Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15
I’m not getting in the middle of these discussions. I will simply make the following 3 statements + 1 opinion: 1. Here is Mohamed’s exact statement: “Hi all members liste , I have a nice carbonaceous Nwa 15758 CK6 paired ,if anyone interested please contacte me.” Notice that he used the word “paired” making no claim it was part of the TKW of NWA 15758. 2. This discussion about “pairing” has been going on for forever. The Global Meteorite Association has a policy to guide transparency: https://gmeta.org/standards/descriptive-terms/pair-pairings. Mohamed could have use better terminology to clarify the type of pairing, but I personally did not see his description as problematic and applauded his transparency. 3. On a related note, when a north African (or any seller) offers material for sale that is unclassified, there is NO issue with doing so. They are under no obligation to get material classified before trying to sell. As long as both parties are transparent, and they agree to the terms of the transaction, there is no injury to either party. My opinion is that our community is sufficiently large that we cannot know every seller, much less their intent. Most of us do repeat business with sellers we trust, but that in no way means that all other sellers have ill intent. Like anything transaction in life – caveat emptor. My regards to the community, Mendy From: Meteorite-list On Behalf Of Mark Lyon via Meteorite-list Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 9:50 PM To: humboldt bay jay Cc: Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15 Jason Humboldt, You just have to learn to tune out Jason utas. He has been doing this for years. He isnt going to change. You should have seen some of the messages he sent me before i blocked him. The first time I met him he went in my display room in tucson and started complaining about me selling taza (nwa 859) because it was his dad's classification. Then he claimed he was just using it as an example because he thought he overheard me attacking dustin Dickens (a friend of mine) for pairing meteorites. More recently, he made damaging accusations about omolon specimens actually being brahin. Not caring how it affected a Russian group who had just spent months travelling and collecting the materials. He always thinks he is right, and he very seldom is.For the record, you did not attack a Moroccan seller. You politely told him not to use your classification, which was probably a single person classification with low total known weight. Anyone with common sense can see that this is different from huge finds like hah346 and jikhara 001 and erg chech and whatever else he complained about. I didn't read his whole message because I have heard it all before. Collectors want to know they are getting these, and not another meteorite. People are not using these names to be dishonest but to accurately describe what they are selling. It would be doing the community a disservice not to use these names. On Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 9:04 AM humboldt bay jay via Meteorite-list mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > wrote: I appreciate the immense amount of time I anticipated you would spend on your reply. Thinking extensively about this, I wondered why you tried to shame me as a hypocrite, even when you have witness to me striving for best practices. Having autism I often struggle to understand people's intention. Many times I have gone wrong assuming the worst in people's actions. So one of my strategies is to try to think of the best possible intention that someone could have. I admit sometimes it is difficult with your approach (and attempt to shame me) but since your critique was not sound I came to reason that you saw an injustice that I perpetrated against Benzaki Mohamed and you felt the need to "punch the bully in his face". A fierce sense of justice that sometimes leads me to act foolish is also part of my condition so I was able to have sympathy with this realization. Now that you have responded I can more clearly see your intention. So here is my considered response. To the community: I am happy to assist with meteoritics in any way that I can. If you have material that you feel might be paired with mine I am happy to look at any information and give my honest response. It would be unethical and dirty feeling to do otherwise. I have not made it to where I am in life by acting in short term interests. Relationships are life long. To Benzaki Mohamed: I am sorry if I shamed you. I am often blunt and act quickly. Jason's best point is that I should have reached out to you in private first. If you send me images or any supporting information I am happy to give you my honest opinion. You would then have my full support marketing the material as paired if it checks out. To Jason: I forgive you. I know what
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15
Jason Humboldt, You just have to learn to tune out Jason utas. He has been doing this for years. He isnt going to change. You should have seen some of the messages he sent me before i blocked him. The first time I met him he went in my display room in tucson and started complaining about me selling taza (nwa 859) because it was his dad's classification. Then he claimed he was just using it as an example because he thought he overheard me attacking dustin Dickens (a friend of mine) for pairing meteorites. More recently, he made damaging accusations about omolon specimens actually being brahin. Not caring how it affected a Russian group who had just spent months travelling and collecting the materials. He always thinks he is right, and he very seldom is.For the record, you did not attack a Moroccan seller. You politely told him not to use your classification, which was probably a single person classification with low total known weight. Anyone with common sense can see that this is different from huge finds like hah346 and jikhara 001 and erg chech and whatever else he complained about. I didn't read his whole message because I have heard it all before. Collectors want to know they are getting these, and not another meteorite. People are not using these names to be dishonest but to accurately describe what they are selling. It would be doing the community a disservice not to use these names. On Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 9:04 AM humboldt bay jay via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > I appreciate the immense amount of time I anticipated you would spend on > your reply. > > Thinking extensively about this, I wondered why you tried to shame me as a > hypocrite, even when you have witness to me striving for best practices. > Having autism I often struggle to understand people's intention. Many > times I have gone wrong assuming the worst in people's actions. So one of > my strategies is to try to think of the best possible intention that > someone could have. I admit sometimes it is difficult with your approach > (and attempt to shame me) but since your critique was not sound I came to > reason that you saw an injustice that I perpetrated against Benzaki Mohamed > and you felt the need to "punch the bully in his face". A fierce sense of > justice that sometimes leads me to act foolish is also part of my condition > so I was able to have sympathy with this realization. Now that you have > responded I can more clearly see your intention. So here is my considered > response. > > To the community: I am happy to assist with meteoritics in any way that I > can. If you have material that you feel might be paired with mine I am > happy to look at any information and give my honest response. It would be > unethical and dirty feeling to do otherwise. I have not made it to where I > am in life by acting in short term interests. Relationships are life long. > > To Benzaki Mohamed: I am sorry if I shamed you. I am often blunt and act > quickly. Jason's best point is that I should have reached out to you in > private first. If you send me images or any supporting information I am > happy to give you my honest opinion. You would then have my full support > marketing the material as paired if it checks out. > > To Jason: I forgive you. I know what it is like to have conflict with the > world. > > Best regards, > Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 5:50 PM Jason Utas wrote: > >> Hello Jason, >> >> As long as material is described accurately, I don't care what you do. I >> only butted in here because it annoyed me to see you attacking a Moroccan >> seller who is probably selling accurately paired material, while you’re >> openly doing the same thing with other meteorites. Glass house + throwing >> stones, not cool. >> >> I'm saying that it *should* be fine for you to buy and sell HaH 346 and >> Jikharra 001 as those meteorites as long as you've accurately IDd them. >> But not if you're going to tell other people they can't do the same thing. >> That's the rub. >> >> Your points - >> >> 1 & 4) Why does it matter where you got your HaH 346? It didn't matter >> to you where Benzaki got his NWA 15758. >> >> Your posts didn't address the origin of Benzaki Mohamed's CK in any >> way, or whether or not his material is paired with NWA 15758. Based on >> everything you've shared here, you don't know or care about whether or not >> Benzaki's material is paired with yours. Your concern is "your NWA number" >> and protecting that investment. I can empathize with that, but your #1 and >> #4 bullet points don't agree with your actions: >> >> Did you ask Benzaki where his material had come from before you sent that >> public complaint? No. Did you confirm that it came from a different >> finder, the same place, or a different place? No. When it came to >> 'protecting your NWA number,' none of that mattered. Sure, the onus is on >> him to show it's
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
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