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Re: [meteorite-list] term definitions and usage
A number of Chinese numeral systems are explained in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_numerals from the Shang Dynasty to the present day, some of them quite fascinating. The Japanese numerals in writing are entirely based on the Chinese numerals and the grouping of large numbers follow the Chinese tradition of grouping by 10,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_numerals The 10,000 unit base was also used by the ancient Greeks. The Greek term survives in English today: MYRIADS. The Romans of course followed suit. One interesting consequence of the 10^4 system is the ability to do quite complex calculations verbally. This is referred to in the piece on Chinese numerals and Herodotus' Histories contain many examples of his calculating "out loud." Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: "Doug Ross" To: "Meteorite List List" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] term definitions and usage Hi Doug, I'm not sure about China, but counting large numbers in Japanese is indeed based on 10^4 increments: 1,000 = 1 "sen" 10,000 = 1 "mahn" 100,000 = 10 "mahn" 1,000,000 = 100 "mahn" 10,000,000 = 1 "sen mahn" 100,000,000 = 1 "oku" I believe it's similar in some other Asian languages, as well. - Doug Ross Correct me if I'm wrong, but are big Chinese numbers are based on [10^4]^i. Kindest wishes Doug __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] term definitions and usage
Hi Doug, I'm not sure about China, but counting large numbers in Japanese is indeed based on 10^4 increments: 1,000 = 1 "sen" 10,000 = 1 "mahn" 100,000 = 10 "mahn" 1,000,000 = 100 "mahn" 10,000,000 = 1 "sen mahn" 100,000,000 = 1 "oku" I believe it's similar in some other Asian languages, as well. - Doug Ross > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but are big Chinese numbers are based on [10^4]^i. > Kindest wishes > Doug __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Rarest of All Meteorites!
Craig, Please expound on your quick comment. And/or explain what you may be trying to say. Thank you, John Lutzon - Original Message - From: "Craig Moody" To: ; Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Rarest of All Meteorites! Even more rare that Chinese River Irons! Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:38:17 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] The Rarest of All Meteorites! Hi List, Amazingly, I have run across the "rarest of all meteorites" Wait for it.. Silicated Campo! Apparently it's more rare than - lunars, martians, brachinites, ungrouped carbonaceous chondrites, winonaites, acapulcoites, etc. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEWLY-FOUND-SILICATED-CAMPO-METEORITE-ARGENTINA-/380327873565?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588d4ecc1d Since when the do the words "rare" and "Campo" belong in the same sentence? Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage
Hello Listoids, Ah! Cleverly disguised as a neophyte question, my query as to usage of terms of age has spawned quite the rally of input! (Actually, this is why I brought it up.) -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: "Randy Korotev" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage I attended my first scientific conference as a graduate student sometime in the early 70's. My first exposure to lunar geochronology was a session I attended at that conference. I was surprised to learn that the community of isotope geochronologists was very contentious to the point of being insulting and rude. After nearly every talk somebody got up and asked a pointed question or made a damning comment. After one talk someone in the audience got up and chastised the speaker for having presented all his age data with the units "byr." The chastiser was very adamant that "billion years" was an obsolete and a just-plain-wrong term, in part because the word billion means a different things in America and Britain. "The proper term is Ga for gigaannum (you idiot)!" The next speaker got up and started his talk like this: "A nano gigaannum ago at this conference we presented some data..." It took almost until the end of the sentence for the audience to appreciate the joke and erupt into laughter. Randy Korotev __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth
Count...with due respect, it was Tina Faye who characterized the "see Russia from my house" Sarah thang on Saturday Night Live - Original Message - From: "Count Deiro" To: "Adam Hupe" ; "Adam" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Sort of like Sarah Palin, I can see the "early man" site, as we kids called the area where we found mammoth teeth and bones nearly sixty years ago, from the second floor of my house. I remember kids bringing home elephant teeth and trading them for marbles.. A number of digs have been funded in Las Vegas over the last half century and the area is now supposed to be better protected and dedicated as a historical site when the State gets some dough. Adam is correct. There are fossils all over North Las Vegas, even within the housing subdivisions, and the folks just ATV and ride horses all over them. It's nothing to find a fossil in the Las Vegas Valley. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe Sent: Jul 25, 2011 2:55 PM To: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Yes, there are fossils everywhere north of Vegas. They have an area that looks like a miniature Grand Canyon. People are riding motorcycles and quad runners all over fossil camels and mammoths and do not have a clue. They have also left behind tons and tons of trash used for target practice. We have had bullets zing over our heads and ricochet through the canyons so it not the safest place to be. Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth
Sort of like Sarah Palin, I can see the "early man" site, as we kids called the area where we found mammoth teeth and bones nearly sixty years ago, from the second floor of my house. I remember kids bringing home elephant teeth and trading them for marbles.. A number of digs have been funded in Las Vegas over the last half century and the area is now supposed to be better protected and dedicated as a historical site when the State gets some dough. Adam is correct. There are fossils all over North Las Vegas, even within the housing subdivisions, and the folks just ATV and ride horses all over them. It's nothing to find a fossil in the Las Vegas Valley. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Adam Hupe >Sent: Jul 25, 2011 2:55 PM >To: Adam >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth > >Yes, there are fossils everywhere north of Vegas. They have an area that looks >like a miniature Grand Canyon. People are riding motorcycles and quad runners >all over fossil camels and mammoths and do not have a clue. They have also >left behind tons and tons of trash used for target practice. We have had >bullets zing over our heads and ricochet through the canyons so it not the >safest place to be. > >Happy Hunting, > >Adam >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] From Meteorites to Mammoths
Hi List, Thanks for all of your kind replies. I thought it was a pretty cool discovery too. I will have to get the okay from the agency before I post pictures. I think they may want to explore the area first. Thanks, Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] From Meteorites to Mammoths
Hi Larry Funny story. I have one kinda like it. Before I left home in WA State for this Documentary film in the North Atlantic Sea . I got a call from a guy that read one of my Meteorite wanted posters . A older fella that builds logging roads . He does a lot of heavy equipment work . He said he found a big strange rock on one of his jobs a few years back. It was real rusty on the out side & was sluffing off what looked like rusty stuff but the inside looked like Iron. He said in all of his time 30 years of heavy equipment digging he has never seen a rock like it before. And that there are more at this same location. But he just kept the one. He said it was about 18 ft underground He loaded it with one of his tractors into his truck & took it home. He said he would pay my gas to drive up & look at it when I get home in Sept. Sounds like a good lead So I will go have a look see when I get back. Scott Johnson U.S. AirBorne Sport Aviation LLC Eagles Nest Airpark Sport Pilot C.F.I WSC-L WSC-S www.usairborne.com i...@usairborne.com Office 509-780-0554 Cell 509-780-8377 -- From: "Larry Atkins" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:56 PM To: ; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] From Meteorites to Mammoths Greast find Sonny! You never know what you'll find when you go looking. About 6 or 7 years ago I was working as an electrician on a big industrial new build, and thinking I was being funny, asked the guy that had the excavating contract if he had ever dug up a meteorite. He said, "No, but I once dug up a Wooly Mammoth!" Turns out that he dug it up in the town of Lake Orion, only about 10 miles from my house. Too bad he didn't say that he did dig up a meteorite and then lead me to a giant iron or something. Happy Hunting, Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: wahlpe...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Jul 24, 2011 7:28 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] From Meteorites to Mammoths Hi List, I wanted to share some exciting news about a phone call I recently received. While I was out in the field looking for meteorites I came across some fossilized bones that were eroding out of the desert ground. I took a few pictures and showed them to the agency responsible for that area. They called me the other day to let me know that what I had found was a Mammoth! I don't believe any Mammoth's have been found at this location before. I hope to post some pictures of this when I get home. Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Quarry hunting
Hello. Just wondering if anyone has had any luck hunting in a gravel quarry? Not onw where rock is blasted, rather ones that dig up and sift various sizes of 'river rock' type material, such as glacial moraine or drumlins. Cheers, Craig __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Long and Short Scales [WAS: term definitions and usage]
The discussion is actually about "Long" and "Short" Scales. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales The first paragraph of the page: "The long and short scales are two of several different large-number naming systems used throughout the world for integer powers of ten. Many countries, including most in continental Europe, use the long scale whereas most English-speaking countries use the short scale. In all such countries, the number names are translated into the local language, but retain a name similarity due to shared etymology. Some languages, particularly in East Asia, have large number naming systems that are different from the long and short scales." Actually a very interesting page, including the history of the scales and a listing of their use by country. Thanks for the discussion. I learned quite a bit! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] From Meteorites to Mammoths
Greast find Sonny! You never know what you'll find when you go looking. About 6 or 7 years ago I was working as an electrician on a big industrial new build, and thinking I was being funny, asked the guy that had the excavating contract if he had ever dug up a meteorite. He said, "No, but I once dug up a Wooly Mammoth!" Turns out that he dug it up in the town of Lake Orion, only about 10 miles from my house. Too bad he didn't say that he did dig up a meteorite and then lead me to a giant iron or something. Happy Hunting, Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: wahlpe...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Jul 24, 2011 7:28 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] From Meteorites to Mammoths Hi List, I wanted to share some exciting news about a phone call I recently received. While I was out in the field looking for meteorites I came across some fossilized bones that were eroding out of the desert ground. I took a few pictures and showed them to the agency responsible for that area. They called me the other day to let me know that what I had found was a Mammoth! I don't believe any Mammoth's have been found at this location before. I hope to post some pictures of this when I get home. Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage
Michael,Andre, and Leo A"billion" in Mexico is even scarier than the two versions in the USAand Europe. Like Leo says, from Spain, 10^9 is "a thousand million"is common, but the proximity to the US and overflow/translations of news havemade it a big mess in meaning - at least in the northeast and"billion" for 10^9 is often used, erroneous or not, and I must admitto never hearing anyone use a billion for 10^12, but it must be. Thatwas a very complete website link on big numbers, Andre, thanks. Randy, Perfectfollow-up - as corny as I may sound, may I add that your/his"nano-gigaannum" joke is "timeless" ;-) Must have been fun to watch as a young entrant (and think ... I'm never going to turn into that...) I still use mya,habits are hard to break when they seem to flow so easily, like writing"I'm" instead of "I am". Everyone/ Iwon't forget my extended trip to Pakistan some time ago. Over there and inIndia, when speaking of the value of a house, for example, the base big unit isa lakh (rupee). It is 100,000. Took a little adjustment since everything inEurope and the Americas is based on triplets of zeros. I was all giddy feelinglike Johnny Quest as soon as I mastered the concept of lakh and used it everychance I got... Thetrivial name differences between the long and short European/American systemmight be humorous to some of them, everyone is always finds some cultural thingto defend for the preservation of life and liberty (similar to Randy's account).Just three years ago at a major star party I was discussing my meteorites withsomeone in the chow line and one of the (few) women flipped out when she heardme speak of grams, "This is America, speak American - we use ounceshere!" I was admonished very sharply. I was hungry so the answer was 'yes,ma'am', but dinner didn't taste so good as it should have for some sad reason... something to do with being at a gathering of fellow astronomers... Correctme if I'm wrong, but are big Chinese numbers are based on [10^4]^i. Kindestwishes Doug (This is a resend since a lightening strike resent my email to RTF and this post in its original form didn't go through to the general list) -Original Message- From: Randy Korotev To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:52 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage I attended my first scientific conference as a graduate student sometime in the early 70's. My first exposure to lunar geochronology was a session I attended at that conference. I was surprised to learn that the community of isotope geochronologists was very contentious to the point of being insulting and rude. After nearly every talk somebody got up and asked a pointed question or made a damning comment. After one talk someone in the audience got up and chastised the speaker for having presented all his age data with the units "byr." The chastiser was very adamant that "billion years" was an obsolete and a just-plain-wrong term, in part because the word billion means a different things in America and Britain. "The proper term is Ga for gigaannum (you idiot)!" The next speaker got up and started his talk like this: "A nano gigaannum ago at this conference we presented some data..." It took almost until the end of the sentence for the audience to appreciate the joke and erupt into laughter. Randy Korotev __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Younger Dryas (pseudo?)-tektites
Hi List, I was just curious if anyone has seen and has more information on; or better yet, can post a link to an image, of any of the enigmatic microtektite or microtektite-like things found in the Younger-Dryas Boundary, and referred to in West et. al., (where et. al. includes our respected listmember Ted Bunch): From their poster at the International Union for Quiarternary Research conference in Bern, Switzerland in progress at the moment, and to be presented tomorrow, Tuesday 26 Jul, from 14:30 to 15:50 in the Bern Expo2 poster hall: "Shock-melt Evidence for a Cosmic Impact with Earth during the Younger Dryas at 12.9 ka" "Some glassy objects from the YDB are aerodynamically formed into teardrops, dumbbells, and other shapes. These morphologies are common to microtektites and macrotektites from the Southeast Asian strewnfield, but are not apparent in micrometeorite collections." Does anyone have a piece of this material - I'd love to see it? Kindest wishes Doug (This is a resend since a lightening strike resent my email to RTF and this post in its original form didn't go through) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Special Auctions Edning Tonight!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth
Yes, there are fossils everywhere north of Vegas. They have an area that looks like a miniature Grand Canyon. People are riding motorcycles and quad runners all over fossil camels and mammoths and do not have a clue. They have also left behind tons and tons of trash used for target practice. We have had bullets zing over our heads and ricochet through the canyons so it not the safest place to be. Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] From Meteorites to Mammoths
Wow Sonny What a great find . I cant wait to see some photos of it. I am totally jealous & stuck here in the Wet & Cold Shetland Islands in Scotland a bit longer. But I have been looking for that chance in a million or billion that a meteorite may have been stacked years back in the very very old rocks walls that are are over the islands here . No such luck yet on that dream, but I do get to see lots of bunnies watching me . Scott Johnson U.S. AirBorne Sport Aviation LLC Eagles Nest Airpark Sport Pilot C.F.I WSC-L WSC-S www.usairborne.com i...@usairborne.com Office 509-780-0554 Cell 509-780-8377 -- From: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:28 PM To: Subject: [meteorite-list] From Meteorites to Mammoths Hi List, I wanted to share some exciting news about a phone call I recently received. While I was out in the field looking for meteorites I came across some fossilized bones that were eroding out of the desert ground. I took a few pictures and showed them to the agency responsible for that area. They called me the other day to let me know that what I had found was a Mammoth! I don't believe any Mammoth's have been found at this location before. I hope to post some pictures of this when I get home. Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mammoth
Wonder if this is it? Or are they just popping up all over? http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/dec/03/mammoth-tusk-discovered-near-north-las-vegas/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage
Dear Doug and List I guess you opened the Pandora box... But, thanks, I would have never thought there were so many differences ! But, please, Doug, don't think and say "Europe" when you mean UK etc... They drive on the "wrong side"... and for a French like me, they are the Perfid Albion... the "weirdest human beings on Earth" ... just kidding of course ! (I say it with a more than a friendly tone ! ) On the other hand, I was surprised by the Spanish answer from Leo... I naively thought that Billion/Milliard was of the same magnitude in the Iberic Peninsula... well... I was wrong, I guess. Glad to see the answer from Göran from Sweden: like in France ! Finally ! I guess this definitely shows that "Europe" is still only a patchwork of very diverse cultures and meanings, which is more than ok, but with no main common future in sight for a while... as it seems, looking at political turnouts. Hope "we" don't need a "Secession War" to "accord" our views... well... In the mean time, the emerging countries might solve that for all. So be it. And sorry for the OT, but I am 50 years old, have seen many atrocities on our "terrestrial" world but what just happened in Norway... is a Horror movie made Real ! Different then others, different from 9/11 and others... but of the same magnitude. All the best to you and your loved ones... MB From: MexicoDoug Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:23 PM To: koro...@wustl.edu ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; elemen...@peconic.net ; supeind...@hotmail.com ; aknoe...@minorplanets.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage Michael, Andre, and Leo A "billion" in Mexico is even scarier than the two versions in the USA and Europe. Like Leo says, from Spain, 10^9 is "a thousand million" is common, but the proximity to the US and overflow/translations of news have made it a big mess in meaning - at least in the northeast and "billion" for 10^9 is often used, erroneous or not, and I must admit to never hearing anyone use a billion for 10^12, but it must be. That was a very complete website link on big numbers, Andre, thanks. Randy, Perfect follow-up - as corny as I may sound, may I add that your/his "nano-gigaannum" joke is "timeless" ;-) Must have been fun to watch as a young entrant (and think ... I'm never going to turn into that...) I still use mya, habits are hard to break when they seem to flow so easily, like writing "I'm" instead of "I am". Everyone/ I won't forget my extended trip to Pakistan some time ago. Over there and in India, when speaking of the value of a house, for example, the base big unit is a lakh (rupee). It is 100,000. Took a little adjustment since everything in Europe and the Americas is based on triplets of zeros. I was all giddy feeling like Johnny Quest as soon as I mastered the concept of lakh and used it every chance I got... The trivial name differences between the long and short European/American system might be humorous to some of them, everyone is always finds some cultural thing to defend for the preservation of life and liberty (similar to Randy's account). Just three years ago at a major star party I was discussing my meteorites with someone in the chow line and one of the (few) women flipped out when she heard me speak of grams, "This is America, speak American - we use ounces here!" I was admonished very sharply. I was hungry so the answer was 'yes, ma'am', but dinner didn't taste so good as it should have for some sad reason ... something to do with being at a gathering of fellow astronomers... Correct me if I'm wrong, but are big Chinese numbers are based on [10^4]^i. Kindest wishes Doug __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD great eBay auction
Dear List Members I have several auction (just listed and ending soon). Ending soon : - beauty Tamdakht end piece : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190557057117&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_585wt_1396 - chondrite NWA: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190557058419&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_533wt_1396 - and another chondrite NWA: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190557059120&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_549wt_1396 Specimen listed today : Huge fresh Tamdakht (last such big available for sale): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190559029975&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_585wt_1396 Amazing Ghubara end piece with beauty texture (real Museum Quality) : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190559033050&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_601wt_1396 NWA chondrite with fresh interior : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190559031345&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_549wt_1396 All auction: http://shop.ebay.com/meteoritepoland/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 Thanks for watching All the best Tomasz Jakubowski IMCA #2321 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Craters @ -44.602245 -68.356722
That was a fun read, Ted Brattstrom, Here's another good area in Argentina, and a crater I visited in Kauai: -44.674044 -68.059731 .740 km el -45.139829 -68.360533 1.36X.41 km size NNW, .472 km el low at NNW bottom, 112 m below .482 km el plateau W of low point, shows as usual no high rim, confirming the formation by erosion within a few seconds of high density very hot directed blast from air burst of ice comet fragment arriving at perhaps 35 km/sec at low angle, maybe 10-45 deg to ground -- common white minerals may arrive from impactor. -45.207627 -68.38 2 km size crater on plateau, with many fractal craters close together, .378 km el low, 94 m below .452 km el plateau to NE, with .2 km size crater on SE rim, .419 km low, 29 m below .448 km el plateau -- while the very similar rim slope in angle and height, that is the outer boundary of this long NS plateau, is evidence that a much vaster plateau surface was ablated away by the barrage of air burst comet fragments, not by previous or subsequent massive water floods. The plateau surface in general must have been partially melted and levelled during the geoablative process. Four fine ground photos on Google Earth N of this location show some of the flat dark and red layers in this region: Los Altares, Chubut Argentina, ground view, -44.725178 -68.611603 .322 km el, fromted brattstrom volcano...@yahoo.com reply-toted brattstrom to Rich Murray , "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" dateSat, Jul 23, 2011 at 7:50 PM subject Re: [meteorite-list] Craters @ -44.602245 -68.356722 7:50 PM (11 hours ago) Aloha - I had a quick look, sure looked like volcanics - looked farther around, really looks like volcanic craters!!! I figured I better really check - so, a quick one "geological map argentina" in google http://geology.about.com/library/bl/maps/blargentinamap.htm Yup, Cretaceous-Tertiary volcanics... [ Rich Murray: Dennis Cox says surface rocks melted by air bursts are often mistaken as volcanic. ] Alas, not all craters / circular features are impact craters... [ Rich Murray: According to simulations by Mark Boslough, air bursts result in complex directed jets at over 5,000 deg Kelvin, capable of melting sand into glass, and much more... I see that the jets can create a huge variety of features on the ground -- typically shallow and rimless complex carvings. ] (all of my local craters are non-impact, and they are exciting enough! much as I enjoy impact craters. The first 2 are about 5 km from my house, the 3rd is about 8-9 km away) [ Rich Murray: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/maps.html Pu' u O' o volcano, Hawai'i Hawai'i Volcanoes National Park 19.388960 -155.110755 .801 km el 19.151552 -151.502513 -5.5260 km el question: what is this? typical of deep ocean floors? flat floor with ~1-4 km parallel N-S ridges, with ~.1 km rippling E-W -- provides uniform background texture for assessing craters, volcanoes, turbidity currents, and megatsunamies... 21.880050 -159.445920 Here's a crater I visited: Pu'u wanawana, Kauai, fine ground photos from circular dirt road to W and SSE. .038 km el low, .21 km size outer edge, 16 m under .054 km el top at N rim, 26 m under .062 km el high at fork in dirt road to NEE, 20 m above paved road to SWW, In April, 2009 I found the bowl to be full of inpenetratable thorns -- also the red surface lava at the rim top is in large and small framents, with surface glazes and melting. My wife was waiting in the car, and I hadn't yet learned to use my BlackBerry Storm camera... Note the lack of associated lava flows downhill from this feature. How long could this crater have lasted, given the amount of rain? half-crater, light color, 19.737979 -155.935276 1.195 km el top, 63 m above 1.132 low NNE rim, many dark volcanic vents nearby, ? mystery hill, light orange, 19.799852 -156.009117, .100 km el top, SE from sea .81X.36 km, ] Pu'u 'O'o live http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hvo/cams/POcam/ Halema'uma'u live http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hvo/cams/HMcam/ Halema'uma'u panorama live http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hvo/cams/KIcam/ Mauna Loa live http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hvo/cams/MLcam/ Cheers - ted From: Rich Murray To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Rich Murray ; Rich Murray Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 6:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] -44.602245 -68.356722 km size, 45 m deep, more craters in all directions for great distances...: Rich Murray 2011.07.22 -44.602245 -68.356722 km size, 45 m deep, more craters in all directions for great distances...: Rich Murray 2011.07.22 -44.602245 -68.356722 .623 km el low, 45 m under .628 km el to NE, km size, more craters in all directions for great distances. meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, rmfor...@gmail.com, rmfor...@comcast.net, ted brattstrom , mhbar...@gmail.com, dragon-hun...@live.com, cosmop...@gmail.com, geo...@restorationsystems.com, mbbo...@sandia.gov, oxytropidoce...@cox
[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auction
HI All I gave these well known Mars Display Boxes to my niece to sell for college spending money. I told her to sell them cheaper than others that can be found on ebay. Feel free to help her out I will stand behind her as a guarantee on the auction. Ebay Item number 280707273935 http://cgi.ebay.com/280707273935 Thanks ! Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage
I don't know about other countries, but in Sweden we have : Miljon = 10^6 Miljard = 10^9 Biljon = 10^12 Biljard = 10^15 1 Ga i always 10^9 years. /Göran Michael Bross skrev 2011-07-25 10:54: Hi Doug, List, What do you mean with "many Europeans consider the billion with 12 zeros" ? Billion is called "Milliard" (and subsequent language variations) and has 9 zeros, like Giga. All the best MB From: MexicoDoug Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:54 AM To: c...@alumni.caltech.edu ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage Many Europeans consider the billion with 12 zeros (1,000,000,000,000), while in the US and many other countries, it has been considered nine zeros, a thousand million. Giga has the benefit of only referring to nine zeros everywhere ... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Several suckers born every minute
Hi Matt and List, Here is the catch-22 that this auction represents : If eBay were to crack down on fake meteorites and remove these bogus listings, they would undoubtedly remove many legitimate listings as well. This would create a hassle for legit sellers offering genuine meteorites. Worse, the attention this would bring to meteorites would be largely negative and might set into motion a chain of events that leads to more negative press about meteorites and possible regulation of the market. On the other hand, eBay will not remove the most obvious fakes, even if they receive several reports from long-time members in good standing. This is because eBay makes a profit from these bogus listings in the form of listing fees, final value fees, and PayPal fees. The more fakes eBay allows in their marketplace, the more money their corporate greed-masters rake in. So, in essence, the sellers of bogus meteorites and eBay executives have something in common - they both profit from the sale of fake/misrepresented items. Sadly, it is not in eBay's best (profit) interest to combat the listing of fakes and it is not in our (meteorite community) best interest that they remove these listings because the fallout may be worse than the problem. eBay takes a keen interest in combating fake Gucci purses and bogus high-dollar designer items - because the corporate owners of these trademarked items have riches and influence - they can sue the crap out of eBay for allowing fake listings and being complicit in the fraud. The meteorite community has no such influence, so we are a silent and powerless target. Unless there is a wholesale change in the way corporate America prioritizes their values, we will continue to see fake meteorites offered for sale on eBay. Or, unless people start suing eBay for being complicit in meteorite fraud, we will continue to see legions of bogus listings. And again, this is where the catch-22 surfaces again - do we really want eBay to crack down on meteorite authenticity, and the resulting regulation that will come with it? If getting rid of fake meteorites means some bureaucrat is going to stick his legislative nose into my (and your) personal business, then I would rather see the gullible and lazy lose their money to scammers. Afterall, the majority of these bogus specimens are so obvious that a sea-slug could determine they are fake. If people would simply do their homework and educate themselves before bidding, then we would not have this problem. The resources are out there for anyone with a web browser. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 7/25/11, Matthew Martin wrote: > OMG, it sold for $300!!! How sad... Even more sad is that the seller will > almost certainly continue this now seeing that he is making good money off > of fakes...and of course their will be more victims. > > Matt > > -- > Matthew Martin > Meteorite Treasures > P.O. Box 164, Kaaawa, HI 96730 > www.meteoritetreasures.com > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks < > meteoritem...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> Here is another unfortunate example of an obvious meteorwrong being >> offered as a "pallasite". >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-Must-Sell-Unfortunately-Love-Pallasite-/170668340104?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27bca03388 >> >> There is so much wrong with this one, that you have to read it for >> yourself. Read the silly description, then scroll down and read the >> nonsense answer the seller gave to a question. >> >> Seller also states he "would like to have the option to buy it back" LOL >> >> I have several "pallasites" like this laying in my back yard - who >> wants to buy one? >> >> Sadly, this lump of crap has several bids and is currently bidding at >> $152. What an expensive lesson to learn. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> -- >> >> - >> Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) >> >> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my >> News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >> EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 >> >> - >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-lis
[meteorite-list] SALE - Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites
Hi all, I am selling "Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites" (2002), see http://www.cambridge.org/uk/astronomy/features/meteorites/ for more details on this book. The copy is used but like new. If interested please contact me off-list. Best regards, Leos Ondra __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage
I attended my first scientific conference as a graduate student sometime in the early 70's. My first exposure to lunar geochronology was a session I attended at that conference. I was surprised to learn that the community of isotope geochronologists was very contentious to the point of being insulting and rude. After nearly every talk somebody got up and asked a pointed question or made a damning comment. After one talk someone in the audience got up and chastised the speaker for having presented all his age data with the units "byr." The chastiser was very adamant that "billion years" was an obsolete and a just-plain-wrong term, in part because the word billion means a different things in America and Britain. "The proper term is Ga for gigaannum (you idiot)!" The next speaker got up and started his talk like this: "A nano gigaannum ago at this conference we presented some data..." It took almost until the end of the sentence for the audience to appreciate the joke and erupt into laughter. Randy Korotev __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Some very nice pieces for sale!!!
Hey List, I have some niece pieces for sale. Here you can check the pieces: http://shop.ebay.com/gruenekatze3/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 Cheers David ___ Schon gehört? WEB.DE hat einen genialen Phishing-Filter in die Toolbar eingebaut! http://produkte.web.de/go/toolbar __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage
Here in Spain a billion is also 10^12, a literal translation from what we call 10^9 here would be "a thousand millions". BTW, a "real" binary gigabyte is not 10^9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix Best regards, Leo > From: elemen...@peconic.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; mexicod...@aim.com > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:54:03 +0200 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage > > Hi Doug, List, > > What do you mean with "many Europeans consider the billion with 12 zeros" ? > Billion is called "Milliard" (and subsequent language variations) and has 9 > zeros, like Giga. > > All the best > MB > > > > From: MexicoDoug > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:54 AM > To: c...@alumni.caltech.edu ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage > > > Many Europeans consider the billion with 12 zeros (1,000,000,000,000), > while in the US and many other countries, it has been considered nine > zeros, a thousand million. Giga has the benefit of only referring to > nine zeros everywhere ... > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad : nice UNWA mets for sale
Hi all There are some nice Ordinary Chondrites for sale , if interested contact me . Regards Malek __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage
This website is maybe useful: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LargeNumber.html Best André - original Nachricht Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage Gesendet: Mo, 25. Jul 2011 Von: Michael Bross > Hi Doug, List, > > What do you mean with "many Europeans consider the billion with 12 zeros" ? > Billion is called "Milliard" (and subsequent language variations) and has 9 > > zeros, like Giga. > > All the best > MB > > > > From: MexicoDoug > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:54 AM > To: c...@alumni.caltech.edu ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage > > > Many Europeans consider the billion with 12 zeros (1,000,000,000,000), > while in the US and many other countries, it has been considered nine > zeros, a thousand million. Giga has the benefit of only referring to > nine zeros everywhere ... > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > --- original Nachricht Ende __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage
Hi Doug, List, What do you mean with "many Europeans consider the billion with 12 zeros" ? Billion is called "Milliard" (and subsequent language variations) and has 9 zeros, like Giga. All the best MB From: MexicoDoug Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:54 AM To: c...@alumni.caltech.edu ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage Many Europeans consider the billion with 12 zeros (1,000,000,000,000), while in the US and many other countries, it has been considered nine zeros, a thousand million. Giga has the benefit of only referring to nine zeros everywhere ... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
