Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone rattles solar system status quo

[Murray Paulson via Meteorite-list]

Hi Tommy:

A quick search shows that the scientists are on it and it is an
intriguing rock. The interstellar interloper that passed through the
solar system recently shows us that there is material from outside our
solar system and maybe these guys have found such a sample. Very cool!

Murray

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/eposter/1312.pdf

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Tommy via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
>   Have any of you folks heard about this and if so what are your thoughts?
>
> Regards!
>
> Tom
>
>
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180109112437.htm
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone rattles solar system status quo

[Gmail via Meteorite-list]

Seems strange that it has not been classified or published in the MetBull which 
makes me question any of the findings. If I understand correctly, 
meteoriticists/researchers cannot publish papers until the meteorite has been 
published in the MetBull.

Mendy Ouzillou

On Jan 9, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Tommy via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

  Have any of you folks heard about this and if so what are your thoughts?

Regards!

Tom


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180109112437.htm

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[meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone rattles solar system status quo

[Tommy via Meteorite-list]

  Have any of you folks heard about this and if so what are your thoughts?

Regards!

Tom


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180109112437.htm

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Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

[Murray Paulson via Meteorite-list]

Hi Michael:

Thanks so much for the clarification. That is a very positive outcome
for this threaCheers.

Murray

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182
> Expires:  09/30/2013
>
> It no longer is applicable, nor was it ever truly.  I got further than
> anyone in attempting to procure one of their so-called "permits"; they
> were never intended to be issued to anyone, nor is that memo a law.
> As Jim correctly points out, the law is silent on the meteorite front.
>
> Michael in so. Cal.
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> The law was updated on September 10, 2012.  They felt the law need to be
>> updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on how
>> valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities Act of
>> 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including massive land
>> grabs.
>>
>> Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to
>> meteorites:
>>
>> https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0
>>
>> The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>>
>>> What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???
>>>
>>> GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor
>>> any of the wording below.
>>> Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?
>>>
>>> My Ref:
>>>
>>> https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail  for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>> *From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>>> 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
>>> *To: *metlist 
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>>
>>> 43 CFR 8365.1-5
>>>
>>> Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public
>>>
>>> lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,
>>>
>>> certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas
>>>
>>> excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of
>>>
>>> Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas
>>>
>>> closed by supplemental regulations;
>>>
>>> Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,
>>>
>>> up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;
>>>
>>> Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and
>>>
>>> non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and
>>>
>>> Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be
>>>
>>> bartered or sold for commercial purposes.
>>>
>>> On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>>
>>>  > What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Jim Wooddell
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Sent from Mail  for
>>>
>>>  > Windows 10
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
>>>
>>>  > 
>>>
>>>  > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
>>>
>>>  > *To: *Raremeteorites 
>>>
>>>  > *Cc: *metlist 
>>>
>>>  > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or
>>> probable
>>>
>>>  > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government
>>>
>>>  > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
>>>
>>>  > >>
>>>  > > wrote:
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Hi Ruben and List,
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree
>>>
>>>  > with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about
>>> the
>>>
>>>  > monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still
>>> abide
>>>
>>>  > by them.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
>>>
>>>  > of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
>>>
>>>  > for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call.
>>>
>>>  > Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,
>>>
>>>  > jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the
>>> rest
>>>
>>>  > of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
>>>
>>>  > stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

[Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list]

Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182
Expires:  09/30/2013

It no longer is applicable, nor was it ever truly.  I got further than
anyone in attempting to procure one of their so-called "permits"; they
were never intended to be issued to anyone, nor is that memo a law.
As Jim correctly points out, the law is silent on the meteorite front.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> The law was updated on September 10, 2012.  They felt the law need to be
> updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on how
> valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities Act of
> 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including massive land
> grabs.
>
> Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to
> meteorites:
>
> https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0
>
> The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.
>
>
>
> On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>
>> What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???
>>
>> GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor
>> any of the wording below.
>> Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?
>>
>> My Ref:
>>
>> https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Sent from Mail  for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> *From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>> 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
>> *To: *metlist 
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>
>> 43 CFR 8365.1-5
>>
>> Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public
>>
>> lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,
>>
>> certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas
>>
>> excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of
>>
>> Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas
>>
>> closed by supplemental regulations;
>>
>> Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,
>>
>> up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;
>>
>> Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and
>>
>> non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and
>>
>> Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be
>>
>> bartered or sold for commercial purposes.
>>
>> On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>
>>  > What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Kind Regards,
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Jim Wooddell
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Sent from Mail  for
>>
>>  > Windows 10
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
>>
>>  > 
>>
>>  > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
>>
>>  > *To: *Raremeteorites 
>>
>>  > *Cc: *metlist 
>>
>>  > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or
>> probable
>>
>>  > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government
>>
>>  > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
>>
>>  > >
>>  > > wrote:
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Hi Ruben and List,
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree
>>
>>  > with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about
>> the
>>
>>  > monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still
>> abide
>>
>>  > by them.
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
>>
>>  > of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
>>
>>  > for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call.
>>
>>  > Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,
>>
>>  > jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the
>> rest
>>
>>  > of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
>>
>>  > stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Adam
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
>>
>>  > including Ads!
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via
>> Meteorite-list
>>
>>  > 

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

The law was updated on September 10, 2012.  They felt the law need to be 
updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on 
how valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities 
Act of 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including 
massive land grabs.


Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to 
meteorites:


https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0

The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.



On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???

GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor 
any of the wording below.

Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?

My Ref:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf

Jim

Sent from Mail  for 
Windows 10


*From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 


*Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
*To: *metlist 
*Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

43 CFR 8365.1-5

Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public

lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,

certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas

excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of

Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas

closed by supplemental regulations;

Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,

up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;

Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and

non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and

Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be

bartered or sold for commercial purposes.

On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

 > What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

 >

 > Kind Regards,

 >

 > Jim Wooddell

 >

 > Sent from Mail  for

 > Windows 10

 >

 > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list

 > 

 > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM

 > *To: *Raremeteorites 

 > *Cc: *metlist 

 > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

 >

 > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable

 > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government

 > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.

 >

 > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"

 >  > wrote:

 >

 > Hi Ruben and List,

 >

 > Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

 >

 > I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree

 > with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the

 > monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide

 > by them.

 >

 > Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk

 > of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit

 > for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call.

 > Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,

 > jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest

 > of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even

 > stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

 >

 > Adam

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

 >

 > This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,

 > including Ads!

 >

 >

 >

 > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list

 >  > wrote:

 >

 > Thanks for the heads up, but really...

 >

 > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

 >

 > 

 > On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

 >  > wrote:

 > I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in

 > mind that

 > selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is

 > against federal law.

 > I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as

 > some List Members

 > have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite

 > sales,

 > especially eBay. 

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???

GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor any of 
the wording below.
Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?

My Ref:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf

Jim

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
To: metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

43 CFR 8365.1-5

Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public 
lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites, 
certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas 
excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of 
Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas 
closed by supplemental regulations;

Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried, 
up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year; 
Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and 
non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and

Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be 
bartered or sold for commercial purposes.



On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
> What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Jim Wooddell
> 
> Sent from Mail  for 
> Windows 10
> 
> *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
> 
> *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
> *To: *Raremeteorites 
> *Cc: *metlist 
> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
> 
> I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable 
> fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government 
> or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
> 
> On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Ruben and List,
> 
> Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?
> 
> I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree
> with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the
> monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide
> by them.
> 
> Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
> of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
> for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call. 
> Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,
> jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest
> of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
> stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
> 
> This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
> including Ads!
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
>  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the heads up, but really...
> 
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> 
> 
> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>  > wrote:
> I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
> mind that
> selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
> against federal law.
> I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
> some List Members
> have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite
> sales,
> especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e.,
> for free and
> without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the
> BLM's
> regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
> certain public
> lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
> per person per
> year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of
> non-motorized and
> non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are
> okay. However,
> specimens that are casually collected are for personal use
> only, and may not
> be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
> 
> https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf
>  

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

43 CFR 8365.1-5

Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public 
lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites, 
certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas 
excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of 
Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas 
closed by supplemental regulations;


Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried, 
up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year; 
Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and 
non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and


Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be 
bartered or sold for commercial purposes.




On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

Kind Regards,

Jim Wooddell

Sent from Mail  for 
Windows 10


*From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 


*Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
*To: *Raremeteorites 
*Cc: *metlist 
*Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable 
fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government 
or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.


On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
> wrote:


Hi Ruben and List,

Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree
with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the
monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide
by them.

Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call. 
Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,

jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest
of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

Adam





On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
including Ads!



On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
> wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, but really...

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
> wrote:
I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
mind that
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
against federal law.
I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
some List Members
have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite
sales,
especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e.,
for free and
without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the
BLM's
regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
certain public
lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
per person per
year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of
non-motorized and
non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are
okay. However,
specimens that are casually collected are for personal use
only, and may not
be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf
Happy
hunting,
On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:
 > > List, > > I
have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about
24 hours. Most
started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids.
There are a few
items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from
Florida. Or NWA
11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end
cut with only 2
bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would
be the rarely
offered Arizona 

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

Kind Regards,

Jim Wooddell


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
To: Raremeteorites
Cc: metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable fall - 
in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government or state 
agency relating to meteorites or anything else.  
On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
 wrote:
Hi Ruben and List,

Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree with the new 
laws, that were incorporated after much press about the monetary value of 
meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide by them.

Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk of 
prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit for competitors 
and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call.  Not only that, dealers who 
break the law by selling these finds, jeopardize the collection of meteorites 
on public lands for the rest of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as 
examples for even stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

Adam





On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything, including Ads!



On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
Thanks for the heads up, but really...

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On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in mind that
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is against federal law.
I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as some List Members
have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite sales,
especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e., for free and
without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the BLM's
regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to certain public
lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected per person per
year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of non-motorized and
non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are okay. However,
specimens that are casually collected are for personal use only, and may not
be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf Happy
hunting,
On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: > > List, > > I
have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about 24 hours. Most
started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids. There are a few
items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from Florida. Or NWA
11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end cut with only 2
bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would be the rarely
offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead City. Another rarely
offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian Butte, aka
Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA 11184. It's a
2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't miss the
extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold quick, there are 2
more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick search on the
internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are practically
unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from my big find in
2007. > A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA 6581 an LL6. > NWA
10140 Lunar 1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite. > unclassified NWA type3
slices. > NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no bids and no
reserve! > > There are others as well, take a minute and check them out if
interested. > > Thank you. > > > >
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200
Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > > www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com >
IMCA # 1941 > > Ebay alienrockfarm > > >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Great line up of meteorites Larry!

Really nice 3+kg GB specimen from Nevada in there! 
Steal of a deal on a big NWA Eucrite end cut!

Really nice to see ads from people who aren't just selling the same old lunar 
meteorite every single week. ;-)

Cheers!



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On 1/8/18 at 4:45 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Adam,
> 
> 
> Man, you are killing me. Are you just bored? Why are you singling out me and 
> my auctions? I've never done anything to you, and don't say you are just 
> trying to protect me and other dealers, you are drawing undo attention, 
> that's not protection. Leave sleeping dogs lie. I can't believe that after 
> the last few years of watching you drag people into ridiculousville you've 
> finally got me. On one hand I really want to ignore you but I can't. 
> 
> 
> I sell once a year, enough to cover a tiny percentage of the costs of the 
> pursuit. I contribute valuable information and new meteorites to science as 
> often as I can, all with my own hard earned money. I started my poison ivy 
> control business 12 years ago just so that I could pursue meteorites and 
> contribute to the science. I spent thousands of my own dollars to open up and 
> document the Nevada side of Gold Basin, (which is now confirmed by Dr. Kring 
> and publication is pending.) How much sweat and treasure do you think Osceola 
> cost me? How about weeks and weeks on end for two winters in your back yard, 
> unraveling the Bullhead City strewn field all on my dime? I've worked very 
> hard over the years in my spare time to be a positive force in this hobby, 
> sharing with whom ever and wherever I can. And yes, I'm defensive right now 
> because I take your posts personally. I feel like you are trying to draw 
> attention to me, specifically, right now while my once or so a year ebay ads 
> are running,
  and I don't deserve that  You should pick someone else to target, maybe 
someone that is actually out doing bad things.
> 
> 
>  While I'm at it, if this was something that actually needed to be adhered 
> to, everyone that has ever bought a questionable meteorite should throw it in 
> the garbage right now. Universities and institutions that have procured these 
> same falls and finds should throw theirs on the burn pile too, or turn 
> themselves in and be prosecuted for trafficking. So as anyone of sound mind 
> can see, that's ridiculous and these laws are very much not unlike other b.s. 
> laws of the past and present, practically unenforceable and wrong to begin 
> with. A crime needs a victim by definition and I don't see a victim here. 
> Furthermore, the stones would have to be reclassified and proven to be 
> legitimate, then in the case of say Battle Mountain, Gold Basin, Franconia or 
> Indian Butte, to name a few, there is a checkerboard or mix of private / 
> public land. Which stone is this? Where was this particular stone found? 
> Prove where the stone came from! And all for what? What a joke, a complete 
> waste of resources. I
 t's like trying to enforce sodomy laws or tell people they can't smoke weed, 
forget it. My neighbor in Az is a county sheriff and I watch him do a rolling 
stop everyday at the stop sign in front of the house, do I lecture him? Should 
I call his boss? GET REAL. These laws you cite are wrong headed, or at the very 
least, if used to prosecute a guy like me, that would not be in the true spirit 
of which they were written. Despite the fact you say you don't agree with the 
laws, you seem to be quite an outspoken proponent on this list, unless of 
course it interferes with your pursuits.
> 
> 
> Adam, I used to have great respect for you, and though I can't take away 
> anything positive you've done in the past, it would seem your days of 
> positive contribution are over. During the past several years your posts have 
> continually deteriorated in such a negative way that I don't respect you 
> anymore. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you are the snitch you mention. 
> You're not my meteorite Daddy and I didn't ask for your advice or your 
> protection. Please do not comment on my posts in the future. Like I said to 
> you once in the past, relax man, get outside and go find a meteorite. Find 
> something  constructive to do. Based on the emails, texts and phone calls 
> I've received today, many others would agree.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Larry
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
> To: metlist 
> Sent: Mon, Jan 8, 2018 12:21 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!
> 
> What happens if meteorites are collected illegally from public lands?If 
> meteorites are collected illegally from public lands you can be cited under 
> FLPMA and the regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5(a) for illegal removal of any 
> personal property or any scientific resource or natural object. You will also 
> be 

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