AW: [meteorite-list] doubtful material related to Berlin fireball
Just had a phonecall with Dr. Oberst from the DLR (where the seller claims they analyzed his meteorite). They have never analyzed the meteorite, this is a lie. They are pretty sure it burned up in the sky. Just to let you know. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dieter Heinlein Gesendet: Montag, 21. März 2005 13:33 An: Meteorite List; Dr. Svend Buhl Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] doubtful material related to Berlin fireball Hello Svend, thank you for pointing our attention onto this ebay auction. Here are some facts. On February 1, 2005 a bright fireball has been recorded by two cameras of the European Fireball Network (one near Berlin and one in the Czech Republic). The bolide looked quite promising. So we measured and calculated the event with high priority. We have the full reduction of the fireball - and we are pretty sure that NO fragments have reached the ground, although the initial mass was 200 kg. The material was rather fragile (most probably a carbo- naceous chondrite) and didn't survive it's 90 km fiery passage thru the Earth's atmosphere. I have written a detailed, four page, report about this fireball, but so far it's available in German only. It is quite obvious that the following auction http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=44608item=6164417570; rd=1 is a classical ebay fraud. The seller started his ebay carreer yesterday!, and he tells pure nonsense: I'm absolutely sure, that there he has NO scientific analysis of his material. Furthermore there were NO publications that 10 kg of material in 100 gram sized fragments may have reached the ground! It seems to me that the seller just tries to make a fortune with junk. He also claims, that he recently has found 34 fragment of 7 different meteorites here in Germany. So we are anxious what he is going to offer us next. Kind regards from Germany Dieter Heinlein DLR Fireball Network - Original Message - From: Dr. Svend Buhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] doubtful material related to Berlin fireball Hi list, some of the German members of this list might have noticed there has been a fireball sighting in the Berlin area in February. The event lasted for about five seconds and has also been recorded by a camera of the European Fireball Network. There have been a couple of newspaper and TV-reports since then featuring scientists claiming that the entire 200 kg mass has vaporized during descent according to their calculations. Other reports showed various self declared meteorite hunters combing the terrain for cosmic booty, one of them equipped with a rather professional magnetometer, but none of them has claimed any finds in public yet. Anyhow, since there has been no official confirmation regarding recovered material of this fall I wonder about the nature of this material: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=44608item=6164417570; rd=1 The seller claims to offer material of the - recent year 2005 Berlin fal l- which - has been tested by scientific institutions - as he states in his description. This is only one of several doubtful meteorite offers currently online in German ebay. Another seller offers a large piece of a meteorite from Rissani which is obviously not a meteorite, but rather a piece of magnetite-rich basalt. This auction has already found a bidder. I know that none of the reputable German sellers known to this list are involved in the cases mentioned above. But since I neglected German ebay for a couple of months, I wonder if I just stepped on single exceptions or if I missed a general trend. I f so, I might consider to invest in a sophisticated meteorwrong collection ... cheers Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Mit WEB.DE FreePhone mit hoechster Qualitaet ab 0 Ct./Min. weltweit telefonieren! http://freephone.web.de/?mc=021201 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: Appologies ... [meteorite-list] Oriented?
Why the heck don't you use http://www.meteoritegallery.com? I am paying 99 bucks a month to keep this service alive for the community, and while I don't expect a Thank You, I can't understand why people ignore this free place to show off their meteorites. Even the free and unlimited space for the Meteorite Picture of the Day isn't used anymore, without telling me why. I could as well shut down the server for this. :-( Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tett Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 5:01 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Appologies ... [meteorite-list] Oriented? List, I must apologise. Apparently my yahoo/geocities account has an hourly transfer limit so if too many people -look at my site it shuts down for a time. I am talking with my provider, Rogers, in Canada and they can't tell me what the allowable transfer rate is. Please try again later if you are interested. : [meteorite-list] Oriented? List, I have a nice little meteorite (~150gms) that I want to get opinions on. Want to know if this is oriented. Anyone willing to help please see the pictures at: http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Oriented/Orientedmeteorite.html and let me know. Thanks, tett Owen Sound, Ontario __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] A few exaggerated
Matteo and the rest of the world, I think that something else has happened, which has nothing to do with cowardy. I mailed this person and asked him if he really wanted to sell something for 20 times the price he has bought it for. I asked him politely and suggested that an error might have occurred whilst currency conversion. I did so at about the same time Lars wrote to him. He replied shortly after that and said that indeed he made a mistake during entering the price in AU$. He thanked me for pointing out the error. So, maybe, next time think twice before you crucify someone. Or think a third time why believing that someone is just trying to betray someone is the first thing that crosses your mind. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:29 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A few exaggerated The coward closed the auction in anticipation http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6159911470ssPageNam e=STRK:MEWA:IT I have inform ebay of this why I have received a nice email from this idiot with write: Fu°°° you Matteo --- Lars Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wo I just got a nice reply :-) -- snip--- You asked: Hi You have agreat sence of humor :-) 10 gram NWA869 is about $2.5... anywhere else best of luck :-) Lars i shall report all your questions to ebay and make an official complaint.we told you and asked you nicely to leave us alone ,but you continued to barrad this site with what ever you call it .we are selling this item on behalf of family of the owner ,so we dont need to be hassled by you if it dont sell it dont sell no skin of our hide .lars ---snip- --- - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] A few exaggerated Take a look this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=415item=6159911470r d=1 $187 for a 9.4 gr. of NWA 869a bit exaggerated... Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica. Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A meteorite within a meteorite
Hi, just wanted to point you to a picture of one of my latest aquisitions: http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/viennametcoll/sau068?full=1 This is SaU 068, a H5 with a TKW 0f 1.165g in one mass. I recently purchased a full slice of 61g from Sergej from ebay, and I thought it was astonishing that noone else seemed interested in this particular slice. If you look at the picture, you see a pretty obvious inclusion of a second meteorite in SaU 068, which has a different appearance that the rather blackish main part. What isn't visibile in the picture is the difference in visible metal: the larger, blacker exterior has little to no visible metal, while the brownish inclusion has more than a lot. The slice is polished on both sides, but by touching the piece with your fingers you can feel the difference in structure and much more so the border between the two kinds of meteoritic material. The inclusion is much smaller on the other side of the the slice. I know, it's still an H5, but I think it's an interesting piece - thus I wanted to share it with you. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo - who has...
... an oriented specimen? I have never seen one nor heard of one. I wonder if one exists and if not, why. Bernhard PS: I can't even remember seeing a thumbprinted one... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
I have bought more than two dozen things from Michael over the past 18 months. Every single shipments of him has reached me, although it sometimes took much longer than other shipments I bought at the same time. Michael, to my best knowledge, is a honest person. Sometimes he seems to be unorganized or lazy - but hey, that's only human and I can live with that. Just my 2c Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:58 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham I bought two meteorites on Ebay from Michael Cottingham on January 28th during his 40% off sale he advertized on the list. They haven't arrived yet. I feel that more than two weeks after I paid via Paypal either they have been lost in the mail or he hasn't sent them. It could be a shipping problem (somewhat like the other thread going on here) but he has not replied to e-mail inquiries sent on January 8th and January 10th asking if he has mailed them yet. I think I have given him both enough time to ship the items and enough time to at least give me a sent them or haven't sent them reply to my e-mails, so I'm bringing this here. here are the two auctions: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6502377395 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6502361654 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Ad- best deal on CV7 meteorite in the galaxy!
Just to get my records straight: NWA 1839 (which I am lucky enough to own a 1.5g very thin slice) was first thought to be a L7, then an AURE - and now is officially listed as CV7? Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: AW: [meteorite-list] Ad- best deal on CV7 meteorite in the galaxy!
But nowhere does it state that it is a CV7? Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: stan . [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Januar 2005 13:29 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: AW: [meteorite-list] Ad- best deal on CV7 meteorite in the galaxy! I didnt know it was ever considered an aure - but YES it was orignially classified as an L7, then NAU went back and reclassified it as a primitive achonderite and consider it to be paired with nwa 3133 you can go to: http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/index.html for NAU's systematic description of emteorites, then click on 'primitive achonderites at the bottom of the page' the nwa 3133/1839 description is halfway down the page From: Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'stan .' [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Ad- best deal on CV7 meteorite in the galaxy! Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:54:42 +0100 Just to get my records straight: NWA 1839 (which I am lucky enough to own a 1.5g very thin slice) was first thought to be a L7, then an AURE - and now is officially listed as CV7? Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteowrongs
Could someone point me to a good webpage with meteowrongs? Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: Surface picture from Titan
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/cassini_huygens/huygens_land/landing_01_ H.jpg Very interresting (and unexpected) Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Recent trip to Morocco
Now - where is it, or where is it not? Share your insight, please. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2005 14:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Recent trip to Morocco Dear list members, I have just returned from a successful, but very trying trip to Morocco where I had several problems that almost wiped out the whole expedition before it even started. While in Morocco, several of the Moroccan dealers, including Aziz Habibi, along with myself got together over a nice meal provided by Habibi at his hotel and discussed many of the recent (and long term) problems, especially the recent postings from an embarrassed and apologetic Habibi. We managed to agree on and settle a few issues and see just where the Moroccan market is, or not as it is looking. Things are definitely at a low from just a year ago. I guess you could call our gathering a mini Moroccan Meteorite Summit. It was a lot of fun and we were happy to discuss things in a civil manner amongst old friends. I will post a picture in the next couple days after I get the film developed. Best regards, Greg Hupe __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea!
Are you kidding? You are jumping at this person for selling a campo for $5/g and accusing her to manipulate her auction? Boy oh boy. Are you bored? Or is it just that the REAL manipulative things happening with meteorites can't be talked about, because one doesn't want to mess with the big ones? Bah. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: new ebay fees
Have you received them, too? They are nuts. 8% final value fee in stores. 35c for gallery on listings. Mad mad mad. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Chondrule Festival
Talking about chondrules: have you seen NWA 844? Just beautiful :-) http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/NWA/760_nwa_0844?full=1 Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Marmet Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:22 PM To: list Subject: [meteorite-list] Chondrule Festival Hi Steven and list, if you are interested in chondrules - who is not;-)! - please have a look at my new PMMC page called: Chondrule Festival: http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id12.html Comments and corrections welcome! Thanks! Peter Marmet Steven Drummond wrote: ...I tried to continue the Best Chondrules thread yesterday with an awesom picture , hoping somebody would follow and show some more outstanding meteorites with chondrtules , NOT . I got 3 replies to my post and not even 1 guess as to what NWA it was . While someones post on Gmail accounts receives much more attention than a beautiful slice of type 3 material . Well here is the proof this list would rather talk about a lousy Gmail account that keep the Best Chondrules Thread alive. It's sad very sad indeed. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Tucson auction absentee bids
Same here. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tracy latimer Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson auction absentee bids For the benefit of those of us who can't attend in person this year, would someone mind reviewing the guidelines for submitting absentee bids for any of the various Tucson auctions? I've already noted 2 or 3 attractive specimens I'd like a piece of the action on (crappy grammar, but you get the idea.) Thanks for your kokua, Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] A Call For A New Meteorite List
I volunteer to run and host forums for that. If the community decides which different forums are needed, I can easily set them up, even closed forums for certain groups (IMCA) only. The software is up and running at http://www.worldofmeteorites.com. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pelé Pierre-Marie Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:16 PM To: MeteoriteList Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] A Call For A New Meteorite List Hello Al and List, I'm ok for a new meteorite list without personal attacks which are, in my opinion, bad for the meteorite community images. Personal attacks as its name says should stay in private. We need a forum with various topics : - ADvertisement - Finds / falls - Classification question - Astronomy - Books and publications - Other topics etc... (that's just examples...) but, to prevent out of topics articles, insults, personal attacks, a human moderator is needed in each topic. That's the hard part of the work : find someone for each topic who will read each message and submit it to the forum?. And we also need a webserver which works the forum. And a daily abstract of the new messages could be cool ! Pierre-Marie Pele www.meteor-center.com Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] A Call For A New Meteorite List
My experience with the *real* big ones in whatever (acting, creativity, music) due to my RL job is that their fights and flaming occur just on a higher level, not visible for the public. All in all, they are the same bitching egos like evrybody else :-) Just my 2c and nothing to be taken personal by anybody, please. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Seidel Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:04 PM To: Jim Strope Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Call For A New Meteorite List By the way: have you frequent OT-posters and fighters and moralizers and and and... ever thought about why the *real* big ones of the meteorite scene never ever raised their voice here? Bob Haag e.g. - you may ask him about this list, and he will give you his reply to your question! A good bunch of the high roller private collectors that I know are definitely *not* interested in either actively or passively following this list. Have you ever asked yourselves *why this is so*..?? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] RE:NWA 2394, only an L4 chondrite?
Same here. VERY interesting material. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Anger Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RE:NWA 2394, only an L4 chondrite? I agree 100 % to Bernd. I got my slice last week and it is excellent. Cheers, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:15 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 2394, only an L4 chondrite? Hello All, Today I got my 10.5-gram slice of the NWA 2394 L4 chondrite from Greg. Thank you once again, Greg. It is an L4, yes, but what an L4 !!! The shock-darkened silicates are chockful with chondrules and chondrule clasts. There are numerous shock vein- lets meandering through the large, lighter-colored subangular clasts but, of course, also through the shock-darkened areas. Metal is abundant both as puddles and finely dispersed through- out the busy matrix of this exotic beauty. The chondrules in the shock-darkened areas are relatively small but well-defined, whereas the ones in the lighter-colored areas / clasts easily reach 4 to 5 mm but are considerably less sharply delineated. What a meteorite !!! Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] More NEW Chinese Pallasites! - TKW????
BTW, what's the TKW of this Pallasite? You don't mention it on ebay... Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Birdsell Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:13 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] More NEW Chinese Pallasites! -Ad Hello everyone and Happy New Year! All but one of our new Chinese Pallasite specimens that we listed on ebay have sold. For those of you that missed the opportunity to add one of these lovely new pallasites to your collection, we have listed several more specimen on ebay. We are also taking requests if there is a particular size, shape or cut that you're looking for just let us know and do our best to provide if for you. Even if you're not currently in the market for a new pallasite, take a look. http://search.ebay.com/china-pallasite_W0QQfromZR40QQsojsZ1 Cheers -John Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] OT; What next!
Congratulation! If this would happen to me, it would save me a lot of money that I could spend on meteorites :-) Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom AKA James Knudson Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:06 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT; What next! As most of you know, my life sucks right now. I drive a 1980 ford van that has seen better days. After the divorce, my first wife's dad gave my second soon to be ex wife a 1998 or so Astro van because she needed a car too. Yes my first wife's wife's dad, not her dad. My oldest daughters grandfather. go figure. Today my ex called me, (we are still friends) and told me she is getting re-married. I am happy for her, but it kind of rubs it in my face, my life is going down hill and hers just keeps getting better. Just not a good time to hear something like that. (We have been divorced for about a year now.) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Help with Meteorite Identification
Bob, I am not an expert in cutting meteorites. In fact, I have never cut one. So my uneducated guess is nothing more than that: Your meteorite reminds me of NWA 065, and even more of NWA 241. These meteorites are porous, have larger greyish chondrules and display quite some metal. NWA 924 is another one that is rather porous. But there will be others with more educated guesses, I think :-) Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Evans Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:25 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Help with Meteorite Identification Hello list, Im just starting to get my feet wet with cutting meteorites, and I would like a little input with a meteorite that I cut. I had this piece for quite a while and now that I have a saw I decided I should cut it open and have a look. The piece cut like butter, very course and brittle. When I cleaned it off with water the specimen soaked up the water like a sponge, very porous with chondrules and considerable metal present. I couldn't polish it either. Here's a picture of it : http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spacerox2001/detail?.dir=3d64.dnm=b977.jpg.s rc=ph Its very frustrating to be unable to determine meteorite types. I cut open every unclassified stone that I have. Most are obviously chondrites but this one seemed considerably different. Id appreciate some opinions. Thanks Bob Evans __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Troilite inclusions
What I have found so far: A non-magnetic form of iron sulfide (FeS) found in a variety of meteorites. Some troilite is thought to have formed at a 988oC eutectic point in Fe/S melts, where native Fe and troilite form simultaneously. Some troilite is devoid of native Fe, so this must have formed directly from a sulphur-rich silica melt. As well as late-stage crystallization, troilite may occur in solid rocks, where the partial pressure of sulphur increases rapidly. Some Apollo 16 rocks appear to show this, where native Fe has been sulphurized during shock metamorphism from meteoroid impacts. Primary troilite usually has less Ni and P, and more Co than that of troilite of meteoritic origin. The mineral troilite is actually stoichiometric pyrrhotite. Pyrrhotite ranges in composition from Fe7S8 through to FeS. Most terrestrial pyrrhotite lack some iron. The troilite end-member (FeS) occurs mainly in meteorites and lunar samples. Fe7S8 is monoclinic (pseudohexagonal), whilst Troilite (FeS) is hexagonal. Non-stoichiometric compositions are due to missing iron atoms, and not the replacement of iron atoms with sulphur. Ni, Co, Mn, and Cu can substitute for Fe. Such impurities have never been found above 1wt%, in lunar samples. Many specimens of pyrrhotite are ferromagnetic (i.e., capable of acting as a magnet). This effect decreases as the ideal composition of FeS is reached. Troilite is ideally antiferromagnetic. Pyrrhotite is decomposed by HCl (releasing H2S) whereas pyrite is not. Troilite is attacked more readily by dilute nitric acid than pyrrhotite. Both are opaque in thin section. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:43 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Troilite inclusions Norm wrote: Norton doesn't answer the Troilite question anywhere that I can see. He simply provides descriptive comments. Hello Norm, John, Steve, and List, Unfortunately O.R. Norton is not the only one. Even the famous Vagn Buchwald only comes up with a descriptive comment: Troilite usually occurs as shapeless nodules, bars and dumbbells. The smaller ones may be bar-, diamond-, or plate-shaped. And: At austentitic temperatures troilite, chromite and taenite were the only phases present in many iron meteorites. Therefore, when the taenite cooled and started to decompose, the first kamacite and schreibersite to precipitate formed heterogeneously upon the available troilite and chromite * n u c l e i *. That is why so many troilite and chromite inclusions are wrapped in successive sheets of various minerals. Beautiful examples are to be found in, e.g., Canyon Diablo, Coahuila, Sikhote-Alin, Cape York, Chupaderos and Wiley. BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 1, p. 107. I also tried to find something in Cohen's trilogy. Same result: descriptive comments - on page 192, vol.1, you can read in 19th century German (!): Schwefeleisen tritt vorherrschend in knollenförmigen Massen von sehr wechselnder Größe auf; besonders charakteristisch sind rundliche bis eiförmige, auch wohl linsenförmige Partien. Sie erreichen nicht gerade selten Wallnussgrösse und sind aus Seeläsgen bis zu 9 cm, aus Magura sogar bis zu 13 cm gross beschrieben worden; aus Cosby's Creek isolirte Smith ein 200 g schweres Stück. In manchen Meteoreisen trifft man sie ziemlich häufig von fast idealer Kugelform. Sulfurous iron is mainly found as globular lumps differing considerably in size with roundish or egg-shaped but also lenticular parts being especially prominent. Sometimes they even reach walnut-size and have been described in Seeläsgen (diameter up to 9 cm), in Magura (even up to 13 cm); Smith separated/isolated a piece weighing 200 grams from Cosby's Creek. In some meteoric irons you even find them quite frequently displaying an almost ideal/perfect globular shape. COHEN E. (1894) Meteoritenkunde, Heft 1: Untersuchungsmethoden und Charakteristik der Gemengtheile (Schweizerbart'sche Verlagshandlung, Stuttgart). Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] OT: A gift for the new year
Very interesting. Her drawings show a lot of technique, and I would say that this is really A LOT for her age. Although, I certainly don't like what she paints - it's the common kitsch you can buy at poster shops. Yuk. It could well be, after she has lost the naivety of childhood and experienced the complexity of the world, some artistic skills beyond technique will develop in her - and THEN she will become an interesting artist, IMHO. Thanks for sharing that link with us. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Devine Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 7:26 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: A gift for the new year A friend sent me this page this morning. I accepted it as a gift for the new year, the story of a child so inspiring that I feel moved to share it with as many people as possible. Take the time to view the art and poetry and you may wonder, as I do, from whence such genius derives. Her name is Akiane and she is a gift to the world. http://www.artakiane.com Happy New Year, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] ** Call to the Meteorite Community for helpingAsia **
Does paypal stay away from collecting fees fort he donations? Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pelé Pierre-Marie Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 8:33 PM To: MeteoriteList Subject: [meteorite-list] ** Call to the Meteorite Community for helpingAsia ** Hello to the List. New Year is ordinary a time of enjoyment but this year was an awful tsunami in Asia. Because I think we can get much money from the Meteorite Community, I'm opening a financial support on my Paypal account. You can send money on my Paypal account ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in euros or dollars and in 15 days I'll give this money to the french association Medecins sans frontiere (a big independant medical aid agency) for helping asian countries. I ask you to write in Paypal HELP FOR ASIA as statement. Regularly, I'll tell you total amount collected on this account. DATE LIMIT : 15 JANUARY 2005 PAYPAL ACCOUNT : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thank you in advance for your help. That's the way I've found for collecting a large amount of money because together we can make surely more that individually. Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] This is for folks in germany and austria only
Hi, excuse me for sending a message in german language here, but this is only of interest to those from countries where german is spoken (I am giving away a free database of meteorites in Access - an english version will be put up later this week) Hallo, unter http://www.viennamet.com kann man sich als eingetragener User eine MS Access Datenbank (Version 2003 und später) über die 650 am häufigsten auf ebay gehandelten Meteorite gratis downloaden. Nichts spektakuläres, aber ganz nützlich (und vor allem erweiterbar). Zum Ausführen braucht man Access 2003 oder später. Kleines verspätetes Weihnachtsgeschenk ;-) Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] 2004 MN4 updated odds
Anybody ever calculated what happens if this asteroid hits land/sea? Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Matson, Robert Gesendet: Montag, 27. Dezember 2004 09:33 An: 'stan . '; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '; 'Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ' Betreff: [meteorite-list] 2004 MN4 updated odds Hi Stan and List, Latest updated odds of impact for the 4/13/2029 encounter are about 1 in 37 at JPL's site. (Odds haven't been updated at NEODyS yet -- still 1 in 45 there). Mind you, these aren't the true odds of impact, but rather a measure of our current uncertainty in the orbit. With each passing day, the orbital arc is extended by about 1/2 of one percent, so the cloud of possible solutions 24.3 years from now is slowly shrinking. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] a meteorit of SIKHOTE- ALYN (Siberia) for sale
Chris, I doubt that you will find someone buying Sikhote Alin for 52.81 dollars a gram - it usually sells at 40 cents for individuals, 25 cents for shrapnels, and prices are lower the larger the meteorite gets. Sorry I have no better news. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Weidenhaupt Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 8:46 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] a meteorit of SIKHOTE- ALYN (Siberia) for sale Dear all, Is there someone among you or do you know who could be interested in buying the following meteorite: It's a meteorite of 28.4 kg. It's composed mainly of KAMASIT (iron, nickel alloy), with some inclusions of Tenit, Sulfude and Fostid of Iron. Chemical and mineral composition, the character of the surface (the presence of typical REGMAJLIPT) allow to conclude that this sample represents a fragment of the well known meteoritic rain of SIKHOTE- ALYN (Siberia). Price: 1 gramme=52.81 USD the entire meteorite= 1.500.000 USD On request a picture of the meteorite, the certificate of authenticity in Russian with its english translation. Thanks for your time and many thanks for your reply. Chris -- +++ Sparen Sie mit GMX DSL +++ http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl AKTION für Wechsler: DSL-Tarife ab 3,99 EUR/Monat + Startguthaben __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bjurböle micro
My Bjurböle micro at http://www.metsale.com is ending in 21 hours, still at $1.99. If you want a sample of Bjurböle cheap, this is your chance. BTW - look at the other items currently in auction there - bid and place your meteorites for auction as well. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Burglary
Hi, Just wanted to tell you that my flat has been robbed and devastated today. The thieves stole all my smaller electronical equipment, a collection of roman coins, a collection of golden coins from the Austrian Hungarian empire and other things of value. They completely ignored my meteorite collection with over 600 items, except for a small portion of meteorites that were laying on my table with the PDA and the iPod. These meteorites were those I purchased from Stefan Ralew a few days ago, and the nice Chiang Khan I got from Martin Altmann. I have no idea why they took these and nothing else. Bernhard PS: No insurance. Me idiot. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Metsale Auctions
Hi, just wanted to inform you that at the time I am writing this, five interesting auctions are running at http://www.metsale.com. Have a look, bid, and auction your meteorites yourself as well. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 2504 - a beauty
Hi, maybe you remember that Stefan Ralew from Berlin offered a couple of unusual chondrites from Northwest Africa here lately. I purchased some of the slices, and I received them today. I want to point you to a picture of NWA 2504, a partially impact melted H/L3-4: http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/viennametcoll/nwa25041540 No further comments from my side, just enjoy this beauty. The picture wasn't enhanced other than adjusted in brightness a little. No sharpening, no contrast enhancement - that's just the way it looks. Bernhard PS: Every other piece I have received from Stefan is just beautiful as well... __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Metsale - new look and new features
Hi, I've updated the auction site (http://www.metsale.com) to a new version and a new look. Some things are now easier to use. Please have a look, go there, register, sell and bid. This site depends on YOU. Don't be shy - it's beneficial to sellers and buyers alike, and it would be a shame if you don't grab this opportunity. Even if you think that auctioning is too risky, you can put up items there for a fixed price at no cost, and even when you sell something there, it is FREE (no end of auction fees like on ebay). Did I mention that this site only makes sense if you use it? :-) Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] dhofar 025 lunar
I revised my opinion on closer inspection. Probably fake, but I doubt bad intention on her side. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 5:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] dhofar 025 lunar Hi again list.I noticed the other day, on ebay, that FLORIDACOASTER.ebay name, is selling dhofar 025 lunar for real, real cheap.I took a chance and bought and bid on 5 pieces.$55 for all 5 auctions.I looked at feedback from several prominent list members, and all said, REAL DEAL,THE REAL THING,GREAT METEORITE FOR CHEAP, ETC.So I am believing it is the real deal.I guess the question is,Does she know the real value?Or did not her deceased husband tell her the real worth?Or she just wants to clear it out and be done with it?Possible answers to these quetions will be nice to see.Please help me out.It wouldn't be the first time I have been taken by someone.But I really do trust my fellow list members. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Purchase - who?
I recently bought something from someone here - and after I had a mailbase crash, I simplay can't remember who sold me what :-) Can you pleas contact me privately so I can fulfil this deal? Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dhofar 851
Hi, I recently purchased Dhofar 851 from Steve in an ebay auction. Anyone got data on this meteorite - Steve doesn't seem to have more than the TKW :-), at least he isn't disclosing more in his auction. Help would be appreciated. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] shock?
No, but I certainly do *g* -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tom AKA James Knudson Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Dezember 2004 22:12 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] shock? Hi List, does this inclusion look shocked? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN0255.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Moroccan fall
That's about $4, the same as they offered to Mike and Greg. I would be cautious and wait. -- Liebe Grüße/best regards Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:41:42 +0100, schrieb McomeMeteorite Meteorite: I have received a offer for 2.2 kg. of the new fall for 3 Euro/gr. its a good price? Strangly now the moroccan people paired this new fall many similar to Bensour, i hope only this is not a fake fall where the moroccan people have put some pieces of Bensour in a crater and pass this for a new fall. Matteo _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] How to contact IMCA
My mail address has changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does someone know how I can make this change known to the IMCA list, so that I can post again there? -- Liebe Grüße/best regards Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive hobby??
Girlfriends (for a married man). -- Liebe Grüße/best regards Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:18:41 -0800 (PST), schrieb Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!: Hi list, and goodafternoon.I had a discussion with someone at work today about,What is the most expensive hobby.Well I said, There can be no doubt it is meteorite collecting.Well than she said, it is obvious that you do not know your expensive hobbies.She started rattling off things about horses and motor cycles.I said you are nuts.I explained to her about bob haag finding calcalong creek.Her mouth stopped and she went silent.So I put it you, the meteorite hobbyist.What do you think is the most expensive hobby is?Questions, comments,critisims, rebuttles, are welcome.Let me know your thoughts.I think it is an interesting question. steve arnold, chicago, usa!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy
It might be natural to ask a question then, but THIS one? This isn't the natural question, but a highly fabricated, insane and stupid question. I really think you are on the very dead end of your carreer. Strung up in your own fabrics, unable to get out of the hole you dug yourself. Happy rotting in there, I enjoy to watch. -- Liebe Grüße/best regards Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: If you REALLY think the answer to your question is they are supporters of terrorism, get your head insured for its rarity: You have found a way to store billions of tons of sh... in a small space. Am Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:12:35 EST, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: About our web page, when we see the misadventure which happened at Mike during his last trip, it's natural to ask the question : Who are these kind nomads who share the tea with him one day, and the other day drive at full speed in a military place to escape at a patrol with the risk to explode in a minefield or to be shoot by another patrol? What his the reason of their quick change of attitude when they have been discovered at 2 km of the Algeria border, near the mined wall? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA supply slowing?
Two signs I have heard of: Lab waiting times are getting shorter Prices in Morocco raise Two signs I have seen myself: Little new material on meteorite fairs Prices on ebay rise -- Liebe Grüße/best regards Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Wed, 08 Dec 2004 20:59:19 -0600, schrieb Jamie Stephens: Folks, A few knowledgeable dealers have recently commented that the supply of NWA meteorites is slowing. Who agrees or disagrees, and what are the signs? If the flow is slowing, how much? --Jamie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is the current address to post on the I.M.C.A. list?
same question here :-) -- Liebe Grüße/best regards Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Thu, 09 Dec 2004 07:14:01 +, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Messages truncated __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for volunteers
Hi, I am looking for volunteers for two sites: http://www.meteoritenews.com I need people posting news about meteorites there, like new classifications, new falls, links to interesting articles elsewhere. The only HTML knowledge you need is how to place br and p tags, how to place a blockquote/blockquote tag and how to write a link that opens in a new window :-) http://www.meteoritecollecting.com I am looking for poeple willing to post articles for beginners and intermediate collectors, stories from expeditions, reports from fairs and so on. If you always wanted to do something productive for the meteorite community on the net, here's your chance. Just contact me. Ah, and all the others, please don't forget to feed meteoritegallery.com with your pics and metsale.com with your auctions/sales. Don't just consume, produce. :-) -- Liebe Grüße/best regards Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Response to the Pellissons
Of course. Zero. Nada. Null. Nichts. Bernhard -- Liebe Grüße, Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Sat, 04 Dec 2004 18:06:09 -0800, schrieb Michael L Blood: Mr. Mr. Pellisson, PS: Anyone else care to let the Pellisons know how much business from them they can expect as long as this atrocious portion of their site remains? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Accusation of Misusing of NWA numbers
I would be a little bit cautious with such accusations. At least NWA 1817 has another legitimate owner than those mentioned here, to my best knowledge. -- Liebe Grüße, Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Sun, 5 Dec 2004 08:28:55 -0500, schrieb Nelson: Rob, So that means the Hupes and Mike are misusing numbers! Never thought I'd see that happen! Thanks for the heads up!! and nonetheless Merry Christmas !!(honestly!) Thanks nels - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:12 AM Subject: Accusation of Misusing of NWA numbers NWA 1827 - Obtained from Mike Farmer late 2003 NWA 1817 - Obtained from The Hupes early 2004 Can provide documentation to support both Yep, just before Christmas Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 3:53 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Misusing of NWA numbers Dear List, I thought we just went through an exorcising of the misuse of NWA numbers! Now after this a this member finds it necessary to use 1827 and 1817 in his advertisements. Oh well, we may claim we're all high born and accuse everyone else of being evil (while we remain pristine), but in reality it all comes down to trying to aggravate , name calling and generally the pursuit of the dollar. What a shame, and on top of that just before Christmas. The world will never change. Thanks Nels __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NPA 01-22-1788 Old Meteor News Report
To my best knowledge, f and s were one letter back then in print. I remember reading old german books when I was young, from the beginning of last century and up to the 40's, they were all written with these old letters and f and s were the same :-). However, in handwriting, there WAS a difference. Bernhard -- Liebe Grüße, Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Sun, 05 Dec 2004 08:17:24 -0600, schrieb MARK BOSTICK: Paper: The Times City: London, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom Date: Tuesday, January 22, 1788 Page: 3 (of 4) In addition to the account we lately gave of the fiery meteor, feen from different parts of the kingdom in its progrefs n rthward, and firft deferibed by a Gentleman at Chefter; we have further to remark, that is was alfo feen at Kirkby-Lonfdale, in Weftmoreland, where, by the affiftance of a theodolite, the following circumftances were afcertained: Its direction was from north-weft to the north eaft nearly. At tits firft appearance, its elevation was nearly 30 deg. and its mangetical bearing 1 deg. weft of fouth; its colour was that of a bright coal fire, its apparent magnitude fomewhat lefs than the full moon. If feemed to leave a fiery tail or ftream behind it. (end) Like the Weston newspaper article posted by me (a while ago)this one has f's in place where we would now have s's. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco
And actually, I like this lifestyle, especially when I am in a situation where I have all the time in the world, too :-) Don't get it wrong, it's not all about haggling or money, it's - in a way - their way to spend time :-). -- Liebe Grüße, Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Sun, 5 Dec 2004 09:43:12 -0700, schrieb Michael Farmer: OH ALLAH, thou hast forsaken me. Sorry Braik, them there things are not meteorites, just rocks, not worth 1 Dirham. Do all of you on the list see what we deal with in Morocco? Imagine going to at least 20 or 30 homes, sometimes driving an hour or more since someone calls your guide saying he has a room full of achondrites and chondrites (yes, they all seem to have heard the names so they use them with glee). You get there and they pull a piece of charcoal or a fossil out of their pocket, yep, that is the only meteorite they have, and when you ask about the phone call telling you about the treasures that you will see when you come to his house?. Just a smile, after all, this is the Moroccan way of life, scam or be scammed, get the person there, maybe they will buy whatever it is you have, even if it is not a meteorite. Remember, they have all the time in the world. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: braik bouchaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco hello friend i m from morroco casablanca 120 klm wid bengrire clic her http://fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/braik01/album?.dir=/4f12 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Barwell
Just wanted to share a pic of a nice Barwell fragment I received from David Hardy lately: http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/viennametcoll/barwell275 It weighs 2.75g and is my first piece of this christmas meteorite :-) -- Liebe Grüße, Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] dhofar inclusions
As always, photos would be helpful. -- Liebe Grüße, Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:09:09 -0800 (PST), schrieb Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!: Hi list.I was going thru some of my dhofar main masses.I have several half-stones, I noticed that 2 more of them have dark inclusions in the center, like carmel in chocolate candy bars.Please any info why this will be helpful. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hmmmm....
:-) My cat loves meteorites, too. His favorite toy are some nice tektites from Thailand. He cicks them through the whole flat :-) -- Liebe Grüße, Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Sun, 5 Dec 2004 20:12:13 + (GMT Standard Time), schrieb Dave Harris: Seems that one of my cats has decided to move in http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.harris580/comet1.jpg damn! regs dave IMCA #0092 Sec. BIMS __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hmmmm....
Well, here's a friend of the other meteorite collector :-) http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/viennametcoll/eddie -- Liebe Grüße, Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Sun, 5 Dec 2004 20:12:13 + (GMT Standard Time), schrieb Dave Harris: Seems that one of my cats has decided to move in http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.harris580/comet1.jpg damn! regs dave IMCA #0092 Sec. BIMS __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco
I think this is spam. I received this and similar mails privately as well. Bernhard Am Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:57:14 +0100, schrieb McomeMeteorite Meteorite: I not have understand. Matteo From: braik bouchaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:02:59 -0500 hello friend dese is for sal one/4kg 2/250g 3/50g -- ___ Sign- up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Filtri antispamming e antivirus per la tua casella di posta http://www.msn.it/msn/hotmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
Am Freitag, 3. Dezember 2004 23:30 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We hope that everybody can return to his passion. Certainly, if you would please leave us terrorism-supporters alone to plan the next attack on mankind. Thank you. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing NWA 3128
Isn't it a pity that this extraordinary meteorite has been cut into pieces that have nothing left from the character of this truly amazing stone? I hope you kept at least one slice that shows what made this meteorite so special... On Thursday 02 December 2004 20:59, Adam Hupe wrote: Hello List Members, Check out this pristine xenolith: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa3128/nwa3128.jpg Last piece left on ebay that describes this strange meteorite: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2290595155 We just wanted to give List members an opportunity to check out this cool meteorite before all is gone. Three of the four listed pieces have already been sold with buy-it-now. Sorry, can't answer too many questions right now because I am preparing for an expedition. I will post a picture of a complete slice when I return and answer any questions. All the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Bernhard Rems -- Hub to the Meteorite Sites: http://meteoritecollecting.com Meteorite Auctions: http://metsale.com Meteorite Gallery: http://meteoritegallery.com Meteorite News: http://meteoritenews.com Meteorite Discussions: http://worldofmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite sites now officially open
Hi there! The network of meteorite related sites is now complete and at your disposal. Five sites are ready and waiting for you to use them and to fill them. The main site is http://meteoritecollecting.com - it is the hub for the complete network. This is a site that will feature articles related to meteorites and announce new items on all the other sites. We are starting off with a first interview in a series where we present meteorite collectors all around the world. The first one to be featured is Norbert Classen from Germany. Please head over to meteoritecollecting.com and find the link to the interview on the right top of the site. Meteoritecollecting.com is also meant for those new to collecting meteorites, so I want to present articles for beginners there as well. What's a meteorite? What about classification? Where to buy? How to store them? Things like that. http://meteoritenews.com will be the place where news from the meteorite world will be presented. New finds/falls, new classifications and more. The news pace is slower in the meteorite community than in other fields, but we try to update as often as possible. http://worldofmeteorites.com is a discussion forum. From chitchat to serious questions - this is a place where a more structured discussion than here on the list can take place. Please head over, register and help me to make this place lively and interesting. http://metsale.com is the auction site for meteorite enthusiasts. It offers the same features as ebay, but does so without the costs of ebay. Once again: this is a site that will only show its potential when people use it. It's my offer, please take advantage of it. Finally, there is http://meteoritegallery.com. This is the place to show off your meteorites and to build a visual database of as many mets as possible. It is also host to SPACEROCKS INC.'s Meteorite picture of the day and allows you to have a place for your own collection. I have put a lot of work into these sites. I think that they, in total, offer something unique and new to the meteorite community. Funny enough, even to collectors of meteorites something new can be something scary. But please don't be shy. As I said: use these tools for you. And if you think these sites are a good idea and you want to contribute, these are some suggestions how to do it: 1) Upload pictures to the meteorite gallery. 2) Submit articles for meteoritecollecting.com 3) Volunteer to post news at meteoritenews.com (it's as easy as typing a mail) 4) Buy and sell at metsale.com - if you fear loss, make the start price the minimum you want for a piece. If you want to help to build traffic, have a courageous heart and start your piece at 0.01c :-). BTW, I have sold two pieces there already. One was a bargain, the second one was what I wanted for it. 5) Start discussing things at worldofmeteorites.com. 6) Carry a link to http://meteoritecollecting.com on your website or in your mail. The hub is made to distribute people to the various sites. Finally, have fun with what I have built. And let me know that you like what you see - not only verbally, but by using the sites and spreading the word... -- Best regards, Bernhard Rems -- Hub to the Meteorite Sites: http://meteoritecollecting.com Meteorite Auctions: http://metsale.com Meteorite Gallery: http://meteoritegallery.com Meteorite News: http://meteoritenews.com Meteorite Discussions: http://worldofmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 23dragons23...
... just bid 52 dollars on a 1.2g piece of NWA 001. Now someone tell me that meteorites are cheap *g*. -- Best regards, Bernhard Rems -- Hub to the Meteorite Sites: http://meteoritecollecting.com Meteorite Auctions: http://metsale.com Meteorite Gallery: http://meteoritegallery.com Meteorite News: http://meteoritenews.com Meteorite Discussions: http://worldofmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] bengrir fall
Well, it's light pollution what makes the difference. And nobody is looking up to the stars here anymore... Bernhard Am Samstag, 27. November 2004 20:34 schrieb Pedersen: Hello all John, you said it I thought it Statisticaly.. ... there has been unusualy few falls over europe, the last few years copmared to north africa ??? or am I wrong ? I DONT acuse anyone of anything please read again I DONT acuse anyone of anything... I just find it interesting ... Lars Pedersen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] bengrir fall Aziz, Do you guys have a big magnet under your country that allows you to get all these falls? :) Amazing to have several falls in recent years in one small area like this. Wonder why...lack of forest and hills that allows falls to be seen so easy??? Thanks for the update. John -- Original message from aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- hello list its official in marrocan news papers now a stone main mass of 10 kilos have made a holl in land some metres. it has been confiscated by morrocan governement and gone for analisis by the morrocan mususem in rabat. hunting in the area is dangerous because the police are looking for any gr. our morrocan team and friends has left the area in perecaution. sincerly aziz _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] NWA 787, 869, 900 and 904
Yes, from comparing my pieces of these meteorites (can't talk about 787, just own a individual here, and can't talk about 900 - don't have it), 904 and 869 look different, and obviously so. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. November 2004 19:03 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA 787, 869, 900 and 904 Hello all, This thread is not meant to drag this subject on a lot longer. What I did was put together some pieces of each meteorite for comparison in a picture. They look very similar of course. The 904 material as you can see on the left seems to have extra features in the comparison of the other pieces. Go to the webpages noted below. Also I once had thin sections made of all three and to me (as a novice saying it)...904 in the section material, that I had made, looks different than the 787 and 869 material in section. The latter two look very similar in section. When I get a chance I may upload some section pics of the different numbers. Could they still be from the same fall...who knows unless someone gets serious about comparing them? Until then, we can only sit back and throw stones at each other while we enjoy these beauties. comparison first seen on the Meteorite Gallery uplaod page. 904 on left, others on right. http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/uploads then it should be moved to the NWA page. http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/NWA John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] dronino
There are no nice pieces of Dronino. Well, there might be some, but they turn ugly pretty soon. Campo del Cielo is made for eternity compared to Dronino. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. November 2004 21:51 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] dronino Hi and thanksgiving everyone.Does anyone have any nice slices of DRONINO forsale?Please let me know.I would like to have a nice size for my collection. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
Interesting. This is a picture of an 1.5g slice I have in my collection: http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/viennametcoll/711_nwa_1839?full= 1 Very strange meteorite indeed... Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von stan . Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. November 2004 21:18 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Stan is full of hot air. He is just sore because a dealer manufactured classification of NWA 1839 was posted to the List and both NAU and UW are aware of it. That's correct, the latest information posted to the List was not even a working copy, just something put together to compete against NWA 3133 by an amateur, it crossed way over the line. NWA 1839 was reported as weighing about 122 grams to the NomCom and as an L7 yet over 500 grams has been claimed to the List by Stan and at first it he claimed it was paired with NWA 011, explain this. This is all in the archives so check it out yourself. the TRUTH about the pairing of nwa nwa 1839 and 3133 - go to: http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~glg100-p/Meteorite.html this is the offical Northern Arizona University web page maintianed by Dr Bunch and Dr Wittke scroll down to the bottom of the page where a summary of meteorite classifications is located click on 'primitive achonderites' scroll down to the middle of the page where the heading 'primitive ungrouped achonderites' is seen. you will SPECIFICALLY see where the fine researchers at NAU are publically calling NWA 3133 and 1839 THE SAME METEORITE. dispute that Adam - unless you want to say that Dr. Bunch and Dr. Whittke dont know what they are tlaking about you have no ground to stand on. to anyone that is curious about this issue - LOOK at the archives. I never once said that nwa 1839 and nwa 011 were paired. i described nwa 1839 by saying it was 'as cool as nwa 011' unless the nomcom recently changed the verbage associated with pairings, saying something is as cool as another meorite is NOT the same as saying they are paired. what is the big deal here? well look at ebay auctions - adam is trying to sell nwa 3133 for 400$ a gram iirc - I'd more than happily sell the small pieces of nwa 1839 I have for 100$ a gram i owunder why he is so unhappy about a pairing determination between the two nwa's __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains!
But your rating is only 99.9% :-) Bernhard BTW - it's not that easy, Adam. Your calculation assumes that each rating is independent. It could also mean that each customer buys 7 items per auction night and never returns. So I would say your claim stands on feet of clay. At least it is the most positive assumption possible, not the realistic one. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2004 21:41 An: Michael Farmer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains! Mike, A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers repeat business. It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of positive feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means that on the average a customer will repeat business with us at least seven times. Anybody who understands customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio in the business. Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite and tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for years, and Ebay does not break such things down. That is just idiotic. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Dear List Members, Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are ending tonight. Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents. To see these officially classified items please click on the link below and go to Go see all current items for sale by this member. The weekly rare material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to the bottom of the list to see these. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoritel ab And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link: http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=raremeteor ites True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there are never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents. Remember to buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a greater than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever achieved by far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means several things, customers are pleased with pricing, selection, quality and customer service. Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains!
Mike is right (maybe not with the wording, but regarding the matter). The numbers you presented reflect the number of items per auction session more than the return traffic of customers. The more auctions you list per night, the higher the ration number of feedback: number of unique customers will be. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2004 22:11 An: Adam Hupe Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains! O Man, I must suck ass on ebay. I dont have hundreds of .99 cent crap for sale, nor 1000 auctions a week like you guys. Does it feel good to toot your own horn so often? I should start trying. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Mike, Your ratio is less than 3 to 1. Hope this helps, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are you telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites? You would have to if you claim to be the best. Myself, I have a 7.1 Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do not affect the feedback score. Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller out there? I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that way. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Mike, A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers repeat business. It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of positive feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means that on the average a customer will repeat business with us at least seven times. Anybody who understands customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio in the business. Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite and tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for years, and Ebay does not break such things down. That is just idiotic. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Dear List Members, Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are ending tonight. Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents. To see these officially classified items please click on the link below and go to Go see all current items for sale by this member. The weekly rare material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to the bottom of the list to see these. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoritel ab And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link: http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=raremeteor ites True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there are never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents. Remember to buy with confidence because we are rated number one on ebay with a greater than 7:1 return customer ratio. This is the highest level ever achieved by far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means several things, customers are pleased with pricing, selection, quality and customer service. Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list
AW: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains!
For the facts I mentioned, I wouldn't call this a legitimate claim. Please consider. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2004 21:59 An: Michael Farmer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - GreatBargains! Mike, You brought it up. We are only making a legitimate claim. Ratios should be very important to anybody who deals anything. Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Here it is, meteoritehunters 2.3 meteorite-hunter 2.3 meteoritelab 7.2 raremeteorites 1.6 naturesvault 1.6 The real question is who cares? Reading little blurbs about how great you are is getting old to me and alot of other people. We are all dealers. You guys are getting more and more IN-Your-Face with this retarded best sellers (I mean Collectors) in the business. Adam, who really cares, you sell I sell we all sell. The only thing you need advertise is your material, nothing else. Mike Farmer Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Mike, Let me check your ratios and get back to you in a few minutes. Ebay has all kinds of extended tools to check things out and yes they do keep track. Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Adam, I know what you are talking about, but that is BULLPUCKEY, are you telling me that you did that for every seller of meteorites? You would have to if you claim to be the best. Myself, I have a 7.1 Of course it is totally flawed since most buyers who have already left feedbacks do not bother to continue to leave them, as they really do not affect the feedback score. Any other ways to try and make it seem like you are the best seller out there? I thought you were just collectors? You sure don't try to market that way. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Mike, A good measure of customer satisfaction is how many times customers repeat business. It is very simple to figure out, divide total number of positive feedback by unique feedback and our ratio is over 7 to 1, the best by far in the meteorite/tektite subsection. This means that on the average a customer will repeat business with us at least seven times. Anybody who understands customer satisfaction will tell you this is the most important ratio in the business. Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Adam, now tell me how you suggest that you are TOP in the meteorite and tektite subsection. That is absurd. I have been a Powerseller for years, and Ebay does not break such things down. That is just idiotic. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two Sets of Auctions Ending - Great Bargains! Dear List Members, Two sets of auctions representing over 130 great specimens are ending tonight. Many are still bargain priced at just 99 cents. To see these officially classified items please click on the link below and go to Go see all current items for sale by this member. The weekly rare material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to the bottom of the list to see these. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoritel ab And several other nice meteorites can be found at this link: http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=raremeteor ites True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there are never
AW: [meteorite-list] My Eyes Are Glazing Over- Need Scorecard
Oh, is it, that serious collectors don't accept NWA in their collections? Or is this rather some shitty snobist attitude? Thank you for calling me a non-serious collector. :-( Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Pekka Savolainen Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2004 20:05 An: mark ford Cc: Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My Eyes Are Glazing Over- Need Scorecard Well, this is one reason, why some serious collectors don´t accept NWA:s in their collection. I´m stil wondering, to be or not to be...;- Anyway, not the best way to advertise these beauties - to make them as the easter-eggs. best pekka s mark ford wrote: Yes it is confusing! To me, all it's done is make every single meteorite label in our collections questionable. - i.e 'a probably rather than an actually' Clearly there is no way to guarantee authenticity if people sell unchecked stuff, - yes even if someone in a bar in Morroco said it originated from a known strewnfield. So as long as everyone appreciates that then fair enough. Personally, I say never mind the dealers, the Buyers should get stuff checked! - I certainly will from now on, all Lunar Martian stuff etc I buy will gonna be checked over a lot more stringently than usual... Best Mark Ford -Original Message- From: Paul H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 November 2004 15:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] My Eyes Are Glazing Over- Need Scorecard As someone, who is trying to follow this discussion, my eyes are starting glaze over with NWA 1110 this; NWA 2223 that; NWA 3133 is mine; NWA 3133 is not yours; my NWA 1906 is real; your NWA 1906 is fake; may the real NWA 788, NWA 787, or NWA 482, please stand up. It is hard to search back through the innumerable posts, given the lack of a search engine specifically for the archives, to find out the details behind each specific number is being talked about. At some point, it seems someone needs to provide a scorecard of some sort, if it doesn't already exist, about what each of these players (meteorites) in the number game are about. It would help the soft core, uninitiated lurkers better understand what is the significance of NWA versus either NWA or NWA YYXX. As the posts go back and forth about these numbers, I think of a song to the tune of This Land is Your Land that starts out as NWA 1110 is My number, NWA 1110 is not your number from Uranus to Mercury... appearing at some point. Yours, Paul Baton Rouge, LA __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Enjoy this beauty
http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/viennametcoll/757_dho_535_1 My latest acquisition - I just LOVE ungrouped meteorites :-). Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Repository of photos...
:-) I think you will be getting tired of hearing this, but I invested a lot of time to create a free repository for meteorite photos at http://www.meteoritegallery.com I know this doesn't fit scientific standards, but hey, it's a beginning and could be very useful at least for collectors wanting to know how a certain meteorite looks like. That is, if people upload pics there. All I can say is: USE IT, FOLKS. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Nicholas Gessler Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. November 2004 19:48 An: John Birdsell; Jeff Grossman Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] Repository of photos... Hi Jeff, et al, Regarding a repository of photos, I too think it would be extraordinarily useful. To this end, I noticed that Marvin Kilgore has a book in press to partially satisfy this need. It would be nice to have some professional reviews of it. Jeff, Alan, are you game? Marvin had a galley proof at the Costa Mesa show. Perhaps he'd loan a copy for review? Cheers, Nick At 10:34 AM 11/21/2004, John Birdsell wrote: Hello Jeff and thanks for your email. I think a repository of high quality photos of type specimens would be extremely useful for the entire meteorite community. Cheers -John Jeff Grossman wrote: There are several reasons for this result. Among these are: 1) Not all scientists are equally skilled at classifying meteorites. 2) Not all samples are representative of the whole. It used to be that a lab would have the entire mass to examine and could see the entire structure. With meteorites in commercial hands, they often just get a small chip. Given that lots of chondrites and achondrites are breccias, this can be a problem. 3) Some meteorites are borderline between types. Many of us try to make a decision as to which it is, and two people might come down on opposite sides of the line. If it actually matters, somebody will do careful work and publish on the subject. In most cases the error doesn't matter. Researchers all know that classification errors of this sort happen. 4) Nobody has ever standardized the way that brecciated meteorites should be described. Someday this will be fixed. 5) Some areas of meteorite classification are controversial (e.g., the use of type 7). We already have a consortium of labs... it is all of those labs that agree to house type specimens and make them available for research whenever an important scientific question arises. We already have a network for data sharing... it includes the Meteoritical Bulletin and the numerous scientific journals that publish abstracts and peer-reviewed research. If there is a need for a repository of photos, for example, one could be set up in short order. Is there? On the question of pairing... for most meteorites, pairing studies are of little scientific interest and not worth taking the time to do. Visual pairings are almost worthless. For the important meteorites, pairings get worked out in the scientific literature over time. This may be unsettling for some dealers, but that's the way it is. jeff At 11:11 AM 11/21/2004, Matt Morgan wrote: Just to add a note... There is a fundamental scientific problem of classifying meteorites. Try sending two pieces of the same meteorite to different labs. Chances are you will get different results. For instance, I have L5's that came back as L4's and L6's. Regolith this and Primitive that. I heard the same situation happening for NWA 1929, either howardite OR eucrite. I understand some of it is interpretive. The system itself is flawed. Ideally, we need an NWA consortium of labs to correct this and have type specimens on hand. This SEEMS to be an easy fix, but university politics plays a huge role. So all you scientists who study NWA's, how about a network for meteorite data sharing? It will make ALL our lives easier... Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Wesel Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 2:38 AM To: Michael Farmer; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers While I truly believe this practice is ultimately costly to the collector, truer words have never been spoken. Thanks Mike: Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is guilty of this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to start people MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we see tonight. So, for now, we make it right. We follow the rules and pay out to prove pairings. We wait longer to get to market and costs go up because repeat lab fees and repeat type specimens factor into prices per gram. I don't like it one bit but that's what we do. I will be finishing off my likely paired howardite as such but new specimens are already off to the lab, specimens I know are paired. While I seriously doubt the law has any holding here, the NomCom
AW: [meteorite-list] Thanks for the honest answer Dr. Grossman
Rob, what I will write isn't from a scientific point of view. I am no scientist. I am a collector. So what I will write is from a collector's point of view. With no meteorite I have ever bought on ebay or elsewhere, I got proof that what was sold to me was actually what it was advertised to be. It's hard to proof it, even the so called certificates of authenticy are nothing more than paper, since there is only one person in the world who can guarantee that the meteorite is what he is said to be: the original holder of the classified material. So, when there is no proof - the only thing that remains is trust. I have to trust the seller that he sells me what he tells me. If this trust is shaken by something, I will stay away from him in the future. There are two easy questions I want to ask you: 1) How can you PROOF you sell NWA 1110 when you sell NWA 1110? Just tell me what proofs for YOU that you are selling NWA 1110. 2) How can you be sure that the material you are selling is martian? Just tell me what proofs for YOU that you are selling a martian meteorite with NWA 1110. Answer them in a way that makes me trust in you. I assume that when you bought that material, you asked the seller the same questions, right? Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AW: [ I.M.C.A. ] Re: [Fwd: S. Ray DeRusse...]
Matteo, it's not that JPL could eliminate this person forever or close his site. I suggest you hire a lawyer and do it yourself, but I think that the chances are not the best, actually. You could spend a lot of money with little outcome. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: M come Meteorite Meteorites [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 20. November 2004 07:55 An: Pekka Savolainen; Steve Schoner Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [ I.M.C.A. ] Re: [Fwd: S. Ray DeRusse...] Its the time to eliminated this person forever, write all to JPL for ask to close the site of this idiot. I have write yesterday, and I have been inform my lawyer and well I can denounce this idiot for libel. Matteo Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Steve, that was what I thought, just wanted to let you know, he seems to use your name on his site. This is not very nice, excpecially at the moment, your health is the best it could be. Perhaps Ken could ask Mr. DaRusse to remove this nonsense from his site? The same person also uses DMS (Dutch Meteor Society) material on his sites, and I have informed Marco Langbroek about this. Don´t have words to say, what I´m thinking about the way, Mr. DaRusse uses the names / material of the people without permission or even the people don´t know, their name / material is used, sad and discusting. Steve, try to manage with your health, life is sometimes, what it is, but anyway. best regards and have a nice weekend, pekka s Steve Schoner wrote: Ken, Pekka, et al, ??? What is this As far as I remember I made no agreement with Ray DeRusse other than to trade a sample of Takysie Lake for some of his so called stellar grains. I have made no conclusion on these samples, nor at this time do I intend to do any work with these as to ascertain what they are. No agreement, financial, scientific or otherwise was implied in the transaction which was in 2002 before I became disabled in Jan. 2003. As I remember it was a simple trade for a questionable meteorite (stellar grains) for a questionable meteorite (Takysie Lake)-- the question of both which is still in question. Furthermore I am silent regarding this not to protect the scientists. I don't know where that idea comes from, and it is certainly not mine, I might add. My silence is due to the fact that I am dealing with major health issues. I have very little time now to deal with meteorites, the MetList or any meteorite endeavors, so, that said, I am not even going to get involved in this dispute. Since my near fatal brain illness, I am simply too ill to deal with such. Steve Schoner. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message Subject: S. Ray DeRusse... Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:29:41 +0200 From: Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I´d be glad to have your comment for this, Steve...;-The person above (pekka s) is implying that we used the above writings in italics (box) to fabricate having received a Takysie Lake sample from Steve Shoner. Below is one of Mr. Shoner's envelopes. We don't have to engage in fraud and wishful thinking Mr. Pekka. The scientists and law enforcement that need to know who is engaging in what activity already know. Therefore, Mr. Shoner need not divulge any information to the meteorite list group member above pekka s. He could set you straight if he wanted to but he is not sharing any information openly with the meteorite list because by keeping you in the dark Mr. Shoner helps protect the scientists. He is not at liberty to discuss with you what he has sent to us and not sent and what the results are. He is not allowed to convey anything meaningful because it is too damaging for all of you and the scientific community.http://www.bccmeteorites.com/matteo2.htmlbest,pekka s-- Pekka SavolainenJokiharjuntie 4FIN-71330 RasalaFINLAND+ 358 400 818 912Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoinGroup Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The International Meteorite Collectors Association Official Mailing List Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteoritecollectorsassociation/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. M come Meteorite - Matteo
[meteorite-list] Metsale.com - no end of auction fee this year
Hi! As you know, I have opened metsale.com a couple of days ago (you can buy, sell and auction your meteorites there). A big thank you to all the people who have already opened an account there. Well, my intention is to give this site a good start. The more people use it, the better the auctions will be. So I thought about an additional goodie and came up with this idea: Listing your items there has been been free from day one (no listing fee like on ebay). And now, until December 31st, there won't be an end of auction fee either. This means: you will get what you get. So: there is no excuse anymore to NOT list some of the stuff you want to sell. Everything is there: auctions, dutch auctions, reserve price and buy it now function. Just like ebay, but for free :-). Please go there, look at the auctions already running, register an account and buy, sell, auction. http://www.metsale.com Bernhard PS: Those signing up get a $10 bonus towards other functions on the site, so you can experiment with highlighting, exposing your item on the front page and much more without spending money. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] ad talampaya and murchison forsale
:) Indeed he is. Money means nothing to him, so some items are extremely expensive, but others are extremely cheap. I fully respect that kind of behaviour :-) Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. November 2004 00:16 An: Michael Fowler Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ad talampaya and murchison forsale Mike, Don't criticize Steve. He's a rare eccentric beyond such things. Like British royalty :) Bill -- Original message -- From: Michael Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Steve, Didn't you just tell the list how you got that allende for $2 a gram? That's quite a mark-up, or is there a typo in the price? Maybe you're trying to make up for all those freebies you gave away!! Mike ___ Hi list.I have a 2 gram fragment of murchison and talampaya forsale for $225 for the 2 of them.They will come with specimen cards and both in riker boxes.I will also supply the shipping for them also.Let me know. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite from Floridacoaster
Hi, just a word about this ebay seller: if you stayed away from the bidding on his lunar offers (Dhofar 025) due to the low price (0.4g/$45 buy it now): I ebny you for your reason and discipline. To all those wo have bought a piece: Congratulations! I received mine today and examined it under the microscope. It's the real thing, without doubt - and a real beauty. Bernhard meteorite auctions at http://www.metsale.com meteorite gallers at http://www.meteoritegallery.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] mainmass
I second that. I think that's how the term main mass is best described. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von dean bessey Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. November 2004 21:46 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] mainmass We have argued for years about this and often with agendas to push and you can argue forever without a concensus that pleases everybody. The main mass is the largest remaining piece. Are you saying that if a rock is cut so that no piece is larger than 50% of the original weight that there is no longer a main mass in existance? Also what about when the largest piece is less than 50% like in large falls like campo del ceilo or example. The 50% rule is pretty much dumb. The situation with NWAs, Dhofars, DAGs ect adds a little problem because we all know that many are paired. But I have a solution to the desert problem. When a meteorite is registered with the met society it has a defined weight. A single stone might weigh 456 grams and if say NWA10875 is officially 456 grams there can be no more NWA10875 other than this 456 grams. A paired stone might later be called NWA11225 that weighs 367 grams. There can be a largest piece of both of those stones. There are now two main masses of the stones even though everybody knows that they are from the same fall. But there are two valid main masses here. Maybe if somebody dont like that they can coin the name DESERT MAIN MASS which refers to the main mass of a desert meteorite that we know likely has pairings. But we all know this anyway so adding the word desert might be a waste of space. The main mass of say NWA10875 is the largest piece of NWA10875 that still exists. I dont see the real problem with this since we know exactly the weight of what is known as NWA10875 Cheers DEAN --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas, to me and everyone I know, main mass always signifies the largest remaining piece of any meteorite. Thus if a Dhofar is found in 3 individuals, the largest is the main mass, but if that piece is cut up, and one of the smaller pieces is left, then I think that should be called the main mass. I know there are no official rules on that though. Michael Farmer. - Original Message - From: Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] mainmass Dear List Is there an official definition for mainmasses? A)the mass that is left after classification . ok no problem B)over 50% of one meteorite. What's up with meteorites where several peaces were found ,then three stones could be the mainmass but there could be one stone that's bigger as each of the three but less than 50% ,so the biggest would not necessary be the mainmass C)less than 50% of one meteorite. So the problem in B)would be solved ,but when there is only one stone and I have a mainmass with less than 50% it could happen this stone broke/ore be cut and suddenly another person have the mainmass because each of the fragments are smaller than the slice person x has and person x did not know that he/she is suddenly the owner of the mainmass . any help ? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Personal Collection Sites?
There is :-). At least there is one in the works. Have a look at www.meteoritegallery.com. If you contribute to the general gallery, I will give you a folder there to show off your private collection. Contact me if you need more information. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Schultz Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. November 2004 03:38 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] Personal Collection Sites? Greetings. I know alot of List members have personal collection sites, but I was just wondering if it was possible to have a site where people can list thier personal collections so that all of us can look and enjoy? I know that I really admire such sites, and thought that it might be easier to locate them this way. I also know that most dealers have thier collections listed on thier sale sites, but most personal collections are not easily found. Just something that I was thinking about tonight! Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Another fake name, serious business
Basically, I would LOVE to get several stones I have classified... But in all the months on the list - no one ever answered the question WHERE. Those who have labs working on their pieces don't tell for good reason. :-) Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. November 2004 02:41 An: Michael Fowler; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Michael Fowler Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Another fake name, serious business Yes, I am very pleased with Marcin and Edwin and their responses. And yes, his piece is MUCH nicer looking than my NWA 1906, and it is different and it deserves to be classified and given a proper number. We all need to respect each-others work and time and money and not abuse this system. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Michael Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another fake name, serious business I think Marcin deserves our support for the honorable way he has responded to this problem. Mike Fowler Chicago PS The chondrules in the not-NWA 1906 are georgeous!! -- Marcin of Polandmet wrote: At last: Comparing now Your photos with all specimens of NWA1906 I saw on fairs or internet and with all my specimens I must say that THIS IS NOT THE SAME MATERIAL. I make mistake. But I not do this with Bad intention. I not named my material as NWA1906 becouse this number was first I saw or becouse I wanted make anything against You Mike. I can say only Im sorry Mike. I will right now stop selling this meteorite as NWA1906, and anyone who buy this meteorite from me and are unhappy, can return specimens with full refund. PS, Material that was sell by me as NWA1906 was also classified as NWA2289 R3-6. For compare NWA2289 R3-6 http://www.meteoriten.com/special.html For me its the same meteorite and now this cant be another mistake, but ofcourse I will not rename my rumuruti to another good number. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] NWA 3133
Well, the other mail today here wasn't formal, but rather conclusive, I think. For me, we cannot conclude, but suspect a pairing, or at least a second NWA with very similar characteristics, right? Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Montag, 15. November 2004 22:04 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA 3133 Dear List, Several have been asking about NWA 3133. NWA 3133 is destined to be a famous set of stones exclusive to the Hupe Collection. NWA 3133 was the very first achondrite to plot on the CV mixing line using oxygen isotope testing. It has been stated that NWA 3133 may be the most important meteorite to have been found in 30 years and is destined to become a classic among scientists. There are several abstracts in progress in regards to NWA 3133 and one that is already complete. Here is a link to the completed abstract: http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm04/fm04-sessions/fm04_P31C.html I have not seen anything formal on any other meteorite that would cause me conclude a pairing. Here is the classification submitted to the NomCom: Northwest Africa 3133 Morocco Purchased 2004 March/August Primitive achondrite (anomalous) Several complete, dense, brown stones (total 2393 g) were purchased in Tagounite by a Moroccan dealer for A. and G. Hupé (Hupé) in 2004 March and August. Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU; A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS): equigranular texture of subhedral to anhedral grains with ~120° triple junctions; mean grain size = 0.28 mm. Moderate but pervasive weathering (W2) has converted some metal and troilite to brown iron hydroxides, which also coat grain boundaries. Mineral mode in vol.%: olivine 46, orthopyroxene 28, plagioclase 7, Cr-diopside 5, Na-Mg-bearing merrillite 4, metal (including associated hydroxides) 5, chromite 3 and troilite 2. Highly equilibrated mineral compositions: olivine (Fa22.2 to Fa22.6, FeO/MnO = 57 - 69), orthopyroxene (Fs18.6Wo2.8 to Fs19.2Wo2.1, FeO/MnO = 38 - 49), diopside (Fs7.3Wo44.6 to Fs8.7Wo42.2, FeO/MnO = 21 - 33, Cr2O3 = 0.56 to 0.82 wt.%, Al2O3 =1.21 to 1.74 wt.%), plagioclase (An50.1Or2.5 to An53.5Or2.3), metal (Ni = 17.4 - 20.2 wt.%), chromite (TiO2 = 2.61 wt.%, Cr/(Cr+Al) = 0.73), troilite (Ni = 1.2 - 5.2 wt.%). Oxygen isotopes: replicate analyses of an acid-washed whole rock sample by laser fluorination (D. Rumble, CIW) gave respectively ?18O = 3.06, 2.46, ?17O = -1.75, -2.25, ?17O = -3.36, -3.54 per mil, and triplicate analyses of an acid-washed olivine-rich separate by laser fluorination (T. Larson and F. Longstaffe, UWO) gave respectively ?18O = 1.78, 0.92, 0.89, ?17O = -2.91, -3.67, -3.62, ?17O = -3.84, -4.16, -4.08 per mil. All of these oxygen isotope compositions plot on the CV3 mixing line, suggesting that this achondritic meteorite has affinities with CV chondrites (Irving et al., 2004). Specimens: type specimens, 20.1 g, and one polished thin section, NAU; 40.3 g, and four polished thin sections, UWS; main mass, Hupé. Irving, A. J., Larson, T. E., Longstaffe, F. J., Rumble, D., Bunch, T. E., Wittke, J. H. and Kuehner, S. M. (2004) A primitive achondrite with oxygen isotopic affinities to CV chondrites: Implications for differentiation and size of the CV parent body. Eos, Trans. Amer. Geophys. Union, 85(47), Fall Meet. Suppl., Abstract P31C-02. I hope this clears things up, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] $2.95 AMGALA SALE
Regarding Amgala in Munich: I have been there as well, and I second Dean's observations. Amgala was around EUR3.00 to EUR4.00 - The more beautiful pieces closer to the 4 euro mark. I myself bought an 81g 100% crusted individual, and I have seen quite some other pieces. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] An offer: shop+domain+hosting
Hi list! I have worked hard the last few weeks (and had a hard time being silent about that *g*) building something I think will be most interesting for most of you: I am proud to be able to offer you a complete, automated and easy to use shop for your meteorite sales, including setup, your own domain and hosting. After a lot of research on the internet I have found a shopping cart that is ideal for meteorite stores. After I have set it up, you don't need any programming skills or HTML knowledge to upload and present your meteorites. It handles different categories and subcategories, allows you to accept paypal, credit cards (if you have a merchant account) and many other payment options. You just enter a description, upload a pic (pics are resized for a thumbnail view on the fly), add the price and the item is ready for sale. The cart even handles your mail exchange with your customers, alerts you about sales, does backups of your database and allows you to specify sh for foreign or domestic shipping. You can highlight products, enter rebates and much more. You can easily change the look of the shop to fit into your homepage's color scheme. And: it's multilingual for the admin and the user! I have registered a domain and bought a server where I can build this shop for you (and this server will be exclusively for the shops, so the loading times will be VERY fast). The domain is www.metsale.com (not active yet), and your domain would be something like meteoritesaustralia.metsale.com (grin) (just replace the first part with the name of your web appearance). The setup fee is $50 ($25 for IMCA members), monthly hosting cost is $25, including 500MB webspace (should be more than enough even for the largest shops) and 10GB transfer (same here, that's a LOT). Compare this with other offers NOT including a fully functional shop. You get a shop that is ready to use, you can start filling it with content right away. The server has excellent connections to the internet and works extremely reliable. Even if you run your own website, this shop is perfect as an addition. Just link to it from your website, and back to the website from your shop. No more fiddling with HTML, layout, no more hassles with processing payments. For those interested, I have set up a demo shop where they can play around with the admin section and have a look at the shop itself, just to get the feeling how easy this thing is and how little work there is involved once I have set it up for you. Please mail me and I will give you access to the demo shop admin section. I hope you find this offer interesting - I think this is something a lot of people have waited for (including me). Please contact me off-list with any questions. Regards, Bernhard Rems IMCA #2121 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] An offer: shop+domain+hosting
Hi list! I have worked hard the last few weeks (and had a hard time being silent about that *g*) building something I think will be most interesting for most of you: I am proud to be able to offer you a complete, automated and easy to use shop for your meteorite sales, including setup, your own domain and hosting. After a lot of research on the internet I have found a shopping cart that is ideal for meteorite stores. After I have set it up, you don't need any programming skills or HTML knowledge to upload and present your meteorites. It handles different categories and subcategories, allows you to accept paypal, credit cards (if you have a merchant account) and many other payment options. You just enter a description, upload a pic (pics are resized for a thumbnail view on the fly), add the price and the item is ready for sale. The cart even handles your mail exchange with your customers, alerts you about sales, does backups of your database and allows you to specify sh for foreign or domestic shipping. You can highlight products, enter rebates and much more. You can easily change the look of the shop to fit into your homepage's color scheme. And: it's multilingual for the admin and the user! I have registered a domain and bought a server where I can build this shop for you (and this server will be exclusively for the shops, so the loading times will be VERY fast). The domain is www.metsale.com (not active yet), and your domain would be something like meteoritesaustralia.metsale.com (grin) (just replace the first part with the name of your web appearance). The setup fee is $50 ($25 for IMCA members), monthly hosting cost is $25, including 500MB webspace (should be more than enough even for the largest shops) and 10GB transfer (same here, that's a LOT). Compare this with other offers NOT including a fully functional shop. You get a shop that is ready to use, you can start filling it with content right away. The server has excellent connections to the internet and works extremely reliable. Even if you run your own website, this shop is perfect as an addition. Just link to it from your website, and back to the website from your shop. No more fiddling with HTML, layout, no more hassles with processing payments. For those interested, I have set up a demo shop where they can play around with the admin section and have a look at the shop itself, just to get the feeling how easy this thing is and how little work there is involved once I have set it up for you. Please mail me and I will give you access to the demo shop admin section. I hope you find this offer interesting - I think this is something a lot of people have waited for (including me). Please contact me off-list with any questions. Regards, Bernhard Rems IMCA #2121 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] $2.95 AMGALA SALE
I have been there, and there was no Amgala for $1/g (btw - they all calculated in Euros, and for good reasons). And I have looked under the tables, Matteo. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Gesendet: Samstag, 06. November 2004 22:45 An: McomeMeteorite Meteorite; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] $2.95 AMGALA SALE Wow, Matteo and his spies. You are a real James Bond. Matteo, I think that after so many years of doing this, I have learned how to deal with Moroccans, and I saw everything they had, and I saw the Amgala, not this cheap. If you weren't there, don't spew lies about the show please. No one believes you anymore. - Original Message - From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] $2.95 AMGALA SALE I have my informers and most likely you do not look under the tables of the dealers. This moroccan person is the same give to me the meteorites and for sure have this amgala in Bologna 2005 and I want see this piecefor the moment I have seen only via photo this piece. From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] tecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] $2.95 AMGALA SALE Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:38:11 -0700 Matteo, were you in Munich? I am not sure how you say that a Moroccan offered Amgala for that price? I saw that amgala, and it was much more expensive than that. - Original Message - From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] $2.95 AMGALA SALE E...this is the market here say some people...when I say the prices its under go in total ruin many say nebay is not the market etc.. etc... For me this is a right price for a ordinary chondrite recent fall in Morocco..Just in Munich days ago a moroccan person offer a 1.5 kg. of Amgala for $1500now have to reduce the price again probably Matteo From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] $2.95 AMGALA SALE Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:06:17 +0100 Lol great. What next ? Amgala for 0.95$/g ? - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] $2.95 AMGALA SALE Here is some Amgala cheaper than it has been offered at by other dealers. Price only US$2.95 a gram. All has at least some crust and several is over 90% crust. http://www.meteoriteshop.com/sales/amgalasale.html Sincerely DEAN BESSEY (Also see my meteorites on ebay user id AMUNRE and AZTECFEAST) http://www.meteoriteshop.com/sales/amgalasale.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Ricerche online più semplici e veloci con MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices
My theory (and I might be wrong): The number of occasional collectors will continue to grow. Occasional in this regard means that they will try to build a collection, but are limited on the amount of money they WANT to spend on a piece. I'd say 95% of the collectors out there now have a limit of $100-200 of what they are willing to pay for a single piece. They will never buy a 600g Brahin or a 5g martian (well, on very rare occasions, maybe). The high price market will grow much slower than this entry level segment. It will grow as well, since some of the entry levellers will become passionate collectors. So the shortage of OC's that could happen soon could have two effects: prices will rise in relation to the better meteorites, and sold pieces will become smaller. I predict that the boom markets for meteorites will be the OC markets and micromounts of rarer meteorites. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jörn Koblitz Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. November 2004 18:17 An: Greg Hupe; Michael Farmer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices Certainly, there are many more ordinary chondrites (OCs) from the hot desert and rare types like achondrite probably make up just one or two percent of it... ...but, considering the fairly high prices for the rare types and the limited spending capacity of this market segment (collectors as well as museums/research institutes), my impression is, that OCs are easily sold in tons at price levels of 50 to 100$/kg, wereas the rare stuff is being sold on a gram or even milligram scale. Wouldn't it take a very long time, to get all the howardites, polymict eucrites, rumurutiites, martian meteorites (considering alone the TKWs of DaG 476 or SaU 005 and pairings) hiding in the back rooms of Moroccan and non-Moroccan dealers? I assume, that the prices for OCs - especially those with nice shapes or fairly unweathered interior - will rise soon, whereas most of the rare types will stay at high level or will even decline. Any objections? Cheers, Jörn -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Greg Hupe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. November 2004 18:44 An: Michael Farmer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites Hi Mike, I concur! The gold rush is already showing signs of ending. The Moroccans are pulling out their good material and acting in a feverish, money lust, frenzy to get the last buck from those who deal there. Greg - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites On two expeditions in Oman, we found over 100 meteorites before finding my first achondrite, a rare type of Ureilite. Achondrites are rare, the flood from Morocco will soon end. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites Hiho Mark, the region does not make the difference, the finders do! In Antarctica it's the common process, to number each stone seperately - take a look at the Bulletins, there you'll find rare types, found in the same place on the same day with different numbers. Sahara in general is different, in Oman never were so much hunters around as in Libya and the Oman stuff does not end up in Morocco. And the teams in Oman give always all their finds from one aerea as a bunch in classification, most in the same place. So different conditions as with the NWA-stuff. Meanwhile a beginning collector must have the impression, that a howardite, a mesosiderite, a CV3 or a olivine diogenite must be something extremely common, as always when a new one is coming out, in the months to follow, appears a dozen numbers of the same material. But ask f.e. Afanasjev or Haberer how many ordinary chondrites you have to hunt down, until you'll find an achondrite! Make some stats NWA versus Dho, with the latter I suppose you will get different ratios of rare types to common ones, if you count the numbers as own finds. And of course many of the OCs from Oman are similar looking as in most cases, they ae very weathered, W3-4. But take a look in the lists from the Bulletins, where you can see from the date of find and the coordinates, that mostly a large series of subsequent numbers were found on the same trip, there you have a wide variety of Ls and Hs with different Fa and Fs values and weathering degrees. So I think, if it costs the same, Stevey is not wrong to prefer Dho instead of NWA, as in my eyes,
AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices
Martin, I will always repeat my point: :-) Most people DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SELL. To sell something on ebay is an art. If someone sells a rumuruti with one sentence, bad layout and an ugly photo - well, what would you expect? This lack of understanding for the basic principles of selling are as much responsible for the cheap prices as ebay or the large amount of material. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. November 2004 18:33 An: Jörn Koblitz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices Objection: a) Howardite sold after Denver in US-ebay at 6.5$/g b) Lunaite sold in summer on US-ebay in small slices at 200$/g and 500$ for mare basalt. c) Cumulate eucrite in US-ebay at 1.5-2$/g d) Ureilite frequently offered at 25$/g there e) Rumurutis in german ebay (ignorance, hihi) 1.7$/g not to mention the prices one may get on the shows from the Moroccain dealers. I've not the impression, that the rare types are still high priced at the moment. f) Finally for most Moroccains meteorites are simple goods like minerals and fossils. They want to sell them, they make their livings from their sales. Thus why should they keep them in the back rooms? Did they kept the trilobites there, when those crashed in price? (two fossil collectors told me, that the prices for them years ago were much higher). If they would have planned and calculated as supposed, they never would have released so large amounts of rare material before. My impressions. Martin - Original Message - From: Jörn Koblitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:16 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices Certainly, there are many more ordinary chondrites (OCs) from the hot desert and rare types like achondrite probably make up just one or two percent of it... ...but, considering the fairly high prices for the rare types and the limited spending capacity of this market segment (collectors as well as museums/research institutes), my impression is, that OCs are easily sold in tons at price levels of 50 to 100$/kg, wereas the rare stuff is being sold on a gram or even milligram scale. Wouldn't it take a very long time, to get all the howardites, polymict eucrites, rumurutiites, martian meteorites (considering alone the TKWs of DaG 476 or SaU 005 and pairings) hiding in the back rooms of Moroccan and non-Moroccan dealers? I assume, that the prices for OCs - especially those with nice shapes or fairly unweathered interior - will rise soon, whereas most of the rare types will stay at high level or will even decline. Any objections? Cheers, Jörn -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Greg Hupe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. November 2004 18:44 An: Michael Farmer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites Hi Mike, I concur! The gold rush is already showing signs of ending. The Moroccans are pulling out their good material and acting in a feverish, money lust, frenzy to get the last buck from those who deal there. Greg - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites On two expeditions in Oman, we found over 100 meteorites before finding my first achondrite, a rare type of Ureilite. Achondrites are rare, the flood from Morocco will soon end. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites Hiho Mark, the region does not make the difference, the finders do! In Antarctica it's the common process, to number each stone seperately - take a look at the Bulletins, there you'll find rare types, found in the same place on the same day with different numbers. Sahara in general is different, in Oman never were so much hunters around as in Libya and the Oman stuff does not end up in Morocco. And the teams in Oman give always all their finds from one aerea as a bunch in classification, most in the same place. So different conditions as with the NWA-stuff. Meanwhile a beginning collector must have the impression, that a howardite, a mesosiderite, a CV3 or a olivine diogenite must be something extremely common, as always when a new one is coming out, in the months to follow, appears a dozen numbers of the same material. But ask f.e. Afanasjev or Haberer how many ordinary chondrites you have to hunt down, until you'll find an achondrite! Make some stats NWA versus Dho, with the
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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Martin Altmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. November 2004 18:58 An: Bernhard Rems; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices And Bernhard, as always, I answer: For a serious dealer it does not pays off on the long run to praise stinky Campos or boring W4 desert H5s like the Star of India. Experienced collectors don't appreciate such exaggerations and the beginners will soon find out the overstatements. Meteorite market is not Fish Market. Martin You don't get my point, Martin. It's not praising stinky Campos or boring W4 desert H5's (BTW, the attitude that desert H5's are boring is something I fully reject), it's about transporting the magic of meteorites in your text, telling people more than just I sell a Campo. Give them background information, tell them that Campos tend to rust, but tell them also the history of this find. Tell them how they can take care of their pieces, and why even a stinky Campo is a piece of extraterrestrial matter that is something special. You don't have to exaggerate to sell. You just have to show that you appreciate what you are selling. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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This was an interesting discussion. Please don't push it in a way that makes it become dirty. Thanks, Bernhard PS: I think that Aziz Habibi had some valid points there, regarding the relationship between european and US dealers on the one side and Moroccan middlemen on the other side. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe Gesendet: Freitag, 05. November 2004 00:53 An: aziz habibi Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] RE: Ad ebay meteorites Habibi, What is with all this yack, yack, yack...?? We all know you made plenty good money from the sale of the shergottite Adam and I made a deal with you, but NO, even after agreeing to the price, you got greedy and sent us a switch and bait terrestrial stone and then sold it to Nelson. Be realistic yourself, do not cry to us about these poor nomads. Dollar for dollar, the nomad and Moroccan dealers make more per investment Dirham (Dollar) than we do in U.S. or Europe. We're tired of your wining and game playing. Do you consider the great amount of money it takes AFTER the sale in Morocco to bring these to market? What about the money we spend on terrestrial material in search on planetary? I would say, if one is into this very deep as we are, than even with planetary finds, it is pretty much break even! You continually try to sell to collectors, either through your self or others, material that is not even classified. Are you a legitimate scientist? NO!, you are not. If you wish to sell to collectors, do your customers a favor, be real and quit the B.S., no one plays your game and we are all tired. I am personally tired of your interference here and in Morocco. Best wishes, Greg - Original Message - From: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: RE: AW: [meteorite-list] RE: Ad ebay meteorites hello list hello all let's be realistic and see the problem of nwa meteorite how it look like. in nwa there is nomades looking for meteorite and then middle man buying from them,and then there is usa and europe dealers selling the the world market. when the nomade find a stone he sell it for good price to middle man if the nomade do not konwwhat it is, if not it's expenssive. than the middle man send the sample of the stone for one of his friend dealer who give it to labs, because it's rare that a morrocan middle man send directly to labs. than there is two suposition : the stone is intersting or its comon meteorite, first case== what the dealer in usa do if the stone is planetary or very rare is he going to tel the nwa dealer its good stone i willl give you good price or he is going to say , no its normal stone i willl give you 10$ a gr. the nwa dealer do not know and have an equation segond degree can he believe the usa and europe delears or not 1)if hebeleive them ,theypartner and share the profit this happend rarely and i say extremly rare that a usa or europe dealer share the profit from a planetray or rare meteorite ; in nwa i do not know any rich dealer they are mostly poor and working for the wind. than who win from nwa meteorite , the usa dealers . 2)segond solution for the equation is that the middle man do not belive the dealers who give the stone to a lab, than he give or sell to this dealers a small part of the rare stone and keep the rest untill he see it on the market and know his value.than he say i find more , so easy , than the usa dealers are in trouble because they do not want to pay the stone with real value so the stone goes to other way to other dealers and market like munich and tucson. than the probelm of pairing come out; the usa dealer have to protect there market. but still they are paired stone and the same stone find by the same nomade. to resolve this problem it's easy give the nomade the real price and buy all. if a usa dealer do not want to pay an expenssive price for morrocan or fair price, and one question very clair wich morrocan partner of usa dealer is rich or have ever made a good money from meteorite, what did the nomade work for , to make the the dealers of usa rich and themself stay poor, if any dealer want to have the monopole of nwa meteorite he have to be fair and pay the morrocan good price. i think that over 15 planetary meteorite come out from morroco no one from the morrocan nomade or middle man make any good money from them and the usa dealers has been selling planetary meteorite for thousends of dollars, you will tell me they have work for , yes but didn't the nomade and middle man work for it too, why you do not share and a legale partage of the profit and be fair and than there is no problem. is someone contest what i say , than please tell me who in nwa have ever get a panetary meteorite and
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I disagree, and I will explain why later, but no I have to leave here :-). Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Pelé Pierre-Marie Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. November 2004 08:20 An: MeteoriteList Betreff: [meteorite-list] Ad ebay meteorites To follow Adam's point of view which looks good, why don't we create a catalog of meteorites with official rates (like you can find for stamps or coins) ? For example, for an historical fall like L'Aigle, there would be detailed information on the meteorite, a picture, prices according to the fact the sample is an individual, a slice, a fragment. A kind of mix between Meteorites from A to Z with added information about meteorite prices... Prices of each popular meteorite should be discussed by the whole meteorite community on Meteorite List so that we don't kill the market. Prices would be the average price of all prices indicated for each meteorite. For NWA or Sahara, it's harder as there are many pairings and all pairings are not known but on Sahara or NWA authenticated by the NomCom or a laboratory, the rates could be discussed. I hope everyone follows my thoughts. I'm ready to build such a paper book if everyone (at least every meteorite dealer) works on it ... Pierre-Marie Pele www.meteor-center.com Vous manquez despace pour stocker vos mails ? Yahoo! Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Well, the Big Lebowsky syndrom :-). Or was he one of the fabulous furry freak brothers (anyone still knows them?) Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Dienstag, 02. November 2004 20:50 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Micro Mike found in cave Wow, Thanks for sharing this. It said he dwelled in the cave for four years making me wonder how he maintained a web site and email communications just two years ago. I remember corresponding with him about the life forms he found in the infamous Frass Ranch Martian Meteorite (FRMM). He said he found what looked like a spider but with only seven legs making it less evolved than an earth spider. He retained the right to name it because he was the first to discover it. He named it a Spida since it looked so much like a real terrestrial spider. He even posted awesome pictures of it on his site along with the many other life forms he discovered. He always felt he was on his way to making a monumental discovery but nobody would listen. Maybe this is why he isolated himself in a cave where he could pursue his all important research. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 12:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Micro Mike found in cave Hi All, I noticed that our good friend Micro Mike (of Frass rock fame/infamy) was in the Los Alamos news lately: http://www.lamonitor.com/articles/2004/10/29/headline_news/news03.txt --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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BTW people like you are commonly called Taliban. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Brody Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. November 2004 06:59 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer and his Bush B Gone sale.. Enjoy smoking a turd in the welfare line next to your hero John Kerry. You got what you deserved scumbag. -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Muncih 2004 roundup
Hi list, back from Munich at last. Those of you not having been there: you missed something for sure :-). Not so much because of what was offered there (some nice things, though, like Alis unbelievable new iron or slices of Neuschwanstein), but because of the people meeting there. Although I met most of them for the first time, they became something like friends for me within minutes. Amazing what common interests and a little bit of open-heartedness can do b. I LOVED haggling with the Moroccan dealers (too bad we couldnt have a cup of chai during our battles over the prices *g*), admired Brunos beautiful displays, cured myself with Serges excellent medicine (dont forget to bring it to France as well, Serge), enjoyed Martins Bavarian sense of humor, Christians smile when he found something nice, Carines smile when she dismissed Bruno for the next cigarette, I very much enjoyed the inspring conversations with Anne during our Fliegerbräu-Meeting, had a good time with Marcin when we tried to make a deal after way too many beers, and loved all the moments with all other collectors and dealers during these days. Munich convinced me to attend other fairs next year, and I will certainly be at both French shows in June. Thanks to everyone who made these three days so worthwile for me! Bernhard PS: I will be posting photos later on, but I fear they wont add anything substantial to what has already been posted. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Excellent idea to gather the phone numbers of those going to Munich. Please just append yours: Bernhard Rems (ebay: metcollector): +43/6602112645 (mobile) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Certainly :-)
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von
Christian Anger
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2004 20:44
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hints.
Hi listees, Hi Martin !
All of the meteorite people who will be at the Munich meeting, have
hopefully read this message from Martin.
Now and here, acting for most of us all,
I want to say a big lot of thanks to Martin
for making the whole lot of work with getting us together on friday
evening
on one meeting point and providing all of us with this
extensive information on accommodations, maps and various ways how to
get
there.
I think we will invite him there for a good Weizenbier (or more) for
doing
this for us.
Is anybody else the same opinion ?
I want to read many replies !!!
best regards,
Christian
IMCA #2673
www.austromet.com
Christian Anger
Korngasse 6
2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg
AUSTRIA
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin
Altmann
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] MUNICH - FRIDAY - How to get there hints.
Hello list,
After many hours of trying to customize a plan, how to get to the
meeting at
Friday, I decided, that I'm definetely to stupid for this world. Can't
print
out the maps, as I own only an old blackwhite printer and the results
are
unreadable.
Now I customized 2 plans as pdf-files. If someone could put them online,
perhaps converted to jpegs?
Otherwise I'll email the plans to those, who will join on Friday, if
someone
else has a need for it, gimme a note.
Anyway, we will meet at the show
So on Friday we meet after the show in the Fliegerbräu.
A minute brewery with Bavarian and other food and no umpah music.
It's in the nearby village Feldkirchen. (Were also some of you have
their
hotels).
The address is:
Flieger Bräu
Sonnenstrasse 2
85622 Feldkirchen
http://www.fliegerbraeu.de/
Marked with the red 1 in the plans.
I reserved places from 19:00hrs on (show ends always at 18:00 for
visitors)
and I will be there somewhat earlier.
Until now there are on my list:
Afanasjev friends, Altmann, Andrei, Anger, Black, Classen, Farmer,
Franco,
Gren, Jost+friend, Koeblitz, Marmet, Moser, Rems, Stehlik, Strufe.
The Polish fraction (Cimala, Derecki, Pilski, Mazurek) will join,
depending
on when they'll arrive in Munich).
Vassiliev doesn't know yet.
Ralew is now somewhere to bring new meteorites for us, but I'm sure, he
will
come.
And now I'll ask several others...
So it will be nice.
How to get there:
By car:
I marked the route in plan1 but it dissapears, whenever I try to save
it..wuaah.
There are two possibilities to exit the parking places.
Here a map of the fair areal. Click on the right plan on bottom.
http://www.mineralientage.com/1_MM_start/2_Welcome_E/3_01_E_Besucherserv
ice/
4_01_2_E_Anfahrt/4_01_2_E_Anfahrt.html
If you leave to the North:
Just turn to your right and follow the street. (Paul-Henri-Spaak-Str.)
After ca. 1km you will cross the large highway and after 300m more you
will
enter the village
Feldkirchen (yellow traffic sign).
Carry on. After 1km, on the left there branches off the Sonnenstrasse.
Directly there
we are.
It's directly behind a yellow hotel, called Zur Sonne.
If you leave the parking places to the South:
Just turn to the left, follow the street (De-Gaspari-Bogen), which makes
a
bow. Turn into first possible road to the right, then like above.
By bus:
At the fair exit Messestadt Ost, at the subway station, there is the
bus
station.
Take Bus N° 228 direction Ismaning.
Exit the bus at the third station: Feldkirchen Münchner Straße. (takes
5
minutes).
Cross the street, follow the street, it's the main street of the
village.
The fifth street, to the left, called Sonnenstrasse - shortly after
you'll
have passed a yellow Hotel called Zur Sonne - there you enter the
street
and there we are in the grey brick building.
It's about 500m to walk.
You may exit also the bus one station later, Feldkirchen (6min) -
train
symbol in plan2 - and follow the instruction by S-Bahn (suburban
railway).
As ticket you have to choose from the vending machine: Kurzstrecke.
Costs 1.10 Euro.
If you have a Streifenkarte see below, use one stripe.
The bus leaves every 20 minutes from xx:17 hrs (18:17, 18:37,...)
Last bus leaves at 19:37 hrs.
With S-Bahn (suburban railway)
For those, who want to get back first in their hotels in the city center
to
rest a while after the show, the place is easy reachable by S-Bahn.
Follow the green signs with S.
Choose line number S6 direction Erding.
Exit at station Feldkirchen.
Marked with the railway symbol in plan2.
Just follow the street Sonnenstrasse until its end. Left is
Fliegerbräu,
slightly less than 500m to walk.
Number S6 is leaving every 20 minutes.
From Munich Central Station for example it
AW: [meteorite-list] RE: MUNICH - FRIDAY - How to get there hints.
I'll certainly do :-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von JKGwilliam Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2004 23:35 An: Christian Anger; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: MUNICH - FRIDAY - How to get there hints. Christian et al, If you guys aren't too drunk this weekend, would you mind taking a few pictures and sharing them with those of us who can't attend. Best, JKGwilliam At 12:50 PM 10/21/2004, Christian Anger wrote: Alright Hanno, I think that will end like º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Our good friend Nicholas Gessler contacted me today. It seems that he may be there too ! Remember the lot of fun we had at Ensisheim this year. Also Michel Franco (oriented meteorite-eyes) will be with us. I am looking forward having a big lot of fun on next friday. A dreifoches Hallelujah-Sakrahaxn aufn nextn freitog ! Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RE: MUNICH - FRIDAY - How to get there hints. Hallo List and Christian, yes, you are right. Martin did a very good job that we will have a nice evening. Thanks a lot Martin. I like it to see Martin after everybody of us had spend him a Weizenbier Hope to see you all and many more next week Friday Best regards Hanno Strufe Langenbergstrasse 32 66954 Pirmasens Germany www.strufe.net IMCA #4267 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] MUNICH Friday evening
Not to forget Bernhard :-( -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Oktober 2004 16:48 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] MUNICH Friday evening now it works again Hello folks, as most asked me to find a place preferably close situated to the show, I reserved places in a minute brewery 1mile away for Friday from 7 p.m. on. Just back from testing. They brew a good wheat beer and a black beer too. Ate half a duck in beer sauce, was o.k. How to get there, tomorrow. Coming until now: Andrei, Anger, Black, Classen, Strufe, Köblitz, Stehlik, Marmet, Jost, Moser, Meteorite-Martin,Cimala, Derecki, Mazurek Bernd? Serge? Stefan? Mike? Dean? ??? Skol Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] There are no silly questions? Wait until you have read that :-)
Ok, there are some questions going through my mind concerning meteorites. My knowledge is based on what I have read and heard (not on study), and some things do not fit together for me. 1) HEDs are from Vesta. Fine. All of them? How comes that with 50.000+ known asteroids, all HEDs come from a single one? As far as I know, spectroscopic evidence points to Vesta, yes - but how large is the chance that HEDs do NOT come from Vesta. 2) Meteorites have been ejected towards earth by collisions between asteroids. Fine again. But does this mean that all meteorites result from high speed collisions of asteroids? Isn't there a chance that some have been sent on a trajectory towards earth simply by perturbations and chaos? 3) Carbonaceous chondrites are much older than ordinary chondrites. Ok. Once again: fine. So they must be leftovers from the accretion disk, matter that hasn't formed into larger bodies. So at least they aren't asteroid material, right? 4) Iron meteorites originate from the core of a large and destroyed planetoid. Mhm. How large must this thing have been? Or let me put the question like this: what is the minimum size for a body to be able to create a metal core? And are those main belt asteroids the remnants of the planetary crust of this planetoid? Furthermore - there must have been at least two bodies of that size (because planetoids do not explode, they have to collide to eject core material into the solar system. Is this assumption right or wrong? 5) Pallasites How did the olivine get into the nickel/iron? 6) Seymchan From pictures I have seen on the net, There are pieces of Seymchan which are just iron, some with very sparse olivine inclusions and some with lots of olivine. How can it be that such a variety of compositions can be within one fall? Is the Seymchan iron in the Seymchan iron meteorites the same iron as in the pallasites? Now, kind fellow collectors, please help me :-) Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Re: the MUNICH checkpoint
I would suggest a place without umpah-music, where we can talk :-) Bernhard (der umpah-music absolut nicht gern hat) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Montag, 18. Oktober 2004 20:21 An: Christian Anger; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] Re: the MUNICH checkpoint Yes, please? I'll take a look in some days. I'm so broke, that I'll be able only to test two other places - or anyone, who wants to by a meteorite? My paypal address for donations for dinner tests is Anyway, as it should be located in the very city center, there is no big choice. Many rip-off places, no good beer. Unfortunately there is no other place than Hofbraeuhaus with umpah-music, it's a kind of spooky place for japaneese tourists, which travel to Germany having in mind Heine, Goethe, Beethoven, Wagner, Ludwig II. and then they are brought there to see the Australians drinking beer. Beer is good. From the beers brewed in Munich Augustiner and Hofbraeu are the best. Spaten, Hacker-Pschorr, Loewenbraeu are more for the export. Food is very bad in Hofbraeuhaus. But Dean Mike are looking like they would eat everything and we will be in Munich because we love stones and beer. Problem, reservation in Hofbraeuhaus is possible only in some separate rooms, where you can't hear the umpah-music, which is playing in the main hall, called Schwemme. don't know the translation at the moment, has the same etymology as to swim. Beer causes you to visit the restrooms frequently and in former times the male guests fear to loose their places on the tables. So they let it poor along their canes onto the floor. Meanwhile we have electricity, democracy and are living in houses. Second possibility, the Augustiner also in the central pedestial zone. Good beer, better food, no umpah music. Third is one also very centrally situated. Good beer, good food, no umpah. But crowned by an independed testing agency to have the best roasted knuckles of porc. The results of the porc-knuckle-test you'll find here: http://www.haxentest.de/ Anyway, Hofbraeuhaus is fun. Eat before, than it's cheaper and better. All tourists like it and you don't have to visit the dependance in Vegas anymore. Skol Martin - Original Message - From: Christian Anger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: the MUNICH checkpoint Dear members, this means especially Annie Black, Dean Bessey, Mike Farmer, etc...(the overseas meteorite freaks ;)) as well as all other members who read this message and will be at the Munich show : As there was Dean's idea to party in Munich (maybe Hofbräuhaus). We (Hanno Strufe and me) suggest following: We all will have a checkpoint on friday 29th October at 12:00 hr in the front of Eric Haiderer's table, which is located in hall A4 table number 519. There we will meet all together at once and then we will decide what we do in the evening in Munich. I think Martin Altmann will have good advices where good places are in Munich and maybe he will help us getting a reservation or with the way how to get it. Martin This is an opportunity for most of us meteorite people, to meet many listees in person. Many already know each other, but there are for sure many names that will have a face then. So all who will be there, we are looking forward to meet you again or meet you for the first time in person. All the best from the Austrian-German-Connection ;) Christian and Hanno IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Re:Tagounite L3
The Hupes were selling Tag 019 last year, and they still sell some. I got two nice small part slices from them. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von John Sinclair Gesendet: Montag, 18. Oktober 2004 20:08 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] Re:Tagounite L3 Hello List, I bought Tagounite 019 in 1999 from the French finders. I was told it was one of several meteorites found in the Tagounite area of Morocco. Several years ago I had extra large surface thin sections made. I have 2 remaining. See this meteorite thin section with many well defined chondrules at: http://www.meteoriteusa.com/talbachat.htm Talbachat n'ait Isfoul Found April 1999 Morocco LL 3.7 45° 30' 30 N 12° 18' 30 E Best to all, John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] PARTY IN MUNICH??????????
Of course :-). Who would go to Munich without getting soaked in beer? My plans are as follows: I will arrive in Munich on Thursday afternoon, and I will stay there until the end of the show on Sunday. So Friday evening, I think, would be an excellent day to get struck by a beer-meteorite :-). Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von dean bessey Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Oktober 2004 22:00 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] PARTY IN MUNICH?? Who is going to munich? I will be there thursday and will leave on sunday with a stopover monday night in Amsterdam. I cant stay accross the pond longer than that because I have 1500 ebay auctions to babysit. We are thinking friday night is a good night to get together for festivities (Apparantly somebody in Germany once made beer so beer supposedly might possibly be available in Munich if we get lucky). Does anybody have any ideas on where to go? We can go to a restaurant or maybe one of the munich beer halls (Historic Hafbraehaus is near the touristy area around the train station and is on the subway route from the show and has good food and awesome pretzals. There a easyeverything internet spot near there also). Everybody who is going should get together one night anyway. Cheers DEAN ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] PARTY IN MUNICH??????????
I booked at the Ibis Muenchen Messe - it was by far the cheapest hotel close to the fair (close means app. 2.5km). The price for a single is app. 55 ($62) a night. Everything else around the fair was $150 upwards. If you are interested (and others as well, here's the URL to the hotel: http://www.ibishotel.com/ibis/index.html Don't know if they still have rooms available, but try. Bernhard -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Meteoryt.net Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Oktober 2004 23:41 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] PARTY IN MUNICH?? Hi Someone can tell me any best place to stay (motel/hotel) and not too expensive. I heard that Munich is the most expensive city in Germany :)) I plan arrive on Friday evening to Munich. CU all here -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Which one came closest?
Well, the one that came closest to me was whistling by my face when I was stargazing with my telescope. But this one was never found. Not by me nor by others. Must have been 50cm by the sound of it :-). Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Göran Axelsson Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Oktober 2004 21:42 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Which one came closest? One hour drive to the north (95 km) lies Hökmark. Two pieces of an L4 chondrite were found in 1954, 78.3g and 104.3g. I haven't spoken with the guy that found it but rumour has it that he is still living in the area. And not to forget the Eliastorp yet to be found at 80km northwest from here. I will never give up There is a map over Swedish finds and falls at http://www.nrm.se/mi/svemet.html.se Where it is quite obvious that there is a good correlation between population and meteorite density. They have to feel alone after so long time in space. Muonionalusta have four numbers but it's the same meteorite, only four individuals found during the last 100 years. 13 modern and two fossile meteorites so far. /Göran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, Since the List is very quiet tonight.. I was chatting with an ex-List member earlier today about the newest Colorado meteorite, probably an eucrite. And I noticed that the meteorite that fell (was found) closest to where I am from is also an eucrite: Bouvante. Do you know which meteorite came closest to your backyard? Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356, www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Maybe time to move on....
Sure, now we let the nice people be scared away. Stay, for god's sake. You don't leave Alabama because of the frogs, do you? So, I think that I may have to leave both the Metlist and the IMCA as I am not too sure I wish to be associated with people who appear to stick the knife in at the fist available opportunity. Client: You know, Bernhard, I think deep in your heart you are like me. Bernhard: How dare you to call me an asshole!?! :-) Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Harris Gesendet: Montag, 04. Oktober 2004 17:58 An: metlist Betreff: [meteorite-list] Maybe time to move on Hi folks, I seem to have got a few people such as 'Mauro' and others upset as I have been using the Metlist (and others) to promote private sales. To be honest I am generally a bit unhappy with this inclination to turn on anyone at the drop of a hat. I am fully aware that I am not the greatest contributor to the list - I only have questions and not many answers as there are so many experts on the list and I am aware also that I do use the list to promote sales, which I also know a lot of people probably do not like, but the massive majority, instead of having a personal pop at me just delete the emails. So, I think that I may have to leave both the Metlist and the IMCA as I am not too sure I wish to be associated with people who appear to stick the knife in at the fist available opportunity. I am perhaps being a little oversensitive, but I am going thru a tricky time of life, no job and no money whilst having a lot of responsibility. I do not like having to defend myself to people I have always regarded as friends After some of the bitchfests I have seen on the list, I am surprised at the vehemence of the attacks I have been getting just because I elected to advertise a piece of rock that cost me over £1000 and understandably wish to make a return on it. When certain individuals on this list are expelled or calmed down to the point that I can respect their opinions then I might rejoin. But until then I think I am going to lurk for a couple of days then leave and also remove my IMCA registration. I was hoping I would never have to write this email, but some of you have really crushed my passion for space rocks and my thirst for knowledge. I do thank those wonderful people, however, who have been so good to me with feeding my head with sound advice. Next week Mark Ford and I are donating some very substantial specimens to Sir Patrick Moore at his astronomy club (complete with the press there) and that will make me happy to give some of my hard earned rocks away. I hope that they will go some way to educating some people into the wonders of this subject, and hopefully they will not be experiencing the barbs and arrows I have had to endure. best to all of you who I care about (which is most of you!) dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Maybe time to move on....
You have this constellation in each and every hobby where people come together. 1) The oldtimers that look down on newcomers and think the newcomers are something like ape is to men. 2) The oldtimers that love newcomers because they allow them to share the love for their hobby. They think newcomers are like children - not easy to handle but the future. 3) The psychos. They are in the hobby because that's the only place where they think they can get some awareness. They treat everyone like if they were that pile of shit they are themselves. 4) The newcomers that know everything better. They do not see that merits have to be earned. They sooner or later turn into 3) (if they lack intelligence) or 1) (if they lack a heart) 5) The newcomers that love oldtimers, because they can learn from them. They can only become 2) after some years, never 1) or 3) (pardon, they CAN become 1) or 3) if their girlfriend decides to leave them because of their hobby). There are many subkinds of hobbyists, but these 5 breeds cover app. 90% of them :-) Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tom AKA James Knudson Gesendet: Montag, 04. Oktober 2004 18:37 An: Dave Harris; metlist Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Maybe time to move on Hey Dave, I know how you feel! I love meteorites, but I do not feel like I am a welcomed part of the meteorite community. There are some great people out there, but there is a lot of people that seem to want to keep the hobby to themselves. I have lost a lot of my collecting passion too. It seems strange, the people that rely on meteorite sales for a living would push people out of collecting. I stay on the list because of the great people on here. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm - Original Message - From: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: metlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Maybe time to move on Hi folks, I seem to have got a few people such as 'Mauro' and others upset as I have been using the Metlist (and others) to promote private sales. To be honest I am generally a bit unhappy with this inclination to turn on anyone at the drop of a hat. I am fully aware that I am not the greatest contributor to the list - I only have questions and not many answers as there are so many experts on the list and I am aware also that I do use the list to promote sales, which I also know a lot of people probably do not like, but the massive majority, instead of having a personal pop at me just delete the emails. So, I think that I may have to leave both the Metlist and the IMCA as I am not too sure I wish to be associated with people who appear to stick the knife in at the fist available opportunity. I am perhaps being a little oversensitive, but I am going thru a tricky time of life, no job and no money whilst having a lot of responsibility. I do not like having to defend myself to people I have always regarded as friends After some of the bitchfests I have seen on the list, I am surprised at the vehemence of the attacks I have been getting just because I elected to advertise a piece of rock that cost me over £1000 and understandably wish to make a return on it. When certain individuals on this list are expelled or calmed down to the point that I can respect their opinions then I might rejoin. But until then I think I am going to lurk for a couple of days then leave and also remove my IMCA registration. I was hoping I would never have to write this email, but some of you have really crushed my passion for space rocks and my thirst for knowledge. I do thank those wonderful people, however, who have been so good to me with feeding my head with sound advice. Next week Mark Ford and I are donating some very substantial specimens to Sir Patrick Moore at his astronomy club (complete with the press there) and that will make me happy to give some of my hard earned rocks away. I hope that they will go some way to educating some people into the wonders of this subject, and hopefully they will not be experiencing the barbs and arrows I have had to endure. best to all of you who I care about (which is most of you!) dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AW: [ I.M.C.A. ] A Odessa slice?
And while we are at it, Mr. Policeman: Your ebay auction 2273351804. Avers is nowhere close to F. Revers is nowhere close to VF. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: M come Meteorite Meteorites [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 05. Oktober 2004 06:54 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [ I.M.C.A. ] A Odessa slice? Hello http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2274902 360rd=1 many strange for a Odessa slice... Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ - Scopri Mister Yahoo! - il fantatorneo sul calcio di Yahoo! Sport' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/1.XolB/TM ~- The International Meteorite Collectors Association Official Mailing List Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteoritecollectorsassociation/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
