RE: [meteorite-list] Fireball over England
Hi All, There is one witness report (a good one) so far here in Ireland. I heard him being interviewed on the radio this morning at 9:30 (approx) am. He gave a detailed eye witness report from his location in Dublin. He also gave the time of 6:30 am for the fireball. I have been stuck in meetings all day so couldn't follow it up. I will try to get some more information. I hope it didn't drop into the Irish Sea. Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of V.K.Pearson Sent: 24 September 2004 11:09 To: meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball over England We have received reports of a fireball and airburst over the Northamptonshire/Buckinghamshire/Bedfordshire area this morning (~06.30am BST). The approximate trajectory was in a south-east direction. Has anyone else in the UK meteorite community heard anything about this or witnessed the event? Cheers Vic Pearson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
Hi Mike and all, It is frustrating to get sniped but I find it necessary to bid this way. A lot of the meteorite auctions are from the US and tend to end 2 am to 5 am my local time. I am asleep when the auctions end. The only sure fire way I can ensure a bid is placed is by using a sniping service such as www.auctionstealer.com I have also lost out on items on which I would have placed a bid, due to unforeseen circumstances keeping me away from a PC. If I use a sniping service I have the general assurance I won't fail to get a bid in on any item I really want. The bid is placed on time regardless of my location. Bear in mind too that a snipe will never win if your bid is higher than the snipe, no matter when you placed your bid. Good luck in your future auctions. Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Groetz Sent: 11 June 2004 14:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Good Morning- This is probably a little off topic- but a comment I would like to make to see if I am alone in this. When bidding in ebay or other on meteorites- there is nothing more disappointing than someone that lays out for the last few seconds and then outbids you with a fast server. It does not give the previous bidder any chance to reconsider their offer. I know it is fair to do this- but it seems to be the same people always doing it. It really gives that person a negative image to me. I am no better than anyone else- but I try never to do this to anyone. I think it would be common courtesy among meteorite collectors- especially of this list and the IMCA, to never do this to each other. It would build mutual respect among us. Just a comment- I hope all of you have a good weekend. Mike G. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Say What??
Hi all, As has been mentioned before the strange dialect below is due to Matteo using a software translator to translate his Italian to English. It cannot handle his colloquialism's. I would suggest (again as has been mentioned before) that Matteo : 1) upgrade his translator software then test the translations. 2) use plain English to avoid the strange translations of his colloquialism's. If Matteo is unable to do the above I would further suggest he stops posting to the list due to the confusion he causes. I am not putting Matteo down here, but, he could with a little effort, implement simple practical steps that would go a long way to stop the recurring issues not only to his benefit but also to everyone on this list. Regards Ken O'Neill IMCA #9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2003 04:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Say What?? build for you a similar Tom Idiot site therefore then you laugh of taste Does anyone have a clue as to the subliminal message above? I'm still working on, Fairies still the smiles and the struck ones __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT - Massive Aurora
Hi List Hope you can all get a clear sky tonight for the Aurora in progress tonight. I have a fantastic view here in Ireland. Here is a clip from an email from Astronomy Ireland to their membership. Dave Gradwell in Birr, Co. Offaly just called Astronomy Ireland (5:36pm) to say there is a major aurora in progress! There was a corona overhead! Keith Geary in Cavan just sent a TEXT saying RED aurora overhead. I can see it from our Shop window in the brightly lit Butterly Business Park in Dublin 5! Heading to country-side soon! Checking the web sites and emails confirms a massive geomagnetic storm is in progress and has been since 8am (been a little too busy in the aftermath of our extremely successful Astro-Expo to be checking as regularly as I usually do! see website for Astro-Expo report by the way, with photos!). The aurora was caused by a CME (coronal mass ejection) from sunspot group number 484 that has survived a complete rotation around the back of the Sun and is nicely on view again (I saw it from the office just before the Sun set in a pair of 10x50s fitted with AstroSolar filter). The CME happened on Nov. 18. Good Luck Ken O'Neill IMCA #9465
RE: [meteorite-list] website etc
Mark and List, Well said Mark. Ken O'Neill IMCA #9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mark ford Sent: 17 November 2003 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] website etc List, I agree with Dave on this, its time to let this one go, we have had Racism, name calling, Deformation of character, and general unpleasantness it has no place on an international 'scientific' discussion list of this type. This list is going down hill rapidly, I have noticed many people are no longer posting like they used to, and I think if this barrage of JUNK postings about Matteo etc continues we really won't have a List anymore! Can I make a personal plea to everybody; keep it friendly and on topic. I am all for free speech, but Race, Colour, creed and Nationality are not relevant to meteorites, nor is name calling take your racism else where. Mark F. -Original Message- From: Dave Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 November 2003 20:19 To: metlist; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] website Matteo, Time to let this one go now. Tom and Steve A. thought it was funny - I personally didn't think that the comments directed to you were that terrible. Please calm down - you are getting too excited now over everything and your arguments a week or two ago with Mike Farmer was disgusting and racist. Do not EVER post such inflammatory stuff to the Metlist again otherwise you will find yourself in court being prosecuted by somebody. I very humbly apologise for this post and I may be out of order posting such a stern email to you and including the Metlist but I thought your behaviour is steadily get more and more venomous and I am finding your racist comments extremely unpleasant. I do not want to hear any further moans from you on this website - deal with it privately, not on this list. You have singlehandedly probably managed to turn more people off this list than almost any other subscriber. Metlist members, if I have overstepped the mark here then please advise me either publicly or off-list, and if I have offended anyone other than Matteo then I apologise. I would also appreciate support from my friends on this list in case I have overstepped the mark and entering the realms of MAtteo and Mike F. No more now. STOP IT!! Stop it now! dave the angriest member of the IMCA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: Irish fireball
Hi Jim list, Good luck on finding some Crumlin, its hard enough trying to locate material from a recent fall let alone one from 1902, but I suppose you have a general idea of the strewn field area. I expect to have more info on the Aug 27th fireball by the weekend. I hope by then I'll have something positive to report. It would be brilliant for Ireland to have another fall to add to its short list. As seems to be the usual eye witness reports vary a lot. I have a bit of an advantage in being fortunate enough to have witnessed the fireball. What a fantastic sight it was too. BTW if anyone can give me some extra tuition on fireball tracking and locating the strewn field (I wish)please help ! contact me off list if it will be run of the mill stuff for everone else. Regards Ken O'Neill IMCA #9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jim Sent: 02 September 2003 17:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2003 QQ47:IMCA membership:Irish fireball Hello list First of all I couldn't agree more with Elton about the ADS.Even more frustrating is when people give a link to their auction that doesn't even work.AAArrgghh New asteroid 2003 QQ47 rates a 1 on the Torino scale.Article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3200019.stm I've been waiting for 5 months for membership to the IMCA:Anyone know if Rhett is still alive?No replies to e-mails Ken O' Neill,any more info on the fireball over central Ireland? I've been scouring old newspapers from 1902 trying to find info on the Crumlin fall from March 14th of that year to do a follow up search.Absolutely zilch,nada.Will take a run out to Crumlin soon to try and find some 90-100 year old folks for any info. take care all regards Jim Brady __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] RE: Irish fireball Crumlin
Hi Jim List, Some info on Crumin : http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/bookman/meteorites/SEIRE.HTM#crumlin Regards Ken O'Neill IMCA #9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ken O'Neill Sent: 02 September 2003 20:34 To: 'jim'; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: Irish fireball Hi Jim list, Good luck on finding some Crumlin, its hard enough trying to locate material from a recent fall let alone one from 1902, but I suppose you have a general idea of the strewn field area. I expect to have more info on the Aug 27th fireball by the weekend. I hope by then I'll have something positive to report. It would be brilliant for Ireland to have another fall to add to its short list. As seems to be the usual eye witness reports vary a lot. I have a bit of an advantage in being fortunate enough to have witnessed the fireball. What a fantastic sight it was too. BTW if anyone can give me some extra tuition on fireball tracking and locating the strewn field (I wish)please help ! contact me off list if it will be run of the mill stuff for everone else. Regards Ken O'Neill IMCA #9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jim Sent: 02 September 2003 17:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2003 QQ47:IMCA membership:Irish fireball Hello list First of all I couldn't agree more with Elton about the ADS.Even more frustrating is when people give a link to their auction that doesn't even work.AAArrgghh New asteroid 2003 QQ47 rates a 1 on the Torino scale.Article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3200019.stm I've been waiting for 5 months for membership to the IMCA:Anyone know if Rhett is still alive?No replies to e-mails Ken O' Neill,any more info on the fireball over central Ireland? I've been scouring old newspapers from 1902 trying to find info on the Crumlin fall from March 14th of that year to do a follow up search.Absolutely zilch,nada.Will take a run out to Crumlin soon to try and find some 90-100 year old folks for any info. take care all regards Jim Brady __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Determining true path of Fireball
Hi all, I hope to track the path of a fireball that was witnessed by myself and many others here in Ireland. This occurred at 23:25 BST on Mars night 27th August. I have some observation reports and expect soon to have access to a lot more. I have read O.R. Nortons method of tracking from the Rocks from Space book. Could anyone add something to this or provide a "new angle" for me, or expand on the method. Trigonometry was not a hot subject of mine but with some guidance I can work it through. Falls are not too common here in Ireland and finds even less. If some material was found it would be pretty major. Thanks in advance for your help on this. Ken O'Neill IMCA #9465
RE: [meteorite-list] New Team Member / Site Development
Hi Adam, Greg and List, Sounds excellent, but do you think one cyber bouncer is enough ? ;-) Ken O'Neill IMCA #9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: 16 August 2003 21:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] New Team Member / Site Development Dear List Members, We are proud to announce the bringing back of an old team member. His name is Vic, which some of you may have met in Denver last year at the show. He doesn't know a lot about meteorites, yet, but is awesome with web-site development. He developed three major sites for us in the past concerning Transaction Tracking Systems (TTS), an online outdoor sporting goods store with over 5,000 products and a major site for our Computer Corporation before we merged and eventually sold. Formerly, he was a head developer at Compaq so he has the experience needed to take on our latest project. As a part of our team he will be engaged in the development of a major new interactive meteorite site. We are currently developing the hierarchy in which this site will operate. Some things being discussed are making this site a good place to get the latest news on new discoveries, provisional scientific reports, trip reports, meteorite gossip, market analysis (current meteorite prices) and may even feature a trading floor like the NY exchange. Another thing we are working on is a cyber bar where people with similar interests can pull up a stool and discuss anything they want. It may even have a bartender who will dispense advice if he detects an argument in the LunarRock Cyber Bar. Of course a cyber bouncer will be on hand if somebody becomes too obnoxious. This site will be intended to promote the fun and interesting side of meteoritics and will be more informational in nature than a site purely devoted to sales. For you who are going to Denver, you will have a chance to meet Vic who is very entertaining to be around. When you meet him you will know what we are talking about. Wishing everybody the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] unclassified NWA, any idea's ?
*** my original doesn't appear to have hit the list so if this duplicates apologies *** Hi List, I recently acquired some unclassified NWA's and on examining a small stone noticed a tiny cavity with a pinkish coloured sphere embedded. I took a look under my digital microscope and saw what appears to be a chondrule held in a large cavity by crystals. I'm definitely no expert so would welcome anyone out there willing to give me a second opinion, or indeed any feedback. The images are at http://members.lycos.co.uk/meteoriteireland/nwauncl.htm Please let me know if you have problems accessing the images. Thanks in advance to anyone wishing to comment. Ken O'Neill IMCA #9465 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Mars
Ginger List What an excellent selection of photographs, and not just the Mars page, but the whole site. If you haven't visited the site http://velatron.com/dca/ginger/index.htm take a look if you have a few spare moments. I think the scenery page demonstrates very well that Astronomy is not just about looking through a telescope. Just to keep it on topic there are some thin section pics http://velatron.com/dca/ginger/Meteorites.htm Great stuff ! Ken O'Neill IMCA #9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ginger Mayfield Sent: 04 August 2003 03:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Mars For those interested, here is the link to my Mars 2003 image page. Images done with a digital camera attached to the scope. The views are outstanding in my 14.5 scope. I bet you have the steady skies from location, Walter. At our last local astro club meeting, I brought a book about Mars and my little piece of DAG 476. Made a great *show and tell*. http://velatron.com/dca/ginger/mars2003.htm Ginger Divide, CO = Michael, Finally got some observing time in last night. Yes, Mars was magnificent. It even look great in my little ETX 90 with high magnification but in a 10 inch Dob, WOW. The southern polar cap stood out from the planet like a huge diamond on a ring. Been planning for this for over a year. -Walter __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Fiery Object Seen In Minnesota
Can't wait for the field report ! Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: 18 July 2003 17:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fiery Object Seen In Minnesota We are on our way! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MARS near MOON tonight!
MARS near MOON tonight! Tonight Wednesday July 16th is the night that brilliant Mars (mag. -2) will rise v.close to the nearly Full Moon. It should be a spectacular sight to the naked eye. Look over in the East-to-Southeast (constellation of Aquarius )just about 22:30 onwards as the pair rise above the horizon- do not go to bed without checking out the view which should be an awesome sight. Mars will be blazing just to the left of the Moon all night. From the southern USA and parts of South America they will see the Moon pass in front of Mars! Regards Ken O'Neill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] metal detectors
Hi list, Has anyone any advice regarding metal detectors for meteorite hunting ? What are the features that would be of most use? Are there good or bad brands ? Is it a case of you get what you pay for ? Thanks in advance. Ken O'Neill
RE: [meteorite-list] cd rom of meteorites
Thanks Steve, Appreciated,let me know when you are ready. Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2003 17:59 To: Ken O'Neill Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] cd rom of meteorites Hi ken.I just got my cd yesterday.He only had 1, but after I am done with it, I would be willing to trade it to you for a meteorite.Let me know what we can do.I do not need to keep this forever.If I can help other people with it I'll do just that. steve arnold --- Ken O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve, The book is a bit pricey and I wouldn't mind a copy of the CD myself, did your source have more than 1 available ? Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 July 2003 18:25 To: Ken O'Neill Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] cd rom of meteorites Hi ken.I was asking for a cd-rom of the catalogue of meteorites.I did not want to spend $150 for the whole book.I have since made arrangements to get the cd.Thanks, steve! --- Ken O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve, Which book Cd is this ? Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! Sent: 04 July 2003 00:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] cd rom of meteorites Hi there list.I am looking to see if only the CD-ROM of the catlogue of meteorites is available.I do not need the whole book.The cd-rom will be very sufficient for me.I will pay for a copy if someone is willing to part with the cd.Let me know off list! steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar capture theory
Hi List, Would there be anything in the geological comparison between Earth and Moon that would lean toward the capture rather than same debris theory or vice versa ? Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: 11 July 2003 21:48 To: Matson, Robert; meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar capture theory Hello Robert and list, My understanding of planet formation in a nutshell is that debris orbiting the Sun gradually merged and formed planets. Right? Why couldn't two bodies have formed from the same debris in the same orbit and orbiting around the sun together in the same direction and the same orbit, Gradually the Moon slowly caught up with the earth and got caught up in the earths gravity? Or the earth came up behind the Moon and captured it? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar capture theory Tom wrote: I do not believe the moon was made by a asteroid impact on the earth. What, specifically, about this theory bothers you? I would first stand by the theory that it was caught up in our gravity. While this is a ~possible~ scenario, you have to understand how extremely unlikely graceful capture is compared to impact. The capture idea also has a difficult time explaining why the Moon doesn't have a normal-sized core for a body of its size, which the impact theory explains nicely. Finally, why the oxygen-isotope similarity of earth and the Moon if the two bodies formed in different parts of the solar system? Prior to the Apollo sample return missions (and the discovery of our beloved lunar meteorites), the capture theory at least had some wobbly legs to stand on. But O-isotope analysis of the moon rocks knocked one leg out, and the other leg was swept away by Lunar Prospector's confirmation that the moon's core comprises less than 3% of the moon's mass. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] cd rom of meteorites
Howard, I certainly would not advocate software piracy and I did not expect a pirated copy or such like from Steve. My use of the word copy was sloppy as it could have been and was interpeted by you as an illegal copy. The use of the word copy was the same as if I went into say a book shop and asked for a copy of Rocks from Space by O.R Norton. I wouldn't expect them to start photocopying the original for me. Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Howard Wu Sent: 11 July 2003 22:29 To: Ken O'Neill; 'Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!'; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] cd rom of meteorites Hi Steve and Ken, Your really should have keep this off the list! Softward Piracy is a private matter. A little bit can be ignored, let's not go wholesale with this. While helping ourselves we are injuring the author's intent who we all own a great deal. For all others, please realize I sent Steve my original cd-rom which I had not been using. Howard Wu -enabler Ken O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Steve, Appreciated,let me know when you are ready. Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2003 17:59 To: Ken O'Neill Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] cd rom of meteorites Hi ken.I just got my cd yesterday.He only had 1, but after I am done with it, I would be willing to trade it to you for a meteorite.Let me know what we can do.I do not need to keep this forever.If I can help other people with it I'll do just that. steve arnold --- Ken O'Neill wrote: Hi Steve, The book is a bit pricey and I wouldn't mind a copy of the CD myself, did your source have more than 1 available ? Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 July 2003 18:25 To: Ken O'Neill Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] cd rom of meteorites Hi ken.I was asking for a cd-rom of the catalogue of meteorites.I did not want to spend $150 for the whole book.I have since made arrangements to get the cd.Thanks, steve! --- Ken O'Neill wrote: Hi Steve, Which book Cd is this ? Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! Sent: 04 July 2003 00:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] cd rom of meteorites Hi there list.I am looking to see if only the CD-ROM of the catlogue of meteorites is available.I do not need the whole book.The cd-rom will be very sufficient for me.I will pay for a copy if someone is willing to part with the cd.Let me know off list! steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar capture theory
Hi Tom list I would expect so. Could a difference occur if through a giant impact as there would be extra mass in the debris from the impact object. Would more of that impact object mass go toward the make up of the moon ? Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: 11 July 2003 23:05 To: Ken O'Neill; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar capture theory Hello Ken And list, If the moon was made by the giant impact theory, it would make the chemical make up of the two very similar, wouldn't it? If the moon was made by the same debris theory it would make the chemical make up of the two very similar, wouldn't it? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Ken O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tom aka James Knudson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar capture theory Hi Tom list It's beyond me as well ! Robert Matson seems very much on the debris side, I was just wondering if the debris was correct should there be little difference in the chemical make up of the Moon and Earth ? What is the comparison ? How different are they ? Its just a general question for the list. Regards Ken O'Neill Ken O'Neill Computing - The Small Business Education IT Specialists Networks - email - Internet Access - PC's - Security - Cost Efficient IT Solutions www.kenoneill.com http://www.kenoneill.com Phone 042 9694683 Mobile 087 9118186 -Original Message- From: Tom aka James Knudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2003 22:40 To: Ken O'Neill Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar capture theory Hello Ken, I hope your not directing this question to me, It is beyond my knowledge! What do you think of the same debris theory, that as far as I know I first came up with a few minutes ago? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Ken O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar capture theory Hi List, Would there be anything in the geological comparison between Earth and Moon that would lean toward the capture rather than same debris theory or vice versa ? Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: 11 July 2003 21:48 To: Matson, Robert; meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar capture theory Hello Robert and list, My understanding of planet formation in a nutshell is that debris orbiting the Sun gradually merged and formed planets. Right? Why couldn't two bodies have formed from the same debris in the same orbit and orbiting around the sun together in the same direction and the same orbit, Gradually the Moon slowly caught up with the earth and got caught up in the earths gravity? Or the earth came up behind the Moon and captured it? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar capture theory Tom wrote: I do not believe the moon was made by a asteroid impact on the earth. What, specifically, about this theory bothers you? I would first stand by the theory that it was caught up in our gravity. While this is a ~possible~ scenario, you have to understand how extremely unlikely graceful capture is compared to impact. The capture idea also has a difficult time explaining why the Moon doesn't have a normal-sized core for a body of its size, which the impact theory explains nicely. Finally, why the oxygen-isotope similarity of earth and the Moon if the two bodies formed in different parts of the solar system? Prior to the Apollo sample return missions (and the discovery of our beloved lunar meteorites), the capture theory at least had some wobbly legs to stand on. But O-isotope analysis of the moon rocks knocked one leg out, and the other leg was swept away by Lunar Prospector's confirmation that the moon's core comprises less than 3% of the moon's mass. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net
RE: [meteorite-list] Want a Piece of the Moon?
http://www.moonestates.com/cat_Mars.asp Purchase a 1 acre plot on Mars for only £14.25 plus registration fee, VAT and PP; £19.99 in all. With each property purchased you will receive a Deed, Constitution, Property Map, *Mineral Rights*, and a copy of the original Declaration of Ownership. In addition 10-acre plots are available. Now all I have to do is work out how to get the rocks back to Earth ! Or maybe I could sell them on Ebay with the previso the buyer has to collect them personally ;-) Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: 07 July 2003 19:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Want a Piece of the Moon? Dear List Members, I found this link entertaining: http://www.lunarembassy.com/ All the best, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] TO: Use of Frames on Websites
Hi Walter, Here is a link to some info on authoring using frames : http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/authoring/frames/index.html As you will see from the dates of these articles there is not much new in frames and designers now tend to use Style sheets and tables to control placement of content. You have to use the noframes tag for the people whose browsers cannot handle frames. The noframes tag allows you to set an alternative set of links to navigate your site. Another drawback with frames is how Search Engines catalogue the content of your site. Their spiders can get confused and not get past page 1 if coded incorrectly. The upshot of this is the failure of the search engine to list you. If a potential visitor is in google and searching for meteorite unless your listed they will never find you. There are a few more drawbacks such as visitors can get stuck in your frames when trying to go elsewhere, this can get annoying. Again this problem would be down to bad coding. All in all frames can give attractive results if coded correctly but today frames is not the favoured choice in web layouts. Style sheets and tables can make life a lot easier. Webmonkey will give you some good idea's and caters for all levels of web design. Hope this is of some help. Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Walter Branch Sent: 06 July 2003 17:15 To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] TO: Use of Frames on Websites Hello Everyone, Sorry for the OT post. Could someone who is a little more tech savvy than myself tell me, are there any web browsers that can not handle frames? I am considering a redesign of my website because I plan to get much more material soon and I thought of using frames. Some sites use frames and son don't. Are there any technical advantages or disadvantages to using frames? Thanks. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL
Hi List, Tom wrote Steve started a post called dealers refunds. I do not think the buyer in Steve's post deserves a refund! Some how, some where, the thread got off topic and on to the subject with Matteo and an ebay deal of his. When I replied on this subject, I thought we were still on Steve's original thread. I'll echo this and would like to also add my intentions in posting were to add to the debate on the topic of refunding. My apologies if any offence was caused. Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: 29 June 2003 18:31 To: Charlie Devine; Michael L Blood Cc: Ken O'Neill; Meteorite-List (E-mail); M come Meteorite Meteorites Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL Hello Charlie and list, Steve started a post called dealers refunds. I do not think the buyer in Steve's post deserves a refund! Some how, some where, the thread got off topic and on to the subject with Matteo and an ebay deal of his. When I replied on this subject, I thought we were still on Steve's original thread. So Charlie, I want you to know that I has not talking about you in this thread at all. I am sorry if I offended you, I thought if I was offending anyone it was the guy asking Steve for a refund! : ) Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Charlie Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ken O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL Hello everyone, On ebay I am shawomet, and I am the person whom Matteo is suggesting be blackballed on ebay because I left him negative feedback. I am very sorry that Matteo chose to air our differences on this list. When he continued to lie to me, I told Matteo he was very lucky I was keeping this between the 2 of us. Now he has decided to slam me in public, so, to set the record straight, here is why Matteo is so upset with me. It begins with the simple fact that Park Forest was a very special fall in my opinion. My emphasis in collecting has always been more on the history, and less on the science. So, Park Forest had it all in my eyes. I knew I was reading about, on this list, a fall that would rank as very historic. I resolved that I would try to acquire as many samples of the various hammers or house smashers as I could. It's 3 months later and I believe I did well in reaching my specific goals. Then one day I saw this ebay auction just a few hours after Matteo listed it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2178091504 This listing gave the unmistakable impression that the seller was offering a slice of the stone that hit the roof of the PF Firestation! With a buy-now option of $55 for a 1g slice. I thought, wow, what a way to round out my PF hammer collection!. But I also thought I thought the PF town council had decided to sell this stone to a museum? I then did what I've never done before. Bid first ( or in this case buy-now first ) and ask questions later. If this really were a piece of the PF Firestation stone, the auction might end with a buy-now before Matteo could answer my questions. So I ended the auction and immediately wrote to Matteo. I told him I would send payment if he could provide the evidence that this was indeed from the PF Firestation hammer. His reply did not really address my question. He told me that he got the slice from Michael Blood, who got it from the Hupes. He told me he had a slice from this stone on his collection page. He did, and it was captioned Firestation stone. I decided to contact Michael Blood, but he was not around. I decided to sleep on it. Lo and behold, when I awake I remember that Michael did offer pieces of a stone that had fallen across the street from the firestation. Matteo was mistaken. It must be a piece of this stone that I had purchased. So I wrote to Matteo and told him he must be in error, but being an honorable man, I would pay his ebay fees since I had bid first and asked questions later. A small loss for me, no loss for Matteo. Matteo's reply to my suggestion was that I could believe one of 2 things. I could believe that Michael Blood was a liar, or I could believe the slice came from the stone that penetrated the roof of the firestation. Whatever Matteo's reason for putting it that way, I fell for it and sent my payment. A perfect example of being told what I really wanted to hear and believing it I guess. Several days went bye when I noticed a post from Michael to the list. Seeing that he was around I contacted him and discovered my memory had been correct. Michael never offered this hammer on his pre-post list
[meteorite-list] Park Forest DVD
Hi List, Does anyone know ifthere any of the PF DVD'sstill available? Regards Ken O'Neill
RE: [meteorite-list] Park Forest DVD
Hi List, Just to let you know I have been sorted out for the DVD. Many thanks to all who replied. Regards Ken O'Neill -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ken O'NeillSent: 29 June 2003 22:23To: Meteorite-List (E-mail)Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest DVD Hi List, Does anyone know ifthere any of the PF DVD'sstill available? Regards Ken O'Neill
RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds
Hi all, The dilemma highlighted by other posts is : 1) Refund and take the hit no matter how unreasonable or unjustified the grounds for the refund, and thereby save any aggravation/bad press. or 2) Refuse the refund and hope the fallout will not be too damaging. I think this is a classic dilemma suffered by anyone involved in a retail environment. It is always a good idea to have a clear and concise refund policy, this will clarify any grey area's and will lead to a reduction in contentions. However this advantage only applies when you are dealing with reasonable people. There will always be customers who are totally unreasonable. No matter how clear, concise, any disclaimers, sales, refund policies are, they will not help you with that totally unreasonable customer unless they plan to go legal. The legal option I would envisage as the very very last resort extremely undesirable. If the legal road was taken I would say you sales policies (as long as legal themselves) would win the day. So its back to the dilemma above. There is no clear answer but I would tend to agree with Rob Wesel's first instinct and that is refund and get on with life. There are also different levels of retail trade. If I buy stocks or commodities and get wiped out the next day, its my look out. I may buy gold the market may push the price down the next week, would I get a refund or would the dealer give me the difference in value as a refund. I don't think so. What about a car (as mentioned)? washing machine ? Where do meteorites fit in ? Should there be a different attitude to different products ? I reckon with good clear sales policies in place the instances of a bad transaction will be greatly reduced, regardless of what product you are selling. Regards Ken O'Neill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds
Hi list Tom wrote That is because there is not an other side. The guy is wrong and has no leg to stand on! It's my guess you'll be proved correct. Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: 28 June 2003 22:31 To: Ken O'Neill; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds Hello List, Ken wrote; we still haven't heard both sides. That is because there is not an other side. The guy is wrong and has no leg to stand on! Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Ken O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds Hi All, I was of the opinion tending towards a refund. I must now admit that in this particular case this would not now be my decision. A dealer should really be on the ball with regards to pricing. Each case must be judged on it's merits, we still haven't heard both sides. Has the other side any merit ? A very interesting thread. Regards Ken O'Neill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor Software
Hi all, Firstly thanks to Steve Witt for your words of advice to me as "the new kid on the block". Got the book by O.R. Norton and love it. It was good to get the names to the faces on the photograph, I even managed torecognise Bob Haag on the Discovery Channel yesterday, and again in the "Rocks from Space" book. We're all passionate about these "rocks from space" and love nothing better than to talk about them all day long. BTW; If you're married, you're wife (if not now) will soon be what we refer to as a "meteorite widow". My wife already thinks she is a "computer widow" I am preparing her for the added bonus of "meteorite widowhood" Glad to be part of the mailing list and enjoy reading all the posts. I suppose out there somewhere is software to simulate meteorite falls, allowing for variables of trajectory, weight, time of entry etc. If anyone can let me know where Imight get hold ofsuch software I would be very grateful. Not yet a member of IMCA (but would be proud to be) Ken O'Neill
