Re: [meteorite-list] ID of Moon, Mars Meteorite scam artist
Wonder if this is the same guy? http://www.mugshotsonline.com/florida/sarasota/john-charles-maurer/44335372 Paul G -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:47 PM To: i...@moonmarsrocks.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ID of Moon, Mars Meteorite scam artist Whoever he is, he's not poor. Put that address into Google Earth and check out the result. He lives in an upscale housing development in a huge house with an enclosed pool and a roof full of solar panels. Maybe he bought it from his fraudulent proceeds? ;) -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/7/12, i...@moonmarsrocks.com wrote: Dirk sent me a good suggestion, to determine the true identification of the Moon, Mars Meteorite scam artist. For those that want it, as follows: EBAY Seller: steelhorse1994, aka spaceterrain4sale; John and Angela Maurer, 1453 Sorento Circle, West Mellbourne Fl 32904 This is provided via paypal and the receipt for the sample I obtained in order to have Dr. Korotev perform his analysis. Best regards, Daniel i...@moonmarsrocks.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5054 - Release Date: 06/07/12 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill Update - TKW now 478.09g
Hi List, A minor update to the official Sutter's Mill webpage today. SM65 is a new 11.6g specimen that has been found and reported. Interestingly, the SM numbers make a big jump from SM54 to SM65. So there are apparently more finds which haven't been listed on the site yet. The unofficial TKW is now 478.09g consisting of 58 finds. Official page - http://asima.seti.org/sm/ Unofficial page - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/lotus Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Our Night Sky in the Future (Kinda OT)
Hi Chris and List, Great points. Never thought of that. By then, the oceans will have boiled off and instead of big bodies of water, we'll have endless "deserts" of salt dunes. It won't be an Earth I'd want to live on. Hopefully by then we'll have self-sustaining colonies on other worlds. Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/7/12, Chris Peterson wrote: > These are simulations of how the night sky will appear > _photographically_, not visually. Andromeda is about the same brightness > as the Milky Way, and it won't get any brighter just because it's > closer. The night sky will look like it has two Milky Way bands, which > intersect. We'll see a sort of Y-shaped faint gray structure in the sky, > that won't have much impact on darkness. > > What will have a bigger impact will be our Sun, well on the way to being > a red giant, expanded out nearly to Earth's orbit. Not to mention that > all water, and all life, will have been long since boiled or burned off > the surface! > > Chris > > *** > Chris L Peterson > Cloudbait Observatory > http://www.cloudbait.com > > On 6/7/2012 5:51 PM, David Hardy wrote: >> http://www.petapixel.com/2012/06/01/what-photos-of-the-night-sky-will-look-like-over-the-next-7-billion-years/ >> >> >> David H > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sale Ad-Moapa Valley CM1 small pieces for sale
Hi List, I have some small pieces of Moapa Valley CM1 for sale. These are fragments from a recent slice that was cut. As you know Moapa Valley is the only CM1 available for sale to the Public. TKW 699 grams. Here is a link to the sale page. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Moapa_Valley_Sale_page_1_2.html Here is the link to the classification. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Moapa_Valley_Sale_page_1.html Thanks, Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Our Night Sky in the Future (Kinda OT)
These are simulations of how the night sky will appear _photographically_, not visually. Andromeda is about the same brightness as the Milky Way, and it won't get any brighter just because it's closer. The night sky will look like it has two Milky Way bands, which intersect. We'll see a sort of Y-shaped faint gray structure in the sky, that won't have much impact on darkness. What will have a bigger impact will be our Sun, well on the way to being a red giant, expanded out nearly to Earth's orbit. Not to mention that all water, and all life, will have been long since boiled or burned off the surface! Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 6/7/2012 5:51 PM, David Hardy wrote: http://www.petapixel.com/2012/06/01/what-photos-of-the-night-sky-will-look-like-over-the-next-7-billion-years/ David H __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ID of Moon, Mars Meteorite scam artist
Whoever he is, he's not poor. Put that address into Google Earth and check out the result. He lives in an upscale housing development in a huge house with an enclosed pool and a roof full of solar panels. Maybe he bought it from his fraudulent proceeds? ;) -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/7/12, i...@moonmarsrocks.com wrote: > Dirk sent me a good suggestion, to determine the true identification of > the Moon, Mars Meteorite scam artist. > > For those that want it, as follows: > > EBAY Seller: steelhorse1994, aka spaceterrain4sale; John and Angela > Maurer, 1453 Sorento Circle, West Mellbourne Fl 32904 > > This is provided via paypal and the receipt for the sample I obtained in > order to have Dr. Korotev perform his analysis. > > Best regards, > > Daniel > i...@moonmarsrocks.com > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Our Night Sky in the Future (Kinda OT)
Wow, talk about light pollution! That will be a staggering thing to witness - if anyone is left on Earth to see it. -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/7/12, David Hardy wrote: > http://www.petapixel.com/2012/06/01/what-photos-of-the-night-sky-will-look-like-over-the-next-7-billion-years/ > > David H > __ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Our Night Sky in the Future (Kinda OT)
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/06/01/what-photos-of-the-night-sky-will-look-like-over-the-next-7-billion-years/ David H __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Brief Guide to Earth's best Impact Craters
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/121029 David H __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake moon and mars meteorite NWA's
Hi Rob, Thanks for your note. One of the problems with the steelhorse1994 fakes is the guy was for the most part targeting lower end gift shoppers by pricing auctions at a penny to start and ending up selling 25mg rocks in a nice display for an average of $17. When I did the statistics on his average sale price, I knew something was wrong. He couldn't have sold a 1000 displays and stayed in business with that kind of pricing. On a good day, the cost of just the meteorite sample that size exceeds $17. Then add in ebay fees, paypal fees, material costs, shipping costs, etc. It didn't add up, unless of course he was grabbing granite rocks from his backyard! The other side of this ripoff coin is this: I had a customer tell me recently that she and her son were at Knots Berry Farm last week where they saw "genuine" moon & mars rock displays similar to the ones I sell, and they wanted $400 for the pair! She and her 8 year old were thrilled to find mine on ebay and a $350 difference. Your point on being careful about what and from whom you buy is well taken, especially at the collector level where bigger pieces and bigger prices are involved. But, the average Jane and Joe gift shoppers were perfect foils for this fraud, which is why we all have to be diligent about policing what we see around us on in our marketplace. Best regards, Daniel Daniel Noyes i...@moonmarsrocks.com www.moonmarsrocks.com Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake moon and mars meteorite NWA's From: Rob McCafferty Date: Thu, June 07, 2012 3:20 pm To: i...@moonmarsrocks.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Hi list I would like to thank everyone for this informative thread. I have not bought any lunar/martian meteorites for quite a few years now but as the owner of a decent collection of planetaries, bought from a small number reputable dealers whom you will all know well that i(we) trust implicitly, it's nice to be kept up to date on the frauds out there. I display my modest collection frequently and often loan them out to museums and i'm often asked the usual questions, "how do i know they're real" and "can anyone buy them". My advice has always been to do you're homework thoroughly before taking any chances since you are paying a lot of money for not a lot of material. Following this thread, I now know to give explicit warnings to people and what to watch for. So many thanks Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A FEW MORE SUTTER'S MILL FRAGMENTS FOR SALE!
Hi all, ALL THESE are CRUSTED Sutter's Mill fragments! Most of these specimens came from meteorites that I purchased in Coloma, California. They were then broken so that ASU (or other University) could peer into the interior of the stone - without pesky fusion crust in the way. The result is that ALL of the fragments I have for sale have fusion crust - as scientists don't often like to look at the exterior of a newly fallen meteorite. Each crusted fragment will be shipped in a small specimen jar and will include a card from me with the SM# so that you'll know the exact meteorite and find local your micro came from! http://www.mrmeteorite.com/sutterforsale.htm THIS IS IT! Since I returned last week no more have been found so this may be your last chance to own something this special. BTW- Ebay ending NOW! http://www.ebay.com/sch/mr-meteorite/m.html?item=221043813741&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649&_trksid=p4340.l2562 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: www.MrMeteorite.com Articles: www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Bolide Over Lebanon, Cyprus and Turkey 7JUN2012
I'll go to Cyprus :-) Been there several times to visit a cousin who lives in SW area near Paphos. Great birdwatching and darker skies than here. Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake moon and mars meteorite NWA's
Hi list I would like to thank everyone for this informative thread. I have not bought any lunar/martian meteorites for quite a few years now but as the owner of a decent collection of planetaries, bought from a small number reputable dealers whom you will all know well that i(we) trust implicitly, it's nice to be kept up to date on the frauds out there. I display my modest collection frequently and often loan them out to museums and i'm often asked the usual questions, "how do i know they're real" and "can anyone buy them". My advice has always been to do you're homework thoroughly before taking any chances since you are paying a lot of money for not a lot of material. Following this thread, I now know to give explicit warnings to people and what to watch for. So many thanks Rob --- On Thu, 7/6/12, i...@moonmarsrocks.com wrote: > From: i...@moonmarsrocks.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake moon and mars meteorite NWA's > To: "Michael Gilmer" > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, 7 June, 2012, 20:07 > Hi Mike and list, > > As steelhorse1994 & spaceterrain4sale, he used Lunar NWA > 4881, Lunar NWA > 4734 & Martian NWA 4925. They were always packaged with > the NWA lettered > on the front and American Meteorite Collectors Society > called out on the > flip side. He used what I would call "commonly seen" moon or > mars images > on the front AND back side. > > Mike is right, some people don't want to think they were > capable of > being scammed and respond negatively to the messenger. Like > myself, many > of you were no doubt fascinated with space stuff as a kid, > and still > are, and he sold a lot of these fakes during the 2011 > Holiday season. No > doubt, there are a lot of little kids out there who don't > have real > lunar or martian rocks. This is the kind of thing that makes > me really > p**sed off and motivated me in this whole matter. He was > clever, as they > usually are, in that he built up a top seller rating on > ebay, and still > has it BTW! If you saw the recent episode of Pawn Stars, not > all "silver > bars" are pure inside. Those silver bars he is selling now > may be > "filled" with something not so precious. > > And, yes, we need to be on the lookout for those displays > resurfacing > from time to time. It is even possible he will repackage > again, under a > new ebay username. Since they are fake, he could just change > the NWA's > with a simple google search. > > Not to worry, Mike. Since I sell legitimate displays on and > off ebay, I > am ever vigilant on a weekly basis in observing any lunar or > martian > material being sold on ebay. > > I have to say Dr. Korotev was really accomodating, and for a > person of > his stature to help out, that was fantastic. He gets a lot > of email from > people with meteor-wrongs who think they have struck it > rich, and he was > probably intrigue when I wrote him with the bizarro version > that I was > convinced I had a fake... > > Best regards, > > Daniel > > Daniel Noyes > i...@moonmarsrocks.com > www.moonmarsrocks.com > > > > Original Message > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay victims of fake moon and > mars > meteorite scam > From: Michael Gilmer > Date: Thu, June 07, 2012 10:56 am > To: i...@moonmarsrocks.com > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Hi Daniel and List, > > I really feel bad for the buyers of these bogus planetaries. > Things > like this damage the integrity of the entire market. In the > distant > past, I used to contact sellers and buyers of questionable > specimens, > but I stopped doing it long ago. First, I hate being the > bearer of > ill tidings. Secondly, people like to shoot the messenger > and more > than once I received hostile responses. > > Now that Daniel mentions it, I do recall seeing those > "titles" for > lunar real estate for sale on eBay. I had no idea it was the > same > scammer who ended up selling the fake planetaries. The > phrase "buyer > beware" takes on all new meaning when shopping eBay. eBay is > not > going to bend over backwards to police their own marketplace > because > it's not in their financial best interests. They receive > revenue in > form of listing and final value fees for every item sold, > regardless > of whether it is genuine or not. And they are not going to > willingly > reduce their own revenue in the name of integrity. Integrity > in the > corporate world went out the window back in the 1980's and > it hasn't > been seen since. The only reason they have stricter controls > in place > for gemstones, precious metals, Tiffany items, etc, is > because those > collectibles have larger collector demographics which are > very > litigious. Under the threat of lawsuits, they have tightened > their > controls over certain collectibles and commodities. We will > not see > the same for meteorites because we are a small (by > comparison) niche > market. > > But, be careful what you wish for. If
[meteorite-list] NASA Hosts Teleconference About Rover En Route To Mars Landing
June 7, 2012 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-6278 guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov MEDIA ADVISORY: M12-108 NASA HOSTS TELECONFERENCE ABOUT ROVER EN ROUTE TO MARS LANDING WASHINGTON -- NASA will host a media teleconference at noon EDT, June 11, to provide a status update on the Aug. 5, 2012, landing of the most advanced rover ever to be sent to Mars. NASA's Curiosity rover, carried by the Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) spacecraft, will land near the Martian equator at approximately 10:31 p.m. PDT, Aug. 5, (1:31 a.m. EDT, Aug. 6). Panelists include: -- Dave Lavery, MSL program executive, NASA Headquarters, Washington -- Michael Meyer, lead scientist, Mars Exploration Program, NASA Headquarters -- Pete Theisinger, MSL project manager, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. -- John Grotzinger, MSL project scientist, California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif. For dial-in information, reporters must e-mail their name, media affiliation and telephone number to Dwayne Brown at dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov by 11:30 a.m. EDT, June 11. Audio of the event will be streamed live online at: http://www.nasa.gov/newsaudio The public can follow the mission on Facebook and Twitter at: http://www.facebook.com/marscuriosity http://www.twitter.com/marscuriosity For more information about the mission, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/msl -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Crater Shows Evidence For Climate Evolution (Mars Express)
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMD285XX2H_index_0.html Mars crater shows evidence for climate evolution European Space Agency 7 June 2012 ESA's Mars Express has provided images of a remarkable crater on Mars that may show evidence that the planet underwent significant periodic fluctuations in its climate due to changes in its rotation axis. On 19 June 2011, Mars Express pointed its high-resolution stereo camera at the Arabia Terra region of Mars, imaging the Danielson and Kalocsa craters. Danielson crater is named after the late George E Danielson, who was instrumental in the development of many spacecraft cameras flown to Mars. Seen to the right (north) in the image, it is the larger crater, roughly 60 km across. Kalocsa crater lies in the centre of the image and is smaller, about 33 km in diameter and a kilometre shallower than Danielson. It is named after a town in Hungary famed for its astronomical observatory. [Image] Danielson and Kalocsa craters context Danielson crater, like many in the Arabia Terra region, is filled with layered sediments, which in this instance have been heavily eroded over time. Within the crater are peculiarly layered buttes, known as yardangs. Yardangs are streamlined hills carved from bedrock or any consolidated or semi-consolidated material by abrasive dust and sand particles carried in the wind. They are seen on Earth in desert regions, with notable examples in North Africa, Central Asia and Arizona in the United States. [Image] Danielson and Kalocsa context In the case of Danielson crater, it is believed that sediments were cemented by water, possibly from an ancient deep groundwater reservoir, before being eroded by the wind. The orientation of the yardangs leads scientists to theorise that strong north-northeasterly winds (from the lower right in the image) both deposited the original sediments and then caused their subsequent erosion in a later drier period of martian history. A 30 km-long field of darker dunes can be seen bisecting the yardangs and is thought to have formed at a later epoch. [Image] Danielson and Kalocsa topography The crater floor of Danielson shows evidence for a series of alternating sedimentary layers with roughly uniform thickness and separation. Some scientists believe that this indicates periodic fluctuations in the climate of Mars, triggered by regular changes in the planet's axis of rotation. The different layers would have been laid down during different epochs. By marked contrast, Kalocsa crater shows a completely different topography. Here, no layered sediments are seen. This is thought to be due to the higher altitude of its floor, with the crater not tapping in to the suspected underlying ancient water reservoir. Another hypothesis is that this crater is younger than its neighbour, created when water was not present anymore. [Image] Danielson and Kalocsa 3D anaglyph __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay victims of fake moon and mars meteorite scam
Far from an expert here and a very small fry as a collector but two things: 1. The few times I bought meteorites were from established, honest dealers (bought one from Mike Farmer for instance). It never ceases to amaze me how gullible people can be, not that it excuses the scammers. 2. Since eBay won't budge, how about going media ? CNN, various national newspapers, etc. Perhaps eBay can be embarassed to do the right thing however reluctantly... Andre From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] on behalf of i...@moonmarsrocks.com [i...@moonmarsrocks.com] Sent: June 7, 2012 11:46 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay victims of fake moon and mars meteorite scam I like Shawn's idea of some kind of coordinated effort to contact all the victims of steelhorse1994's scam. This can be done by going to the flake's ebay feedback list where the buyer username and what they bought is clearly indicated. I believe Ebay has an anti-spam trigger that limits multiple messages to 10 or so per day per user. As I indicated before, ebay has no interest whatsoever in reaching out to the victims of this injustice. In fact they did not boot him completely off ebay, he is still selling other items like silver bars (are they real, who knows?). People should contact ebay and demand he be removed altogether. Do you think they will listen? His last rock sales were the first week of May so the bulk of his over 1000 sales are past the 45 day ebay protection window. Some of the victims may be able to get paypal or their credit card company to do something. By the way, most of the time he was starting the sales at a 1 penny auction and ending at very low prices relative to the large size of the rock (the one I got was at minimum 20-25 mg), which also was a tip off to me. More specifics: steelhorse1994 sold his fake moon and mars displays from about October 2011 to early May 2012. However, as best I can tell for about a year before that (starting in October 2010 to Oct. 2011) under a DIFFERENT username: "spaceterrain4sale" he was selling them. He still has an ebay store but no items under that name and the feedback can be viewed. And yes, at that time he was also selling deed titles to land on the moon and mars and that dates back to Feb 2010. My theory is he got in hot water with ebay about the deed title thing in Oct 2011 and that's why he switched names and then only sold the rocks. It's so despicable! I had already tried to get ebay to kick the guy off back in March based on the bogus American Meteorite Collectors Society thing on his displays, but they did not act. So, a lot of thanks go out to Dr. Korotev who was willing to take the time to analyze the rock I sent him and provide the hard science evidence. Best regards, Daniel Daniel Noyes i...@moonmarsrocks.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Bolide Over Lebanon, Cyprus and Turkey 7JUN2012
Any volunteers to go hunt on the ground in Lebanon? ;) Don't forget your Kevlar vest. -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/7/12, drtanuki wrote: > Dear List, Site and WWW activity indicates a Possible Bolide Over Lebanon, > Cyprus and Turkey 7JUN2012. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2012/06/mbiq-detects-lebanon-turkey-cyprus.html > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Possible Bolide Over Lebanon, Cyprus and Turkey 7JUN2012
Dear List, Site and WWW activity indicates a Possible Bolide Over Lebanon, Cyprus and Turkey 7JUN2012. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2012/06/mbiq-detects-lebanon-turkey-cyprus.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake moon and mars meteorite NWA's
Hi Mike and list, As steelhorse1994 & spaceterrain4sale, he used Lunar NWA 4881, Lunar NWA 4734 & Martian NWA 4925. They were always packaged with the NWA lettered on the front and American Meteorite Collectors Society called out on the flip side. He used what I would call "commonly seen" moon or mars images on the front AND back side. Mike is right, some people don't want to think they were capable of being scammed and respond negatively to the messenger. Like myself, many of you were no doubt fascinated with space stuff as a kid, and still are, and he sold a lot of these fakes during the 2011 Holiday season. No doubt, there are a lot of little kids out there who don't have real lunar or martian rocks. This is the kind of thing that makes me really p**sed off and motivated me in this whole matter. He was clever, as they usually are, in that he built up a top seller rating on ebay, and still has it BTW! If you saw the recent episode of Pawn Stars, not all "silver bars" are pure inside. Those silver bars he is selling now may be "filled" with something not so precious. And, yes, we need to be on the lookout for those displays resurfacing from time to time. It is even possible he will repackage again, under a new ebay username. Since they are fake, he could just change the NWA's with a simple google search. Not to worry, Mike. Since I sell legitimate displays on and off ebay, I am ever vigilant on a weekly basis in observing any lunar or martian material being sold on ebay. I have to say Dr. Korotev was really accomodating, and for a person of his stature to help out, that was fantastic. He gets a lot of email from people with meteor-wrongs who think they have struck it rich, and he was probably intrigue when I wrote him with the bizarro version that I was convinced I had a fake... Best regards, Daniel Daniel Noyes i...@moonmarsrocks.com www.moonmarsrocks.com Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay victims of fake moon and mars meteorite scam From: Michael Gilmer Date: Thu, June 07, 2012 10:56 am To: i...@moonmarsrocks.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Hi Daniel and List, I really feel bad for the buyers of these bogus planetaries. Things like this damage the integrity of the entire market. In the distant past, I used to contact sellers and buyers of questionable specimens, but I stopped doing it long ago. First, I hate being the bearer of ill tidings. Secondly, people like to shoot the messenger and more than once I received hostile responses. Now that Daniel mentions it, I do recall seeing those "titles" for lunar real estate for sale on eBay. I had no idea it was the same scammer who ended up selling the fake planetaries. The phrase "buyer beware" takes on all new meaning when shopping eBay. eBay is not going to bend over backwards to police their own marketplace because it's not in their financial best interests. They receive revenue in form of listing and final value fees for every item sold, regardless of whether it is genuine or not. And they are not going to willingly reduce their own revenue in the name of integrity. Integrity in the corporate world went out the window back in the 1980's and it hasn't been seen since. The only reason they have stricter controls in place for gemstones, precious metals, Tiffany items, etc, is because those collectibles have larger collector demographics which are very litigious. Under the threat of lawsuits, they have tightened their controls over certain collectibles and commodities. We will not see the same for meteorites because we are a small (by comparison) niche market. But, be careful what you wish for. If eBay were to enact tighter controls over meteorite listings, it could be a huge hassle for many legitimate sellers. Do we really want corporate stuffed-suits and bureaucrats sticking their noses into the meteorite market? That would be a double-edged sword and once that Pandora's box is opened, there is no closing it. Is that enough cliches in one paragraph for everyone? LOL. >From an ethical standpoint, the best we can do is to mitigate the damage that has been done by this bogus planetary affair. We can put all of this out here on the record for all to see. All it takes is a simple Google search (or Bing) to reveal the truth. Also, we must try to remove these bogus specimens from the market as we encounter them. The danger here is that someone will remove the bogus specimens from their easily-identified containers and sell them in another form where they are less easily recognized. For the record (perhaps Daniel can help answer this), what NWA numbers are "tainted" by these bogus displays? Luckily, the scammer appears to have limited himself to certain NWA numbered Lunars and Martians. These numbers must be treated with extra scrutiny from now on, until these specimens are removed from the market. Again, kudos to Daniel for doing the sleuth-work and Dr. Korotev for donating his expertis
[meteorite-list] Microscope camera
I looking to buy in the next couple of months a microscope very similar to this package http://store.amscope.com/sm-4tpz-frl-3m.html from AMScope. Was wondering if the 3M camera that came with the package was appropriate for viewing specimens (no thin slices yet). My desire is to capture hi-res details of certain specimens and post them online (low res thumbnail and hi-res image). Thanks, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay victims of fake moon and mars meteorite scam
Hi Daniel and List, I really feel bad for the buyers of these bogus planetaries. Things like this damage the integrity of the entire market. In the distant past, I used to contact sellers and buyers of questionable specimens, but I stopped doing it long ago. First, I hate being the bearer of ill tidings. Secondly, people like to shoot the messenger and more than once I received hostile responses. Now that Daniel mentions it, I do recall seeing those "titles" for lunar real estate for sale on eBay. I had no idea it was the same scammer who ended up selling the fake planetaries. The phrase "buyer beware" takes on all new meaning when shopping eBay. eBay is not going to bend over backwards to police their own marketplace because it's not in their financial best interests. They receive revenue in form of listing and final value fees for every item sold, regardless of whether it is genuine or not. And they are not going to willingly reduce their own revenue in the name of integrity. Integrity in the corporate world went out the window back in the 1980's and it hasn't been seen since. The only reason they have stricter controls in place for gemstones, precious metals, Tiffany items, etc, is because those collectibles have larger collector demographics which are very litigious. Under the threat of lawsuits, they have tightened their controls over certain collectibles and commodities. We will not see the same for meteorites because we are a small (by comparison) niche market. But, be careful what you wish for. If eBay were to enact tighter controls over meteorite listings, it could be a huge hassle for many legitimate sellers. Do we really want corporate stuffed-suits and bureaucrats sticking their noses into the meteorite market? That would be a double-edged sword and once that Pandora's box is opened, there is no closing it. Is that enough cliches in one paragraph for everyone? LOL. >From an ethical standpoint, the best we can do is to mitigate the damage that has been done by this bogus planetary affair. We can put all of this out here on the record for all to see. All it takes is a simple Google search (or Bing) to reveal the truth. Also, we must try to remove these bogus specimens from the market as we encounter them. The danger here is that someone will remove the bogus specimens from their easily-identified containers and sell them in another form where they are less easily recognized. For the record (perhaps Daniel can help answer this), what NWA numbers are "tainted" by these bogus displays? Luckily, the scammer appears to have limited himself to certain NWA numbered Lunars and Martians. These numbers must be treated with extra scrutiny from now on, until these specimens are removed from the market. Again, kudos to Daniel for doing the sleuth-work and Dr. Korotev for donating his expertise. Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/7/12, i...@moonmarsrocks.com wrote: > I like Shawn's idea of some kind of coordinated effort to contact all > the victims of steelhorse1994's scam. This can be done by going to the > flake's ebay feedback list where the buyer username and what they bought > is clearly indicated. I believe Ebay has an anti-spam trigger that > limits multiple messages to 10 or so per day per user. As I indicated > before, ebay has no interest whatsoever in reaching out to the victims > of this injustice. In fact they did not boot him completely off ebay, he > is still selling other items like silver bars (are they real, who > knows?). People should contact ebay and demand he be removed altogether. > Do you think they will listen? His last rock sales were the first week > of May so the bulk of his over 1000 sales are past the 45 day ebay > protection window. Some of the victims may be able to get paypal or > their credit card company to do something. By the way, most of the time > he was starting the sales at a 1 penny auction and ending at very low > prices relative to the large size of the rock (the one I got was at > minimum 20-25 mg), which also was a tip off to me. > > More specifics: steelhorse1994 sold his fake moon and mars displays from > about October 2011 to early May 2012. However, as best I can tell for > about a year before that (starting in October 2010 to Oct. 2011) under a > DIFFERENT username: "spaceterrain4sale" he was selling them. He still > has an ebay store but no items under that name and the feedback can be > viewed. And yes, at that time he was also selling deed titles to land on > the moon and mars and that dates back to Feb 2010. My theory is he got > in hot water with ebay about the deed title thing in Oct 2011 and that's > wh
[meteorite-list] Odd Meteorwrongs
So, what the heck is it and where can I get some? Paul Swartz > Here's a good one. The outside looked like chert at a glance but the > interior/face sure doesn't. > > > > http://s1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee516/Billkies/Another Odd Rock/ > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ID of Moon, Mars Meteorite scam artist
Dirk sent me a good suggestion, to determine the true identification of the Moon, Mars Meteorite scam artist. For those that want it, as follows: EBAY Seller: steelhorse1994, aka spaceterrain4sale; John and Angela Maurer, 1453 Sorento Circle, West Mellbourne Fl 32904 This is provided via paypal and the receipt for the sample I obtained in order to have Dr. Korotev perform his analysis. Best regards, Daniel i...@moonmarsrocks.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay victims of fake moon and mars meteorite scam
I like Shawn's idea of some kind of coordinated effort to contact all the victims of steelhorse1994's scam. This can be done by going to the flake's ebay feedback list where the buyer username and what they bought is clearly indicated. I believe Ebay has an anti-spam trigger that limits multiple messages to 10 or so per day per user. As I indicated before, ebay has no interest whatsoever in reaching out to the victims of this injustice. In fact they did not boot him completely off ebay, he is still selling other items like silver bars (are they real, who knows?). People should contact ebay and demand he be removed altogether. Do you think they will listen? His last rock sales were the first week of May so the bulk of his over 1000 sales are past the 45 day ebay protection window. Some of the victims may be able to get paypal or their credit card company to do something. By the way, most of the time he was starting the sales at a 1 penny auction and ending at very low prices relative to the large size of the rock (the one I got was at minimum 20-25 mg), which also was a tip off to me. More specifics: steelhorse1994 sold his fake moon and mars displays from about October 2011 to early May 2012. However, as best I can tell for about a year before that (starting in October 2010 to Oct. 2011) under a DIFFERENT username: "spaceterrain4sale" he was selling them. He still has an ebay store but no items under that name and the feedback can be viewed. And yes, at that time he was also selling deed titles to land on the moon and mars and that dates back to Feb 2010. My theory is he got in hot water with ebay about the deed title thing in Oct 2011 and that's why he switched names and then only sold the rocks. It's so despicable! I had already tried to get ebay to kick the guy off back in March based on the bogus American Meteorite Collectors Society thing on his displays, but they did not act. So, a lot of thanks go out to Dr. Korotev who was willing to take the time to analyze the rock I sent him and provide the hard science evidence. Best regards, Daniel Daniel Noyes i...@moonmarsrocks.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mysterious radiation burst recorded in tree rings (774–775 AD)
Cosmic rays showered Earth 1230 years ago, but where from? Los Angeles Times, June 4, 2012 http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-cosmic-ray-increase-20120604,0,6401794.story?track=rss Mysterious radiation burst recorded in tree rings (Spike in carbon-14 levels indicates a massive cosmic event — but supernovae and solar flares ruled out.) by Richard A. Lovett, June 2, 2012 http://www.nature.com/news/mysterious-radiation-burst-recorded-in-tree-rings-1.10768 The paper is: Miyake, F., K. Nagaya, K. Masuda, and T. Nakamura, 2012, A signature of cosmic-ray increase in ad 774–775 from tree rings in Japan. Nature. Published online June 3, 2012. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11123.html Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 2373 Contributed by: Arlene Schlazer http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Some great special Iron Meteorites
Dear List, i have listed on ebay a few special and interesting Iron Meteorites. NWA 6165 - last available Full Slice of this low 29g TKW iron http://www.ebay.com/itm/370620349954?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 968 - very rare silicated Iron - 7.0g perfect etched Endcut http://www.ebay.com/itm/370620485257?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 5289 - MAIN MASS of 48.1g http://www.ebay.com/itm/370620491434?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 1817 - very nice 15.7g etched Full Slice of a Iron Nodule from this interesting Mesosidrite http://www.ebay.com/itm/230804664763?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 2428 - very special recrystallized Plessitic Octahedrite - 14.6g Slice http://www.ebay.com/itm/370620488867?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 849 - perfect etched 26.9g slice with great Neumann lines http://www.ebay.com/itm/230804657029?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 3322 - very rare Medium Octahedrite from IAB-complex - great recrystallized rim arround this 14.6g Full Slice http://www.ebay.com/itm/370620498786?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 2924 - large perfect etched half Iron Nodule 32.1g !! http://www.ebay.com/itm/230804649219?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 5311 - perfect etched slice of a Iron Nodule from this Mesosiderite http://www.ebay.com/itm/370620494779?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 5311 - also a small perfect etched slice of a Iron Nodule from this Mesosiderite http://www.ebay.com/itm/370620495464?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 5311 - and a mirror polished Endcut of a Iron Nodule from this Mesosiderite http://www.ebay.com/itm/370620496716?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 6164 - large 45.7g perfect etched Full Slice with inclusions - last available slice!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/370617862716?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 1430 - large perfect etched 242g Slice http://www.ebay.com/itm/370617869872?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 1878 - very nice 12.2g etched Slice with yellow silicate inclusions http://www.ebay.com/itm/230799970872?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 NWA 6716 - the great spectakular recrystallized IIE iron - last available 14.1g Full slice with special inclusion !! http://www.ebay.com/itm/230799967500?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 Bur-Abor - large perfect etched 90.9g Endcut of this rare Kenya - Africa Iron http://www.ebay.com/itm/370606314894?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 Gan Gan - large 100.1g Slice with a large interesting inclusion !! http://www.ebay.com/itm/23071369?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 Pedernales - nice 17.6g Slice of this very rare and low 691g TKW Texas USA iron http://www.ebay.com/itm/370534908671?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 Squaw Creek - perfect etched 41.1g Slice http://www.ebay.com/itm/230682404628?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 Sikhote Alin - nice oriented 86g Individual with a impact drop on the back side !! http://www.ebay.com/itm/370562373329?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 All my other offers of nice Achondrites, Chondrites and Carbonaceous material you can find in my ebay store http://stores.ebay.com/Mirko-Graul-Meteorite?_trksid=p4340.l2563 Thanks for looking and best regards to all, Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
