-15jun2011.html Sci-Fi Matinee - The Day the Sky Exploded http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/06/sci-fi-movie-matinee-day-sky-exploded.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Metal? in a Hematite Nodule
Hi John and Jim, Thanks for the clarifications. Every piece of hematite that I've had has been attracted to a magnet, but as you said, it probably had other iron with it. And what I meant by hematite is a metal was that it is a metal as far as most people are concerned. It is 70% iron and looks and feels like metal, so most people will call it a metal even thought that is not the chemical term (metal oxide). Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: John Hendry [mailto:p...@pict.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:09 PM To: Bob Loeffler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Metal? in a Hematite Nodule Hematite/Haematite is not a metal. It's a metal oxide as you go on to say. Any free iron included within a hematite mass would be native iron and not hematite. Regards, John On 14/06/2011 13:48, Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com wrote: Hi Greg, Hematite IS a metal, so that's what I would expect to see in a hematite nodule. Some will be completely oxidized (rusted) so that there is no more visible metal left in them, but others will still have some metal in them. Hematite is Iron and Oxygen (Fe2O3), so that's why it's attracted to a magnet. Bob L -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Thunder Stone Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:25 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Metal? in a Hematite Nodule List: Has anyone cut a hematite nodule and found what looks like metal. Looks the same as the metal in meteorites. Could it be Specular Hematite? It is very magnetic (magnet attraction) Much Thanks, Greg S __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3703 - Release Date: 06/14/11 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3703 - Release Date: 06/14/11 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Metal? in a Hematite Nodule
Hi Bob! Hematite usually has a non-metallic reddish appearance. Doesn't look like metal at all to me! Sunburn, and weathering can change it's look over time. Maybe there are geographic differences??? However, Hematite also occurs that appears metallic/silver often called Specularite. Both streak red. Kind regards! Jim On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com wrote: Hi John and Jim, Thanks for the clarifications. Every piece of hematite that I've had has been attracted to a magnet, but as you said, it probably had other iron with it. And what I meant by hematite is a metal was that it is a metal as far as most people are concerned. It is 70% iron and looks and feels like metal, so most people will call it a metal even thought that is not the chemical term (metal oxide). Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: John Hendry [mailto:p...@pict.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:09 PM To: Bob Loeffler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Metal? in a Hematite Nodule Hematite/Haematite is not a metal. It's a metal oxide as you go on to say. Any free iron included within a hematite mass would be native iron and not hematite. Regards, John On 14/06/2011 13:48, Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com wrote: Hi Greg, Hematite IS a metal, so that's what I would expect to see in a hematite nodule. Some will be completely oxidized (rusted) so that there is no more visible metal left in them, but others will still have some metal in them. Hematite is Iron and Oxygen (Fe2O3), so that's why it's attracted to a magnet. Bob L -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Thunder Stone Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:25 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Metal? in a Hematite Nodule List: Has anyone cut a hematite nodule and found what looks like metal. Looks the same as the metal in meteorites. Could it be Specular Hematite? It is very magnetic (magnet attraction) Much Thanks, Greg S __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3703 - Release Date: 06/14/11 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3703 - Release Date: 06/14/11 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
