[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Dronino Contributed by: Arlene Schlazer http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fragments Found From Russia Meteor Blast
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/remnants-found-from-russia-meteor-blast/story-e6frg6so-1226580487809 Remnants found from Russia meteor blast AFP February 18, 2013 SCIENTISTS have discovered fragments of the meteor that spectacularly plunged over Russia's Ural Mountains creating a shockwave that injured 1,200 people and damaged thousands of homes, RIA Novosti reported. The giant piece of space rock streaked over the city of Chelyabinsk in central Russia on Friday with the force of 30 of the nuclear bombs dropped on the Japanese city of Hiroshima during World War II. It exploded a few dozen kilometres above Earth but its pieces were widely believed to have scattered over large swathes of the industrial region. Recovery workers scouring a small lake where at least some of the fragments were believed to have fallen were unable to discover anything in their initial search. But members of the Russian Academy of Sciences that conducted chemical tests on some unusual rocks on Sunday said the pieces had come from outer space. "We confirm that the particles of a substance found by our expedition near Lake Chebarkul really do have the composition of a meteorite," RIA Novsosti quoted Russian Academy of Sciences member Viktor Grokhovsky as saying late Sunday. Grokhovsky's Urals Federal University separately posted a statement on its website on Monday that featured a photograph of a person holding a tiny piece of porous black rock between his index finger and thumb. "This meteorite belongs to the class of regular chondrites," the university statement said. Grokhovsky said the rock in question was composed in part of metallic iron as well as chrysolite and sulfite. Its iron content was estimated at 10 per cent. "Most likely, (the find) will be called Meteorite Chebarkul," the Russian university said. The meteor's shockwave blew out the windows of nearly 5,000 buildings and left 40 people -- including three children -- recovering in hospital with cuts and more serious injuries. About 24,000 emergency workers and volunteers were busy replacing smashed windows over the weekend in time for the resumption of school and work. But the elusive meteorites -- meteor fragments that have hit Earth -- have generated interest as well. Russian space debris hunters have posted ads on websites offering as much as $10,000 for an authentic piece of the latest space rock to hit the planet. Chelyabinsk authorities responded by cordoning off the area around the lake and not allowing any media or independent researchers hunting for meteorites near the hole that developed in its thick sheet of ice. Grokhovsky said the tiny rock's find came in the snow not far away from the lake. He also expressed confidence that a much larger meteorite was buried in its waters. The lake "is still cordoned off, but it is quite clear that a meteorite is buried there," the scientist said. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fragments found in Russia's Urals region
The BBC article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21494963 links to a Russian article: http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130217/179531203/Meteorite-Fragments-Found-in-Icy-Urals-Lake---Scientists.html "We have just completed the study, we confirm that the particulate matters, found by our expedition in the area of Lake Chebarkul indeed have meteorite nature," Viktor Grohovsky of the Urals Federal University said. "This meteorite is an ordinary chondrite, it is a stony meteorite which contains some 10 percent of iron. It is most likely to be named Chebarkul meteorite," Grohovsky said. - Robin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Florida Meteor 17FEB2013
List, Florida Meteor 17FEB2013 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/02/mbiq-detects-florida-meteor-17feb2013.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite fragments found in Russia's Urals region
Article says ordinary Chondrite. http://bbc.in/XUMnkY Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's
Hi Mendy, I can give you one perfect example (with reasonable certainty) exactly what Alan stated where "certainty is lower". Pairing is or can be much more involved than one might think, frm what I've learned. So I like my rule number 38: NEVER assume the meteorite in your hand is what you think it is, unless it's a scientifically derived conclusion. Cheers! Jim On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Alan Rubin wrote: > If specimens are part of an observed fall and are very fresh looking, one > supposes (without absolute certainty) that the different individuals are > paired. If stones are found lying on the ground in an area that has yielded > few other meteorites, then one can also assume that they are paired, but the > certainty is lower. The probability can increase, however, if they are of a > rare type. But if stones are found in a region where there are overlapping > strewnfields or if some concentration mechanism has brought different > meteorites together, then we are less certain that they are paired even if > they are of an unusual type. We may say that they are probably paired > (particularly if they have similar textures, bulk compositions, terrestrial > ages, cosmic-ray expsosure ages, etc.), but the prudent thing to do (since > we generally don't have all of these data) is to treat them as separate > meteorites with separate numbers and let the pairing be a scientifically > derived conclusion, not a curatorial assignment. > > > Alan Rubin > Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics > University of California > 3845 Slichter Hall > 603 Charles Young Dr. E > Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 > phone: 310-825-3202 > e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu > website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html > > > - Original Message - From: "Mendy Ouzillou" > To: "'Robert Verish'" ; "'Jeff Grossman'" > ; > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's > > > Bob, > Sorry it took me so long to respond - the email got buried under a Russian > meteorite. > Your explanation is logical, but the classifiers did not mention these two > stones as being paired. Seeing as these were very likely found close to each > other (but perhaps subjected to different weathering conditions) they should > at a minimum be stated as paired. I know it is impossible to prevent the > explosion of numbers assigned for the reasons you stated below - I get that, > but at what point does it become too burdensome (rhetorical question)? How > do scientists know what numbers are paired together if the two > classifications do not state it that way (not rhetorical)? > Best, > Mendy > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Verish [mailto:bolidecha...@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:02 AM > To: 'Jeff Grossman'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Mendy Ouzillou > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's > > One benefit of having two numbers is that it allows the classifier to > clarify the differences between the two stones in order to show the range of > variation among these paired EL stones. The difference in this case being > one stone has "Alabandite present", and the second stone was "Extremely > weathered showing only rare metal. Rare alabandite". > > This would actually aid a subsequent classifier of another EL6 stone to be > able to pair that third stone to the other two. Otherwise that subsequent > classifier (not being aware of this variation) may be misled into thinking > that the third stone is unpaired. > > When I first read Mendy's question about "assignment of NWA numbers", I > thought he was making reference to assignment of provisional numbers. These > are usually assigned before the stones are classified and if the stones have > any appearance of outwardly looking different to each other, the prudent > requester is wise to get a number for each stone. > > Once a requester gets two numbers "assigned", it's not likely that a > classifier will get rid of one number. Where is the motivation if the > classifier will get more type-specimen by having each stone numbered. > > If the classifier submits a classification for each numbered stone, the > NomCom will accommodate that classifier by "approving" both numbers. > Anything less, and the NomCom would be considered "unaccommodating". > > Now, in defense of the classifier for not getting rid of one of the numbers, > I would say that the test lies in answering this question: > "What is the added-value in discarding a number?" > (Which is basically what Jeff Grossman was saying when he asked, "Why is > this a problem?") > > Or stated another way: > "Is there any added-value in approving two numbers that were assigned to two > stones that were subsequently paired?" > > For one answer to that question as it relates to these two EL6 stones, go to > the beginning of this post. > > Bob V. > > > --- On Sat, 2/16/13, Mendy Ouzillou wrote: > >> From: Mendy Ouz
[meteorite-list] Russian meteor: Stefan Geens' research updates
Here are some of the more interesting updates for this page (I get them by email): http://ogleearth.com/2013/02/reconstructing-the-chelyabinsk-meteors-path-with-google-earth-youtube-and-high-school-math/ The Korkino video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odKjwrjIM-k is taken from approximately this location (according to my interpretation of comments on the above site, and a less precise location) in the town's marketplace, looking towards the building with a red roof: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=54.890978,61.399411&hl=en&ll=54.890707,61.399833&spn=0.001192,0.002124&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=53.212719,37.265625&t=h&z=19 A 2 minute 58 second video taken from Miass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-BoS_YEhfg is looking along the smoke trail from the west, from where it appears to be a compact cloud, with a dark band further to the west. This is presumably the shadow of the smoke. By coincidence the smoke trail seems to line up pretty much exactly with the sun. Therefore, the path of the remains of the bolide probably followed a path like this, which would be just to the north of where this video was taken. Other videos show an incandescent object continuing in an area where no smoke trail seems to have been left behind. That makes me think that at least one compact, largish (a metre or so??) object did continue in a reasonably straight line, though it would surely have slowed down and fallen more rapidly as it got into denser air. If there had been two or more compact objects, I would have thought that they would separate due to their shock-waves, but whether that separation in terms of side to side, up or down or forwards or backwards displacement would be visible in these videos, I don't know. I would expect two objects to have quite different air resistances and so to travel at different speeds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCawTYPtehk I am astounded the pedestrians keep on walking as if nothing much has happened!!! Someone linked to another map with a purple area which, I guess, is where they predict the fragments may have fallen: https://maps.google.ee/maps/ms?msid=216221265233140305376.0004d5da6860954d651ba&msa=0&ll=55.013851,61.333923&spn=0.872465,2.458191 Links to some other videos: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=20130 - Robin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?
Bob, The link below support strongly (from Robin Whittle post, thanks to him) the trajectory of the lower image in my first link. From the videos it is found that the bolide travelled almost right overYemanzhelinsk which is south of Korkino, which are two suburbs south of Chelyabinsk. Then continuing straight to the Lake Chebarkul impact site. So a roughly 120 azimuth path seems the correct one, bending slightly to the west after an explosion near Yemanzhelinsk. That means it came actually from southeast, not from northeast! Why the Meteosat 9 image (top one) is so far off, I can't explain. It was taken at 9:15, so is it really showing the meteor cloud? It seems to have an enormous size also, when considering the scale of the image. The video of the meteor travel in the link below indicates that one was shot at 9:20:28 forwards. Using SkyMap Pro I get a sunrise time of 9:16:33 and an azimuth for the sun at 9:20:20 at 111 deg 48', as seen from the suburb Yemanzhelinsk, so not far off my estimate. ogleearth.com/2013/02/reconstructing-the-chelyabinsk-meteors-path-with-google-earth-youtube-and-high-school-math Bjørn Sørheim Hi Bjørn, In the videos, the meteor is first seen above and to the left of the rising sun, so that would mean that it was further north than the rising sun. If you estimate the sun to be rising between 100-110 degrees azimuth, then the meteor would be less than 100 degrees, so the 80 degree estimate would be correct. Unless, the sun was still far below the horizon and therefore was further north relative to the video's angle. Maybe some of the experts can step in and let us know what the azimuth really was. Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bjorn Sorheim Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:27 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor? Hi Bob The bottom image was posted to the list with two others showing closer up projection on a map of The Chelyabinsk area. They all three show the roughly 120 degree azimuth entry. They seems to be detailed and some level of work behind. The Sun at this time would rise in the region at 100-110 degree azimuth, I estimate. The image come from a posting to the list about a day ago, titled: Russian progress on trajectory posted by Robin Whittle Bjørn Sørheim - The meteor came from the east (where the Sun was rising). Where did you get the image at the bottom? Everything I have seen about this has said or showed (in videos) that it came from near the Sun and was travelling to the west. Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bjorn Sorheim Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:52 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor? List, There seem to be posted two quite different images to the list about the compass direction from where the meteor came on Friday 15, morning (local). Obviously one of them must be wrong. Surprising if the weather image is wrong, how did that come about? Which one is closest to the direction used by Esko to compute the orbital elements? And which is the true direction? Would be important to clarify this. North is up in both images. Chelyabinsk is in the mid top at the lower one, and near the middle in the top image. The top image suggest azimuth 80 degree, while the lower about 120 degree. Here is a link to the two differing directions stitched together: home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/twoaz.jpg Bjørn Sørheim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cherbakul Чебаркуль - lake fragments officially identified as meteorites
Looks like the hunt is on then for samples along the track to the lakeI wonder which villagers were showing the pieces they found? Graham On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 9:25 PM, karmaka wrote: > Chebarkul / Чебаркуль - lake fragments officially identified as meteorites > > http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Ftheme%2Fmeteorite_Ural%2F > > http://ria.ru/theme/meteorite_Ural/ > > > Martin > > > Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und > endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. > http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's
If specimens are part of an observed fall and are very fresh looking, one supposes (without absolute certainty) that the different individuals are paired. If stones are found lying on the ground in an area that has yielded few other meteorites, then one can also assume that they are paired, but the certainty is lower. The probability can increase, however, if they are of a rare type. But if stones are found in a region where there are overlapping strewnfields or if some concentration mechanism has brought different meteorites together, then we are less certain that they are paired even if they are of an unusual type. We may say that they are probably paired (particularly if they have similar textures, bulk compositions, terrestrial ages, cosmic-ray expsosure ages, etc.), but the prudent thing to do (since we generally don't have all of these data) is to treat them as separate meteorites with separate numbers and let the pairing be a scientifically derived conclusion, not a curatorial assignment. Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 phone: 310-825-3202 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html - Original Message - From: "Mendy Ouzillou" To: "'Robert Verish'" ; "'Jeff Grossman'" ; Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's Bob, Sorry it took me so long to respond - the email got buried under a Russian meteorite. Your explanation is logical, but the classifiers did not mention these two stones as being paired. Seeing as these were very likely found close to each other (but perhaps subjected to different weathering conditions) they should at a minimum be stated as paired. I know it is impossible to prevent the explosion of numbers assigned for the reasons you stated below - I get that, but at what point does it become too burdensome (rhetorical question)? How do scientists know what numbers are paired together if the two classifications do not state it that way (not rhetorical)? Best, Mendy -Original Message- From: Robert Verish [mailto:bolidecha...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:02 AM To: 'Jeff Grossman'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Mendy Ouzillou Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's One benefit of having two numbers is that it allows the classifier to clarify the differences between the two stones in order to show the range of variation among these paired EL stones. The difference in this case being one stone has "Alabandite present", and the second stone was "Extremely weathered showing only rare metal. Rare alabandite". This would actually aid a subsequent classifier of another EL6 stone to be able to pair that third stone to the other two. Otherwise that subsequent classifier (not being aware of this variation) may be misled into thinking that the third stone is unpaired. When I first read Mendy's question about "assignment of NWA numbers", I thought he was making reference to assignment of provisional numbers. These are usually assigned before the stones are classified and if the stones have any appearance of outwardly looking different to each other, the prudent requester is wise to get a number for each stone. Once a requester gets two numbers "assigned", it's not likely that a classifier will get rid of one number. Where is the motivation if the classifier will get more type-specimen by having each stone numbered. If the classifier submits a classification for each numbered stone, the NomCom will accommodate that classifier by "approving" both numbers. Anything less, and the NomCom would be considered "unaccommodating". Now, in defense of the classifier for not getting rid of one of the numbers, I would say that the test lies in answering this question: "What is the added-value in discarding a number?" (Which is basically what Jeff Grossman was saying when he asked, "Why is this a problem?") Or stated another way: "Is there any added-value in approving two numbers that were assigned to two stones that were subsequently paired?" For one answer to that question as it relates to these two EL6 stones, go to the beginning of this post. Bob V. --- On Sat, 2/16/13, Mendy Ouzillou wrote: From: Mendy Ouzillou Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's To: "'Jeff Grossman'" , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, February 16, 2013, 8:51 PM Because as I read it the data for both specimens are the same within the margin of error and the two specimens should share one number. M -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:24 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met B
Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's
Bob, Sorry it took me so long to respond - the email got buried under a Russian meteorite. Your explanation is logical, but the classifiers did not mention these two stones as being paired. Seeing as these were very likely found close to each other (but perhaps subjected to different weathering conditions) they should at a minimum be stated as paired. I know it is impossible to prevent the explosion of numbers assigned for the reasons you stated below - I get that, but at what point does it become too burdensome (rhetorical question)? How do scientists know what numbers are paired together if the two classifications do not state it that way (not rhetorical)? Best, Mendy -Original Message- From: Robert Verish [mailto:bolidecha...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:02 AM To: 'Jeff Grossman'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Mendy Ouzillou Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's One benefit of having two numbers is that it allows the classifier to clarify the differences between the two stones in order to show the range of variation among these paired EL stones. The difference in this case being one stone has "Alabandite present", and the second stone was "Extremely weathered showing only rare metal. Rare alabandite". This would actually aid a subsequent classifier of another EL6 stone to be able to pair that third stone to the other two. Otherwise that subsequent classifier (not being aware of this variation) may be misled into thinking that the third stone is unpaired. When I first read Mendy's question about "assignment of NWA numbers", I thought he was making reference to assignment of provisional numbers. These are usually assigned before the stones are classified and if the stones have any appearance of outwardly looking different to each other, the prudent requester is wise to get a number for each stone. Once a requester gets two numbers "assigned", it's not likely that a classifier will get rid of one number. Where is the motivation if the classifier will get more type-specimen by having each stone numbered. If the classifier submits a classification for each numbered stone, the NomCom will accommodate that classifier by "approving" both numbers. Anything less, and the NomCom would be considered "unaccommodating". Now, in defense of the classifier for not getting rid of one of the numbers, I would say that the test lies in answering this question: "What is the added-value in discarding a number?" (Which is basically what Jeff Grossman was saying when he asked, "Why is this a problem?") Or stated another way: "Is there any added-value in approving two numbers that were assigned to two stones that were subsequently paired?" For one answer to that question as it relates to these two EL6 stones, go to the beginning of this post. Bob V. --- On Sat, 2/16/13, Mendy Ouzillou wrote: > From: Mendy Ouzillou > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's > To: "'Jeff Grossman'" , > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, February 16, 2013, 8:51 PM > > Because as I read it > the data for both specimens are the same within the margin of error > and the two specimens should share one number. > > M > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] > On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:24 PM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's > > Why is this a problem? -jeff > > On 2/16/2013 9:46 PM, Mendy Ouzillou wrote: > > Why are two consecutive numbers assigned to the same > group of stones. > EL6, two stones and same classifiers. I don't get it ... > > > > Mendy Ouzillou > > > > On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:20 AM, "Galactic Stone & > Ironworks" wrote: > > > > Hi Bulletin Watchers, > > > > There are a handful of new approvals - all are NWA meteorites. > > > > Link - > http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=&sfor=names&ants=&falls > =&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&c > ateg=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=1&pnt=Normal%20table&dr=&page=0 > > > > Best regards, > > > > MikeG > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk - Is it a "hammer" ???
Hi Mike, I think of "hammer" as a term that collector's use to organize their collections and dealer's use to market their meteorites. As such "hammer" is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think there will ever be a universally accepted definition. I admire you for trying to nail down a definition however I think you have a hopeless task ahead of you. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone & Ironworks Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 4:46 PM To: met-list Subject: [meteorite-list] Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk - Is it a "hammer" ??? Hi List, Quick question for hammer collectors : If meteorites are recovered from this event, and these recovered meteorites did not actually strike anything manmade, would this fall still have any reason to be labeled as a "hammer" ? Does damage from an impact shockwave count towards this fall being a hammer? I know this is sticky issue to some - the term "hammer fall" is not widely accepted and it's validity has been hotly debated on this list previously. This Russian event is spectacular for many reasons and does not need to be "promoted" to hammer status if it doesn't deserve such status. Possible labels for this fall : 1) fall (of course) 2) witnessed fall (duh!) 3) observed fall (yes) 4) hammer fall (? - questionable at best) 5) crater-maker (does a hole in an ice-sheet count as a "crater"?) 6) wake-up call : time to start seriously considering an effective system to detect these "small" threats which fall under the size-detection threshold of larger observing networks. It's amazing that an object with the power to flatten a city slipped through undetected, despite most of the world's telescopes being pointed upwards for about a month preceding the impact. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 2/17/13, karmaka wrote: > Chebarkul / Чебаркуль - lake fragments officially identified as > meteorites > > http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2F > ria.ru%2Ftheme%2Fmeteorite_Ural%2F > > http://ria.ru/theme/meteorite_Ural/ > > > Martin > > > Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de > sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. > http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cherbakul Чебаркуль - lake fragments officially identified as meteorites
I meant Chebarkul Von: "karmaka" An: "met-list" Betreff: [meteorite-list] Cherbakul Чебаркуль - lake fragments officially identified as meteorites Datum: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:25:28 +0100 Chebarkul / Чебаркуль - lake fragments officially identified as meteorites http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Ftheme%2Fmeteorite_Ural%2F http://ria.ru/theme/meteorite_Ural/ Martin Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cherbakul Чебаркуль - lake fragments officially identified as meteorites
Chebarkul / Чебаркуль - lake fragments officially identified as meteorites http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Ftheme%2Fmeteorite_Ural%2F http://ria.ru/theme/meteorite_Ural/ Martin Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?
Hi Bjørn, In the videos, the meteor is first seen above and to the left of the rising sun, so that would mean that it was further north than the rising sun. If you estimate the sun to be rising between 100-110 degrees azimuth, then the meteor would be less than 100 degrees, so the 80 degree estimate would be correct. Unless, the sun was still far below the horizon and therefore was further north relative to the video's angle. Maybe some of the experts can step in and let us know what the azimuth really was. Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bjorn Sorheim Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:27 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor? Hi Bob The bottom image was posted to the list with two others showing closer up projection on a map of The Chelyabinsk area. They all three show the roughly 120 degree azimuth entry. They seems to be detailed and some level of work behind. The Sun at this time would rise in the region at 100-110 degree azimuth, I estimate. The image come from a posting to the list about a day ago, titled: Russian progress on trajectory posted by Robin Whittle Bjørn Sørheim - The meteor came from the east (where the Sun was rising). Where did you get the image at the bottom? Everything I have seen about this has said or showed (in videos) that it came from near the Sun and was travelling to the west. Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bjorn Sorheim Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:52 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor? List, There seem to be posted two quite different images to the list about the compass direction from where the meteor came on Friday 15, morning (local). Obviously one of them must be wrong. Surprising if the weather image is wrong, how did that come about? Which one is closest to the direction used by Esko to compute the orbital elements? And which is the true direction? Would be important to clarify this. North is up in both images. Chelyabinsk is in the mid top at the lower one, and near the middle in the top image. The top image suggest azimuth 80 degree, while the lower about 120 degree. Here is a link to the two differing directions stitched together: home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/twoaz.jpg Bjørn Sørheim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6110 - Release Date: 02/17/13 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Peter Brown's Initial Accessment of Chelaybinsk Event
Update from Peter Brown (via Richard's FB post) Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:11 pm(PST). Posted by: "Tomas" scibuffcom via MPML This report is written by Peter Brown, probably the foremost expert in the world on this type of impact event. "This is what I know as of 17 h UT today... Feb 15, 2013 Fireball Event Summary What follows are *initial* information gleaned for multiple instrumental sources recording various aspects of the Feb 15, 2013 airburst over Chelaybinsk, Russia (55.2N, 61.4E) 1. Time: The time of the main flare/airburst was 03:20:26 UT on Feb 15, 2013; the fireball began ablation about 30 secs before this time. 2. Based on the long duration of the event and videos, it is clear this was a very shallow entry (certainly less than 20 degrees, maybe more shallow). 3. It is *not* related to 2012 DA14 4. Energy: This is perhaps the hardest value to pin down so early in this investigation. From multiple sensors using multiple technologies a best initial estimate of the total energy of the event is about 300 kilotons of TNT equivalent = ~10^15 J). This could easily be in error by a factor of two. I am confident, however that it is in excess of 100 kTons, making it the largest recorded event since the 1908 Tunguska explosion. 5. Speed: The fireball entered the atmosphere at 18 km/s 6. Damage: The airblast clearly caused window breakage and light structural damage in downtown Chelaybinsk. The exact overpressure at which window failure occurs tends to be probabilistic and varies by construction design (ANSI S2.20, 1983). Normally some damage begins to occur around 500 Pa of overpressure, widespread window damage is expected to occur up to around ten-20 times this value. As the fireball had a shallow trajectory, the cylindrical blast wave would have propagated directly to the ground and would be expected to be intense. This could be further compounded by any fragmentation, quasi-spherical blasts. My impression is that the key here is that the terminal part of the fireball (probably between 15-20 km altitude) occurred almost directly over Chelaybinsk; this was perhaps the single greatest contributor to the blast damage (short range to the main part of the terminal detonation). 7. Comparators: The Sikhote-Alin fall (Feb 12, 1947) in the former Soviet Union was the equivalent of about 10 kilotons TNT, BUT as an iron impactor much of this energy was deposited at the ground rather than at altitude. The Oct 8, 2009 Indonesia event is the most recent similar event at about 50 kTons, but over the ocean (paper attached for quick reference). 8. Size: The pre-impacting asteroid was about 15 meters in diameter and had a mass of ~7000 tonnes. I fully expect revision of some of the numbers above, particularly the estimate of the yield which could *easily* change by a factor of two upon more complete analysis and will likely change as the day progresses /end Dr. Peter Brown Director - Centre for Planetary Science and Exploration Canada Research Chair in Meteor Astronomy Professor Department of Physics and Astronomy University of Western Ontario London, Ontario N6A 3K7 CANADA" __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2012 DA14 / Russian meteor yada yada
Facts not in evidence... Chris , one does not need to understand meteors to appreciate meteorites. We once had an enchanting if naive young lady named Julie on this list who loved to talk meteorites but she never could wrap her mind around the physics. Only in broad concepts did she try to connect the dots. (e.g the Earth has a magnetic field so iron meteorites are pulled in more than stone meteorites) But she was precious in her un-waving love of meteorites. I am a "parallel- broad-front-debris-field-believer" and someday we'll prove the existence of swarms around NEOs but this isn't the one to go to wrestle over, Bjorn. At least not that has to be resolved tonight. Lets instead savor this once in a lifetime experience and see out the facts about the meteoroid and set aside our own irritations and agree to disagree. Everyone has made some strong points but nothing can go further until we get a better handle in pre-entry mass/orbit and an actual sample of the meteorite before we start assigning a parent body. At this rate we will be invoking Goodwin's law by 5 am. Attacks on the messenger never resolve the truth in the message. Lets not pollute the goodwill nor crowd the list with the debate over perceptions and second guessing the motivations of each other. Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?
Hi Bob The bottom image was posted to the list with two others showing closer up projection on a map of The Chelyabinsk area. They all three show the roughly 120 degree azimuth entry. They seems to be detailed and some level of work behind. The Sun at this time would rise in the region at 100-110 degree azimuth, I estimate. The image come from a posting to the list about a day ago, titled: Russian progress on trajectory posted by Robin Whittle Bjørn Sørheim - The meteor came from the east (where the Sun was rising). Where did you get the image at the bottom? Everything I have seen about this has said or showed (in videos) that it came from near the Sun and was travelling to the west. Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bjorn Sorheim Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:52 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor? List, There seem to be posted two quite different images to the list about the compass direction from where the meteor came on Friday 15, morning (local). Obviously one of them must be wrong. Surprising if the weather image is wrong, how did that come about? Which one is closest to the direction used by Esko to compute the orbital elements? And which is the true direction? Would be important to clarify this. North is up in both images. Chelyabinsk is in the mid top at the lower one, and near the middle in the top image. The top image suggest azimuth 80 degree, while the lower about 120 degree. Here is a link to the two differing directions stitched together: home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/twoaz.jpg Bjørn Sørheim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?
The meteor came from the east (where the Sun was rising). Where did you get the image at the bottom? Everything I have seen about this has said or showed (in videos) that it came from near the Sun and was travelling to the west. Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bjorn Sorheim Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:52 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor? List, There seem to be posted two quite different images to the list about the compass direction from where the meteor came on Friday 15, morning (local). Obviously one of them must be wrong. Surprising if the weather image is wrong, how did that come about? Which one is closest to the direction used by Esko to compute the orbital elements? And which is the true direction? Would be important to clarify this. North is up in both images. Chelyabinsk is in the mid top at the lower one, and near the middle in the top image. The top image suggest azimuth 80 degree, while the lower about 120 degree. Here is a link to the two differing directions stitched together: home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/twoaz.jpg Bjørn Sørheim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6110 - Release Date: 02/17/13 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] "Gold Rush" begins for Fragments of Russian Meteorite - Correction
In Re: [meteorite-list] "Gold Rush" begins for Fragments of Russian Meteorite at http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg110951.html I wrote, "In this explosion, a waste tank at the Mayak nuclear weapons plant, Chelyabinsk region, exploded and contaminated an area of 15,000 to 20,000 square miles with radioactivity." In the above sentence, "15,000 to 20,000 square miles" should instead be "15,000 to 20,000 square kilometers." Sorry about the mistake. Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Gold Rush" begins for Fragments of Russian Meteorite
In [meteorite-list] "Gold Rush" begins for Fragments of Russian Meteorite at: http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg110943.html I wrote, “Chelyabinsk decided to keep the money in meteorites Konstantin Panyushkin, February 17, 2013, http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1034744&cid=7 http://cdn1.vesti.ru/p/o_740865.jpg “ A rough translation done of the video at http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=486926 was done for me. From the notes that I took while she translated for me, the first part of the video is about schools and hospitals getting their windows repaired and opening tomorrow. It was followed by a segment about first responders being taught to cut glass and repair windows. The next segment is about inhabitants in a village finding what they believe to me meteorites. The general gist of the segment is that they believe the stones came from space. They first noticed distinct holes in the snow around their village. When they dug up the holes, they found “pieces of metal” of various shapes and stones which they had not seen before within the area of the village. The kids said that they had found 6 or 7 stones the size of fingernail and one large stone. The segment states that they have decided to keep the “money in their stones” and wait to sell their stones when they can get the best money for them. It was stated that they will hide their stones from strangers until real buyers come as they heard on the internet that the stones are worth real money. Also, they will not think of showing their stones to scientists. One of the kids said that his grandfather told him not to keep the stones at home and not to touch them with his bare hands. My translator told me that the grandfather is likely thinking about the Kyshtym explosion that occurred on Sept. 29, 1957. In this explosion, a waste tank at the Mayak nuclear weapons plant, Chelyabinsk region, exploded and contaminated an area of 15,000 to 20,000 square miles with radioactivity. As a result, the older Russians in the region are suspicious of massive explosions of any kind. Kyshtym disaster http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayak#Kyshtym_disaster http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ostural-Spur.png Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?
List, There seem to be posted two quite different images to the list about the compass direction from where the meteor came on Friday 15, morning (local). Obviously one of them must be wrong. Surprising if the weather image is wrong, how did that come about? Which one is closest to the direction used by Esko to compute the orbital elements? And which is the true direction? Would be important to clarify this. North is up in both images. Chelyabinsk is in the mid top at the lower one, and near the middle in the top image. The top image suggest azimuth 80 degree, while the lower about 120 degree. Here is a link to the two differing directions stitched together: home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/twoaz.jpg Bjørn Sørheim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "Gold Rush" begins for Fragments of Russian Meteorite
yes...park forest came to mind for me too... On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: > > Certainly meteorites, looks like chondrites for sure. > Park Forest look to them. > Michael Farmer > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 17, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Graham Ensor wrote: > >> The stones being shown in this video near the end definitely look >> promisingremind me of Almahata Sitta or fresh shocked chondrite. >> >> Graham >> >> On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Paul H. wrote: >>> The gold rush begins for fragments of Russian meteor >>> worth more than £10,000 each as astronomers warn >>> UK had a lucky escape. Mail Online, February 17, 2013, >>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280019/The-gold-rush-begins-fragments-Russian-meteor-worth-10-000-astronomers-warn-UK-lucky-escape.html >>> >>> Bounty sets off hunt for meteorite pieces by Mark >>> Franchetti,The Sunday Times (UK) February 18, 2013 >>> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/bounty-sets-off-hunt-for-meteorite-pieces/story-fnb64oi6-1226579823065 >>> >>> Collectors Flock to Central Russia to Hunt Meteor >>> Gold By Timur Moon, February 17, 2013 >>> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/436137/20130217/meteor-urals-chelyabinsk-chebarkul.htm >>> >>> Russia halts search for meteorite, AFP, Sydney >>> Morning Herald, Febrauary 18, 2013, >>> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/russia-halts-search-for-meteorite-20130217-2ele5.html >>> >>> Meteorites: Hunting missiles from outer space >>> Sunday Morning, CBS News, February 17, 2013 >>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57569765/meteorites-hunting-missiles-from-outer-space/ >>> >>> Chelyabinsk decided to keep the money in meteorites >>> Konstantin Panyushkin, February 17, 2013, >>> http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1034744&cid=7 >>> http://cdn1.vesti.ru/p/o_740865.jpg >>> >>> “But there is one place where there was neither MES >>> nor military. In general, anyone, and it was there, >>> according to local residents, and all fell. Residents of >>> a village in the south of Chelyabinsk - the name is not >>> disclosed specifically - show black stones and believe >>> that he is the fragments of a meteorite. >>> >>> "The kids found fresh snow hole and started to get >>> out of the metal pieces of different shapes," - says >>> Sergey Turnovsky." >>> >>> Yours, >>> >>> Paul H. >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "Gold Rush" begins for Fragments of Russian Meteorite
Certainly meteorites, looks like chondrites for sure. Park Forest look to them. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Graham Ensor wrote: > The stones being shown in this video near the end definitely look > promisingremind me of Almahata Sitta or fresh shocked chondrite. > > Graham > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Paul H. wrote: >> The gold rush begins for fragments of Russian meteor >> worth more than £10,000 each as astronomers warn >> UK had a lucky escape. Mail Online, February 17, 2013, >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280019/The-gold-rush-begins-fragments-Russian-meteor-worth-10-000-astronomers-warn-UK-lucky-escape.html >> >> Bounty sets off hunt for meteorite pieces by Mark >> Franchetti,The Sunday Times (UK) February 18, 2013 >> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/bounty-sets-off-hunt-for-meteorite-pieces/story-fnb64oi6-1226579823065 >> >> Collectors Flock to Central Russia to Hunt Meteor >> Gold By Timur Moon, February 17, 2013 >> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/436137/20130217/meteor-urals-chelyabinsk-chebarkul.htm >> >> Russia halts search for meteorite, AFP, Sydney >> Morning Herald, Febrauary 18, 2013, >> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/russia-halts-search-for-meteorite-20130217-2ele5.html >> >> Meteorites: Hunting missiles from outer space >> Sunday Morning, CBS News, February 17, 2013 >> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57569765/meteorites-hunting-missiles-from-outer-space/ >> >> Chelyabinsk decided to keep the money in meteorites >> Konstantin Panyushkin, February 17, 2013, >> http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1034744&cid=7 >> http://cdn1.vesti.ru/p/o_740865.jpg >> >> “But there is one place where there was neither MES >> nor military. In general, anyone, and it was there, >> according to local residents, and all fell. Residents of >> a village in the south of Chelyabinsk - the name is not >> disclosed specifically - show black stones and believe >> that he is the fragments of a meteorite. >> >> "The kids found fresh snow hole and started to get >> out of the metal pieces of different shapes," - says >> Sergey Turnovsky." >> >> Yours, >> >> Paul H. >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Casa Grande meteorite-training Brix on the scent. Brix's Pup for sale
Hi All, I had a chance to test Brix with the new meteorite recovery. I was always curious about the scent that Brix was detecting and how old of a meteorite he could detect. I had picked up a couple of suspected meteorites but at closer inspection they turned out to be meteor wrongs. The meteor wrongs are around 50 - 60g size. I decided to try and trick Brix by putting both meteor wrongs and meteorite in the training area. What a great chance to see if Brix could detect a meteorite that has been lying on the ground for roughly 14 1/2 years. The meteorites that I have used for his training are 50 - 60g Buzzard Coulee's.I have an area that I use to train Brix with 12 cement blocks in a large circle. A meteorite is placed under a block in the center out of sight. Brix has to detect the meteorite by scent. At different training times I just toss a couple meteorites into a field with Brix out of line of sight and then release him in the general area. With the new Casa Grande meteorite I placed one under a brick and down 5 blocks a meteor wrong to see what he would do. Brix went to the blocks and started working when he came to the meteor wrong, he slowed down and did a double take and then moved to the block with the meteorite. Before the training I move all the blocks and touch everything in the training area except for the meteorites so my scent is on the blocks . Brix downed on the block were the meteorite was hiding. I repeated this training twice and he was able to locate the 18g meteorite both times. This is a good sign that some of the training is sticking with him. I am breeding Brix in a with a police department canine. She is a Belgian Malinois narcotics dog. One of the pups will go back to that department. I will get pick of the litter. I am not planning on keeping the pup as Brix is already a full time job. If anyone has an interest in a pup contact me off list. Price is $1200. There is no guarantee that the breeding will take but if it does then there will be one available. Four pups are already spoken for. Brix is registered AKC and UKC. Thanks, Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_AZ_Meteorite_Sonny_Clary.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "Gold Rush" begins for Fragments of Russian Meteorite
The stones being shown in this video near the end definitely look promisingremind me of Almahata Sitta or fresh shocked chondrite. Graham On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Paul H. wrote: > The gold rush begins for fragments of Russian meteor > worth more than £10,000 each as astronomers warn > UK had a lucky escape. Mail Online, February 17, 2013, > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280019/The-gold-rush-begins-fragments-Russian-meteor-worth-10-000-astronomers-warn-UK-lucky-escape.html > > Bounty sets off hunt for meteorite pieces by Mark > Franchetti,The Sunday Times (UK) February 18, 2013 > http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/bounty-sets-off-hunt-for-meteorite-pieces/story-fnb64oi6-1226579823065 > > Collectors Flock to Central Russia to Hunt Meteor > Gold By Timur Moon, February 17, 2013 > http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/436137/20130217/meteor-urals-chelyabinsk-chebarkul.htm > > Russia halts search for meteorite, AFP, Sydney > Morning Herald, Febrauary 18, 2013, > http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/russia-halts-search-for-meteorite-20130217-2ele5.html > > Meteorites: Hunting missiles from outer space > Sunday Morning, CBS News, February 17, 2013 > http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57569765/meteorites-hunting-missiles-from-outer-space/ > > Chelyabinsk decided to keep the money in meteorites > Konstantin Panyushkin, February 17, 2013, > http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1034744&cid=7 > http://cdn1.vesti.ru/p/o_740865.jpg > > “But there is one place where there was neither MES > nor military. In general, anyone, and it was there, > according to local residents, and all fell. Residents of > a village in the south of Chelyabinsk - the name is not > disclosed specifically - show black stones and believe > that he is the fragments of a meteorite. > > "The kids found fresh snow hole and started to get > out of the metal pieces of different shapes," - says > Sergey Turnovsky." > > Yours, > > Paul H. > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian progress on trajectory
>>Anyone have a SWAG on what would create the abundant white cloud trail (other than ice) to the extreme extent that we see???<< My guess that a lot of that material is a blend of various ionized air molecules and dust particles from the asteroid itself. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-Auctions ending including Black Beauty, lunars, Peekskill, Ensisheim, other museum pieces
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[meteorite-list] "Gold Rush" begins for Fragments of Russian Meteorite
The gold rush begins for fragments of Russian meteor worth more than £10,000 each as astronomers warn UK had a lucky escape. Mail Online, February 17, 2013, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280019/The-gold-rush-begins-fragments-Russian-meteor-worth-10-000-astronomers-warn-UK-lucky-escape.html Bounty sets off hunt for meteorite pieces by Mark Franchetti,The Sunday Times (UK) February 18, 2013 http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/bounty-sets-off-hunt-for-meteorite-pieces/story-fnb64oi6-1226579823065 Collectors Flock to Central Russia to Hunt Meteor Gold By Timur Moon, February 17, 2013 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/436137/20130217/meteor-urals-chelyabinsk-chebarkul.htm Russia halts search for meteorite, AFP, Sydney Morning Herald, Febrauary 18, 2013, http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/russia-halts-search-for-meteorite-20130217-2ele5.html Meteorites: Hunting missiles from outer space Sunday Morning, CBS News, February 17, 2013 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57569765/meteorites-hunting-missiles-from-outer-space/ Chelyabinsk decided to keep the money in meteorites Konstantin Panyushkin, February 17, 2013, http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1034744&cid=7 http://cdn1.vesti.ru/p/o_740865.jpg “But there is one place where there was neither MES nor military. In general, anyone, and it was there, according to local residents, and all fell. Residents of a village in the south of Chelyabinsk - the name is not disclosed specifically - show black stones and believe that he is the fragments of a meteorite. "The kids found fresh snow hole and started to get out of the metal pieces of different shapes," - says Sergey Turnovsky." Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2012 DA14 / Russian meteor yada yada
The point that Bjorn is missing, or ignoring, is it doesn't matter if there is a debris field around DA14 (or any other NEO). All the debris in such a field has virtually the same orbital parameters as the parent body. Given good information about the atmospheric path of a meteor, the original orbit of the body is unambiguously determinable. We can always say with near complete certainty whether a given meteor is associated with a particular body, and with absolute certainty when it is not. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 2/17/2013 12:16 AM, MEM wrote: Facts not in evidence... Chris , one does not need to understand meteors to appreciate meteorites. We once had an enchanting if naive young lady named Julie on this list who loved to talk meteorites but she never could wrap her mind around the physics. Only in broad concepts did she try to connect the dots. (e.g the Earth has a magnetic field so iron meteorites are pulled in more than stone meteorites) But she was precious in her un-waving love of meteorites. I am a "parallel- broad-front-debris-field-believer" and someday we'll prove the existence of swarms around NEOs but this isn't the one to go to wrestle over, Bjorn. At least not that has to be resolved tonight. Lets instead savor this once in a lifetime experience and see out the facts about the meteoroid and set aside our own irritations and agree to disagree. Everyone has made some strong points but nothing can go further until we get a better handle in pre-entry mass/orbit and an actual sample of the meteorite before we start assigning a parent body. At this rate we will be invoking Goodwin's law by 5 am. Attacks on the messenger never resolve the truth in the message. Lets not pollute the goodwill nor crowd the list with the debate over perceptions and second guessing the motivations of each other. Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian progress on trajectory
Hi Robin! Based on that explosion and other known strewn fields, if anything is found, it's going to be spread wide. I am guessing 4 to 6km. Anyone have a SWAG on what would create the abundant white cloud trail (other than ice) to the extreme extent that we see??? Would it be possible for that much moisture to be in the air at that location to create such an effect? Does anyone know how long the trail remained visable? Cheers! Jim Wooddell On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Robin Whittle wrote: > >From recent comments on this page, and responses by Stefan Geens: > > > http://ogleearth.com/2013/02/reconstructing-the-chelyabinsk-meteors-path-with-google-earth-youtube-and-high-school-math/ > > some Russians are on the case, using some additional videos: > > http://74.ru/forum/theme.php?id=627655#msg11161818 > > > http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2F74.ru%2Fforum%2Ftheme.php%3Fid%3D627655 > > > The maps: > > http://z2.d.sdska.ru/2-z2-4d9d50a2-144e-42a6-ad1a-9a8492165f63.jpg > http://z1.d.sdska.ru/2-z1-4b6a226a-ddf5-4552-916d-042b47b36117.jpg > > http://z3.d.sdska.ru/2-z3-930e0e5c-aded-46ec-8e31-e518b5a6aa62.jpg > > > - Robin > > > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com 928-247-2675 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Boom 28 secs after Russian meteor passes overhead - oops 98 secs!
Ahyes I had not noticed that and it was confusing me too as on another videowhich I have been trying to find it had a countdown of time and that did match also at least 98 seconds.wish I could find that one againlooked at so many. G On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Robin Whittle wrote: > A list member kindly pointed out that there was more than a few seconds > deleted from this video. I didn't look at the minutes figure. > > The meteor is overhead at 43:06 and the shockwave arrives at 44.34. > > So this puts the altitude about three times the 8.7km estimated by Bob > Matson. From: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound#Altitude_variation_and_implications_for_atmospheric_acoustics > > http://en.wikipedia.org > /wiki/File:Comparison_US_standard_atmosphere_1962.svg > > the speed of sound varies somewhat. Since this is a large positive > pressure wave, maybe it would travel somewhat faster than a small > pressure wave at these higher altitudes. Sticking with the 310 > metre/sec guesstimate of Bob Matson, 98 seconds gives us 30.4 km. > > - Robin > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2012 DA14 and the Russian meteor
Hi all, Piper Hollier asked me a very valid question and in the context of the discussions I think it deserves an answer to the whole list. Piper asked if gravitational curvature under influence of the gravitational attraction of Earth could mean that fragments of 2012 DA14 could nevertheless impact on (parts of) the "far side" of earth (the northern hemisphere in this case). This is my answer: "Yes, you are correct that gravitational curvature means that the last part of the trajectory of an object grazing the limb of the globe can be slightly bend and as a result, objects can impact slightly behind the line that separate the "front" and "far" side of the globe. However, that is a limited effect and in this case the latitudes North coming into reach as a result of such gravitaional curvature are limited to really low latitudes only (roughly below 20-25 degrees N). For as far North as 55 degrees Northern latitude, an impact is really impossible." - Marco __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Russian progress on trajectory
>From recent comments on this page, and responses by Stefan Geens: http://ogleearth.com/2013/02/reconstructing-the-chelyabinsk-meteors-path-with-google-earth-youtube-and-high-school-math/ some Russians are on the case, using some additional videos: http://74.ru/forum/theme.php?id=627655#msg11161818 http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2F74.ru%2Fforum%2Ftheme.php%3Fid%3D627655 The maps: http://z2.d.sdska.ru/2-z2-4d9d50a2-144e-42a6-ad1a-9a8492165f63.jpg http://z1.d.sdska.ru/2-z1-4b6a226a-ddf5-4552-916d-042b47b36117.jpg http://z3.d.sdska.ru/2-z3-930e0e5c-aded-46ec-8e31-e518b5a6aa62.jpg - Robin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - a couple of Gibeon cubes ending in the next few hours..
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Re: [meteorite-list] 2012 DA14 and the Russian meteor: a strong link
Hi Bjorn, (others) First of all, since you trump the "NASA are the experts and way more educated" card in an absurd way: NASA is not the only organisation who has educated experts and they do sometimes miss the obvious. Remember that "fireball over Wales" that was not a fireball? I have discovered 60 asteroids myself, including a NEA, and I am currently involved in a small scale but professional asteroid search project (the Konkoly survey, MPC 461). I am peer-reviewed published on meteors. So I am not exactly a "nobody" in this field: I know my orbital mechanics. You have to, to discover asteroids. I hate dick challenges, but in response to the agressive and denigrating way you tried to question my expertise, I am tempted to ask you: "how many asteroids did YOU discover?" Second, and more to the point: it is you who is flat out wrong. Calculate the 2012 DA14 encounter geometry and you will see that the *combined* vector of earth orbital movement and asteroid orbital movement (you on the other hand only look at the asteroids' orbital movement, and that is your mistake) creates an approach point which, seen form the geocenter, is at declination -81 degrees, i.e. almost near the southern celestial pole. Which means that the asteroid (and any fragments in similar orbits dispersed around it) comes in from deep south under an angle of only 9 degrees with the Earth's POLAR axis. It is for this reason that 2012 DA14 last Friday was visible from the southern hemisphere first, and from the northern hemisphere only later, moving from deep southern celestial declinations to the north. So you are "flat out wrong", not me. For the reasons I outlined in my earlier mail and above, fragments of a swarm in the orbit of 2012 DA14 can *never* impact at 55 north latitude as most of the northern hemisphere represents the "far side" of the earth as seen from the 2012 DA14 approach direction. It is a reason similar to that why people in Australia cannot observe the Perseid meteor shower: they are in the wrong hemisphere as seen from the approach direction of the meteoroids. There are multiple ways to approach such an association problem. The classic way is to compare the bolide's trajectory with what you expect for fragments of the asteroid. That is what NASA seems to focus on. But in this particular case, the characteristics of the 2012 DA14 orbital geometry also provide a clear argument, and knowing the encounter geometry of the asteroid made this immediately very clear to me. The point is that the bolides latitude of impact and the approach geometry of 2012 DA14 are very well established facts, even if the bolides' trajectory is perhaps not. That is the fun of this all: in this case you don't need the bolides trajectory, only the impact latitude and the 2012 DA14 encounter geometry, to 100% rule out that this was 2012 DA14 related. - Marco Langbroek Bjorn Sorheim Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 5:53 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2012 DA14 and the Russian meteor: a strong link Hello List, I can't see in any way how your statements can be true, and I wonder how anyone can. I would assume NASA has way more educated professionals in this than you. Why do they say: 'Preliminary information indicates --- not related'? They would have been able to refute a strike for all areas of Russia according to your reasoning. When an asteroid having a shallow inclination of 10 deg to the ecliptical plane, that is Earth's orbital plane, and a fragment originating from this, travelling parallell to this, as I assume the meteorid/asteroid that came down near Chelyabinsk did, it will easily hit ANY part of Earth provided it hits when that part of Earth is facing towards it. Giving a large number of objects in a swarm around/forwards/backwards of it, these fragments from asteroid 2012DA14 will get to ground on all parts of the Earth as the Earth rotates through the day and night, that should be obvious. On a psychological note, I observe that none of you have countered any given sentence I have written on this russian meteor. You just manically keep reiterating that they are not related. I can only sea anxiety behind this. Sorry, Marco, but you are flatly wrong here. Your statement is absurd. Only asteroids with very high inclination of 70-90 degree would behave the way you say here. We are talking 10 degrees in this case, and your statements are ridiculous and shocking. You seem to believe that the orbit of 2012DA14 is retrograde, which of course it is not. So please, if you can prove me wrong on any sentence or statement I have written, do it. But please, Marco, Rob and Chris do it also internally to the other members of your internal group, and don't behave like a pack of wolves... I hope also when someone are putting forwards a clearly wrong statement, me or anyone else are allowed to denounce that statement from the person. I hope we can d
Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's
One benefit of having two numbers is that it allows the classifier to clarify the differences between the two stones in order to show the range of variation among these paired EL stones. The difference in this case being one stone has "Alabandite present", and the second stone was "Extremely weathered showing only rare metal. Rare alabandite". This would actually aid a subsequent classifier of another EL6 stone to be able to pair that third stone to the other two. Otherwise that subsequent classifier (not being aware of this variation) may be misled into thinking that the third stone is unpaired. When I first read Mendy's question about "assignment of NWA numbers", I thought he was making reference to assignment of provisional numbers. These are usually assigned before the stones are classified and if the stones have any appearance of outwardly looking different to each other, the prudent requester is wise to get a number for each stone. Once a requester gets two numbers "assigned", it's not likely that a classifier will get rid of one number. Where is the motivation if the classifier will get more type-specimen by having each stone numbered. If the classifier submits a classification for each numbered stone, the NomCom will accommodate that classifier by "approving" both numbers. Anything less, and the NomCom would be considered "unaccommodating". Now, in defense of the classifier for not getting rid of one of the numbers, I would say that the test lies in answering this question: "What is the added-value in discarding a number?" (Which is basically what Jeff Grossman was saying when he asked, "Why is this a problem?") Or stated another way: "Is there any added-value in approving two numbers that were assigned to two stones that were subsequently paired?" For one answer to that question as it relates to these two EL6 stones, go to the beginning of this post. Bob V. --- On Sat, 2/16/13, Mendy Ouzillou wrote: > From: Mendy Ouzillou > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's > To: "'Jeff Grossman'" , > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, February 16, 2013, 8:51 PM > > Because as I read it > the data for both specimens are the same > within the margin of error > and the two specimens > should share one number. > > M > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] > On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:24 PM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's > > Why is this a problem? -jeff > > On 2/16/2013 9:46 PM, Mendy Ouzillou wrote: > > Why are two consecutive numbers assigned to the same > group of stones. > EL6, two stones and same classifiers. I don't get it > ... > > > > Mendy Ouzillou > > > > On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:20 AM, "Galactic Stone & > Ironworks" wrote: > > > > Hi Bulletin Watchers, > > > > There are a handful of new approvals - all are NWA meteorites. > > > > Link - > http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=1&pnt=Normal%20table&dr=&page=0 > > > > Best regards, > > > > MikeG > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Some Ebay Auctions Ending Today
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