Re: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness
Michael, please keep this from now on off list to leave this a clean place for meteorite enthusiasts. I made my comment on your ongoing negativity, sorry couldn´t resist. That´s it. No need to throw dirt on me now with your claim that I am "the most expensive dealer on the planet" - which is ridiculous. Simply compare prices. Stefan - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" To: "Stefan Ralew" Cc: "Stephan Kambach" ; Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness Stefan, I'm not sure I would be writing that if I were you, usually the most expensive dealer on the planet. The discussion was about the fate of the market, mostly in response to Adam Hupe trying to tell everyone about crappy eBay and sales and collapse of meteorite market. I am merely disputing his suggestion and affirming the fact that the meteorite market has not collapsed or anything like it. The market changed. When the world economy nosedived in 2008, the small buyers (80% of my monthly sales for more than a decade at that time), were financially stressed as most people in the world were. Sales dropped because meteorites were certainly not a necessity. However I quickly noticed that large pieces began to sell at a rapid clip. I noticed that my 1 cent eBay sales began to tank, most things started selling very cheap, mostly well below cost. I immediately pulled back from eBay as a majority sales market and began to start marketing larger vastly more expensive pieces. They were selling as fast as I offered them. Wealthy people lost trust in the stock market, real-estate market etc. shelter was found in high-end collectibles and art. Every news articles showed record prices being realized in art, wine, coins, antiques etc. I simply catered to that market full time, gathered some really big buyers who could drop hundreds of thousands of $$$ on a single purchase, and I prospered in that method. China emerged at that same time as a meteorite market was suddenly built there, with very high end buyers who dropped millions on meteorites in single purchases. They were not interested in micros. I am not putting down small collectors at all, I love them, I was one for most of my meteorite car rear, but I followed the changing market to my benefit as opposed to others who have stubbornly refused to accept the economic changes that gripped the entire world. A smart person changes to adapt to a moving market. If you keep trying what has failed (eBay) then you will drop by the wayside. So please don't twist my post about high-end collectors into some sort of small collector bashing. It isn't. It is a fact that if you read Michael Blood's idiotic meteorite market articles you would think that the world has ended and meteorites are worthless. He is another long-gone dealer living in a fantasy world where his stuff doesn't sell. Is it because the market has collapsed or because he has the same things head had for a decade and still trying to market to a small collector base? If you don't add new things to your offers, pretty soon you run out of buyers. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Stefan Ralew via Meteorite-list wrote: I agree. If someone falls into the category "high end collector", then it should be David Weir. And this has nothing to do with a bank account. I know him as a real enthusiast, and his website is endless inspiration for many other collectors! On the other side, I don´t like the term "high end collector" at all. Michael F. explained us already what it means, a collector with deep pockets who buy expensive pieces. And what are the other 95+% of meteorite collectors? Low end collectors who buy the "crap" (btw, another word which I don´t like to hear in conjunction with meteorites) on Ebay?? Please don´t misunderstand me, it´s totally fine with me if wealthy people buy expensive meteorites. I´m happy for them and I´m happy when I can serve them with my service. I know that some of them donate material to institutions, or make their impressive collections accessible to the public, which I find very noble. What I don´t like is to sort people into categories depending on their wealth. Btw, my clients are mostly the same after 15 years, I still sell to meteorite collectors and institutions, small and big collectors alike. And it still works! Cheers, Stefan - Original Message - From: "Stephan Kambach via Meteorite-list" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 10:16 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness Hello, All If I combined Michael Farmers and Greg Hupes writing up about high-end collectors and high-end meteorites, so I should come to the conclusion that dealers aiming know a days to collectors with big wallets. Regardless to the amount of money you can effort for collecting meteorites, for myself,
[meteorite-list] NASA Instrument on Rosetta Makes Comet Atmosphere Discovery
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4609 NASA Instrument on Rosetta Makes Comet Atmosphere Discovery Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 2, 2015 Data collected by NASA's Alice instrument aboard the European Space Agency's Rosetta spacecraft reveal that electrons close to the surface of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko -- not photons from the sun, as had been believed -- cause the rapid breakup of water and carbon dioxide molecules spewing from the comet's surface. "The discovery we're reporting is quite unexpected," said Alan Stern, principal investigator for the Alice instrument at the Southwest Research Institute (SwRI) in Boulder, Colorado. "It shows us the value of going to comets to observe them up close, since this discovery simply could not have been made from Earth or Earth orbit with any existing or planned observatory. And, it is fundamentally transforming our knowledge of comets." A report of the findings has been accepted for publication by the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics. Analysis of the relative intensities of observed atomic emissions allowed the Alice science team to determine the instrument was directly observing the "parent" molecules of water and carbon dioxide that were being broken up by electrons in the immediate vicinity, about six-tenths of a mile (one kilometer) from the comet's nucleus. The carbon dioxide and water are being released from the comet's nucleus and affected by electrons near the nucleus. Since last August, Rosetta has orbited within 100 miles (160 kilometers) of comet 67P. The Alice spectrograph on board Rosetta specializes in sensing the far-ultraviolet wavelength band. Alice examines light the comet is emitting to understand the chemistry of the comet's atmosphere, or coma. A spectrograph is a tool astronomers use to split light into its various colors. Scientists can identify the chemical composition of gases by examining their light spectrum. Alice is the first such far-ultraviolet spectrograph to operate at a comet. Alice data indicate much of the water and carbon dioxide in the comet's coma originate from plumes erupting from its surface. "It is similar to those that the Hubble Space Telescope discovered on Jupiter's moon Europa, with the exception that the electrons at the comet are produced by solar radiation, while the electrons at Europa come from Jupiter's magnetosphere," said Paul Feldman, an Alice co-investigator from the Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland. By looking at the emission from hydrogen and oxygen atoms broken from the water molecules, Alice scientists can actually trace the location and structure of water plumes from the surface of the comet. The far-ultraviolet region of the spectrum allows scientists to detect the most abundant elements in the universe: hydrogen, oxygen, carbon and nitrogen. However, such measurements must be made from outside Earth's atmosphere, either from orbiting observatories such as the Hubble Space Telescope, or from planetary missions such as Rosetta. From Earth orbit, the atomic constituents can only be seen after their parent molecules, such as water and carbon dioxide, have been broken up by sunlight, hundreds to thousands of miles, or kilometers, away from the nucleus of the comet. The Alice spectrograph has also studied the surface of Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko and will be used in further studies of its atmosphere as the comet approaches the sun and its plumes become more active due to solar heating. The comet observations will help scientists learn more about the origin and evolution of our solar system and the role comets may have played in providing Earth with water, and perhaps even life. The Alice instrument is one of two ultraviolet spectrometers named Alice currently flying in space. The other is on board NASA's New Horizons spacecraft, which is destined to make a flyby of Pluto in July. The Alice on board Rosetta is probing the origin, composition and workings of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, to gather sensitive, high-resolution insights that cannot be obtained by either ground-based or Earth-orbiting observation. It has more than 1,000 times the data-gathering capability of instruments flown a generation ago, yet it weighs less than nine pounds (four kilograms) and draws just four watts of power. Other U.S. contributions aboard the Rosetta spacecraft are the Microwave Instrument for Rosetta Orbiter (MIRO); the Ion and Electron Sensor (IES), part of the Rosetta Plasma Consortium Suite; and the Double Focusing Mass Spectrometer (DFMS) electronics package for the Rosetta Orbiter Spectrometer for Ion Neutral Analysis (ROSINA). They are part of a suite of 11 total science instruments aboard Rosetta. Rosetta is an ESA mission with contributions from its member states and NASA. Rosetta's Philae lander is provided by a consortium led by the German Aerospace Center in Cologne; Max Planck Institute for Sol
[meteorite-list] Cassini Sends Final Close Views of Odd Moon Hyperion
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4608 Cassini Sends Final Close Views of Odd Moon Hyperion Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 2, 2015 NASA's Cassini spacecraft has returned images from its final close approach to Saturn's oddball moon Hyperion, upholding the moon's reputation as one of the most bizarre objects in the solar system. The views show Hyperion's deeply impact-scarred surface, with many craters displaying dark material on their floors. Raw, unprocessed images from the May 31 flyby are available via the Cassini mission website at: http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/photos/raw A selection of some of the images is also available from the Cassini imaging team's website at: http://www.ciclops.org/view_event/208/HYPERION-REV-216-RAW-PREVIEW During this flyby, Cassini passed Hyperion at a distance of about 21,000 miles (34,000 kilometers) at closest approach. Cassini's closest-ever Hyperion flyby took place on Sept. 26, 2005, at a distance of 314 miles (505 kilometers). Hyperion is the largest of Saturn's irregular, or potato-shaped, moons and may be the remnant of a violent collision that shattered a larger object into pieces. Cassini scientists attribute Hyperion's peculiar, sponge-like appearance to the fact that it has an unusually low density for such a large object -- about half that of water. Its low density indicates Hyperion is quite porous, with weak surface gravity. These characteristics mean impactors tend to compress the surface, rather than excavating it, and most material that is blown off the surface never returns. Cassini will make several more close flybys of Saturn's moons this year before departing the planet's equatorial plane to begin a year-long setup of the mission's daring final act. For its grand finale, set for 2017, Cassini will repeatedly dive through the space between Saturn and its rings. The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, ESA (European Space Agency) and the Italian Space Agency. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, manages the mission for the agency's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. The Cassini imaging operations center is based at the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colorado. The California Institute of Technology in Pasadena manages JPL for NASA. For more information about Cassini, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/cassini and http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov Media Contact Preston Dyches Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-7013 preston.dyc...@jpl.nasa.gov 2015-188 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Past issues of MAPS (2010-2014)
Dear List Members, I have 4 years of Meteoritics and Planetary Science (MAPS) available for sale (2010-2014). We are moving and I need to lighten the load. Each year is only $39/shipped, which includes Priority Mail (USA residents only). Each year fits exactly in one medium flat rate Priority box (costs me $12.65 per box). If you would like to reserve one, please contact me privately. Thank you! Best wishes, Mike (MetList ad 3 of 12) -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness
Stefan, I'm not sure I would be writing that if I were you, usually the most expensive dealer on the planet. The discussion was about the fate of the market, mostly in response to Adam Hupe trying to tell everyone about crappy eBay and sales and collapse of meteorite market. I am merely disputing his suggestion and affirming the fact that the meteorite market has not collapsed or anything like it. The market changed. When the world economy nosedived in 2008, the small buyers (80% of my monthly sales for more than a decade at that time), were financially stressed as most people in the world were. Sales dropped because meteorites were certainly not a necessity. However I quickly noticed that large pieces began to sell at a rapid clip. I noticed that my 1 cent eBay sales began to tank, most things started selling very cheap, mostly well below cost. I immediately pulled back from eBay as a majority sales market and began to start marketing larger vastly more expensive pieces. They were selling as fast as I offered them. Wealthy people lost trust in the stock market, real-estate market etc. shelter was found in high-end collectibles and art. Every news articles showed record prices being realized in art, wine, coins, antiques etc. I simply catered to that market full time, gathered some really big buyers who could drop hundreds of thousands of $$$ on a single purchase, and I prospered in that method. China emerged at that same time as a meteorite market was suddenly built there, with very high end buyers who dropped millions on meteorites in single purchases. They were not interested in micros. I am not putting down small collectors at all, I love them, I was one for most of my meteorite car rear, but I followed the changing market to my benefit as opposed to others who have stubbornly refused to accept the economic changes that gripped the entire world. A smart person changes to adapt to a moving market. If you keep trying what has failed (eBay) then you will drop by the wayside. So please don't twist my post about high-end collectors into some sort of small collector bashing. It isn't. It is a fact that if you read Michael Blood's idiotic meteorite market articles you would think that the world has ended and meteorites are worthless. He is another long-gone dealer living in a fantasy world where his stuff doesn't sell. Is it because the market has collapsed or because he has the same things head had for a decade and still trying to market to a small collector base? If you don't add new things to your offers, pretty soon you run out of buyers. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad > On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Stefan Ralew via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > I agree. If someone falls into the category "high end collector", then it > should be David Weir. And this has nothing to do with a bank account. I know > him as a real enthusiast, and his website is endless inspiration for many > other collectors! > > On the other side, I don´t like the term "high end collector" at all. Michael > F. explained us already what it means, a collector with deep pockets who buy > expensive pieces. And what are the other 95+% of meteorite collectors? Low > end collectors who buy the "crap" (btw, another word which I don´t like to > hear in conjunction with meteorites) on Ebay?? > > Please don´t misunderstand me, it´s totally fine with me if wealthy people > buy expensive meteorites. I´m happy for them and I´m happy when I can serve > them with my service. I know that some of them donate material to > institutions, or make their impressive collections accessible to the public, > which I find very noble. What I don´t like is to sort people into categories > depending on their wealth. Btw, my clients are mostly the same after 15 > years, I still sell to meteorite collectors and institutions, small and big > collectors alike. And it still works! > > Cheers, > Stefan > > > - Original Message - From: "Stephan Kambach via Meteorite-list" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 10:16 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness > > >> Hello, All >> >> If I combined Michael Farmers and Greg Hupes writing up about high-end >> collectors and high-end meteorites, >> so I should come to the conclusion that dealers aiming know a days to >> collectors with big wallets. >> Regardless to the amount of money you can effort for collecting meteorites, >> for myself, >> the high-end collector is the one, who understand in deeper details what he >> is collecting. >> Means, before he can real enjoy it, he must crack his head by studying in a >> private or profesional way >> mineralogy, physics, (bio)chemistry and etc. . Otherwise, confrontated with >> the foolishness, >> he can only marveling with an open mouth, but the real enjoy comes be >> looking at a meteorite >> with the specialed (knowlege) view about what you are looking at. >> Colle
Re: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites and rareness
I agree, I love meteorites, and I am obsessed with them. However I have bills to pay and since meteorites are my only source of income for the most part, I must make sales. I outlay tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars sometimes on single purchases. Sadly the bills bust be paid and borrowed money requires repayment. So please don't mistake a discussion about the state of the market, where this discussion started, as some sort of discussion about the goals of meteorite collection, that's a completely different subject. When I fly around the world undertaking large meteorite chases or hunting expeditions, my credit cards get run to the max sometimes. Those real expensive trips must be paid for. That requires sales. I am merely stating that the $50,000 credit card bills can't be paid with $.99 cent eBay auctions. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad > On Jun 2, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Stephan Kambach via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > Hello, All > > If I combined Michael Farmers and Greg Hupes writing up about high-end > collectors and high-end meteorites, > so I should come to the conclusion that dealers aiming know a days to > collectors with big wallets. > Regardless to the amount of money you can effort for collecting meteorites, > for myself, > the high-end collector is the one, who understand in deeper details what he > is collecting. > Means, before he can real enjoy it, he must crack his head by studying in a > private or profesional way > mineralogy, physics, (bio)chemistry and etc. . Otherwise, confrontated with > the foolishness, > he can only marveling with an open mouth, but the real enjoy comes be looking > at a meteorite > with the specialed (knowlege) view about what you are looking at. > Collectors like David Weir for example buying the small samples, but they are > the high-end collectors. > Some companies or also some single rich peoples (or even the most) often have > rudimentär interest in meteorites > but supporting the interest of the nature of an dealer – that's a own class > of high-ends. > > Last at least, something about lunar and martian meteorites. Meanwhile the > amount of it rised up > to huge amounts compare to some real rare space samples, for ex. the > ungrouped cc's like NWA 5958 from Greg Hupe. > A sample like this, unique by it's O-isotopes compared to the rest of all > meteorites, provide an absolutely > less amount of material compared for ex. to a NWA 5000, but comes in price > much more efordable. > Martians and Lunaites describe more a less a single parent body > history/evolution but a CM2 like a Murchison, > a Tagish Lake or CI spans with it's information through the rise of the > solarsystem and > in some way also beyond. Some of such CC's you find in between the 393 CC's > of the MetBull 101 to 103. > > My regards, Stephan Kambach > > > PS. my special thanks to David Weir supporting all the real collectores for > his well done work and > also to the scientists, who let us, they one who is opend enough for it, to > understand the value of the meteorites > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness
Hi, I think what we are talking about is connoisseurship. Being a connoisseur has nothing to do with deep pockets. It is about deep understanding. One of the best stories about connoisseurs is the story of Herbert and Dorothy Vogel a postal worker & a librarian. The couple amassed an art collection worth hundreds of millions of dollars on their civil servant salaries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_and_Dorothy_Vogel Unfortunately in our world today few people have the time to invest in becoming a connoisseur. Connoisseurs can lead the market. Sure, they may compete against one and other to get that special rock (this is where deep pockets help) but dealers may also want to place a sample with a connoisseur. For example a David Weir write up may help draw attention to an otherwise overlooked NWA. That attention may lead to more sales. When Adam Hupe was marketing NWA 5000 he used a meteorite rating scale that attempted to quantify all the factors that a connoisseur considers when looking at a meteorite. Perhaps someday a rating scale will become common place in the meteorite world. Until then we all need to continue to study meteorites in order to become better connoisseurs. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Ralew via Meteorite-list Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 10:53 AM To: Stephan Kambach; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness I agree. If someone falls into the category "high end collector", then it should be David Weir. And this has nothing to do with a bank account. I know him as a real enthusiast, and his website is endless inspiration for many other collectors! On the other side, I don´t like the term "high end collector" at all. Michael F. explained us already what it means, a collector with deep pockets who buy expensive pieces. And what are the other 95+% of meteorite collectors? Low end collectors who buy the "crap" (btw, another word which I don´t like to hear in conjunction with meteorites) on Ebay?? Please don´t misunderstand me, it´s totally fine with me if wealthy people buy expensive meteorites. I´m happy for them and I´m happy when I can serve them with my service. I know that some of them donate material to institutions, or make their impressive collections accessible to the public, which I find very noble. What I don´t like is to sort people into categories depending on their wealth. Btw, my clients are mostly the same after 15 years, I still sell to meteorite collectors and institutions, small and big collectors alike. And it still works! Cheers, Stefan - Original Message - From: "Stephan Kambach via Meteorite-list" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 10:16 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness > Hello, All > > If I combined Michael Farmers and Greg Hupes writing up about high-end > collectors and high-end meteorites, so I should come to the conclusion > that dealers aiming know a days to collectors with big wallets. > Regardless to the amount of money you can effort for collecting > meteorites, for myself, the high-end collector is the one, who > understand in deeper details what he is collecting. > Means, before he can real enjoy it, he must crack his head by studying > in a private or profesional way mineralogy, physics, (bio)chemistry > and etc. . Otherwise, confrontated with the foolishness, he can only > marveling with an open mouth, but the real enjoy comes be looking at a > meteorite with the specialed (knowlege) view about what you are > looking at. > Collectors like David Weir for example buying the small samples, but > they are the high-end collectors. > Some companies or also some single rich peoples (or even the most) > often have rudimentär interest in meteorites but supporting the > interest of the nature of an dealer – that's a own class of high-ends. > > Last at least, something about lunar and martian meteorites. Meanwhile > the amount of it rised up to huge amounts compare to some real rare > space samples, for ex. the ungrouped cc's like NWA 5958 from Greg > Hupe. > A sample like this, unique by it's O-isotopes compared to the rest of > all meteorites, provide an absolutely less amount of material compared > for ex. to a NWA 5000, but comes in price much more efordable. > Martians and Lunaites describe more a less a single parent body > history/evolution but a CM2 like a Murchison, a Tagish Lake or CI > spans with it's information through the rise of the solarsystem and in > some way also beyond. Some of such CC's you find in between the 393 > CC's of the MetBull 101 to 103. > > My regards, Stephan Kambach > > > PS. my special thanks to David Weir supporting all the real > collectores for his well done work and also to the scientists, who let > us, they one who
Re: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness
I agree. If someone falls into the category "high end collector", then it should be David Weir. And this has nothing to do with a bank account. I know him as a real enthusiast, and his website is endless inspiration for many other collectors! On the other side, I don´t like the term "high end collector" at all. Michael F. explained us already what it means, a collector with deep pockets who buy expensive pieces. And what are the other 95+% of meteorite collectors? Low end collectors who buy the "crap" (btw, another word which I don´t like to hear in conjunction with meteorites) on Ebay?? Please don´t misunderstand me, it´s totally fine with me if wealthy people buy expensive meteorites. I´m happy for them and I´m happy when I can serve them with my service. I know that some of them donate material to institutions, or make their impressive collections accessible to the public, which I find very noble. What I don´t like is to sort people into categories depending on their wealth. Btw, my clients are mostly the same after 15 years, I still sell to meteorite collectors and institutions, small and big collectors alike. And it still works! Cheers, Stefan - Original Message - From: "Stephan Kambach via Meteorite-list" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 10:16 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness Hello, All If I combined Michael Farmers and Greg Hupes writing up about high-end collectors and high-end meteorites, so I should come to the conclusion that dealers aiming know a days to collectors with big wallets. Regardless to the amount of money you can effort for collecting meteorites, for myself, the high-end collector is the one, who understand in deeper details what he is collecting. Means, before he can real enjoy it, he must crack his head by studying in a private or profesional way mineralogy, physics, (bio)chemistry and etc. . Otherwise, confrontated with the foolishness, he can only marveling with an open mouth, but the real enjoy comes be looking at a meteorite with the specialed (knowlege) view about what you are looking at. Collectors like David Weir for example buying the small samples, but they are the high-end collectors. Some companies or also some single rich peoples (or even the most) often have rudimentär interest in meteorites but supporting the interest of the nature of an dealer – that's a own class of high-ends. Last at least, something about lunar and martian meteorites. Meanwhile the amount of it rised up to huge amounts compare to some real rare space samples, for ex. the ungrouped cc's like NWA 5958 from Greg Hupe. A sample like this, unique by it's O-isotopes compared to the rest of all meteorites, provide an absolutely less amount of material compared for ex. to a NWA 5000, but comes in price much more efordable. Martians and Lunaites describe more a less a single parent body history/evolution but a CM2 like a Murchison, a Tagish Lake or CI spans with it's information through the rise of the solarsystem and in some way also beyond. Some of such CC's you find in between the 393 CC's of the MetBull 101 to 103. My regards, Stephan Kambach PS. my special thanks to David Weir supporting all the real collectores for his well done work and also to the scientists, who let us, they one who is opend enough for it, to understand the value of the meteorites __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness
Very well written and thought out, Stephan! I would like to add that I cater to all levels of collecting, anywhere from the tiniest of fragments to trying to preserve the largest of main masses and end pieces or complete slices when I can. At great sacrifice to financial gain I have let go large, complete slices and main masses at a fraction of what I could have if I chopped them down and maximized the per-gram retail value I could have realized at market. The greatest 'value' I can think of is knowing the meteorite I helped preserve can be studied and appreciated for centuries to come. The other value I gain from all that I do is meeting fantastic people, scientists and incredibly brilliant innovators who are changing the way we live here on earth and possibly in space. While working with meteorites you never know where your life path will lead you... Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Stephan Kambach via Meteorite-list Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 4:16 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness Hello, All If I combined Michael Farmers and Greg Hupes writing up about high-end collectors and high-end meteorites, so I should come to the conclusion that dealers aiming know a days to collectors with big wallets. Regardless to the amount of money you can effort for collecting meteorites, for myself, the high-end collector is the one, who understand in deeper details what he is collecting. Means, before he can real enjoy it, he must crack his head by studying in a private or profesional way mineralogy, physics, (bio)chemistry and etc. . Otherwise, confrontated with the foolishness, he can only marveling with an open mouth, but the real enjoy comes be looking at a meteorite with the specialed (knowlege) view about what you are looking at. Collectors like David Weir for example buying the small samples, but they are the high-end collectors. Some companies or also some single rich peoples (or even the most) often have rudimentär interest in meteorites but supporting the interest of the nature of an dealer – that's a own class of high-ends. Last at least, something about lunar and martian meteorites. Meanwhile the amount of it rised up to huge amounts compare to some real rare space samples, for ex. the ungrouped cc's like NWA 5958 from Greg Hupe. A sample like this, unique by it's O-isotopes compared to the rest of all meteorites, provide an absolutely less amount of material compared for ex. to a NWA 5000, but comes in price much more efordable. Martians and Lunaites describe more a less a single parent body history/evolution but a CM2 like a Murchison, a Tagish Lake or CI spans with it's information through the rise of the solarsystem and in some way also beyond. Some of such CC's you find in between the 393 CC's of the MetBull 101 to 103. My regards, Stephan Kambach PS. my special thanks to David Weir supporting all the real collectores for his well done work and also to the scientists, who let us, they one who is opend enough for it, to understand the value of the meteorites __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites and rareness
Hello, All If I combined Michael Farmers and Greg Hupes writing up about high-end collectors and high-end meteorites, so I should come to the conclusion that dealers aiming know a days to collectors with big wallets. Regardless to the amount of money you can effort for collecting meteorites, for myself, the high-end collector is the one, who understand in deeper details what he is collecting. Means, before he can real enjoy it, he must crack his head by studying in a private or profesional way mineralogy, physics, (bio)chemistry and etc. . Otherwise, confrontated with the foolishness, he can only marveling with an open mouth, but the real enjoy comes be looking at a meteorite with the specialed (knowlege) view about what you are looking at. Collectors like David Weir for example buying the small samples, but they are the high-end collectors. Some companies or also some single rich peoples (or even the most) often have rudimentär interest in meteorites but supporting the interest of the nature of an dealer – that's a own class of high-ends. Last at least, something about lunar and martian meteorites. Meanwhile the amount of it rised up to huge amounts compare to some real rare space samples, for ex. the ungrouped cc's like NWA 5958 from Greg Hupe. A sample like this, unique by it's O-isotopes compared to the rest of all meteorites, provide an absolutely less amount of material compared for ex. to a NWA 5000, but comes in price much more efordable. Martians and Lunaites describe more a less a single parent body history/evolution but a CM2 like a Murchison, a Tagish Lake or CI spans with it's information through the rise of the solarsystem and in some way also beyond. Some of such CC's you find in between the 393 CC's of the MetBull 101 to 103. My regards, Stephan Kambach PS. my special thanks to David Weir supporting all the real collectores for his well done work and also to the scientists, who let us, they one who is opend enough for it, to understand the value of the meteorites __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Ghubara Contributed by: Hanno Strufe http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=06/02/2015 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
