[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 43
Why, yes, John, as of today I _do_ live off my wife's earnings. How did you know? :) And as for NASA selling Apollo Mission collected specimens if they could get $5 million per gram for them... I'm afraid you lose. Even if they would fetch $1 billion per gram, NASA _cannot_ sell them by law. Price isn't an issue in that regard. They are property of the U.S. Government (i.e. all of us who are U.S. citizens). I'll mark my calendar today. One year from now, after I know what my eBay auctions bring in over the next 12 months, I'll send you my mailing address so you can mail my check. :) - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ You're not going crazy. You're going sane in a crazy world! -The Tick Bob, You said: I'll bet you my next year's personal earnings that it will fetch FAR more than a measly $5 million. I say: Don't tell me...you don't work and live off your partner's earnings? First off I did not say the raisin rock from Malta was a meteorite...I was just comparing the price of moon rock, regardless of where it was picked up. Assuming a raisin sized moon rock weighed a gram...the $5 million/gram versus $1,000/gram is 5000 times more costly. I'd bet you your next year's earnings that NASA would be on ebay selling moon rocks if they could get $5,000,000/g for it. Joking John, Reading, PA John, It is not a lunar METEORITE that was stolen. You mean to tell me that you sell material from the Apollo 17 Moon Mission for $1,000 per gram??? Hell, **I'LL** buy all of that you can get your hands on, provided you can provide free and clear title, documentation, and provenance for the specimens. It is a priceless piece of U.S. (indeed, HUMAN) history. A piece of the Moon as large as a raisin brought back by the Apollo 17 crew valued at _only_ $5 million? If such a thing is ever legally sold, I'll bet you my next year's personal earnings that it will fetch FAR more than a measly $5 million. Yes, John, I know you're joking, but I couldn't let that pass. $1,000 per gram indeed! :/ - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ You're not going crazy. You're going sane in a crazy world! -The Tick $5 million in US dollars for a raisin size moon rock? That seems a bit inflated...even for a piece picked up on the moon. Otherwise we have had some pretty good deals lately for less than a $1,000/g. Maybe I need to buy some more? John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:44:05 -0400 From: MarkF [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Moon Rock Stolen in Malta To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteor list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi All get ot, but the rumor was that NASA was on ebay, buying all the xt chips they could..something about hardened chips and thats what most of the onboard puters ran on...paid good money I heard too...anyone know if this was true? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Martino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Moon Rock Stolen in Malta Bob, You said: I'll bet you my next year's personal earnings that it will fetch FAR more than a measly $5 million. I say: Don't tell me...you don't work and live off your partner's earnings? First off I did not say the raisin rock from Malta was a meteorite...I was just comparing the price of moon rock, regardless of where it was picked up. Assuming a raisin sized moon rock weighed a gram...the $5 million/gram versus $1,000/gram is 5000 times more costly. I'd bet you your next year's earnings that NASA would be on ebay selling moon rocks if they could get $5,000,000/g for it. Joking John, Reading, PA John, It is not a lunar METEORITE that was stolen. You mean to tell me that you sell material from the Apollo 17 Moon Mission for $1,000 per gram??? Hell, **I'LL** buy all of that you can get your hands on, provided you can provide free and clear title, documentation, and provenance for the specimens. It is a priceless piece of U.S. (indeed, HUMAN) history. A piece of the Moon as large as a raisin brought back by the Apollo 17 crew valued at _only_ $5 million? If such a thing is ever legally sold, I'll bet you my next year's personal earnings that it will fetch FAR more than a measly $5 million. Yes, John, I know you're joking, but I couldn't let that pass. $1,000 per gram indeed! :/ - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ You're not going crazy. You're going sane in a crazy world
[meteorite-list] Re: Moon Rock Stolen in Malta
John, It is not a lunar METEORITE that was stolen. You mean to tell me that you sell material from the Apollo 17 Moon Mission for $1,000 per gram??? Hell, **I'LL** buy all of that you can get your hands on, provided you can provide free and clear title, documentation, and provenance for the specimens. It is a priceless piece of U.S. (indeed, HUMAN) history. A piece of the Moon as large as a raisin brought back by the Apollo 17 crew valued at _only_ $5 million? If such a thing is ever legally sold, I'll bet you my next year's personal earnings that it will fetch FAR more than a measly $5 million. Yes, John, I know you're joking, but I couldn't let that pass. $1,000 per gram indeed! :/ - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ You're not going crazy. You're going sane in a crazy world! -The Tick $5 million in US dollars for a raisin size moon rock? That seems a bit inflated...even for a piece picked up on the moon. Otherwise we have had some pretty good deals lately for less than a $1,000/g. Maybe I need to buy some more? John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan
...as opposed to the conservatives, who ALWAYS give careful, thoughtful, uncritical evaluations of the things that liberals propose without regard to politics. - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ You're not going crazy. You're going sane in a crazy world! -The Tick Typical partisan crap.no matter what the President would have proposed, the angry liberals would have found something to complain about.yada...yada...yada.yawn. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Who is entropydave?
All, I'm looking at an auction on eBay from seller entropydave. Does anyone know who this guy is? He has an IMCA number, but we all know that doesn't always mean a lot... :) Can anyone here vouch for him? Please reply off list. Thanks! - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ You're not going crazy. You're going sane in a crazy world! -The Tick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] entropydave's Secret Identity
All, Thanks to all who responded to my query about entropydave. I got many responses, all of them very positive. I can now, as they say, bid with confidence. ..Isn't this a great list when we aren't all getting snippy? :) - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ You're not going crazy. You're going sane in a crazy world! -The Tick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Lost Items at Auction !!!
All is well. My camera and book were recovered by messieurs Hupe. Mr. Blood contacted the Hupes who then called me from the Tucson airport today. They were waiting on a flight out, and a quick drive to the airport reunited me with my lost property. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN! Actually, I was not really worried that the items would remain lost forever. At any other gathering, maybe, but not with the rocks-from-space-in-their-heads bunch that I've come to personally know over the last year and a half. What a great group. - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Bob Martino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 00:52:02 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lost Items at Auction !!! All, I just realized that after Michael Blood's auction tonight I left a digital camera and my signed copy of the Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites (without a cover) sitting on a chair at the VFW hall. Apparently my excitement over my new lunar specimen caused a Brain Cramp. The camera was my Christmas present from my wife. Can someone please tell me that these things were found and are safely waiting for me to claim them? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lost Items at Auction !!!
All, I just realized that after Michael Blood's auction tonight I left a digital camera and my signed copy of the Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites (without a cover) sitting on a chair at the VFW hall. Apparently my excitement over my new lunar specimen caused a Brain Cramp. The camera was my Christmas present from my wife. Can someone please tell me that these things were found and are safely waiting for me to claim them? My home phone number is (520) 219-3725, although it's difficult to reach me here. My work number is (520) 882-8884. THANK YOU in advance!!! - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Cutting Meteorites
CharlyV points out that one should always use a dust mask when cutting meteorites. Great. As if my life wasn't complicated enough, now my hobby has a new hazard associated with it: Chondrite Lung Disease - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Cutting Meteorites This response got lost somehow. re-posted here, likely an attachment in thread exceeded text size limit.. The Dremmel diamond blades are nice, but don't use them on irons or even H chondrites. They just cannot take the punishment and your $15 or $20 goes up in smoke in a few small slices. (even with lube). Believe that the #420 cutoff wheels (tungsten carbide with quartz) used with paraffin work better. Try it yourself. You also get 20 for about $4.00, good for a lot of cuts, and remember to use that candle. (oh. and eye protection and a silk scarf over your nose/mouth or one of those cheap construction dust masks.) CharlyV __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteor Crater Stock
Rob, If I buy this stock certificate, does that mean I'll be a part owner in the company? I've always wanted to own Meteor Crater! ...And I'll be able to go prospecting too! Hey! You can't kick me off the property! See? I'm a part owner! :) - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . Hello all- I have located a rarer-than-hens-teeth Meteor Crater Exploration and Mining Company stock certificate that will be held in a live auction in Reno on December 13. It is one of the blue preferred stock certificates signed by Brandon Barringer, Daniel's son. I have one myself already and just thought I would pass on the info, won't be bidding. It is lot number 149 and I am pretty sure you could set up an absentee bid or a telephone bid (really) with the owner of the company Fred Holabird at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 775-852-8822. It is in very fine condition but does have two holes punched in it as if it was once in a portfolio. I know when I was hunting them down, it took years to come across them and I haven't seen a single one since April 2001. I know one individual sells them in his catalog for over $700 and I think you could do better. The auction catalog shows a $400-600 est. value. Keep in mind a 15% buyers premium is added. A link to the history of the crater, including this failed mining attempt http://www.barringercrater.com/lite/impact/impact.htm Rocks From Space has a nice excerpt as well. They really cap off one's Canyon Diablo presentation. Good luck Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Chicxulub Meteorite?
Steve (or anyone else), So who _is_ the source here? mi-meteorites doesn't have an about me page. He was recently selling tiny pieces of Ensisheim with very similar packaging. i.e. a micromount attached to a brass plaque. The Ensisheim plaque was a reproduction of the famous woodcut. Is this the Mr. Farrell who is referred to in the Stop Thief! thread? I'd certainly like to know, because I was going to bid on one of the Ensisheim plaques next time it came up. If it is Mr. Farrell who is offering it, then NO WAY! - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . humm.. I recall, a few years ago, that there was an article in Scientific American, or was it Science... which one I cannot remember... but the gist of it was that fragments of this impactor were found in drilling samples taken from the ocean bottom. What was significant about the correlation was that the samples were taken from sediments at a point that corresponded to a 65 million year point on the ever moving ocean bottom plate. The depth below the surface of the ocean was about 15,000 feet and the sample was further drilled from the sediment and recognized in the iridium deposit that is closely associated with the extinction event. All of this said, the two very small samples were certainly identified... not as iron but a carbonaceous meteorite. And I imagine that these two tiny samples that were found were acquired at great cost. So... that sheds some doubt on the validity the claims in this auction. All I can say is... Know the source. Steve Schoner/ams Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this true? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2200658634 Regards, Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Green Glow Over North Carolina Could Have Been Meteor Shower
Sorry, but this isn't correct. One can indeed see meteors from a shower when the radiant is below the horizon. Meteors do not cluster at the radiant point, but rather appear all over the sky. - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . From: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:04:50 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Green Glow Over North Carolina Could Have Been Meteor Shower Orionids at 8:45 pm??? No way! The radiant is far below the horizon then. This was either a sporadic, or perhaps a Taurid fireball. In the latter case, this would be a piece of debris from comet Encke, not Halley. Marco Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) -- Dr Marco Langbroek Leiden, the Netherlands 52.15896 N, 4.48884 E (WGS 84) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Student Recorded Meteors A Week Before India Fireball
Is it just me, or are there SERIOUS problems with this article? And you all thought that WESTERN reporters couldn't get facts straight! - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Student Recorded Meteors A Week Before India Fireball http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_406490,000600010004.htm City student recorded meteors a week before Orissa incident Press Trust of India October 7, 2003 Mumbia - A city based amateur astronomer had observed and photographed a huge fire ball-- the meteorites of the same origin as those hit Orissa villages on the evening of September 27, from suburban Mulund in south Mumbai, exactly a week before. Rahul Patil, who also made an important observation that the meteor shower was associated with Aquarid (originated from the constellation Aquarius) meteor shower, had sent the observations to Nehru Planetarium in Mumbai and the International Meteor Organisation, Germany. Confirming the claim, Solar Astronomer of Nehru Planetarium and Vice-President of Mumbai Amateur Astronomer's Association, Bharat Adur said Strangely, no planetaria and none of the leading institutes doing research in astronomy in the country were found to be studying this meteor shower. Patil said the cosmic shower was not yet over as there were 534 near-earth meteors in the sky currently, of which 30 asteroids were passing very close to earth from September 11 to November 16, 2003. Another strike is expected anytime but where and when depends on the keen observers, he told PTI. They are going to be very close to the earth to the tune of 0.0228 Astronomical Units (one AU= 150 km), the distance less than that of moon from the earth, Patil said. Patil said that on September 19, a week before the actual strike in Orissa, he had observed one of the bolide (exploding) meteor moving from south to west at 8.20 pm and a second one moving from southeast to west at 8.47 pm. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Wales Meteor
I doubt that any fish would EAT it, but a few million years from now somebody may dig up a fossilized meteorite from a layer of limestone with a smushed fish underneath it. :) - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just spoke with Rob Elliott, and we looked at the photos and realized one sickening fact. The fireball is headed towards the setting sun, which leads directly into the Atlantic Ocean from Wales. Anther fantastic meteorite lies at the bottom of the ocean. I wonder if fish eat any of them as they sink throgh the water? Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Tiny Temeperature Humidity Meters (mark ford)
Mark, I just bought a humidity sensor last weekend. I got it at a PetSmart. It is intended for enclosures holding reptiles and/or hermit crabs which do best at a certain high humidity. It's round and about 1.5 inches across. There was also a temperature sensor (thermometer) of similar style. Of course, it only cost a couple of dollars, so I'm not too sure about its accuracy... I'm only using mine for a couple of $8 hermit crabs, not several pieces of meteorite worth God knows how much. :) - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Great Meteorite Collections
All, I am looking for information on exceptional, world-class meteorite collections in the U.S. that are WEST of the Mississippi. I know of course about the American Museum of Natural History and the Field Museum, but what about in the western states? I am more interested in Public collections, although information on private collections would also be helpful. - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Serious question?
Steven, So you're saying that we can have oxidation without oxygen? Sounds like an oxymoron to me. :) - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . At 08:10 PM 9/17/2003 -0400, Charles R. Viau wrote: Oxidation - Definition - Combining a substance with oxygen. Strictly speaking oxidation is the loss of electrons. The electrons need somewhere to go so something is going to gain electrons and that is the reduction part. So to undergo oxidation, something has to be reduced - usually it's oxygen that accepts the wayward electrons but it doesn't always have to be so. For example: Ba + F2 - BaF2 is an oxidation-reduction reaction that doesn't involve oxygen. Here F is the oxydizing agent. Steven __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: New Asteroid Threat Seen (Asteroid 2003 QQ47)
No, no, no, no, no. Sorry, Pekka, but I must stand up now for my OTHER fraternal group, the Astronomical Community. It is not true that astronomers said an asteroid WOULD hit earth in the next ten years. They said that it MAY hit earth. A very big difference and not a subtle one either. Yet the press and the general public seems to be unable to grasp the difference. This is nothing AT ALL like a hoax! It is the simple presentation of facts to a public that has trouble reading an English sentence and extracting the plain, simple meaning. Every few years we see another Killer Asteroid story in the press. Each and every time a reputable astronomer said what was EXACTLY THE TRUTH, only to be misquoted and distorted by the media. I remember a particular instance that was perhaps 3 or 4 years ago. The orbital data indicated that in a few years the asteroid would pass particularly close to Earth. In fact, the uncertainty of the measurements to date placed Earth within the possible orbital path (i.e. collision was POSSIBLE). The press went nuts. Very soon thereafter, additional data was uncovered because the asteroid in question had been inadvertently imaged about 10 years earlier. With this additional data point the uncertainty of the orbit shrank and there was shown to be no possibility of collision. The astronomer was VILIFIED in the press for crying wolf, even though he had done no such thing. (It was the PRESS that cried wolf, but of course they wouldn't vilify themselves, would they?) What the astronomer did was exactly the correct thing to do. He published his PRELIMINARY results, and asked for more data. When more data became available, he re-worked the calculations and published updated orbital elements with more precise error bars. For this he was raked over the coals by newspaper reporters who wouldn't know an asteroid from their own. well, you get the idea. As former Assistant Director of a semi-public observatory, I have had a great deal of experience in dealing with the little brush fires created when a scientifically illiterate press tells astronomical stories to an even more scientifically illiterate general public. (No, sorry, Mars WILL NOT appear as big as the full Moon tonight !!) In fact, every time I read a story in the press about a subject that I know something about (Physics, Astronomy, Mathematics, Meteoritics) 80% of the time I find glaring factual errors. Which makes me very careful when I read a story about what's happening in places like Iraq... - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . Message: 7 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:23:43 +0300 From: Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Asteroid Threat Seen (Asteroid 2003 QQ47) Hello, all, well, I have my own opinions about the british astronomers. Not an year ago they told, and asteroid will hit earth in next 10 years. At least one TV-channell here was ignorant enough to publish this. It´s not very nice to try to explain to your 8-years, that it´s just a hoax. NASA made a correction to aslo this next day. It´s sure, the press and the news (particulary british) will publish everything, if astro-somebody is willing to paint some global catastrophes. Think this is more serious problem than all hoaxes with meteorites and geo-somethings from the local high schools. So NASA and also others have a lot to do... So great work, Ron, thank you for that. take care, pekka __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Shows
All, Totally off-topic, but I cannot resist a shameless plug. I am giving a talk at Flandrau Planetarium in Tucson, AZ for the limited weeks of the Mars Opposition. It runs every Saturday night at 8:30 PM from last week until September 27th. There will be special sessions on the night of August 27th and 28th as well. Since I will be in Denver for the show, no talk will take place on Saturday the 13th of September. The title is The Myth, Madness, and Mystery of Mars. It opens with a song from the musical version of the War of the Worlds choreographed to slides and special effects in the planetarium. If I may say so myself, it is wicked cool. If you live in the Tucson area, please come check it out. - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite-list digest, Vol 1 #1833 - 23 msgs
Mike, You should have posted this request earlier! Until about 1 year ago, I lived in Columbus. I now live in Tucson. Until my move, I was Assistant Director of Perkins Observatory. http://www.perkins-observatory.org/ This is a great astronomy education site and it hosts meetings of the Columbus Astronomical Society http://www.the-cas.org/ on the second Saturday of each month. Many members also collect meteorites. The gift shop (that I opened a few years back) even sells a few. This observatory is open to the public and always worth a stop on a Friday or Saturday night (this is true for anyone on the list just passing through Ohio). One would think that COSI (the 800-Pound Gorilla of science centers, located in Columbus) would have a decent collection of meteorites on exhibit, but they don't. Perkins has a few. The Orton Geological Museum at the OSU campus also has a few. There is a mineral show every spring (around April 1st) at Vets Memorial which I used to shop for deals on meteorites. That was before my first Tucson Show, of course, where I learned what a true deal on a meteorite was! :) - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:19:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List Question Hello Everyone- I have been collecting and a member of this list now for a couple years plus some. I rarely type as I am more of a reader and a learner from all of the good information and fun stories offered. I would like to ask something (and if anyone has a site dedicated that would cover this please tell me) but is there anyone in the Central Ohio area that would like to get together and maybe review/trade/sell/swap stories of any their meteorite collections? I live about 20 miles SE of Columbus (Baltimore) and also have ties to the Akron/Canton area in NE Ohio. This is not exactly Phoenix or Tucson (I'm in the middle of corn and soy bean fields- but in many ways this is great! I wouldn't trade it!). Still searching and remembering that Harvey Nininger did not spend allot of time in Ohio- (thats good!). Would also be interested in any dealers or good mineral (w/meteorites) shows happening in the Ohio area. Thank You very much. I hope I did not abuse the list. Please contact me off list if any of you are close and interested. Take care, Mike Groetz __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Fwd: Lunar Rock Price
Mohamed, It's worth 10-20 years in a Federal Penitentiary. This offer is good for your friend, the person from NASA, and the hypothetical buyer. You, on the other hand, could expect 20-50% of this as a commission since you're helping facilitate the crime. - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . Message: 14 From: M Yousef [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:40:50 + Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lunar Rock Price Dear All; I wonder if you can answer this question on my behalf! Regards Mohamed H. Yousef -- Is it possible to sell a piece of Apollo 11 moon rock? The rock was given as a gift from NASA to someone I know, about 20 years ago. He is just curious to know how much is it worth. It is a bout 20 gr, and it looks exactly similar to this one here: http://cass.jsc.nasa.gov/expmoon/Apollo11/A11_MP.SampleDoc2FS.gif thanks a lot _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: eBay sellers/buyers guide (to date)
Curses! CURSES!!! I was SURE that my eBay user name, Zubenelgenubi, would be the last on the list! Alas! zonule has taken my coveted spot! THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! Gary Hansen, whoever you are, PREPARE TO DIE!!! :) - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . As of June 2003compiled by Michael Blood: (SOME of this info is likely out of date at this time) a.chondrite..AZ..Marvin Killgore airsheepHawaii...Tracy Latimer AMUNRE .Canada.www.meteoriteshop.com..Dean Bessey anorthosite.Indiana...Steve Witt [EMAIL PROTECTED]..Fla..Ray J.Dobos beeblemarvinCA.Rob Matson bobholmes..AZ.Bob Homes bobk9.Minn.Bob King bolide*chaser...CA. Robert Verish buceophoto...AZJohn Hwilliam branchmeteorites...Walter Branch cagasman...CA.Frank Cressy camel-3..Victoria,Australia...Norbert F. Kammel caspercoin.com..New York...Michael Casper [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..Co.Ginger Mayfield cob1212.Ontario,CanColin Broughton cosmicvisitors..Ky.Brad Sampson crusty-iron.GermanyDetlev Doerries cyberhoundBrice D. Hornback dag262..GA...Ari Machiz damagicCA...Richard Rumble david.hardy.GA...David Hardy dbomke..IlDennis Bomke DVHZ..[EMAIL PROTECTED].Grmny..Hanno Strufe 011 +49 6331 225105 dweir...Fla.David Weir easytim...St. Louis...Tim Heitz enchanted-treasures.NM...Robert Beauford eofish..Utah,USA..Ton Lindgren esquell.Ontario, Canada.David Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]..Mike Farmer fernleameteorites...[EMAIL PROTECTED]..Rob Elliott 011-44-1592-751563 Finmet USSR. Ivan Koutyrev futureman2000AZ...Alex Crutchfield gangwise.comIl.Steven L. Sachs Herman-75..610-779-0224.John Divelbiss [EMAIL PROTECTED]OR..Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED]...Co.Anne Black indy1996Indiana.Dave Schultz IVLIANVSSwitzerland.Julien Couirtois jnbran..Il..217-832-4505.Jason Philips [EMAIL PROTECTED]...MD..John Menas [EMAIL PROTECTED]...CO...Juris Breikss [EMAIL PROTECTED]AZ...Eric Olson Klattu1...Main...Edward Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]IL.Sterling Webb ks1uConn...George Blahun kayunwar..[EMAIL PROTECTED]..France..Michael Franco Klattu1.Maine..Edward Moore ks1uConnecticut.George Blahun Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] NY..Jake Delgaudio mcdkan..New York..Carl Kanoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]...Italy..Matteo Chinellato meteoritebroker.com.ArkansasSteve Arnold meteoritehuntersMike Farmer meteoritemanNY/...Allan Lang [EMAIL PROTECTED]...CA..Mike Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]Ca...Michael J. Masse mjwy..Wyoming307-382-3253..David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] .CA.Michael Blood (619) 286-4837 MMGWTWPennDave Pensenstadler morganm.Co.Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]..NJ...Mark Leger MMGWTW..Penn...Dave Pensenstadler MstrEmanPenn Elton Jones Nakhladog[EMAIL PROTECTED] OR...Rob Wesel Orchidiot..[EMAIL PROTECTED]..Lars Pedersen peregrineflier..Kingman, AZ...Tom Knudson pibburnsIl...Philip R.Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED].Amsterdam, NL.Piper Hollier posthuman.CANicholas Gessler rageman..CA.Greg Frazier Rhett342
[meteorite-list] Smallville
All, Since someone already mentioned Smallville... I love the show (except for the girl chosen to play Lana Lang - ugh.) and watch it with my wife every week. But every time they talk about the kryptonite, they call the fragments meteor rocks. And every single time, without fail, I yell at the television, METEORITES! I've also taken to snorting any meteorite dust I come across, just in case it wants to mutate my DNA and give me super powers (which I swear I would use for GOOD and not EVIL). - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Jesus
Ohhh I don't care if it rains or freezes, 'long as I got my meteorite Jesus sittin' on the dashboard of my car! It don't matter what you all say knowin' that He came from eBay Meteorite Jesus, He's my shining star! I don't care what may be happenin' 'long as I see dat Widmanstatten pattern on da face of my Dear Lord! I can roam throughout the long night with my Holy little chondrite Meteorite Jesus, He's my shield and sword! And, just for atmosphere, visit: http://www.angelfire.com/id/hern/ Sorry, I couldn't resist. :) - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . From: Steve Witt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite on Saturday Night Live To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve,List, Back a few years ago there was a guy that had a Canyon Diablo (I think), had been tooled into an image of Jesus. It was on Yahoo Auctions at something like $100,000.00. He ran it for months and months and never got a bid. It may well still be available I haven't checked Yahoo auctions in a while. Steve __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Park Forest Meteorite Poster
All, Would the person who had the Park Forest Poster please contact me off-list? I feel the need to obtain one or two of them. Thanks. - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: strewn-hood
'Writes in da Hood - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . I think we need to rethink this term, Strewn-field! Should this not be strewn-town, strewn-city or strewn-something, Where is the field? Or maybe..strewn-hood? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Park Forest Limericks
Limerick, you say? It may not be my birthday, but maybe my lyrical skills will earn me a free gram or two. :) There once was a Steve in a 'hood, Who often was misunderstood. Then came the 'rite, That flashed in the night, And he snatched up as much as he could. The stones had a nice dark black crust, And sometimes a roof would go bust. The people all screamed, 'Twas the fall of their dreams! Of the money they all were in lust. Astronomers look to the skies, To see what new things will arise. If they see a flash There's a dash for the cash, and the press can sensationalize. - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Twink JimRe: Meteorite-list digest, Vol 1 #1586 - 24 msgs
I just watched my CD-ROM of the Tucson 2003 show video last night with my wife. Yes, it was great! I even had a small part in it (about 28 seconds out of my total 15 minutes of fame). I was quite happy to see that Twink Jim had big parts in the video. These two individuals absolutely define class. Just look in the dictionary, you'll see their photos. Seriously, back in July I uprooted and moved my family from Ohio to Tucson. The absolutely FIRST people we met here in town (other than our realtor) were Twink and Jim. They came out on the day after we arrived with lunch from Baggins and not just one but TWO house warming gifts (a Gold Basin and a Canyon Diablo). :) Class indeed. - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Big-Ass Purple Campo
All, And now for an update on the Big-Ass Campo formerly known as Rusty. As you may recall (those who care, anyway), I bought a 19-pound Campo at the Tucson 2003 show this year. No New Campo this, it was definitely an Old-School specimen. Totally covered in rust. I contacted Bill Mason and bought one of his new Meteorite Treatment Kits. Unfortunately, I've had mixed results with it. Yes, the rust-eating acid worked very well indeed. Unfortunately, the instructions included with the kit left a bit to be desired. In one place they say to neutralize the acid next, then soak it in alcohol. In another place, it wrongly states to soak in alcohol first and _then_ use the acid neutralizer. (Guess which instructions I followed.) I also followed the instruction set which didn't happen to mention that the acid neutralizer needs to be diluted with water first (In one place the instructions say dilute 10:1 with water, and in another it says 20:1). The result was a sticky meteorite with way too much neutralizer on it. Thus, when the oven baking was in progress, my house was filled with a nasty burning chemical stink. The heat also apparently destroyed the neutralizer chemicals, leaving me with an ugly white deposit on the specimen (The fact that the cat grew another head is probably just a coincidence). So I went back and re-did the whole thing. At least the acid treatment went fast because most of the rust was already gone. I also took the time to work over my 4-inch long Nantan with the rust remover (It's now a nice 2-inch long Nantan). I got the order of treatment and the concentration of chemicals correct this time, I think. Everything went well until the final coating with the spray-on sealant. Now, my Nantan and my Campo are purple. I can think of perhaps three reasons for this: (1) I left the two specimens in the sun all day to dry cure the spray coating. Did a chemical/color change occur because of light, heat, or both? (2) Perhaps the acid neutralizer was still too concentrated. There may have been a reaction between the neutralizer and the spray-on coating. (3) Perhaps the spray-on coating is simply too thick. I used four coats. The instructions _did_ say spray on more layers to add mil thickness, but then again, they failed me before. There is nothing in the instructions warning about Purple Haze or how to avoid it. Has anyone else have this problem? So now I'm faced with removing the coating with acetone and trying yet again. I'm also wondering how the acetone will affect the special rust-inhibiting chemicals applied to the specimen by the various treatment steps. Will I have to start all over again, or can I just spray on a new coating and not worry? More important, how do I prevent the Purple Haze from returning? - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photos of American Meteorite Museum
All, A few months back, I visited the ruins of Niniger's American Meteorite Museum. I even got myself a brick (but the toilet fragments were all gone... darnit). I also took a couple of very good photos of the ruins. I'd like to have them matted and framed for display along with my brick. When I was at the crater, I asked the lady at the gas station for directions to the site. On the gas station wall was a black and white photo of the museum taken in its heyday. It was a nice 8x10 print. I'd like to get a copy of a photo like this. It would go into the matted frame along with my other two shots. Does anyone have a print? A really good scan at high res would be great (I can print it at Kinko's or something). Alternately, a high-quality photocopy would be excellent as well. In exchange, I can offer a piece of _my_ toilet seat. Someday it too will trade on eBay, just you wait and see. :) - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Contest, Free Gao-Guenie
Meteorites Are Cool Because.they are so very, very old. Meteorites are older than anyone you know. They are older than anything you own. That priceless antique heirloom that's been passed down in your family for generations? Meteorites are older. The Great wall of China? Meteorites are older. The oldest examples of human artifacts like stone tools and cave paintings? Meteorites are older. The ancient light we see from the Andromeda Galaxy that's traveled 18 million trillion miles through space to reach our eyes? Meteorites make that light seem as if it left Andromeda only yesterday. A mountain range? Meteorites are older. The rocks in the deepest part of Grand Canyon? Meteorites are older. The continents and the oceans? The Earth itself (and even the Moon)? Meteorites are older still, by at least half a billion years. Some meteorites contain tiny amounts of material that has remained essentially unchanged since even before the Sun itself formed out of the pre-solar nebula. Those tiny chondrites sitting inside that ordinary stony meteorite (one that you can buy for less than a dollar a gram) contain bits that are far, far older than nearly any star visible to the naked eye in the nighttime sky. Talk about a connection to the past! - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . - Original Message - __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Big-Ass Rusty Campo
All, My best specimen from Tucson 2003 is (drumroll please)... a rusty 19-pound Campo! (Hey, we can't ALL offer $5k for the nice bullet-shaped pieces like some folks can.) I want to clean this sucker up, but I need advice. I believe that there should be four steps in the process: (1) Brushing off the rust (2) Soaking in a chemical solution (3) Baking in the oven at 150 Fahrenheit for a few hours (4) Coating it to keep moisture out Step #3 I think I understand well enough. :) - Is there a certain type of brush to use? Wire, of course. Does it matter what type of wire? Can I put something on my cordless drill to make it go quicker/easier? - What is the chemical bath formula? I know I've seen it here... - What should I coat it with? I'm thinking of using the type of oil used on gun barrels. Yes/No? Other options? And, as ever, is there a really good, accurate, step-by-step web site that covers stabilizing a rusty meteorite? - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: stolen lunar meteorites
These four individuals should indeed serve a very long time in prison. Not so much for their crime, but for their own protection. I would be hard-pressed to think up a more stupid crime than to steal material like this. Its value is zero unless it can be authenticated, and yet authentication invites immediate conviction and imprisonment! Not only that, but they advertised it _on_the_internet_. What, did they think that the internet in Europe is somehow different than the internet in the United States? This also begs the question: How did these idiots ever get internship positions at NASA? Oy Vey! - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Tucson Countdown + Reminder
Geoff, Please put me down for an invite. I don't know how many events I'll be able to attend, as I'll also be working the show. This will be my first year, and frankly, I'm scared! :) Seriously, is there a calendar of events for us newbies? I need to start planning my schedule and wheedling my boss for precious time off. - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Bow down, bow down... before the power of SANTA or be crushed, be crushed by... his jolly boots of DOOM! - Invader Zim In a little over six weeks, many of us will be arriving in sunny Tucson, Arizona, so I hope you all have your hotels and flights booked! The weekend of February 7 - 9, 2003 will be action-packed with parties, auctions, and other events. If there are any more List members who would like to join us at the Fourth Annual Notkin/Arnold Meteor Mayhem Birthday Bash you should RSVP to me soon. I'll be mailing out invitations in early January. If you have received an invitation in the past, you will again this time, so no need to reply. Looking forward to seeing many of you Out West, and best wishes to List members the world over for a happy -- and hopefully war-free -- 2003. Regards, Geoff Notkin www.paleozoic.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite-list digest, Vol 1 #1433 - 24 msgs
Gregory, While it was very reasonable of you to point out the rules violations in the posting from Frank Holler, you might want to be more careful next time you do so. You see, _your_ posting contains HTML code, which is another clear violation of the rules for this text-only list. You might want to check out the settings in the software you use to access the list. :) - Bob Martino Tucson, AZ (Eat your hearts out, Midwestern Suckers!) [snip has anyone ever seen ** like this? Congratulations. It's not often that a one-sentence post can be crafted to violate two of the nine list-rules. List rule # 2 - Be courteous and professional at all times List rule # 6 - Do not send emails with -file attachments- to the list - include a file link Gregory __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson 2003 Events
All, The question about the Tucson Gem Mineral Show got me thinking... You'll note that the word meteorite isn't a part of the show name at all. I'm told that they really are a small part of the over all events going on at this time. As a matter of fact, this year will be my first at the Tucson show. I'll also be working my butt off as I now have a job with one of the big mineral importers here in Tucson. I must confess that as I learn more about everything that will be happening, I start to feel quite overwhelmed! To help the poor, lost newbies like myself find the interesting (meteorite) events, is there a calendar or guide for the show specific to our sub-group? When and where are the parties, the big dealers, auctions, museum displays, etc.? If such a thing does not exist... well, does anyone feel industrious? Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moving to Tucson Redux
This e-mail is more for the Tucsonites on the list than anyone else. (Please don't suspend me, oh kind and generous moderator!) I just returned from a fact-finding/house-hunting trip to Tucson. We found a place up near Oro Valley (Linda Vista Estates) and I dropped by my new school (Ironwood Ridge H.S.) to pick up my text books. Gotta love those teacher's editions! As it stands now, my wife and I plan to load up the rental truck on Sunday the 7th of July and drive out starting first thing on the 8th. My best guess for an ETA is Thursday or Friday of that week. If any Tucsonites on the list feel like helping a nearly complete stranger unload boxes (with just a few bits of furniture) please let me know. Pizza beer on me, of course! :) BTW, my modest meteorite collection _will_ be moving with me as well. (Just in case the moderator needs a justification for this being on the list.) Peace out. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Radioactive Fiestaware
Mark, minor corrections: The Geiger counters at OSU detect alphas quite nicely, actually. One wouldn't be able to do any student physics labs involving radioactivity if _gamma_radiation_ was all you could use. :] The radioactive Fiestaware is orange, not red. (Well, it looks orange to _me_ anyway.) I have one of these plates, BTW. Very pretty. OSU uses broken pieces of these plates as alpha sources for labs and demos. They are stronger than any commercial alpha source you can buy these days. Uranium oxide. Gotta love it! BTW Gieger Counters won't detect alpha radiation even if you were drowning in it. Some fiestaware(red) is very active in the Alpha range. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: IMCA
All, Regarding the IMCA and eBay, I think that only positive messages should be used. Something like, Member in good standing of the IMCA. All material sold is 100% guaranteed to be genuine. Then include the logo. Simple as that. Anyone who looks around eBay should notice this logo and text on a lot of meteorite auctions. If they're smart, they should wonder why the guy claiming to have a Leonid Meteor for sale does not have such a guarantee. This positive message says _nothing_ about anyone else or their auctions. Thus, eBay can't get its knickers in a bunch over it. The only problem is the subtle implication that any dealers who are not members are somehow suspect. Unfortunately, that problem is there no matter what. Any time a business is not a member of a professional organization (take the Better Business Bureau for example) people may wonder why not. Still, I see it as an important first step. SOMETHING needs to be done, and eBay won't/can't do it. Who else does that leave? Just us. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moving to Tucson
All, After years of looking to move on from my current position, I decided to go back to teaching in the public schools. There are a lot of schools out there and a shortage of teachers, after all. In case the subject line wasn't enough of a hint, I have found a job in Tucson. Specifically, I'll be teaching physics at Ironwood Ridge High School. Aside from the obvious advantage of not living in Columbus, or in Ohio, or in any part of the Midwest, I will now be able to attend the big Tucson show each year and blow my improved salary on meteorites. With enough begging, I might even be able to convince someone to take me along meteorite hunting some day. :) I know that many on the list hail from the Tucson area. Is there a meteorite (or at least a geological) club that meets out that way? Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Free Meteorite Dice!
All, I'd like to share something odd that the list will surely find interesting. Every year I attend the ORIGINS gaming convention here in Columbus, Ohio. It's one of the largest gaming cons in the country. This year my pre-registration book came and on page 28 it mentions that one of the show sponsors, Crystal Caste, will be giving away a set of polyhedral dice carved from a meteorite! Here is the exact text: --- Crystal Caste Attend Origins for a chance to win the Coolest Dice on Earth. Origins Sponsor Crystal Caste will be raffling off a full set of polyhedral dice carved from the Edmond meteor. [sic] Every attendee at Origins this year will be entered into a chance to win one of only two sets of meteoric dice in existence. All Origins attendees will automatically be entered in the raffle. Provided by Crystal Castle these dice are valued at $1,000 retail, but will be sold at Origins by auction. Check our web site, www.originsgames.com, to see the dice and learn more about the meteorite they were carved from. Come view these Artifacts of Gaming at the Crystal Caste booth #500. These dice are in the same 12mm scale as the rest of the Dwarven Stones line, wherein you can find many semiprecious and precious gemstones carved into dice. Gorgeous! The link to the dice page (with photos) is: http://www.originsgames.net/events/index.cfm?action=subcontentID=385nodeID=361 They claim these to be from the Edmond, Kansas find of 1983. _Meteorites_from_A_to_Z_ lists this as an H6 with a TKW of only 4kg. The photo on the web site does not contradict this claim, as far as I can tell. It seems odd to me -- very odd -- that a single named stone, with only 4 kg TKW would be carved into not just one but _two_ sets of dice (7 dice in each set). The mass wasting must have been huge. If they were carved from NWA stones I could see it, but Edmond...? To top it off, one of the sets will be GIVEN AWAY FREE and the other sold at auction. Whoever made these dice isn't keeping a set for himself. Discussion anyone? Surely someone on this list knows something about how these dice came to be made. (BTW, if anyone here wants to attend ORIGINS this year for a shot at the dice, I always play in the RoboRally Tournament. Bob has close-buzzed hair and a goatee.) Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: rocket fragment from Uganda
Dean, Is that a recovered rocket in your pocket or are you just glad to see us? (Sorry, I couldn't resist...) :) I am in charge of selling it. And if anybody is seriously interested in buying it contact me for price and details. DEAN Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor-Wrong Gone from Ebay
All, The eBay auction for the Vintage Meteorite Ball (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1083831262) was removed before it was complete. I don't know if I had anything to do with it, but I sent e-mail to the seller and encouraged him to have it checked out. This guy is _local_ to me (we both live in Columbus, Ohio), so I thought he would have no excuse to not have it looked over if I offered to do so. He didn't reply, but he did remove the auction. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hematite
Rob (and anyone else), I must confess that I do not yet have a piece of hematite to use for comparison purposes. It would be good to have a chunk or two handy for those days when hopeful meteorite prospectors visit my observatory. Could I impose on you to send me a sample, pretty please? John read my mind but I am leaning more toward hematite. A guy sent me kilos of this stuff a while back and some have very convincing shapes. As John indicated, the slightly magnetic property is the real meteorwrong givaway. If it looks like a fresh iron meteorite and it's only slightly magnetic...put it on the other shelf. Still worth keeping in my opinion and what a great addition to your page. -- Rob Wesel Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: New Moroccan Fall
OK, Mike. I'll bite. I'll take a nice individual in the 500g range at the .40 per gram retail price you quoted. I'll throw in a reasonable amount for shipping as well, say $10 (A bit high, to be on the safe side). When can I expect my specimen? I have heard that the new fall is going for .40 per gram. Several Moroccan dealers are retailing it for that. MC Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Weathervane Meteorite Found
Mr. Nowak, By all means keep us posted on the results of tests conducted on these meteorites. However, please do not take offense when I say that I'll not be holding my breath. It really strains credibility that _two_ meteorites were incorporated into one construction project. Especially after we've recently seen several meteor-wrongs confidently claimed to be genuine. I'm thinking of the town with the antigravity cave, escaped gorillas, and nudist colony (What was the name again? It doesn't matter). Also Ms. Polacco's famous meteor-wrong book which she so confidently defends with threats of lawsuits (and she's also from Michigan). It occurs to me that local meteorite folklore might make a worthy topic for an article in a periodical. Meteorite claims created purely for the purpose of scamming someone wouldn't be part of it. Only stories truly believed by local residents but which are false. Some title like The Greatest Meteorites that Never Lived perhaps. Still, it would be quite cool if this story were to be true. This time while searching via the net for meteorite recovery we found a iron meteorite-type unknown. [snip] The giant stone-map today is part of only one of the five fireplaces in the Weathervane Inn. Another piece in the fireplace is a meteorite of iron. It fell years ago over Michigan and was first discovered by Indians. A second meteorite decorates the Inn's signpost outside. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question Regarding SAU 008
All, I have a nice piece of Sayh Al Uhaymir 008 coming soon. It will be installed in the Mars Room at the observatory where I work. I'm working on signs for the exhibit and have a couple of questions: What is the crystallization age for the rock? How long did it spend in space? What is its terrestrial age? I've searched the web for this info, but all I can turn up is the same couple of paragraphs detailing the find (location, date, TKW, etc.). If these questions are still unanswered, that's fine too. If you know for sure that these answers are _not_ known, please let me know. As a side note, the Mars Room at Perkins Observatory contains a really cool Mars Rover and Lander made entirely out of LEGO bricks. I say it's really cool and you can trust me on that because I built it myself and therefore I should know. :) Check it out at: http://www.perkins-observatory.org/marsrover.html We now return you to Celebrity Boxing. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: nininger debris
Anyone help? A piece of his toilet would be desired too!!! When collecting hobbies go horribly, horribly awry... - Bob (shaking his head and making tisking sounds) Martino Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Hoagland
The November/December issue of Skeptical Inquirer has a long article about Mr. Nutcase Hoagland. Very enlightening. Having said that, as I understand it Mr Hoagland was one of the first people to openly suggest that there may be primitive lifeforms beneath the ice on Europa, As I understand it, there is no evidence that this statement is true. an idea which is almost universally accepted by exo-biologists now, An idea universally accepted by a group of scientists when there isn't a shred of evidence to support it? Unlikely. so let's not condemn the guy *totally*. Sure. He produces valuable carbon dioxide and fertilizers for the plant life on Earth. It's all good for debate and increasing public interest in Mars, which is what we really need if we've to have any hope of staging a manned mission anytime soon. It's all good for perpetuating long-standing conspiracy theories, outright lies, superstitions, and crank publications at the expense of real science content which is what the public _really_ wants but too often cannot get thanks to the nutcases setting the public agenda. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Strange Martian Surface Feature
Any ideas? What the Hell is this? Sandworm Tracks. To the north one can clearly see the Spice Blow. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Kitchen Comets
All, The educational materials page of the Perkins Observatory web site has my own take on the kitchen comet activity (as well as many other cool things, like lots of paper models of rockets and spacecraft). I use sand instead of dirt, since dirt has twigs, seeds, and worms in it which are typically not found in comets. For the organic molecules I use plain, pure, discarded photocopier toner. It's nice and black and nearly pure carbon. As the comet melts the carbon forms a very authentic sludge on the surface. And don't forget the methane! For this I just tell my audience about the major source of methane in the Earth's atmosphere - it's a byproduct of animal digestion. So I take a stuffed cow and have it pass some gas into the bucket. Sure its crude. That's why the kids love it so. http://www.perkins-observatory.org/education.html Mooo! Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Kitchen Comet Cows
You have _got_ to be kidding. Did you in fact READ my kitchen comet write-up? If you did then you should have noticed that it is stuffed full of educational content. Every ingredient added to the comet is there because such things are found in real comets. So I make my activities enjoyable. This is wrong somehow? Should all science content be presented by someone who talks like Ben Stein on sedatives? Should I not have my own style? I inject humor into my presentations. This elicits an emotional response from the audience. If you had bothered to keep up on educational, learning, and brain research in the last 18 years you might have noticed results indicating that humans remember better when strong emotions are tied with the memories. Since it wouldn't do for me to make my audience cry or run in fear, I figure that making them happy through the use of jokes will add that emotional engagement which helps to make the memories last. FYI, I never fail to receive many compliments from the _parents_ (not their crude youth) who attend my shows. I constantly am told that they learned something and will remember it. And I made them happy, too. Oh, how awful I am! Western Civilization is DOOMED! Seriously, if you have a better way to indicate the methane content in the kitchen comet, I'd love to hear it. Until then, you might try to lighten up. Fun and educational are not mutually exclusive. You are not alone in this opinion. The idea that science should be taught as a form of entertainment --not necessarily with any substantial content nor accountability-- is the primary reason why I left the science teaching profession 18 years ago. The old Mr. Wizard TV shows of the 1950s would be considered dull by today's commercial entertainment-driven standards, but they were highly informative-- and to me as a young boy--fascinating. In my humble but doubtless unique opinion, too much of our world is run already by crude youth and their toadies, the crude youth marketeers. Perhaps like the methane itself, it's a product of decay. I vote not to encourage it. Add my vote too. Dave Coleman and Paul Dudley And don't forget the methane! So I take a stuffed cow and have it pass some gas into the bucket. Sure its crude. That's why the kids love it so. Mooo! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Kepler's Law -- correction
Kepler's Law gives us the time it takes this critter to orbit the Sun. P = Ka^3 where P = Period, K is a constant dependent on the mass of the star, and a = the semimajor axis of the orbit. Close -- the semi-major axis should be raised to the 3/2 power. So using the corrected equation, the actual period is the square-root of 27, or ~5.2 years... --Rob Well, Crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap !!! I _knew_ that! This is what I get for responding to e-mails at 1:00 AM. 5.2 years = 45600 hours. 1.75 billion miles/ 45600 hours gives a speed of 38,000 mph for the 3 AU asteroid in a circular orbit. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Returning Meteorites
All, If *ANYONE* has a claim to a meteorite in a museum in the United States it would be the nation of Greenland. The natives there clearly knew of Ahnighito and venerated it as a sacred object before Perry absconded with it (No such proof exists for Willamette, to my knowledge). If the Greenland government demanded that Cape York be returned, I for one would strongly support their claim (albeit saddened at the loss to my country). For the Opportunistic Historical Revisionist Indian Tribes, however, I feel quite the opposite. Being culturally sensitive is one thing, but giving in to Politically Correct cultural extortion is something else. Of course, you are all free to disagree. And those who own pieces of Willamette are free to do with them what they want. I just wish that they would want to send a free pound or two my way. :) Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: 85 AD -2002 AD
Orbital Mechanics! Woo Hoo! Let's see if I can oil up my rusty memory of those bygone days in Physics Class (I'll jump in here and try to be helpful, since Mr. Nowak has kindly decided to not push the religious discussion brought up earlier). The asteroid belt to my knowledge is 168,000,000 million miles away from the Earth. If the average speed of the meteoroid coming out of the belt where 10 mph that would mean in 24 hours it traveled 240 miles one week 1680 miles one year 87600 miles. In 100 years 876 miles To do 168,000,000 miles would take about 1917 years. So If I found a meteorite in 2002 the meteoroid had to start itís journey in 85 A.D. (if using AD - Anno Domini is to heavy for this list let me know) I wanted to present this write up as a sales pitch to the general public. Is this on or off track?? 10 mph is far,far too slow. Without using any serious equations, we can ballpark this. Take an asteroid with a semimajor axis of 3 AU (Astronomical Units, the Earth-Sun distance, 93 million miles). This is about average for the main belt. So we imagine a circular orbit with a radius of 279 million miles. The circumference would be 2Pi(r), or 1.75 billion miles. Kepler's Law gives us the time it takes this critter to orbit the Sun. P = Ka^3 where P = Period, K is a constant dependent on the mass of the star, and a = the semimajor axis of the orbit. Since our star is the Sun, K is defined to have the value of 1 (don't worry about units - they all work out). For an a = 3 AU, the period is 27 years (3 cubed). So our rock has to travel 1.75 billion miles in 27 years. There are 8760 hours in a year, or 237,000 hours in 27 years. 1.75 billion miles/237,000 hours gives us a speed of about 7380 mph. But this is all just to get us in the ballpark. It's the speed of a rock with a perfectly circular orbit with a 3 AU radius. It looks like Mr. Nowak wants the meteoroid to intersect the Earth's orbit and enter the atmosphere. Now we have elliptical orbits to deal with, since the rock will cross Earth's orbit and also spend time in the main belt. For this, the rock will have different speeds at different places in its orbit (in accordance with Kepler's Law of Equal Areas). To calculate this more exactly, one will need more information about the rock's orbit. Typically, meteoroids enter the atmosphere at over 30,000 mph, if that helps. Here is another one that crossed my mind. If light travels 18600 miles per second. How long will it take in TIME for light to travel 3/8 of an inch??? You mean 186,000 miles per second for the speed of light. There are 5280 feet per mile (I think), 12 inches per feet. (186,000)x(5280)x(12) = 1.18 x 10^10 inches per light second. This is distance per unit time, but you want time per unit length, so just invert this quantity. (1)/(1.18 x 10^10) = 8.48 x 10^-11 seconds to travel one inch. Multiply this by 3/8 to get 3.18 x 10^-11 seconds. Unless I dropped a decimal somewhere, that should be correct. But why 3/8 of an inch? Hm Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: BID HERE! ROCKS FROM SPACE Signed!
Simon thinks you might get more bids if you weren't such a jerk. Simon wouldn't buy a book from you if it were an autographed first edition of the Bible. Come on people! I need you to bid on the books! Now hurry up and bid. SIMON SEZ CLICK AND BID. xoxox, MC Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Paradox
Just last month I was experimenting with the various flavors of Big Bang theories, trying to see which parameters and initial assumptions produced what we see today. Unfortunately, all of the universes I created either fell back into themselves rather quickly or suffered runaway inflation before any stars could form. Heck, it was all I could do to create stable Hydrogen atoms in a couple of the universes. I never did manage to get Helium (let alone heavier elements). I think I need to tweak the Weak Nuclear Force Constant a little bit. I'll keep you all posted. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: One last try
Mohamed wrote: BUT I am sure THEY ARE METEORITES as I am sure of my exsistence!!! So it's official now folks. Mohamed doesn't really exist. He must be a hoax or troll of some sort. Time for the prankster to step forward and take a bow. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorites and Creation
I believe that this post and the author's follow-ups violate list rules that the discussions here only relate to meteorites. Simply putting the word "meteorite" into a religious spew does not make it a meteorite discussion. This is quite obviously a religious post and it HAS NO PLACE HERE. I've been a member of several lists like this one which were ruined when some joker hijacked it for his own personal proselytizing purposes. Can we boot this guy before it goes any further? P.S. to Mr. Nowak: You do not further your cause by breaking clear and obvious list rules, being rude, and showing yourself to be a fool (in religious language, this is called "being a bad witness"). If you want to discuss the "Appearance of Age" theory, take it to the proper place and leave the rest of us alone to discuss meteorites. (I could say a _lot_ about your silly theory and demolish it on rhetorical, scientific, and religious levels, but this is not the place for doing that.) >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:14:14 -0800 (PST) >From: Rick Nowak [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites and Creation > >Meteorites you say are older then the Earth and >billions of years old > >When God created a rock he created age with the rock >yet it was only 1 second old > >When God created Adam and Eve they where around 25 yet >they where only 1 second old. > >The Holy Grail of meteorites would be the one that >brought life to this planet. No that will never happen >read the book of Genesis instead. > >I am not here to force religion down anyone. Besides I >hate religion rather a reltionship with God is what >it's about. I'am Educated in Creation/Evolution and I >thought I would share a creationist >viewpoint. > Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ "I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion." -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Nice Chondrules
That's right. Ogres have layers. Onions have layers. They both have layers. Donkeys and meteorites do not have layers. Hello Mohammed, [snip] If you look at the rock underneath the crust you will see layers. Meteorites never have layers. [snip] Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oy Vey
I just know that _somebody's_ gonna end up in the wood chipper. Last week I was sad that I can't afford to go to Tuscon this year. This week, I'm REALLY sad that I can't go. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: NWA LUNAR and MARTIAN
Hopefully someone can also help him to set his web browser so that it doesn't send huge chunks of redundant HTML code to a text-based list like this one. Some pointers on trimming original posts when responding would be nice too. I think that this is all we can hope for. His manners appear gone for good. Geez Casper, do you have to send everything in duplicate? By the way, if you need assistance in setting your PC's clock, I'm sure someone can help you. SS Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Vaccuum-Packed Campos
Doh. You're right. I checked again and discovered that ivebeenrobbed also has a business called Treasures Everywhere which I confused with Enchanted Treasures. As much as I would love to take credit for the clever idea of vacuum packing this material..., your seller on this item was 'ivebeenrobbed'. The last item I had the pleasure of shipping to you was Anne Black and the Jensen's very nice book, 'Meteorites A to Z'. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Space Adventures Antarctic Meteorite Expedition (Mark Miconi)
This, of course, ties in with the question recently asked by another list member, How do you clean a meteorite? I hope you bring some extra-large condoms to put them into first. (although that nice 500 g specimen will pose particular problems -- at both ends!) BTW, Is that a Martian microbe, or just an E. coli? Dean you hit this one straight on the head. You can bet if I went on this trip that I would be swallowing rocks. 2 for them...one for me...gulp. I would not mind having to dig them out later! Mark M. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ This is how men behave when they believe they have absolute knowledge. -Jacob Bronowski (speaking from the ashes of Auschwitz) Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648 ___ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: TUCSON Auctions ad
And why would he need an attorney? Last I checked you only need money at an auction. Anytime money is involved one always finds attorneys hanging around. :) Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ This is how men behave when they believe they have absolute knowledge. -Jacob Bronowski (speaking from the ashes of Auschwitz) Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648 ___ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Pump and Seal for meteorite storage?
I might try putting dessicant in the bottom of the jar with tissue paper on top of the dessicant. Meteorite goes on top of tissue paper. Now pump out the air. If the meteorite is first treated with alcohol, lye, and baking as per previous posts, it may last forever! But don't use a pickle jar. Get Mason (canning) jars. No air, no oxidation, and with 90% of the air out, that is like 80,000 feet, fifteen miles up. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ This is how men behave when they believe they have absolute knowledge. -Jacob Bronowski (speaking from the ashes of Auschwitz) Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648 ___ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
