[meteorite-list] AD -chebarkul-meteorites-available
List, AD -chebarkul-meteorites-available http://finlandspectrolite.blogspot.jp/2013/03/chebarkul-meteorites-available.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Two-Buck-Binsk
I have it on good authority that it's headed to two dollars a gram. Paul I finally got my 7 gram Chelyabinsk stone. I have never seen a more beautiful and black fusion crust. This is a fall where I do not see the prices going down anytime soon. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 7474 Contributed by: Dave Pensenstadler http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE
Mike Farmer just sort of agreed with Steve Anold. I fear the universe will now implode!! Regards, the other,other,other Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sun, 3/24/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE To: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Cc: meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Date: Sunday, March 24, 2013, 12:11 PM Don, for once I sort of agree with Steve. I just returned from Russia, so I know all about the details on the ground. This is the most important meteorite fall in modern history, type is of no concern really. While prices on eBay are premium, the pieces for sale are all superb, collected in -30 -20f weather, still in deep freeze, pristine. I have seen pieces already oxidized that were thawed improperly, still covered in ice or snow, and thus beginning to rust. All the material found after 3-6 ft of snow melts will be heavily damaged. Furthermore, driving down the strewn-field, it is mostly heavy birch and pine forests, and 3 foot high grasslands, not farmland! So when that snow is gone, and that grass stands up, forget it. You cant swing a detector in that terrain. It is an LL chondrite, low metal anyway, detectors don't work well on this meteorite unless almost touching the stone. While plenty more will be found, it may not be nearly as much as what we thought (I admit I was wrong:). When the snow melts, we will see what happens, but Russian government and scientists all working on it (I was in the laboratory a week ago). If you want flawless clean unweathered material, now is the time. After the melt, it will look like a different meteorite. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 24, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Hi Arnold. Why do you say you do not see the prices coming down anytime soon? There overpriced right now and there is plenty and plenty more that will be found. Its an ordinary chondrite no less! Those that can't wait a bit, of course its going cost you an arm and a leg to be the first on the block to have one. Curious to know what you paid for your piece! All I can say is, and no offence to anyone out there, is please do not sell your piece of Chelyabinsk. Keep it locked away in your collection as I do not want it in mine. Again I will wait until the craze calms down and or another Fall happens so as to take away the price and attention of this Chelyabinsk fall. I will wait when I truly know the Dealer and above all else PROOF that what I bought is the real deal. Call me cautious, call me carefull, call me an idiot, but I will play it safe on this one. Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: steve arnold chicagosteve1...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:10 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE Hello again list. I hope you are all well. I finally got my 7 gram Chelyabinsk stone. I have never seen a more beautiful and black fusion crust. This is a fall where I do not see the prices going down anytime soon. This a real historic fall sen by the whole world. Well anyway I have a few interesting meteorites for sale, so here we go with out further ado. 1. 104 gram TAZA bullett w/super flow lines at the bullett head. Asolutley fantastic! $475 OR BEST REASONABLE OFFER. 2.87 GRAM unclassified oroeinted stone chondrite the best one I have $300 3.7 gram oriented TAZA w/super flow lines one of the best I have seen with this size.$50 4.H, H NININGER 19 gram slice of canyon diablo he cut while looking for diamonds $100 5. 65 gram orented stone absolutley complete $250 6. 77 gram TAZA with rollover lips on both sides with some light cleaning $300 7. 81 gram oriented stone unclassified piece. $200 8. 57 gram oriented stone w/crater in the top of it. $100 9. 43 gram oriented stone unclassed piece $75 _ Well thats it. All with free shipping and pictures upon request. Please no trade unless you have chelyabinsk pieces. Thanks for your time and have a great day. -- Steve R. Anold, chicago, ill. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] AD: APT, Pasamonte, Almahata Sitta, Limerick, Ensisheim more ending soon on ebay!
Hello Listers Thank you for taking a look at my post of meteorites I have for sale on eBay. Here is your chance to own some rare and historic meteorites. Please take a look and if you have any questions or OFFERS /or TRADES, please email me and I'll get back with you. Lastly, if you are looking for bigger/smaller meteorites, let me know too. A meteorite is a meteorite, but a meteorite with history legacy, will always add aura to your meteorite collection and value. eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html Feature Auctions 7 Historic meteorite falls LOT-Ensisheim, Tabor, Albareto, Luce, Barbotan more http://www.ebay.com/itm/261183955114?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 LUCE' meteorite-France 1768 very rare historic fall - 1st analyzed meteorite! http://www.ebay.com/itm/261189269822?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 ENSISHEIM historic meteorite fall from 1492 - 1st fall from France - Very Rare http://www.ebay.com/itm/261189015897?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 FOREST CITY meteorite 1890 rare historic fall -1st USA COURT CASE BATTLE! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251234729935?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 BONITA SPRINGS found among skeletons in 1938 in FL USA Rare meteorite http://www.ebay.com/itm/251249658703?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 ALMAHATA SITTA meteorite 2008TC3 1st meteorite seen from space - SUPER RARE! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251249657561?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 CHANTONNAY meteorite fell in 1812 in France. Very rare and hard to find stone! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251249656845?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 PASAMONTE meteorite fall 1933 1st fireball caught on film - Extremely Rare! USA http://www.ebay.com/itm/251249653598?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 LIMERICK meteorite historic Ireland 1813 - Super Rare-Super Hard to Acquire! http://www.ebay.com/itm/261189002302?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 BARWELL meteorite Christmas meteorite fall/shower UK 1965 - Hammer Fall! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251249111885?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 BENARES (a) 1798 India HAMMER FALL - Extremely historic meteorite fall! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251249110191?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 SENA meteorite 1st fall from Spain from 1773 VERY RARE HISTORIC fall! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251241256113?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 APT historic meteorite fall – Fell in 1803 France- Very Rare! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251249108454?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html http://meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] unusual crystalline structure found in NWA --your thoughts please
Hi list Jason Borst (http://www.opalandjasper.com) who cuts my larger specimens has encountered an unusual crystal structure today in an otherwise ordinary looking NWA. Reminds me of a barred olivine chondrule except of course they aren't contained within a chondrule.And it's likely not olivine. I've uploaded a couple of shots for your perusal.I can't recall seeing such a structure before in a meteorite.Interested in thoughts and references please. Many thanks Jim big one http://pix.ie/meteoriteseire/3203745/size/1024 full slice http://pix.ie/meteoriteseire/3203747/size/640 http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Unusual crystalline structure found in NWA --your thoughts please
Hello Jim and List, Looks very much like polysomatic BO chondrules* to me! Cheers, Bernd *See: Norton O.R. (2002) The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites (Cambridge University Press, pp. 113+114). Norton O.R. (2008) Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites (pp.110+111). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] unusual crystalline structure found in NWA --your thoughts please
Very odd. Looks like some kind of deformed chondrule. I've never seen anything exactly like it either. Jason does awesome work. His cabbing and polishing work is top-notch. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, jim_brady...@o2.co.uk jim_brady...@o2.co.uk wrote: Hi list Jason Borst (http://www.opalandjasper.com) who cuts my larger specimens has encountered an unusual crystal structure today in an otherwise ordinary looking NWA. Reminds me of a barred olivine chondrule except of course they aren't contained within a chondrule.And it's likely not olivine. I've uploaded a couple of shots for your perusal.I can't recall seeing such a structure before in a meteorite.Interested in thoughts and references please. Many thanks Jim big one http://pix.ie/meteoriteseire/3203745/size/1024 full slice http://pix.ie/meteoriteseire/3203747/size/640 http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] unusual crystalline structure found in NWA --your thoughts please
Hi Jim...this is similar...hoping to get it looked at at PSSSRI at some point soon http://s760.photobucket.com/user/Graham-Ensor/library/Unusual%20inclusion%20in%20NWAxxx Sorry about poor shots...just took them quickly to reply Graham On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:48 PM, jim_brady...@o2.co.uk wrote: Hi list Jason Borst (http://www.opalandjasper.com) who cuts my larger specimens has encountered an unusual crystal structure today in an otherwise ordinary looking NWA. Reminds me of a barred olivine chondrule except of course they aren't contained within a chondrule.And it's likely not olivine. I've uploaded a couple of shots for your perusal.I can't recall seeing such a structure before in a meteorite.Interested in thoughts and references please. Many thanks Jim big one http://pix.ie/meteoriteseire/3203745/size/1024 full slice http://pix.ie/meteoriteseire/3203747/size/640 http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] unusual crystalline structure found in NWA --your thoughts please
Came across a similar one in an Allende Thin section (which I no longer have). See: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1992JRASC..861R Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Digging For Hidden Treasure on Mars (Mars Express)
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Digging_for_hidden_treasure_on_Mars Digging for hidden treasure on Mars European Space Agency 25 March 2013 ESA's Mars Express has spent nearly ten years imaging the Red Planet, and there are plenty of hidden treasures buried in the mission's rich picture archive. HRSCview http://hrscview.fu-berlin.de is a web interface to the archive that offers a chance to browse and explore any region of the Red Planet through the eyes of Mars Express with images that have not necessarily been highlighted by formal media releases. As Planetary Society blogger Bill Dunford puts it: The glamour shots of the planets that space agencies release are always gorgeous - but sometimes it's fun to wander out on your own. Indeed, Bill took a hike through the maze of valleys in the Noctis Labyrinthus region of Mars earlier this year using HRSCview as a tour guide, to produce this beautiful mosaic. Noctis Labyrinthus, the Labyrinth of the Night, is on the western edge of Valles Marineris, the Grand Canyon of Mars. It was first captured by Mars Express in June 2006. Noctis Labyrinthus is a complex tectonic region intimately linked to uplift of the nearby Tharsis volcanic region, home to the biggest volcano in the Solar System, Olympus Mons. As the Tharsis bulge swelled upwards, the planet's crust stretched, resulting in parts of the surface fracturing along parallel fault lines, producing sunken features known as graben. Some of the graben in this scene are heavily eroded, with rocky debris scattered at their bases. Younger formations are visible on the upper surfaces, with fault lines crossing each other in different directions, suggesting many episodes of tectonic stretching. This scene is a composite of around half a dozen images. Bill selected the images he was interested in from HRSCview and stitched them together, filling in a few small gaps in the data by sampling the pixels immediately adjacent. He also brightened the resulting picture. If you make an expedition through the martian landscape using HRSCview and create images like this, please share them with us via email (scicom[@]esa.int) or Twitter (@esascience). Who knows what treasures you may find? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] nice photo of friday night's east coast fireball
here's a great photo of friday night's fireball http://amsmeteors.org/2013/03/spectacular-photos-of-march-22nd-2013-east-coast-fireball/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unusual crystalline structure found in NWA --your thoughts please
Someone should smell it- having a BO chondrule you would think the meteorite would have an odor to it... (Sorry...!) Mike On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Hello Jim and List, Looks very much like polysomatic BO chondrules* to me! Cheers, Bernd *See: Norton O.R. (2002) The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites (Cambridge University Press, pp. 113+114). Norton O.R. (2008) Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites (pp.110+111). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Monday Night Special Auction Ending!
Dear List Members, I have a Monday Night Special auction set ending in a few hours. Lots of great material started at just 99 cents with no reserves. I have a set of auctions ending tomorrow night as well. I also added some items to my store and will continue to do so in the up-and-coming weeks. Please take a look if you can spare a few moments: Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
It's unsettling that we have no system in place to detect objects of this size. It's time to stop wasting money on pointless pork and use that money to field a detection system for smaller objects like the Chelyabinsk meteoroid. We can detect most planet-killers, but these city-killers are all around us and we can't do a damn thing about it until it's too late. So out of curiosity, what happens to this donated meteorite? Does it go into a display case in the Oval Office? Does it go into the Smithsonian? Or does it get lumped in with the other gifts the president receives (into some obscure storage room at the State Dept)? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE
Well let's wait and see some prices before we get too nuts about this. I'm waiting to hear from some of the big dealers here on small specimen prices. I don't need big pieces to be happy. 5-10 grams is fine by me. I do agree that the longer they sit under the snow the worse they may look as the snow melts. Price wise I will buy one that *I* can afford. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Knowing our commander with some teeth it will be tossed in a drawer and forgotten about. Didn't Michael Casper give Hillary or Bill Clinton a piece? I haven't heard anything about that meteorite. I remember Michael Casper mentioned this apparently unappreciated gift on his website. Hopefully it will be appreciated for what it is or passed onto to somebody who will. Adam - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today It's unsettling that we have no system in place to detect objects of this size. It's time to stop wasting money on pointless pork and use that money to field a detection system for smaller objects like the Chelyabinsk meteoroid. We can detect most planet-killers, but these city-killers are all around us and we can't do a damn thing about it until it's too late. So out of curiosity, what happens to this donated meteorite? Does it go into a display case in the Oval Office? Does it go into the Smithsonian? Or does it get lumped in with the other gifts the president receives (into some obscure storage room at the State Dept)? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE
Tom, I believe, at this point, that we're all in for a rude awakening when prices are announced. I hope I'm wrong. Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Mon, 3/25/13, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: From: Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE To: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, March 25, 2013, 4:59 PM Well let's wait and see some prices before we get too nuts about this. I'm waiting to hear from some of the big dealers here on small specimen prices. I don't need big pieces to be happy. 5-10 grams is fine by me. I do agree that the longer they sit under the snow the worse they may look as the snow melts. Price wise I will buy one that *I* can afford. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE
The list should be buzzing with guesses or speculation, but it seems no one wants to talk about the elephant in the room. Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Mon, 3/25/13, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: From: Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE To: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, March 25, 2013, 4:59 PM Well let's wait and see some prices before we get too nuts about this. I'm waiting to hear from some of the big dealers here on small specimen prices. I don't need big pieces to be happy. 5-10 grams is fine by me. I do agree that the longer they sit under the snow the worse they may look as the snow melts. Price wise I will buy one that *I* can afford. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE
Well it won't kill me if I can't get a little piece. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. On 3/25/2013 6:13 PM, Steve Witt wrote: Tom, I believe, at this point, that we're all in for a rude awakening when prices are announced. I hope I'm wrong. Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Mon, 3/25/13, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: From: Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE To: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, March 25, 2013, 4:59 PM Well let's wait and see some prices before we get too nuts about this. I'm waiting to hear from some of the big dealers here on small specimen prices. I don't need big pieces to be happy. 5-10 grams is fine by me. I do agree that the longer they sit under the snow the worse they may look as the snow melts. Price wise I will buy one that *I* can afford. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE
No one wants to get stepped on by the elephant! On 3/25/2013 6:16 PM, Steve Witt wrote: The list should be buzzing with guesses or speculation, but it seems no one wants to talk about the elephant in the room. Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Mon, 3/25/13, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: From: Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE To: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, March 25, 2013, 4:59 PM Well let's wait and see some prices before we get too nuts about this. I'm waiting to hear from some of the big dealers here on small specimen prices. I don't need big pieces to be happy. 5-10 grams is fine by me. I do agree that the longer they sit under the snow the worse they may look as the snow melts. Price wise I will buy one that *I* can afford. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE
I am waiting for the Russian meteorite dealers to put a truckload on the market. They always seem to price meteorites fairly and are not afraid to give steep discounts on larger pieces. So like everybody else, I am waiting to add a piece to my personal collection. I think LL's will hold up fine in the frozen conditions and will make it another month or two without major condition issues. If it were an H like Peekskill, which seems to rust at the first contact with somebodies breath, I would be in a hurry to lock a piece down and throw into a hermetically sealed, nitrogen filled vessel. Adam . - Original Message - From: Steve Witt stelo...@yahoo.com To: Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com; MetList Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE Tom, I believe, at this point, that we're all in for a rude awakening when prices are announced. I hope I'm wrong. Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Mon, 3/25/13, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: From: Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE To: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, March 25, 2013, 4:59 PM Well let's wait and see some prices before we get too nuts about this. I'm waiting to hear from some of the big dealers here on small specimen prices. I don't need big pieces to be happy. 5-10 grams is fine by me. I do agree that the longer they sit under the snow the worse they may look as the snow melts. Price wise I will buy one that *I* can afford. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] unusual crystalline structure found in NWA --your thoughts please
In the world of earth rocks, if you were to slice clevelandite or barite, the structure would look much like your mystery crystals. Fred H Hi list Jason Borst (http://www.opalandjasper.com) who cuts my larger specimens has encountered an unusual crystal structure today in an otherwise ordinary looking NWA. Reminds me of a barred olivine chondrule except of course they aren't contained within a chondrule.And it's likely not olivine. I've uploaded a couple of shots for your perusal.I can't recall seeing such a structure before in a meteorite.Interested in thoughts and references please. Many thanks Jim big one http://pix.ie/meteoriteseire/3203745/size/1024 full slice http://pix.ie/meteoriteseire/3203747/size/640 http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE
Perhaps you contact us. Not Everything is public. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Well let's wait and see some prices before we get too nuts about this. I'm waiting to hear from some of the big dealers here on small specimen prices. I don't need big pieces to be happy. 5-10 grams is fine by me. I do agree that the longer they sit under the snow the worse they may look as the snow melts. Price wise I will buy one that *I* can afford. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Casper gave Hillary a Sikhote-Alin when she was on his block. Not sure that she was supposed to hold a press conference... Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Knowing our commander with some teeth it will be tossed in a drawer and forgotten about. Didn't Michael Casper give Hillary or Bill Clinton a piece? I haven't heard anything about that meteorite. I remember Michael Casper mentioned this apparently unappreciated gift on his website. Hopefully it will be appreciated for what it is or passed onto to somebody who will. Adam - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today It's unsettling that we have no system in place to detect objects of this size. It's time to stop wasting money on pointless pork and use that money to field a detection system for smaller objects like the Chelyabinsk meteoroid. We can detect most planet-killers, but these city-killers are all around us and we can't do a damn thing about it until it's too late. So out of curiosity, what happens to this donated meteorite? Does it go into a display case in the Oval Office? Does it go into the Smithsonian? Or does it get lumped in with the other gifts the president receives (into some obscure storage room at the State Dept)? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Most likely it'll be archived along with the tens of thousands of other gifts Presidents usually receive. http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/reference/gifts.html -Yinan On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Knowing our commander with some teeth it will be tossed in a drawer and forgotten about. Didn't Michael Casper give Hillary or Bill Clinton a piece? I haven't heard anything about that meteorite. I remember Michael Casper mentioned this apparently unappreciated gift on his website. Hopefully it will be appreciated for what it is or passed onto to somebody who will. Adam - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today It's unsettling that we have no system in place to detect objects of this size. It's time to stop wasting money on pointless pork and use that money to field a detection system for smaller objects like the Chelyabinsk meteoroid. We can detect most planet-killers, but these city-killers are all around us and we can't do a damn thing about it until it's too late. So out of curiosity, what happens to this donated meteorite? Does it go into a display case in the Oval Office? Does it go into the Smithsonian? Or does it get lumped in with the other gifts the president receives (into some obscure storage room at the State Dept)? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
It will get filed with all the other Presidential gifts during his term and later included in the Obama Presidential library someday. The library may then donate it to the Smithsonian museum. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
LOL! Don't even get me started on religion! ! Congress is totally useless IMHO. Politicians are pretty much useless 99% of the time. IMHO. Regards! Tom On 3/25/2013 7:59 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and enjoy it. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Curiosity Resumes Science Investigations
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-115 Curiosity Resumes Science Investigations Jet Propulsion Laboratory March 25, 2013 Mars Science Laboratory Mission Status Report PASADENA, Calif. - NASA's Mars rover Curiosity has resumed science investigations after recovery from a computer glitch that prompted the engineers to switch the rover to a redundant main computer on Feb. 28. The rover has been monitoring the weather since March 21 and delivered a new portion of powdered-rock sample for laboratory analysis on March 23, among other activities. We are back to full science operations, said Curiosity Deputy Project Manager Jim Erickson of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. The powder delivered on Saturday came from the rover's first full drilling into a rock to collect a sample. The new portion went into the Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) instrument inside the rover, which began analyzing this material and had previously analyzed other portions from the same drilling. SAM can analyze samples in several different ways, so multiple portions from the same drilling are useful. The Rover Environmental Monitoring Station (REMS) is recording weather variables. The Radiation Assessment Detector (RAD) is checking the natural radiation environment at the rover's location inside Gale Crater. Like many spacecraft, Curiosity carries a pair of main computers, redundant to each other, to have a backup available if one fails. Each of the computers, A-side and B-side, also has other redundant subsystems linked to just that computer. Curiosity is now operating on its B-side, as it did during part of the flight from Earth to Mars. The A-side was most recently used starting a few weeks before landing and continuing until Feb. 28, when engineers commanded a switch to the B-side in response to a memory glitch on the A-side. The A-side now is available as a backup if needed. One aspect of ramping-up activities after switching to the B-side computer has been to check the six engineering cameras that are hard-linked to that computer. The rover's science instruments, including five science cameras, can each be operated by either the A-side or B-side computer, whichever is active. However, each of Curiosity's 12 engineering cameras is linked to just one of the computers. The engineering cameras are the Navigation Camera (Navcam), the Front Hazard-Avoidance Camera (Front Hazcam) and Rear Hazard-Avoidance Camera (Rear Hazcam). Each of those three named cameras has four cameras on it: two stereo pairs of cameras, with one pair linked to each computer. Only the pairs linked to the active computer can be used, and the A-side computer was active from before landing, in August, until Feb. 28. This was the first use of the B-side engineering cameras since April 2012, on the way to Mars, said JPL's Justin Maki, team lead for these cameras. Now we've used them on Mars for the first time, and they've all checked out OK. Engineers quickly diagnosed a software issue that prompted Curiosity to put itself into a precautionary standby safe mode on March 16, and they know how to prevent it from happening again. The rover stayed on its B-side while it was in safe mode and subsequently as science activities resumed. Upcoming activities include preparations for a moratorium on transmitting commands to Curiosity from April 4 to May 1, while Mars will be passing nearly directly behind the sun from Earth's perspective. The moratorium is a precaution against possible interference by the sun corrupting a command sent to the rover. NASA's Mars Science Laboratory project is using Curiosity and the rover's 10 science instruments to investigate the environmental history within Gale Crater, a location where the project has found that conditions were long ago favorable for microbial life. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. More information about Curiosity is online at http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/msl , http://www.nasa.gov/msl and http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/ . You can follow the mission on Facebook at: http://www.facebook.com/marscuriosity and on Twitter at: http://www.twitter.com/marscuriosity . Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 2013-115 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Scientists Find Moon, Asteroids Share History
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-114 NASA Scientists Find Moon, Asteroids Share History Jet Propulsion Laboratory March 25, 2013 PASADENA, Calif. - NASA and international researchers have discovered that Earth's moon has more in common than previously thought with large asteroids roaming our solar system. Scientists from NASA's Lunar Science Institute (NLSI) in Moffett Field, Calif., discovered that the same population of high-speed projectiles that impacted our lunar neighbor four billion years ago, also hit the giant asteroid Vesta and perhaps other large asteroids. The research unveils an unexpected link between Vesta and the moon, and provides new means for studying the early bombardment history of terrestrial planets. The findings are published in the March issue of Nature Geoscience. It's always intriguing when interdisciplinary research changes the way we understand the history of our solar system, said Yvonne Pendleton, NLSI director. Although the moon is located far from Vesta, which is in the main asteroid belt between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter, they seem to share some of the same bombardment history. The findings support the theory that the repositioning of gas giant planets like Jupiter and Saturn from their original orbits to their current location destabilized portions of the asteroid belt and triggered a solar system-wide bombardment of asteroids billions of years ago, called the lunar cataclysm. The research provides new constraints on the start and duration of the lunar cataclysm, and demonstrates that the cataclysm was an event that affected not only the inner solar system planets, but the asteroid belt as well. The moon rocks brought back by NASA Apollo astronauts have long been used to study the bombardment history of the moon. Now the ages derived from meteorite samples have been used to study the collisional history of main belt asteroids. In particular, howardite and eucrite meteorites, which are common species found on Earth, have been used to study asteroid Vesta, their parent body. With the aid of computer simulations, researchers determined that meteorites from Vesta recorded high-speed impacts which are now long gone. Researchers have linked these two datasets and found that the same population of projectiles responsible for making craters and basins on the moon were also hitting Vesta at very high velocities, enough to leave behind a number of telltale, impact-related ages. The team's interpretation of the howardites and eucrites was augmented by recent close-in observations of Vesta's surface by NASA's Dawn spacecraft. In addition, the team used the latest dynamical models of early main belt evolution to discover the likely source of these high velocity impactors. The team determined that the population of projectiles that hit Vesta had orbits that also enabled some objects to strike the moon at high speeds. It appears that the asteroidal meteorites show signs of the asteroid belt losing a lot of mass four billion years ago, with the escaped mass beating up on both the surviving main belt asteroids and the moon at high speeds says lead author Simone Marchi, who has a joint appointment between two of NASA's Lunar Science Institutes, one at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colo., and another at the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston. Our research not only supports the current theory, but it takes it to the next level of understanding. The NLSI is headquartered at NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. The Dawn mission to Vesta and Ceres is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Dawn is a project of the directorate's Discovery Program, managed by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. To learn more about NLSI, visit: http://lunarscience.nasa.gov . For more information about the Dawn mission, visit: www.nasa.gov/dawn http://www.nasa.gov/dawn . Jia-Rui C. Cook 818-354-0850 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. jcc...@jpl.nasa.gov Karen Jenvey 650-604-4789 Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. karen.jen...@nasa.gov 2013-114 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and enjoy it. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and enjoy it. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Yeah, and the earth is only 8000 years old. LOL! Jim Strope 421 4th Street Glen Dale, WV. 26038 Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and enjoy it. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE
Another thought was donating it to me. I would of taken a picture of it, added it to my collection, then posted the picture on my Website with your information on the specimen and your name as the donator. All this with in an hour of receiving the donation! I would of shown my gratitude immediately. Don't believe metry it! Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com Cc: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FOR SALE Perhaps you contact us. Not Everything is public. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Well let's wait and see some prices before we get too nuts about this. I'm waiting to hear from some of the big dealers here on small specimen prices. I don't need big pieces to be happy. 5-10 grams is fine by me. I do agree that the longer they sit under the snow the worse they may look as the snow melts. Price wise I will buy one that *I* can afford. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Another thought was donating it to me. I would of taken a picture of it, added it to my collection, then posted the picture on my Website with your information on the specimen and your name as the donator. All this with in an hour of receiving the donation! I would of shown my gratitude immediately. Don't believe metry it! Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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There are still 4 people in critical condition in the hospital there. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Hi Mike, Do you know any details on their injuries? Was the broken back a result of falling debris? I imagine flying glass wasn't responsible for the spine injury, but I could be wrong. And what about the other injuries? I don't recall hearing much about it in the media reports. A shame that people are clinging to life in ICU wards as a result of this event and we don't hear anything about them. Best regards, MikeG PS - if someone dies as a result of injuries sustained from this fall, would that be a first in modern times? This makes Ms. Hodges Sylacauga wound seem minor in comparison. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: There are still 4 people in critical condition in the hospital there. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Mike, List, ...it doesn't mention them in the bible... Then they don't read their Bible (either): Joshua 10:11. And it came to pass, as they fled before Israel, and werer in the going down to Beth-Horon, that the Lord cast down into Azekah great stones from heaven upon them, and they died... There follows a second mention of the stones but it calls them hailstones. Strange, as the first reference is the word for 'rocks.' Perhaps they became instantly coated with frost as some meteorites have been observed to do. But great stones from heaven is as clear a description of meteorites as you can get in 1420 B.C.E. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com Cc: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and enjoy it. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Also, let's think about how much made it to the ground. If the numbers are correct, with ~500 kilotons of detonation, and 11,000 metric tons of mass, and lets say even if 99% vaporized in the explosion, that would leave 110 TONS of material on the ground! And I certainly do not believe that 99% vaporized. The very bright mass easily seen flying out of the terminal cloud in the videos is estimated by Russian scientists to have been at least 10 metric tons and flown 180-200 km past lake Chebarkul. By no means is that little hole in the lake the main mass. That should have survived intact since it was intact after the detonations and went into dark flight. It is now likely in the Ural Mountains. I think that piece might have made a nice little crater had it come down in the city. Michael Farmer Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Sadly the current crop of imbeciles in office are more interested in proving how early man rode T-REX dinosaurs and other such nonsense. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Mike, List, ...it doesn't mention them in the bible... Then they don't read their Bible (either): Joshua 10:11. And it came to pass, as they fled before Israel, and werer in the going down to Beth-Horon, that the Lord cast down into Azekah great stones from heaven upon them, and they died... There follows a second mention of the stones but it calls them hailstones. Strange, as the first reference is the word for 'rocks.' Perhaps they became instantly coated with frost as some meteorites have been observed to do. But great stones from heaven is as clear a description of meteorites as you can get in 1420 B.C.E. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com Cc: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and enjoy it. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Chris... It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. I spoke at some length about this with Mark Boslough, a Sandia Labs expect in airborne shock waves (read: bombs). he's the one who modeled Tunguska a few years ago: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/community/skyblog/newsblog/12662606.html what Mike Farmer says agrees with Boslough's assessment: had the impactor come in more vertically, its terminal burst would have been lower, and its shock wave (and fireball) would have been focused on the ground directly below, creating substantially more damage. details: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/Update-on-the-Russian-Mega-Meteor-195553631 .html clear skies, Kelly J. Kelly Beatty Senior Contributing Editor SKY TELESCOPE 617-416-9991 SkyandTelescope.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Didn't you see the videos of people being blown into walls by the shockwave? There are great surveillance videos showing people at the university being thrown against walls and blown down. If it can cave in building, it can sure hurt people. My hotel lost 25% of the windows and a maid was hospitalized with many glass cuts. Imagine of over Chicago or New York? Thousands likely dead from falling glass alone. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, Do you know any details on their injuries? Was the broken back a result of falling debris? I imagine flying glass wasn't responsible for the spine injury, but I could be wrong. And what about the other injuries? I don't recall hearing much about it in the media reports. A shame that people are clinging to life in ICU wards as a result of this event and we don't hear anything about them. Best regards, MikeG PS - if someone dies as a result of injuries sustained from this fall, would that be a first in modern times? This makes Ms. Hodges Sylacauga wound seem minor in comparison. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: There are still 4 people in critical condition in the hospital there. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at
[meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk alternate scenarios
Hi Mike, I think what Chris is saying is that if you kept the composition, mass and velocity the same on that asteroid, but had it come in at a steeper angle, the odds of generating large meteorites on the ground would have been lower rather than higher. It would have broken up at a higher altitude, so the shock wave would also have originated at a higher altitude -- presumably causing less damage. I think a shallower trajectory could have been potentially more damaging (not that there was much room to be shallower than it was), since it would have allowed gentler deceleration and deeper atmospheric penetration before breakup. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:11 PM To: Chris Peterson Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
I didn't see those videos. How the heck did I miss those? I did see alot of videos of the booms, broken glass, and the aftermath, but I didn't see any of people being blown around. Got a link to those? I wanna see those, even though I feel a little creepy wanting to watch that - the idea of people being hurt is terrible to me, but it's like a trainwreck and I wanna see. I did think about how the Russians in some of the videos seemed pretty nonchalant about the explosions. I think people here in the US would have been crapping themselves. No offense to the good ole USA, but the Russians are a little harder to scare. I hope I never see something like this first-hand. I admit, I would need to change my pants afterwards, if I survived. We really need to get some kind of detection network up and running, and then put together a viable plan of action if we ever need to interdict one of these objects on it's way to Earth again. Best regards, MikeG On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Didn't you see the videos of people being blown into walls by the shockwave? There are great surveillance videos showing people at the university being thrown against walls and blown down. If it can cave in building, it can sure hurt people. My hotel lost 25% of the windows and a maid was hospitalized with many glass cuts. Imagine of over Chicago or New York? Thousands likely dead from falling glass alone. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, Do you know any details on their injuries? Was the broken back a result of falling debris? I imagine flying glass wasn't responsible for the spine injury, but I could be wrong. And what about the other injuries? I don't recall hearing much about it in the media reports. A shame that people are clinging to life in ICU wards as a result of this event and we don't hear anything about them. Best regards, MikeG PS - if someone dies as a result of injuries sustained from this fall, would that be a first in modern times? This makes Ms. Hodges Sylacauga wound seem minor in comparison. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: There are still 4 people in critical condition in the hospital there. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
I am sure he will appreciate it since he has gutted NASA. Doesn't care one thing about science! * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:12 PM To: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Knowing our commander with some teeth it will be tossed in a drawer and forgotten about. Didn't Michael Casper give Hillary or Bill Clinton a piece? I haven't heard anything about that meteorite. I remember Michael Casper mentioned this apparently unappreciated gift on his website. Hopefully it will be appreciated for what it is or passed onto to somebody who will. Adam - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today It's unsettling that we have no system in place to detect objects of this size. It's time to stop wasting money on pointless pork and use that money to field a detection system for smaller objects like the Chelyabinsk meteoroid. We can detect most planet-killers, but these city-killers are all around us and we can't do a damn thing about it until it's too late. So out of curiosity, what happens to this donated meteorite? Does it go into a display case in the Oval Office? Does it go into the Smithsonian? Or does it get lumped in with the other gifts the president receives (into some obscure storage room at the State Dept)? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Yeah, the tea party sure is leaving lots of money laying around right? Stuart, you should re-attend school. The president executes laws. Congress and Senate write them. Any laws or taxes or budget cuts all originate in congress:) Perhaps to help NASA you could call your worthless congressmen and ask them to get back to work? The lack of education in the country scares me sometimes. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPho On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com wrote: I am sure he will appreciate it since he has gutted NASA. Doesn't care one thing about science! * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:12 PM To: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Knowing our commander with some teeth it will be tossed in a drawer and forgotten about. Didn't Michael Casper give Hillary or Bill Clinton a piece? I haven't heard anything about that meteorite. I remember Michael Casper mentioned this apparently unappreciated gift on his website. Hopefully it will be appreciated for what it is or passed onto to somebody who will. Adam - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today It's unsettling that we have no system in place to detect objects of this size. It's time to stop wasting money on pointless pork and use that money to field a detection system for smaller objects like the Chelyabinsk meteoroid. We can detect most planet-killers, but these city-killers are all around us and we can't do a damn thing about it until it's too late. So out of curiosity, what happens to this donated meteorite? Does it go into a display case in the Oval Office? Does it go into the Smithsonian? Or does it get lumped in with the other gifts the president receives (into some obscure storage room at the State Dept)? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Liveleak and YouTube. Google Chelyabinsk university and meteorite and you will see :) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't see those videos. How the heck did I miss those? I did see alot of videos of the booms, broken glass, and the aftermath, but I didn't see any of people being blown around. Got a link to those? I wanna see those, even though I feel a little creepy wanting to watch that - the idea of people being hurt is terrible to me, but it's like a trainwreck and I wanna see. I did think about how the Russians in some of the videos seemed pretty nonchalant about the explosions. I think people here in the US would have been crapping themselves. No offense to the good ole USA, but the Russians are a little harder to scare. I hope I never see something like this first-hand. I admit, I would need to change my pants afterwards, if I survived. We really need to get some kind of detection network up and running, and then put together a viable plan of action if we ever need to interdict one of these objects on it's way to Earth again. Best regards, MikeG On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Didn't you see the videos of people being blown into walls by the shockwave? There are great surveillance videos showing people at the university being thrown against walls and blown down. If it can cave in building, it can sure hurt people. My hotel lost 25% of the windows and a maid was hospitalized with many glass cuts. Imagine of over Chicago or New York? Thousands likely dead from falling glass alone. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, Do you know any details on their injuries? Was the broken back a result of falling debris? I imagine flying glass wasn't responsible for the spine injury, but I could be wrong. And what about the other injuries? I don't recall hearing much about it in the media reports. A shame that people are clinging to life in ICU wards as a result of this event and we don't hear anything about them. Best regards, MikeG PS - if someone dies as a result of injuries sustained from this fall, would that be a first in modern times? This makes Ms. Hodges Sylacauga wound seem minor in comparison. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: There are still 4 people in critical condition in the hospital there. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama
[meteorite-list] Terminal burst altitude vs. entry angle
Hi Kelly, ... what Mike Farmer says agrees with Boslough's assessment: had the impactor come in more vertically, its terminal burst would have been lower ... Since the dynamic pressure on the bolide is a function of the square of its velocity and the atmospheric density, it seems to me that a steeper entry angle must cause the body to break up at a higher altitude, not lower. A shallower entry angle allows the meteoroid more time to bleed off cosmic velocity in the thin upper atmosphere. With that lower velocity, the dynamic pressure that will cause breakup of the meteoroid does not occur until a lower altitude is reached where the atmospheric density is correspondingly higher. I *did*, however, fail to take into consideration the projected area aspect of the problem. In the more vertical case, the shockwave is projected into a smaller area; in essence, there is less volume available to absorb all that energy. That may be more than enough to outweigh the slightly higher breakup altitude. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Found this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RznHQKjWBSA Thanks for the heads-up on it Mike. I hadn't seen that one before. Too bad there was no sound, but the imagery is still scary. That one shot of people sitting on benches indoors near windows was indicative of lady luck. A couple of people get up from the bench to go outside and look, moments later the bench they were sitting on it showered with broken glass and debris. They would have been seriously injured or killed if they had remained in their seats. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Liveleak and YouTube. Google Chelyabinsk university and meteorite and you will see :) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't see those videos. How the heck did I miss those? I did see alot of videos of the booms, broken glass, and the aftermath, but I didn't see any of people being blown around. Got a link to those? I wanna see those, even though I feel a little creepy wanting to watch that - the idea of people being hurt is terrible to me, but it's like a trainwreck and I wanna see. I did think about how the Russians in some of the videos seemed pretty nonchalant about the explosions. I think people here in the US would have been crapping themselves. No offense to the good ole USA, but the Russians are a little harder to scare. I hope I never see something like this first-hand. I admit, I would need to change my pants afterwards, if I survived. We really need to get some kind of detection network up and running, and then put together a viable plan of action if we ever need to interdict one of these objects on it's way to Earth again. Best regards, MikeG On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Didn't you see the videos of people being blown into walls by the shockwave? There are great surveillance videos showing people at the university being thrown against walls and blown down. If it can cave in building, it can sure hurt people. My hotel lost 25% of the windows and a maid was hospitalized with many glass cuts. Imagine of over Chicago or New York? Thousands likely dead from falling glass alone. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, Do you know any details on their injuries? Was the broken back a result of falling debris? I imagine flying glass wasn't responsible for the spine injury, but I could be wrong. And what about the other injuries? I don't recall hearing much about it in the media reports. A shame that people are clinging to life in ICU wards as a result of this event and we don't hear anything about them. Best regards, MikeG PS - if someone dies as a result of injuries sustained from this fall, would that be a first in modern times? This makes Ms. Hodges Sylacauga wound seem minor in comparison. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: There are still 4 people in critical condition in the hospital there. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Really interesting video. I did notice that when the major flashes/bursts/explosions of the meteorite ends, it takes aproxamentally 11 seconds for the shock wave to hit. Any geniuses out there able to get a rough idea how far or high in the sky the meteorite was when it exploded? Sincerely Don Merchant - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Terminal burst altitude vs. entry angle
Hi Rob, All, I've always been fascinated with the Carancas event. Wasn't that a rewrite the books, rule breaker? What might the results have been had the Russian meteor acted in the same manner and hit a large city dead center? I doubt the locals would be running around picking up meteorites! Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: Kelly Beatty jkellybea...@comcast.net; Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:19 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Terminal burst altitude vs. entry angle Hi Kelly, ... what Mike Farmer says agrees with Boslough's assessment: had the impactor come in more vertically, its terminal burst would have been lower ... Since the dynamic pressure on the bolide is a function of the square of its velocity and the atmospheric density, it seems to me that a steeper entry angle must cause the body to break up at a higher altitude, not lower. A shallower entry angle allows the meteoroid more time to bleed off cosmic velocity in the thin upper atmosphere. With that lower velocity, the dynamic pressure that will cause breakup of the meteoroid does not occur until a lower altitude is reached where the atmospheric density is correspondingly higher. I *did*, however, fail to take into consideration the projected area aspect of the problem. In the more vertical case, the shockwave is projected into a smaller area; in essence, there is less volume available to absorb all that energy. That may be more than enough to outweigh the slightly higher breakup altitude. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Actually is is almost 1.5 minute to two minutes on most Clocks. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Really interesting video. I did notice that when the major flashes/bursts/explosions of the meteorite ends, it takes aproxamentally 11 seconds for the shock wave to hit. Any geniuses out there able to get a rough idea how far or high in the sky the meteorite was when it exploded? Sincerely Don Merchant - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Terminal burst altitude vs. entry angle
the only way for a low detonation of a small meteorite would be if it fell at a low angle like less than6 degrees so it could survive to penetrate deeper. a larger piece it wouldnt make any difference. cheers Steve --- On Tue, 3/26/13, Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com wrote: From: Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Terminal burst altitude vs. entry angle To: robert.d.mat...@saic.com, jkellybea...@comcast.net, c...@alumni.caltech.edu, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 3:38 AM Hi Rob, All, I've always been fascinated with the Carancas event. Wasn't that a rewrite the books, rule breaker? What might the results have been had the Russian meteor acted in the same manner and hit a large city dead center? I doubt the locals would be running around picking up meteorites! Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: Kelly Beatty jkellybea...@comcast.net; Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:19 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Terminal burst altitude vs. entry angle Hi Kelly, ... what Mike Farmer says agrees with Boslough's assessment: had the impactor come in more vertically, its terminal burst would have been lower ... Since the dynamic pressure on the bolide is a function of the square of its velocity and the atmospheric density, it seems to me that a steeper entry angle must cause the body to break up at a higher altitude, not lower. A shallower entry angle allows the meteoroid more time to bleed off cosmic velocity in the thin upper atmosphere. With that lower velocity, the dynamic pressure that will cause breakup of the meteoroid does not occur until a lower altitude is reached where the atmospheric density is correspondingly higher. I *did*, however, fail to take into consideration the projected area aspect of the problem. In the more vertical case, the shockwave is projected into a smaller area; in essence, there is less volume available to absorb all that energy. That may be more than enough to outweigh the slightly higher breakup altitude. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] From Russia (with love) - a contest with prizes!
Team Meteorite: In the last hours many list contributors have opined on the 'worth/value' and predicted availability of this latest and greatest meteorite fall occurring in Russia. Like every collector, I wish to eventually own a piece of the Chelyabinsk meteorite, who's dramatic escapade was captured so many times by dash-cams installed by drivers dedicated to thwarting the mischievous. Thanks to corrupt cops, really, really bad drivers and suicide-bent pedestrians, we have a library of video unrivaled in history. Some will argue (mostly sellers of meteorites) that this is a 'one off' event, and any specimens offered today demand a premium. This is true. Until the next time. As with stocks, real estate, Van Goghs and flea-market hubcaps, most of us want to 'buy low' even if we never intend to sell. Certainly, those who pay $50 or $70 or $1,000 a gram today will not love and respect their personal specimen as much a couple of years from now if they see dealers offering kilos of the same material @ $1/gram, Buy one get one free'. OK. I probably exaggerate. This we know. The MetBull predicts a TKW of 100-500kg. That's a whole lot of weight to move when offered on eBay as 0.12 gram micros starting at .01 cents, no reserve. As noted by a list member, and in a scary sign carelessly edited out of 'Revelations' confirming that the Apocalypse is near, Mike Farmer (his real name) agrees with Steve Anold (likely an alias) that Russian customs officials demanding your pay-pahs, please coupled with slushy snow will keep the pristine specimens, even the teeny-bit-of-rusty W=1 pieces off of the market, making for a 'firmer' price this moment until ? Steve articulates well his way around 'roll overs' and Michael has been there, done that, and his opinion demands respect. So I'll guess that for now, we best defer to these sound arguments. But marketing forces always prevail. The Russian border is porous. Capitalism will yet again raise its Keynesian head over the heavy fist of communism in the form of contraband. The Cossacks will ride again. And as interest wanes, and customs officials become less interested in what LEAVES Moscow and more interested in taxing imported flat screen TV's, every Russian dealer arriving in the 'free world' will be competing with his brethren price-wise (and for those hopers and dreamers, nothing is 'free' in the 'free world', that's an ironic political slogan). And for sure, any material brought to Tucson will never return to the Fatherland. Or Motherland, whatever. So For our fun and your profit, I will offer a prize to the person that publicly, on this very list, CORRECTLY PREDICTS THE AVERAGE PRICE PER GRAM of all types of Chelyabinsk specimens (average price determined from individuals, slices, primary crusted, secondary crusted, uncrusted, frags, oriented, disoriented, rollover lips, roll-under lips, hot lips, hot lips with holes, hot lips with facial decoration, oriented-with-holes-and-rollover hot lips, etc.) AS DETERMINED by my bi-annual survey of all qualified dealer's websites. AND, in case I need a tiebreaker, you MUST also mention how many dealers will offer this as sales inventory, both estimates as published on the internet by midnight calculated from my house in the mango grove, November 30, 2014. Example - US$5.25/gram, 18 dealers. Your prizes will be a copy of The Global Meteorite Price Report - 2015 as prepared by me, at least a $15 value depending upon the demise of the US$1, AND an ebook copy of The Art of Collecting Meteorites, presently on Amazon for $9.99 which just happens to describe the economics of meteorite pricing on p 70-71- When to buy. FYI - I am the messenger, not a genius in solving this 'pricing/value equation'. Nininger, Norton, Foote and Wulfing were my references. But hey, take a chance, win a prize, everyone likes a prize, especially when they don't even have to purchase a lottery ticket! Maybe there IS something FREE in the 'free world'. So the gauntlet is thrown. Contest entries must appear publicly on this Meteorite-Central bulletin board by midnight, Easter night, March 31 Eastern (USA) Daylight Savings Time to be considered. Limited to one entry per household. In case the winner 'expires' before the contest ends, his/her heirs/next of kin will be awarded the prizes. All taxes, duties and baksheesh are the responsibility of the winner. By submitting entries, contestants from Italy agree to play fair and accept the decision of the judge, me. Contestants from the People's Republic of China (begs the question, if it wasn't 'People' what WOULD it be) agree NEVER to invade my computer with spyware/malware/dishware and use it as a malicious robot tool to bring down the 'free world' (see comment re: free world above). For contestants protection, I will manually write down each and every submitted entry by the Easter egg deadline in case an even larger meteorite that makes us all forget Chelyabinsk impacts Art's meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
With the shot of the corridor 3 minutes in on the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RznHQKjWBSA there is an interval of around 2 Min 24 sec according to the video time signature. Note there is footage edited out between the flash and the bang. Assuming an average speed of sound as around 320 m/sec that would be 46 km distant. I'd guess you'd need similar data from 2 other locations to triangulate an altitude estimate for the explosion. An analysis of the shadow tracks is likely a more accurate route to the answer. Regards, John On 25/03/2013 21:31, Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Really interesting video. I did notice that when the major flashes/bursts/explosions of the meteorite ends, it takes aproxamentally 11 seconds for the shock wave to hit. Any geniuses out there able to get a rough idea how far or high in the sky the meteorite was when it exploded? Sincerely Don Merchant - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
It would be more accurate to say that around 100 people were injured more seriously than minor scrapes and cuts. What I'm saying is that I don't consider it likely that any different trajectory would have made this body significantly more dangerous; that a million dead is really, really unlikely. That not much made it to the ground from this exact event, and not much would have made it to the ground had it been slightly different. What I'm saying is that even if there were a more dangerous trajectory, so what? This body didn't do much damage. You might as well argue that DA14, on a different trajectory, would be dangerous. True enough, but it wasn't on a different trajectory, was it? There is a far greater chance of any small asteroid not causing damage than otherwise. What I'm saying is that while there are all sorts of interesting scientific reasons for detecting bodies like this, there isn't much of a public safety case to be made. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 8:10 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
The time delay between the airburst and the shock arriving at the ground, directly beneath the burst, was about 90 seconds (not 11), making the height about 28 km. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 10:31 PM, Don Merchant wrote: Really interesting video. I did notice that when the major flashes/bursts/explosions of the meteorite ends, it takes aproxamentally 11 seconds for the shock wave to hit. Any geniuses out there able to get a rough idea how far or high in the sky the meteorite was when it exploded? Sincerely Don Merchant __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] From Russia (with love) - a contest with prizes!
Great idea Kevin! I'll go first and guess $30.00 a gram / 12 dealers. Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:17 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] From Russia (with love) - a contest with prizes! Team Meteorite: In the last hours many list contributors have opined on the 'worth/value' and predicted availability of this latest and greatest meteorite fall occurring in Russia. Like every collector, I wish to eventually own a piece of the Chelyabinsk meteorite, who's dramatic escapade was captured so many times by dash-cams installed by drivers dedicated to thwarting the mischievous. Thanks to corrupt cops, really, really bad drivers and suicide-bent pedestrians, we have a library of video unrivaled in history. Some will argue (mostly sellers of meteorites) that this is a 'one off' event, and any specimens offered today demand a premium. This is true. Until the next time. As with stocks, real estate, Van Goghs and flea-market hubcaps, most of us want to 'buy low' even if we never intend to sell. Certainly, those who pay $50 or $70 or $1,000 a gram today will not love and respect their personal specimen as much a couple of years from now if they see dealers offering kilos of the same material @ $1/gram, Buy one get one free'. OK. I probably exaggerate. This we know. The MetBull predicts a TKW of 100-500kg. That's a whole lot of weight to move when offered on eBay as 0.12 gram micros starting at .01 cents, no reserve. As noted by a list member, and in a scary sign carelessly edited out of 'Revelations' confirming that the Apocalypse is near, Mike Farmer (his real name) agrees with Steve Anold (likely an alias) that Russian customs officials demanding your pay-pahs, please coupled with slushy snow will keep the pristine specimens, even the teeny-bit-of-rusty W=1 pieces off of the market, making for a 'firmer' price this moment until ? Steve articulates well his way around 'roll overs' and Michael has been there, done that, and his opinion demands respect. So I'll guess that for now, we best defer to these sound arguments. But marketing forces always prevail. The Russian border is porous. Capitalism will yet again raise its Keynesian head over the heavy fist of communism in the form of contraband. The Cossacks will ride again. And as interest wanes, and customs officials become less interested in what LEAVES Moscow and more interested in taxing imported flat screen TV's, every Russian dealer arriving in the 'free world' will be competing with his brethren price-wise (and for those hopers and dreamers, nothing is 'free' in the 'free world', that's an ironic political slogan). And for sure, any material brought to Tucson will never return to the Fatherland. Or Motherland, whatever. So For our fun and your profit, I will offer a prize to the person that publicly, on this very list, CORRECTLY PREDICTS THE AVERAGE PRICE PER GRAM of all types of Chelyabinsk specimens (average price determined from individuals, slices, primary crusted, secondary crusted, uncrusted, frags, oriented, disoriented, rollover lips, roll-under lips, hot lips, hot lips with holes, hot lips with facial decoration, oriented-with-holes-and-rollover hot lips, etc.) AS DETERMINED by my bi-annual survey of all qualified dealer's websites. AND, in case I need a tiebreaker, you MUST also mention how many dealers will offer this as sales inventory, both estimates as published on the internet by midnight calculated from my house in the mango grove, November 30, 2014. Example - US$5.25/gram, 18 dealers. Your prizes will be a copy of The Global Meteorite Price Report - 2015 as prepared by me, at least a $15 value depending upon the demise of the US$1, AND an ebook copy of The Art of Collecting Meteorites, presently on Amazon for $9.99 which just happens to describe the economics of meteorite pricing on p 70-71- When to buy. FYI - I am the messenger, not a genius in solving this 'pricing/value equation'. Nininger, Norton, Foote and Wulfing were my references. But hey, take a chance, win a prize, everyone likes a prize, especially when they don't even have to purchase a lottery ticket! Maybe there IS something FREE in the 'free world'. So the gauntlet is thrown. Contest entries must appear publicly on this Meteorite-Central bulletin board by midnight, Easter night, March 31 Eastern (USA) Daylight Savings Time to be considered. Limited to one entry per household. In case the winner 'expires' before the contest ends, his/her heirs/next of kin will be awarded the prizes. All taxes, duties and baksheesh are the responsibility of the winner. By submitting entries, contestants from Italy agree to play fair and accept the decision of the judge, me. Contestants from the People's Republic of China (begs the question, if it wasn't 'People' what WOULD it be) agree NEVER to
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
While I have great respect for Boslough's modeling of large impactors, I'm not convinced his models are really optimized for such small bodies as this one. More to the point, his models typically start with hypothetical values for the material properties of the bodies, and then calculate their atmospheric dynamics. I don't think the material properties of this body have been well enough established at this point to make much more than an educated guess about the sort of behavior we would have seen were the path somewhat different. In fact, a steeper angle might also have resulted in a higher detonation. The actual shock wave appears to have dissipated very quickly, as we'd expect from such a small total energy. Understand, I'm not saying Boslough is wrong, only that I remain skeptical of any strong conclusions until a good deal more analysis takes place, and a good deal more is known about the body that exploded over Chelyabinsk. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 8:31 PM, Kelly Beatty wrote: Chris... It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. I spoke at some length about this with Mark Boslough, a Sandia Labs expect in airborne shock waves (read: bombs). he's the one who modeled Tunguska a few years ago: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/community/skyblog/newsblog/12662606.html what Mike Farmer says agrees with Boslough's assessment: had the impactor come in more vertically, its terminal burst would have been lower, and its shock wave (and fireball) would have been focused on the ground directly below, creating substantially more damage. details: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/Update-on-the-Russian-Mega-Meteor-195553631 .html clear skies, Kelly __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: From Russia (with love) - a contest withprizes!
I predict US$ 7.00 / gram 12 dealers Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] In Tucson April 4 through April 7
Well another business trip is coming up but this one is much closer to home and my meteoritic interests. I have had such amazing response in my travels, why not continue the hot streak. I will be in Tucson on April 4 to visit Freescale in Tempe. My meetings will be done by 5pm or 6pm max. Anyone interested in going to dinner let me know. I will be taking the day off on Friday and am finalizing my schedule now. At a minimum, I should again be available for dinner. Now for the big ask. If anyone is going to hunt Franconia on Saturday and wants company, I would really enjoy a trip out there as I would love to find my own SAW 005 or Franconia. I'll be returning home on Sunday. I have not made reservations, so I am very flexible at this point. Best, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] From Russia (with love) - a contest with prizes!
US $50 gram. 50 dealers. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com wrote: Team Meteorite: In the last hours many list contributors have opined on the 'worth/value' and predicted availability of this latest and greatest meteorite fall occurring in Russia. Like every collector, I wish to eventually own a piece of the Chelyabinsk meteorite, who's dramatic escapade was captured so many times by dash-cams installed by drivers dedicated to thwarting the mischievous. Thanks to corrupt cops, really, really bad drivers and suicide-bent pedestrians, we have a library of video unrivaled in history. Some will argue (mostly sellers of meteorites) that this is a 'one off' event, and any specimens offered today demand a premium. This is true. Until the next time. As with stocks, real estate, Van Goghs and flea-market hubcaps, most of us want to 'buy low' even if we never intend to sell. Certainly, those who pay $50 or $70 or $1,000 a gram today will not love and respect their personal specimen as much a couple of years from now if they see dealers offering kilos of the same material @ $1/gram, Buy one get one free'. OK. I probably exaggerate. This we know. The MetBull predicts a TKW of 100-500kg. That's a whole lot of weight to move when offered on eBay as 0.12 gram micros starting at .01 cents, no reserve. As noted by a list member, and in a scary sign carelessly edited out of 'Revelations' confirming that the Apocalypse is near, Mike Farmer (his real name) agrees with Steve Anold (likely an alias) that Russian customs officials demanding your pay-pahs, please coupled with slushy snow will keep the pristine specimens, even the teeny-bit-of-rusty W=1 pieces off of the market, making for a 'firmer' price this moment until ? Steve articulates well his way around 'roll overs' and Michael has been there, done that, and his opinion demands respect. So I'll guess that for now, we best defer to these sound arguments. But marketing forces always prevail. The Russian border is porous. Capitalism will yet again raise its Keynesian head over the heavy fist of communism in the form of contraband. The Cossacks will ride again. And as interest wanes, and customs officials become less interested in what LEAVES Moscow and more interested in taxing imported flat screen TV's, every Russian dealer arriving in the 'free world' will be competing with his brethren price-wise (and for those hopers and dreamers, nothing is 'free' in the 'free world', that's an ironic political slogan). And for sure, any material brought to Tucson will never return to the Fatherland. Or Motherland, whatever. So For our fun and your profit, I will offer a prize to the person that publicly, on this very list, CORRECTLY PREDICTS THE AVERAGE PRICE PER GRAM of all types of Chelyabinsk specimens (average price determined from individuals, slices, primary crusted, secondary crusted, uncrusted, frags, oriented, disoriented, rollover lips, roll-under lips, hot lips, hot lips with holes, hot lips with facial decoration, oriented-with-holes-and-rollover hot lips, etc.) AS DETERMINED by my bi-annual survey of all qualified dealer's websites. AND, in case I need a tiebreaker, you MUST also mention how many dealers will offer this as sales inventory, both estimates as published on the internet by midnight calculated from my house in the mango grove, November 30, 2014. Example - US$5.25/gram, 18 dealers. Your prizes will be a copy of The Global Meteorite Price Report - 2015 as prepared by me, at least a $15 value depending upon the demise of the US$1, AND an ebook copy of The Art of Collecting Meteorites, presently on Amazon for $9.99 which just happens to describe the economics of meteorite pricing on p 70-71- When to buy. FYI - I am the messenger, not a genius in solving this 'pricing/value equation'. Nininger, Norton, Foote and Wulfing were my references. But hey, take a chance, win a prize, everyone likes a prize, especially when they don't even have to purchase a lottery ticket! Maybe there IS something FREE in the 'free world'. So the gauntlet is thrown. Contest entries must appear publicly on this Meteorite-Central bulletin board by midnight, Easter night, March 31 Eastern (USA) Daylight Savings Time to be considered. Limited to one entry per household. In case the winner 'expires' before the contest ends, his/her heirs/next of kin will be awarded the prizes. All taxes, duties and baksheesh are the responsibility of the winner. By submitting entries, contestants from Italy agree to play fair and accept the decision of the judge, me. Contestants from the People's Republic of China (begs the question, if it wasn't 'People' what WOULD it be) agree NEVER to invade my computer with spyware/malware/dishware and use it as a malicious robot tool to bring down the 'free world' (see comment re: free world
[meteorite-list] eBay listing with 3 different weights
Hi List. Am I seeing things or does this Seller have 3 different weight sizes listed for this specimen of Norton County. Check the Card out in the pics for the weight as well. Hmmm what are you getting! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Norton-County-meteorite-individual-5-1-grams-/330895968130?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4d0aefc782 Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
