[meteorite-list] Heads up - sonic event in central Oklahoma

2018-07-15 Thread James Beauchamp via Meteorite-list 
Hi all.  About 9:27 PM central, we just had a sonic event reported across 
Oklahoma City metro.
Unfortunately, my allsky is down awaiting final install.  
Keep an eye out for visual reports (we hope!).
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[meteorite-list] While you were all arguing...

2018-03-16 Thread James Beauchamp via Meteorite-list 
This happened yesterday, and we almost got it on the GOES-16 images.
KFOR-TV

  
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We got radar hits on several TV station free-air mode radars, NOAA, and the 
KOKC high resolution TDWR.  I'm too damned busy to actually attempt a hunt for 
this one, but I can tell this network isn't what it used to be.  Very sorry to 
see such an excellent network of wonderful people have diluted down to arguing 
with each other.

It saddens me to see.
Most likely the velocity was so high, only dust remained of the main mass, but 
the noise was amazing to hear.
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[meteorite-list] Daytime Meteor reported in SE Oklahoma

2018-03-14 Thread James Beauchamp via Meteorite-list 
Reports coming in on local news.  KFOR apparently caught reflection of it on 
thier station's radar - near the towns of Beardon and Cromwell.  Sonic booms 
reported in multiple counties.
3:17 PM Central time.  I'll see what comes up on the NOAA data when it's 
available.  
James

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[meteorite-list] Event reported over Eastern Oklahoma

2017-01-30 Thread James Beauchamp via Meteorite-list 
News media reporting green flash with sonics over Eastern Oklahoma.  
Approximately 06:30 AM Central.
Sadly, my camera is down for Maintenance  :(

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Re: [meteorite-list] More fun with GR

2016-07-21 Thread James Beauchamp via Meteorite-list 
For the satellite, it varies according to the gravity field it flies over.

Technically none exists because the gravity field is never constant.  It 
dithers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 21, 2016, at 2:01 AM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

Hi Doug,

I think you would have come up with the correct answer if I had given
a more precise value for the clock slow down relative to a stationary
clock in deep space:  it should be 0.69693 parts per billion relative to
a clock at sea-level on the earth's equator, or 60.2 microseconds per
day. It is no accident that the distant rock's velocity would need to be
11.19 km/sec for its clock to remain synchronized with one on the
earth's equator. That value should be very familiar to meteorite folks. :-)

Here's a harder, but related problem:  at what altitude must a
satellite in a circular orbit fly for its clock to run at the same speed
as a clock on the earth's equator?

Another interesting GR factoid:  the core of the earth is actually
2 1/2 years younger than the crust (ignoring convection in the core,
plate tectonics, etc.) If the earth is modeled as having constant density,
the calculation works out to about 1 1/2 years younger, but of course
earth is much denser at the core, resulting in even greater time dilation
there.  --Rob

From: MexicoDoug [mexicod...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 4:03 PM
To: Matson, Rob D.; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] age of meteorites

Rob and all,

> For instance, even at solar system escape velocity
> at earth's distance from the sun (42 km/sec)

What is...The ultimate question of life and the answer to everything?

> Extra-credit question for the mathematically
> inclined:  at what velocity relative to the earth
> would a meteoroid have to travel to have its
> clock stay in sync with a clock at the earth's
> surface?  :-)

Given the figure you mention of 0.6 ppb (52 microseconds per day faster) this 
question asks be nullified, maybe 10 km/s velocity relative to earth?

A good relative velocity to hunt a flock of wild space geese coming to roost on 
Earth, wearing accurate Rolexes ...  But should the meteoroid transition to our 
gravity, the on-board Rolex might abandon its precision for a few spectacular 
minutes, and have an "error" of a couple of nanoseconds ;-)

Kindest wishes
Doug


-Original Message-
From: Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2016 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] age of meteorites

It's not a bad idea, Pete, but unfortunately the time dilation is  really 
minimal unless you get up
to a substantial fraction of the speed of light. For instance, even at solar 
system escape velocity
at earth's distance from the sun (42 km/sec), a meteoroid's clock would be 
running at about
10 parts per billion slower than that of a stationary rock. (Additional note: 
due to general relativity,
a clock on a meteoroid would be running about 0.6 parts per billion *faster* 
than a clock at the
earth's surface, but that is more than made up for by the time dilation due to 
special relativity.)

Extra-credit question for the mathematically inclined:  at what velocity 
relative to the earth
would a meteoroid have to travel to have its clock stay in sync with a clock at 
the earth's
surface?  :-)  --Rob

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From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On 
Behalf Of Pete Shugar via Meteorite-list
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:12 PM
To: The List
Subject: [meteorite-list] age of meteorites

greetings to all,
my background is in electronics. everything deals with either C or C2.
Einstein states that nothing goes faster than the speed of light and that as 
you approach the speed of light, things get older slower.
So this meteorite in it's travels is going at a rate that is a subtantual 
percentage of the speed of light. Has anyone taken this into consideration when 
placing an age on the meteorite?
Just a thought to tickle the old brain cells!!
Pete Shugar
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Re: [meteorite-list] age of meteorites

2016-07-20 Thread James Beauchamp via Meteorite-list 
Correction, that would be YOUNGER.  Sorry.  Early morning.

 

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 9:24 AM, James Beauchamp via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
 

 I think this is a pretty fun exercise for people to understand basic points of 
relativity in general (pardon the pun), and how Lorenz transformations work.
The objects floating around exist in a different 4 dimensional reference frame 
than we do.  Similar to Captain Scott Kelly's recent year in space and his 
description of age.  Note that his year in space at 28,000 km/sec resulted in 
about 8 milliseconds of time dilation.  apply that over 4 billion years.
(8 mS / year) X 4 billion years = 32,000,000 seconds =  hours = 370 days... 
 

If Captain Kelly had remained in orbit for 4 billion years, he would be about 1 
year older than his sibling.


 

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:11 AM, Count Deiro via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
 

 #yiv2324321851 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, 
sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ff;color:black;} Hi all,

It's true meteors travel at an insignificant percentage of the speed of light. 
Speeds up to 260,000 kilometers an hour are reached by meteors entering the 
earth's atmosphere versus light's maximum of 1079252848.8 kilometers an hour in 
a perfect vacuum.

Outer space is very, very cold and is an imperfect vacuum. If it has any mass, 
the speed of light can be much slower. In an extreme situation, perhaps a 
velocity where the comparative speed of the meteor would be in the 5% range. 
Which would have a measurable affect on its age as a meteorite.

I mention this, because published papers establish that the colder the mass 
through which light is being perceived, the slower its speed. For instance, the 
speed of light through very cold, laser-bathed, sodium atoms, can be only 50 
meters a second!

Count Deiro

-Original Message-
>From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list 
>Sent: Jul 18, 2016 4:00 PM
>To: Michael Mulgrew , pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
>Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] age of meteorites
>
>
>Pete, Michael & Rob,
>
>Au contraire smart guys
>Every morning, PAUL sends us a meteorite At the speed of light---
>
>(:>)
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" 
>To: "Pete Shugar" 
>Cc: "The List" 
>Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 6:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] age of meteorites
>
>
>No meteoroid body travels anywhere near "a subtantual [sic] percentage
>of the speed of light". Although their relative ages will be
>different based on Einstein's theory, their practical age is
>realistically unaffected I would think.
>
>Michael in so. Cal.
>
>On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Pete Shugar via Meteorite-list
> wrote:
>> greetings to all,
>> my background is in electronics. everything deals with either C or C2.
>> Einstein states that nothing goes faster than the speed of light and
>> that as you approach the speed of light, things get older slower.
>> So this meteorite in it's travels is going at a rate that is a
>> subtantual percentage of the speed of light. Has anyone taken this into
>> consideration when placing an age on the meteorite?
>> Just a thought to tickle the old brain cells!!
>> Pete Shugar
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Re: [meteorite-list] age of meteorites

2016-07-19 Thread James Beauchamp via Meteorite-list 
I think this is a pretty fun exercise for people to understand basic points of 
relativity in general (pardon the pun), and how Lorenz transformations work.
The objects floating around exist in a different 4 dimensional reference frame 
than we do.  Similar to Captain Scott Kelly's recent year in space and his 
description of age.  Note that his year in space at 28,000 km/sec resulted in 
about 8 milliseconds of time dilation.  apply that over 4 billion years.
(8 mS / year) X 4 billion years = 32,000,000 seconds =  hours = 370 days... 
 

If Captain Kelly had remained in orbit for 4 billion years, he would be about 1 
year older than his sibling.


 

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:11 AM, Count Deiro via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:
 

 #yiv6702994726 body{font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, 
sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ff;color:black;} Hi all,

It's true meteors travel at an insignificant percentage of the speed of light. 
Speeds up to 260,000 kilometers an hour are reached by meteors entering the 
earth's atmosphere versus light's maximum of 1079252848.8 kilometers an hour in 
a perfect vacuum.

Outer space is very, very cold and is an imperfect vacuum. If it has any mass, 
the speed of light can be much slower. In an extreme situation, perhaps a 
velocity where the comparative speed of the meteor would be in the 5% range. 
Which would have a measurable affect on its age as a meteorite.

I mention this, because published papers establish that the colder the mass 
through which light is being perceived, the slower its speed. For instance, the 
speed of light through very cold, laser-bathed, sodium atoms, can be only 50 
meters a second!

Count Deiro

-Original Message-
>From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list 
>Sent: Jul 18, 2016 4:00 PM
>To: Michael Mulgrew , pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
>Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] age of meteorites
>
>
>Pete, Michael & Rob,
>
>Au contraire smart guys
>Every morning, PAUL sends us a meteorite At the speed of light---
>
>(:>)
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" 
>To: "Pete Shugar" 
>Cc: "The List" 
>Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 6:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] age of meteorites
>
>
>No meteoroid body travels anywhere near "a subtantual [sic] percentage
>of the speed of light". Although their relative ages will be
>different based on Einstein's theory, their practical age is
>realistically unaffected I would think.
>
>Michael in so. Cal.
>
>On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Pete Shugar via Meteorite-list
> wrote:
>> greetings to all,
>> my background is in electronics. everything deals with either C or C2.
>> Einstein states that nothing goes faster than the speed of light and
>> that as you approach the speed of light, things get older slower.
>> So this meteorite in it's travels is going at a rate that is a
>> subtantual percentage of the speed of light. Has anyone taken this into
>> consideration when placing an age on the meteorite?
>> Just a thought to tickle the old brain cells!!
>> Pete Shugar
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Re: [meteorite-list] What have we here.

2014-11-21 Thread James Beauchamp via Meteorite-list 
Hi count.  This one was fake, or at least flatly misrepresented.  There were no 
media reports, or even a single eyewitness report to verify the event.  I would 
have expected at least a phone call from someone as I live here in Oklahoma 
City.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Count Deiro via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

Says it was filmed on the 19th.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d2_1416584050


Count Deiro
IMCA 3536
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Re: [meteorite-list] What have we here.

2014-11-21 Thread James Beauchamp via Meteorite-list 
I always film my garbage can trips, lol

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

A clever and well done fake but clearly a fake. 

Michael Farmer

 On Nov 21, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Count Deiro via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 Says it was filmed on the 19th.
 
 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d2_1416584050
 
 
 Count Deiro
 IMCA 3536
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