Re: [meteorite-list] ‘Space junk’ crashes into Florida home from International Space Station, NASA says

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Will NASA pay for the damage to the guy's roof?

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 at 11:41, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list <
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> uh, watch that decimal point. Correction: how bout 1,763,680 Lbs.
>
> > On 04/16/2024 1:38 PM EDT John Lutzon via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > And, there is still 17 million Lbs. just waiting for a delivery address.
> Duck and cover!
> > JL
> >
> > > On 04/16/2024 1:20 PM EDT Ben Fisler via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > At least it wasn’t “the Rods of God….”
> > > Ben Fisler
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 16, 2024, at 8:36 AM, Michael Murray via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Long time referred to as “looming”, now we need signs out that say
> “delivery imminent”.
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Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON METEORITE THEFT

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As someone who lives in Tucson, I'll add that many Tucson storage units are
notoriously unsafe! I know of numerous thefts from storage units, and the
storage facility owners will not even necessarily inform you after your
unit has been burglarized.  Especially for foreign dealers who only visit
their storage units once a year during the show, and burglars can easily
find out that the unit is not visited the rest of the year, I recommend
doing whatever you can to find alternatives to a storage unit.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 at 12:10, drtanuki via Meteorite-list <
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> LIST,
>   Sidi Mohamed Ismaily has had a large quantity of meteorites stolen from
> his storage unit during/after TUCSON 2024.  The only details known to me
> are in attached image.
>   If anyone has information please send a private email.  Thank you.
> Best Always,
> Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>
> [image: Inline image]
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Re: [meteorite-list] Gobble, gobble

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Spanish turkeys say gluglú gluglú gluglú.

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 at 09:34, Matthias Bärmann via Meteorite-list <
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>
> In German, at least:
>
> habedi-habedi-habedi-habedi.
>
> Bit more nervous, hectic even.
>
>
> Am 23.11.2023 um 17:29 schrieb Michael Gilmer:
> > Sales of all gobbles are hereby suspended until further notice.
> >
> > ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/23/23, Matthias Bärmann via Meteorite-list
> >  wrote:
> >> Gobble? No turkey really says "gobble".
> >>
> >> Am 23.11.2023 um 16:47 schrieb John Lutzon via Meteorite-list:
> >>>To all who celebrate: Have a wonderful day with Family and
> Friends.
> >>> JL
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Re: [meteorite-list] Show me the Shock

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There could be pieces of iron from Earth's core floating around the solar
system, left over from the collision that created the Moon. Since we have
no direct chemical analyses of Earth core material, when an iron meteorite
falls, how would we know whether it was originally Earth material or not?

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 20:57, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list <
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> https://www.space.com/boomerang-meteorite-left-earth-and-returned
>
> A dark reddish-brown stone, picked up from the Sahara desert in Morocco a
> few years ago, appears to be an Earth rock that was flung into space where
> it stayed for thousands of years before returning home ? surprisingly
> intact.
>
> If scientists are right about this, the rock will officially be named the
> first meteorite to boomerang from Earth. [Not for certain!]
>
> The discovery team's work was *presented*
> (
> https://conf.goldschmidt.info/goldschmidt/2023/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/20218
> )
> last week at an international geochemistry conference and has not yet been
> published in a peer-reviewed journal.
>
> "I think there is no doubt that this is a meteorite," said Frank Brenker, a
> geologist at the Goethe University Frankfurt in Germany, who was not
> involved with the new study. "It is just a matter of debate if it is
> really
> from Earth."  [But, still could be the other way around.]
>
> Early diagnostic tests show the unusual stone features the same chemical
> composition as volcanic rocks on Earth. Interestingly, however, a few of
> its elements seem to have been altered into lighter forms of themselves.
> These lighter versions are known to occur only upon interacting with
> energetic *cosmic rays* ( https://www.space.com/32644-cosmic-rays.html )
> in space, which provided one of two key pieces of evidence
> declaring the rock's trip beyond Earth, geologists say.
>
> Other pending measurements include unambiguous data about how much shock
> from the original impact the stone absorbed. This unique signature can be
> detected
> in the permanently altered microstructures of the mineral crystals forming
> the rock.
> Estimating the meteorite's shock levels is "something that can be checked
> or done
> in one hour or so max, using naked eyes," Ferrière said, "thus, not costly
> and a
> very important observation in this case."
>
> ( https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/uh7CnCZNh4MNnFY78yR2ke.jpg )
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Re: [meteorite-list] Leonard David FYI: damage hand magnets used by amateurs do to meteorites

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Re the destruction of magnetic data in meteorites by hand magnets, I wonder
whether the thousands of professionally collected fresh Falls, and
professionally collected Antarctic Finds, aren't sufficient for all the
paleomagnetism research that will ever get done? At some point the
relatively small number of such researchers must get saturated with all the
diverse samples they have time to study.

And magnets are mainly used on older finds which, I imagine, must be less
relevant to planetary studies anyway, as they've been on Earth a long time,
exposed to the Earth's magnetic field, and the influence of nearby
lightning strikes, etc., hardly sources of reliable data anymore. So the
worries about this might just be a tempest in a teapot.

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 15:24, AL Mitterling via Meteorite-list <
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> Greetings,
>
> I have said for a long time that using magnets to test possible meteorites
> or use to show laymen that they attract a magnet isn't such a good idea as
> the magnetic field is wiped out.
>
> Scientific studies are and will be deterred. Information we might have
> gleaned on parent bodies will have to be determined by other means if at
> all possible.
>
> I think there are even webpages that suggest using a magnet to see if a
> possible sample is attracted and a form of identification.
>
> We need to change our methods.
>
> --AL Mitterling
> Mitterling Meteorites
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 1:44 PM Leonard David via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
>> Leonard David FYI:
>>
>> Testing the damage hand magnets used by amateurs do to meteorites
>>
>> https://phys.org/news/2023-04-magnets-amateurs-meteorites.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sending ship to asteroid worth 70, 000 times more than the global economy

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

This news report rather distorts the meaning of the word "worth". It's not
"worth" quadrillions of $$$. It's not "worth" anything at all, because the
costs of cutting it up and lowering it down through Earth's gravity well
(safely, without destroying all civilization) far exceeds the value of the
metal.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 at 08:43, Chris Peterson via Meteorite-list <
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> To be fair, we are sitting right now on a planet worth a lot more than
> that! And we don't have to go anywhere to investigate it.
>
> Resource quantity isn't really the problem. It's accessing those resources.
>
> Chris
>
> ***
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> https://www.cloudbait.com
>
> On 1/30/2023 2:16 PM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > Dear List,
> >Article in news, "NASA sending ship to asteroid worth 70,000 times
> more than the global economy".
> >
> >
> https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/nasa-set-spacex-launch-date-29085874
> >
> > Best Always,
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Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

Meteorite "Certificates of Authenticity" are mainly just a marketing tool
to appeal to the general public, as in many cases they are printed by the
seller, so they are no different from any other seller-issued "product
guarantee", and are in fact unnecessary because, in most countries,
commercial law obliges sellers to provide accurate labeling for their
merchandise. So an honest seller will compensate a buyer for any
identification mistakes with or without a "certificate", and a dishonest
seller's "certificates" were worthless to begin with.
So at least in my personal opinion what I need from the seller is a *label*,
the more detailed the better, and using words like "Certificate of
Authenticity" does not impress me at all nor add any extra value to a
specimen.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 at 09:24, Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

>
> Some sell meteorites with a CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY document,
> maybe I'm wrong, but a "CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY" document
> shouldn't be issued only by a specific body that is legally
> recognized? Such as GIA, IGI, HRD for diamonds? A simple WARRANTY
> DOCUMENT is no longer appropriate for meteorites?
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone have a meteorite with one of these inclusions?

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The article makes it sound as if the diamond landed in Dubai as a
meteorite. It didn't. If it is really a true carbonado, and not a hoax,
then it came from a diamond deposit in Africa or Brazil, and not from a
meteorite. There's a lot wrong with the way the popular press is depicting
this thing.

On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 at 17:22, Anne Black via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Carbonaros have also been found in Canyon Diablo.
> But only tiny ones.
>
> Anne Black
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> impact...@aol.com
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>
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> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone have a meteorite with one of these
> inclusions?
>
> https://my.xfinity.com/articles/news-science/20220119/ML--Emirates-Black-Diamond-9b86
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Re: [meteorite-list] David New

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David New retired, I heard, and his stock went to Tony Nikischer at
Excalibur Minerals - www.excaliburmineral.com - in Virginia.

Alfredo Petrov

On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 at 15:43, Gregory Shanos via Meteorite-list <
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> Dear Meteorite Enthusiasts.
>
> On Page four of the July issue of Meteorite Times The Allegan H5 meteorite
> was purchased from meteorite dealer David New.   I have not seen or heard
> from David New since the late 1990's.   Does anyone have any information
> regarding David New?
>
> Greg Shanos
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ownership of Space-X Debris Question

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

In maritime law, if a private (non-military) vessel was insured, then the
insurance company can claim any wreckage. I don't know whether any court
will extrapolate that to space wreckage.

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 11:57, Keith D Lemons via Meteorite-list <
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> MikeG raises a good question about ownership of the Space-X debris found
> on the farm.  As you all are familiar, the general rule is that the land
> owner owns a meteorite find thereupon per the Forest City Meteorite case
> (Iowa, 1890) and that government or government controlled entities such as
> NASA always retain ownership no matter where the debris lands.
>
> Barring any specific statute or regulation that I am unaware of, I would
> make an educated guess that if the Space-X mission was private, the
> landowner owns the fall; however, if the Space-X mission was performed or
> funded pursuant to a government contract, then the government retains
> ownership of the debris as the mission would be governmental, but executed
> by a contractor, i.e., Space-X.
>
> The government’s involvement, or lack thereof, in the mission would be the
> determining factor.
>
>  In practical terms, if the FBI shows up at your door,  I would hand it
> over under protest, but not resistance; if Elon Musk or his minions show
> up, the price of your piece just went way up.
>
> Before buying or selling a piece, it would behoove you to do some due
> diligence on determination of the mission and under whose funding or
> control it was carried out.
>
>  The fact (if that is the case) that neither the government nor Space-X
> descended upon the debris field to recover the pieces is immaterial if it
> happens to be a government mission - the government never loses its
> ownership in anything, its interests must be granted by conveyance,
> regulation (e.g., public land meteorite finds) or by operation of law (the
> last less common than confirming Venusian meteorites).
>
> Final thought, Mr. Musk is a cagey fellow and rarely misses a trick.  It
> is entirely possible he has wrangled the institution of some governmental
> regulation that grants Space-X permanent ownership & the right of
> possession of any and all materials, space ship or otherwise, that he
> launches towards the heavens.  (Probably would be found in Federal
> Register.)
>
>  Legal research is in order, which is much cheaper than defending a
> lawsuit or criminal charges later.
> And, yes, I know lawyers are killjoys.
>
> Keith Lemons
> J.D., 1978, Baylor [Sic’em, Bears!] University
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem and Mineral Show

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Lots of Moroccans already set up in Quartzsite. Obviously outdoor shows
have an advantage in these pandemic times.

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> Is there still going to be a show this year? Looks like Arizona is having
> a lot of cases of the virus. Curious who all plans to attend. Best!
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] More USA Lunar meteorite strewn fields, ... again

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"*Also, meteorites can be worth a lot of money, and you know, when there's
big money involved, you can count on lies and deception*."
...Ha, ha, ha. True words spoken by the seller himself.
Alfredo Petrov

On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 21:45, Anne Black via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Good grief
> I see a lot of quartz and some granite. Nothing that remotely resemble
> lunar meteorites.
> Did you try to explain that to him?
>
> Thanks for warning us.
>
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] More USA Lunar meteorite strewn fields, ... again
>
> Found this enterprising person selling river rocks at a good profit...
>
>
> https://www.etsy.com/ca/shop/NHLUNARMETEORITES?ref=simple-shop-header-name_id=756282243
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nannodiamond plant microfossils created by extraterrestrial impact (open access paper)

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

Thanks, Paul, for the link to the very interesting paper on diamond fossils.

I would however like to point out that the authors should not be inventing
new mineral-type names (ie. "...ite") for something that isn‘t a new
mineral; it‘s diamond afterall.

And if they are going to unilaterally propose new "mineral" names without
IMA approval, they should at least be consistent in how they spell it
(karite or karaite?) before they publish (although that might be an
editor‘s fault rather than the researcher‘s).

Cheers,
Alfredo Petrov

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 23:35, Paul via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Shumilova, T.G., Ulyashev, V.V., Kazakov, V.A., Isaenko, S.I.,
> Svetov,S.A., Chazhengina, S.Y., Kovalchuk, N.S., Karite –
> diamond fossil: a new type of natural diamond,Geoscience
> Frontiers,  https://doi.org/10.1016/j.gsf.2019.09.011.
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1674987119301768
>
> Off topic, counter septarian structure, a great pseudoartifact.
>
> We can't figger this one out By PRK, November 19, 2016
> in Fossil ID, Fossil Forum
>
> http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/70152-we-cant-figger-this-one-out-solved-counter-septarian-structures/
>
> Counter septarian structure, Doctor Mud, Posted November 26, 2016
> Page 4, Fossil Forum
>
> http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/70152-we-cant-figger-this-one-out-solved-counter-septarian-structures/=4=comments#comment
>
>
>
> http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/70152-we-cant-figger-this-one-out-solved-counter-septarian-structures/=4=comments#comment-737744
>
> Seilacher, A., 2001. Concretion morphologies reflecting
> diagenetic and epigenetic pathways. Sedimentary Geology,
> 143(1-2), pp.41-57.
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul H.
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

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Because everyone is busy in Tucson? (or Cuba)
 ;))

On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 09:00, Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list <
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> No picture was submitted for today.
>
> http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=02/03/2019
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite impact on moon during eclipse

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

Remember that from any given spot on Earth, we can see tens or hundreds of
meteors every night and, if we had no atmosphere, almost all of those would
impact and create a flash, instead of burning up in the atmosphere.
Assuming that the same number of loose stones per unit volume of space pass
by the Moon as the Earth, there should be several such flashes per night
visible on the dark side of the moon. It might be really interesting to
watch when a lunar eclipse happens to occur during one of the large meteor
showers.
Cheers,
Alfredo

On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 02:30, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Regarding Tracy's post--in a full Blood moon, an impact was observeable--
> Good call Tracy...which may not have been seen on a "brighter" moon.
>
> So, are there Any Moon observations that are being performed with different
> filters. I believe impacts are occuring more often than we (see) know. ??
>
> Does anyone have a guesstimate on the speed/size/origin/crater size
> of this particular impact?
>
> Nite, John
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "tracy latimer via Meteorite-list" <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:19 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite impact on moon during eclipse
>
>
> We watched the lunar eclipse Sunday night, although in mid-Pacific we were
> only able to see it from totality on. As the Moon
> started to reemerge from shadow, one of our friends said, "Does anyone
> else see that reddish light on the moon by the terminator?"
> Squinting, we just caught the end of a very brief flare. I was hoping and
> wondering if we had spotted an impact, and lo!
>
>
> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2191526-a-meteorite-hit-the-moon-during-yesterdays-total-lunar-eclipse/
> A meteorite hit the moon during yesterday’s total lunar eclipse
> Observers of yesterday’s lunar eclipse were blessed with the first known
> sighting of a meteorite impact during such an event. The
> so-called “super wolf blood moon” was eagerly watched by ...
> www.newscientist.com
>
> Another of our friends online caught the impact on video:
> "At 1:23:04 you can
> see an impact flash occur on the moon at about the 8
> o'clock position near the edge! This matches with a variety of other
> videos of the eclipse which caught the same event. " ~~
> Astromut
>
> I was very lucky!
>
> Best!
> Tracy Latimer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

Not my taste and I would never buy such a monstrosity, but let's keep in
mind that from the point of view of "destruction" of valuable scientific
material, this is really no big deal in this particular case. Gibeon is
abundant; no scientist needs a piece for study anymore. And if one objects
to this type of "destruction by artist", what about all the destruction by
micromounters, selling/collecting tiny fragments of meteorites broken down
until they have lost all paragenetic context? And some day, in the not too
distant future, material from known asteroids will be brought to Earth, and
all these miscellaneous bits that have dropped to Earth from unidentified
bodies will suddenly have a much lesser scientific value.
Cheers,
Alfredo

On 15 September 2018 at 05:45, Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> I saw this at the Tucson Gem show before it went to auction. click link
> below.
> https://news.artnet.com/market/meteorite-skull-carving-bonhams-360752
> Very impressive.
> Carl
> --
> Love & Life
>
>  michael kelly via Meteorite-list 
> wrote:
> >  Guess the real questionis where did the scrap go?  I can admire the
> craftsmanship.  And i am sure it presents a challenging medium to work.  I
> can also imagine 15 lbs of srap going into a rubbish bin :( probably more
> scrapped than i will ever be lucky enough to tuck into my collection.
> > On Thursday, September 13, 2018, 9:31:33 PM EDT, John Lutzon via
> Meteorite-list  wrote:
> >
> >  Maybe this 3rd post will get posted.?
> >
> > I really need Someone to explain to me why it is totally
> > acceptable for someone to cut/slice and/or bathe in acid every meteorite
> > they can get their hands on (some very rare) and then sell them
> > at a considerable profit and possibly make a living---but to shape it
> > into Any other shape is a shame. I hope I spelled Hypocrisy correctly.
> >
> > Hopefully this skull will wind up in a museum and be preserved for
> hundreds
> > if not thousands of years---long after the average collector's specimens
> > are long gone.
> >
> > Love ya Anne, John
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Re: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

Not specifically about meteorites, but rather a mineral collection that was
partially destroyed by fire, creating similar recovery problems, described
in Dr Steven Chamberlain's article in Rocks & Minerals, vol 83 (2008), #2
This has a lot of helpful information that would apply to meteorite
collections too.


On 5 September 2018 at 08:57, michael kelly via Meteorite-list <
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> This is very sad.
>
> It does bring up a question i have thought about and am interested in what
> the list members think/do for fire assurance.
>
>  Is there a way to store a collection that would help protect it from
> fire.  I am talking along the full spectrum of effects from a small room
> fire indirect heat. to a full structural fire.  I just recently started
> collecting and i am working on a type collection of micros so everything i
> own besides two fist size nwa unclassified is sitting in a plastic case,
> very meltable even at low heat exposure.  Its currently out for viewing so
> my estimate is i would have plastic indistinguishable blobs even from
> indirect heat.  And wouldnt be able to tell things apart once the case
> markings are lost.  Is there a better way to mark?
>
>   I already owned a safe, and have seen crusing meteorite articles that
> others store in safes, but was always interested in knowing if that was for
> security, to leverage some sealed enviornmental aspect (even the small ones
> come desicated) or for fire risk.  Or a combo of all.  I know fire ratings
> are a bit hokey on safes. And in fires if a safe is not on the foundation
> level its pretty much doomed.  And in most cases is apt to sit in hot
> rubble conditions longer than its rated for.  Or under water in a flooded
> rubble filled basement longer than it is flood rated for.
>
> I am guessing however in either of the latter scenarios if stored in non
> plastic inner containers they would be fine.
>
> Wondering what everones take is on fireproofing collections.  Is there a
> decent way to fireproof and still be displayable?  Are folks using safes
> thinking it will help in a fire?
>
> If exposed to a bad fire has there ever been an effort to reidentify and
> restore specimins?
>
> On Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 1:00:55 PM EDT, Jeff Kuyken via
> Meteorite-list  wrote:
>
>
> Truely a sad day for Brazil and all however the Bendego meteorite has at
> least survived:
>
> https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/00ec8479c0e3b749032f0c0cbde1ffc3
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff Kuyken
> Meteorites Australia
> www.meteorites.com.au
> IMCA #3085
> www.imca.cc
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:54 PM +1000, "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list"
>  wrote:
>
> Absolutely a tragedy for all humanity. Massive collections of historical 
> items.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
> > On Sep 3, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Paul via Meteorite-list  wrote:
> >
> > Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable'
> > damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner
> > and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018
> > https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html
> >
> > Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774
> >
> > Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084
> >
> > Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus
> > skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and
> > countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a
> > meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite.
> >
> > Luzia Woman
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman
> >
> > Bendegó Meteorite
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite
> > https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] SETI, The Silurian Hypothesis, and Defining the Anthropocene

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

There is an interesting modern model for this: We are all familiar with the
Inca civilization, thanks to its enormous stone ruins, but how many people
are familiar with the Inca's contemporaries in the Amazon jungle? The
Amazon culture was magnificently well organized, developed methods for
growing artificial hills to live on out of reach of the yearly floodwaters
in the surrounding swamps, connected these artificial hills with long
straight highways, likewise raised above the swampwaters, but they had no
access to stones or concrete, their organic structures rotted away, and
their existence wasn't even suspected until satellite imagery revealed
their highway network. Now we drill down into what used to be considered
natural hills in the Amazon basin and find ceramic all the way down. Other
than buried ceramic shards and the artificial changes to the landscape,
little evidence remains that here was a civilization that might have
rivalled the Incas in power. Archaeological studies are biased towards
civilizations with lots of stone and/or in arid areas; the rest get
neglected because there are fewer remains left to study. A hypothetical
technological civilization based on components made from organic materials
(or even non-precious metals) would leave nothing to study.

On 22 April 2018 at 23:53, Paul via Meteorite-list <
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> Was There a Civilization On Earth Before Humans?
> Adam Frank, The Atlantic, April 13, 2018
> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/are-we-
> earths-only-civilization/557180/
>
> Schmidt, G.A. and Frank, A., 2018. The Silurian
> hypothesis: would it be possible to detect an industrial
> civilization in the geological record? International
> Journal of Astrobiology, pp. 1-9.
> https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.03748
> https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-journa
> l-of-astrobiology/article/silurian-hypothesis-would-it-
> be-possible-to-detect-an-industrial-civilization-in-
> the-geological-record/77818514AA6907750B8F4339F7C70EC6
>
> There are two very good books that discuss
> what a technological civilization, ours, would
> behind in the archaeological – geological record.
>
> They are;
>
> Weisman, A., 2008. The world without us. Macmillan.
> 0312427905, 9780312427900
>
> and
>
> Zalasiewicz, J. and Freedman, K., 2009. The Earth
> after us: what legacy will humans leave in the rocks?.
> Oxford University Press. 0199214980, 9780199214983
>
> Dr. Zalasiewicz has written a papers about the
> Anthropocene and the signature and traces that
> would survive in the geologic record. Examples are:
>
> Zalasiewicz, J., Waters, C.N. and Williams, M., 2014.
> Human bioturbation, and the subterranean landscape
> of the Anthropocene. Anthropocene, 6, pp. 3-9.
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264241410_Human_bio
> turbation_and_the_subterranean_landscape_of_the_Anthropocene
>
> and
>
> Zalasiewicz, J., Williams, M., Waters, C.N., Barnosky,
> A.D. and Haff, P., 2014. The technofossil record of
> humans. The Anthropocene Review, 1(1), pp. 34-43.
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264461538_The_techn
> ofossil_record_of_humans
>
> Related papers can be found at:
>
> Jan Zalasiewicz, University of Leicester, Department of Geology,
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jan_Zalasiewicz
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul H.
>
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> William Faulkner, Act 1, Scene III, Requiem for a Nun (1951)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Why Extraterrestrial Life May Be More Unlikely Than Scientists Thought

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

Apart from possible paucity of phosphorus, there are several other reasons
why advanced life could be much rarer than previously thought. Currently
everyone is looking for planets in the "habitable zone" around stars, but
we don't know what % of planets within a habitable (ie. temperature
suitable for liquid water) zone could develop advanced life. So far we only
know of one such planet, our own. It is likely that plate tectonics is a
necessary condition, for nutrient recycling, climate control, etc. Earth
has it; Mars and Venus do not. How commonly do Earth-like planets develop
plate tectonics? We don't know.
A large moon will likely be a requirement for advanced life too, for
several geophysical reasons, and large moons seem to not be common with
Earth-like inner planets. Mars and Venus, again, don't have one. And so
on... Books have been written on this topic, years ago. I just finished one
that was written about 20 years ago, by Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee: "Rare
Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe"


On 9 April 2018 at 10:19, Paul via Meteorite-list <
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> Why Extraterrestrial Life May Be More Unlikely Than Scientists Thought
> https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-04/ras-pop040318.php
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/05/alien-life-may-
> unlikely-previously-thought-according-new-study/
> https://www.livescience.com/62248-extraterrestrial-life-phosphorus.html
>
> Phil Cigan
> https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/205852
> 1845_Phil_Cigan
>
> An unrelated article is:
>
> The Scientific Paper Is Obsolete. Here’s what’s next.
> James Somer, The Atlantic, April 5, 2018
> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/the-scie
> ntific-paper-is-obsolete/556676/
>
> Yours,
>
>
> Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] interstellar meteorite anyone?

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

Other possible Kuiper Belt or Oort Cloud objects:

Khatyrka meteorite - https://www.mindat.org/loc-2717.html - Has undergone
an enormous amount of study because of the presence of quasicrystals in it
(the first known from a natural source). All known fragments are in the
hands of researchers; none for sale, as far as I know. But f anyone wants
to fund a sluicing expedition to a remote Siberian creek, there's a good
chance of finding more ;))

Hypatia meteorite - https://www.mindat.org/loc-299029.html - recent find in
Egypt. Contains native aluminium and a crazy amount of diamond.

Cheers,
Alfredo Petrov

On 8 March 2018 at 05:22, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> There are none we know of.
>
> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/
> 2100887-canadian-meteorite-may-be-first-visitor-from-the-kuiper-belt/amp/
>
> That article speculates that Tagish Lake might have originated from the
> Kuiper Belt, but there is no way to confirm even that.
>
> Maybe someday Voyager will send us back a useful bit of data that somehow
> can connect a specimen to an interstellar source.  ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> John A. Shea, MD
> IMCA 3295
>
>
>
> Sent using the mail.com mail app
>
> On 3/7/18 at 1:45 PM, matija bericic via Meteorite-list wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Does any of you maybe have in possession interstellar meteorite?
> > Thanks,
> > Matija
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Re: [meteorite-list] First meteorite identified Japan in 15 years

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

One hundred years laying outdoors in that humid climate and it's still
"black and gleaming"? Wouldn't it have rusted?

On 1 March 2018 at 21:49, Tommy via Meteorite-list <
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> https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20180301_27/
>
> Regards!
>
> Tom
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[meteorite-list] worst misidentification ever

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

This has got to be the worst, and funniest, in a schadenfreude sort of way,
hoped-to-be-a-meteorite ever:
https://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/gurugram-residents-store-poop-falling-from-aircraft-in-fridge-thinking-that-it-s-a-rare-mineral-338089.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Minerals

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

Osbornite has however been reported from terrestrial mantle rock, so not
quite true to say that it's an exclusively "alien" mineral.

On 16 December 2017 at 20:30, Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Interesting stuff eh! StirlingMore detail here sent to me by Mike
> Simms who researched the Stac Fada impact site nearby...completely
> different ages though.
>
> https://gsw.silverchair-cdn.com/gsw/Content_public/Journal/
> geology/PAP/10.1130_G39452.1/1/g39452.pdf?Expires=151338342
> 6=ZyJk~P3iSeKUu3s-lawkGc9gaNoDu29j1OneAf1oNYsd0gWA
> ACyk~RqaY9G2mf7U0BOz0q9iP4uX7aCuwFN9F5D4SfzlfdxfAz2~QyIZSzi3
> AJlTY7hWi5KN6PU81dzRllNkRZFtXaNgYOti1sC~dIFVmvTjln9pvz0NaVeG
> wtLt~nJkruZAtqajYsJQPa7hE~Uk4eEKLCJPdO3vrhm2pQySIcoJdxwi4I1r
> JtnH8gxvMssyVKMg7GLunpxu2vND5n3qOvQF3Sd8lktQuN5Sy1kwd0dSaHbU
> -gfhsIUthlftQTYK7l7DVcglT80JZgarGAkf9nHWMt6CLtQgM-6hcw__=
> APKAIUCZBIA4LVPAVW3Q
>
> Graham
>
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 1:44 AM, Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
>> *Listees,*
>>
>> *"Alien Minerals Discovered *
>> *at Ancient Meteorite Strike *
>> *Site in Scotland**:"*
>> *http://www.newsweek.com/skye-meteorites-alien-mineral-749103
>> *
>>
>> *"Geologists have uncovered *
>> *mineral forms never before *
>> *seen on Earth at the site of *
>> *a sixty million-year-old *
>> *meteorite strike on the Isle *
>> *of Skye in Scotland..."*
>>
>> *Sterling Webb*
>>
>>
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[meteorite-list] Suevite, today on the BBC

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20171121-the-german-town-encrusted-with-diamonds
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Re: [meteorite-list] What Happens If China Makes First Contact?

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

Let's hope that no one ever makes contact, because it would be a disaster
for one of the parties, us or them. In first contacts between cultures, the
less developed one is usually destroyed, if not by violence then by
inferiority complexes, addictions and other mental issues. Making contact
with an alien culture that is just coincidentally at the same technological
level as us would be so improbable as to be in the realm of religious hope
rather than reality.

On 19 November 2017 at 02:02, Roman Jirasek via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> As America has turned away from searching for
> extraterrestrial intelligence . . .
>
> Maybe because they already found it years ago!?
>
> Roman
>
>
> From: Paul via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 10:11 PM
> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] What Happens If China Makes First Contact?
>
>
> What Happens If China Makes First Contact?
> As America has turned away from searching for
> extraterrestrial intelligence, China has built the
> world’s largest radio dish for precisely that purpose.
> The Atlantic, Ross Andersen, December 2017
> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/12/what-ha
> ppens-if-china-makes-first-contact/544131/
> https://soundcloud.com/user-154380542/what-happens-if-china-
> makes-first-contact-the-atlantic-ross-andersen
>
> With Massive Radio Telescope, China Takes World's Lead
> In Search For Alien Life, here and Now, November 16, 2017
> http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/11/16/china-radio-telescope
>
> The Alien Observatory --China's Preeminent Philosopher of
> 'First Contact' Visits New FAST Radio Telescope: "Warns of
> Extinction By a Hidden Hunter" The Daily Galaxy,
> November 08, 2017
> http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2017/11/the-alien-obser
> vatory-chinas-preeminent-philosopher-of-first-contact-visits
> -new-fast-radio-telsecope-warns-of-human-1.html
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul H.
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] help me in understand analysis

[Alfredo Petrov via Meteorite-list]

Well, we would have all died of starvation long ago if terrestrial rocks
didn't contain K and P.
 ;))

On 6 October 2017 at 20:30, Francesco Moser via Meteorite-list <
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> Hello!
> a man have send me some pictures of a dozen stones and asked me wich types
> of meteorites could be.
> I answered that for me those materials are terrestrial.
> But he tell me that for sure the stones are lunar meteorites :)
> He has send me this analysis for proving the lunar origin of the stones.
> I'm not able to understand this data, please someone could take a look and
> tell me if this material could be terrestrial or extra-terrestrial.
> No other analysis was done on the stones. I guess that without an oxigen
> isotopes abundance ratio is impossible to identify a lunar rock, isn't?
>
> Method LF200
>
> SiO247.45%
> Al2O3   19.42%
> Fe2O3   9.73%
> MgO 10.16%
> CaO 8.95%
> Na2O1.75%
> K2O 0.79%
> TiO20.29%
> P2O50.08%
> Cr2O3   0.01%
> Ba  110ppm
> Ni  121ppm
> Sc  7ppm
>
> I Have also a detailed list of trace elements.
>
> This man tell me that the presence of K2O and P2O5 confirm the
> extra-terrestrial origin of the rocks.
>
> Thanks a lot in advance!
>
> xx
> Francesco
>
>
>
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