Re: [meteorite-list] OT- Security Alert Issued- CryptoLocker Warning
Hi Dirk and List, FoolishIT has a locker that prevents CryptoLocker from running, called CryptoPrevent. It's a pretty nice little piece of code. That said: Backups. If one hasn't learned to keep backups of files they care about by this point, CryptoLocker is probably a cheap lesson. CryptoPrevent can be had free here: http://www.foolishit.com/vb6-projects/cryptoprevent/ The premium version offers auto-updating. --- Jodie Friday, November 15, 2013, 2:01:03 PM, you wrote: OT- Security Alert Issued- CryptoLocker Warning List, This is important because we dont need this infection within our list. Please read carefully. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo CryptoLocker Warning NEVER open attachments you are not expecting. Cryptolocker is a particularly bad nasty that you never want to see. Microsoft issued a critical alert about it, and today CERT issued a second alert. I've already had to deal with two small infestations at work, and every affected machine had to be wiped because this malware brings along a bunch of 'friends' to party on the infected machine. On Wednesday, Nov 13, 2013, at 15:55 Ghu knows I hate the sky is falling notes that say Read This!!! Important!!!. Well, this actually IS a Read This!!! Important!!! I just got this from the folks that host my Citrix system. They are good (heck, my son worked for 'em for 5 years!). When they say this is nasty they know of what they speak. I was in Hot Spring, Arkansas, a couple of weeks ago talking with an IT guy. He was in the middle of rebuilding a customer's box that got hit. If you ARE hit, and you DON'T have appropriate backups, and you DON'T pay the ransom guys you are, to put it bluntly, screwed. Do NOT open an attachment you are unsure of, even if it comes from someone you trust. Emails can be spoofed. == CryptoLocker is Trojan horse malware which surfaced in late 2013, a form of ransomware targeting computers running Microsoft Windows. CryptoLocker disguises itself as a legitimate attachment; when activated, the malware encrypts certain types of files stored on local and mounted network drives using RSA public-key cryptography, with the private key stored only on the malware's control servers. The malware then displays a message which offers to decrypt the data if a payment (through either Bitcoin or a pre-paid voucher) is made by a stated deadline, and says that the private key will be deleted and unavailable for recovery if the deadline passes. If the deadline is not met, the malware offers to decrypt data via an online service provided by the malware's operators, for a significantly higher price in Bitcoin. CryptoLocker typically propagates as an attachment to a seemingly innocuous e-mail (usually taking the appearance of a legitimate company e-mail), or from a botnet. The attached ZIP file contains an executable file with filename and icon disguised as a PDF file, taking advantage of Windows' default behaviour of hiding the extension from file names to disguise the real .EXE extension. Some instances may actually contain the Zeus trojan instead, which in turn installs CryptoLocker.[1][2] When first run, the payload installs itself in the Documents and Settings folder with a random name, and adds a key to the registry that causes it to run on startup. It then attempts to contact one of several designated command and control servers; once connected, the server then generates a 2048-bit RSA key pair, and sends the public key back to the infected computer.[1][3] The server may be a local proxy and go through others, frequently relocated in different countries to make tracing difficult.[4][5] The payload then proceeds to begin encrypting files across local hard drives and mapped network drives with the public key, and logs each file encrypted to a registry key. The process only encrypts data files with certain extensions, including Microsoft Office, OpenDocument, and other documents, pictures, and AutoCAD files.[2] The payload then displays a message informing the user that files have been encrypted, and demands a payment of 300 USD or Euro through an anonymous pre-paid cash voucher (i.e. MoneyPak or Ukash), or 2 Bitcoin in order to decrypt the files. The payment must be made within 72 or 100 hours, or else the private key on the server would be destroyed, and nobody and never will be able to restore files.[1][3] Payment of the ransom allows the user to download the decryption program, which is pre-loaded with the user's private key.[1] In November 2013, the developers of CryptoLocker launched an online service which claims to allow users to decrypt their files without the CryptoLocker program, and to purchase the decryption key after the deadline expires; the process involves uploading an encrypted file to
Re: [meteorite-list] My first outreach to a 7th grade class is coming up
You're such a party-pooper, Chris! That's the problem with schools today - no tolerance for generating large over-pressures in the classroom. It aint science until you're bleeding from the ears and half the school is swamping the ER, getting stitched up, and having glass shards extracted! The vast majority of the students not in the small enclosed space itself will totally survive the demonstration, so what's the big deal? I hear Gitmo's nice this time of year! ;-) --- Jodie Friday, November 8, 2013, 4:31:28 PM, you wrote: You realize that if you manage to reproduce a somewhat realistic volume of the Chelyabinsk shock wave (which is only sound heard) you will blow out all the windows and ceiling tiles in the room. That would certainly be impressive to a bunch of middle schoolers! But you might not get invited back. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 11/8/2013 5:06 PM, Mendy Ouzillou wrote: Jacob, my 12 year old son, has a class called Weird Science and asked me to present to his class about meteorites. I will be presenting to his class this coming Tuesday. As the opening to my presentation, I want to blast at somewhat realistic volume a recording of a meteor passing overhead. I believe there were some ear-witness accounts of Chelyabinsk and thought someone could help me find a high quality recording of it or any other. Also, if anyone has a slide deck they would be willing to share, please send to me. Adam Bates was kind enough to let me have his which is based on the IMCA deck, but I would like to see what others have done. When I have finalized mine, I would be happy to return the favor. Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] California Meteor/s 07NOV2013
For those interested: The actual observed start time for the northern California event from Sacramento, CA was 07-Nov-2013 @ 22:25:36, moving out of the SW to the W. The witless statements were all over the board on time, so figured I'd shorten your search down so you don't waste hours of your life that you'll never get back - like I did. ;-( My video capture is up on Dirk's site. [ 38.5607, -121.319, ~30M ASL+AGL ] --- Jodie Friday, November 8, 2013, 2:37:46 AM, you wrote: List, California Meteor/s 07NOV2013 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/11/ca-meteor-07nov2013.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] CA Fireball Meteor 22OCT2013
Before anyone speculates: Not an Orionid. The radiant is about Fomalhaught towards [over] Venus. GPS-sync'd time is 19:54:01 for 9-11 seconds (observer altitude dependent) PDT from Sacramento and Auburn, CA respective. Video is up on Dirk's site now, but if anyone is looking to analyze it, contact me off-list for unmolested video and precise frame-accurate times. --- Jodie Tuesday, October 22, 2013, 9:13:59 PM, you wrote: List, Several reports with a video to soon be added- http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/10/breakiing-news-ca-fireball-meteor.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] CA Fireball Meteor 22OCT2013
Local news just noted the event, lots of people calling in apparently. (KCRA TV) Tuesday, October 22, 2013, 11:08:46 PM, you wrote: Before anyone speculates: Not an Orionid. The radiant is about Fomalhaught towards [over] Venus. GPS-sync'd time is 19:54:01 for 9-11 seconds (observer altitude dependent) PDT from Sacramento and Auburn, CA respective. Video is up on Dirk's site now, but if anyone is looking to analyze it, contact me off-list for unmolested video and precise frame-accurate times. --- Jodie Tuesday, October 22, 2013, 9:13:59 PM, you wrote: List, Several reports with a video to soon be added- http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/10/breakiing-news-ca-fireball-meteor.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Juno Goes Into Safe Mode During Earth Flyby
Hello Ron, Maybe it was all of us RFing the poo out of her radios at 200-1500 watts over on 10meters [as requested]? :) I was monitoring the entire 1Mhz spectrum width from another location as I was hitting her, and I counted at least six, sometimes eight, other stations mashing the key at the same time I was, and that's just what was in view of my remote receiver down in the valley hole! --- Jodie Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 4:47:23 PM, you wrote: http://spaceflightnow.com/juno/131009safemode/ Juno goes into safe mode during Earth flyby BY STEPHEN CLARK SPACEFLIGHT NOW October 9, 2013 NASA's Juno spacecraft went into safe mode Wednesday as it flew by Earth to gain speed on its five-year journey to Jupiter, but the mission's lead scientist said the flyby achieved its objective of putting the probe on the correct course toward the solar system's largest planet. The Jupiter-bound probe flew about 350 miles over the Indian Ocean near South Africa at 3:21 p.m. EDT (1921 GMT), and all data indicate the spacecraft obtained the predicted gravity boost from the flyby, according to Scott Bolton, Juno's principal investigator from the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio. But the spacecraft, stretching the size of a basketball court with its solar panels extended, experienced a fault some time during the flyby, going into a safe mode to protect the probe's systems and instruments while engineers on the ground scramble to diagnose the problem. Bolton said Juno is designed to downlink data at a slower rate than normal during a safe mode, but telemetry from the spacecraft shows all its systems and instruments are fine. The solar-powered spacecraft zoomed over the Indian Ocean on the night side of the Earth, putting the probe's expansive solar arrays in eclipse for the first time since its launch in August 2011. Juno also passed out of range of ground antennas around the time of closest approach, and a European Space Agency ground station in Perth, Australia, acquired the first radio signals from Juno a few minutes later. When we came out of the eclipse, we realized that the spacecraft was in safe mode, Bolton said. What we do know is that all the subsystems and instruments are nominal and behaving OK. Juno was programmed to collect data during the flyby with its science payload. The research activities - considered a bonus by the Juno science team - included gathering observations of the Earth's magnetic field and auroras and snapping a series of images of Earth with the spacecraft's primary camera. This did not affect the main purpose of the flyby, which was to put Juno on the right course to Jupiter, Bolton said. Bolton said ground controllers see some indications Juno gathered data and images during the flyby, but it may take more time to confirm whether the craft took the images as planned. If the imagery was collected, it could take extra time recover the information from the probe's on-board computer while engineers focus their work on putting Juno back into its normal operating mode. Juno is set to arrive in orbit around Jupiter on July 4, 2016, beginning a one-year science mission studying the gas giant's crushing atmosphere, powerful magnetic field and enigmatic core. Juno's discoveries could help scientists unravel how Jupiter, likely the solar system's oldest planet, formed and evolved in the early solar system. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown
Hundreds of billions in sunk-cost and they have less than 12 hours of burn on their bandwidth bill? My investors would lynch me, and no jury in the world would convict them... Of course, I have to have an approved budget every year or I'll get fired and the government will lock me up. Must be nice! --- Jodie Tuesday, October 1, 2013, 9:07:41 AM, you wrote: Hi, It looks like the NASA website has been taken down for the shutdown: http://www.nasa.gov Due to the lapse in federal government funding, this website is not available. We sincerely regret this inconvenience. The NEO website at JPL is not affected by this. Ron __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Indianapolis Meteor
Hi Phil, If you missed his report - Dirk had it this morning - here for the latest: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/09/breaking-news-mi-oh-in-daytime-bolide.html Thursday, September 26, 2013, 8:36:27 AM, you wrote: Lots of reports are coming in. A big green fireball spotted just after 7:00 am moving west to east. No reports of sonic booms yet. My cousin saw it. https://www.facebook.com/WSBTNews?ref=streamhc_location=stream https://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/TomSkilling Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now, posted! Another spectacular video.
Science-by-Consensus is bleating-edge scientific method for sure. It saves a tremendous amount of time in that whole pesky investigation and analysis stuff. Classically, it brought us such important concepts as the geocentric universe and the base element of fire, Phlogiston. So yes, let's all vote instead of investigate. Everyone's viewpoint is equally important! --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] San Luis Potosi Meteor
Hi Dirk, Ask and ye shall receive! http://www.spaceballoon.org/SanLuisPotosi-28Aug2013.zip All four videos in the highest quality stream available for each compressed into one easy to digest zip file. Total about 12.5MB. --- Jodie Thursday, August 29, 2013, 1:17:25 AM, you wrote: Count and Graham, Thank you both! These video files need copied onto a CD-ROM for storage; I wouldnt mind a copy if someone can get them. If this event proves to be a real bolide event, which I think that it is, it is one of the best examples since the 1970s Grand Teton, Wyoming Earth-grazing asteroid. Best Regards, Dirk...Tokyo From: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] San Luis Potosi Meteor Yes...amazing event again...thanks to Dirk as always for posting the videos. Graham On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Listers, One of the small things in life, but something that brings big pleasure is to have the opportunity to compliment and thank someone for their providing free gratis excitement and interest into your life. Our colleague and friend in Tokyo, Dirk Ross, tirelessly maintains his WORLD WIDE METEOR/METEORITE site gathering and posting the news,videos and photos of events we are interested in. His posting of the four extraordinary videos of the August 21st. meteor crossing the mountains and valleys near San Luis Potosi, Mexico are thrilling. The last of the four is such a classic that it will always remain in my memory bank. It is far more interesting than the video of the Great Fireball of 1972 (Gran Teton Grazer.) http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/08/san-luis-potosi-mexico-daytime-bolide.html Thank you Dirk..I understand there were sonics associated with this meteor. It would be great to find if it became a meteorite. Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] An Important Project Consideration -
After your third or fourth night sleeping on the ground a Willow tree** looks better than any rock. Anyone who spends a lot of time in the field would be well-served with at least a passing knowledge of medicinal herbalism. --- Jodie **Willow bark contains Salicin, the compound eventually isolated to create asprin as we know it today. It's useful in pain relief, treating fevers, RA, menstrual cramps, etc. It's a good example of the field-benefits. Good luck with your funding, Michael C! Not in a position to be of much assistance at the moment, but it sounds like a worthwhile project. Monday, July 1, 2013, 10:57:15 AM, you wrote: What does this have to do with meteorites? On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote: Hello, I am asking family, friends, and clients to consider helping me fund this worthwhile project. I have been a practicing herbalist for over 20 years and this book, I feel is one of the most important projects I have ever done. It literally is a major contribution to world health. YERBA MANSA - The Ethnobotany Of A Traditional Remedios http://www.gofundme.com/3ed2gw Any consideration is appreciated. Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes Through Roof Of Local Business
Hello Shawn, Page not found We're sorry! This page is not available. Please visit the CBS Pittsburgh Homepage or use the search box above. Saturday, June 22, 2013, 3:06:02 AM, you wrote: Hello Listers, Came across this link, not sure what to make of this, but I bet some of you on the list might know whats in the images of this article. :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1 http://meteoritefalls.com/ Article MERCER, Pa. (KDKA) — There is a mystery surrounding a strange-looking rock that came crashing through the ceiling of a Mercer County business. It happened sometime late Thursday night or early Friday morning. Employees of the business discovered the shiny, sharp-looking object inside their warehouse Friday morning. Link: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/06/21/rock-or-meteorite-strange-object-crashes-through-roof-of-local-business/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes Through Roof Of Local Business
Aha, this link should work: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/06/21/rock-or-meteorite-strange-object-crashes-through-roof-of-local-business/ Saturday, June 22, 2013, 3:06:02 AM, you wrote: Hello Listers, Came across this link, not sure what to make of this, but I bet some of you on the list might know whats in the images of this article. :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1 http://meteoritefalls.com/ Article MERCER, Pa. (KDKA) — There is a mystery surrounding a strange-looking rock that came crashing through the ceiling of a Mercer County business. It happened sometime late Thursday night or early Friday morning. Employees of the business discovered the shiny, sharp-looking object inside their warehouse Friday morning. Link: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/06/21/rock-or-meteorite-strange-object-crashes-through-roof-of-local-business/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Billion-Pixel View of Mars Comes From Curiosity Rover
Hello Jeff, Registration artifact. When one goes about putting these together, one would generally work in at least a 24bit if not a 32bit space with a transparent background. I sick a whole bunch of processing power on the problem with a neural network looking for features that match-up. Once those millions of points are selected (through many hours of training and then automated iteration), my image processing software then has to warp, bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate the individual frames, stitching them together into an image that looks attractive on a flat 2D screen. When that's done, it needs to then have the bit depth reduced for end user consumption. That involves getting rid of the transparent background and filling that space underneath with some color. I have a few tricks that NASA/JPL folks may not employ. One of them is filling the background with pure Red (255,0,0), then another with pure Green (0,0,255), then another with pure Blue (0,255,0). Those then go through another pre-processing step of overlaying those and checking for each color pure color. Any area that flags for two of the three is suspect. Small areas that don't precisely line-up like that get flagged for manual revision. That step allows me to pull them into an image editor and quickly pixel-hack them together in a convincing way (although not scientifically valuable). I suspect they skip that step entirely and just fill the background with white and post it. Even with the current state-of-the-art, any time you have motion you have registration issues that can't be gracefully resolved. Mine show those artifacts around the rover itself, especially in the shadows. Creating panoramas from so many frames of a sphere and then unwrapping the sphere into 2D isn't an exact science. Plenty of room for discovery there. --- Jodie Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:15:39 AM, you wrote: Anyone else see this? It's something white sitting between two rocks around mid-pic. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152932582005103set=a.498242950102 .395373.156382705102 Cheers, Jeff -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 4:40 AM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Billion-Pixel View of Mars Comes From Curiosity Rover http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-205 Billion-Pixel View of Mars Comes From Curiosity Rover Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 19, 2013 PASADENA, Calif. -- A billion-pixel view from the surface of Mars, from NASA's Mars rover Curiosity, offers armchair explorers a way to examine one part of the Red Planet in great detail. The first NASA-produced view from the surface of Mars larger than one billion pixels stitches together nearly 900 exposures taken by cameras onboard Curiosity and shows details of the landscape along the rover's route. The 1.3-billion-pixel image is available for perusal with pan and zoom tools at: http://mars.nasa.gov/bp1/ . The full-circle scene surrounds the site where Curiosity collected its first scoops of dusty sand at a windblown patch called Rocknest, and extends to Mount Sharp on the horizon. It gives a sense of place and really shows off the cameras' capabilities, said Bob Deen of the Multi-Mission Image Processing Laboratory at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. You can see the context and also zoom in to see very fine details. Deen assembled the product using 850 frames from the telephoto camera of Curiosity's Mast Camera instrument, supplemented with 21 frames from the Mastcam's wider-angle camera and 25 black-and-white frames -- mostly of the rover itself -- from the Navigation Camera. The images were taken on several different Mars days between Oct. 5 and Nov. 16, 2012. Raw single-frame images received from Curiosity are promptly posted on a public website at: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/ . Mars fans worldwide have used those images to assemble mosaic views, including at least one gigapixel scene. The new mosaic from NASA shows illumination effects from variations in the time of day for pieces of the mosaic. It also shows variations in the clarity of the atmosphere due to variable dustiness during the month while the images were acquired. NASA's Mars Science Laboratory project is using Curiosity and the rover's 10 science instruments to investigate the environmental history within Gale Crater, a location where the project has found that conditions were long ago favorable for microbial life. Malin Space Science Systems, San Diego, built and operates Curiosity's Mastcam. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington and built the Navigation Camera and the rover. More information about the mission is online at:
Re: [meteorite-list] Billion-Pixel View of Mars Comes From Curiosity Rover
I'm still stinging from JPL omitting one of the full-frame images from the initial series. Repeated requests to add it to the raw media directory were promptly and courteously ignored in the order they were received. I know it exists, because it exists in their own Pano. My software stitching is substantially better than theirs, and I spent a boatload of time on that series before realizing that they'd withheld one frame. Still irritates me enough that I'm just ignoring the entire mission now. ;-) --- Jodie Wednesday, June 19, 2013, 11:39:35 AM, you wrote: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-205 Billion-Pixel View of Mars Comes From Curiosity Rover Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 19, 2013 PASADENA, Calif. -- A billion-pixel view from the surface of Mars, from NASA's Mars rover Curiosity, offers armchair explorers a way to examine one part of the Red Planet in great detail. The first NASA-produced view from the surface of Mars larger than one billion pixels stitches together nearly 900 exposures taken by cameras onboard Curiosity and shows details of the landscape along the rover's route. The 1.3-billion-pixel image is available for perusal with pan and zoom tools at: http://mars.nasa.gov/bp1/ . The full-circle scene surrounds the site where Curiosity collected its first scoops of dusty sand at a windblown patch called Rocknest, and extends to Mount Sharp on the horizon. It gives a sense of place and really shows off the cameras' capabilities, said Bob Deen of the Multi-Mission Image Processing Laboratory at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. You can see the context and also zoom in to see very fine details. Deen assembled the product using 850 frames from the telephoto camera of Curiosity's Mast Camera instrument, supplemented with 21 frames from the Mastcam's wider-angle camera and 25 black-and-white frames -- mostly of the rover itself -- from the Navigation Camera. The images were taken on several different Mars days between Oct. 5 and Nov. 16, 2012. Raw single-frame images received from Curiosity are promptly posted on a public website at: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/ . Mars fans worldwide have used those images to assemble mosaic views, including at least one gigapixel scene. The new mosaic from NASA shows illumination effects from variations in the time of day for pieces of the mosaic. It also shows variations in the clarity of the atmosphere due to variable dustiness during the month while the images were acquired. NASA's Mars Science Laboratory project is using Curiosity and the rover's 10 science instruments to investigate the environmental history within Gale Crater, a location where the project has found that conditions were long ago favorable for microbial life. Malin Space Science Systems, San Diego, built and operates Curiosity's Mastcam. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington and built the Navigation Camera and the rover. More information about the mission is online at: http://www.nasa.gov/msl and http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/ . You can follow the mission on Facebook and Twitter at: http://www.facebook.com/marscuriosity and http://www.twitter.com/marscuriosity . For more information about the Multi-Mission Image Processing Laboratory, see: http://www-mipl.jpl.nasa.gov/mipex.html . Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 2013-205 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
Not buying it, at least not at face value. Quite literally doesn't add up. It would have to survive at least another five orbits after Mir broke up. And it would have been a very light piece. That's five orbits AFTER its OBSERVED reentry! My simulation puts it within a few kilometers altitude of the US Army's tracking on Kwajalein Atoll, so I figure I can't be too far off, this is what the final track + 4 more orbits would have looked like. Even in that last orbit, it would have to be pretty perturbed to make it there! My atmospheric interface is based on archived data, but out there, the data isn't fantastic -- hence the probable reason I'm at 128km vs the actual 120km significant interface, and why I'm at 93km when the US Army's observation is at 90km. If you told me it was found in Fiji, Australia, New Zealand - I'd probably take a closer look at it. East Coast of the US? Psh. No. Here's my reentry model + 4 orbits http://spaceballoon.org/mir-reentry.png --- Jodie Sunday, June 16, 2013, 9:39:41 PM, you wrote: Hi List, There is something about this object that doesn't seem to add up. The claim is that it is a piece of an old Mir space station. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/14/rock-found-in-amesbury-backyard-came-from-space-station/ Comments? Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?
Hello Carl,
A janitor huffing tile adhesive whilst emptying trash cans in some
administrative back office at NASA probably doesn't lend much
credibility, even if he's crashing in his van outside a Holiday Inn
Express every night.
Wild claims abound.
But regardless of who is making the claim, they're going to have to
show us what managed to impart the energy to fling it five more times around
the earth
after the ultimate interface. And since they _can't_ do that, the
problem is solved by default, and I don't much care what their name is.
[which is probably why we don't see any well-respected names {or any
at all...} associated with it]. If it were even a couple thousand km back up
the ground
track, we could have a discussion - it's not, and we can't.
Physics talks, and the rest of it walks.
--- Jodie
Monday, June 17, 2013, 11:13:36 AM, you wrote:
Elton,
As always you make some very good points.
I agree that this is a glassy slag. But, the question is; Where did it come
from?
Did the MIR have any glass that could have melted upon re-entry?
And who at NASA said it came from MIR? To me those are the critical
questions because if for example A fellow at NASA named Grossman or
Korotev said it I would tend to believe them. No need for pigeon
holing material because it looks like slag. I know this is a
stretch but, Some meteorites do look like slag. Look close at a hand
specimen ( not a photo) of Vaca Muerta .
Carl
meteoritemax
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MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com wrote:
I don't know which is a sadder example of failed science education: some
NASA water cooler engineer issuing a positive ID/letter of authenticity
for something impossible and under the color of authority of NASA--(Another
waste-fraud and abuse complaint to be made) OR the entire met central
membership and not one poster can recognize silicate == slag ===on sight.
( I am not saying that everyone should be a slag expert just that there
should be more experts with critical vs casual identification skills given
all the talent represented here.)
A bit more than a few would-be meteorite experts need to spend an extra 3
hours of field time getting to know == slag == because I can't think of a
location in the lower 48, nor in all of Europe that would be farther than 3
hours max from a graveled path or railroad that doesn't have tons of it on
the surface. ( I've found slag in Alaska but not in Hawaii where natural
slag is known as pahoe-pahoe)
I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually
everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left
abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen
couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad
within miles. I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail
right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his
meteor-wrong along.
Ever since the industrial revolution, the smelting industry has been finding
every possible way to get rid of it. I know of whole islands and whole
mountains of slag. Green glassy foamy slag is the most common owing to the
buoyancy of silicated minerals rising to the top of the mix in any ore
smelting. Depending on the pre-processing inefficiency, there can be lots
more slag than metal on each run--hence the need to farm the stuff off on
others being thankful they had a use for it! Ballast for road beds, dumping
it off shore( See The Great Lake Emerald Meteorite saga) or using it for
shoreline erosion control or using it as gravel for paving are just a few.
It is literally everywhere.
It just takes some experience and exposure to become a slag expert. I know
first hand after sending some charcoal bearing volcanic glass to the
Smithsonian for radio-carbon dating a hither-to-unknown volcano from middle
Tennessee. Mr Harold Banks returned the sample with a nice letter telling
that 12 year old that his slag wasn't suitable for dating. I later found
that I had pulled it from a Civil War Cannonball foundry. Point: slag is
everywhere even if the original source is long gone. The slag last forever
for human understanding, even across cultures and ages. There are
pre-historic slag piles on Cyprus, Italy, Greece, Egypt etc. It is a
fallacy of logic to believe that something can't be slag because you don't
know exactly how it came to be in a location. Seems that to believe it
therefore came from space seems to be the corollary which always follows.
The most frequent meteor-wrong brought in for identification, we should all
get to know it by characteristic and by sight so that the kinds of
disruptions we see every few weeks by the novice insisting that it couldn't
be slag and must be a meteorite could be simply answered in the FAQ section.
Regards,
Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] Of Martian Rodents
Xerus martis ? Atlantoxerus martis? Looks like good eatin'! Curiosity does have that [PEW PEW PEW!] laser for a reason, right? --- Jodie Saturday, June 1, 2013, 9:06:50 AM, you wrote: History repeats itself. Rats hitched rides on boats and infested many islands like Hawaii. It is clear to any student of history that the rat hitched a ride on Curiosity and died of disappointment when he realized he had not landed on our cheese filled moon but instead had landed on Mars. The present residents of Mars are now inserting probes into the rat with plans of reviving him and sending him back to earth to spy on us. Makes perfect sense to me ... Mendy From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 8:40 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Of Martian Rodents Sales of all Martian rodents are hereby suspended until further notice. http://www.zdnet.com/was-a-squirrel-discovered-on-mars-716191/ -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes
Hello Martin, First of all, Adam, I noticed, watchin my niecesnephew, that the U.S.-educational system attaches importance to impart patriotism. Just the opposite. Our current educational system is intended to indoctrinate Socialism to as wide an extent as possible. Adam, isn't paying taxes an act of patriotism? No. In fact: the tipping-point for the founding of our country was the protest of excessive taxation and taxation without representation. Our system of taxation is armed thugs pointing a gun at your head and demanding one pay the protection fees or suffer the consequences. Those fees go into supporting the purchase of more power and more leverage - the remainder goes to support the half of the country that doesn't have to pay taxes, the intent of course being to buy those votes thereby insuring the continuation of the reign of terror, and the increase of burden assumed by the producers to support the leeches. Right now, we're only required to collect sales tax for states where we have a physical presence. In our case, five states. With the new system, we'd be required to completely change the business rules in our systems, and assume the burden of having to distribute those funds which is a tremendous expense in accounting. The upshot is that everything in our catalog will go up by 10% to the end-user to cover the increased overhead. [Our attorney assures me I couldn't get away with instituting a big-government support test and adjusting the end-user prices based on that, so everyone has to pay.] The idea behind state taxes being collectable in that state and not outside of it was to prevent the Stupid of individual states from splattering into less stupid states. The King of Stupid has other ideas, however, and once they started dumping on the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, they just haven't stopped. Germany: Yeah, my grandmother sacrificed everything to escape, my mom in swaddling, because America promised something better. Sucker! --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Digital Camera for Studio Photography
With the caveat that a crop sensor (APS-C) provides magnification over the effective full-frame lens rating. So if a lens is 1:1 at 35mm on the Canon APS-C sensor it'll effectively be 1.6:1 I'd rather have less pixel density on the same size sensor (lower megapixels) to get better low-light performance and sharper imaging (for technical reasons beyond the scope of this reply that you may read thousands upon thousands of pages of on the Interwebz). The OMG megapixels! thing is largely just marketing scam these days. Agreed on the lens thing. I have single pieces of glass worth more than all my camera bodies combined. (In the interest of full disclosure, I haven't been a Nikon fan since the film days. I shoot the Canon 20Da, 50D, 5DmkII, and the 7D - the 5DmkII is a full frame camera, the rest are crop-sensors) --- Jodie Sunday, May 5, 2013, 10:51:14 PM, you wrote: Greg, List, the megapixel capability is something I should consider... On the question of choosing a digital interchangeable lens camera, the comparison that comes to mind is with film cameras. 35mm film (which most would consider the standard for comparison) is roughly the equivalent of 14+ megapixels, so if you want a digital as good as the best 35mm camera, 16mp is the minimum you should aim for. The sensors in digital cameras are not as large as a frame of 35mm film. The largest (and most expensive) digital sensors are about the APS film size. (APS is the Advanced Photo System introduced by Kodak just as film was dying for good.) It's 2/3rds the size of a 35mm frame. Nikon DX, Pentax and Sony use an APS-C sensor of 23.6mm x 15.7mm. Canon uses a smaller 22.2mm x 14.8mm APS-C sensor and a larger APS-H sensor that's 28.7mm x 19mm (with a good-sized price jump between them; you won't have any trouble telling them apart). Both Nikon and Canon (and Sony and Samsung) have brought out cameras with 20 to 24 megapixels (and larger sensors). And, paradoxically, once you start, you will end up spending far more on lenses than you do on cameras. The last system camera I bought was chosen for value, but I now have nine lenses for it, most of which cost more than the camera, and I am even now counting up my pennies for the next lens... (It may be a disease.) Enjoy your jump into the Money Pit. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 2:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Digital Camera for Studio Photography Hello All, I am starting to look for a DSLR camera for studio photography of meteorites, minerals and similar. I figured the best source for opinions would be here so anyone with experience in this I would appreciate your suggestions. I am looking for something that has the best quality for price but want to consider all possibilities regardless of cost so I can improve my images. I will also like suggestions on different lens options to go from macro to ??mm so I can get microscopic depth along with stand back and photo a large meteorite if needed without changing lenses. As I read a little today, the megapixel capability is something I should consider. Thank you in advance on whatever info and suggestions you can provide! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Digital Camera for Studio Photography
Hello Greg, If you're going to do a macro lens, you also need a ring-light. I have a 1-5x (1:1 - 5:1) Canon MP-E, but these days I prefer using the Canon 100 f/2.8L Macro w/ISM (1:1) The close-focus on it is only about a foot though. At 67mm it fits nicely with most any common ring-light system. At 100mm, selective AF/full-time manual, it's not a one trick pony in that it's a pretty fast lens that one can stand-off with and use for a lot of different tasks with nice soft bokka, ultrasonic focus and lens stabilization, so I can also use it out in the field for things like photographing bugs and still get enough depth-of-field to get environmental cues. http://www.cabirds.com/index.php/Not-Birds/Bees/beefour http://www.cabirds.com/index.php/Not-Birds/Damsel-and-Dragonflies/Damsel_0333 If you're setting up a lab environment, the Canon 65mm MP-E, with a close focus of 0.8ft and 1-5x magnification can fill an entire full-frame from a single water droplet. Strictly manual focus, no bells and whistles, it's all about the macro - useless for anything else. --- Jodie Sunday, May 5, 2013, 1:35:55 PM, you wrote: Thanks Jim! Sounds like your 'ingredients' of parts will go nicely with my custom made 'Transformer Studio' I built a couple years ago!! ;-) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Jim Wooddell Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 3:38 PM To: Greg Hupé ; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Digital Camera for Studio Photography Greg, Are you handy at building things? Olympus BH microscope base with adjustable X-Y Stage Nikon Bellows Various lenses Microscope objective adapter up to x40 E-plan A chunk of channel iron A two light adjustable microscope lighting system. Nikon D6000 is a good base! the lens and mounts are the key however. Or a cannon setup (bellows and base camera) Any you will have one heck of a nice macro set-up that will rival some $20,000 microscopes and more! Jim On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hello All, I am starting to look for a DSLR camera for studio photography of meteorites, minerals and similar. I figured the best source for opinions would be here so anyone with experience in this I would appreciate your suggestions. I am looking for something that has the best quality for price but want to consider all possibilities regardless of cost so I can improve my images. I will also like suggestions on different lens options to go from macro to ??mm so I can get microscopic depth along with stand back and photo a large meteorite if needed without changing lenses. As I read a little today, the megapixel capability is something I should consider. Thank you in advance on whatever info and suggestions you can provide! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Digital Camera for Studio Photography
I like having a ring-light I can sync (and also take out in the field): http://www.amazon.com/NEEWER%C2%AE-Macro-Ring-LED-Light/dp/B0031AQ302/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1367796840 I didn't pay retail - but man that is a screamin' deal too! --- Jodie Sunday, May 5, 2013, 3:47:44 PM, you wrote: Hi Mike and Everyone, I may have had one of the most important parts staring me right in the face for all these years, the ring light on my microscope! I never thought to take it off of it and attach to a camera, but on the other hand I have never owned a digital SLR camera so the obvious alluded me until now! Thank you all so far for the great input both here and privately, I appreciate it and please let me know your thoughts if you have not yet replied (if you would like to). Here is the ring light (Mini-Lamp 8w stamped on bottom) attached to my modest Baytronix 45x microscope that I absolutely love! http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/ringlight.jpg Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Mike Bandli Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 6:17 PM To: 'Jodie Reynolds' ; 'Greg Hupé' Cc: 'Meteorite List' Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Digital Camera for Studio Photography Hi All, For years I have been using this inexpensive ring light for macros and meteorite photography: http://www.staples.com/V-Light-Full-Spectrum-Clamp-on-Desktop-Magnifier-Blac k/product_850806 All you do is remove the center flip cover and center glass magnifier and you can stick your lens right through it. I use this lighting source along with indirect window light for best results. My camera setup is a Sony NEX-5N with Sony E 3.5/30 Macro lens. I can focus at a few cm distance with this great and comparably inexpensive macro lens. Best wishes, Mike -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jodie Reynolds Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 2:32 PM To: Greg Hupé Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Digital Camera for Studio Photography Hello Greg, If you're going to do a macro lens, you also need a ring-light. I have a 1-5x (1:1 - 5:1) Canon MP-E, but these days I prefer using the Canon 100 f/2.8L Macro w/ISM (1:1) The close-focus on it is only about a foot though. At 67mm it fits nicely with most any common ring-light system. At 100mm, selective AF/full-time manual, it's not a one trick pony in that it's a pretty fast lens that one can stand-off with and use for a lot of different tasks with nice soft bokka, ultrasonic focus and lens stabilization, so I can also use it out in the field for things like photographing bugs and still get enough depth-of-field to get environmental cues. http://www.cabirds.com/index.php/Not-Birds/Bees/beefour http://www.cabirds.com/index.php/Not-Birds/Damsel-and-Dragonflies/Damsel_033 3 If you're setting up a lab environment, the Canon 65mm MP-E, with a close focus of 0.8ft and 1-5x magnification can fill an entire full-frame from a single water droplet. Strictly manual focus, no bells and whistles, it's all about the macro - useless for anything else. --- Jodie Sunday, May 5, 2013, 1:35:55 PM, you wrote: Thanks Jim! Sounds like your 'ingredients' of parts will go nicely with my custom made 'Transformer Studio' I built a couple years ago!! ;-) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current
Re: [meteorite-list] Yale scientists confirm rock that hit Wolcott house was meteorite, might have caused Friday 'boom'
Hello Shawn, Wow - that takes some of the challenge out of hunting them! Where do I call to have them delivered by the Celestial Postal Service? --- Jodie Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 5:56:46 PM, you wrote: Hello Listers, It confirmed Wolcott had a meteorite fall and its in my neck of the woods kinda :) Take a look at the news link . Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html http://meteoritefalls.com/ By Martin O’Sullivan Special to the Register Yale scientists confirm rock that hit Wolcott house was meteorite, might have caused Friday 'boom' WOLCOTT — A rock that caused damage to a Wolcott home over the weekend has been confirmed by the Yale Peabody Museum of Natural History as a meteorite. Peabody spokeswoman Melanie Brigockas said it was determined to be one of the most common types of meteorites, ordinary chondrite. The meteorite has a thin, black crust from burning as it entered the Earth's atmosphere, and a light grey interior, according to a Peabody release. Larry Beck called the Police Department Saturday morning to report that a rock crashed through his roof Friday night. Although it had not been confirmed as such, “all indications say that it is probably a meteorite,” said Police Chief Edward Stephens earlier Tuesday. He said, after comparing pictures of actual meteorites to the rock in question, “it does appear to be a meteorite.” http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2013/04/23/news/doc5176cbca458bc888165062.txt __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ugandan sues U.S. over meteorite
Hello Jim, I thought it was called Progressive Agenda? --- Jodie Friday, April 19, 2013, 1:31:16 PM, you wrote: Actually, we do have a term for American scams. It's called Wall Street. Jim Strope 421 4th Street Glen Dale, WV. 26038 Sent from my iPad On Apr 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: What are you saying? Yes, except we don't really have a term for american scams other than scams, but Nigeria is the scam capital of the world, pretty much all the country is known for now. Everyone with a pulse and an electronic device has been victim of Nigerian scams. My comment was that this scam is so crazy, so over the top, demanding billions to trillions of dollars, it can only be described as Nigerian:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: Hi, If the roles of the players here were reassigned different nationalities—such that the complainant were American—would you be railing about this being...an American scam of some sort? On Apr 18, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: One can not just walk up and give a meteorite to the US embassy. None of this story makes any sense. Furthermore unless he has a receipt, he would have nothing to file a claim. He also would have some trouble since that was more than 20 years ago! Like I said, Nigerian scam of some sort. Funny though. I'll sell him a nice Mbale for only a few million and call it a day. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, Let's make assumptions, shall we? Assume the man did give a Mbale meteorite to the US Embassy. Assume the Mbale stone in question is a large, museum-class individual with fresh crust, regmaglypts, and it weighs 2 kilos. Assume the meteorite was a loaner and the giver had the expectation or right to get it back at some point in the future. Even with all of those assumptions, the stone is worth, at most, a couple thousand dollars - tops, under the best of circumstances. If money is what the guy is after and he wants the fair market value, give him a new iPhone and a $200 iTunes gift card, and call it even. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 4/18/13, Dan Miller dannysp...@gmail.com wrote: I like the line where it says the value of the cargo or meteorite is worth billions if not trillions of dollars On Apr 18, 2013 1:38 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Billions or trillions of dollars for a chunk of Mbale? Somebody is smoking something. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 4/18/13, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: http://bit.ly/12qrXT9 Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodie
Re: [meteorite-list] Ugandan sues U.S. over meteorite
What about the swooning women he also demands in his letter? Thursday, April 18, 2013, 3:56:08 PM, you wrote: Hi List, Let's make assumptions, shall we? Assume the man did give a Mbale meteorite to the US Embassy. Assume the Mbale stone in question is a large, museum-class individual with fresh crust, regmaglypts, and it weighs 2 kilos. Assume the meteorite was a loaner and the giver had the expectation or right to get it back at some point in the future. Even with all of those assumptions, the stone is worth, at most, a couple thousand dollars - tops, under the best of circumstances. If money is what the guy is after and he wants the fair market value, give him a new iPhone and a $200 iTunes gift card, and call it even. Best regards, MikeG -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
Hello Phil [and list], Yes, but wouldn't this be a Hammer-and-Sickle Stone? ;-) --- Jodie Saturday, March 30, 2013, 1:42:14 PM, you wrote: I can't hammer home the importance of hammering out an agreement on this hammer issue. We don't need to fight hammer and tongs over it every time it comes up! It's true that when a hammerstone comes under the hammer, it usually brings more money. And hammerheads will lie about if it hit something. But must we really yammer on endlessly about what actually constitutes a hammer? It makes you want to go to the bar and get really hammered. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Met. Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com; Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers Goethe: Politician, writer, philosopher - NOT a meteoriticist. On 3/30/13 1:02 PM, Met. Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com wrote: Hi, According to world renowned meteoriticist, Goethe You must be Anvil or Hammer. Therefore all meteorites are hammer stones. Thank you Goethe for finally clearing up this long standing dilemma. I know that I will be able to sleep better tonight now that this has been settled. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 3:46 PM To: Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers Hi Anne, However..the topic was hammer stones. He stated ALL meteorites are hammer stones. That was the statement - Not that all meteorites are meteorites. Michael On 3/30/13 12:28 PM, Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: It is Reality Michael! If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: dellenit delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure. It is interesting to see someone so totally Convinced their perspective constitutes reality. Michael On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, delle...@aon.at delle...@aon.at wrote: so what, every meteorite is a hammer stone ! it struck planet earth d.u. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hamming it up with a 5.3 million $$$ meteorite.....
It's late and I'm sleepy, so maybe my math is off - but $53/gram for some unclassified iron?!? --- Jodie Friday, March 29, 2013, 3:14:10 AM, you wrote: Greeting, Wonder how much nickel poisoning he and his family have?? --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com: Hello Listers, found this article about ham, meteorite, and being worth 5.3 million big ones. Man, meteorites cost alot these days. Enjoy Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html http://meteoritefalls.com/ Asteroid used as ham press by Spanish farmer worth $5.3 million Faustino Asensio Lopez found the 220-pound prehistoric iron meteorite in 1980 in Ciudad Real, while tending livestock with his dad. A rock used by a Spanish farmer for more than 30 years to press ham has turned out to be an iron meteorite worth at least $5.3 million. Faustino Asensio Lopez found the 220-pound rock, which measures just 18-by-12.5-by-8 inches, as he was tending to livestock with his father in a field near Ciudad Real in 1980. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/asteroid-ham-press-spanish-farmer-worth-5-3-million-article-1.1301211#ixzz2OtHZ3pYT __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Bunch of Irregular Stones I Found (+How I Think They May Have Originated)
Hello Peter, You've well established that you find the community lacking in credibility and credential - so why not simply excuse yourself from the company of such and go find an expert whose credibility you DO respect? Why bring it to such a group of ignorant lameoids in the first place? I'm just curious what your goal is here: is it to prove something is or isn't a meteorite through the highest/loudest word-count, or are you attempting to establish their lack of credibility through same? Some point I'm missing altogether? It would clearly be counterintuitive to place any value on suggested resources from these unwashed heathens, so just a straight Google search for meteorite labs would turn up dozens of potential less-ignoramooses all across the United States. Good look with your stone! --- Jodie Saturday, March 23, 2013, 2:27:51 PM, you wrote: I disgree Phil, if there's a delusion it would be that whether or not they're the most knowledgeable meteorite people in the solar system, certain persons have all shown that, ostensibly due to laziness, or for lack of eloquence, they don't care to explain why it is they've (told) him it's not. Furthermore, the delusion would be that when it comes to being rude, provocative, and aggressive, I have little on certain persons who may, or may not be, considered experts in this field, but who do certainly seem to hold themselves in high esteem. Obviously, I am the newcomer here, so unlike others, I don't feel I have the right to simply critique someone without elaborating on my reasons, but I would suggest you take into account that it's not very ethical to do that, even if it's tolerated by well-respected persons and peers. Peter Richards On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: The delusion is when some dumb newbie finds a worthless chunk of slag and thinks it's a meteorite. When some of the most knowledgeable meteorite people in the Solar System tell him it's not, he still clings to his stupid belief. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Scientists Find Crater in Meteorite-Hit Lake
That'd be a good trick without vaporizing the lake... Thursday, March 21, 2013, 2:06:41 PM, you wrote: http://en.ria.ru/science/20130321/180166867.html Russian Scientists Find Crater in Meteorite-Hit Lake RIA Novosti March 21, 2013 MOSCOW, March 21 (RIA Novosti) - A radar probe of the bottom of Chebarkul Lake in Russia's Urals has revealed a crater possibly created by a fragment of a meteorite that exploded over the city of Chelyabinsk last month, a Russian scientist told RIA Novosti on Thursday. The meteorite broke into approximately seven large fragments and one of them is believed to have fallen into Chebarkul, forming a hole in the ice about eight meters in diameter. Analysis of minute rock fragments collected near the hole has confirmed that they are from a meteor. Tests revealed they were chondrite, which is the most abundant type of meteorite, and contained some 10 percent of iron. Scientists from Russia's Institute of Earth Magnetism, Ionosphere and Radio Wave Propagation (IZMIRAN) carried out a study of the lake's bottom using wide-band earth-sensing radars. A 3D image of the bottom shows a 3-meter crater that could have very probably been created by impact with a large meteorite fragment, said IZMIRAN researcher Alexey Popov. Popov said the crater is not located directly beneath the hole in the ice, but is some 10 meters to one side of it. Emergencies Ministry divers searching the site in February failed to find any traces of the meteorite as the bottom of the lake was covered in a thick layer of silt. The meteorite that slammed into the Urals region of central Russia on February 15 landed with a massive boom that blew out windows and damaged thousands of buildings around the city of Chelyabinsk, injuring 1,200 people in the area. Health officials say 52 people were hospitalized. NASA estimates the meteorite was roughly 15 meters (50 feet) in diameter when it struck Earth's atmosphere, travelling faster than the speed of sound, and exploded in a fireball brighter than the sun. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Sees GRAIL's Explosive Farewell
Hello Ron, I hereby dub the heretofore unnamed feature where GRAIL A rests as: Mount Ebbrest and where GRAIL B rests as: Massif Flower Make it so. --- Jodie Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 11:41:35 AM, you wrote: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-103 [CLIP!] Both impact sites lie on the southern slope of an unnamed massif [mountain] that lies south of the crater Mouchez and northeast of the crater Philolaus, said Robinson. The massif stands as much as 2,500 meters [about 8,202 feet] above the surrounding plains. The impact sites are at an elevation of about 700 meters [around 2,296 feet] and 1,000 meters [3,281 feet], respectively, about 500 to 800 meters [approximately 1,640 to 2,625 feet] below the summit. The two impact craters are about 2,200 meters [roughly 7,218 feet] apart. GRAIL B [renamed Flow] impacted about 30 seconds after GRAIL A [Ebb] at a site to the west and north of GRAIL A. [CLIP!] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hurricanes and rockets
Here are the first 25 shuttle missions, and their nearest tropical storms, depressions, and hurricanes. Only 8% of the first 25 coincided to two weeks. Maybe every single flight afterwards resulted in a Yes, but that's not work I'm interested in doing given the initial results. How about you create a spreadsheet like this showing that the next 110 flights resulted in a majority and then we'll do the work to confirm it instead? Flight Number Launch Date Nearest Hurricane Nearest Hurricane Date Two weeks? 1 Apr 12, 1981Trop Storm Arlene May 7, Cuba No 2 Nov 12, 1981Katrina Nov 3, Caymans No 3 Mar 22, 1982Alberto June 1, CubaNo 4 Jun 27, 1982Beryl August 29, Cape Verde No 5 Nov 11, 1982Trop Storm Ernesto Sept 23, Sept 30No 6 Apr 4, 1983 Trop Depression One July 29, Lesser Antilles No 7 Jun 18, 1983Trop Depression One July 29, Lesser Antilles No 8 Aug 30, 1983Barry July 24, BahamasNo 9 Nov 28, 1983Trop Storm Dean Sept 22, EC US No 10 Feb 3, 1984 Trop Depression One June 11, FloridaNo 11 Apr 6, 1984 Trop Depression One June 11, FloridaNo 12 Aug 30, 1984Trop Depression One Aug 31, Windward Islands No 13 Oct 5, 1984 Josephine October 8, Puerto Rico No 14 Nov 8, 1984 LiliDecember 20, Caribbean No 15 Jan 24, 1985Trop Storm Ana July 15, BermudaNo 16 Apr 12, 1985Trop Storm Ana July 15, BermudaNo 17 Apr 29, 1985Trop Storm Ana July 15, BermudaNo 18 Jun 17, 1985Trop Storm Ana July 15, BermudaNo 19 Jul 29, 1985Claudette August 10, East US Yes 20 Aug 27, 1985Elena August 28, Cuba No 21 Oct 3, 1985 Trop Storm Isabel October 5, Puerto Rico No 22 Oct 30, 1985KateNovember 15, BahamasYes 23 Nov 26, 1985Post Season--- Post Season No 24 Jan 12, 1986Trop Storm Andrew June 5, AntillesNo 25 Jan 28, 1986Trop Storm Andrew June 5, AntillesNo Sunday, March 10, 2013, 3:24:05 AM, you wrote: Spacex launched October 7th 2012 over the Pacific from Florida using mostly solid fuel propellant. two weeks later on October 29th we have hurricane Sandy. http://www.space.com/17942-spacex-dragon-space-cargo-launch-pictures.html http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/archives/2012/h2012_Sandy.html Cheers Steve Dunklee __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments
Hello Shawn, I'm not sure I see how it impacts religion all that greatly (in general) - and probably don't care much. Where I really differ is that science is going to hush it up - not on your life. The group who breaks _real_ related science is going to be rolling in more money than Capt. Kirk. Scientists don't work that way - funding is always paramount. Being first to publish is the be-all-end-all. Publish or Perish. And being known as the one to first break that news and rewrite every science book in existence for all of eternity would be entirely too tempting for anyone to take a pass on it. If I were certain I had that in-hand, I'd publish in a heartbeat. --- Jodie Tuesday, March 12, 2013, 6:45:20 PM, you wrote: I would say Mc kays theory is more plausible than Wickramasing. Mckay does make some good points, but in science, its about proof, and I think for the next 50 years or longer, science will keep it hush hush and on the lid if there is really life on Mars, because once that is out in the open, there goes religion, well some, that are based around the all mighty being. But at any rate, I do enjoys Mckays theory, his makes since, but other scientist have argued that the fossil remains can be synthesized in the lab. Well anything can be synthesized in the lab today :). However, without these crazy ideas about life in meteorites, or fossils in Martian stones, where would we be with science in meteoritics. If I do remember correctly, stones falling from space was blasphemous, you would be shunned in the science world around the 1700's for even trying to suggest that. It all comes down to timing, technology and the meteorite that has life :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html http://meteoritefalls.com/ From: Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net; Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Mike Groetz mpg4...@gmail.com; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments Really!? I didn't think anybody believed McKay's thoroughly debunked theory any more. http://www.space.com/18414-mars-meteorite-life-arctic-rocks-qanda.html Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com; Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Mike Groetz mpg4...@gmail.com; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments Hi Phil, I haven't read Wickramasinge. I do hold stock in panspermic theory. In particular, the findings of water, amino acids, etc. in the meteorites I mentioned. The NASA/JPL paper New Evidence of Life Forms in Martian Meteorites descibing and illustrating what seven of their best have concluded are life forms in Nakhla and AH84001 was particularly convincing to me. That SUV sized lab that we spent a few hundred million to put on Mars, was sent there for the admitted purpose of solving our disagreement for us. You may have watched and listened to the first report of Curiosity's findings today streamed on the web. The Nasa team was about to pee their pants having the opportunity to confirm that in the first drilling of a rock on Mars, they have proven an environment existed that would have beeen amiable to life. It will get better Regards, Guido -Original Message- From: Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com Sent: Mar 12, 2013 9:42 AM To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Mike Groetz mpg4...@gmail.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments Hello Count, All that stuff has been debunked long ago, no need to beat dead horses. That is unless some new evidence has been discovered. If you have new evidence, I'd love to hear it. Seriously, you think the work of Chandra Wickramasinghe is worthy of discussion? Please proceed. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com Cc: Mike Groetz mpg4...@gmail.com; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments Hi List, Meteorite Mike has said .. are hereby suspended... and Phil wrote ..too dumb to discuss.. Darn. I was hoping to sell my Nakhla, Murchison and Allende
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA5400
Dear Professor Agee, The IAU's decision to go all rogue on the definition of a planet, dwarf-planet, minor-planet, [iamnotaplanet, iamtooaplanet, someplanetnamedstan] doesn't leave me with a warm and fuzzy about calling Earth a planet. Cleared our orbit - I'm not even certain that's necessarily the case... But then, having spent my formative years haunting Lowell Observatory, I've got a dog in that fight and I'm pretty compromised intellectually/emotionally on the whole topic. I agree that today the IAU defines 4Vesta as a minor planet the same as any other asteroid, though it's larger and with more of a cleared orbit than Makemake or probably Haumea, both dwarf planets per the IAU, and not far behind Ceres. I'm not at all confident the IAU won't change their mind tomorrow** and turn it into a dwarf planet with the same total lack of regard and status as Pluto received. --- Jodie ** 4Vesta appears to have far more hydrostatic equilibrium than dwarf-planet Haumea, and it appears to have cleared its neighborhood more than any of the other Small Solar System Bodies excepting Ceres, per Resolution 5A. Resolution 5B would have cleared a lot of that up, but 5A was passed and 5B shot down, go figger, and now we need to worry about trans-Neptunian dwarf planets that aren't planets at all but bear the name 'planet' ;-) Monday, March 11, 2013, 7:41:12 AM, you wrote: Hi Pete, Aubrites and enstatite chondrites also plot on the oxygen isotope terrestrial fractionation line (TFL) and up to now they are not proven to be from planets. So being on the TFL doesn't make the meteorite planetary. But I guess it depends on your definition of planetaries, I would only put lunars and martians in that category, but not HEDs. Last time I checked, 4 Vesta the hypothesized HED parent body, was still an asteroid, not a planet. I see no reason to consider NWA 5400 planetary. On the other hand, if someone did an age-date on it, and it came up with a crystallization age much more recent than ~4.5 B.Y., then things would get interesting. This is because asteroidal achondrites have ages ~4.5 B.Y., whereas planets tend to have younger basalts. Likewise, the search for meteorites from Mercury or Venus should include igneous crystallization ages as part of the proof. Carl Agee Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:20 AM, pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com wrote: Since this tracks on the terestial O2 line, can this be concidered a planetary meteorite, along with the Lunars, Martians, as well as Asteroid 4 vesta? Would these be the only 4 planitaries so far or has maybe Mecrury checked in with a sample of it's own? Pete IMCA 1733 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How much will your meteorites be worth in the FUTURE?
Hello Steve, I agree, we're unlikely to launch asteroids into space. Doing so is prohibitively expensive, both in Delta-V and in having to create the asteroid to toss it out there in the first place... _Returning_ materials from an asteroid would actually be quite cost-effective - gravity does all the work. As far as most Hurricanes [sic] [starting] over the area of a rocket launch: How many rocket launches are occurring off the coast of Africa anyway? I wasn't aware they were lobbing so much stuff into space there! Hurricanes form when 80F+ (26.5C+) water of at least 150ft (45.7m) coincide with an area of low atmospheric pressure. Winds are attracted into the center of that depression, pushed by areas of higher pressure. The warm water heats the air and it rises up from the center of the depression. The ocean coughs-up the warm waters and high moisture content, feeding it energy, and it begins to rise faster and faster around the center. Thermodynamics does the rest. If everything works-out for it, conditions-wise, that tropical depression will develop into a tropical storm and finally into the swirling maelstrom of a hurricane. By the time it hits the US it is radically weakening due to the much colder waters and air. They die before penetrating very far because they just can't last in the cold[er] air, there's just not enough energy to extract from it. As much as anyone might desire to HAARP on alternative speculation - it's hard to alter the physics. --- Jodie Sunday, March 10, 2013, 12:58:55 AM, you wrote: I believe the site forgot to mention the primary value of astroids will be as material we do not have to launch into space. The metals and anything with water will have a great value for use in space construction, but the achondrites that lack metal with have little value in space construction. The cost of bringing anything back to earth from space will preserve metorite prices, with the possible exception of achondrites ans lunars. Bringing samples back from mars would in most cases increase the price as we would have to build a facility to launch vehicals from mars which is why most reasonable proposed mars missions are a one way trip with no return. A space elevator would would lower costs some but the biggest Problem of sending stuff into space is the large hole it makes in the ozone layer every time we send up a rocket. Launches of the shuttle over the US in the 1980s caused disruptions in the weather which included a rare tornado in december in michigan. and most Hurricanes have been exactly two weeks after a major launch of a rocket over the area of the hurricane. Cheers Steve Dunklee --- On Sun, 3/10/13, h...@meteorhall.com h...@meteorhall.com wrote: From: h...@meteorhall.com h...@meteorhall.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How much will your meteorites be worth in the FUTURE? To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, March 10, 2013, 6:53 AM Looking into the crystal pallasite ball, in the year 2025, I see achondrite fragments at $1.00 per gram! However, they will lack the beautiful fusion crust of our meteorites. Besides, due to the UN Universal Museum Convention of 2035, all of our meteorites will be confiscated as historical and/or cultural artifacts...JUST KIDDING! Just fooling. That doesn't happen until 2075. :-) Fred Hello Listers Ever wonder how much an asteroid would yield in profit, gold, platinum, o2, hydrogen? Well a website called http://www.asterank.com/ has done that. There are over 600,000 asteroids and counting that are listed on the website, where one can categorize in value, profit, or accessibility. Germania is value at $100 trillion with estimated value return to be around $97 trillion. However, Germania is located 3.3 AU, so the distance can be a factor, but once technology improves, asteroids will have endless supplies of natural resources. Lastly, There has been talks that by 2014, there will be asteroid hunting space crafts in orbit. Now in 20 to 30 year, will meteors coming into Earths atmosphere and impacting with the Earth be the thing of the past? What will that do to meteorite collecting and will prices increase or decrease because the average joe can go to the local Walmart and pick up a rock kit with over 5 pounds of rock from space? Or will it make the meteorite a rare commodified object, more or less a reminder of what once was a common occurrence but now is story left told in the history books, and meteorites will be view a relics and controlled artifact? Only time will tell :) But til then, check out http://www.asterank.com/ and plan your next expedition to an asteroid :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html http://meteoritefalls.com/
Re: [meteorite-list] Hurricanes and rockets
Hello Steve, Sunday, March 10, 2013, 3:24:05 AM, you wrote: Spacex launched October 7th 2012 over the Pacific from Florida I see you're as strong in Geography as you are in Video Forensics and Cyclogenesis/Meteorology. [As an interesting aside, the formation of the first Meteorological Office occured after the Royal Charter Storm in the 1850s, the best documented hurricane at the time, resulting in at least 800 dead. I am curious what the dinosaurs were using to generate the required lift for their hurricanes though. I'm sure you'd make a splash in Paleotempestology too! --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hurricanes and rockets
Hello Steve, For the geographically challenged: Hurricane Sandy came ashore in New Jersey. About ELEVEN HUNDRED miles from Cape Canaveral. Which, give a few hundred miles, is the closest distance from Florida to the Pacific. Sandy began as a Tropical Wave in the Caribbean on October 9th. Tropical Storm Sandy then hit Jamaica'mon on October 24th and was upgraded to a hurricane at that point. There were, within a very tight constraint, the same number of hurricanes in the period around 1855-1874 as their were from 1975-1994 http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/images/atlhist_lowres.gif And that was in a period before modern reporting versus advanced climatology. There were more in the 1930's to 1950's (pre-space-race) than there were post-lunar-landing. Here's the major hurricanes since 1851: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/images/1851_2010_mjrhurr.jpg If you think you see a pattern of they're hitting around where launches happen (assuming they did in the 1800's, a pretty poor assumption) - launches happen at the equator, or as close to it as a country can get, because the rotation of the earth offers-up additional free escape energy. The diameter of the earth is about 8000mi * PI ~= 25,000 miles. The surface of the earth at the equator is moving around 1040mph, where even just 28.5 degrees north, at Kennedy, it's only moving at 900mph. The fuel required to overcome even that 140mph when we're talking about several million pounds is tremendous. The free boost is a financial and technical key! Hurricanes are born near the equator because that's the area of warmest waters and favorable winds. There's actually a very small sweet-spot for their birth along each major coast. Sunday, March 10, 2013, 3:24:05 AM, you wrote: Spacex launched October 7th 2012 over the Pacific from Florida using mostly solid fuel propellant. two weeks later on October 29th we have hurricane Sandy. http://www.space.com/17942-spacex-dragon-space-cargo-launch-pictures.html http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/archives/2012/h2012_Sandy.html Cheers Steve Dunklee __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ALTERNATIVE dealing with eBay Fraud! JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
Hi Don and List, Yes there will be a set price and yes you can still use PayPal to have Buyers purchase your meteorites, but Bam...no eBay fees, no negative feedback no bull crap! Maybe a little closer to rocket science, but if you still want to offer bidding, there are open-source bidding engines out there that can be installed on your site allowing for a very similar experience to fleabay without the negatives you note. You're still going to need to generate your own traffic which is what eBay is really offering, but you can simulate the experience. I've set up WeBid (http://www.webidsupport.com) on numerous sites, and it's pretty capable these days. Of course, there are others both free and not-so-free. Just a thought to answer a limitation you noted. --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ALTERNATIVE dealing with eBay Fraud! JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
Hi MikeG, I've never studied your market, so I have absolutely no clue how you drive traffic, what your traffic volume is, what your sell-through looks like, or how you manage your pipeline - so I'm just going to take your word for it - I honestly don't have any interest, vested or otherwise, in learning your [collective-your] market. The general topics of eCommerce, shopping carts, running ones own auction engine, interfacing to merchant gateways, that sorta thing - I have some experience there. We run our own heavily modified OSCommerce servers, but that is a lot more like rocket science, just maintaining them is full-time work for multiple people. WeBid is fairly easily integrated into most shopping carts that you control the source-code for and allows you to offer a bidding engine, as I say, there are others (including some specifically integrated into the OSCommerce platform). We don't sell on eBay anymore because it's just too difficult to differentiate ourselves, our money is better spent driving our own traffic - but that's after years of experience in our own market, I can't speak to yours at all. --- Jodie Saturday, March 2, 2013, 4:51:11 PM, you wrote: Sure, eBay has a massive traffic base. But, the vast majority of those visitors have zero interest in meteorites. At any given time, the amount of visitors on eBay who are looking to purchase a meteorite is a tiny percentage of the overall traffic base. By paying eBay fees, you are basically purchasing access to their other visitors, in the hopes that somebody will purchase your wares who wouldn't have normally seen your offering outside of eBay. That holds true for people buying iPhone accessories, DVD's, laptops, and sports jerseys, but the amount of those visitors looking to buy a meteorite is vanishingly small. I would bet, that at any given moment, this mailing list has just as many (or more) members than people on eBay buying meteorites. This List has what, a 1000 members or so? I would be highly surprised if there are a 1000 people on eBay right now buying meteorites. When dealing with niche items like meteorites, paying for access to eBay's traffic base is a game of vanishing returns. I drive more traffic to my store listings each day than eBay draws to my meteorite auctions. I would post a 7-day auction on eBay and it might get 50 views, or 100 if I was lucky. In that same period of time, I get triple that on my website. Now, eBay is great for buyers. I love being a buyer on eBay. eBay caters to me, kisses my feet, fans me, and feeds me grapes. I can be a total buffoon and buy fake items with little or no caution or research. And when I get burned, I can file a dispute with eBay, get my money back and keep the item. It's a win-win for buyers. Best regards, MikeG PS - want to free yourself from the chains of eBay? Use HighWire eCommerce - http://app.highwire.com/?ref=meteorite I have been using HighWire for almost 5 years now with no problems and very little downtime. It was the best thing I ever did when it comes to trading meteorites - it gives you a selling platform that you control. I don't have some eBay clown looking over my shoulder and nitpicking my listings or strong-arming me for ever-increasing fees. On 3/2/13, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote: Hi Don and List, Yes there will be a set price and yes you can still use PayPal to have Buyers purchase your meteorites, but Bam...no eBay fees, no negative feedback no bull crap! Maybe a little closer to rocket science, but if you still want to offer bidding, there are open-source bidding engines out there that can be installed on your site allowing for a very similar experience to fleabay without the negatives you note. You're still going to need to generate your own traffic which is what eBay is really offering, but you can simulate the experience. I've set up WeBid (http://www.webidsupport.com) on numerous sites, and it's pretty capable these days. Of course, there are others both free and not-so-free. Just a thought to answer a limitation you noted. --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ALTERNATIVE dealing with eBay Fraud! JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
but I spend at least 8 hours a day, every day, driving traffic online. It is time-consuming, but one can make a routine out of it. Aha! See, you're running a real business. 8 hrs a day invested in marketing activities, what, a couple hours a day in shipping and support, minimum? Then you have inventory maintenance and procurement? A lot of these sellers don't look like they're running more than a toy-business, investing 12hrs/day into it is going to hurt their Day Job. ;-) Yeah, you definitely don't need to be on eBay, that's not going to scale the way running your own site will. eBay has some definite value-proposition for the part-timer, but not for the likes of you. --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible that comet will hit mars next year!!!
Hello Graham, With the current orbit from the MPC, my simulation has it missing Mars by a little over 700,000km, or about the same distance again from the MRO as MRO is from Mars at its furthest (according to what I've read of its altitude above the surface). Of course, I think everyone is anxiously awaiting every update as we get closer, to close the gap on uncertainty! I've yet to be able to dig up orbital elements for MRO. By my simulation, HST will be on the other side of the planet from closest approach and its view will be occluded. I'd love to figure out where MRO will be though - assuming that this first-blush ends-up being anywhere close to reality, and MRO is in position to train its instrumentation on C/2013 A1, and being the same distance from the comet that it is from Mars, the science could be _incredibly fortunate_, MRO paying for itself twice! --- Jodie Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 4:38:24 AM, you wrote: Has anyone come across this yet...unlikelybut would be quite an event? Just got this message from my nephew at Oxford Uni... There is a (admittedly slight) chance that a recently discovered comet, C/2013 A1 (Siding Spring), might be on a collision course with Mars in October 2014. Latest observations certainly include an impact possibility within the range of error. If it hits, estimates suggest a 500km wide, 2km deep crater arising from a ~20 Petaton event. That's something like 4 million times the (estimated) explosive power of the current global nuclear arsenal. Would be interesting to watch and see if any of the rovers on the surface manage to survive such an impact (I would imagine only possibly Curiosity but keeping lines of communication open with it might prove difficult). Might make for (eventually, but not in our lifetimes) some interesting future Martian meteorites. http://www.universetoday.com/100298/is-a-comet-on-a-collision-course-with-mars/ Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Watch out for ebay buyer caue they know nothing about meteorite collecting.
Hello Shawn, Wow, that's a lot of documentation for a $12 meteorite, I think he got a, dare I say, killer deal? Seriously, that guy's a moron. --- Jodie Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 12:50:01 PM, you wrote: Hello Listers Watch out for ebay buyer peterbilt701 It seems he knows nothing about meteorites and left a negative comment about a 354mg Valera meteorite fragment he won from me which is down below... Next time I will go out to my gravel pit and type up some BS about a rock Buyer: Member id peterbilt701 ( Feedback Score Of 29) Feb-27-13 05:29 http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2userid=peterbilt701ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers FYI about this buyer and hope sellers on ebay wont have to deal with him and get bashed. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html http://meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] two fireballs
[Note: frame references refer to my attached disassembly] Hello Chris and all, I agree: I don't see any impact event, certainly no shockwave is visible in the bright frames. I see the object of interest traveling away from the camera on a steep angle and, between blooming and DCT errors, obscuring itself. The digital iris tries its darndest to figure out what to do with itself, and actually makes some pretty good decisions around frame 63 giving us some pretty nice images. There certainly does appear, however, to be more than one parallel path suggesting more than one component of the mass by frame 65/66. There's also some pretty good sized component being shed earlier. Chris, have a look at frames 64-80 in this disassembly to see if you concur. The following is my disassembly of that video with strictly the relevant frames. No post-processing has been done, simply brought the original MP4 container down, decompressed the 1920x1080p/20fps transport into raw 8bit 4:2:0 YUV frames [the native frames], and mapped them into lossless 24bit PNGs. The video as I pulled it is an MPEG 4.2 container with AVC, High L4.0 Profile, VBR @ 4.714-9.011Mbps, 20fps constant, progressive 4:2:0 YUV 16:9 encoding. One reframe, GOP M=1,N=40. The original timecode is branded: UTC 2013-02-14 04:06:50, but there's no way of knowing how accurately the DVRs clock was maintained. 105 frames contained, ~102MB here: http://www.spaceballoon.org/chelyabinsk-meteor-frames-from-dash.zip Fair Use is assumed, and all rights are retained by their original holder. Best Regards, --- Jodie Monday, February 25, 2013, 5:05:46 PM, you wrote: You are confusing optical aberrations for what is happening physically. Not only are there no components of the fireball colliding with other components, but no shock wave structures are apparent, either. Analyzing very bright point sources in video is difficult, as there are lens reflections, lens distortion, and various sensor artifacts. It's hard to actually locate the center of the meteor from such data. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 2/25/2013 5:56 PM, Steve Dunklee wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenv=dBvotWfR3j4NR=1 26 seconds in on this video you clearly see two fireballs with the second one catching up to and impacting the first one. The first one makes a shockwave and area behind it with less air pressure. the shock wave at over 10k mph is like a brick wall and acts like a funnel. Like following an 18 wheel semi truck too close to save gas. when the truck hits its brakes the suv behind it impacts. and kaboom. Meteors donT HAVE BRAKES AND CANT CHANGE VECTORS. So when the first piece is slowed down the following ones catch up. Cheers Steve Dunklee __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] two fireballs
:2:0 Bit depth: 8 bits Scan type: Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.114 Stream size : 338 MiB (97%) Tagged date : UTC 2013-02-14 04:06:50 Audio ID : 2 Format : AAC Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Format profile : LC Codec ID : 40 Duration : 10mn 1s Bit rate mode: Variable Bit rate : 144 Kbps Maximum bit rate : 150 Kbps Channel(s) : 1 channel Channel positions: Front: C Sampling rate: 44.1 KHz Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 10.3 MiB (3%) Encoded date : UTC 2013-02-14 04:06:48 Tagged date : UTC 2013-02-14 04:06:50 Monday, February 25, 2013, 6:43:34 PM, you wrote: HI Yall I have a problem with this paragraph. The following is my disassembly of that video with strictly the relevant frames. No post-processing has been done, simply brought the original MP4 container down, decompressed the 1920x1080p/20fps transport into raw 8bit 4:2:0 YUV frames [the native frames], and mapped them into lossless 24bit PNGs. Most dash cams are 15fps and 640x280 not 1080p hd high resolution. especially considering the highest resolution youtube uses is 720p. Nice snow job. was pmg not mp4 Cheers Steve --- On Tue, 2/26/13, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote: From: Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] two fireballs To: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 1:51 AM [Note: frame references refer to my attached disassembly] Hello Chris and all, I agree: I don't see any impact event, certainly no shockwave is visible in the bright frames. I see the object of interest traveling away from the camera on a steep angle and, between blooming and DCT errors, obscuring itself. The digital iris tries its darndest to figure out what to do with itself, and actually makes some pretty good decisions around frame 63 giving us some pretty nice images. There certainly does appear, however, to be more than one parallel path suggesting more than one component of the mass by frame 65/66. There's also some pretty good sized component being shed earlier. Chris, have a look at frames 64-80 in this disassembly to see if you concur. The following is my disassembly of that video with strictly the relevant frames. No post-processing has been done, simply brought the original MP4 container down, decompressed the 1920x1080p/20fps transport into raw 8bit 4:2:0 YUV frames [the native frames], and mapped them into lossless 24bit PNGs. The video as I pulled it is an MPEG 4.2 container with AVC, High L4.0 Profile, VBR @ 4.714-9.011Mbps, 20fps constant, progressive 4:2:0 YUV 16:9 encoding. One reframe, GOP M=1,N=40. The original timecode is branded: UTC 2013-02-14 04:06:50, but there's no way of knowing how accurately the DVRs clock was maintained. 105 frames contained, ~102MB here: http://www.spaceballoon.org/chelyabinsk-meteor-frames-from-dash.zip Fair Use is assumed, and all rights are retained by their original holder. Best Regards, --- Jodie Monday, February 25, 2013, 5:05:46 PM, you wrote: You are confusing optical aberrations for what is happening physically. Not only are there no components of the fireball colliding with other components, but no shock wave structures are apparent, either. Analyzing very bright point sources in video is difficult, as there are lens reflections, lens distortion, and various sensor artifacts. It's hard to actually locate the center of the meteor from such data. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 2/25/2013 5:56 PM, Steve Dunklee wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenv=dBvotWfR3j4NR=1 26 seconds in on this video you clearly see two fireballs with the second one catching up to and impacting the first one. The first one makes a shockwave and area behind it with less air pressure. the shock wave at over 10k mph is like a brick wall and acts like a funnel. Like following an 18 wheel semi truck too close to save gas. when the truck hits its brakes the suv behind it impacts. and kaboom. Meteors donT HAVE BRAKES AND CANT CHANGE VECTORS. So when the first piece is slowed down the following ones catch up. Cheers Steve Dunklee
Re: [meteorite-list] two fireballs
Thanks Murray, This is definitely one of the more interesting videos I've seen. Very raw, high resolution, and the camera was just in the exact right position to show us why there were two lurking trails. I really enjoyed this video. Watching the bolide approach in the reflection of the little Sport-Cross (VW?) [Frames 15-44 inclusive] with that kind of detail just isn't something a standard-definition camera would have offered. There was enough attenuation in that reflection from the tint that the iris freaking out didn't impact the value. Anyway - my pleasure! That's got to be a once in a lifetime opportunity! --- Jodie Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:18:41 PM, you wrote: Hi Jodie: Fantastic images! Thanks for the converted files. I would never have realized that there was so much there! Murray On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote: Hello Steve, I have more than 70 patents in the space in nineteen countries. I'm the Chief Technology Officer for a company that designs and sells digital video surveillance equipment -- I sell close to 30,000 systems a year. My masters degrees are in mathematics and electrical engineering with an emphasis on optical physics, and I've been in the digital video space inventing compression algorithms for more than two dozen years. So, yeah, let's go ahead and investigate my snow job, shall we? Most cheap dash cameras being imported now are 1080p/30. 1080p/20 is a favored option to maximize SD card usage. They differ from ATSC in that they don't generally support 1080p/60. For Example: http://www.amazon.com/1080P-Dashboard-Camera-Accident-Vision/dp/B0099KGDQ2 http://www.rakuten.com/prod/new-real-hd-1080p-h264-5m-car-dashboard-camera-recorder-accident-dvr/225640553.html?listingId=174887992 http://www.espow.com/product_info.php?products_id=50672currency=USDgsc=googleshoppinggclid=CMfrtJmH07UCFYKDQgodMSoAAQ http://www.ebay.com/itm/Full-Car-DVR-HD-1080P-Cam-Recorder-Camcorder-Vehicle-Dashboard-Camera-F900LHD-/251182177426?pt=US_Surveillance_Digital_Video_Recorders_Cardshash=item3a7b9fdc92 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Car-DVR-HD-1080P-Cam-Recorder-Camcorder-Vehicle-Dashboard-Camera-Hot-Sale-/330840799556?pt=US_Surveillance_Digital_Video_Recorders_Cardshash=item4d07a5f944 http://www.ebay.com/itm/GPS-FULL-HD-1080P-Car-Camera-DVR-GPS-Logger-Vehicle-Black-Box-Video-Recorder-/320741840995?pt=US_Surveillance_Digital_Video_Recorders_Cardshash=item4aadb41863 No dash cameras have been produced for public consumption at sub-D1 in at least five years. Mobile DVRs will often offer CIF for multiple channel recording however (a limitation of the NTSC or PAL scan converter). 640x280 is a non-existent format, as that would be 0.4375, not ending on a byte boundary. You're thinking of 240 lines. And it wouldn't be 640 (square pixels), it would be 704. Or perhaps you're thinking of SIF in a 525 line domain, which would be 352x240, or CIF in the 625 line domain (352x288). The container format was, in fact, MP4. The codec used for compression was AVC. AVC is aka MPEG4 AVC (Advanced Video Codec), which is also known as h.264 **see below. The original submitted video was 1080p. Youtube has offered 1080p since 2009. http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2009/11/1080p-hd-comes-to-youtube.html We can see the offered streams from youtube as/per: http://www.spaceballoon.org/available-streams.jpg There is no such video container or codec as pmg that I'm aware of - Would you provide the FOURCC for that? My stills are in PNG (Portable Network Graphics) as I noted originally. __MPG__ is the Motion Pictures expert Group [of which I've been a member off-and-on as well as on several working groups over the years), and MPEG1, MPEG2, MPEG4, MPEG AVC (aka h.264, aka MPEG7 aka MPEG4 Layer 7, etc.) are all possible with additional qualifications of things such as differing levels of motion prediction, different transport layers, and different containers. Now, would you like to say anything else incredibly stupid, or would you like to apologize for attacking me in your blind ignorance and we can just let it go? **Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : Base Media / Version 2 Codec ID : mp42 File size: 348 MiB Duration : 10mn 1s Overall bit rate mode: Variable Overall bit rate : 4 860 Kbps Encoded date : UTC 2013-02-14 04:06:40 Tagged date : UTC 2013-02-14 04:06:40 gsst : 0 gstd : 601210 gssd : BADC23F61HH1361841351562120 gshh : r1---sn-p5qlsn7z.c.youtube.com Video ID
Re: [meteorite-list] Dark mass in front of Cherbakul bolide + raining meteorites
Hello Vincent and list, I haven't gone and processed that video myself, but just skimming your enhancement, my first blush is a nice image of the Bow Wave (shock cone) and boundary layer. Given the tremendous compression there's never going to be a clean air image anywhere near that thing, viscous effects and wave drag will assure us that. Aerodynamics and compressibility aren't really my area of expertise, I'm optical physics, but I'll bet there's enough rough numbers out there to model what you're observing. OpenFOAM has a very good compressible flow solver, then feed that to the fantastic Paraview. http://www.openfoam.com/features/paraview.php http://www.paraview.org/ Saturday, February 23, 2013, 3:27:48 PM, you wrote: Hi Murray, Thank you for your comments. The photos comes from this video: http://youtu.be/PHf20NVZSV4 (The bolide is visible at 4:35, deflagrations at 7:01) I have updated my galery with several photos from the bolide, there is 1/10 s between each image. http://www.flickr.com/photos/93493758@N04/ The first image posted early today was focalized on the head of bolide up to 800X magnification. I agree with the suggestion of Chris, who's consider an atmospheric effect related to the supersonic shockwave or compression zone. I don't think that is an artifact from camera or from the car windshield. It would be possible that's an electronic effect from pixel saturation, but why others images don't show it? This is the first time that I see this kind of effect in a fireball. Cheers Vincent Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:47:56 -0700 From: murray.paul...@gmail.com To: meteorh...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (sans objet) HI VIncent: First off, the meteor would not be dark, rather it would be white hot. The dark spot is probably a camera contrast artifact. But I thought that it would be interesting to do some calculations on the object. Some quick back of the Excel envelope calculations. I am not sure which video you are using for this analysis, but lets assume that it is not a telephoto close up, and is a wide field focal length, say 50 degrees. This would go along with cell phone cameras and dash cameras and is just a guess. If the video was 640 pixels wide, (compressed for Youtube) and we place the meteor at 30 km distance then each pixel in the image is video width 50 degrees 640 pixels 0.078125 deg/pixel 0.001363538 radians assume a distance of 30 km 40.9 meters/pixel Now the dark object seems to take up several pixels, so lets assume 3 pixels width. This would give us an object size of 120 meters, which is closer to the size of the asteroid that was passing between the earth and the moon on the same day. If I go the other way and place a 15 meter object at 30 km, the math give us 15 m assume at 30 km 0.0005 radian angular width or 0.0286 degree 1.72 minutes of arc 0.37 pixel With the same camera, we would have the body size as 1/3 of a pixel. Now, the video may have been zoomed in, and so you can scale these numbers by the ratio of the true field divided by the 50 degree guess. Cheers. Murray On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Vincent . meteorh...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear all, When a very big bolide is observed, some witnesses explain the observation of the meteorite parent, just in front of bolide. I wanted to check this very unknow phenomen. I decomposed some video from Chelyabinsk bolide. One of them shows a dark mass in front of the bolide!!! It seem rotating. The dark mass is visible during approx 1/2 second. Some details are visible 3/10 second later during 2/10 seconds. With an exciting surprise, the end of path, 1 second later show the fragmentation of two medium mass. One of them create a veritable plume in the sky. Perhaps the beginning of a rain meteorite? If this is really the explosion of a meteroite mass in sky and/or the real asteroid falling in the atmosphere, then that's is the first time that the phenomen is recorded! I'll be very happy to have it discovered. Photos are visible == http://www.flickr.com/photos/93493758@N04/ Enjoy!! Kind regards Vincent __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Chebarkul Videos - Choice Selections to, Watch (Part Two)
Hello James, Thursday, February 21, 2013, 6:16:04 PM, you wrote: [CLIP!] Echoes from other ground features that the shockwave hits after passing you contributes as well. Multipath The wave takes multiple paths to reach the detector (your ear, microphone, etc), some longer, some shorter. --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...
Hello Bjørn, Ok, what _evidence_ do you have to the contrary? /DA14's trajectory is trivially established precisely. Show us this new body matches that trajectory. It either does or it doesn't. You are claiming it does, so now you need to present your case. Finger-pointing and innuendo does not a falsifiable argument make. --- Jodie Friday, February 15, 2013, 7:56:16 PM, you wrote: All the various arguments against it being a connection between the russian meteor of today and the asteroid passage also today of 2012 DA14 are quite shallow and actually faulty. The closest passage of a very large asteroid object ever and the the most damaging (for humans) meteorite fall ever in the same day and they are not related?? That is a joke! Added to this, can anyone with good knowledge (exact information) of the geometry of the two trajectories of these bodies just compare them? The best knowledge I got (from International Meteor Organization IMO) is pointing towards them being exact parallell, which would in effect exclude them from not being related. An object coming in shallow path from south could easily enter Russia from northeast in the morning. The earth rotates continuously and therefore entry from northeast is easily attainable. NASA (to the degree they have made a final verdict) is in error here. Unfortunately the world press has too little scientific background to counter an error from NASA and follow it as a flock of drowsy geese. Sorry but this is the situation in this case! Psychologically, I think this is a case (on the the part of NASA) as - DON't you grab MY puppy!! (being incidentally asteroid 2012 DA14) Well, Russia did just that, and the US reaction followed - not the first time actually... Bjørn Sørheim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Record Setting Asteroid Flyby (Asteroid 2012 DA14)
Thanks for the heads-up! If you're in Asia, you might be able to catch it for a short flare to Mag 7ish with decent binoculars. Consult a good piece of planetarium software for a skymap because there will be significant parallax and it'll be bookin' across our view. No realistic shot at imaging it for us amateurs in the Northern Hemisphere at Mag 24-22. --- Jodie Monday, January 28, 2013, 2:08:00 PM, you wrote: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/28jan_2012da/ Record Setting Asteroid Flyby NASA Science News Jan. 28, 2013: Talk about a close shave. On Feb. 15th an asteroid about half the size of a football field will fly past Earth only 17,200 miles above our planet's surface. There's no danger of a collision, but the space rock, designated 2012 DA14, has NASA's attention. This is a record-setting close approach, says Don Yeomans of NASA's Near Earth Object Program at JPL. Since regular sky surveys began in the 1990s, we've never seen an object this big get so close to Earth. Earth's neighborhood is littered with asteroids of all shapes and sizes, ranging from fragments smaller than beach balls to mountainous rocks many kilometers wide. Many of these objects hail from the asteroid belt, while others may be corpses of long-dead, burnt out comets. NASA's Near-Earth Object Program helps find and keep track of them, especially the ones that come close to our planet. 2012 DA14 is a fairly typical near-Earth asteroid. It measures some 50 meters wide, neither very large nor very small, and is probably made of stone, as opposed to metal or ice. Yeomans estimates that an asteroid like 2012 DA14 flies past Earth, on average, every 40 years, yet actually strikes our planet only every 1200 years or so. The impact of a 50-meter asteroid is not cataclysmic--unless you happen to be underneath it. Yeomans points out that a similar-sized object formed the mile wide Meteor Crater in Arizona when it struck about 50,000 years ago. That asteroid was made of iron, he says, which made it an especially potent impactor. Also, in 1908, something about the size of 2012 DA14 exploded in the atmosphere above Siberia, leveling hundreds of square miles of forest. Researchers are still studying the Tunguska Event for clues to the impacting object. 2012 DA14 will definitely not hit Earth, emphasizes Yeomans. The orbit of the asteroid is known well enough to rule out an impact. Even so, it will come interestingly close. NASA radars will be monitoring the space rock as it approaches Earth closer than many man-made satellites. Yeomans says the asteroid will thread the gap between low-Earth orbit, where the ISS and many Earth observation satellites are located, and the higher belt of geosynchronous satellites, which provide weather data and telecommunications. The odds of an impact with a satellite are extremely remote, he says. Almost nothing orbits where DA14 will pass the Earth. NASA's Goldstone radar in the Mojave Desert is scheduled to ping 2012 DA14 almost every day from Feb. 16th through 20th. The echoes will not only pinpoint the orbit of the asteroid, allowing researchers to better predict future encounters, but also reveal physical characteristics such as size, spin, and reflectivity. A key outcome of the observing campaign will be a 3D radar map showing the space rock from all sides. During the hours around closest approach, the asteroid will brighten until it resembles a star of 8th magnitude. Theoretically, that's an easy target for backyard telescopes. The problem, points out Yeomans, is speed. The asteroid will be racing across the sky, moving almost a full degree (or twice the width of a full Moon) every minute. That's going to be hard to track. Only the most experienced amateur astronomers are likely to succeed. Those who do might experience a tiny chill when they look at their images. That really was a close shave. For more information about 2012 DA and other asteroids of interest, visit NASA's Near-Earth Object Program web site: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov Author: Dr. Tony Phillips Production editor: Dr. Tony Phillips Credit: Science@NASA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034
Hello Ted, Saturday, January 26, 2013, 3:27:34 PM, you wrote: There is the fever to coin new terminology for this apparent unique stone (NWA 7034), If it's not named, how are people supposed to sell dubious samples of it on eBay? :-p~ --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball Over Japan - 1/20/2013
Well, he did call it the Year of Meteorite-Falls, except that it's gone into overtime. Sudden Death has a somewhat ominous ring to it when we're talking about rocks hurtling through space with cosmic velocities. ;) -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Az meteorite hunting technique vs not getting Flu shot
I was mildly amused. Not appeased - but mildly amused none-the-less. Monday, January 21, 2013, 11:22:29 AM, you wrote: I feel your pain, Mendy, but not his! To answer your question, no, the gods were not appeased. Had they been appeased he would have been transported to the asteroid belt, where the meteorite Gods are located, or possibly to Mars, where the meteorite Gods of War are located. However, the morphine or other pain reducer he was given for his broken bones may have sent him to the minor meteorite God, the Lunar God (as in lunatic). Fred Hall This kind of incomplete reporting really ticks me off. The reporter did not ask the jumper the most important question. We're the gods appeased? Inquiring minds want to know! Mendy Ouzillou On Jan 21, 2013, at 5:31 PM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, Check out this new Arizona meteorite hunting technique. I don't know which is worse this new hunting technique or not getting the Flu shot. Sonny http://www.azfamily.com/news/Man-jumps-into-Meteor-Crater-mine-shaft-to-appease-the-gods-186515131.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: OT: Flu shot before Tucson?
Go for a thermonuclear device. No reason to take chances. Something in the several megaton range should be adequate... Good Luck! --- Jodie G'Day Everyone This off topic discussion on flu shots has me really on edge. Greg has been concerned, as well as many others. After catching it once, dealing with it twice, I feel my immunity is up to standard. But just in case, I've put myself together a cut down version of a flame thrower. This is what I'll be packing when I get to Tucson. So if any of you people out there are sniffling, sneezing, coughing and the occasional fart.. beware, I will not take any prisoners ;) Cheers John __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: OT: Flu shot before Tucson?
Kinda interesting, but except for a few cities in the south-east and deep south - the entire United States is just Intense; I didn't see it broken down further than that. --- Jodie Sunday, January 20, 2013, 10:54:12 PM, you wrote: For fun, here is google's charting of flu trends. Good tracks search terms related to flu and maps it based on the origin, they find it's pretty accurate for predicting the intensity of flu outbreaks in an area. You can click on the US and then picks specific cities from the drop down menu. http://www.google.org/flutrends/ http://www.google.org/flutrends/us/#cities - Yinan On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote: Go for a thermonuclear device. No reason to take chances. Something in the several megaton range should be adequate... Good Luck! --- Jodie G'Day Everyone This off topic discussion on flu shots has me really on edge. Greg has been concerned, as well as many others. After catching it once, dealing with it twice, I feel my immunity is up to standard. But just in case, I've put myself together a cut down version of a flame thrower. This is what I'll be packing when I get to Tucson. So if any of you people out there are sniffling, sneezing, coughing and the occasional fart.. beware, I will not take any prisoners ;) Cheers John __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone heard of a new CA fireball?
Hello Richard, I got a call from a list member (hi!) waking me up this morning asking about it. I'm searching radar data, but the times are all over the board. I haven't seen any lighting variance in Sacramento/Mather on 16 security cameras here at home, but I haven't checked client cameras in the bay area yet... If the time could be pinned down (the reports are all over the place from 5am to almost 6am) that would help chunk through the radar. --- Jodie Thursday, January 17, 2013, 7:27:38 AM, you wrote: Hello List, Listening to local Sacramento radio: talk of a 5am fireball flashes and sonics to the south ...anyone heard anything? Dirk? GA? Richard Montgomery __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone heard of a new CA fireball?
Found it at 13:21UTC in Sac/Mather. I'll pin it down further when I've analyzed more cameras. --- Jodie Thursday, January 17, 2013, 12:14:06 PM, you wrote: Hello Richard, I got a call from a list member (hi!) waking me up this morning asking about it. I'm searching radar data, but the times are all over the board. I haven't seen any lighting variance in Sacramento/Mather on 16 security cameras here at home, but I haven't checked client cameras in the bay area yet... If the time could be pinned down (the reports are all over the place from 5am to almost 6am) that would help chunk through the radar. --- Jodie Thursday, January 17, 2013, 7:27:38 AM, you wrote: Hello List, Listening to local Sacramento radio: talk of a 5am fireball flashes and sonics to the south ...anyone heard anything? Dirk? GA? Richard Montgomery __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some Meteorite Realities and Other Interesting Meteorite Web Pages
Unless you live in Novato. Sunday, January 13, 2013, 5:17:46 AM, you wrote: Hi, from the practice I'd like to add a most important point to the Meteorite Reality Checklist: 60 If an expert tells you, that your rock is no meteorite, then: Believe him! :-) Martin Some Meteorite Realities http://meteorites.wustl.edu/realities.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] POLONNARUWA METEORITE WITH EVIDENCE OF LIFE FROM OUTER SPACE....
We need to be a little careful of the Journal of Cosmology. Although they claim to be peer-reviewed, as blogger PZ Meyers so eloquently describes them: --- It doesn’t exist in print, consists entirely of a crude and ugly website that looks like it was sucked through a wormhole from the 1990s, and publishes lots of empty noise with no substantial editorial restraint. For a while, it seemed to be entirely the domain of a crackpot named Rhawn Joseph who called himself the emeritus professor of something mysteriously called the Brain Research Laboratory, based in the general neighborhood of Northern California (seriously, that was the address: “Northern California”), and self-published all of his pseudo-scientific “publications” on this web site. They've gotten whacked for publishing these claims before: http://news.discovery.com/space/nasa-refutes-alien-discovery-claim-110307.htm From Bad Astronomy: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/07/followup-thoughts-on-the-meteorite-fossils-claim/#.UPNxZ3fSrLc http://rrresearch.fieldofscience.com/2011/03/is-this-claim-of-bacteria-in-meteorite.html etc, so-on, ad-nauseam. Give me a call when it appears in Science, Nature, Space Science Revue, Astrophys, Astron_J Planetary and Space Sci, Advances in Space Research, ... ;-) --- Jodie Sunday, January 13, 2013, 1:42:21 PM, you wrote: What a pile of steaming crap article! I love how they have put out a scientific paper finding life, in two weeks (I returned from Sri Lanka on the 29th). The meteorite which fell there on 18 dec was a chondrite, then in typical 3rd world fashion, meteorites were hitting all over the country nightly, setting fields and houses on fire, killing dogs etc! I wouldn't bother trying to get a piece of this one, it is most likely bat crap or something similar:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: http://bit.ly/UXjYZc Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
How about we compress it further and assign 0 for unobserved fall and 1 for observed fall? We could then use a flag and define them with a single bit, a logic state of false for unobserved and true for observed? Or a null state for unobserved and true for observed? Substantially more efficient than the system described -- You're wasting almost half a dozen bytes! ;-) --- Jodie Friday, January 4, 2013, 5:12:45 PM, you wrote: An unobserved fall is two words to describe the one word that has been used for a century, Find. The one word Find is good enough for the Catalogue of Meteorites, it was good enough for Harvey Nininger, and it is what I shall always use. Keep it concise. Regards, Fred Hall That would make sense for say New Orleans, where a stone went through a house and no one in their right mind would suggest that it did not fall at that time say between 8 am and 4 pm when there was no hole in the house, yet it was not seen to fall. An old rock found in a field does not suggest anything about fall date. So it is a find, something never really argued against until now? It has crust which can suggest it is not thousands of years old, most of our Springwater meteorites have black and blue crust but nevertheless it is a find. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:28 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote: An unobserved fall is, well, a fall that was not observed, in contradistinction to a fall that was observed. The terminology of the Meteoritical Bulletin Database is Observed fall: no. The information being conveyed is NOT that the meteorite fell but that the fall was not observed. In general, the questions about falling and finding are: 1) was the fall observed? 2) if so, when was it observed? 3) if not, is there any guesstimate of when it fell? 4) regardless of weather it was observed or not, when was it actually found? Paul Swartz MPOD webmaster What is an unobserved fall? Every meteorite fell at some point. I have thousands of unobserved falls in my collection. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Vesta, Ceres, Jupiter, AND a meteor
Hi Charley, Thanks for the kind words! MaxIM-DL from Cyanogen has Photometry that can do auto recognition of guide stars from the catalogs. When I'm trying to find a really dim comet or nova in a deep star field from the telescope, I'll use MaxIM. For something like this with a wide star field and lots of bright guides, I prefer to just do it by hand with even Stellarium (free) or any other capable planetarium software. By doing that I learn the sky deeper and deeper each time. Ultimately it makes me a better observer and helps me walk a big dob in without computerized aiming. Sometimes dim objects, like these two, require me to dig a bit deeper into the minor asterisms, hence the excessive annotation. In the open source space, you might find some useful tools or at least start places, here: http://tdc-www.harvard.edu/astro.software.html --- Jodie Sunday, December 30, 2012, 9:20:19 AM, you wrote: Hi Jodie, Very nice! Timing IS everything, isn't it? As a budding astrophotographer, may I ask what you used to annotate the shot? Best regards, Charley Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants ! Hannibal Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:33:28 -0800 From: Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org Subject: [meteorite-list] Vesta, Ceres, Jupiter, AND a meteor To: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 1859240655.20121229203...@spaceballoon.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I was out just before moon-rise trying to see if I could catch Vesta, Ceres, and Jupiter together. Just after I opened the shutter for a 6 exposure, I saw a meteoroid streak across the sky apparent heading towards Ain. Very short and dim, I hoped it'd be enough to expose at 1000ISO. It did! Vesta, Ceres, Jupiter, and a meteor trail in the same frame! Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good! Here it is with the red channel processed up a little bit to expose it. Sorry about the sky noise, I was shooting through a sucker-hole in the clouds and the moon was already brightening the sky. No other processing other than resize to 1280x1024. http://www.spaceballoon.org/vesta-ceres-jupiter-meteor.jpg (Canon 50D,17-40L @ 40mm,6,f/4, ISO1000, 18:37:04 - 18:37:10 PST [02:37 UTC]) P.S. Pardon the annotations, I needed them for registration to find the darned minor planets. ;) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Vesta, Ceres, Jupiter, AND a meteor
I was out just before moon-rise trying to see if I could catch Vesta, Ceres, and Jupiter together. Just after I opened the shutter for a 6 exposure, I saw a meteoroid streak across the sky apparent heading towards Ain. Very short and dim, I hoped it'd be enough to expose at 1000ISO. It did! Vesta, Ceres, Jupiter, and a meteor trail in the same frame! Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good! Here it is with the red channel processed up a little bit to expose it. Sorry about the sky noise, I was shooting through a sucker-hole in the clouds and the moon was already brightening the sky. No other processing other than resize to 1280x1024. http://www.spaceballoon.org/vesta-ceres-jupiter-meteor.jpg (Canon 50D,17-40L @ 40mm,6,f/4, ISO1000, 18:37:04 - 18:37:10 PST [02:37 UTC]) P.S. Pardon the annotations, I needed them for registration to find the darned minor planets. ;) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Was Fall, now Underwater meteorite hunting]
Hi Cal, Ever do much SCUBA diving? That'd be.. a challenge, to say the least. Maybe the shallow sandy bottoms of the Caribbean if you knew about it and were there instantly. Probably have to do some drift experiments. In most open water diving, if you drop your dive knife, it's gone forever in an instant, buried in the continuous current action. Or you've got a bottom of nothing but black Basalt. If it's not very shallow, your bottom time is practically nothing and your decompression stops are going to eat up the rest of your day. Bounce diving is just too risky for any possible return. I guess technical diving on mixed gas would be about the only way to practically go about it, and that increases your risks and expense many-fold. Nitrox could extend your bottom time with less risk and expense, but you're still looking at long decomp stops and it's still technical diving, and your working depth is going to be pretty limited (due to oxygen toxicity and getting narc'd. Visibility (outside of the crystal clear waters in the Caribbean or a few other dream dive spots) is frequently less than the length of ones arm, and your light struggles to cut through a few more feet. Maybe dragging a magnet on a sandy bottom? Not sure how much in that sand is going to be attracted to it, but it seems like the only reasonable bet, assuming you were on the dive the same day. Not to be discouraging, but that'd be a pretty significant challenge. Maybe a RPV with magnetic field sensors and/or some large drop-and-drag magnet? My gut though is it's going to get hung-up in the bottom. --- Jodie Monday, December 24, 2012, 3:45:36 PM, you wrote: Curious about another California Fireball spotted last week...it apparently was seen over the western sky, and dropped into the ocean, not on land...must have been a minor event, as I cannot pull anything up on searchesmakes me wonder about anyone ever do the underwater meteorite search, since most falls land in our oceans Happy Holidays Cal G. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA GRAIL Lunar Twins Perform Their Last Burn
Following the two successful impacts, there was also an announcement that the final resting place of the GRAIL twins will be named in memorial for Astronaut Sally Ride [first American woman in LEO, still holds youngest American in orbit title]. Thanks for the heads-up, I nearly forgot to tune in! Best Regards, --- Jodie Monday, December 17, 2012, 1:53:23 PM, you wrote: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-400 NASA GRAIL Lunar Twins Begin Their Last Burn Jet Propulsion Laboratory December 17, 2012 The twin spacecraft of NASA's GRAIL mission have completed their final rocket burns. Their pre-planned lunar impact is expected at about 2:28 p.m. PST (5:28 EST). Ebb and Flow -- the two twin spacecraft of NASA's Gravity Recovery and Interior Laboratory (GRAIL) mission -- have begun their final rocket burns. They are scheduled to impact the moon at around 2:28 p.m. PST (5:28 EST). [clip!] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF LIST: BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy
Hi Nick,
You agree that the people should fear their government? Thomas
Jefferson might have noted the support of tyranny in such an
[apparent] statement {^1}.
Other respondents have noted instances where the land management
agencies have started small and eventually leveraged that impression of they
only want a little to ultimately kill the entire pursuit. It's a
standard playbook really: steal a small amount until the people say
ouch, then wait until they've become accustomed to the new
standard, then steal a little more. Rinse, lather, repeat.
The OHV (four-wheeling) community have spent untold fortunes
litigating themselves back into existence after allowing this very
thing. It could never happen to us, right? We've heard others
refer to treasure hunting/metal detecting, antiquities,
paleontological collecting, etc., but that will never happen here -
no, better we should shut up and try not to anger the
government-beast.
Personally: I'd never accurately report another find; retroactive
legislation is all too common.
Best Regards,
--- Jodie
^1: When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the
government fears the people there is liberty. - Attributed to Thomas
Jefferson, possibly properly sourced to John Basil Barnhill.
Regardless of the source, it has proven a truism in every case.
Doug,
I fully agree with you...
Cheers, Nick
Nicholas Gessler, Ph.D.
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Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 1:49 PM
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[CLIP!] [...] My concern is that mounting an aggressive campaign to
elicit a revision in these guidelines could backfire. The easiest
answer for a bureaucrat to give, when pressed for a response, is
No. [CLIP!] [...] I just hope that it is handled in a way that doesn't
provoke an outright hunting ban by the Feds next year.
Doug Ross
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Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy
Hi Jason, The BLM's land?!?!?! Would you explain to me how _they_ acquired such real property? How they maintain it? How they staff their offices? How their employees go about eating? I'm clearly out of the loop - I was kinda under the impression that the group We assigned to manage land couldn't actually _own_ any land since buying, maintaining, staffing, enforcing, [...], it would require your money, Adam's money, and my money. I know I didn't authorize their actions. I suspect Adam didn't authorize their actions. So now we need a disclosure of precisely who did, and precisely what public hearings in the interest of the public to which they are SERVANTS decided this would be the case. And that's the ultimate point: The BLM doesn't OWN _any_ land. We The People can boot the entire lot of their leech-like and utterly worthless hineys out to the street any time we decide to defund them. Along with the rest of our alleged masters who exist only to serve us. Please don't fall into the trap of believing our government can own diddly-squat - that's the root of the issue here - they've overstepped the authority that WE have given them and need to be reminded of such. Many of the People seem to have also forgotten who actually runs this joint. They need to be reminded of who the masters actually are. Warmest Regards, --- Jodie Monday, December 3, 2012, 12:38:53 AM, you wrote: Hello Adam, All, You're insinuating a heck of a lot with phrases like Twisting laws to fit a bureaucrat's immediate needs is not the proper way to go about it and is unconstitutional. I've already clearly explained why the 1906 Antiquities Act *might* logically be altered to accommodate for other groups of objects. It shouldn't matter whether they choose to modify that set of rules versus making an entirely new rule(s). Calling it twisting is just misleading. I address this in my last email, which you apparently replied to without reading. Or saying anything, really. The rest of what you say seems baseless to someone who knows nothing about which bureaucrat you're making these accusations, or what his or her apparently sinister goals are. Or how/why these new rules somehow disagree with the constitution. As for your eight year old -- even children who inadvertently find their parents' drugs in their coat pockets aren't prosecuted. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/09/28/sacramento-man-arrested-after-6-year-old-child-brings-meth-to-school/ You're being a little too dramatic for my taste. If you adhere to the notion that meteorites belong to whoever's land they're found on, I don't think you can really blame the BLM for keeping track of *their* meteorites. This all rings too much of the recent occupation of some of Berkeley's agricultural land. http://www.dailycal.org/2012/05/13/gill-tract-occupiers-disregard-democratic-process/ Just as technically state-owned (UC) land cannot be appropriated by citizens, public property is not inherently yours for the taking. You should read my last email. It really does address the antiquities aspect of things. And if people are indeed making their livings by collecting BLM resourceswell, why not complain about hunting permits, mining permits, or anything else like that? If you're selling meteorites from BLM land, it means that you're making money from finding them. Most such things require permits. It does seem inconvenient to me, so I can understand wanting to avoid having to abide by the new rules, but taking it this far just seemsa bit much. I've still yet to see a reason that I as a recreational meteorite hunter should care about these laws. Apparently the limit is 10 lbs per year, not 25. But how much Franconia do you really want? Jason From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com You have heard the saying give an inch and they will take a mile Richard Norton tried to warn anybody who would listen a decade ago. Meteorites are no more antiques than the rocks in my back yard. Twisting laws to fit a bureaucrat's immediate needs is not the proper way to go about it and is unconstitutional. The word meteorite couldn't even be found in a BLM officer's manual a mere year ago. Now this has all changed. The first 8-year old kid that picks up 10.01 pound meteorite will now be considered a criminal. Freedom isn't for free, Adam - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy Hello All, I'd like to point out a few things: As an active meteorite hunter/collector, the proposed regulations do not affect me. These new rules primarily affect the commercial interest in
Re: [meteorite-list] [Was:]10 Falls this year [Now:] Government/BLM Property
Hello Adam and list - I've tried to resist the urge, but I've given up the fight: The mistake we made was in not hanging the person in the public square who first coined the term Government Property. Which is, of course, a misnomer. The government can't own real property. We, you and I and the rest of us, pick-out a group and ask them to hold the property that WE own in trust. There's a lot of water under that bridge now. The servant has forgotten their place and who their masters are. In business turn-arounds we have an expression: Landmark Firing. Firing someone who can't be fired to demonstrate that we're not kidding. Disband the National Park Service. Give the land into management of the BLM with a stern tap on the nose with a rolled-up paper and the reminder that they work for us, they hold it in our trust, and they could just as easily be next. We either collectively begin to remind these clowns who their masters are, or we can sit and moan and watch it all head down the tubes as we're further and further enslaved to our own servant's whims. And with that - I'm done, promise! Anything further I'll take off-list. ;-) --- Jodie Sunday, November 4, 2012, 12:34:28 PM, you wrote: Hi Ben, They were not BLM agents this time, just government employed researchers emboldened by the new laws governing meteorite hunting. I will let the hunters in the field relay first-hand what happened as their report should be accurate. Hopefully they will provide some names so we know who to avoid. All I have to say about Gold Basin and eBay is that any reviewer can cause problems for sellers by saying something was obtained on federal or state land and quote these new BLM rules. I was also told directly, along with a hunting party, by a BLM agent from Needles, California that they do monitor eBay and websites for meteorites found on federal land. I will even go as far as to state their is a snitch among us pretending to be helpful. He is well-known and pretends to be interested in the science although his actions dictate otherwise. I will not mention his name here on the List as it would create a huge controversy which this snitch involved our group in before. He caused a major headache for us. I have not had any problems with BLM agents here in Nevada although they are federal so they can cross state lines any time. The last one I ran into was very helpful and was actually knowledgeable about collecting mineral samples, evening referencing his book for us. He did state that nothing collected on federal land could be used for commercial purposes without a permit. On the other hand, some BLM agents from California seem to make up their own rules as they certainly are not listed in book or website that I have ever seen. Happy hunting, Adam From: Ben Fisler fisler...@msn.com To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 11:55 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] 10 Falls this year - Can we set the 21st century record for recovered falls? Hi Adam, That is kind of creepy, do you mean the BLM (govt servants) are harassing private citizens to keep them from legally hunting? Also, in an earlier post of yours, you said you had already been hassled over gold basin material, what happened? I have found meteorites from Holbrook, Franconia, Gold Basin, and Red Lake, and although I'm not a commercial dealer or professional hunter, I've always had the comfort of knowing that in later years, I could always sell some of my finds if I wanted, or needed to. Since at least for now, all of my finds, are pre-Sept. 2012, (before the new rules) shouldn't I be able to sell them in the future? Am I going to be harrassed by the BLM or others if I do? Please let me know what is going on. On a more pleasant note, we're having Thanksgiving with relatives in Vegas and I'm taking that week off. I'm going to drive up and do some day-hunting in the desert for a few days before my wife flies up. How are the BLM people in area near the border with California? Best Regards, Ben Fisler, Phoenix, Arizona Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:23:30 -0800 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 10 Falls this year - Can we set the 21stcentury record for recovered falls? Be careful searching the Alabama fall. People have been warned by government servants to stay away. Adam - Original Message - From: MikeG meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 10 Falls this year - Can we set the 21st century record for recovered falls? Hi Mike and List, I have a few of your meteorites on the list that have not been
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds
Hello Greg and List! It was my understanding that the airship rides were contributed. Is there reliable information that they're plunking down NASA-dollars for that? Because I agree - that'd be pretty criminal. Believe me, no one could possibly be any crankier about misappropriation of tax-payer dollars than I! I just want to make sure we string up the right ones. --- Jodie Friday, November 2, 2012, 1:10:15 PM, you wrote: To All Concerned US Tax Payers... I have been troubled by what is a clear misappropriation of US tax payer funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's financial crisis, this is no time to squander our tax dollars!! We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp that was, as stated in the article link below, ... a NASA-hired airship. Not only are they using a privately owned Blimp for frivolous and far-fetched 'research', but they are also giving free joy rides to private citizens as stated from the article, Glenn Rivera [a private citizen] was invited by astronomers [NASA/SETI] to hunt for more meteorite crash-landing sites from a NASA-hired airship. In recent conversations, I and many of my colleagues and some NASA scientists (who wish to remain anonymous), have all concluded that finding meteorites [of any size] is completely impossible and a waste of tax payer dollars! How can one think you can spot a black rock the size of a dime, a golf ball or even a basketball from an altitude of 1000 feet? The only entity that benefits from these dream hunts is the private company who owns The Blimp. They get paid by NASA for use of The Blimp and they also benefit from all of the free advertising with their logos and web addresses emblazoned on the sides of The Blimp! As far as I am concerned, hunting for meteorites floating in the sky is full of hot air! Here is the link the the article I reference: http://novato.patch.com/articles/hunt-goes-on-for-more-meteorites#photo-12000260 Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay Facebook) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Battle Mountain Lens Cap - and Delurk
Hi List! I've followed the list for a long time, but I'm not much of a joiner, so this is something of a delurk... Anyone from Battle Mountain fall missing a Nikon lens cap? Of all the meteorwrongs it's the one that amused me most. :-) Shoot me over a note off-list and I can drop it in an envelope and return it to its rightful home. If you're curious - it was recovered from N 40.63245, W 117.14516 Anyway, time to clear out the inventory of meteorwrongs so I can add a bunch of them from Novato. ;-) --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2.5 miles from first fall?
Hey now - My little group has been out there four days, averaging 7+mi/day of hiking starting last Friday. At some point the RealWorld intrudes. ;-) But I figure I've almost got Brien-miles in, so I'm due here in the next day or two. :-) --- Jodie Is there not one true meteorite hunter in Cali right now? Huge fall, hundreds of stones on the ground, endless streets and parking lots and field ls visible in google earth. What the hell is everyone waiting for? Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
