Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson
Fuyu was the working name of Songyuan, which is official. Matt On February 3, 2015 2:20:42 AM MST, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: I'm forwarding a message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection, that he will be in Tucson later this week and will be making available some specimens from that collection. Here is a short list of some of the specimens being offered for trade or sale: ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good Corner slice. (SMB) ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g. Individual. Fell 2-11-2002 ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good Slice ID# 55) Fuyu, (proposed name) Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite, H5 13.75 g. Part-slice. Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites) ID# 56) Hebron Stone H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part slice. Thayer Co. Nebraska ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4 S2 W2 1.272 g. Good endcut, nice fusion crust. ID# 79) Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3 12.622 g. V. Good - Rectangular slice. ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick complete slice. ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good Quarter circle slice. The curators contact information will not be known until after he arrives in Tucson. In the meanwhile, if you are interested in making an offer or trade, you can reply to me and I will relay your messages. Bob Verish __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites PO Box 151293 Lakewood CO 80215 USA http://www.mhmeteorites.com Find Us on Facebook __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson
The only actual curator would be Jim Hartman, Ron's son. I worked with Jim over the course of 12 months to acquire a large amount of the collection. I know of 3 other people who also bought from Jim. The only thing I am calling myself is grateful. A fair number of these pieces will remain in my collection forever like my 32.5kg Campo, 13kg Canyon Diablo found by Ron himself and 20g slice of Thiel Mountain an Antarctic pallasite, to name a few. My only regret is that I never got a chance to meet this great man. I have been selling some of his collection and will continue to do so. I will also continue to buy old collections, so if anyone is considering doing so then let me know. Best, Mendy Ouzillou On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:20 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: I'm forwarding a message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection, that he will be in Tucson later this week and will be making available some specimens from that collection. Here is a short list of some of the specimens being offered for trade or sale: ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good Corner slice. (SMB) ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g. Individual. Fell 2-11-2002 ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good Slice ID# 55) Fuyu, (proposed name) Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite, H5 13.75 g. Part-slice. Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites) ID# 56) Hebron Stone H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part slice. Thayer Co. Nebraska ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4 S2 W2 1.272 g. Good endcut, nice fusion crust. ID# 79) Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3 12.622 g. V. Good - Rectangular slice. ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick complete slice. ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good Quarter circle slice. The curators contact information will not be known until after he arrives in Tucson. In the meanwhile, if you are interested in making an offer or trade, you can reply to me and I will relay your messages. Bob Verish __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Australian Monash University Meteorite Recovery Program is under threat
Hi Ian, Well said. I agree that Australia should protect it's borders to prevent massive outflow of meteorites to foreign destinations - one could argue the dynamic of it, but in the end, the meteorites end up leaving and most don't come back. But, the government should not deter it's own citizens from finding them. By allowing private hunters (Australian hunters) to keep their finds, or at least get fair value for them, then everybody comes out a winner. Canada keeps a tight lid on things, but they also compensate private hunters in a way that is mostly considered fair. Their method appears to be working. Best regards, MikeG On 2/3/15, ian macleod via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Hi all. In response to MikeG But, one has to wonder - if Australia's laws were not so restrictive, private hunters would be recovering and classifying more Australian meteorites than the scientists would have time to examine. I could not agree more in regards to state laws and regulations. National Heritage laws in regards to meteorite exportthat's a different matter. I think that a country should be able to protect meteorites found on its soil. Imagine someone jumping your fence and stealing a meteorite off of your lawn? Well Australia is a complicated land lacking in resources sometimes to classify meteorites. In the long history of things you will find that our laws in part stemmed from the poor actions of certain Americans that chose not to respect a particular state Museum. So the actions of a few have effected all. I have it on good authority from more than one source that meteorites are being stolen out of Australia and then being miss classified with incorrect locations and names. We need as a international community re-earn the trust of the officials here if we are as a community to slow the trend of state monopoly ownership of meteorites We need to be less worried about the bottom line and more about science Kind Regards Ian 8013 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson
Wow, so super secret that this curator has to be anonymous? Strange email. Michael Farmer On Feb 3, 2015, at 2:20 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: I'm forwarding a message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection, that he will be in Tucson later this week and will be making available some specimens from that collection. Here is a short list of some of the specimens being offered for trade or sale: ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good Corner slice. (SMB) ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g. Individual. Fell 2-11-2002 ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good Slice ID# 55) Fuyu, (proposed name) Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite, H5 13.75 g. Part-slice. Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites) ID# 56) Hebron Stone H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part slice. Thayer Co. Nebraska ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4 S2 W2 1.272 g. Good endcut, nice fusion crust. ID# 79) Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3 12.622 g. V. Good - Rectangular slice. ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick complete slice. ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good Quarter circle slice. The curators contact information will not be known until after he arrives in Tucson. In the meanwhile, if you are interested in making an offer or trade, you can reply to me and I will relay your messages. Bob Verish __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Ensisheim, Peekskill, MOSS, Sylacauga, Valera more ending TUE/WED 530pm EST on EBAY!
Hello Listers Thank you for taking a look at my post of meteorites I have for sale on eBay. Here is your chance to own some rare and historic meteorites. Please take a look and if you have any questions or OFFERS /or TRADES, please email me and I'll get back with you. Lastly, if you are looking for bigger/smaller meteorites, let me know too. A meteorite is a meteorite, but a meteorite with history legacy, will always add aura to your meteorite collection and value. ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html Featured Auctions PEEKSKILL meteorite HAMMER STONE FALL car smasher 1992 New York - RARE http://www.ebay.com/itm/251812962060?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 SYLACAUGA meteorite, Mrs. Hodges Meteorite Strike - Extremely Rare! - IMCA 1633! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251812969092?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 L'AIGLE Historic meteorite-1803 France-Helped proved meteorite falls-IMCA 1633 http://www.ebay.com/itm/251817025382?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 DIEP RIVER historic HAMMER STONE 59mg meteorite Very Rare South Africa-IMCA 1633 http://www.ebay.com/itm/251817053059?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 St. Louis meteorite ultra rare HAMMER STONE hitting a moving car 1950 IMCA-1633 http://www.ebay.com/itm/261753645228?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Segowlie rare India 160mg meteorite fall fell 1853 – TKW 6.93 kg - IMCA 1633 http://www.ebay.com/itm/261756029526?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 ENSISHEIM very RARE meteorite fall from 1492 - 1st fall from France - IMCA 1633 http://www.ebay.com/itm/261726259128?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 NWA 8534 CM1/2 1g LOT Meteorite EXTREMELY RARE CLASS - 60g TKW - IMCA 1633 http://www.ebay.com/itm/251803931769?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html Website http://meteoritefalls.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Aging Mars Rover Opportunity Could Be Shut Down
http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/02/03/aging-mars-rover-could-be-shut-down/ Aging Mars rover could be shut down by Stephen Clark SpaceFlight Now February 3, 2015 NASA's Opportunity Mars rover and Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, working well past their expected lifetimes, could be shut down in fiscal year 2016 as the agency tries to balance funding for older missions and development of modernized new space probes, officials said Monday. Facing bouts of trouble with its flash memory drive, the six-wheeled Opportunity rover marked 11 years on Mars on Jan. 24. The mission was designed to last three months. The spending proposal released by the Obama administration Monday requests no money for the Opportunity rover in fiscal year 2016, which begins Sept. 30. Opportunity's line was also zero in the White House's budget request last year, but NASA found funding and the mission received a two-year extension after a recommendation from an independent scientific review board. It's true that the '16 request does zero out funding for Mars Opportunity in 2016 and assumes that it ceases operations, said David Radzanowski, NASA's chief financial officer. We will assess on-going Opportunity operations this summer in 2015 and potentially identify funds for the potential continuation of operations for Opportunity. This is not a guarantee that we will do that. The rover has showed signs of aging in recent months, and ground controllers briefly lost contact with Opportunity in December. The craft's non-volatile flash memory, which stores data when the rover goes to sleep at night, is wearing out after more than a decade on the red planet. There are limits to how many times controllers can write and erase data on the flash memory system, and engineers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory are coaxing the rover along while they work on a potential long-term fix. The mission's operations team has adopted a tactic of avoiding use of the flash memory, while they prepare a software remedy to restore its capability, JPL said in a press release issued in January. The software solution would block off the portion of the memory causing problems, allowing the rover to again use the rest of the flash system. Without the use of the onboard memory, it cannot store images or other data overnight, the press release said. While operating in a no-flash mode, the mission is downloading each days data before beginning the overnight sleep. The fix for the flash memory requires a change to the rover's flight software, so we are conducting extensive testing to be sure it will not lead to any unintended consequences for rover operations, said John Callas, project manager for Opportunity at JPL. If Opportunity is healthy and still generating worthy science results, the mission could get a reprieve. We will look at continuing operations of those activities and finding ways to fund them if, in fact, they actually are operational by 2016, and the science value does make sense, Radzanowski said. Opportunity reached a high vista on the rim of the 14-mile-wide Endeavour Crater on Jan. 6, completing the drive without the use of the rover's flash memory. Its next stop is a region named Marathon Valley where observations from orbiting satellites show signs of minerals that may have been exposed to water long ago. The rover has logged nearly 26 miles of driving since it landed on Mars in January 2004, farther than any craft has traveled on another world. The Marathon Valley site got its name because Opportunity will have driven the equivalent distance of a marathon on Mars by the time it arrives. Opportunity has sent back more than 200,000 images from the surface of Mars. NASA last heard from its twin rover Spirit in 2010 after it got stuck in a sand pit with its power-generating solar panels tilted away from the sun. It lost power in the Martian winter, and cold temperatures may have damaged sensitive components on the rover. The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is also under the budget ax. The spacecraft launched in June 2009 and mapped the moon in greater detail than any mission before. At some point, we'll look at its operations and identify whether we will be able to continue (operating it) in 2016, Radzanowski told reporters Monday. NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter, the longest-lived mission ever to visit the red planet, is slated to receive funding in fiscal year 2016, but its budget could be cut to zero in 2017. Radzanowski said NASA must decide whether to pour resources into aging missions or pay for construction of new spacecraft capable of more innovative scientific research. What you're looking at is tension you have in any activity that has operations and development, Radzanowski said. You have to make trades between funding new activities and new development of missions that bring new cutting edge science versus taking advantage of something that's operating well and also
Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson
Yes, it is common knowledge that Ron's son, Jim, sold many of the meteorites from his father's collection. So, it MAY be that Jim was the executor of the estate, but in no way would I call Jim the curator. But that is in the past. I'm just the messenger here, but what I do know for certain is that the owner of the R.N. Collection is Ron's wife, Petra Hartman. I know that she has designated (in a notarized letter) a friend of the family to be in charge of the collection. He has agreed in writing: that he will not be paid for this work - not for labor, nor for expenses. This is the person that I am calling the present curator. By the way, I am also volunteering my time and effort with this collection pro bono at the request of the curator (and as a friend of the family). So, forgive me if I show little patience with all of these distractions. Reader's of this List should take note that I have clearly stated what I know to be fact from those statements which are only to the best of my knowledge. Too many posts to this List are stating conjecture and opinion (promoting an agenda) as if it were actual fact. This is not to reflect on those who have replied to this thread. But recent threads have been perfect examples. Personal agendas about the meteorite market, the Tucson Show, the BLM, and Nevada meteorites have been shown to have no basis in reality, let alone in fact. This is resulting in a great deal of misinformation. What I find worse is that obviously untrue statements are going unchallenged. With the sole exception of Mike Farmer, nobody is questioning these posts for their basis in fact. Whoa!! Just saw all of the replies about my post. Gotta go; no more time left for dispelling rumors... Bob V. On Tue, 2/3/15, Gmail via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson To: Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteoritecentral List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2015, 7:11 AM The only actual curator would be Jim Hartman, Ron's son. I worked with Jim over the course of 12 months to acquire a large amount of the collection. I know of 3 other people who also bought from Jim. The only thing I am calling myself is grateful. A fair number of these pieces will remain in my collection forever like my 32.5kg Campo, 13kg Canyon Diablo found by Ron himself and 20g slice of Thiel Mountain an Antarctic pallasite, to name a few. My only regret is that I never got a chance to meet this great man. I have been selling some of his collection and will continue to do so. I will also continue to buy old collections, so if anyone is considering doing so then let me know. Best, Mendy Ouzillou On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:20 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: I'm forwarding a message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection, that he will be in Tucson later this week and will be making available some specimens from that collection. Here is a short list of some of the specimens being offered for trade or sale: ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good Corner slice. (SMB) ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g. Individual. Fell 2-11-2002 ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good Slice ID# 55) Songyuan [label has printed: Fuyu, (proposed name)] Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite, H5 13.75 g. Part-slice. Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites) ID# 56) Hebron Stone H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part slice. Thayer Co. Nebraska ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4 S2 W2 1.272 g. Good endcut, nice fusion crust. [On HOLD] ID# 79) Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3 12.622 g. V. Good - Rectangular slice. ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick complete slice. ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good quarter-circle slice. The curators contact information will not be known until after he arrives in Tucson. In the meanwhile, if you are interested in making an offer or trade, you can reply to me and I will relay your messages. Bob Verish __ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson
Bob Versih Stated: But recent threads have been perfect examples. Personal agendas about the meteorite market, the Tucson Show, the BLM, and Nevada meteorites have been shown to have no basis in reality, let alone in fact. This is resulting in a great deal of misinformation. * If you are referring to me in some of this diatribe, these statements are based on fact. I have no dog in this fight. Just calling things as I see them. I will not hesitate to expose tuff issues, B.S. and those who rip others off. I just call it as I see it! There is a piece on the 5:00 news tonight about the BLM trying to pull off another land grab in Nye County, Nevada. This after trying to remove 12 million acres out circulation in Alaska! The BLM is closing roads and trails at an incredible rate including those here in my yard in Clark County, Nevada! What ever for? The State of Nevada and Water Resource Engineers sided with me after I opened a case against a corporation for violating my land owner rights and trespassing. This corporation invaded my ranch in Washoe County by installing a 2000' foot plus canal and dam on my property, without an easement, before an application for a permit was even submitted. The greedy group diverted billions of gallons of water from a creek, a spring and a tributary on my ranch into a reservoir so that they could charge other ranchers. This water used to reach other ranches unobstructed and for free. The only thing I am asking is for them to restore my property to its original pristine condition and let the water flow unobstructed as it did before their intrusion. It will be fun to see the dam being blown and the canal buried over now that they have no legal leg to stand on. I have no problem with local government, especially when they are doing their jobs. My problem is when people or corporations have no respect for others property. In then there is a thing called governmental overregulation!. Adam - Original Message - From: Robert Verish via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: Meteoritecentral List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Gmail mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson Yes, it is common knowledge that Ron's son, Jim, sold many of the meteorites from his father's collection. So, it MAY be that Jim was the executor of the estate, but in no way would I call Jim the curator. But that is in the past. I'm just the messenger here, but what I do know for certain is that the owner of the R.N. Collection is Ron's wife, Petra Hartman. I know that she has designated (in a notarized letter) a friend of the family to be in charge of the collection. He has agreed in writing: that he will not be paid for this work - not for labor, nor for expenses. This is the person that I am calling the present curator. By the way, I am also volunteering my time and effort with this collection pro bono at the request of the curator (and as a friend of the family). So, forgive me if I show little patience with all of these distractions. Reader's of this List should take note that I have clearly stated what I know to be fact from those statements which are only to the best of my knowledge. Too many posts to this List are stating conjecture and opinion (promoting an agenda) as if it were actual fact. This is not to reflect on those who have replied to this thread. But recent threads have been perfect examples. Personal agendas about the meteorite market, the Tucson Show, the BLM, and Nevada meteorites have been shown to have no basis in reality, let alone in fact. This is resulting in a great deal of misinformation. What I find worse is that obviously untrue statements are going unchallenged. With the sole exception of Mike Farmer, nobody is questioning these posts for their basis in fact. Whoa!! Just saw all of the replies about my post. Gotta go; no more time left for dispelling rumors... Bob V. On Tue, 2/3/15, Gmail via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson To: Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteoritecentral List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2015, 7:11 AM The only actual curator would be Jim Hartman, Ron's son. I worked with Jim over the course of 12 months to acquire a large amount of the collection. I know of 3 other people who also bought from Jim. The only thing I am calling myself is grateful. A fair number of these pieces will remain in my collection forever like my 32.5kg Campo, 13kg Canyon Diablo found by Ron himself and 20g
Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson
It is just a very strange post. I'm not questioning the validity or facts, but selling of some small pieces and not naming the person trying to sell them looks strange to me. So we are awaiting a mystery curator to show up and offer some pieces. Michael Farmer On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Yes, it is common knowledge that Ron's son, Jim, sold many of the meteorites from his father's collection. So, it MAY be that Jim was the executor of the estate, but in no way would I call Jim the curator. But that is in the past. I'm just the messenger here, but what I do know for certain is that the owner of the R.N. Collection is Ron's wife, Petra Hartman. I know that she has designated (in a notarized letter) a friend of the family to be in charge of the collection. He has agreed in writing: that he will not be paid for this work - not for labor, nor for expenses. This is the person that I am calling the present curator. By the way, I am also volunteering my time and effort with this collection pro bono at the request of the curator (and as a friend of the family). So, forgive me if I show little patience with all of these distractions. Reader's of this List should take note that I have clearly stated what I know to be fact from those statements which are only to the best of my knowledge. Too many posts to this List are stating conjecture and opinion (promoting an agenda) as if it were actual fact. This is not to reflect on those who have replied to this thread. But recent threads have been perfect examples. Personal agendas about the meteorite market, the Tucson Show, the BLM, and Nevada meteorites have been shown to have no basis in reality, let alone in fact. This is resulting in a great deal of misinformation. What I find worse is that obviously untrue statements are going unchallenged. With the sole exception of Mike Farmer, nobody is questioning these posts for their basis in fact. Whoa!! Just saw all of the replies about my post. Gotta go; no more time left for dispelling rumors... Bob V. On Tue, 2/3/15, Gmail via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson To: Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteoritecentral List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2015, 7:11 AM The only actual curator would be Jim Hartman, Ron's son. I worked with Jim over the course of 12 months to acquire a large amount of the collection. I know of 3 other people who also bought from Jim. The only thing I am calling myself is grateful. A fair number of these pieces will remain in my collection forever like my 32.5kg Campo, 13kg Canyon Diablo found by Ron himself and 20g slice of Thiel Mountain an Antarctic pallasite, to name a few. My only regret is that I never got a chance to meet this great man. I have been selling some of his collection and will continue to do so. I will also continue to buy old collections, so if anyone is considering doing so then let me know. Best, Mendy Ouzillou On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:20 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: I'm forwarding a message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection, that he will be in Tucson later this week and will be making available some specimens from that collection. Here is a short list of some of the specimens being offered for trade or sale: ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good Corner slice. (SMB) ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g. Individual. Fell 2-11-2002 ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good Slice ID# 55) Songyuan [label has printed: Fuyu, (proposed name)] Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite, H5 13.75 g. Part-slice. Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites) ID# 56) Hebron Stone H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part slice. Thayer Co. Nebraska ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4 S2 W2 1.272 g. Good endcut, nice fusion crust. [On HOLD] ID# 79) Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3 12.622 g. V. Good - Rectangular slice. ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick complete slice. ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good quarter-circle slice. The curators contact information will not be known until after he arrives in Tucson. In the meanwhile, if you are interested in making an offer or trade, you can reply to me and I will relay your messages. Bob Verish __ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson
What's the suite number that he rented ? Curiousator Walter J Paleski On Feb 3, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: It is just a very strange post. I'm not questioning the validity or facts, but selling of some small pieces and not naming the person trying to sell them looks strange to me. So we are awaiting a mystery curator to show up and offer some pieces. Michael Farmer On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Yes, it is common knowledge that Ron's son, Jim, sold many of the meteorites from his father's collection. So, it MAY be that Jim was the executor of the estate, but in no way would I call Jim the curator. But that is in the past. I'm just the messenger here, but what I do know for certain is that the owner of the R.N. Collection is Ron's wife, Petra Hartman. I know that she has designated (in a notarized letter) a friend of the family to be in charge of the collection. He has agreed in writing: that he will not be paid for this work - not for labor, nor for expenses. This is the person that I am calling the present curator. By the way, I am also volunteering my time and effort with this collection pro bono at the request of the curator (and as a friend of the family). So, forgive me if I show little patience with all of these distractions. Reader's of this List should take note that I have clearly stated what I know to be fact from those statements which are only to the best of my knowledge. Too many posts to this List are stating conjecture and opinion (promoting an agenda) as if it were actual fact. This is not to reflect on those who have replied to this thread. But recent threads have been perfect examples. Personal agendas about the meteorite market, the Tucson Show, the BLM, and Nevada meteorites have been shown to have no basis in reality, let alone in fact. This is resulting in a great deal of misinformation. What I find worse is that obviously untrue statements are going unchallenged. With the sole exception of Mike Farmer, nobody is questioning these posts for their basis in fact. Whoa!! Just saw all of the replies about my post. Gotta go; no more time left for dispelling rumors... Bob V. On Tue, 2/3/15, Gmail via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson To: Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteoritecentral List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2015, 7:11 AM The only actual curator would be Jim Hartman, Ron's son. I worked with Jim over the course of 12 months to acquire a large amount of the collection. I know of 3 other people who also bought from Jim. The only thing I am calling myself is grateful. A fair number of these pieces will remain in my collection forever like my 32.5kg Campo, 13kg Canyon Diablo found by Ron himself and 20g slice of Thiel Mountain an Antarctic pallasite, to name a few. My only regret is that I never got a chance to meet this great man. I have been selling some of his collection and will continue to do so. I will also continue to buy old collections, so if anyone is considering doing so then let me know. Best, Mendy Ouzillou On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:20 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: I'm forwarding a message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection, that he will be in Tucson later this week and will be making available some specimens from that collection. Here is a short list of some of the specimens being offered for trade or sale: ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good Corner slice. (SMB) ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g. Individual. Fell 2-11-2002 ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good Slice ID# 55) Songyuan [label has printed: Fuyu, (proposed name)] Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite, H5 13.75 g. Part-slice. Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites) ID# 56) Hebron Stone H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part slice. Thayer Co. Nebraska ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4 S2 W2 1.272 g. Good endcut, nice fusion crust. [On HOLD] ID# 79) Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3 12.622 g. V. Good - Rectangular slice. ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick complete slice. ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good quarter-circle slice. The curators contact information will not be known until after he arrives in Tucson. In the meanwhile, if you are interested in making an offer or trade, you can reply to me and I will relay your messages. Bob Verish __
Re: [meteorite-list] Australian Monash University Meteorite Recovery Program is under threat
Hi all. In response to MikeG But, one has to wonder - if Australia's laws were not so restrictive, private hunters would be recovering and classifying more Australian meteorites than the scientists would have time to examine. I could not agree more in regards to state laws and regulations. National Heritage laws in regards to meteorite exportthat's a different matter. I think that a country should be able to protect meteorites found on its soil. Imagine someone jumping your fence and stealing a meteorite off of your lawn? Well Australia is a complicated land lacking in resources sometimes to classify meteorites. In the long history of things you will find that our laws in part stemmed from the poor actions of certain Americans that chose not to respect a particular state Museum. So the actions of a few have effected all. I have it on good authority from more than one source that meteorites are being stolen out of Australia and then being miss classified with incorrect locations and names. We need as a international community re-earn the trust of the officials here if we are as a community to slow the trend of state monopoly ownership of meteorites We need to be less worried about the bottom line and more about science Kind Regards Ian 8013 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson
I'm forwarding a message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection, that he will be in Tucson later this week and will be making available some specimens from that collection. Here is a short list of some of the specimens being offered for trade or sale: ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good Corner slice. (SMB) ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g. Individual. Fell 2-11-2002 ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good Slice ID# 55) Fuyu, (proposed name) Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite, H5 13.75 g. Part-slice. Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites) ID# 56) Hebron Stone H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part slice. Thayer Co. Nebraska ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4 S2 W2 1.272 g. Good endcut, nice fusion crust. ID# 79) Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3 12.622 g. V. Good - Rectangular slice. ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick complete slice. ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good Quarter circle slice. The curators contact information will not be known until after he arrives in Tucson. In the meanwhile, if you are interested in making an offer or trade, you can reply to me and I will relay your messages. Bob Verish __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
