Re: [meteorite-list] REMINDER: Christie's Auction Tomorrow

[Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list]

Hi, 

Christie's makes it easy.  Just to go this site and click on any sale. 

http://www.christies.com/results



On Apr 20, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Anne Black  wrote:

> Thank you Darryl.
> 
> But how do we see the hammer price on all those pieces?
> Will Christie publish those prices?   and where?   
> Thanks.
> 
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> impact...@aol.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list 
> To: meteorite-list 
> Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2016 4:25 pm
> Subject: [meteorite-list] REMINDER:  Christie's Auction Tomorrow
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> CHRISTIE'S Auction Tomorrow in London.  2.30p / (GMT+1)  Catalog – 
> http://bit.ly/23DlL8D
> 
> It's worth noting...
> 
> — Several lots have no reserve; 
> 
> — There is a benefit to those paying in US dollars.  Due to currency 
> fluctuations, CHRISTIE'S current USD auction estimates are about 8% lower 
> than those printed in the catalogue.  To track the current exchange 
> estimates, go to the CHRISTIE'S website http://bit.ly/1qp6Osq and look at the 
> “grid view” where the real-time dollar amounts can be compared with those in 
> the downloadable e-catalogue—which, again, can be seen here:  
> http://bit.ly/23DlL8D
> 
> 
> Best of luck, 
> 
> Darryl
> 
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[meteorite-list] NASA Works to Improve Solar Electric Propulsion for Deep Space Exploration

[Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list]

April 19, 2016

RELEASE 16-044

NASA Works to Improve Solar Electric Propulsion for Deep Space Exploration 

NASA has selected Aerojet Rocketdyne, Inc. of Redmond, Washington, to design 
and develop an advanced electric propulsion system that will significantly 
advance the nation's commercial space capabilities, and enable deep space 
exploration missions, including the robotic portion of NASA's Asteroid 
Redirect Mission (ARM) and its Journey to Mars.

The Advanced Electric Propulsion System (AEPS) contract is a 36-month 
cost-plus-fixed-fee contract with a performance incentive and total value of 
$67 million. Work performed under the contract could potentially increase 
spaceflight transportation fuel efficiency by 10 times over current chemical 
propulsion technology and more than double thrust capability compared to 
current electric propulsion systems.

"Through this contract, NASA will be developing advanced electric 
propulsion elements for initial spaceflight applications, which will pave the 
way for an advanced solar electric propulsion demonstration mission by the 
end of the decade," said Steve Jurczyk, associate administrator of NASA's 
Space Technology Mission Directorate (STMD) in Washington. "Development of 
this technology will advance our future in-space transportation capability 
for a variety of NASA deep space human and robotic exploration missions, as 
well as private commercial space missions."

Aerojet Rocketdyne will oversee the development and delivery of an integrated 
electric propulsion system consisting of a thruster, power processing unit 
(PPU), low-pressure xenon flow controller, and electrical harness. NASA has 
developed and tested a prototype thruster and PPU that the company can use as 
a reference design.

The company will construct, test and deliver an engineering development unit 
for testing and evaluation in preparation for producing the follow-on flight 
units. During the option period of the contract, if exercised, the company 
will develop, verify and deliver four integrated flight units - the 
electric propulsion units that will fly in space. The work being performed 
under this contract will be led by a team of NASA Glenn Research Center 
engineers, with additional technical support by Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
(JPL) engineers.

This work will directly complement recent advanced solar array systems work, 
also funded by STMD. NASA anticipates the electrical power to operate this 
advanced electric propulsion flight system in space will be generated by 
solar arrays using structures similar to those that were developed under the 
solar array systems contracts.

NASA has been refining development of spaceflight electric propulsion 
technology for more than five decades, the first successful ion electric 
propulsion thruster being developed at Glenn in the 1950s. The first 
operational test of an electric propulsion system in space was Glenn's 
Space Electric Rocket Test 1, which flew on July 20, 1964.

Since then, NASA has increasingly relied on solar electric propulsion for 
long-duration, deep-space robotic science and exploration missions to 
multiple destinations, the most recent being NASA's Dawn mission. The 
Dawn mission, managed by JPL, surveyed the giant asteroid Vesta and the 
protoplanet, Ceres, between 2011 and 2015.

The advanced electric propulsion system is the next step in NASA's Solar 
Electric Propulsion (SEP) project, which is developing critical 
technologies to extend the range and capabilities of ambitious new science 
and exploration missions. ARM, NASA's mission to capture an asteroid 
boulder and place it in orbit around the moon in the mid-2020s, will test the 
largest and most advanced SEP system ever utilized for space missions.

For more information about NASA technology, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/technology

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[meteorite-list] New Ceres Images Show Bright Craters

[Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list]

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2016-106

New Ceres Images Show Bright Craters
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
April 19, 2016

[Image]
Ceres' Haulani Crater, with a diameter of 21 miles (34 kilometers), shows 
evidence of landslides from its crater rim. Credit: 
NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA/MPS/DLR/IDA

Craters with bright material on dwarf planet Ceres shine in new images 
from NASA's Dawn mission.

In its lowest-altitude mapping orbit, at a distance of 240 miles (385 
kilometers) from Ceres, Dawn has provided scientists with spectacular 
views of the dwarf planet.

Haulani Crater, with a diameter of 21 miles (34 kilometers), shows evidence 
of landslides from its crater rim. Smooth material and a central ridge 
stand out on its floor. An enhanced false-color view allows scientists 
to gain insight into materials and how they relate to surface morphology. 
This image shows rays of bluish ejected material. The color blue in such 
views has been associated with young features on Ceres.

"Haulani perfectly displays the properties we would expect from a fresh 
impact into the surface of Ceres. The crater floor is largely free of 
impacts, and it contrasts sharply in color from older parts of the surface," 
said Martin Hoffmann, co-investigator on the Dawn framing camera team, 
based at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Göttingen, 
Germany.

The crater's polygonal nature (meaning it resembles a shape made of straight 
lines) is noteworthy because most craters seen on other planetary bodies, 
including Earth, are nearly circular. The straight edges of some Cerean 
craters, including Haulani, result from pre-existing stress patterns and 
faults beneath the surface.  

A hidden treasure on Ceres is the 6-mile-wide (10-kilometer-wide) Oxo 
Crater, which is the second-brightest feature on Ceres (only Occator's 
central area is brighter). Oxo lies near the 0 degree meridian that defines 
the edge of many Ceres maps, making this small feature easy to overlook. 
Oxo is also unique because of the relatively large "slump" in its crater 
rim, where a mass of material has dropped below the surface. Dawn science 
team members are also examining the signatures of minerals on the crater 
floor, which appear different than elsewhere on Ceres.

"Little Oxo may be poised to make a big contribution to understanding 
the upper crust of Ceres," said Chris Russell, principal investigator 
of the mission, based at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Dawn's mission is managed by JPL for NASA's Science Mission Directorate 
in Washington. Dawn is a project of the directorate's Discovery Program, 
managed by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. 
UCLA is responsible for overall Dawn mission science. Orbital ATK Inc., 
in Dulles, Virginia, designed and built the spacecraft. The German Aerospace 
Center, Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Italian Space 
Agency and Italian National  Astrophysical Institute are international 
partners on the mission team. For a complete list of mission participants, 
visit: 

http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission

More information about Dawn is available at the following sites: 

http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov
http://www.nasa.gov/dawn


News Media Contact

Elizabeth Landau
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
818-354-6425
elizabeth.lan...@jpl.nasa.gov 

2016-106

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Re: [meteorite-list] REMINDER: Christie's Auction Tomorrow

[Anne Black via Meteorite-list]

Thank you Darryl.

But how do we see the hammer price on all those pieces?
Will Christie publish those prices?   and where?   
Thanks.

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2016 4:25 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] REMINDER:  Christie's Auction Tomorrow


Hi, 

CHRISTIE'S Auction Tomorrow in London.  2.30p / (GMT+1)  Catalog – 
http://bit.ly/23DlL8D

It's worth noting...

— Several lots have no reserve; 

— There is a benefit to those paying in US dollars.  Due to currency 
fluctuations, CHRISTIE'S current USD auction estimates are about 8% lower than 
those printed in the catalogue.  To track the current exchange estimates, go to 
the CHRISTIE'S website http://bit.ly/1qp6Osq and look at the “grid view” where 
the real-time dollar amounts can be compared with those in the downloadable 
e-catalogue—which, again, can be seen here:  http://bit.ly/23DlL8D


Best of luck, 

Darryl

















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[meteorite-list] OT - Fossil Fakes and Their Recognition

[Paul via Meteorite-list]

This is for the fossil hunters on this list.

Fake and mislabeled meteorites are not the only frauds to
beware of. there are also fake fossils galore.

Corbacho, J., and C. Sendino, 2015, Fossil Fakes and Their
Recognition. Deposits Magazine.
https://depositsmag.com/2015/12/19/fossil-fakes-and-their-recognition/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265208436_Fossil_fakes_and_their_recognition
http://www.elfosil.com/DICRAN3HT.htm

Related papers:

Corbacho, J., J. A. Vela, and J. A. Cuevas, 2007, Falsificación
de trilobites del Norte de África. Batallería. vol. 13, pp. 29-36.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265168347_FALSIFICACION_DE_TRILOBITES_DEL_NORTE_DE_AFRICA
https://portal.uah.es/portal/page/portal/universidad_mayores/descarga_material_docente/material_ciencias_naturales/documentos/falsos_fosiles.pdf

Corbacho, J., and J. A. Vela, 2009, Fossils Falsificación of N.
of Africa. (non trilobites) Batallería. vol. 14, pp. 53-56.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265168516_FALSIFICACION_DE_FOSILES_DEL_N_DE_AFRICA_NO_TRILOBITES

Corbacho, J., C. Sendino, and M.Tahiri, 2011, Palaeontological
fakes, Batalleria. vol. 16, pp. 37-45
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265168169_Palaeontological_fakes_Falsificaciones_paleontologicas
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joan_Corbacho/publication/265168169_Palaeontological_fakes_Falsificaciones_paleontologicas/links/54038f9d0cf23d9765a5cf37.pdf

Corbacho, J., I. Corbacho, S, Morrison, and M. Valent, 2015,
Latest techniques detected in the falsification of fossils
Batallería. vol. 22, pp. 22-27.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284737545_Latest_techniques_detected_in_the_falsification_of_fossils

Paper by Mats E. Eriksson and George O. Poinar

Eriksson, M. E., and G. O. Poinar, 2015, Fake it till you make
it-the uncanny art of forging amber. Geology Today. vol. 31,
no. 1, pp. 21-27.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273287099_Fake_it_till_you_make_it-the_uncanny_art_of_forging_amber

Figure 11: An exceptionally well-preserved trilobite (measuring
8 cm in length) in Baltic amber. Figure from above article.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/273287099_fig12_Figure-11-An-exceptionally-well-preserved-trilobite-measuring-8-cm-in-length-in-Baltic

A lecture about paleontological mistakes.

Whoops! Fossil Faux Pas!
Royal Tyrrell Museum Speaker Series 2016
Jon Noad, petroleum geologist, Calgary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXTdQXviUkE

Yours,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] REMINDER: Christie's Auction Tomorrow

[Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list]

Thanks Darryl,

I'll keep an eye on this!


On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> CHRISTIE'S Auction Tomorrow in London.  2.30p / (GMT+1)  Catalog – 
> http://bit.ly/23DlL8D
>
> It's worth noting...
>
> — Several lots have no reserve;
>
> — There is a benefit to those paying in US dollars.  Due to currency 
> fluctuations, CHRISTIE'S current USD auction estimates are about 8% lower 
> than those printed in the catalogue.  To track the current exchange 
> estimates, go to the CHRISTIE'S website http://bit.ly/1qp6Osq and look at the 
> “grid view” where the real-time dollar amounts can be compared with those in 
> the downloadable e-catalogue—which, again, can be seen here:  
> http://bit.ly/23DlL8D
>
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Darryl
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of dealing with Fayssal Mezgouri

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Like the old saying goes, "A man is only as good as his word"  I remember 
making multimillion dollar computer deals on a handshake followed up later 
with a purchase order in the late 90's and had very few problems.  Now, you 
need to engage super attorneys, that are as cold as ice under pressure, that 
can navigate through all of the lies, in order to enforce simple contracts 
in many cases.


These days, a handshake and a contract mean very little to those blinded by 
greed!  A sense of entitlement is the new norm for those whom have lost any 
sense of a personal code of conduct and do not possess a moral compass.


You may as well talk to a brick wall since these type of crooks will not 
listen and have already convinced themselves they are in the right 
regardless of the facts.


Adam


- Original Message - 
From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list" 

To: "PolandMET" ; "Mezgouri Fayssal via 
Meteorite-list" ; 


Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of dealing with Fayssal Mezgouri



Mezgouri Fayssal,

You appear to be claiming that it is not your responsibility to be certain 
about what the classifications are for the specimens that you sell.  That 
may be the standard line for Moroccan merchants, but that does not inspire 
confidence in your future buyers.


What you are unaware of doesn't just impact your buyer, it impacts you 
too.  If you want your buyers to feel like they should trust you, then you 
need to provide for them what you claim you can provide.  Otherwise it 
becomes obvious that you are not truly aware of the classification for the 
specimens you sell, and that is a very good reason for others to avoid 
doing business with you.




Sent using the mail.com mail app

On 4/19/16 at 10:55 AM, Mezgouri Fayssal via Meteorite-list wrote:

Dear list membres i need to let you know my history with jack, before we 
make a deal i send him a sample when he get it he said is agree to take a 
piece also i still keep this email , in 11/11/2010 so i need to know whay 
he said that i cheat him , cuz he had a sample in his hand !! evrybody in 
my place will do the same i pay the rocks and i shipp it i keep only 
profite about 570$now i need to solve this probleme but i can find any 
solution already i pay the owner of the rocks and he give us enouth time 
at i get answer from jack is ok there is email that i get from jack all 
my best Jack Schrader À'Mezgouri Fayssal'11/11/10 
à 10:20 PMHello Fayssal my very best of friends! I today received the 
parcel containing the 135 gram stone (probably an LL6) and the angrite 
samples. Please give me your best price for the 450 grams of angrite 
material. Thank you again for the photos and for the offer and the 
samples, my very best wishes to you and your family, your friend, Jack 
Mezgouri Fayssal cell +212663398272



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Le Mardi 19 avril 2016 13h01, PolandMET via Meteorite-list 
 a écrit :



 Thanks John.
Im not sure how difficult is to recognize fake sword, but recognizing
meteorites is rather easy (to me). In this case it was my own fault. I
belived to what he write and didnt look on photos close enough. Specimen 
was

too cheap and second it didnt look like 100% diogenite on photos. But
becouse I bough from him earlier, and I was satisfied with my purchases I
didnt questioned what he say. This is typical when routine kick Your ass 
:)


-[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]





> Dear List,
>
> I have blocked him from the Meteorites group on facebook so that he 
> cannot

> use that as a resources for his scams. It is a shame that the meteorite
> community continues to be an uncertain place for collectors and 
> merchants

> to use their hard earned funds.
>
> As a collector of antique Japanese swords as well, I will say that the
> amount of fraud I see in the sales of meteorites is considerably less 
> than

> what I see in the sword collecting community. Perhaps we are doing
> something right that other collecting communities are not.
>
> Hope everyone is having a good week thus far.
> Cheers,
> John A. Shea
> IMCA 3295
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent using the mail.com mail app
>
> On 4/19/16 at 6:42 AM, PolandMET via Meteorite-list wrote:
>
>> Hi list
>> I have same experienxes. In 2010 I bough from him 1100g surprisingly
>> cheap
>> diogenite and received badly weathered LL6
>>
>> helle my friend
>> here is the picture of meteorite i have look at the picture and let
>> me
>> know .
>> the big one is 1155 gr Diogenite like NWA1877
>> kind regards
>>
>>
>> Mezgouri Fayssal
>> cell +212668693856
>>
>>
>> I lost 2200$ never get even a gram of weathered L6 as a 

[meteorite-list] REMINDER: Christie's Auction Tomorrow

[Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list]

Hi, 

CHRISTIE'S Auction Tomorrow in London.  2.30p / (GMT+1)  Catalog – 
http://bit.ly/23DlL8D

It's worth noting...

— Several lots have no reserve; 

— There is a benefit to those paying in US dollars.  Due to currency 
fluctuations, CHRISTIE'S current USD auction estimates are about 8% lower than 
those printed in the catalogue.  To track the current exchange estimates, go to 
the CHRISTIE'S website http://bit.ly/1qp6Osq and look at the “grid view” where 
the real-time dollar amounts can be compared with those in the downloadable 
e-catalogue—which, again, can be seen here:  http://bit.ly/23DlL8D


Best of luck, 

Darryl

















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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

[wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list]

: ) 


-Original Message-
From: Linton Rohr via Meteorite-list 
To: Jim Wooddell 
Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist 
Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2016 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women 
Meteorite

Hi folks,

I just came across this old thread regarding the Old Woman's "potential 
sisters". I'm wondering if there's been any further developments on their 
recovery.

We stopped by the Barstow Discovery Center last week, intending to visit the 
main mass again, but had forgotten that they're closed on Mondays. Argh.

Next time for sure!

Linton


-Original Message- 
From: Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:55 PM
To: Carl Agee
Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old 
Women Meteorite

Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at.  I really appreciated the
opportunity to touch and see the
Old Woman Meteorite.
The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out
of the BLM building!
She thought I was joking around!  ;)

If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to
go get it and re-unite them.
I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds
could be raised to retrieve these.
Russia would do it, I bet!

I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make
it happen by a qualified organization

Won't believe it until I see pictures.  Hiding something like this is
nuts!  I am mean really.

Now back to watching epoxy cure!
I need to call you next week.

Jim


On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote:
> I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
> Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
> i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
> slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
> is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.
>
> Carl Agee
> *
> Carl B. Agee
> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
> MSC03 2050
> University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>
> Tel: (505) 750-7172
> Fax: (505) 277-3577
> Email: a...@unm.edu
> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Hi Sonny,
>>
>> I thought the miners..or one of them passed?
>>
>> Let's go get it!  Did they say how big the other pieces are?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>> Hey Adam and list
>>>
 Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.
>>> Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.
>>>
>>> With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third 
>>> piece
>>> has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have 
>>> tried
>>> to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
>>> would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would 
>>> be
>>> a great case to challenge in court.
>>>
>>> Sonny
>>>
>>>

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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

[Linton Rohr via Meteorite-list]

Hi folks,

I just came across this old thread regarding the Old Woman's "potential 
sisters". I'm wondering if there's been any further developments on their 
recovery.


We stopped by the Barstow Discovery Center last week, intending to visit the 
main mass again, but had forgotten that they're closed on Mondays. Argh.


Next time for sure!

Linton


-Original Message- 
From: Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list

Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:55 PM
To: Carl Agee
Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old 
Women Meteorite


Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at.  I really appreciated the
opportunity to touch and see the
Old Woman Meteorite.
The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out
of the BLM building!
She thought I was joking around!  ;)

If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to
go get it and re-unite them.
I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds
could be raised to retrieve these.
Russia would do it, I bet!

I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make
it happen by a qualified organization

Won't believe it until I see pictures.  Hiding something like this is
nuts!  I am mean really.

Now back to watching epoxy cure!
I need to call you next week.

Jim


On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote:

I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.

Carl Agee
*
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: a...@unm.edu
http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/



On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

Hi Sonny,

I thought the miners..or one of them passed?

Let's go get it!  Did they say how big the other pieces are?

Jim



On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hey Adam and list


Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.

Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.

With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third 
piece
has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have 
tried

to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would 
be

a great case to challenge in court.

Sonny




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Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of dealing with Fayssal Mezgouri

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Mezgouri Fayssal,

You appear to be claiming that it is not your responsibility to be certain 
about what the classifications are for the specimens that you sell.  That may 
be the standard line for Moroccan merchants, but that does not inspire 
confidence in your future buyers.

What you are unaware of doesn't just impact your buyer, it impacts you too.  If 
you want your buyers to feel like they should trust you, then you need to 
provide for them what you claim you can provide.  Otherwise it becomes obvious 
that you are not truly aware of the classification for the specimens you sell, 
and that is a very good reason for others to avoid doing business with you.



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On 4/19/16 at 10:55 AM, Mezgouri Fayssal via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Dear list membres i need to let you know my history  with jack, before we 
> make a deal i send him a sample when he get it he said is agree to take a 
> piece also i still keep this email , in 11/11/2010 so i need to know whay he  
> said that i cheat him , cuz he had a sample in his hand !! evrybody in my 
> place will do the same i pay the rocks and i shipp it i keep only profite 
> about 570$now i need to solve this probleme but i can find any solution 
> already i pay the owner of the rocks and he give us enouth time at i get 
> answer from jack is ok there is email that i get from jack all my best Jack 
> Schrader À'Mezgouri Fayssal'11/11/10 à 10:20 PMHello 
> Fayssal my very best of friends!  I today received the parcel containing the 
> 135 gram stone (probably an LL6) and the angrite samples.  Please give me 
> your best price for the 450 grams of angrite material.  Thank you again for 
> the photos and for the offer and the samples, my very best wishes to you and 
> your family, your friend, Jack  Mezgouri Fayssal cell +212663398272 
> 
>  
> |  |
> 
>  
> 
> Le Mardi 19 avril 2016 13h01, PolandMET via Meteorite-list 
>  a écrit :
>  
> 
>  Thanks John.
> Im not sure how difficult is to recognize fake sword, but recognizing 
> meteorites is rather easy (to me). In this case it was my own fault. I 
> belived to what he write and didnt look on photos close enough. Specimen was 
> too cheap and second it didnt look like 100% diogenite on photos. But 
> becouse I bough from him earlier, and I was satisfied with my purchases I 
> didnt questioned what he say. This is typical when routine kick Your ass :)
> 
> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
> http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)polandmet.com
> [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Dear List,
> >
> > I have blocked him from the Meteorites group on facebook so that he cannot 
> > use that as a resources for his scams.  It is a shame that the meteorite 
> > community continues to be an uncertain place for collectors and merchants 
> > to use their hard earned funds.
> >
> > As a collector of antique Japanese swords as well, I will say that the 
> > amount of fraud I see in the sales of meteorites is considerably less than 
> > what I see in the sword collecting community.  Perhaps we are doing 
> > something right that other collecting communities are not.
> >
> > Hope everyone is having a good week thus far.
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea
> > IMCA 3295
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent using the mail.com mail app
> >
> > On 4/19/16 at 6:42 AM, PolandMET via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >
> >> Hi list
> >> I have same experienxes. In 2010 I bough from him 1100g surprisingly 
> >> cheap
> >> diogenite and received badly weathered LL6
> >>
> >>      helle my friend
> >>      here is the picture of meteorite i have look at the picture and let 
> >> me
> >> know .
> >>      the big one is 1155 gr Diogenite like NWA1877
> >>      kind regards
> >>
> >>
> >>      Mezgouri Fayssal
> >>      cell +212668693856
> >>
> >>
> >> I lost 2200$ never get even a gram of weathered L6 as a refund. I send 
> >> this
> >> specimen back to Said Haddany to try to return it to Fayssal but this 
> >> didnt
> >> work so I pick it back and now its classified. Maybe I can get most of my
> >> money back selling it.
> >> There is soo many 10% trusted persons in Morocco so no need to buy
> >> anything from "dealers" like Fayssal.
> >>
> >> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
> >> http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> >> http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)polandmet.com
> >> [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Dear list members, Please beware of dealing with this Moroccan dealer.
> >> > Five years ago, he cheated me out of $6250.00. I bought what was 
> >> > supposed
> >> > to be a rare meteorite from him only to receive a weathered H5 
> >> > chondrite.
> >> > For four years I tried to no avail to get my money back even after he
> 

Re: [meteorite-list] First look inside new meteorite from Crosbyton, TX fireball

[d. scott via Meteorite-list]

 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; }  Beautiful find!  Great work Terry and Sonny.  From your 
meteorite hunting family, Jack and mom!


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad


On Monday, April 18, 2016, 11:46 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

Hi Sonny,
Can't really be sure from the pictures but it almost looks like chondrules in a 
breccia ...  Good luck on the classification and congratulations on the nice 
result of a fantastic effort to you and Terry!

Kindest wishes
Doug


-Original Message-
From: wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2016 10:52 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] First look inside new meteorite from Crosbyton, TX 
fireball

Hi List,

We just received this meteorite back from TCU. Here it is, a look inside this 
beautiful freshly fallen meteorite that Terry Scott and I recovered near 
Crosbyton, TX after the Feb. 18, 2016 fireball. The meteorite is pristine with 
a beautiful light grey matrix loaded with chondrules and metal flakes. Official 
name and classification still pending. The images are also on my Facebook page 
where they appear a little clearer.

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Crosbyton_Texas_Fireball_2016.html


Sonny
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Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of dealing with Fayssal Mezgouri

[Mezgouri Fayssal via Meteorite-list]

Dear list membres i need to let you know my history  with jack, before we make 
a deal i send him a sample when he get it he said is agree to take a piece also 
i still keep this email , in 11/11/2010 so i need to know whay he  said that i 
cheat him , cuz he had a sample in his hand !! evrybody in my place will do the 
same i pay the rocks and i shipp it i keep only profite about 570$now i need to 
solve this probleme but i can find any solution already i pay the owner of the 
rocks and he give us enouth time at i get answer from jack is ok there is email 
that i get from jack all my best Jack Schrader 
À'Mezgouri Fayssal'11/11/10 à 10:20 PMHello Fayssal my 
very best of friends!  I today received the parcel containing the 135 gram 
stone (probably an LL6) and the angrite samples.  Please give me your best 
price for the 450 grams of angrite material.  Thank you again for the photos 
and for the offer and the samples, my very best wishes to you and your family, 
your friend, Jack  Mezgouri Fayssal cell +212663398272 

 
|  |

 

Le Mardi 19 avril 2016 13h01, PolandMET via Meteorite-list 
 a écrit :
 

 Thanks John.
Im not sure how difficult is to recognize fake sword, but recognizing 
meteorites is rather easy (to me). In this case it was my own fault. I 
belived to what he write and didnt look on photos close enough. Specimen was 
too cheap and second it didnt look like 100% diogenite on photos. But 
becouse I bough from him earlier, and I was satisfied with my purchases I 
didnt questioned what he say. This is typical when routine kick Your ass :)

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)polandmet.com
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]





> Dear List,
>
> I have blocked him from the Meteorites group on facebook so that he cannot 
> use that as a resources for his scams.  It is a shame that the meteorite 
> community continues to be an uncertain place for collectors and merchants 
> to use their hard earned funds.
>
> As a collector of antique Japanese swords as well, I will say that the 
> amount of fraud I see in the sales of meteorites is considerably less than 
> what I see in the sword collecting community.  Perhaps we are doing 
> something right that other collecting communities are not.
>
> Hope everyone is having a good week thus far.
> Cheers,
> John A. Shea
> IMCA 3295
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent using the mail.com mail app
>
> On 4/19/16 at 6:42 AM, PolandMET via Meteorite-list wrote:
>
>> Hi list
>> I have same experienxes. In 2010 I bough from him 1100g surprisingly 
>> cheap
>> diogenite and received badly weathered LL6
>>
>>      helle my friend
>>      here is the picture of meteorite i have look at the picture and let 
>> me
>> know .
>>      the big one is 1155 gr Diogenite like NWA1877
>>      kind regards
>>
>>
>>      Mezgouri Fayssal
>>      cell +212668693856
>>
>>
>> I lost 2200$ never get even a gram of weathered L6 as a refund. I send 
>> this
>> specimen back to Said Haddany to try to return it to Fayssal but this 
>> didnt
>> work so I pick it back and now its classified. Maybe I can get most of my
>> money back selling it.
>> There is soo many 10% trusted persons in Morocco so no need to buy
>> anything from "dealers" like Fayssal.
>>
>> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
>> http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
>> http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)polandmet.com
>> [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear list members, Please beware of dealing with this Moroccan dealer.
>> > Five years ago, he cheated me out of $6250.00. I bought what was 
>> > supposed
>> > to be a rare meteorite from him only to receive a weathered H5 
>> > chondrite.
>> > For four years I tried to no avail to get my money back even after he
>> > admitted to sending me a weathered H5 instead of the stone I was 
>> > supposed
>> > to receive. I even had Aziz Habibi intervene for me to no avail. He 
>> > made
>> > promise after promise after promise to return my money. I was even 
>> > willing
>> > to take an equal amount of common chondrites instead of the money. If 
>> > you
>> > send money to this Fayssal Mezgouri, you may find yourself out of a lot 
>> > of
>> > cash. Jack Schrader
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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[meteorite-list] AD - Auctions Ending This Evening - Great Material!

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Dear List Members,

I hope this posts.  for some reason HTML is working its way into my posts 
even though all of my settings are for plain text.  The HTML portions cause 
a delay in posting.  I will try to figure this out.


I have several great auctions ending this evening including many NWA 5000 
specimens started at just 99 cents with no reserve.  As many of you are 
aware, NWA 5000 is the top independently rated Lunar Meteorite in the world 
with a near perfect 24.8 points out of a possible 25 points.   The closest 
competitive Lunar meteorite rates a less than 21 for comparison.  You may 
want to add some of this material to your collection while it is still 
available.


Link to all auctions:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/merchant/ancientechoesartifacts

Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck,

Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] First look inside new meteorite from Crosbyton, TX fireball

[Mark Bowling via Meteorite-list]

Congratulations, what a beauty!  Really cool shot among the cotton plants...

  From: Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list 

 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
 Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 9:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First look inside new meteorite from Crosbyton, 
TX fireball
   
Nice rock, congrat's!
LarrySincerely, Larry Atkins   IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm  On Monday, April 
18, 2016 wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list  
wrote:
Hi List,

We just received this meteorite back from TCU. Here it is, a look inside this 
beautiful freshly fallen meteorite that Terry Scott and I recovered near 
Crosbyton, TX after the Feb. 18, 2016 fireball. The meteorite is pristine with 
a beautiful light grey matrix loaded with chondrules and metal flakes. Official 
name and classification still pending. The images are also on my Facebook page 
where they appear a little clearer.

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Crosbyton_Texas_Fireball_2016.html


Sonny
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Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of dealing with Fayssal Mezgouri

[PolandMET via Meteorite-list]

Thanks John.
Im not sure how difficult is to recognize fake sword, but recognizing 
meteorites is rather easy (to me). In this case it was my own fault. I 
belived to what he write and didnt look on photos close enough. Specimen was 
too cheap and second it didnt look like 100% diogenite on photos. But 
becouse I bough from him earlier, and I was satisfied with my purchases I 
didnt questioned what he say. This is typical when routine kick Your ass :)


-[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]






Dear List,

I have blocked him from the Meteorites group on facebook so that he cannot 
use that as a resources for his scams.  It is a shame that the meteorite 
community continues to be an uncertain place for collectors and merchants 
to use their hard earned funds.


As a collector of antique Japanese swords as well, I will say that the 
amount of fraud I see in the sales of meteorites is considerably less than 
what I see in the sword collecting community.  Perhaps we are doing 
something right that other collecting communities are not.


Hope everyone is having a good week thus far.
Cheers,
John A. Shea
IMCA 3295






Sent using the mail.com mail app

On 4/19/16 at 6:42 AM, PolandMET via Meteorite-list wrote:


Hi list
I have same experienxes. In 2010 I bough from him 1100g surprisingly 
cheap

diogenite and received badly weathered LL6

  helle my friend
  here is the picture of meteorite i have look at the picture and let 
me

know .
  the big one is 1155 gr Diogenite like NWA1877
  kind regards


  Mezgouri Fayssal
  cell +212668693856


I lost 2200$ never get even a gram of weathered L6 as a refund. I send 
this
specimen back to Said Haddany to try to return it to Fayssal but this 
didnt

work so I pick it back and now its classified. Maybe I can get most of my
money back selling it.
There is soo many 10% trusted persons in Morocco so no need to buy
anything from "dealers" like Fayssal.

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]





>
>
> Dear list members, Please beware of dealing with this Moroccan dealer.
> Five years ago, he cheated me out of $6250.00. I bought what was 
> supposed
> to be a rare meteorite from him only to receive a weathered H5 
> chondrite.

> For four years I tried to no avail to get my money back even after he
> admitted to sending me a weathered H5 instead of the stone I was 
> supposed
> to receive. I even had Aziz Habibi intervene for me to no avail. He 
> made
> promise after promise after promise to return my money. I was even 
> willing
> to take an equal amount of common chondrites instead of the money. If 
> you
> send money to this Fayssal Mezgouri, you may find yourself out of a lot 
> of

> cash. Jack Schrader
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO





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Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of dealing with Fayssal Mezgouri

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Dear List,

I have blocked him from the Meteorites group on facebook so that he cannot use 
that as a resources for his scams.  It is a shame that the meteorite community 
continues to be an uncertain place for collectors and merchants to use their 
hard earned funds.

As a collector of antique Japanese swords as well, I will say that the amount 
of fraud I see in the sales of meteorites is considerably less than what I see 
in the sword collecting community.  Perhaps we are doing something right that 
other collecting communities are not.

Hope everyone is having a good week thus far.
Cheers,
John A. Shea
IMCA 3295






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On 4/19/16 at 6:42 AM, PolandMET via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Hi list
> I have same experienxes. In 2010 I bough from him 1100g surprisingly cheap 
> diogenite and received badly weathered LL6
> 
>   helle my friend
>   here is the picture of meteorite i have look at the picture and let me 
> know .
>   the big one is 1155 gr Diogenite like NWA1877
>   kind regards
> 
> 
>   Mezgouri Fayssal
>   cell +212668693856
> 
> 
> I lost 2200$ never get even a gram of weathered L6 as a refund. I send this 
> specimen back to Said Haddany to try to return it to Fayssal but this didnt 
> work so I pick it back and now its classified. Maybe I can get most of my 
> money back selling it.
> There is soo many 10% trusted persons in Morocco so no need to buy 
> anything from "dealers" like Fayssal.
> 
> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
> http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
> [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Dear list members, Please beware of dealing with this Moroccan dealer. 
> > Five years ago, he cheated me out of $6250.00. I bought what was supposed 
> > to be a rare meteorite from him only to receive a weathered H5 chondrite. 
> > For four years I tried to no avail to get my money back even after he 
> > admitted to sending me a weathered H5 instead of the stone I was supposed 
> > to receive. I even had Aziz Habibi intervene for me to no avail. He made 
> > promise after promise after promise to return my money. I was even willing 
> > to take an equal amount of common chondrites instead of the money. If you 
> > send money to this Fayssal Mezgouri, you may find yourself out of a lot of 
> > cash. Jack Schrader
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[PolandMET via Meteorite-list]

Hi list
I have same experienxes. In 2010 I bough from him 1100g surprisingly cheap 
diogenite and received badly weathered LL6


 helle my friend
 here is the picture of meteorite i have look at the picture and let me 
know .

 the big one is 1155 gr Diogenite like NWA1877
 kind regards


 Mezgouri Fayssal
 cell +212668693856


I lost 2200$ never get even a gram of weathered L6 as a refund. I send this 
specimen back to Said Haddany to try to return it to Fayssal but this didnt 
work so I pick it back and now its classified. Maybe I can get most of my 
money back selling it.
There is soo many 10% trusted persons in Morocco so no need to buy 
anything from "dealers" like Fayssal.


-[ MARCIN CIMALA ][ +48 793567667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]








Dear list members, Please beware of dealing with this Moroccan dealer. 
Five years ago, he cheated me out of $6250.00. I bought what was supposed 
to be a rare meteorite from him only to receive a weathered H5 chondrite. 
For four years I tried to no avail to get my money back even after he 
admitted to sending me a weathered H5 instead of the stone I was supposed 
to receive. I even had Aziz Habibi intervene for me to no avail. He made 
promise after promise after promise to return my money. I was even willing 
to take an equal amount of common chondrites instead of the money. If you 
send money to this Fayssal Mezgouri, you may find yourself out of a lot of 
cash. Jack Schrader



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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list]

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Imilac

Contributed by: John Divelbiss

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=04/19/2016
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Re: [meteorite-list] First look inside new meteorite from Crosbyton, TX fireball

[MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list]

Hi Sonny,
Can't really be sure from the pictures but it almost looks like chondrules in a 
breccia ...  Good luck on the classification and congratulations on the nice 
result of a fantastic effort to you and Terry!

Kindest wishes
Doug


-Original Message-
From: wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2016 10:52 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] First look inside new meteorite from Crosbyton, TX 
fireball

Hi List,

We just received this meteorite back from TCU. Here it is, a look inside this 
beautiful freshly fallen meteorite that Terry Scott and I recovered near 
Crosbyton, TX after the Feb. 18, 2016 fireball. The meteorite is pristine with 
a beautiful light grey matrix loaded with chondrules and metal flakes. Official 
name and classification still pending. The images are also on my Facebook page 
where they appear a little clearer.

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Crosbyton_Texas_Fireball_2016.html


Sonny
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