Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components
Count et. al., I had the same thought about conducting any such discussion offlist. I just neglected to say so in my initial email. Forgive my momentary lapse. Anyone interested in participating or simply listening in please email me directly using the topic 'Science and Faith' and I will set up a list for this purpose. In the name of privacy and a fully open discussion I intend to strip all comments to the new list of all participant's identities. Gary Maybe on some other LIst? Please. Count Deiro __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Australia widely-seen meteor 12MAR2012
Dear List, Another large fireball... Australia widely-seen meteor 12MAR2012 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/mbiq-detects-fireball-meteor-over.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Gujba http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
Dear List, This is a fantastic meteorite!!! http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roof-in-norway.html Anyone want to venture guesses? Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
This one screams 'Lunar at me! Gary This is a fantastic meteorite!!! http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roof-in-norway.html Anyone want to venture guesses? Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
Hi Dirk, The first NWA to fall in Norway! http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/meteorite_basaltic%20achondrite.htm Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of drtanuki Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:50 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Dear List, This is a fantastic meteorite!!! http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roo f-in-norway.html Anyone want to venture guesses? Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
Dear list, As the owner of the pictured meteorite, I am afraid I have to spoil your enthusiasm a little. As usual in such cases the editors just took a an exemplary picture from my website to illustrate their article. The Nordic Page making no exception, did so without asking for prior permission. The meteorite pictured is NWA 5787, an eucrite which was discovered in 2009. The strange appearance is due to a very high shock level, in fact the extraordinary shock pressures resulted in the complete melting of the plagioclase in this sample. However, I absolutely do share your appreciation for this particular specimen. If interested pls. see some additional photos here: http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/meteorite_basaltic%20achondrite.htm http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/meteorite_basaltic%20achondrite.htm Kind regards Svend www.meteorite-recon.com http://www.meteorite-recon.com drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com hat am 12. März 2012 um 11:49 geschrieben: Dear List, This is a fantastic meteorite!!! http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roof-in-norway.html Anyone want to venture guesses? Dirk Ross...Tokyo Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
Have a look at this: http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=notl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2F Best regards Martin Von: Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:23:54 +0100 Hi Dirk, The first NWA to fall in Norway! http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/meteorite_basaltic%20achondrite.htm Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of drtanuki Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:50 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Dear List, This is a fantastic meteorite!!! http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roo f-in-norway.html Anyone want to venture guesses? Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
This is a new fall. Pack your bags! Go Norge! ;-) Martin Von: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de An: Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:35:47 +0100 Have a look at this: http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=notl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2F Best regards Martin Von: Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:23:54 +0100 Hi Dirk, The first NWA to fall in Norway! http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/meteorite_basaltic%20achondrite.htm Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of drtanuki Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:50 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Dear List, This is a fantastic meteorite!!! http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roo f-in-norway.html Anyone want to venture guesses? Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Murchisons 1 - 50 grams
Hello list, a good friend of mine here in Australia has access to Murchison specimens in the weight range from around 1 – 50 grams. The price will be less than $US 140/g ! He needs to move fast so anybody who is interested in buying a certain amount of this material contact i...@ckminerals.com.au a.s.a.p. Cheers Werner Schroer IMCA #2101 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5958 - Specimens - AD
Hi Greg and List, Awesome meteorite. I'll state the obvious - from looking at the photos, Murchison comes to mind. It definitely reminds me of Murchison. That type of material has a certain look to it, and I wouldn't be surprised if most carbonaceous stones of these types share a parent body. Perhaps Murchison and her children got thrown off a large C-ung asteroid. :) Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 3/12/12, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Dear List, Last night I announced and posted a couple links to abstracts of, NWA 5958, a Uniquely Primitive Ungrouped Carbonaceous Chondrite Type 3.00 Available specimens as of 3-12-2012 (all are fragments, some with fusion crust). I have not cut any of the fragments, but you can see how fresh and much darker the interior is by the first image of the 9.726g piece. I would like to offer these on a first come, first served basis so please email me if you are interested in any of these. Thank you for your interest! 9.726g – $2430.00 (SOLD) 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0001.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0002.jpg 8.718g – $2180.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0003.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0004.jpg 8.284g - $2070.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0005.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0006.jpg 6.778g - $1695.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0007.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0008.jpg 6.068g with crust – $1517.00 (SOLD) 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0009.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0010.jpg 5.830g with crust - $1458.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0011.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0012.jpg 5.380g with small amount of crust - $1345.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0013.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0014.jpg 5.106g with crust - $1276.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0015.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0016.jpg 4.706g with crust - $1176.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0017.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0018.jpg 4.626g - $1156.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0019.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0020.jpg 4.398g with crust - $1099.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0021.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0022.jpg 3.914g - $979.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0023.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0024.jpg 3.592g - $934.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0025.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0026.jpg 3.456g with crust - $898.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0027.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0028.jpg 3.454g - $898.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0029.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0030.jpg 3.058g - $795.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0031.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0032.jpg 2.966g - $771.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0033.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0034.jpg 2.946g with crust - $766.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0035.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0036.jpg 2.712g with crust - $732.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0037.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0038.jpg 2.636g with crust - $712.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0039.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0040.jpg 2.554g - $689.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0041.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0042.jpg 2.552g - $689.00 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0043.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0044.jpg 2.482g - $670.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0045.jpg 2.250g - $630.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0046.jpg 2.212g - $620.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0047.jpg 1.966g - $550.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0048.jpg 1.876g with crust - $544.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0049.jpg 1.626g - $423.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0050.jpg 1.402g - $420.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0051.jpg 1.396g - $419.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0052.jpg 1.390g - $417.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0053.jpg 1.288g - $386.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0054.jpg 1.242g - $372.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0055.jpg 1.224g - $367.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0056.jpg 1.208g - $362.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0057.jpg 876mg with crust - $263.00 (SOLD)
[meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway - beware of criminals!
This location in Oslo happen to have a high crime rate, probably one of the highest in Norway. Murders, violence etc. While studying in Oslo many years back I lived only a kilometer from the fall location for many years. I run into one of the criminals while I lived here. The story is not so nice to tell.. So be warned if you go here. The stone is a breccia. Probably ordinary chondrite H or L, maybe L? This find may(?) be a result of the high interest factor concerning meteorites in Norway. Moss and Oslo is not far from each other, so really fantastic, just 6 years apart! Bjørn Sørheim, in Norway __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway - beware of criminals!
This location in Oslo happen to have high crime rate, probably one of the highest in Norway. Murders, violence etc. While studying in Oslo many years back I lived only a kilometer from the fall location for many years. I run into one of the criminals while I lived here. The story is not so nice to tell.. So be warned if you go here. The stone is a breccia. Probably ordinary chondrite H or L, maybe L? This find may(?) be a result of the high interest factor concerning meteorites in Norway. Moss and Oslo is not far from each other, so really fantastic, just 6 years apart! Bjørn Sørheim, in Norway __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components
Good points Richard, Michael, (I will apologize in advance for the length of this post; I started writing a couldn't stop) Divine Creation vs Natural Formation. That is the question. That is a VERY large part of why I love meteorites so much. Meteorites have allowed me a look into the universe and answer some very important personal, spiritual, and scientific questions as to the origins of Earth, the planets, and ourselves. Meteorites are keys to unlocking our past, the formation of Earth, the solar system, stars, galaxies, and ultimately the universe itself. The problem with the divine creation (anthropomorphic creator) hypothesis is that it's an assumption of observance. In other words the watchmaker paradox. The universe exists, how did it come to be? Something must have created it. Right? Not necessarily. That my friends is an absolute assumption. And the argument should stop right there, but it doesn't. Believers will argue that something can't come from nothing and non-believers will argue that everything came from what we perceive as nothing. (The Big Bang) Science and non-believers go one step further and say We don't know what happened before the Big Bang. That is intellectual honesty and good science. And this might be offensive to some, and I'm sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained stop and start at I don't know, lets find out. instead of god did it.? Evolution, Panspermia, Transpermia, Abiogenesis, Planetary Science, Astrobiology, Astronomy, Anthropology, Archeology, they all help explain the universe and world around us. Meteorites specifically are absolutely a vital clue to unlocking the secrets of the universe because they (the asteroids and comets that make them) not only are they the very material that formed our planet, every single planet, planetesimal, asteroid, comet, meteoroid, and spec of dust floating around our star was once part of another star before, as are we. It's a cycle, a system, a circular system of formation and destruction, somewhere in between life formed. Why create a creator to explain the unexplainable? Why not instead use science to determine origins rather than speculate on a divine supernatural beginning. Empirical evidenced fact outweighs speculative assumption every time. We are in fact part of nature, not separate from it. We need not transpose an anthropomorphic creatot to explain something we don't yet know. Regardless of whether there is a divine creator, or not, no one can prove it empirically either way. (yet) That's what science is for. If there is, science will find out, if there is not, science will find out. Either way, the truth will only be the truth when we prove it with evidence, not speculative assumption of the observable. Regards, Eric Quoting Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net: Hi Michael and List (a different Richard here!) Contrary to the often mis-conception that 'religion' and 'God' are interchangeable...and considering the 'dangerous' ground upon which a discussion of this sort may be inappropriate for the meteoritical discussion hereallow me this thought: A person of 'faith' may not rule out transpernmia in theory; it simply expands the pie. A 'religious' person tied tether-bound to a strick doctrine may reject such an 'outlandish' notion out-of-hand, as it disrupts the entire reality from which their foundation is built. In short, (in my small and insignificant yet human perspective), it should be rational to allow both transpermia and a perspective of God that trancends all current 'views' of even Christianity, allowing for all three to co-existjust a thought Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Dick Lipke richardli...@comcast.net; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components Hi Richard, As an Anthropologist I can assure you all religions have NOT Viewed God as male - some were female and some were non-gender Specific spirit. Garry, I agree with you - interesting topic, but I fear a good many On the list would see it as non-meteorite related in spite of the fact That transpermia (via meteorites) compels such a discussion about why People of faith would reject transpermia out of hand. They damned Near tortured Galileo to death for saying the world was not the center Of the universe (and he lived the remainder of his life under house arrest). Religious persecution of scientific recognition of inconvenient facts has always been part of history and continues to this day - most religions
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
Hummm,,, Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball or sonic boom report? Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about meteorite producing events? Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
Here you go, Elton : Meteor with sonic boom - 1st March 2012, ~ 8:37 pm, Norefjell, Buskerud, Norway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCmvrkTMZM http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=derurl=translate.google.desl=notl=enu=http://www.bangirommet.no/pages/news/ildkule12.htmlusg=ALkJrhgy_y2uraAIqWRU95u52QF1O54o7g http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/meteorite-fall-in-southern-norway Sole Skog Observatory, Vestby : http://www.allskycam.com/u.php?u=392 http://danielsen.exposuremanager.com/g/20120301 http://voksenlia.net/nytt/2012/ildkule-20120301.mp4 Best regards, Martin Von: MstrEman mstre...@gmail.com An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:19 +0100 Hummm,,, Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball or sonic boom report? Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about meteorite producing events? Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
I think it is very likely that the majority of meteorites are not preceded by fireballs, or not by particularly impressive ones. There is a difference between the well supported assertion that most slow, bright fireballs produce meteorites, and the unsupported assertion that most meteorites derive from parent bodies that produced substantial meteors. (There's no way a stone this size was traveling 1000 kph when it impacted; maybe a third of that at most. Not that the terminal speed is relevant to any details of the meteor event, however.) Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/12/2012 9:44 AM, MstrEman wrote: Hummm,,, Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball or sonic boom report? Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about meteorite producing events? Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
To get a better impression of the meteorite you can watch this TV report: http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=50476 Martin Von: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de An: MstrEman mstre...@gmail.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:00:57 +0100 Here you go, Elton : Meteor with sonic boom - 1st March 2012, ~ 8:37 pm, Norefjell, Buskerud, Norway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCmvrkTMZM http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=derurl=translate.google.desl=notl=enu=http://www.bangirommet.no/pages/news/ildkule12.htmlusg=ALkJrhgy_y2uraAIqWRU95u52QF1O54o7g http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/meteorite-fall-in-southern-norway Sole Skog Observatory, Vestby : http://www.allskycam.com/u.php?u=392 http://danielsen.exposuremanager.com/g/20120301 http://voksenlia.net/nytt/2012/ildkule-20120301.mp4 Best regards, Martin Von: MstrEman mstre...@gmail.com An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:19 +0100 Hummm,,, Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball or sonic boom report? Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about meteorite producing events? Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components
Modern science is no slouch at persecution. Stand on a soap box and speak out against the no-threshold concept for toxins and radiation, statins, global warming (oops - climate change), decreasing polar bear population, or the viability of alternate energy. You'll get plenty of persecution. You won't be tortured to death, but it wont be from lack of desire - it's just because it's not so easy to do any more. Paul Swartz They damned Near tortured Galileo to death for saying the world was not the center Of the universe (and he lived the remainder of his life under house arrest). Religious persecution of scientific recognition of inconvenient facts has always been part of history and continues to this day ... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to MakeLife's Components
At the risk of furthing an off-topic topic...I'll try to steer it back to meteoritic relevence: There is a subtle irony in the 'big' questions discussed within this thread before (no, not irons, although I won't rule it out!)...all we do is re-read books such as Dodd's earlier edition of Meteorites to remember how recently there were no lunars yet, (at that point)and if our highly respected meteoriticists had ruled out possibilities, we'd have been stuck. Personally, if I can't rule something out, I will rule it in as a potential. Put another way, that which science cannot yet explain should be possible. As with all of us, aren't we waiting in extreme excitement to hear of the possibilities with Tissint, for example? (I recall this same feeling when NWA 5400 arrived, and many many others) Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to MakeLife's Components Good points Richard, Michael, (I will apologize in advance for the length of this post; I started writing a couldn't stop) Divine Creation vs Natural Formation. That is the question. That is a VERY large part of why I love meteorites so much. Meteorites have allowed me a look into the universe and answer some very important personal, spiritual, and scientific questions as to the origins of Earth, the planets, and ourselves. Meteorites are keys to unlocking our past, the formation of Earth, the solar system, stars, galaxies, and ultimately the universe itself. The problem with the divine creation (anthropomorphic creator) hypothesis is that it's an assumption of observance. In other words the watchmaker paradox. The universe exists, how did it come to be? Something must have created it. Right? Not necessarily. That my friends is an absolute assumption. And the argument should stop right there, but it doesn't. Believers will argue that something can't come from nothing and non-believers will argue that everything came from what we perceive as nothing. (The Big Bang) Science and non-believers go one step further and say We don't know what happened before the Big Bang. That is intellectual honesty and good science. And this might be offensive to some, and I'm sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained stop and start at I don't know, lets find out. instead of god did it.? Evolution, Panspermia, Transpermia, Abiogenesis, Planetary Science, Astrobiology, Astronomy, Anthropology, Archeology, they all help explain the universe and world around us. Meteorites specifically are absolutely a vital clue to unlocking the secrets of the universe because they (the asteroids and comets that make them) not only are they the very material that formed our planet, every single planet, planetesimal, asteroid, comet, meteoroid, and spec of dust floating around our star was once part of another star before, as are we. It's a cycle, a system, a circular system of formation and destruction, somewhere in between life formed. Why create a creator to explain the unexplainable? Why not instead use science to determine origins rather than speculate on a divine supernatural beginning. Empirical evidenced fact outweighs speculative assumption every time. We are in fact part of nature, not separate from it. We need not transpose an anthropomorphic creatot to explain something we don't yet know. Regardless of whether there is a divine creator, or not, no one can prove it empirically either way. (yet) That's what science is for. If there is, science will find out, if there is not, science will find out. Either way, the truth will only be the truth when we prove it with evidence, not speculative assumption of the observable. Regards, Eric Quoting Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net: Hi Michael and List (a different Richard here!) Contrary to the often mis-conception that 'religion' and 'God' are interchangeable...and considering the 'dangerous' ground upon which a discussion of this sort may be inappropriate for the meteoritical discussion hereallow me this thought: A person of 'faith' may not rule out transpernmia in theory; it simply expands the pie. A 'religious' person tied tether-bound to a strick doctrine may reject such an 'outlandish' notion out-of-hand, as it disrupts the entire reality from which their foundation is built. In short, (in my small and insignificant yet human perspective), it should be rational to allow both transpermia and a perspective of God that trancends all current 'views' of even Christianity, allowing for all three to
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
text only in finnish, but a good pic. howardite? http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat.shtml/2012/03/1510496/pala-meteoriittia-tomahti-norjalaispariskunnan-mokkiin---katso-kuvat pekka s 12.3.2012 19:40, karmaka kirjoitti: To get a better impression of the meteorite you can watch this TV report: http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=50476 Martin Von: karmakakarmaka-meteori...@t-online.de An: MstrEmanmstre...@gmail.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:00:57 +0100 Here you go, Elton : Meteor with sonic boom - 1st March 2012, ~ 8:37 pm, Norefjell, Buskerud, Norway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCmvrkTMZM http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=derurl=translate.google.desl=notl=enu=http://www.bangirommet.no/pages/news/ildkule12.htmlusg=ALkJrhgy_y2uraAIqWRU95u52QF1O54o7g http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/meteorite-fall-in-southern-norway Sole Skog Observatory, Vestby : http://www.allskycam.com/u.php?u=392 http://danielsen.exposuremanager.com/g/20120301 http://voksenlia.net/nytt/2012/ildkule-20120301.mp4 Best regards, Martin Von: MstrEmanmstre...@gmail.com An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:19 +0100 Hummm,,, Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball or sonic boom report? Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about meteorite producing events? Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- --- Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Räsälä FINLAND peka.savolai...@dlc.fi solar.g...@dlc.fi +358 400 818 912 Memeber of IMCA corporation www.imca.cc Member of ANA http://www.coinlink.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components
Eric postulates... And this might be offensive to some, and I'm sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained stop and start at I don't know, lets find out. instead of god did it. Eric, I think the attached article published in the national media today will go a long way toward answering your question. This NASA scientist is described by his fellow workers as an evangelical Christian that insisted on proselytizing at work. http://www.centredaily.com/2012/03/11/3122308/suit-nasa-specialist-axed-over.html Most persons of faith believe they have had revealed to them the entire creation story and aren't interested in anyone trying to change their beliefs. They know, and I believe fear, that to accept any of the science would mean having to strip whole pages out of what they are taught is divine revelation. Respectfully, I suggest you give it up, or take it somewhere else. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: e...@meteoritesusa.com Sent: Mar 11, 2012 9:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to MakeLife's Components Good points Richard, Michael, (I will apologize in advance for the length of this post; I started writing a couldn't stop) Divine Creation vs Natural Formation. That is the question. That is a VERY large part of why I love meteorites so much. Meteorites have allowed me a look into the universe and answer some very important personal, spiritual, and scientific questions as to the origins of Earth, the planets, and ourselves. Meteorites are keys to unlocking our past, the formation of Earth, the solar system, stars, galaxies, and ultimately the universe itself. The problem with the divine creation (anthropomorphic creator) hypothesis is that it's an assumption of observance. In other words the watchmaker paradox. The universe exists, how did it come to be? Something must have created it. Right? Not necessarily. That my friends is an absolute assumption. And the argument should stop right there, but it doesn't. Believers will argue that something can't come from nothing and non-believers will argue that everything came from what we perceive as nothing. (The Big Bang) Science and non-believers go one step further and say We don't know what happened before the Big Bang. That is intellectual honesty and good science. And this might be offensive to some, and I'm sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained stop and start at I don't know, lets find out. instead of god did it.? Evolution, Panspermia, Transpermia, Abiogenesis, Planetary Science, Astrobiology, Astronomy, Anthropology, Archeology, they all help explain the universe and world around us. Meteorites specifically are absolutely a vital clue to unlocking the secrets of the universe because they (the asteroids and comets that make them) not only are they the very material that formed our planet, every single planet, planetesimal, asteroid, comet, meteoroid, and spec of dust floating around our star was once part of another star before, as are we. It's a cycle, a system, a circular system of formation and destruction, somewhere in between life formed. Why create a creator to explain the unexplainable? Why not instead use science to determine origins rather than speculate on a divine supernatural beginning. Empirical evidenced fact outweighs speculative assumption every time. We are in fact part of nature, not separate from it. We need not transpose an anthropomorphic creatot to explain something we don't yet know. Regardless of whether there is a divine creator, or not, no one can prove it empirically either way. (yet) That's what science is for. If there is, science will find out, if there is not, science will find out. Either way, the truth will only be the truth when we prove it with evidence, not speculative assumption of the observable. Regards, Eric Quoting Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net: Hi Michael and List (a different Richard here!) Contrary to the often mis-conception that 'religion' and 'God' are interchangeable...and considering the 'dangerous' ground upon which a discussion of this sort may be inappropriate for the meteoritical discussion hereallow me this thought: A person of 'faith' may not rule out transpernmia in theory; it simply expands the pie. A 'religious' person tied tether-bound to a strick doctrine may reject such an 'outlandish' notion out-of-hand, as
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
Hello Pekka, All, not HOW, probably OC (as was written in last emails). Anyway, check out crust, Howardites should have glossy crust... This piece have typical crust for OC (primary and secondary). All the best Tomasz Jakubowski Managing Editor http://www.meteorites.pwr.wroc.pl/ Dnia 12-03-2012 o godz. 19:43 Pekka Savolainen napisał(a): text only in finnish, but a good pic. howardite? http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat.shtml/2012/03/1510496/pala-meteoriittia-tomahti-norjalaispariskunnan-mokkiin---katso-kuvat pekka s 12.3.2012 19:40, karmaka kirjoitti: To get a better impression of the meteorite you can watch this TV report: http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=50476 Martin Von: karmakakarmaka-meteori...@t-online.de An: MstrEmanmstre...@gmail.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:00:57 +0100 Here you go, Elton : Meteor with sonic boom - 1st March 2012, ~ 8:37 pm, Norefjell, Buskerud, Norway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCmvrkTMZM http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=derurl=translate.google.desl=notl=enu=http://www.bangirommet.no/pages/news/ildkule12.htmlusg=ALkJrhgy_y2uraAIqWRU95u52QF1O54o7g http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/meteorite-fall-in-southern-norway Sole Skog Observatory, Vestby : http://www.allskycam.com/u.php?u=392 http://danielsen.exposuremanager.com/g/20120301 http://voksenlia.net/nytt/2012/ildkule-20120301.mp4 Best regards, Martin Von: MstrEmanmstre...@gmail.com An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:19 +0100 Hummm,,, Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball or sonic boom report? Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about meteorite producing events? Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz fĂźr tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz fĂźr tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- --- Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Räsälä FINLAND peka.savolai...@dlc.fi solar.g...@dlc.fi +358 400 818 912 Memeber of IMCA corporation www.imca.cc Member of ANA http://www.coinlink.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
Yes, thanks, Tomasz, finnish Luotolax (HOW) has quite nice, clossy crust; http://www.somerikko.net/kuvat/met/hlm/hlm_luotolax_1.jpg best, pekka s 12.3.2012 21:05, Tomasz Jakubowski kirjoitti: Hello Pekka, All, not HOW, probably OC (as was written in last emails). Anyway, check out crust, Howardites should have glossy crust... This piece have typical crust for OC (primary and secondary). All the best Tomasz Jakubowski Managing Editor http://www.meteorites.pwr.wroc.pl/ Dnia 12-03-2012 o godz. 19:43 Pekka Savolainen napisał(a): text only in finnish, but a good pic. howardite? http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat.shtml/2012/03/1510496/pala-meteoriittia-tomahti-norjalaispariskunnan-mokkiin---katso-kuvat pekka s 12.3.2012 19:40, karmaka kirjoitti: To get a better impression of the meteorite you can watch this TV report: http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=50476 Martin Von: karmakakarmaka-meteori...@t-online.de An: MstrEmanmstre...@gmail.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:00:57 +0100 Here you go, Elton : Meteor with sonic boom - 1st March 2012, ~ 8:37 pm, Norefjell, Buskerud, Norway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCmvrkTMZM http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=derurl=translate.google.desl=notl=enu=http://www.bangirommet.no/pages/news/ildkule12.htmlusg=ALkJrhgy_y2uraAIqWRU95u52QF1O54o7g http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/meteorite-fall-in-southern-norway Sole Skog Observatory, Vestby : http://www.allskycam.com/u.php?u=392 http://danielsen.exposuremanager.com/g/20120301 http://voksenlia.net/nytt/2012/ildkule-20120301.mp4 Best regards, Martin Von: MstrEmanmstre...@gmail.com An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:19 +0100 Hummm,,, Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball or sonic boom report? Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about meteorite producing events? Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz fĂźr tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz fĂźr tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New bright sungrazing comet about to enter SOHO LASCO field of view
Hi All, Most of you probably haven't heard about this yet, so I thought I'd give you a heads up that the brightest sungrazing comet since Comet Lovejoy last year will soon be entering the SOHO LASCO C3 field of view. It was discovered in SWAN images last week by Vladimir Bezugly, and confirmed by me over the weekend in imagery both from SWAN and STEREO-B. Most are assuming that this is probably a Kreutz family comet, but due to the coarseness of the SWAN data (both spatially and temporally), non-Kreutz orbital solutions are still possible. It will be interesting to see if the comet is bright enough to potentially survive perihelion passage as Comet Lovejoy did. Of course, that will depend a lot on the orbit; for instance, right now I get some orbital solutions that actually intersect the sun late on March 14th. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
hi, luotolax has an incredibly glossy crust and was a perfectly oriented meteorite as wellamong the most spectacularly oriented stones---nay...meteorites generally---i had ever seen (prior to subdivision on the part of a dealer to whom the meteorite had been provided to facilitate an exchange). pristine for ~185 years, i saw luotolax before and after cutting and it was a heartbreak. ultimately snagged a bit and haven't seen this classic mentioned in quite some time. On Mar 12, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Pekka Savolainen wrote: Yes, thanks, Tomasz, finnish Luotolax (HOW) has quite nice, clossy crust; http://www.somerikko.net/kuvat/met/hlm/hlm_luotolax_1.jpg best, pekka s 12.3.2012 21:05, Tomasz Jakubowski kirjoitti: Hello Pekka, All, not HOW, probably OC (as was written in last emails). Anyway, check out crust, Howardites should have glossy crust... This piece have typical crust for OC (primary and secondary). All the best Tomasz Jakubowski Managing Editor http://www.meteorites.pwr.wroc.pl/ Dnia 12-03-2012 o godz. 19:43 Pekka Savolainen napisał(a): text only in finnish, but a good pic. howardite? http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat.shtml/2012/03/1510496/pala-meteoriittia-tomahti-norjalaispariskunnan-mokkiin---katso-kuvat pekka s 12.3.2012 19:40, karmaka kirjoitti: To get a better impression of the meteorite you can watch this TV report: http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=50476 Martin Von: karmakakarmaka-meteori...@t-online.de An: MstrEmanmstre...@gmail.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:00:57 +0100 Here you go, Elton : Meteor with sonic boom - 1st March 2012, ~ 8:37 pm, Norefjell, Buskerud, Norway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCmvrkTMZM http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=derurl=translate.google.desl=notl=enu=http://www.bangirommet.no/pages/news/ildkule12.htmlusg=ALkJrhgy_y2uraAIqWRU95u52QF1O54o7g http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/meteorite-fall-in-southern-norway Sole Skog Observatory, Vestby : http://www.allskycam.com/u.php?u=392 http://danielsen.exposuremanager.com/g/20120301 http://voksenlia.net/nytt/2012/ildkule-20120301.mp4 Best regards, Martin Von: MstrEmanmstre...@gmail.com An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:19 +0100 Hummm,,, Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball or sonic boom report? Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about meteorite producing events? Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz fĂźr tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz fĂźr tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 'Meteorite Man' Rob Elliot on Channel Fife TV
'Meteorite Man' Rob Elliot on Channel Fife TV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06I3xxQD0Jw ''We join Rob Elliot on his hunt for meteorites that fell over the UK in March 2012. Rob is offering a cash award for genuine meteorites and explains how to spot them and how to get in touch with him. The Glass Bullet Production 'Meteorite Men' is now in production and will be appearing on Channel Fife TV.'' Martin Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 'Meteorite Man' Rob Elliot on Channel Fife TV
Note his outstanding meteorite hunting 'cane' at about 2:19. Paul Swartz 'Meteorite Man' Rob Elliot on Channel Fife TV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06I3xxQD0Jw ''We join Rob Elliot on his hunt for meteorites that fell over the UK in March 2012. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components
I promise this is the last on this issue. I always believed religions were created after the first humans began to become aware what the meaning of death really meant. Maybe that's when emotions took a giant leap and evolved into affection and love.The creation of religion eased their grief by believing in a after life for the loss of a loved one or friend. Richard Lipke - Original Message - Eric postulates... And this might be offensive to some, and I'm sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained stop and start at I don't know, lets find out. instead of god did it. Eric, I think the attached article published in the national media today will go a long way toward answering your question. This NASA scientist is described by his fellow workers as an evangelical Christian that insisted on proselytizing at work. http://www.centredaily.com/2012/03/11/3122308/suit-nasa-specialist-axed-over.html Most persons of faith believe they have had revealed to them the entire creation story and aren't interested in anyone trying to change their beliefs. They know, and I believe fear, that to accept any of the science would mean having to strip whole pages out of what they are taught is divine revelation. Respectfully, I suggest you give it up, or take it somewhere else. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: e...@meteoritesusa.com Sent: Mar 11, 2012 9:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components Good points Richard, Michael, (I will apologize in advance for the length of this post; I started writing a couldn't stop) Divine Creation vs Natural Formation. That is the question. That is a VERY large part of why I love meteorites so much. Meteorites have allowed me a look into the universe and answer some very important personal, spiritual, and scientific questions as to the origins of Earth, the planets, and ourselves. Meteorites are keys to unlocking our past, the formation of Earth, the solar system, stars, galaxies, and ultimately the universe itself. The problem with the divine creation (anthropomorphic creator) hypothesis is that it's an assumption of observance. In other words the watchmaker paradox. The universe exists, how did it come to be? Something must have created it. Right? Not necessarily. That my friends is an absolute assumption. And the argument should stop right there, but it doesn't. Believers will argue that something can't come from nothing and non-believers will argue that everything came from what we perceive as nothing. (The Big Bang) Science and non-believers go one step further and say We don't know what happened before the Big Bang. That is intellectual honesty and good science. And this might be offensive to some, and I'm sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained stop and start at I don't know, lets find out. instead of god did it.? Evolution, Panspermia, Transpermia, Abiogenesis, Planetary Science, Astrobiology, Astronomy, Anthropology, Archeology, they all help explain the universe and world around us. Meteorites specifically are absolutely a vital clue to unlocking the secrets of the universe because they (the asteroids and comets that make them) not only are they the very material that formed our planet, every single planet, planetesimal, asteroid, comet, meteoroid, and spec of dust floating around our star was once part of another star before, as are we. It's a cycle, a system, a circular system of formation and destruction, somewhere in between life formed. Why create a creator to explain the unexplainable? Why not instead use science to determine origins rather than speculate on a divine supernatural beginning. Empirical evidenced fact outweighs speculative assumption every time. We are in fact part of nature, not separate from it. We need not transpose an anthropomorphic creatot to explain something we don't yet know. Regardless of whether there is a divine creator, or not, no one can prove it empirically either way. (yet) That's what science is for. If there is, science will find out, if there is not, science will find out. Either way, the truth will only be the truth when we prove it with evidence, not speculative assumption of the observable. Regards, Eric Quoting Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net: Hi Michael and List (a different Richard here!) Contrary to the often mis-conception
[meteorite-list] AD - Awesome Monday Night Auctions Ending!
Dear List Members, I have 18 great Monday Night Special Auctions ending in a few hours. It is definitely worth a look since I am running larger than normal rare and planetary specimens. They are currently priced way below what you will find them for elsewhere for. I also have 54 auctions ending tomorrow night. All of these were started at just 99 cents with no reserve. Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team Lunar Rock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components
Breaking away from invisible men in the sky and back to science.. Amino acids alone make up 60 ppm of Murchison, by weight. PAHs make up 0.3% of its weight. Earth formed with huge quantities of organic molecules. Today’s biosphere has ~ 3 x 1041 C atoms. If the early Earth had this many C atoms all in building block molecules with ~ 10 C atoms each, that’s ~ 3 x 1040 total molecules. Say there are ~ 105 molecules with up to 10 C atoms (uracil, dihydroxyacetone, naphthalene, etc.). That means there are ~ 3 x 1035 copies of each molecule on Earth. The volume of Earth's oceans and land is 1025 cm3. Each thimbleful (cubic centimeter) of ocean had 3 x 1010 cm3 copies of each of these different organic compounds. Each one can bang into each other one in a matter of minutes, potentially making ~ 1010 new combinations. Each day, lightning, solar radiation, volcanic heat, heat from impacts, breaks apart molecules, making more new combinations possible. Mixing in the oceans increased the combinations possible. This went on, day after day after day, for 100 billion days (300 Myr) [Erik] - Original Message - From: Dick Lipke richardli...@comcast.net To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components I promise this is the last on this issue. I always believed religions were created after the first humans began to become aware what the meaning of death really meant. Maybe that's when emotions took a giant leap and evolved into affection and love.The creation of religion eased their grief by believing in a after life for the loss of a loved one or friend. Richard Lipke - Original Message - Eric postulates... And this might be offensive to some, and I'm sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained stop and start at I don't know, lets find out. instead of god did it. Eric, I think the attached article published in the national media today will go a long way toward answering your question. This NASA scientist is described by his fellow workers as an evangelical Christian that insisted on proselytizing at work. http://www.centredaily.com/2012/03/11/3122308/suit-nasa-specialist-axed-over.html Most persons of faith believe they have had revealed to them the entire creation story and aren't interested in anyone trying to change their beliefs. They know, and I believe fear, that to accept any of the science would mean having to strip whole pages out of what they are taught is divine revelation. Respectfully, I suggest you give it up, or take it somewhere else. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: e...@meteoritesusa.com Sent: Mar 11, 2012 9:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components Good points Richard, Michael, (I will apologize in advance for the length of this post; I started writing a couldn't stop) Divine Creation vs Natural Formation. That is the question. That is a VERY large part of why I love meteorites so much. Meteorites have allowed me a look into the universe and answer some very important personal, spiritual, and scientific questions as to the origins of Earth, the planets, and ourselves. Meteorites are keys to unlocking our past, the formation of Earth, the solar system, stars, galaxies, and ultimately the universe itself. The problem with the divine creation (anthropomorphic creator) hypothesis is that it's an assumption of observance. In other words the watchmaker paradox. The universe exists, how did it come to be? Something must have created it. Right? Not necessarily. That my friends is an absolute assumption. And the argument should stop right there, but it doesn't. Believers will argue that something can't come from nothing and non-believers will argue that everything came from what we perceive as nothing. (The Big Bang) Science and non-believers go one step further and say We don't know what happened before the Big Bang. That is intellectual honesty and good science. And this might be offensive to some, and I'm sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained stop and start at I don't know, lets find out. instead of god did it.? Evolution, Panspermia, Transpermia, Abiogenesis, Planetary Science, Astrobiology, Astronomy, Anthropology, Archeology, they all help explain the universe and world around us. Meteorites specifically are
[meteorite-list] NWA 5958 Polished Surface
Hello All, At the request of the new owner of the 3.454g specimen, I polished the very flat side for minimal material loss. Here is the image showing what the inside of this new Ungrouped carbonaceous looks like. http://www.lunarrock.com/NWA5958/nwa5958PolishedSurface1.jpg (Surface area measures 25mm x 18mm) Enjoy! Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay) IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 3 Italia Fireballs 10/12MAR2012
Dear List, 3 Italia Fireballs 10/12MAR2012 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/three-fireballs-over-italia-1012mar2012.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
