[meteorite-list] AD: Ohio Meteorite Collection

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

To those members on the List who might be interested,

I have 8 Ohio meteorites, most of which are impossible to find or even 
buy, available. The items are pieces from my own personal collection. I 
would rather sell the whole group but would consider offers on a piece 
or several.


Please email me at: almitt2atlocalnet.com for more details and listings 
and weights.


Thanks for your interest.

--AL Mitterling

Mitterling Meteorites



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[meteorite-list] WANTED - Mars Meteorite 60 grams or better

[Tim Heitz via Meteorite-list]

Hi,

I'm looking for a whole round piece of a Mars Meteorite - 60 grams or 
better.


Send me information off list.  midwestmet...@earthlink.net


Thank You,
Tim Heitz
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Re: [meteorite-list] WR Gallery Delay – U.S. World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

No, not at all disrespectful.  Realistic.

Time to put your meteorwrong to bed and move onto something else that doesn't 
involve the meteorite community.

Cheers,
John






Sent using the mail.com mail app

On 7/30/16 at 6:29 PM, Ann Cain via Meteorite-list wrote:

> John A. Shea,
> 
> 
> That email was sent to me privately and I responded privately and only to 
> those members that Jason Utas originally sent it to. I gave Jason Utas the 
> right to go public and debate the meteoritic topics/ issues only if he wanted 
> to do so. 
> 
> What you did was very disrespectful.
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> 
> Glyn Howard
> 
> (Yes, I use the account my sister Ann Cain set-up here on the Meteorite List 
> for me. We share the account.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Outlook
>  
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Meteorite-list  on behalf 
> of Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 5:43 PM
> To: Art Jones; metlist
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WR Gallery Delay – U.S. World Record Mars 
> Meteorite Discovery
>     
> To the Metlist Admin(s),
> 
> With respect, why are these people (Ann Cain, Glyn Howard) not blocked from 
> the metlist yet? 
> 
> This is clearly a scam, or the work of foolish people who refuse to listen to 
> reason. Either way, we should not all be forced to receive their emails for 
> years on end when they are clearly not representing an actual interest of any 
> kind in meteoritics.
> 
> In order to protect the integrity of the Metlist as a valuable resource to 
> the meteorite community, I respectfully request that you remove any emails 
> associated with Ann Cain and Glyn Howard from the metlist.
> 
> Sincerely,
> John A. Shea MD
> IMCA 3295
> 
> 
> 
> Sent using the mail.com mail app
> 
> On 7/30/16 at 4:24 PM, Ann Cain wrote:
> 
> > Jason,
> > 
> > 
> > I haven't checked this email account in many months. It's now summer time 
> > and I have time to respond respectfully and I will do so.
> > 
> > 
> > Why not discuss this in public openly? Post your original email to me on 
> > the Meteorite List and I will address all your concerns one by one openly 
> > and publicly, and we will debate it.
> > 
> > 
> > I can say you are wrong and I can prove it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I haven't embarrassed anyone. I've been very respectful. I have a right to 
> > disagree, as do you, and to provide the evidence.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You do not know the background history of this discovery. You do not know 
> > the several very well known (famous even) meteoriticists involved, who also 
> > know the truth. As well, a very well known (famous) thin-section technician 
> > who knows and does brilliant  work. Anne knows him very well. The thin 
> > section technician wants to stay out of the fray, he's done nothing wrong 
> > and has been very honorable and very professional the entire time working 
> > with me. I would like to continue using his very professional services.  
> > He's a great guy. Professional. Straight up.
> > 
> > 
> > But you should also know Scientists are human and have human feelings, and 
> > failings, and competition and professional jealousy can and does occur in 
> > science. I provided a link in the Meteorite List discussion for such a 
> > study that validates that it does indeed  happen at times in science.
> > 
> > 
> > We are talking about a few scientists in the meteoritics world, not more. 
> > They know who they are. I know them and they know me. I know what happened 
> > when we met, I know what they did. I have all the emails for our 
> > communications. I can instantly prove they  misrepresented the truth and 
> > did so purposefully. It's called "stone-walling" among other things. When I 
> > told them I wouldn't tell them the discovery site until contracts "with the 
> > powers that be" were agreed to, then all kinds of purposeful misinformation 
> >  and misrepresentation on their part occurred towards me. That is unethical 
> > and unprofessional behavior. I already knew they were meteorites before 
> > coming to them for their services. I already knew they were achondrites. I 
> > did not know how to prove the Parent  Body at the time. But I can do all of 
> > that now. Now I have that knowledge.  It is not my intention to embarrass 
> > anyone publicly. I want them to admit their unprofessional behavior 
> > privately to me and admit their mistakes. The matter between us will be 
> > over  without the community ever knowing the embarrassing history or their 
> > identity. I'm a forgiving person.
> > 
> > 
> > By the way, I worked with many geologists, analysts, and a very well known 
> > private petrology whole rock analysis company with a science research 
> > department with a long experience in meteorite analysis, all who didn't 
> > play any unethical games or act unprofessionally  that helped and guided me 
> > at key moments in my study. To them I'm very grateful and in 

Re: [meteorite-list] WR Gallery Delay – U.S. World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery

[Ann Cain via Meteorite-list]

John A. Shea,


That email was sent to me privately and I responded privately and only to those 
members that Jason Utas originally sent it to. I gave Jason Utas the right to 
go public and debate the meteoritic topics/ issues only if he wanted to do so. 

What you did was very disrespectful.



Sincerely,


Glyn Howard

(Yes, I use the account my sister Ann Cain set-up here on the Meteorite List 
for me. We share the account.)




Sent from Outlook
 
   




From: Meteorite-list  on behalf of 
Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 5:43 PM
To: Art Jones; metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WR Gallery Delay – U.S. World Record Mars 
Meteorite Discovery
    
To the Metlist Admin(s),

With respect, why are these people (Ann Cain, Glyn Howard) not blocked from the 
metlist yet? 

This is clearly a scam, or the work of foolish people who refuse to listen to 
reason. Either way, we should not all be forced to receive their emails for 
years on end when they are clearly not representing an actual interest of any 
kind in meteoritics.

In order to protect the integrity of the Metlist as a valuable resource to the 
meteorite community, I respectfully request that you remove any emails 
associated with Ann Cain and Glyn Howard from the metlist.

Sincerely,
John A. Shea MD
IMCA 3295



Sent using the mail.com mail app

On 7/30/16 at 4:24 PM, Ann Cain wrote:

> Jason,
> 
> 
> I haven't checked this email account in many months. It's now summer time and 
> I have time to respond respectfully and I will do so.
> 
> 
> Why not discuss this in public openly? Post your original email to me on the 
> Meteorite List and I will address all your concerns one by one openly and 
> publicly, and we will debate it.
> 
> 
> I can say you are wrong and I can prove it.
> 
> 
> 
> I haven't embarrassed anyone. I've been very respectful. I have a right to 
> disagree, as do you, and to provide the evidence.
> 
> 
> 
> You do not know the background history of this discovery. You do not know the 
> several very well known (famous even) meteoriticists involved, who also know 
> the truth. As well, a very well known (famous) thin-section technician who 
> knows and does brilliant  work. Anne knows him very well. The thin section 
> technician wants to stay out of the fray, he's done nothing wrong and has 
> been very honorable and very professional the entire time working with me. I 
> would like to continue using his very professional services.  He's a great 
> guy. Professional. Straight up.
> 
> 
> But you should also know Scientists are human and have human feelings, and 
> failings, and competition and professional jealousy can and does occur in 
> science. I provided a link in the Meteorite List discussion for such a study 
> that validates that it does indeed  happen at times in science.
> 
> 
> We are talking about a few scientists in the meteoritics world, not more. 
> They know who they are. I know them and they know me. I know what happened 
> when we met, I know what they did. I have all the emails for our 
> communications. I can instantly prove they  misrepresented the truth and did 
> so purposefully. It's called "stone-walling" among other things. When I told 
> them I wouldn't tell them the discovery site until contracts "with the powers 
> that be" were agreed to, then all kinds of purposeful misinformation  and 
> misrepresentation on their part occurred towards me. That is unethical and 
> unprofessional behavior. I already knew they were meteorites before coming to 
> them for their services. I already knew they were achondrites. I did not know 
> how to prove the Parent  Body at the time. But I can do all of that now. Now 
> I have that knowledge.  It is not my intention to embarrass anyone publicly. 
> I want them to admit their unprofessional behavior privately to me and admit 
> their mistakes. The matter between us will be over  without the community 
> ever knowing the embarrassing history or their identity. I'm a forgiving 
> person.
> 
> 
> By the way, I worked with many geologists, analysts, and a very well known 
> private petrology whole rock analysis company with a science research 
> department with a long experience in meteorite analysis, all who didn't play 
> any unethical games or act unprofessionally  that helped and guided me at key 
> moments in my study. To them I'm very grateful and in time they will get 
> their due credit when the story can go completely public.
> 
> 
> The discovery is what it is. You are wrong. I can prove it. Let's debate it 
> publicly and openly.
> 
> 
> There are many people who have contacted me privately that know the evidence 
> is true and real. My website is basic and simple, not spectacular, but it 
> fits my needs. I'm receiving traffic from all over the world and many images 
> and articles are being copied  and saved.
> 
> 
> It wasn't a coincidence that 

Re: [meteorite-list] WR Gallery Delay – U.S. World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

To the Metlist Admin(s),

With respect, why are these people (Ann Cain, Glyn Howard) not blocked from the 
metlist yet?  

This is clearly a scam, or the work of foolish people who refuse to listen to 
reason. Either way, we should not all be forced to receive their emails for 
years on end when they are clearly not representing an actual interest of any 
kind in meteoritics.

In order to protect the integrity of the Metlist as a valuable resource to the 
meteorite community, I respectfully request that you remove any emails 
associated with Ann Cain and Glyn Howard from the metlist.

Sincerely,
John A. Shea MD
IMCA 3295



Sent using the mail.com mail app

On 7/30/16 at 4:24 PM, Ann Cain wrote:

> Jason,
> 
> 
> I haven't checked this email account in many months. It's now summer time and 
> I have time to respond respectfully and I will do so.
> 
> 
> Why not discuss this in public openly? Post your original email to me on the 
> Meteorite List and I will address all your concerns one by one openly and 
> publicly, and we will debate it.
> 
> 
> I can say you are wrong and I can prove it.
> 
> 
> 
> I haven't embarrassed anyone. I've been very respectful. I have a right to 
> disagree, as do you, and to provide the evidence.
> 
> 
> 
> You do not know the background history of this discovery. You do not know the 
> several very well known (famous even) meteoriticists involved, who also know 
> the truth. As well, a very well known (famous) thin-section technician who 
> knows and does brilliant work. Anne knows him very well. The thin section 
> technician wants to stay out of the fray, he's done nothing wrong and has 
> been very honorable and very professional the entire time working with me. I 
> would like to continue using his very professional services. He's a great 
> guy. Professional. Straight up.
> 
> 
> But you should also know Scientists are human and have human feelings, and 
> failings, and competition and professional jealousy can and does occur in 
> science. I provided a link in the Meteorite List discussion for such a study 
> that validates that it does indeed happen at times in science.
> 
> 
> We are talking about a few scientists in the meteoritics world, not more. 
> They know who they are. I know them and they know me. I know what happened 
> when we met, I know what they did. I have all the emails for our 
> communications. I can instantly prove they misrepresented the truth and did 
> so purposefully. It's called "stone-walling" among other things. When I told 
> them I wouldn't tell them the discovery site until contracts "with the powers 
> that be" were agreed to, then all kinds of purposeful misinformation and 
> misrepresentation on their part occurred towards me. That is unethical and 
> unprofessional behavior. I already knew they were meteorites before coming to 
> them for their services. I already knew they were achondrites. I did not know 
> how to prove the Parent Body at the time. But I can do all of that now. Now I 
> have that knowledge.  It is not my intention to embarrass anyone publicly. I 
> want them to admit their unprofessional behavior privately to me and admit 
> their mistakes. The matter between us will be over without the community ever 
> knowing the embarrassing history or their identity. I'm a forgiving person.
> 
> 
> By the way, I worked with many geologists, analysts, and a very well known 
> private petrology whole rock analysis company with a science research 
> department with a long experience in meteorite analysis, all who didn't play 
> any unethical games or act unprofessionally that helped and guided me at key 
> moments in my study. To them I'm very grateful and in time they will get 
> their due credit when the story can go completely public.
> 
> 
> The discovery is what it is. You are wrong. I can prove it. Let's debate it 
> publicly and openly.
> 
> 
> There are many people who have contacted me privately that know the evidence 
> is true and real. My website is basic and simple, not spectacular, but it 
> fits my needs. I'm receiving traffic from all over the world and many images 
> and articles are being copied and saved.
> 
> 
> It wasn't a coincidence that when I went to the ACLU for support for my 
> discovery that "TPTB" changed the collecting laws "out of the blue" within 
> one month of that detailed email that I sent to the ACLU describing my 
> discovery and reaching out to them for their legal support. The original PhD 
> meteorite analysts who work at well known Universities that I went to for 
> help, also do government contracts. They know I know what I have. I know they 
> know what I have. People talk. There are no coincidences in this case. One of 
> these analysts even offered to have another look at the GSA and GSB specimens 
> knowing I now knew full well what they are and I could now prove it and prove 
> the PB. I said "No."  He had his chance.
> 
> 
> Its my discovery. I can do the initial analysis and do 

[meteorite-list] Regarding Datil

[Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list]

Thank you to everyone that called or emailed to remind me about Datil.

Mystery solved!





-- 
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia
http://www.MrMeteorite.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Help with "Datil" Meteorite

[Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list]

Yup, It was from Michael Cottingham  Now what is it really called?
 Did it ever get classified?

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Ruben Garcia
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just purchased a large meteorite collection of over 100 falls.  In
> the collection are some very rare specimens, but there is one that
> I've never heard of.
>
> It's called "Datil" and listed as a New Mexico fall but it is not in
> the Met-Bull.
>
> Here is a bit of info I found on the internet but does not explain why
> it never made it into the Met-Bull.
> http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/meteorite-extremely-datil-mexico-28g-139556105
>
> This seems like it could be Cottingham related but not sure...
>
> Maybe it is called something else?
>
> Any info is appreciated...
>
>
>
> Rock On!
>
> Ruben Garcia
> http://www.MrMeteorite.com



-- 
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Ruben Garcia
http://www.MrMeteorite.com
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[meteorite-list] Help with "Datil" Meteorite

[Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list]

Hi all,

I just purchased a large meteorite collection of over 100 falls.  In
the collection are some very rare specimens, but there is one that
I've never heard of.

It's called "Datil" and listed as a New Mexico fall but it is not in
the Met-Bull.

Here is a bit of info I found on the internet but does not explain why
it never made it into the Met-Bull.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/meteorite-extremely-datil-mexico-28g-139556105

This seems like it could be Cottingham related but not sure...

Maybe it is called something else?

Any info is appreciated...



Rock On!

Ruben Garcia
http://www.MrMeteorite.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] More Than Meteorites Fall from the Sky

[Rick Montgomery via Meteorite-list]

Wait for it..All sales of blue ice falling from the sky and sky high 
prices are hereby suspended until


-Original Message- 
From: MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list

Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 11:29 AM
To: valpar...@aol.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] More Than Meteorites Fall from the Sky

"Blue Ice meteorite" as quoted in the article, sounds like it could be an 
exciting find from The Antarctic!



-Original Message-
From: Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Fri, Jul 29, 2016 12:42 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] More Than Meteorites Fall from the Sky

Hmm. A meteorite from Uranus. Expect prices to be high!

Paul Swartz
IMCA 5204
MPOD Web Master (now accepting photo contributions)
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list]

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Monze

Contributed by: Paul Swartz

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=07/30/2016
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