Re: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire
Not specifically about meteorites, but rather a mineral collection that was partially destroyed by fire, creating similar recovery problems, described in Dr Steven Chamberlain's article in Rocks & Minerals, vol 83 (2008), #2 This has a lot of helpful information that would apply to meteorite collections too. On 5 September 2018 at 08:57, michael kelly via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > This is very sad. > > It does bring up a question i have thought about and am interested in what > the list members think/do for fire assurance. > > Is there a way to store a collection that would help protect it from > fire. I am talking along the full spectrum of effects from a small room > fire indirect heat. to a full structural fire. I just recently started > collecting and i am working on a type collection of micros so everything i > own besides two fist size nwa unclassified is sitting in a plastic case, > very meltable even at low heat exposure. Its currently out for viewing so > my estimate is i would have plastic indistinguishable blobs even from > indirect heat. And wouldnt be able to tell things apart once the case > markings are lost. Is there a better way to mark? > > I already owned a safe, and have seen crusing meteorite articles that > others store in safes, but was always interested in knowing if that was for > security, to leverage some sealed enviornmental aspect (even the small ones > come desicated) or for fire risk. Or a combo of all. I know fire ratings > are a bit hokey on safes. And in fires if a safe is not on the foundation > level its pretty much doomed. And in most cases is apt to sit in hot > rubble conditions longer than its rated for. Or under water in a flooded > rubble filled basement longer than it is flood rated for. > > I am guessing however in either of the latter scenarios if stored in non > plastic inner containers they would be fine. > > Wondering what everones take is on fireproofing collections. Is there a > decent way to fireproof and still be displayable? Are folks using safes > thinking it will help in a fire? > > If exposed to a bad fire has there ever been an effort to reidentify and > restore specimins? > > On Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 1:00:55 PM EDT, Jeff Kuyken via > Meteorite-list wrote: > > > Truely a sad day for Brazil and all however the Bendego meteorite has at > least survived: > > https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/00ec8479c0e3b749032f0c0cbde1ffc3 > > Cheers, > > Jeff Kuyken > Meteorites Australia > www.meteorites.com.au > IMCA #3085 > www.imca.cc > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:54 PM +1000, "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list" > wrote: > > Absolutely a tragedy for all humanity. Massive collections of historical > items. > > Michael Farmer > > > On Sep 3, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Paul via Meteorite-list wrote: > > > > Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable' > > damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner > > and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018 > > https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html > > > > Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News > > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774 > > > > Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News > > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084 > > > > Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus > > skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and > > countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a > > meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite. > > > > Luzia Woman > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman > > > > Bendegó Meteorite > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite > > https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html > > > > Yours, > > > > Paul H. > > > > __ > > > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing > listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-l
Re: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire
This is very sad. It does bring up a question i have thought about and am interested in what the list members think/do for fire assurance. Is there a way to store a collection that would help protect it from fire. I am talking along the full spectrum of effects from a small room fire indirect heat. to a full structural fire. I just recently started collecting and i am working on a type collection of micros so everything i own besides two fist size nwa unclassified is sitting in a plastic case, very meltable even at low heat exposure. Its currently out for viewing so my estimate is i would have plastic indistinguishable blobs even from indirect heat. And wouldnt be able to tell things apart once the case markings are lost. Is there a better way to mark? I already owned a safe, and have seen crusing meteorite articles that others store in safes, but was always interested in knowing if that was for security, to leverage some sealed enviornmental aspect (even the small ones come desicated) or for fire risk. Or a combo of all. I know fire ratings are a bit hokey on safes. And in fires if a safe is not on the foundation level its pretty much doomed. And in most cases is apt to sit in hot rubble conditions longer than its rated for. Or under water in a flooded rubble filled basement longer than it is flood rated for. I am guessing however in either of the latter scenarios if stored in non plastic inner containers they would be fine. Wondering what everones take is on fireproofing collections. Is there a decent way to fireproof and still be displayable? Are folks using safes thinking it will help in a fire? If exposed to a bad fire has there ever been an effort to reidentify and restore specimins? On Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 1:00:55 PM EDT, Jeff Kuyken via Meteorite-list wrote: Truely a sad day for Brazil and all however the Bendego meteorite has at least survived: https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/00ec8479c0e3b749032f0c0cbde1ffc3 Cheers, Jeff KuykenMeteorites Australiawww.meteorites.com.auIMCA #3085www.imca.cc On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:54 PM +1000, "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list" wrote: Absolutely a tragedy for all humanity. Massive collections of historical items. Michael Farmer > On Sep 3, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Paul via Meteorite-list wrote: > > Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable' > damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner > and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018 > https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html > > Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774 > > Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084 > > Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus > skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and > countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a > meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite. > > Luzia Woman > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman > > Bendegó Meteorite > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite > https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html > > Yours, > > Paul H. > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Iron Creek and Elbogen specimens FS
Dear Meteorite Friends, Hope you are all well! As a component of my ongoing “wedding sales” I have updated my website to include specimens of some rare historic irons and a lovely meteorite watch. New on my site: Iron Creek, Canada 1.15g – An exceptionally rare meteorite specimen from the Manitou stone of the Cree Indians from Saskatchewan. Elbogen, Czech Republic – A selection of 10 specimens from one of the oldest and most legendary meteorites in history. A Gibeon meteorite watch with titanium casing and band, at bargain price in used condition. www.bigjohnmeteorites.com As usual, excellent deals on the specimens listed previously at the site. Hope you are all having a great week! Cheers! John A. Shea, MD IMCA 3295 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 11273 Contributed by: Gabriele Fontana http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=09/05/2018 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
