Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15
Shannon, And? Don't tease us---who had more fun?--you or the kids? Which pallasite? Best, John > On 03/23/2024 10:32 PM EDT Hotmail wrote: > > > All, > > I have been a member for around bit over a year— ever since I bought my first > meteorite, an end chunk of Pallasite. I took that meteorite to my daughter’s > eight grade class and presented to the entire class, passing it around. It > was a really enjoyable experience for me. > > Anyway I just wanted to say that I learned a ton from that email chain over > the past few days!! > > Shannon > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 23, 2024, at 22:00, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list > > wrote: > > > > Hello Anne, > > > > In most cases, I Agree. In this case, both parties were respectful but had > > different views of > > several implications of information divulgence. I enjoyed their points and > > the results. > > > > Meteorite related aspects and meteorite discussions on a Meteorite-List, > > Brilliant!! > > John Lutzon > > > >> On 03/23/2024 2:19 PM EDT Anne Black via Meteorite-list > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hey Everybody, > >> > >> When you have a disagreement with somebody, did you ever consider > >> resolving it PRIVATELY? > >> > >> > >> Anne Black > >> IMPACTIKA.com > >> impact...@aol.com > >> > >> > >> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 08:27:09 PM MDT, Mendy Ouzillou via > >> Meteorite-list wrote: > >> > >> > >> I’m not getting in the middle of these discussions. I will simply make the > >> following 3 statements + 1 opinion: > >> 1. Here is Mohamed’s exact statement: “Hi all members liste , I have a > >> nice carbonaceous Nwa 15758 CK6 paired ,if anyone interested please > >> contacte me.” Notice that he used the word “paired” making no claim it was > >> part of the TKW of NWA 15758. > >> 2. This discussion about “pairing” has been going on for forever. The > >> Global Meteorite Association has a policy to guide transparency: > >> https://gmeta.org/standards/descriptive-terms/pair-pairings. Mohamed could > >> have use better terminology to clarify the type of pairing, but I > >> personally did not see his description as problematic and applauded his > >> transparency. > >> 3. On a related note, when a north African (or any seller) offers > >> material for sale that is unclassified, there is NO issue with doing so. > >> They are under no obligation to get material classified before trying to > >> sell. As long as both parties are transparent, and they agree to the terms > >> of the transaction, there is no injury to either party. > >> > >> My opinion is that our community is sufficiently large that we cannot know > >> every seller, much less their intent. Most of us do repeat business with > >> sellers we trust, but that in no way means that all other sellers have ill > >> intent. Like anything transaction in life – caveat emptor. > >> > >> My regards to the community, > >> > >> Mendy > >> > >> From:Meteorite-list On > >> Behalf OfMark Lyon via Meteorite-list > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 9:50 PM > >> To: humboldt bay jay > >> Cc: Meteorite-list > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15 > >> > >> Jason Humboldt, > >> > >> You just have to learn to tune out Jason utas. He has been doing this for > >> years. He isnt going to change. You should have seen some of the messages > >> he sent me before i blocked him. The first time I met him he went in my > >> display room in tucson and started complaining about me selling taza (nwa > >> 859) because it was his dad's classification. Then he claimed he was just > >> using it as an example because he thought he overheard me attacking dustin > >> Dickens (a friend of mine) for pairing meteorites. More recently, he made > >> damaging accusations about omolon specimens actually being brahin. Not > >> caring how it affected a Russian group who had just spent months > >> travelling and collecting the materials. He always thinks he is right, and > >> he very seldom is. For the record, you did not attack a Moroccan seller. > >> You politely told him not to use your classification, which was probably a > >> single person classification with low total known weight. Anyone with > >> common sense can see that this is different from huge finds like hah346 > >> and jikhara 001 and erg chech and whatever else he complained about. I > >> didn't read his whole message because I have heard it all before. > >> Collectors want to know they are getting these, and not another meteorite. > >> People are not using these names to be dishonest but to accurately > >> describe what they are selling. It would be doing the community a > >> disservice not to use these names. > >> > >>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 9:04 AM humboldt bay jay via Meteorite-list > >>> wrote: > >>> I appreciate the immense amount of time I anticipated you would spend on > >>> your reply. > >>> > >>> Thinking extensively
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15
Ha, ha, Mark, do not feel honored, she talks about me too. ;-) I'm sure, on other social meteorite platforms things are very busy, busy, and great for business. For some not in the groove, but here, it would be great for anyone to throw up anything meteorite and we'll see where the meteorites fall. I sometime reply in an unusual manner-- and then just blame it on Anne. JL > On 03/23/2024 10:09 PM EDT Mark Lyon wrote: > > > She could be talking about me. I was being very disrespectful. > > > On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 7:00 PM John Lutzon via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > Hello Anne, > > > > In most cases, I Agree. In this case, both parties were respectful but had > > different views of > > several implications of information divulgence. I enjoyed their points and > > the results. > > > > Meteorite related aspects and meteorite discussions on a Meteorite-List, > > Brilliant!! > > John Lutzon > > > > > On 03/23/2024 2:19 PM EDT Anne Black via Meteorite-list > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > > > When you have a disagreement with somebody, did you ever consider > > resolving it PRIVATELY? > > > > > > > > > Anne Black > > > IMPACTIKA.com > > > impact...@aol.com > > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 08:27:09 PM MDT, Mendy Ouzillou via > > Meteorite-list wrote: > > > > > > > > > I’m not getting in the middle of these discussions. I will simply make > > the following 3 statements + 1 opinion: > > > 1. Here is Mohamed’s exact statement: “Hi all members liste , I have a > > nice carbonaceous Nwa 15758 CK6 paired ,if anyone interested please > > contacte me.” Notice that he used the word “paired” making no claim it was > > part of the TKW of NWA 15758. > > > 2. This discussion about “pairing” has been going on for forever. The > > Global Meteorite Association has a policy to guide transparency: > > https://gmeta.org/standards/descriptive-terms/pair-pairings. Mohamed could > > have use better terminology to clarify the type of pairing, but I > > personally did not see his description as problematic and applauded his > > transparency. > > > 3. On a related note, when a north African (or any seller) offers > > material for sale that is unclassified, there is NO issue with doing so. > > They are under no obligation to get material classified before trying to > > sell. As long as both parties are transparent, and they agree to the terms > > of the transaction, there is no injury to either party. > > > > > > My opinion is that our community is sufficiently large that we cannot > > know every seller, much less their intent. Most of us do repeat business > > with sellers we trust, but that in no way means that all other sellers have > > ill intent. Like anything transaction in life – caveat emptor. > > > > > > My regards to the community, > > > > > > Mendy > > > > > > From:Meteorite-list On > > Behalf OfMark Lyon via Meteorite-list > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 9:50 PM > > > To: humboldt bay jay > > > Cc: Meteorite-list > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15 > > > > > > Jason Humboldt, > > > > > > You just have to learn to tune out Jason utas. He has been doing this > > for years. He isnt going to change. You should have seen some of the > > messages he sent me before i blocked him. The first time I met him he went > > in my display room in tucson and started complaining about me selling taza > > (nwa 859) because it was his dad's classification. Then he claimed he was > > just using it as an example because he thought he overheard me attacking > > dustin Dickens (a friend of mine) for pairing meteorites. More recently, he > > made damaging accusations about omolon specimens actually being brahin. Not > > caring how it affected a Russian group who had just spent months travelling > > and collecting the materials. He always thinks he is right, and he very > > seldom is. For the record, you did not attack a Moroccan seller. You > > politely told him not to use your classification, which was probably a > > single person classification with low total known weight. Anyone with > > common sense can see that this is different from huge finds like hah346 and > > jikhara 001 and erg chech and whatever else he complained about. I didn't > > read his whole message because I have heard it all before. Collectors want > > to know they are getting these, and not another meteorite. People are not > > using these names to be dishonest but to accurately describe what they are > > selling. It would be doing the community a disservice not to use these > > names. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 9:04 AM humboldt bay jay via Meteorite-list > > wrote: > > > > I appreciate the immense amount of time I anticipated you would spend > > on your reply. > > > > > > > > Thinking extensively about this, I wondered why you tried to
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15
All, I have been a member for around bit over a year— ever since I bought my first meteorite, an end chunk of Pallasite. I took that meteorite to my daughter’s eight grade class and presented to the entire class, passing it around. It was a really enjoyable experience for me. Anyway I just wanted to say that I learned a ton from that email chain over the past few days!! Shannon Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 23, 2024, at 22:00, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > Hello Anne, > > In most cases, I Agree. In this case, both parties were respectful but had > different views of > several implications of information divulgence. I enjoyed their points and > the results. > > Meteorite related aspects and meteorite discussions on a Meteorite-List, > Brilliant!! > John Lutzon > >> On 03/23/2024 2:19 PM EDT Anne Black via Meteorite-list >> wrote: >> >> >> Hey Everybody, >> >> When you have a disagreement with somebody, did you ever consider resolving >> it PRIVATELY? >> >> >> Anne Black >> IMPACTIKA.com >> impact...@aol.com >> >> >> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 08:27:09 PM MDT, Mendy Ouzillou via >> Meteorite-list wrote: >> >> >> I’m not getting in the middle of these discussions. I will simply make the >> following 3 statements + 1 opinion: >> 1. Here is Mohamed’s exact statement: “Hi all members liste , I have a nice >> carbonaceous Nwa 15758 CK6 paired ,if anyone interested please contacte me.” >> Notice that he used the word “paired” making no claim it was part of the TKW >> of NWA 15758. >> 2. This discussion about “pairing” has been going on for forever. The >> Global Meteorite Association has a policy to guide transparency: >> https://gmeta.org/standards/descriptive-terms/pair-pairings. Mohamed could >> have use better terminology to clarify the type of pairing, but I personally >> did not see his description as problematic and applauded his transparency. >> 3. On a related note, when a north African (or any seller) offers material >> for sale that is unclassified, there is NO issue with doing so. They are >> under no obligation to get material classified before trying to sell. As >> long as both parties are transparent, and they agree to the terms of the >> transaction, there is no injury to either party. >> >> My opinion is that our community is sufficiently large that we cannot know >> every seller, much less their intent. Most of us do repeat business with >> sellers we trust, but that in no way means that all other sellers have ill >> intent. Like anything transaction in life – caveat emptor. >> >> My regards to the community, >> >> Mendy >> >> From:Meteorite-list On Behalf >> OfMark Lyon via Meteorite-list >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 9:50 PM >> To: humboldt bay jay >> Cc: Meteorite-list >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15 >> >> Jason Humboldt, >> >> You just have to learn to tune out Jason utas. He has been doing this for >> years. He isnt going to change. You should have seen some of the messages he >> sent me before i blocked him. The first time I met him he went in my display >> room in tucson and started complaining about me selling taza (nwa 859) >> because it was his dad's classification. Then he claimed he was just using >> it as an example because he thought he overheard me attacking dustin Dickens >> (a friend of mine) for pairing meteorites. More recently, he made damaging >> accusations about omolon specimens actually being brahin. Not caring how it >> affected a Russian group who had just spent months travelling and collecting >> the materials. He always thinks he is right, and he very seldom is. For the >> record, you did not attack a Moroccan seller. You politely told him not to >> use your classification, which was probably a single person classification >> with low total known weight. Anyone with common sense can see that this is >> different from huge finds like hah346 and jikhara 001 and erg chech and >> whatever else he complained about. I didn't read his whole message because I >> have heard it all before. Collectors want to know they are getting these, >> and not another meteorite. People are not using these names to be dishonest >> but to accurately describe what they are selling. It would be doing the >> community a disservice not to use these names. >> >>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 9:04 AM humboldt bay jay via Meteorite-list >>> wrote: >>> I appreciate the immense amount of time I anticipated you would spend on >>> your reply. >>> >>> Thinking extensively about this, I wondered why you tried to shame me as a >>> hypocrite, even when you have witness to me striving for best practices. >>> Having autism I often struggle to understand people's intention. Many times >>> I have gone wrong assuming the worst in people's actions. So one of my >>> strategies is to try to think of the best possible intention that someone >>> could have. I
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15
Hello Anne, In most cases, I Agree. In this case, both parties were respectful but had different views of several implications of information divulgence. I enjoyed their points and the results. Meteorite related aspects and meteorite discussions on a Meteorite-List, Brilliant!! John Lutzon > On 03/23/2024 2:19 PM EDT Anne Black via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > > Hey Everybody, > > When you have a disagreement with somebody, did you ever consider resolving > it PRIVATELY? > > > Anne Black > IMPACTIKA.com > impact...@aol.com > > > On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 08:27:09 PM MDT, Mendy Ouzillou via > Meteorite-list wrote: > > > I’m not getting in the middle of these discussions. I will simply make the > following 3 statements + 1 opinion: > 1. Here is Mohamed’s exact statement: “Hi all members liste , I have a nice > carbonaceous Nwa 15758 CK6 paired ,if anyone interested please contacte me.” > Notice that he used the word “paired” making no claim it was part of the TKW > of NWA 15758. > 2. This discussion about “pairing” has been going on for forever. The > Global Meteorite Association has a policy to guide transparency: > https://gmeta.org/standards/descriptive-terms/pair-pairings. Mohamed could > have use better terminology to clarify the type of pairing, but I personally > did not see his description as problematic and applauded his transparency. > 3. On a related note, when a north African (or any seller) offers material > for sale that is unclassified, there is NO issue with doing so. They are > under no obligation to get material classified before trying to sell. As long > as both parties are transparent, and they agree to the terms of the > transaction, there is no injury to either party. > > My opinion is that our community is sufficiently large that we cannot know > every seller, much less their intent. Most of us do repeat business with > sellers we trust, but that in no way means that all other sellers have ill > intent. Like anything transaction in life – caveat emptor. > > My regards to the community, > > Mendy > > From:Meteorite-list On Behalf > OfMark Lyon via Meteorite-list > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 9:50 PM > To: humboldt bay jay > Cc: Meteorite-list > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15 > > Jason Humboldt, > > You just have to learn to tune out Jason utas. He has been doing this for > years. He isnt going to change. You should have seen some of the messages he > sent me before i blocked him. The first time I met him he went in my display > room in tucson and started complaining about me selling taza (nwa 859) > because it was his dad's classification. Then he claimed he was just using it > as an example because he thought he overheard me attacking dustin Dickens (a > friend of mine) for pairing meteorites. More recently, he made damaging > accusations about omolon specimens actually being brahin. Not caring how it > affected a Russian group who had just spent months travelling and collecting > the materials. He always thinks he is right, and he very seldom is. For the > record, you did not attack a Moroccan seller. You politely told him not to > use your classification, which was probably a single person classification > with low total known weight. Anyone with common sense can see that this is > different from huge finds like hah346 and jikhara 001 and erg chech and > whatever else he complained about. I didn't read his whole message because I > have heard it all before. Collectors want to know they are getting these, and > not another meteorite. People are not using these names to be dishonest but > to accurately describe what they are selling. It would be doing the community > a disservice not to use these names. > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 9:04 AM humboldt bay jay via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > I appreciate the immense amount of time I anticipated you would spend on > > your reply. > > > > Thinking extensively about this, I wondered why you tried to shame me as a > > hypocrite, even when you have witness to me striving for best practices. > > Having autism I often struggle to understand people's intention. Many times > > I have gone wrong assuming the worst in people's actions. So one of my > > strategies is to try to think of the best possible intention that someone > > could have. I admit sometimes it is difficult with your approach (and > > attempt to shame me) but since your critique was not sound I came to reason > > that you saw an injustice that I perpetrated against Benzaki Mohamed and > > you felt the need to "punch the bully in his face". A fierce sense of > > justice that sometimes leads me to act foolish is also part of my condition > > so I was able to have sympathy with this realization. Now that you have > > responded I can more clearly see your intention. So here is my considered > > response. > > > > To the community: I am happy
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15
Hey Everybody, When you have a disagreement with somebody, did you ever consider resolving it PRIVATELY? Anne blackimpactika.comimpact...@aol.com On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 08:27:09 PM MDT, Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list wrote: I’m not getting in the middle of these discussions. I will simply make the following 3 statements + 1 opinion: - Here is Mohamed’s exact statement: “Hi all members liste , I have a nice carbonaceous Nwa 15758 CK6 paired ,if anyone interested please contacte me.” Notice that he used the word “paired” making no claim it was part of the TKW of NWA 15758. - This discussion about “pairing” has been going on for forever. The Global Meteorite Association has a policy to guide transparency: https://gmeta.org/standards/descriptive-terms/pair-pairings. Mohamed could have use better terminology to clarify the type of pairing, but I personally did not see his description as problematic and applauded his transparency. - On a related note, when a north African (or any seller) offers material for sale that is unclassified, there is NO issue with doing so. They are under no obligation to get material classified before trying to sell. As long as both parties are transparent, and they agree to the terms of the transaction, there is no injury to either party. My opinion is that our community is sufficiently large that we cannot know every seller, much less their intent. Most of us do repeat business with sellers we trust, but that in no way means that all other sellers have ill intent. Like anything transaction in life – caveat emptor. My regards to the community, Mendy From: Meteorite-list On Behalf Of Mark Lyon via Meteorite-list Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 9:50 PM To: humboldt bay jay Cc: Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 15 Jason Humboldt, You just have to learn to tune out Jason utas. He has been doing this for years. He isnt going to change. You should have seen some of the messages he sent me before i blocked him. The first time I met him he went in my display room in tucson and started complaining about me selling taza (nwa 859) because it was his dad's classification. Then he claimed he was just using it as an example because he thought he overheard me attacking dustin Dickens (a friend of mine) for pairing meteorites. More recently, he made damaging accusations about omolon specimens actually being brahin. Not caring how it affected a Russian group who had just spent months travelling and collecting the materials. He always thinks he is right, and he very seldom is. For the record, you did not attack a Moroccan seller. You politely told him not to use your classification, which was probably a single person classification with low total known weight. Anyone with common sense can see that this is different from huge finds like hah346 and jikhara 001 and erg chech and whatever else he complained about. I didn't read his whole message because I have heard it all before. Collectors want to know they are getting these, and not another meteorite. People are not using these names to be dishonest but to accurately describe what they are selling. It would be doing the community a disservice not to use these names. On Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 9:04 AM humboldt bay jay via Meteorite-list wrote: I appreciate the immense amount of time I anticipated you would spend on your reply. Thinking extensively about this, I wondered why you tried to shame me as a hypocrite, even when you have witness to me striving for best practices. Having autism I often struggle to understand people's intention. Many times I have gone wrong assuming the worst in people's actions. So one of my strategies is to try to think of the best possible intention that someone could have. I admit sometimes it is difficult with your approach (and attempt to shame me) but since your critique was not sound I came to reason that you saw an injustice that I perpetrated against Benzaki Mohamed and you felt the need to "punch the bully in his face". A fierce sense of justice that sometimes leads me to act foolish is also part of my condition so I was able to have sympathy with this realization. Now that you have responded I can more clearly see your intention. So here is my considered response. To the community: I am happy to assist with meteoritics in any way that I can. If you have material that you feel might be paired with mine I am happy to look at any information and give my honest response. It would be unethical and dirty feeling to do otherwise. I have not made it to where I am in life by acting in short term interests. Relationships are life long. To Benzaki Mohamed: I am sorry if I shamed you. I am often blunt and act quickly. Jason's best point is that I should have reached out to you in private first. If you send me
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Saturday, Mar 23 2024 Meteorite Picture of the Day: McLean Contributed by: Anne Black http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=03/23/2024 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
