Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

[Anne Black via Meteorite-list]

Didn't I see a short response by Carl Agee saying that yes all 3 are indeed the 
same meteorite?I can't find it now.

Anne blackimpactika.comimpact...@aol.com


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From: Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list 
To: 'Roberto Vargas' 
Cc: 'Meteorite List' 
Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2020 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

Roberto,

Well … You are right. Unless you bought material that can be traced back to
any of the mass holders listed in the classification, then those stones are
not “Erg Chech 002” and have either been visually paired and sold improperly
under that name, visually paired and sold as visually paired, AND/OR are in
process of getting their own numbers paired by classification. 

Just because a meteorite can be paired visually does not mean that it should
or can be classified as such. I would recommend reading the guidelines
(https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/docs/nc-guidelines.pdf) to understand how
names and pairings are determined for falls versus dense collection area
finds. The system is not perfect and for sure needs improvements to reflect
the situation on the ground, but I believe we as a community are better off
recommending changes working with and within the MetSoc. However, doing so
means that we have to address not just our concerns but also the concerns of
the MetSoc and NomCom. In order to find common ground, we as hunters,
collectors, dealers, etc. need to understand their reasons for why the rules
are as they are. Changes forced from the outside are rarely effective.

If you want to have a more in-depth discussion, feel free to contact me off
list. 

Mendy

From: Roberto Vargas  
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 1:44 PM
To: Gmail 
Cc: Galactic Stone & Ironworks ; Meteorite List

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals,
including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

Hey Mendy,
Thanks for your response, but if that’s true, Erg Chech 002 should have like
30 different NWA numbers. Same with 869 and Al Haggounia 001 and about a
thousand other NWAs. The Martian is unique looking enough and has a
unique-ish composition, was all found around the same time and submitted
around the same time. It’s all the same material. Just because it was sold
to a handful of dealers shouldn’t mean it’s a handful of different
meteorites (opinion).
~Roberto




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From: Gmail 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:21:28 PM
To: Roberto Vargas 
Cc: Galactic Stone & Ironworks ; Meteorite
List 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals,
including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more. 
 
Roberto, 

That’s the way it’s supposed to be. There is no self pairing with the “same”
meteorites from dense collection areas.

Regards,
Mendy Ouzillou

On Aug 3, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
Interesting how all three Martian Shergottites have poikilitic texture.
Almost like they’re all the same material

Get https://aka.ms/o0ukef

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behalf of Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list

Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:15:03 PM
To: Meteorite List 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more. 
 
Hi List,

Lots of new and interesting approvals in the latest Met Bull update.
These include some early NWAs going back to 2002.

Link -
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names==
alls===contains=50=ge==All=name
eg=All=All7=Normal%20table==1



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[meteorite-list] Bill Mason

[Lawrence Monrad via Meteorite-list]

Let me add my condolences.   As Gary said, Bill also took care of a couple
of Jim Kriegh's and my infamous nice sized Nantans.  He took them home one
year and returned them to the old Innsuites with them the following year and
did a wonderful job.  All he would accept was a bag of my chocolate
meteorite truffles.   I feel fortunate that I spoke with John/Tracie a
couple of weeks ago and left a message for Bill on Sunday. I like to think
he heard my message just saying that I was thinking of him and hoped to see
him in Tucson.  Twink Monrad

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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

[Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list]

Hey Mendy,
Thanks for your response, but if that’s true, Erg Chech 002 should have like 30 
different NWA numbers. Same with 869 and Al Haggounia 001 and about a thousand 
other NWAs. The Martian is unique looking enough and has a unique-ish 
composition, was all found around the same time and submitted around the same 
time. It’s all the same material. Just because it was sold to a handful of 
dealers shouldn’t mean it’s a handful of different meteorites (opinion).
~Roberto




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From: Gmail 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:21:28 PM
To: Roberto Vargas 
Cc: Galactic Stone & Ironworks ; Meteorite List 

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

Roberto,

That’s the way it’s supposed to be. There is no self pairing with the “same” 
meteorites from dense collection areas.

Regards,

Mendy Ouzillou

On Aug 3, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list 
mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>>
 wrote:

Interesting how all three Martian Shergottites have poikilitic texture. Almost 
like they’re all the same material

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To: Meteorite List 
mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

Hi List,

Lots of new and interesting approvals in the latest Met Bull update.
These include some early NWAs going back to 2002.

Link - 
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names=contains=50=ge==All=name=All=All7=Normal%20table==1



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Re: [meteorite-list] William H. Mason III

[Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list]

This news saddens me also as Bill was a stalwart protector of meteorites 
through his research and development of Paleobond products. Bill also took in 
sick meteorites to rehabilitate, often as with for me, seeking no compensation 
for his work.

Bill “Rusty” Mason will be missed but his legacy lives on. 

Sent from Gary's iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:32 AM, Matt Morgan via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sad to hear this. He was a very intelligent and kind person and certainly 
> left his mark on our community.
> Matt
> 
> -
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> Https://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80228
>> On Aug 4, 2020, at 11:26 AM, "tracie paleobond.com via Meteorite-list" 
>>  wrote:
>> It is with great sadness that we share our esteemed mentor and partner
>> William H. Mason III passed peacefully Sunday evening August 2, 2020.
>> Bill was a great friend and scientist. His contributions to the preservation 
>> of fossils,
>> minerals and meteorites will be an everlasting legacy. He lived 88 years of 
>> fun, laughter and joy
>> helping people solve problems. He will be sorely missed by his friends and 
>> family.
>> No plans have been made at this time due to Covid to honor him as a group.
>> We encourage all of you to be kind and do something for your friend and 
>> neighbor in his honor.
>> We’ll announce on the PaleoBOND website and facebook page
>> when a future celebration of his life will occur.
>> Thank you in advance for your friendship and support of PaleoBOND for over 
>> the last 40 years.
>> John and I will strive to carry on in his footsteps.
>> 
>> 
>> Tracie Bennitt
>> 
>> 
>> PaleoBOND
>> 1067 E. US Highway 24 #191
>> Woodland Park, CO 80863
>> 651-227-7000
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[meteorite-list] Did subglacial meltwater create Martian channels and valleys?

[Paul via Meteorite-list]

Early Mars was covered in ice sheets, not

flowing rivers, researchers say

University of British Columbia, August 3, 2020

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200803120154.htm

Summary:

"A large number of the valley networks scarring

Mars's surface were carved by water melting

beneath glacial ice, not by free-flowing rivers

as previously thought, according to new research.'

Grau Galofre, A., Jellinek, A.M. & Osinski, G.R,.

2020, Valley formation on early Mars by

subglacial and fluvial erosion. Nature Geoscience, 2020

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-020-0618-x

Other recent papers:

Shaw, J., Gilbert, R.G., Sharpe, D.R., Lesemann,

J.E. and Young, R.R., 2020. The origins of s-forms:

Form similarity, process analogy, and links to

high-energy, subglacial meltwater flows.

Earth-Science Reviews, 200, p.102994.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012825219301710

Rodriguez, J.A.P., Dobrea, E.N., Kargel, J.S., Baker,

V.R., Crown, D.A., Webster, K.D., Berman, D.C.,

Wilhelm, M.B. and Buckner, D., 2020. The Oldest

Highlands of Mars May Be Massive Dust Fallout

Deposits. Scientific reports, 10(1), pp.1-15. Open Access

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-64676-z

Yours,

Paul H.

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list]

Today''s Meteorite Picture of the Day: Al Haggounia 001 TS

Contributed by: Anne Black

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=08/07/2020
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