Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
a google search for lye will give you several sources/companies who provide
it for people who make their own soap. take care
susan
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From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com
To: Don Giovanni grig...@operamail.com
Cc: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Don and list,
Visit you local hardware store and ask for drain opener. When they
take you to that section look them over and find one that is pure
sodium hydroxide crystals, no additives/color/detergents/scents/etc..
That is what you want to purchase. Sorry I cannot help you with any
name brands, but there are still several retailers of pure sodium
hydroxide.
As a warning, you'll want to wear gloves, eye protection, and clothes
you don't mind ruining whenever you handle sodium hydroxide. Keep it
off your skin, and always add it to the water, not the other way
around (help avoid spilling/splashing). It's also a good idea to keep
an acid around (i.e. lemon juice) to quickly neutralize any spills.
~Michael Mulgrew
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Don Giovanni grig...@operamail.com wrote:
Steve Schoner:
(Red Devil Lye which can be bought at most groceries)
I'm seeing this online:
Red Devil Lye, also known as Lewis Red Devil Lye Drain Opener, was the
trade name for a drain cleaner product sold by the manufacturer
Reckitt-Benckiser. The product has been pulled from the market and is no
longer available.
Does anyone know of a similar product with the same active
ingredients.ideally something available at Lowe's or Home Depot
maybe?!
DG
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Re: [meteorite-list] 1099s coming?
i believe the 1099 rule included in the new health care bill is already in the process of being revised. Don't Panic Douglas Adams A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy enjoy the weekend. stay warm and take care susan - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 1099s coming? Hi Richard, so you'll get a positive input from me: World will keep spinning around. Say I, from a country with a duestax yoke more than twice as heavy as in USA and with a Kafkaesque bureaucracy, the country with - lonely world record - with more than 70,000 single and different tax regulations. I don't know, in the countries I know there is a distinction between private sales and commercial sales regarding taxation. Hence between collectors sales and small (and normal) business sales. With different exemption levels. Little example, in Germany, there it is decisive for a sale reckoned among business (meteorite dealer) or private activity (meteorite collector): The intention to make a profit, the frequency a seller sells items, the time-span between a good was acquired and sold. Hence, if you throw here and there a meteorite into ebay, then it's a tax-free private sale, relatively independently from the result. As well if you sell your whole collection at once, which you have built up over the years or which you have found in your attic. On the other hand, if you set up every two weeks a meteorite on ebay or if you use the 1-AD-per-week-rule on the list; if you buy a meteorite on a show or from a dealer, planning to slice it and to sell some of the slices (and let it be only for refinance your collection) or if you buy a specimen to resell it the same year, then it is a business activity and the profit is added to your income, on which you have to pay your common taxes. (and if you have a turnover of more than 23.400$ meteorites sold per year, you have to pay value-add-tax on your sales if you have an annual profit of 31.400$, you have to pay also business tax). In Switzerland, I heard, it's easier, there you have simply a free allowance of a certain height, wherein you can declare sales of collectibles. On everything more, you have to pay tax. How the regulations are and whether there are similar distinctions in USA - I don't know them, but I'm curious. Does anyone know them? If yes, then I guess, that new regulation won't be that dramatic, but only a little inconvenience for the private ebay seller, to print out another sheet of paper, just like he prints the address label of the buyer. The professional seller however, is already documenting each of his sales, hence no change for him/her. Phony 250,000$ meteorites, Linton, I guess, won't disappear. Such meteorites become taxable only if they are really sold and not when they're offered. And honestly, when such a lunar or Martian with alien blood cells found in the backyard of the offerer ever was sold? Well, and in the end, I think it would be somewhat unfair, if your hot dog seller has to pay on each sold hot dog all the taxes, but a meteorite collector, who sells meteorites for generating money and profit none, wouldn't it? Skol! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Richard Montgomery Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Januar 2011 02:15 An: 'Meteorite-list List' Betreff: [meteorite-list] 1099s coming? Hello List... Potential legislation mandating the issuance of 1099s to all documented transactions, and obviously those tied with a digital/cyber signature, has promted me to write this. I don't know the bill's name, but we've all heard about it, and the implications. From what I understand, transactions between any and all entities that exceed $600/year and/or each transaction will mandate the generation of the issuance of a 1099 to all parties. I woke up to this fact when I heard that eBay will potentially be issuing mandated tax-consequence 1099s to all who participate at that level. I can't imagine the nightmare logistics, but can certainly imagine the impact of on-line transactions if this legislation is actually passed. It stands to reason that all cyber transactions will be subject to this imposition, including private trades and sales though this very List. So, naturally, I'm putting the subject to us all to consider. I hope to get some input, positive and/or negative, to whether my issues are valid. So, please chime in. Fortunately, through this List I've made some contact with people I trust, although haven't yet met. Please advise... -Richard Montgomery __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] Help desperately needed for presentation to second graders
I posted this to the list earlier today but for some reason, hasn't come through. apologies if turns out to be a double post . . . seems to be the season for school presentations. Dear List, In early January I'm going to be giving a presentation to two second grade classes about meteorites. Anyone out there who has any experience or suggestions on how I should do this with this age group [7/8] that you'd be willing to share would be greatly appreciated. Please reply off list. Thanks in advance. Take care Susan Patton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] All Hats Off to Mirko Graul's Irons
Nice to see Mirko getting the recognition he so justly deserves. He is indeed, the King of the Irons! take care Susan - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] All Hats Off to Mirko Graul's Irons Absolutely agree. Mirko is an artist...and a lovely fellow as well!/ d, On Sep 11, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi List, I just wanted to publicly acknowledge how WICKED Mirko Graul's iron specimens are. His preparation, etching and photography are top-notch. I could stare at photos of his irons all day. Recently I spent over an hour just clicking on his photos in the EOM and drooling over them. I have never seen such consistently masterful preparation of iron meteorites. Mirko, whatever you are doing, keep it up - even if I can't afford to buy one. LOL http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=2587 Best regards, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx? id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
is this supposed to be funny? i've missed the humor if it's supposed to be. susan patton imca 1982 - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:34:06 -0800 (PST), you wrote: My aunt was almost raped several years ago by a known rapist who broke into her house... the only thing that prevented it was the fact she was able to get to my uncles handgun and defend herself. Which is a lesson to all-- when you go to rape someone, bring your own gun. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
let me start by saying, i'm glad your aunt was not raped. it's a terrifying, humiliating and crushing experience. however, you words were directed at rapists, advising them to bring a gun along to what, make sure your efforts were a success? everyone's entitled to their own opinions. mine is, you're a jackass. susan patton imca 1982 - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:44:02 -0600, you wrote: is this supposed to be funny? i've missed the humor if it's supposed to be. susan patton No-- it is supposed to be factual. The only reason having a gun stopped her from being raped is that the rapist didn't have a gun. But the more likely someone intent on commiting a crime is to think you might have a gun, the more likely he is to have one himself. And shoot first. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 20, 2009
Brix is a beautiful and very well trained dog! take care susan patton - Original Message - From: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 20,2009 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_20_2009.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Please stop this. thank you. hope all are well and enjoying the weekend. take care Susan Patton - Original Message - From: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Paul, I think you'll find that Don's type of post is perfectly acceptable to the majority on this list as long as it is against President Bush and the current administration. Try writing a similar post against Barack Obama and just watch the fireworks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Don, Is there some other, perhaps more appropriate, list you can use to vent your political views? Paul Swartz Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about sending an email to Lil' Bush and the other right-wing Republicans that would rather see families bankrupted than doing something constructive about health care in this country. Don Rawlings __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The contest winner is.....
perfect. congratulations Sean. take care susan - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The contest winner is. And the contest winner is. Sean Murray: -- NAME, Thank you for contacting me regarding your amazing meteorite find In Arizona, USA. I am glad that you chose me as your first contact as I know how to properly respond to your query. However, since I deal with more of the basic meteorites that are made available to regular citizens and collectors, I do not qualify in any way to be able to respond to your request given your current description. A find of this importance requires that we contact the appropriate US government associations immediately. Unfortunately, since you have identified this meteorite as exactly like one of the know falls related to the Roswell NM impact site, I am bound to forward your information to the US Air force agencies that track and monitor all meteorite falls that are considered potential threats to national security. Since this fall you describe is on US soil in Arizona, this falls within the aspects of the new Homeland Security directives that we are all required to adhere. By copy of this note I release personal responsibility for this fall to the appropriate agencies. I've alerted the Air force strategic command center and the new home land security division for unclassified falls and landings on US territories. Also, given your description, the other concern is that you indicated this meteorite has been identified as coming from outside of our current solar system and possibly from the father reaches of the Milky Way local galaxy, or even beyond. As meteorites from outside of the Kuiper Belt are incredibly rare and could be extremely dangerous, it further clarifies how important it is that we contact the proper authorities immediately. Fortunately, as you indicated, this specimen did not break open on impact, so I don't think any local hazmat teams will be required. Since I am not an expert in those matters, I will leave it to the institutions that receive a copy of this email to make the final determination. As I have not had the opportunity to find such an important item in my career, I am not sure of the exact protocols on how these agencies will engage you. As I imagine it, you are required to provide is all meteoritic materials and a full notarized statement as to how you acquired the specimen including the names and contact information of all people that have seen, or have been associated with the event, and any relevant medical records documenting any illness (common or uncommon) or persistent injuries since the meteorite has been in your possession. I hope this email finds you and your family still well. Please find a safe place to store this epic find until the proper authorities arrive and determine any potential issues. It is still possible that once all of the investigations are complete your meteorite might be determined to be available to the collector community. I look forward to that day. Please treat this email with the same level of sincerity as your original query to me regarding this incredible meteorite. Best of luck, Michael. -- __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 10 Reasons Why Everyone Should Own A Meteorite!
i'm inclined to agree with Anne on this one. take care susan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 10 Reasons Why Everyone Should Own A Meteorite! In a message dated 1/7/2008 12:13:00 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, Eric and all, What I is mean is this.. I played guitar in many bands for years. Women loved that, I know because they always approached me afterward and asked questions such as: Do you have a CD? Where are you playing next? Etc.. Where are all the women that like meteorites just because they are meteorites? Lets see, Anne, Maria, and 3 or 4 more! That's it.. Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona _http://www.mr-meteorite.com_ (http://www.mr-meteorite.com) __ __ You need glasses Ruben!!! Yes there is Maria, and me. And Twink, Tracy, Susan, Candy, Dolores, Carol, Zen, and those are just the ones I can think of immediately, they are many more, And you are probably going to hear from each and every one of them And those are real women, with a functioning brain. Right, ladies? Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - October 11, 2007
amazing!!! and i thought the outside was beautiful. thanks for sharing. take care susan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:20 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - October 11,2007 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/October_11_2007.html ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] On Meteorite Pricing and A Good Outcome
i believe this is a reference to literary archetypes. take care susan - Original Message - From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] On Meteorite Pricing and A Good Outcome A hero kills people, people that wish them harm. A hero is part human and part supernatural. A hero is born out of a childhood trauma, or out of a disaster that must be avenged. What? -Walter Branch, Ph.D. (child and adolescent psychologist) - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] On Meteorite Pricing and A Good Outcome On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:34:55 -0600, you wrote: Peru close proximity to the fall site versus Mike Farmer's home locale of Tucson should indicate that Randall's specimens be priced far less than Mike's. Yes, it should. Hunting and dealing meteorites is not a heroic achievement as some seem to indicate in their messages to this board. Diving in the water to save a stranger's life is heroic. Falling on a hand grenade to save your buddies is heroic. A hero kills people, people that wish them harm. A hero is part human and part supernatural. A hero is born out of a childhood trauma, or out of a disaster that must be avenged. (Please point out who said Mike was a hero, because I missed it). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Titicaca= meteorite. Illness= arsenic in thesoil.Mike Farmer= get on the airplane already
the story was exaggerated by the media?! i'm shocked. take care susan - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Titicaca= meteorite. Illness= arsenic in thesoil.Mike Farmer= get on the airplane already Hi Darren, we have a member in the German meteorite forum, living in Peru, who visited the fall site. He wrote, that the reports about the illness and desease are enormously exaggerated by the media and almost a lie. The crater is filled with groundwater, usually found in 3-4 meter depth. No smokes, no gases, no sulphuric smell - only that the water smells a little bit moldy, which was stronger some days ago. He saw the locals are alive and kicking, nobody got ill. That was also reported by his driver, living in that aerea. Only a few got a little headache from the smell, among them a single police man, and police also told that no illnesses or more hefty symptoms than a few single cases of a little headache were observed. Nor got anyone severely ill. So all a hoax by media. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Darren Garrison Gesendet: Montag, 24. September 2007 17:03 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Titicaca= meteorite. Illness= arsenic in the soil.Mike Farmer= get on the airplane already http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070921-meteor-peru.html Meteor Crash in Peru Caused Mysterious Illness José Orozco in Caracas, Venezuela for National Geographic News September 21, 2007 An object that struck the high plains of Peru on Saturday, causing a mysterious illness among local residents, was a rare kind of meteorite, scientists announced today. A team of Peruvian researchers confirmed the origins of the object, which crashed near Lake Titicaca, after taking samples to a lab in the capital city of Lima (see Peru map). Nearby residents who visited the impact crater complained of headaches and nausea, spurring speculation that the explosion was a subterranean geyser eruption or a release of noxious gas from decayed matter underground. But the illness was the result of inhaling arsenic fumes, according to Luisa Macedo, a researcher for Peru's Mining, Metallurgy, and Geology Institute (INGEMMET), who visited the crash site. The meteorite created the gases when the object's hot surface met an underground water supply tainted with arsenic, the scientists said. Numerous arsenic deposits have been found in the subsoils of southern Peru, explained Modesto Montoya, a nuclear physicist who collaborated with the team. The naturally formed deposits contaminate local drinking water. If the meteorite arrives incandescent and at a high temperature because of friction in the atmosphere, hitting water can create a column of steam, added José Ishitsuka, an astronomer at the Peruvian Geophysics Institute, who analyzed the object. By Wednesday, according to Macedo, all 30 residents who felt ill reported feeling better. People Were Extremely Scared Locals described the meteorite as a bright, fiery ball with a smoke trail. The sound and smell rattled residents to the point that they feared for their lives, Ishitsuka said. The meteorite's impact sent debris flying up to 820 feet (250 meters) away, with some material landing on the roof of the nearest home 390 feet (120 meters) from the crater, Ishitsuka reported. Imagine the magnitude of the impact, he said. People were extremely scared. It was a psychological thing. The meteorite's crash also caused minor tremors, shaking locals physically and emotionally. They were in the epicenter of a small earthquake, Montoya, the nuclear physicist, said. The resulting crater resembles a muddy pond measuring 42 feet (13 meters) wide and 10 feet (3 meters) deep. Solving the Mystery Even as meteorite samples arrived in Lima Thursday for testing, Peruvian scientists seemed to unanimously agree that it was a meteorite that had struck their territory. Based on the first-hand reports, the impact and the samples, this is a meteorite, Macedo, of INGEMMET, said. Tests revealed no unusual radiation at the site, though its absence didn't rule out a meteorite crash. Everything has radioactivity, even underground rocks, Montoya said. But nothing out of the ordinary was found. Preliminary analysis by Macedo's institute revealed no metal fragments, indicating a rare rock meteorite. Metal stands up better to the heat created as objects enter Earth's atmosphere, which is why most meteorites are metallic. (See related news photo: Mysterious Space Object Crashes Into House [January 5, 2007].) The samples she reviewed had smooth, eroded edges, Macedo added. As the rock enters the atmosphere, it gets smoothed out, she said. The samples also had a significant amount of magnetic material characteristic of meteorites,
[meteorite-list] OT--Fungus found in Cherynobyl that eats gamma rays for breakfast
interesting. take care susan http://unitedcats.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/major-biological-discoveryinside-the-chernobyl-reactor/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rovers Survive Severe Dust Storms, Ready for Next Objectives
certainly the Timex's of planetary probes. looking forward to seeing everyone in Denver next week. take care susan - Original Message - From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rovers Survive Severe Dust Storms, Ready for Next Objectives I'm starting to suspect that these two have evolved into a new, indestructible, perpetual-life, life form! Amazing! Cheers, Pete From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing List) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Rovers Survive Severe Dust Storms,Ready for Next Objectives Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Sept. 7, 2007 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-6278 [EMAIL PROTECTED] RELEASE: 07-187 MARS ROVERS SURVIVE SEVERE DUST STORMS, READY FOR NEXT OBJECTIVES PASADENA, Calif. -- Two months after sky-darkening dust from severe storms nearly killed NASA's Mars exploration rovers, the solar-powered robots are awake and ready to continue their mission. Opportunity's planned descent into the giant Victoria Crater was delayed, but now the rover is preparing to drive into the half-mile diameter crater as early as Sept. 11. Spirit, Opportunity's rover twin, also survived the global dust storm. The rovers are 43 months into missions originally planned to last three months. On Sept. 5, Spirit climbed onto its long-term destination called Home Plate, a plateau of layered bedrock bearing clues to an explosive mixture of lava and water. These rovers are tough. They faced dusty winds, power starvation and other challenges -- and survived. Now they are back to doing groundbreaking field work on Mars. These spacecraft are amazing, said Alan Stern, associate administrator of NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Victoria Crater contains an exposed layer of bright rocks that may preserve evidence of interaction between the Martian atmosphere and surface from millions of years ago, when the atmosphere might have been different from today's. Victoria is the biggest crater Opportunity has visited. Martian dust storms in July blocked so much sunlight that researchers grew concerned the rovers' daily energy supplies could plunge too low for survival. Engineers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., put Opportunity onto a very low-energy regimen of no movement, few observations and reduced communication with Earth. Skies above both rovers remain dusty but have been clearing gradually since early August. Dust from the sky has been falling onto both rovers' solar panels, impeding their ability to collect energy from the sun. However, beneficial wind gusts removed some of the new buildup from Opportunity almost as soon as it accumulated. Opportunity drove to the lip of Victoria Crater in late August and examined possible entry routes. This week, Opportunity has been driving about 130 feet toward its planned entry point. The route will provide better access to a top priority target inside the crater: a bright band of rocks about 40 feet from the rim. We chose a point that gives us a straight path down, instead of driving cross-slope from our current location, said Paolo Bellutta, a JPL rover driver plotting the route. The rock surface on which Opportunity will be driving will provide good traction and control of its path into the crater. For its first foray into the crater, Opportunity will drive just far enough to get all six wheels in; it will then back out and assess slippage on the inner slope. Opportunity might be ready for that first 'toe dip' into the crater as early as next week, said JPL's John Callas, rover project manager. In addition to the drives to get to the entry point, we still need to conduct checkouts of two of Opportunity's instruments before sending the rover into the crater. The rover team plans to assess if dust has impaired use of the microscopic imager. If that tool is working, the team will use it to observe whether a scanning mirror for the miniature thermal emission spectrometer (Mini-TES) can function accurately. This mirror is high on the rover's camera mast. It reflects infrared light from the landscape to the spectrometer at the base of the mast, and it also can be positioned to close the hole in the mast as protection from dust. The last time the spectrometer was used, some aspects of the data suggested the instrument may have been viewing the inside of the mast instead of the Martian landscape. If the dust cover or mirror is no longer moving properly, we may have lost the ability to use that instrument on Opportunity, said Steve Squyres of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., principal investigator for the rovers' science instruments. It would be the first permanent loss of an instrument on either rover. But we'll see.
Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims MeteoriteFellInTheirCourtyardinIndia
sorry that chart didn't come through right.here's the link, it's easier http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm it shows the percentage by groups of Americans that believes in creationism. if the general public could tell what makes an expert credible, someone else would be president. take care susan - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims MeteoriteFellInTheirCourtyardinIndia Hi Svend- I think it relates to cultural differences, which are real if somewhat politically incorrect to acknowledge. Russia has a long history of accepting pseudoscience inside its mainstream scientific and educational communities- something that continues to this day. Research into paranormal phenomena, bizarre medical theories, astrology, and the like is carried out by workers at universities to this day. This carries on a tradition dating back to Lysenko, arguably Velikovsky (who left Russia but was the product of a Russian education), and much of the Russian research into Tunguska. Many scientists in Russia recognize that this is a huge problem facing their science system as a whole- that not only is the public unable to distinguish between science and pseudoscience, but neither can many formal educational institutions. My own extensive experience with Indian scientists suggests that many seem to have rather odd ideas that are not consistent with science, although that does not in general prevent them from carrying out high quality scientific work. I've also seen a lack of recognition in the public for the concept of scientific specialties- so that anybody branded a scientist, regardless of field, may be taken as an expert in any scientific matter. I expect something like that is what happens with these exceedingly poor meteor/meteorite reports we see coming out of India. Of course, such things happen in all countries, but seem to be more common in some than in others. While I strongly doubt that anywhere near half the U.S. population believes in a young Earth, it is certainly too many. But the quality of science in the U.S. is very high- the best in the world IMO. Pseudoscience or simply bad science is not tolerated in the scientific community. Furthermore, even amongst the general public, there seems to be an understanding of what makes an expert credible, and unscientific beliefs are largely kept separate from scientific beliefs. While the lack of scientific knowledge (and credulity and skepticism in general) is woefully poor in the U.S., the situation appears to me quite different from what is seen in Russia or India. As an example of how cultural differences can affect pseudoscientific beliefs, you can look to Creation Science/Intelligent Design in the U.S. (which is universally viewed as pseudoscience in the scientific community, but not by a significant percentage of the public), or homeopathy in much of Europe, which is not only accepted as valid by a large part of the public, but receives state funds for research and for public health. But these things have much narrower scope than what is seen in some countries. I wouldn't say that I look down on India or Russia, simply that I recognize a reality in their scientific systems and scientific philosophy. It means I may scrutinize a paper coming from Russia closer than I would one coming from the U.S. My earlier comment about not a single scientist in India was (I hope) obviously hyperbole, but I do think that way too many scientists there are quick to give absurdly incorrect information, and way too many journalists are quick to print it... far more of either than we find in the U.S. or western Europe. Anyway, enough said. Agree or disagree... it isn't my intent to start a big argument. I think we can all agree that certain areas of the world produce particularly poor meteor/meteorite reports (and sometimes, a complete lack of follow-up), regardless of the underlying reason. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims Meteorite FellInTheirCourtyardinIndia Chris wrote: I think there are certain countries that are much more likely to embrace bad science or pseudoscience (India and Russia come immediately to mind). You mean like countries where creationist theme parks attract the crowds and where nearly half the population believes the earth is less than 1 years old? I say there is no reason to look down on India or Russia in this regard. Svend __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims MeteoriteFellInTheirCourtyardinIndia
Furthermore, even amongst the general public, there seems to be an understanding of what makes an expert credible, and unscientific beliefs are largely kept separate from scientific beliefs. where do you live? The Gallup Organizations periodically asks the American public about their beliefs on evolution and creation. They have conducted a poll of U.S. adults in 1982, 1991, 1993 and 1997. By keeping their wording identical, each year's results are comparable to the others. Results for the 1991-NOV-21 to 24 poll were: Belief system Creationist view Theistic evolution Naturalistic Evolution Group of adults God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process, including man's creation. Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. God had no part in this process. Everyone 47% 40% 9% Men 39% 45% 11.5% Women 53% 36% 6.6% College graduates 25% 54% 16.5% No high school diploma 65% 23% 4.6% Income over $50,000 29% 50% 17% Income under $20,000 59% 28% 6.5% Caucasians 46% 40% 9% African-Americans 53% 41% 4% - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims MeteoriteFellInTheirCourtyardinIndia Hi Svend- I think it relates to cultural differences, which are real if somewhat politically incorrect to acknowledge. Russia has a long history of accepting pseudoscience inside its mainstream scientific and educational communities- something that continues to this day. Research into paranormal phenomena, bizarre medical theories, astrology, and the like is carried out by workers at universities to this day. This carries on a tradition dating back to Lysenko, arguably Velikovsky (who left Russia but was the product of a Russian education), and much of the Russian research into Tunguska. Many scientists in Russia recognize that this is a huge problem facing their science system as a whole- that not only is the public unable to distinguish between science and pseudoscience, but neither can many formal educational institutions. My own extensive experience with Indian scientists suggests that many seem to have rather odd ideas that are not consistent with science, although that does not in general prevent them from carrying out high quality scientific work. I've also seen a lack of recognition in the public for the concept of scientific specialties- so that anybody branded a scientist, regardless of field, may be taken as an expert in any scientific matter. I expect something like that is what happens with these exceedingly poor meteor/meteorite reports we see coming out of India. Of course, such things happen in all countries, but seem to be more common in some than in others. While I strongly doubt that anywhere near half the U.S. population believes in a young Earth, it is certainly too many. But the quality of science in the U.S. is very high- the best in the world IMO. Pseudoscience or simply bad science is not tolerated in the scientific community. Furthermore, even amongst the general public, there seems to be an understanding of what makes an expert credible, and unscientific beliefs are largely kept separate from scientific beliefs. While the lack of scientific knowledge (and credulity and skepticism in general) is woefully poor in the U.S., the situation appears to me quite different from what is seen in Russia or India. As an example of how cultural differences can affect pseudoscientific beliefs, you can look to Creation Science/Intelligent Design in the U.S. (which is universally viewed as pseudoscience in the scientific community, but not by a significant percentage of the public), or homeopathy in much of Europe, which is not only accepted as valid by a large part of the public, but receives state funds for research and for public health. But these things have much narrower scope than what is seen in some countries. I wouldn't say that I look down on India or Russia, simply that I recognize a reality in their scientific systems and scientific philosophy. It means I may scrutinize a paper coming from Russia closer than I would one coming from the U.S. My earlier comment about not a single scientist in India was (I hope) obviously hyperbole, but I do think that way too many scientists there are quick to give absurdly incorrect information, and way too many journalists are quick to print it... far more of either than we find in the U.S. or western Europe. Anyway, enough said. Agree or disagree... it isn't my intent to start a big argument. I think we can all agree that certain areas of the world produce particularly poor meteor/meteorite reports (and sometimes, a complete lack of
Re: [meteorite-list] oh no!just when you thought it was safe on ebay
who cares? the new Fantastic 4 movie is about to be released and an old scam artist is back on ebay. it's all good. happy memorial day weekend everyone. take care susan - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] oh no!just when you thought it was safe on ebay On Sat, 26 May 2007 07:07:36 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Well with the silver surfer coming soon you just thought you would be halfway safe on ebay Okay, how does the arrival of the Silver Surfer relate to Ebay safety? Other than the fact that the Silver Surfer shows up means that you'll soon never have to worry about Ebay again? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia
P. T. Barnum Never Did Say There's a Sucker Born Every Minute By R. J. Brown Editor-in-Chief P. T. Barnum is most often associated with the circus sideshow and the display of freaks. While this is true, he is also the founding force behind one of America's most famous circuses: Barnum Bailey Circus. Barnum is also affiliated with the famous quote There's a sucker born every minute. History, unfortunately, has misdirected this quotation. Barnum never did say it. Actually, it was said by his competitor. Here's the incredible story. From 1866 until 1868 Mr. George Hull, of Binghamton, New York studied archeology and paleontology. Over this period of time Hull contemplated how to pull off a hoax. It seems that many an evangelist at the time had been preaching that there were giants in the earth. In June of 1868 Hull traveled back to Fort Dodge, Iowa where there was a gypsum quarry he had recalled seeing two years earlier. Even then, he had noticed that the dark blue streaks running through the soft lime rock resembled human veins. Realizing this its appearance was tailor-made for his hoax and it was easy to carve, Hull hired a group of quarry workers to cut off a slab measuring twelve feet long, four feet wide and two feet thick. In November, Hull had his gypsum wrapped in canvas and hoisted onto a wagon. Since the nearest railroad was forty miles away, it proved to be a long, difficult job. He then had the slab of gypsum shipped by rail to Chicago where he had hired a stone cutter named Edward Burghardt to carve a giant. Burghardt and his two assistants, were sworn to secrecy and agreed to work on the piece in a secluded barn during their off hours and Sundays. The instructions were to carve the giant as if it had died in great pain, and the final result was an eerie figure, slightly twisted in apparent agony, with his right hand clutching his stomach. All of the details were there; toenails, fingernails, nostrils, sex organs and so forth. Even a needlepoint mallet was used to add authentic-looking skin pores. When the carving was done, sulfuric acid and ink were used to make the figure look aged. The giant finished, Hull then had the figure shipped by rail to the farm of William Newell, his cousin, located near the town of Cardiff, New York. In the dead of night, Hull, Newell and his oldest son buried the giant between the barn and house. They were instructed to say nothing about it and that Hull would let them know in about a year of what the next stage was. Luckily, about six months later, on another farm near the Newell's, some million year-old fossil bones were dug up. Newspapers around the country reported the finding. Hull was filled with glee in reading the accounts. True to his word, one year after burying the giant, Hull sent word to his cousin on October 15, 1869, to start the next stage of the hoax. Newell hired two laborers to dig a new well near his home. Newell directed them to the exact spot he wanted the well dug and went back into the house to wait -- anxiously. Sure enough, well into the day, the two laborers rushed up to the house to announce their discovery: a giant turned to stone! The laborers and both Newells carefully excavated the area surrounding the giant. News of this amazing discovery spread throughout the valley and soon wagon loads of neighbors streamed into Newell's farm to see the giant. By mid-afternoon, Newell erected a tent around the grave and started charging 25 cent admission. Two days later, the Syracuse Journal (New York) printed an article about the discovery. Being greedy, Newell raised the price to 50 cents, and a stage coach company made four round trips a day from Syracuse to the Newell farm. Thousands came every day. Among the visitors were clergymen, college professors and distinguished scientists. Before long, the expert's opinions split into two theories; one side claimed it was a true fossilized human giant and the other side pronounced it an authentic ancient statue. No one asserted that it was a fake! About ten days after the discovery, and about the time the Cardiff Giant, as the papers had named it, started receiving national attention, Hull sold two-thirds interest in the giant for $30,000 to a five-man syndicate in Syracuse, the head of which was a banker named David Hannum. The syndicate moved the giant to an exhibition hall in Syracuse and raised the admission price to a dollar a head. Unknown to them, P. T. Barnum sent an agent to see the giant and make an assessment. The particular Sunday the representative saw the giant, the crowds were abnormally large -- about 3,000 people. The agent wired the news back to Barnum and Barnum instructed him to make an offer of $50,000 to buy it. Hannum turned his offer down. The Cardiff Giant was the most talked about exhibit in the nation. Barnum wanted the giant to display himself while the attraction was still a hot topic of the
Re: [meteorite-list] all List members Mike re ThreatsfromMr Gregory
if Mike Farmer [and probably other meteorite hunters] didn't have those sometimes less than desirable qualities, predatory attitude, arrogance, in some degree, would we have access to as many meteorites? the guy must suffer constantly from jet lag, so that might explain his irritability and his somewhat less than tactful approach to some situations. he seems scientifically informed enough to recognize a meteorite. if all he wanted was profit aren't there's lots easier ways to do it? just a woman trying to understand. remember, the letter s in cosmic is purely optional. take care susan - Original Message - From: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] all List members Mike re ThreatsfromMr Gregory Dear friends, From time to time, I take the time and patience to read what is happening in this list. Invariably, Mike Farmer is exchanging insults with someone... If this list was something near neutrality, this gentleman would have been banned long, long ago... Anyway, from a certain distance, this fights can be very amusing, too. Pitty that the only interest of the meteorites for this guys is the potential profit, nothing else. Apart from his predator attitude, arrogance, irritability and scientific ignorance, what are his atributes? AA - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] all List members Mike re Threats fromMr Gregory on 3/10/07 8:11 AM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List members, this man is now making threats to my home and family.. Read this and tell me.. -- Dear Mike and all, Mike, would it help if you KNEW that NO ONE on the list wanted to read ANY of the posts about issues you and this fellow have with one another? If you knew that would you then spare us hearing about it??? I experience you as a fairly intelligent fellow, so, please, PLEASE pay attention: -- I suggest EVERYONE on the list think very carefully and decide if they want to hear about this dispute between Mike and this fellow. If even ONE list member WANTS to hear about it, please post to the list your opinion to this effect. - Mike - if NO ONE responds, perhaps you could leave your emotions in check for just a moment, fall back on your ample intelligence and keep any communications with this fellow strictly between you and him, as clearly, out of the hundreds of list members you will have heard for yourself that NOT ONE of the list members wants to hear about it. Sincerely, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] fireball over midwest
i'm going to go out and check my back yard. take care susan - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] fireball over midwest Contrary to the article posted by Ron, the fireball was traveling mainly north to south, and it looks like most of the action was over west central Illinois. It was west of Champaign. I have independent reports from Beardstown and Lewistown (30 miles apart) of sonic booms after the fireball passed overhead, with short enough time delays to suggest that the object was fairly low at that point (15-20 miles). One witness also reported electrophonic noise. Termination was probably somewhere between Beardstown and St Louis. I'm not investigating this fireball myself, but thought I'd pass along the information that has come my way. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Edwin Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] fireball over midwest Hello list members. Received two frantic calls from hunters who say there was a huge meteor over Illinois, Indiana and reports from Missouri. It was talked about by Paul Harvey this morning and it sounds like something large came in. Does anyone have more details? Thanks, E.T. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...ColoradoandNewJersey events
lol. i like this version much better : ) take care susan - Original Message - From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...ColoradoandNewJersey events Hi Marco, Chris, list, to be sincere I'd prefer ... ... that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with women prior to stealing all our missiles to host their alien spawn. Ready for print now. Best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...Colorado andNewJersey events If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn. Chris, Now you have spilled the beans, we'll have to eliminate you - Col. Langbroek New World Order Air Force Subversive Command and Control Unit X Area 51 ;-p Ah, I see you've never dealt with a rabid conspiracy theorist g. (BTW, I'm not putting Dirk in that category because of his comment.) These guys are fully capable of believing that not only could NORAD completely fabricate any elements, but that all the amateur satellite watchers have been subverted as well, or that their numbers are changed by the Global Internet Control Computer at NSA. Of course, I've been subverted, too. You should see some of the email I get after a big fireball, when I publicly offer such a prosaic explanation as a random collision with a bit of space debris. If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn. Of course, I agree with you completely- the orbital elements can be taken with a very high degree of trust. Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Twisted Sister AD
Dear List, I have a very nice 10.74 gram slice of the Eucrite NWA 1836, also known as the Twisted Sister for sale. $375 [includes priority mail/insured shipping]. This represents a significant savings per gram for this rare meteorite. Please contact me off list for picture, more info, etc. Willing to negotiate if you think the price is too high. Below is the write up from the Met. Bull. Thanks for looking. Take care susan patton I.M.C.A # 1982 Northwest Africa 1836 Morocco Found 2002 Achondrite (monomict eucrite) A 1102 g partially crusted, single stone was purchased in Rissani, Morocco in 2003. Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): highly contorted mass of eucrite clasts with cataclastic mantles that are in turn covered by partially melted to recrystallized masses. Cumulate texture with subophitic enclaves. Clast orthopyroxene, Fs56.4-59Wo2.5-4; exsolution lamellae, Fs43.4-46.3Wo23-25.6; recrystallized zone, Fs54.5-57.5Wo8.4-13.5. Chromite, Cr/(Cr+Al) = 0.85, TiO2 = 14.6 wt. % with exsolution lamellae of ilmenite; plagioclase, An91-93.6. Shock level, S1 to S5. The meteorite is very fresh. Specimens, 25.5 g, NAU; main mass, Oakes. Data from: MB89 Table 7 Line 25: Place of purchase: Morocco Date: 2002 Mass (g): 1102 Pieces: 1 Class: Euc Weathering grade: 0 Ferrosilite (mol%): 56.4-59 Type spec mass (g): 25.5 Info: Undefined note. NAU is Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff, AZ 86011, USA Comments: Plag An91-93.6 Institutions and collections NAU: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff, AZ 86011, USA. See http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What else do you collect?
Igon [harold ramis] in ghostbusters - Original Message - From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What else do you collect? I collect spores, molds and fungus Q: Who said that? -Walter Branch Actually, I collect stamps and covers and photons of light when I get the time. - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] What else do you collect? As a neophyte collector of meteorites I have amassed about $1K in specimens, all of which I cherish dearly. I am learning about preservation as some of my specimens are beginning to show signs of scaling, kamacite ooze and other such degradations. Interestingly enough, along the way I've also become interested in terrestrial rocks, fossils, impactites and the like. I was just wondering; What else does everyone collect? Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rusty rocks
way to go Trixie. i'll have to see if i can train my dogs. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. take care susan - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rusty rocks Since the list has a large combined knowledge and plenty of previous experience what is the best way to dry out meteorites gathered from a wet environment? would soaking in anhydrous alcohol or ether prior to oven drying do a better job of removing moisture from the interior? Some of the meteorites I have found locally are sweating rust even after repeated drying . Since meteorites conduct electricity has anyone ever tried using it to stabilize rusty rocks? seems to me the electricity would get right to the metal remove the water and reduce the oxidation but I am not sure if it would cause other undesirable effects. On another note after playing fetch using nwa 869 meteorites for several months, my Lab Trixie has found her first meteorite, a small ordinary chondrite. Best regards Steve -- Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Loan for $1399/mo - Calculate new house payment -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] article from the NYT
Ancient Crash, Epic Wave By SANDRA BLAKESLEE At the southern end of Madagascar lie four enormous wedge-shaped sediment deposits, called chevrons, that are composed of material from the ocean floor. Each covers twice the area of Manhattan with sediment as deep as the Chrysler Building is high. On close inspection, the chevron deposits contain deep ocean microfossils that are fused with a medley of metals typically formed by cosmic impacts. And all of them point in the same direction - toward the middle of the Indian Ocean where a newly discovered crater, 18 miles in diameter, lies 12,500 feet below the surface. The explanation is obvious to some scientists. A large asteroid or comet, the kind that could kill a quarter of the world's population, smashed into the Indian Ocean 4,800 years ago, producing a tsunami at least 600 feet high, about 13 times as big as the one that inundated Indonesia nearly two years ago. The wave carried the huge deposits of sediment to land. Most astronomers doubt that any large comets or asteroids have crashed into the Earth in the last 10,000 years. But the self-described band of misfits that make up the two-year-old Holocene Impact Working Group say that astronomers simply have not known how or where to look for evidence of such impacts along the world's shorelines and in the deep ocean. Scientists in the working group say the evidence for such impacts during the last 10,000 years, known as the Holocene epoch, is strong enough to overturn current estimates of how often the Earth suffers a violent impact on the order of a 10-megaton explosion. Instead of once in 500,000 to one million years, as astronomers now calculate, catastrophic impacts could happen every few thousand years. The researchers, who formed the working group after finding one another through an international conference, are based in the United States, Australia, Russia, France and Ireland. They are established experts in geology, geophysics, geomorphology, tsunamis, tree rings, soil science and archaeology, including the structural analysis of myth. Their efforts are just getting under way, but they will present some of their work at the American Geophysical Union meeting in December in San Francisco. This year the group started using Google Earth, a free source of satellite images, to search around the globe for chevrons, which they interpret as evidence of past giant tsunamis. Scores of such sites have turned up in Australia, Africa, Europe and the United States, including the Hudson River Valley and Long Island. When the chevrons all point in the same direction to open water, Dallas Abbott, an adjunct research scientist at Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., uses a different satellite technology to look for oceanic craters. With increasing frequency, she finds them, including an especially large one dating back 4,800 years. So far, astronomers are skeptical but are willing to look at the evidence, said David Morrison, a leading authority on asteroids and comets at the NASA Ames Research Center in Mountain View, Calif. Surveys show that as many as 185 large asteroids or comets hit the Earth in the far distant past, although most of the craters are on land. No one has spent much time looking for craters in the deep ocean, Dr. Morrison said, assuming young ones don't exist and that old ones would be filled with sediment. Astronomers monitor every small space object with an orbit close to the Earth. We know what's out there, when they return, how close they come, Dr. Morrison said. Given their observations, there is no reason to think we have had major hits in the last 10,000 years, he continued, adding, But if Dallas is right and they find 10 such events, we'll have a real contradiction on our hands. Peter Bobrowski, a senior research scientist in natural hazards at the Geological Survey of Canada, said chevrons are fantastic features but do not prove that megatsunamis are real. There are other interpretations for how chevrons are formed, including erosion and glaciation. Dr. Bobrowski said. It is up to the working group to prove its claims, he said. William Ryan, a marine geologist at the Lamont Observatory, compared Dr. Abbott's work to that of other pioneering scientists who had to change the way their colleagues thought about a subject. Many of us think Dallas is really onto something, Dr. Ryan said. She is building a story just like Walter Alvarez did. Dr. Alvarez, a professor of earth and planetary sciences at the University of California, Berkeley, spent a decade convincing skeptics that a giant asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Ted Bryant, a geomorphologist at the University of Wollongong in New South Wales, Australia, was the first person to recognize the palm prints of mega-tsunamis. Large tsunamis of 30 feet or more are caused by volcanoes, earthquakes and submarine landslides, he
[meteorite-list] AD NWA 1836 Twisted Sister Eucrite
Hi. I have a very nice 10.74g part slice of NWA 1836 for sale. This piece originally came from the Rocks From Heaven Collection. If interested please contact me off list for pictures, price, etc. Thanks very much. Take care susan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Encyclopedia of Meteorites : New features
ithought he answered that question clearly with this Registration is necessary in the website so that a member can't modify or delete the information of another member. It's always necessary when you program a website with a database behind. Security is important. take care susan - Original Message - From: Kashuba, Ontario, California [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pelé Pierre-Marie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Encyclopedia of Meteorites : New features Pierre-Marie, It's clear that registration is free. And you ask for contributibutions, which is fine. And you need passwords for people to work on their accounts which is certainly necessary. What I'm wondering why you want information on people before you allow them to view the Encyclopedia. - John - Original Message - From: Pelé Pierre-Marie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: Encyclopedia of Meteorites : New features Hello John, I don't understand your question. Registered members can modify their own account, edit datas and create a pseudonym. It was not possible before and was asked by several members. For non members, I just wrote they can register as it's free, to enjoy the Encyclopedia... Registration is necessary in the website so that a member can't modify or delete the information of another member. It's always necessary when you program a website with a database behind. Security is important. I don't sell the information if it's what you think about ? Regards, Pierre-Marie PELE www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com ___ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Encyclopedia of Meteorites : New features
seems i misunderstood Darren's last email. he sent me a very nice email off list explaining his point and i finally got it. sorry all for my duh, huh?? moment. susan - Original Message - From: batkol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Encyclopedia of Meteorites : New features i was under the impression if you asked to copy someone's info, they usually said yes. if they did all the work, it seems to me it's common courtesy to ask them first if you can use it to save the work, time, and/or money it would take to gather the info yourself.i don't think it's a misuse of security issue at all. just my $0.2. take care susan - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Encyclopedia of Meteorites : New features On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 23:21:21 +0200 (CEST), you wrote: Registering is part of our computer world. Didn't you register when you bought your PC Nope. and regstered your Windows software, Nope. didn't you register at your web provider ? Only because I have to. I haven't tried your site yet, so I'm not complaining about that (though if you have to register just to view stuff at all, that is usually a sign for me to move along from a site and not look back) but there is at least one meteorite site that really annoys me. I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but the person is so paranoid about not having some of the text copied from their descriptions, they did something to the site that made it stop Windows from being able to use the clipboard while that site is open. Not just not copy from those pages, no other running program is able to copy or paste anything, either. If you have anything that you need to copy from any program, you have to close down any browser windows showing that web site (and when the problem started showing up every once in a while, it took me a while to figure out what was happening). THAT is what I consider an offensive use of security. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone know this Moroccan Meteorite Dealer?
also, ask yourself when it was any well known, reputable dealers contacted you personally, out of the blue, to send you stones. they don't. not being fools, they announce any material for sale via the list, ebay, general newsletters, etc. there's usually a reason someone doesn't want to operate in the light of day. hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday. take care susan - Original Message - From: PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone know this Moroccan Meteorite Dealer? Hi List, I need some help. I have recently been contacted by a Moroccan meteorite dealer named Abdellah OAAF. He wants to sell me some meteorites but I am a little worried its a scam. Does anyone know of him? Is he a reputable dealer? I'd hate to send money to morocco and then hope I get a few nice meteorites. He did say that he's sold to a few American collectors I'm hoping maybe someone on the list has dealt with him and can let me know about his reputation etc... Any help would be appreciated. Ruben Garcia Hi If he can send You stuff first and payment will be later, then there is no stress for You. If he dont like it, leave him. Im sure he can offer only ordinary material for high prices, so there is usually no big deal in this kind of offers. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers Lean Toward Eight Planets
i before e except after c, and when sounded like a as in neighbor and weigh. a body is a planet, when [fill in the approved definition], except for Pluto . . . there are exceptions to every other rule ever conceived, seems like we could throw Pluto a bone and let it stay on the team without disrupting the order of the universe too much. just a half a cuppa coffee thought . . . take care susan - Original Message - From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers Lean Toward Eight Planets --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I look at Earth's surface and it's mostly dirt, so the planet Earth is mostly made of dirt, right? I know it's pedantic but waterball would be a better analogy. ~70% surface is water (not dirt) but there really isn't much of it on earth as a whole. I agree with your sentiments Sterling. I particularly thought Hmm, they're NEVER gonna call them frigospheres. titter. Although I am pro 8 I agree that suddenly demoting Pluto may end up making everyone look silly. As someone else pointed out, in 100 years, nobody's going to cae what we call them. I suspect that in 100 years I won't care either. Somehow I doubt that science can make me live to 140 when it cannot properly decide what a planet is! Can't we just ignore the problem? Maybe it'll go away! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] what is this, really
http://cgi.ebay.com/lunar-meteorite-impact-melt-anorthosite_W0QQitemZ260023884135QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem thanks. take care susan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: The Denver Show
it was fun to watch . . . : ) susan - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 8:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: The Denver Show Anne posted: The Denver Show is less than a month away Dear Anne: Are you going to beat up the manager of La Loma restaurant again this year? That was definitely the highlight of the 2005 show : ) Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Off-Topic: My wife is always right!
absolutely, as always Anne. take care susan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Off-Topic: My wife is always right! In a message dated 7/31/2006 3:33:58 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hum... Is there a woman on this list? My wife too, think that I am slighly mentaly retarded. AA Yes, Armando, there are several women on this list. We just don't get into mud-slinging. Right, Ladies? Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game
i'll take 1789.50g. take care susan patton - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game On 7/17/06, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a large area and I predict many stones will be found. Great idea Mike whether you know it or not. New challenge for everyone to play: Guess the Total recovered weight of this fall. Absolute closest to the first published number wins (unless one of you wiser members out there has a better idea). I'll start. My guess is 2345.67 grams. Robert, can you keep track of this game as well? Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay: Bad luck meteorite
http://www.city-data.com/city/Divernon-Illinois.html it's a tiny town, but it does exist. susan - Original Message - From: Mike Fowler To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Mike Fowler Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay: Bad luck meteorite http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:112item=230004456922id= The "Bad Luck Meteorite" sold on ebay for $2,500.00! I'm wondering if any list member checked it out? Any one in the know, please tell us what you know. Thanks, Mike Fowler Chicago PS I started to do a little checking myself, but got no farther than not being able to locate any such place as Divemon, IL. __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Even more of that darned Brenham
stupid question: can the brenham fall actually be two falls. could it have been several large stones traveling in a group, one caught by earth at one time and the second one caught on a later pass? or is it too highly coincidental that they both landed in kansas in the same area that makes this impossible? thanks for indulging my ignorance. take care susan patton - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Even more of that darned Brenham Hi all - It is possible that the Brenham impact is related to the Five Nations' tradition of the Flying Heads (Whirlwinds), but a problem here is that this tradition is reliably (by wampum bead count) dated to 200-250 CE, while the one radio carbon date given for Brenham is 47 BCE. If you find any organic remains while digging up the pieces there, please document them exactly and store them in plastic baggies. happy hunting, EP --- Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boy if this keeps up maybe I'll be able to afford a nice slice of a Brenham Pallasite Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Even more of that darned Brenham A rotted/puzzle piece new main mass? Photo on site http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/14956160.htm Posted on Mon, Jul. 03, 2006 KIOWA COUNTY DISCOVERY Newfound meteorite may be among largest BY BECCY TANNER The Wichita Eagle Don Stimpson thinks he has found a new meteorite crater in a Kiowa County field that was thought to have been largely cleared of meteorites. The public can get a look at what he found Saturday during the town of Haviland's meteorite festival. If testing confirms that the field is an impact site, Stimpson said, it's a pretty big discovery. I'm as excited as can be about this new discovery, he said. Stimpson and the field's owner, Paul Ross, used a giant metal detector recently to locate a number of rocks that together may make up one of the largest meteorites of its kind. Stimpson said the metal detector's sound was so loud that he thought they had found the remains of an old, rusty culvert. Ross took a shovel, dug down and turned over a piece of meteorite. We dug and dug and brought up a 250-pound meteorite, Stimpson said. And then we looked, and there was another one there. We dug it out and... well, wait a minute, there is more. We brought 1,500 pounds of meteorite from that one hole. Last fall, professional meteorite-hunter Steve Arnold found a record-breaking 1,400-pound meteorite two miles southeast of Ross' land. The Brenham meteorites, named for Brenham Township near Haviland, fell some 20,000 years ago. They are some of the best-known and sought-after in the world for their crystals, which look like stained glass when cut. They are known as pallasites and are extremely rare. David Alexander, a Wichita State University physics professor whose specialty is astronomy, said that if Stimpson's find proves to be a single meteorite, it would be the largest pallasite ever found. One way to tell whether it is an impact site, Alexander said, is if the bedrock below is shattered. Stimpson said the bottom of the crater has a thick layer of rust about 20 feet in diameter. We do not know how far it extends, he said. I'll keep working on the site as long as I can and submit a scientific paper with my data when we are finished. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] ebay sniping
Martin, interesting that this should come up on the list. i can't count how many times i've contacted a seller on their website, ready to buy and never received a response. there are exceptions of course, and i do buy from the dealers who answer my emails but frequently, ebay has been my only choice. just an observation from a sometimes frustrated collector. enjoy the weekend take care susan - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:14 AM Subject: AW: AW: [meteorite-list] ebay sniping Hiho Bill, It was only my experience, not a lecture. And you might understand my drive to tell my observations to the list, because ebay is an important platform, where meteorites are sold, and a sometimes more ratiocinating way to buy there can help the collectors to save money or to get more for their budget. I'm not condemning ebay or people using sniper programs, it's a free world, but I was wondering often about the irrational behaviour of the bidders there. You may understand, when I tell you the situation of the German meteorite market. Due to a little economical crises and a hysteria unleashed by the mass media, people tended here in all branches to reduce their consumption drastically and to carry each penny to the bank. Meteorites were of course also afflicted, as the first thing where people save money is with their hobbies. (In fact my sales in Germany my drastically dropped suddenly to a level of only 10% of the volume 3 years ago). On the other hand there was a common sense - Norbert nicely translated the slogan in the Munich show report - of stinginess is stylish and people had a new sparetime activity, the hunt for bargains. Also their cup of tea and not to by commented by me. But! Because of this Zeitgeist, the meteorite collectors stopped buying at regular prices and bought almost exclusively on ebay, acting in good faith, that in either case they would get the best of bargain there, because on ebay they set the price. The German collectors scene and the meteorite section in German ebay is much smaller than in USA, so I would say, that I know 90% of the routine bidders there. And the observations I made in selling on ebay my own material, but also when I saw them bidding on other stuff lead to that survey: For certain items they paid on average much, much more than they would have to pay, if they would take them at regular prices from most dealer-pages. And that is very strange. Of course auctions boost such thrilling factors like that one is fighting against others to win, but interesting is, that all in all most have no idea about meteorite prices. If they are looking for electronic devices e.g. it never happens, that they would pay twice or three times more than the normal retail price. Though it would be very easy to get an idea for the value or price of a locales if one simply takes a look onto the dealers_list or, and I have to confess, when I have forgotten a price of a meteorite, I simply just throw into google: the meteorite name + meteorite + sale - and get in a second a list of offers from different dealers, where I can see, what normally the price is - if those bidders would do the same, it wouldn't happen, that they bid multiple prices than the usual ones onto a meteorite specimen. Now note again, how especially strange this must have been for me! German collectors, with some exceptions of course, weren't buying anymore at all from me at my regular prices, cause they thought to make bargains on ebay. Most of them had my price lists, nevertheless they paid much more on ebay for the same locales in similar sizes and quality at other offerers or even, on my very specimens, when I listed them there. I sold so less, that I almost quit meteorite selling and because I was stupid or I had scruples, I didn't use ebay to get out higher prices, but sold my specimens to dealers, who made nothing else, than to list them on ebay, with good results. It might sound to be a great fun to get a piece heftily overpaid, but in fact a seller would be more happy, if all those who demonstrably by their bid, which exceeded the price, the seller wants to get out for the piece, are willing to pay more, would buy each a piece at the regular price. They would save money and the seller would have a larger cash flow. To operate with reserve prices, buy-it-now ect. doesn't help, cause the sensation of the bidders then is, that it's no auction and no bargain. Other side of the medal is, that due the lack of knowledge of the prices valuable specimens simply can die on ebay (as seller one has to have a pre-sensation, what works there, and what not), and ebay can be a fine place to buy. I purchased stuff at prices... historical meteorites, if I would ask a dealer-friend to give it to me at such prices, he would in the best case think, that I'm suffering from a temporal mental disease and
Re: [meteorite-list] Wall street journal...
thanks for clearing that up. i was starting to look at my lot of 5 gram pieces as the down payment for a new car. happy father's day where applicable. take care susan - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wall street journal... It was a big typo. The slice was 11 KILOgrams. Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites Dave Harris wrote: Hi, My Dad (who lives 1/2 the year in Florida to escape our dour winters) sent me a cutting from the Wall Street Journal dated 13 May 2006 - with a small article on meteorites and the prices that some specimens (and pics) that were sold at auctions recently. Most notable for me was the 11g Esquel slice that sold for, wait for it, $165,000, with the sale being attributed to Mile High Meteorites, also mentioned was Bonham's NY sale of a campo of unspecified weight for $91,375. I don't know if any of you get the Wall Street Journal or not, I cannot access it online unless I subscribe, which I ain't going to! I do find it almost impossible to believe that 11g of Esquel could go for that much, but if anyone's interested I've a 146g slice that they can have for $5million!! Is this just very bad journalism or a typo? Anyone know the story here? Thanks! dave IMCA #0092 Sec. BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new orleans meteorite
Steve, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=16960 this link will help. susan - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] new orleans meteorite Hi list.I am just wondering.What is the biggest piece of the NEW ORLEANS meteorite out there?I just purchased a 12.2 gram fragment and I just do not see any available except in itty bitty micro's.Please enlighten me. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] fake Mars back on ebay charset=iso-8859-1
don't you think it would be irrelevant to the buyer of this meteorite if was authentic or not? the fool who buys it for that price and has to pick it up--really for that price spring for freight--is the one who's nuts. carpe noctem. take care susan - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] fake Mars back on ebay charset=iso-8859-1 Right - up to the point where it becomes fraudlent representation. I'm not sure of the legalities of his trying to sell it as a meteorite from Mars if it has been classified otherwise by multiple institutions. I will certainly advise him of my reservations in that area. Gary On 14 May 2006 at 0:48, Martin Altmann wrote: t's a free world, where everyone has the right to believe in what he wants. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Buyer beware has many meanings
Bill, i've bought more than one meteorite from Adam and i'll buy from him again in the future. i get exactly the meteorite shown in the auction, it's described accurately, packed well, always has an id card, and i don't wait three weeks for him to get around to sending it to me. i've never felt ripped off because i'm the one who types in my highest bid. i collect meteorites, he's in the business of selling them and hopefully makes a profit doing so because he'd be an idiot to give them away for what he puts into getting them. if a seller proves to be reliable and has what i want, i buy from them. i don't begrudge anyone a profit, especially since it's me that ultimately decides what a piece is worth. business is business, opinions are opinions. for instance, i'd buy a meteorite from you if it was a quality piece and a good deal despite some of your posts to the list. i'd also like to add that Adam was complete with soul as well as quite gracious and kind when i met him in denver last year. saw no 666 tatooed on his scalp. lastly, thanks for not buying from him. one less competitor on ebay is always appreciated. hope everyone has a pleasant weekend. take care susan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 8:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Buyer beware has many meanings The first meteorites I purchased were from the Hupes. As soon as I heard Adam open his mouth, I read everything in the archives that related to him. For obvious reasons, I never bought from him again. His arrogance and avarice inspired me to caution. I concluded that there must be more like him in this business. I was correct. For that I thank him. He's an extreme on one end of the scale as golfyx was on the other. Adam has succeeded in buying his way to what he perceives as credibility but for my money he has less than many of the bottom feeders. He just keeps getting worse. All that potential for good wasted. He's as mad as the proverbial hatter. Quality and integrity are not synonymous, especially when considering a purchase from Adam. Why would anyone finance this money grubbing husk of an empty soul by buying his treacherously hyped booty? Take Care, Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 3, 2006
i don't think i've ever seen a cuter meteorite on this page . . . . take care susan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 3, 2006 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/April_3.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT Ad: for sale: Rock Rascal Model J
Hellolist. Hope you're all enjoying your Sunday. I've got a brand new 6" Rock Rascal that's been opened but never used. Reason it's never been used is because I bought a larger Covington lapidary saw. The cheapest retail cost for these is about$99 plus shipping, without the motor, blade, belt and pulley.This oneis $75 plus $9 for shipping. If you need a motor to go with it, I've got a Dayton 1/3hp 1725rpm motor, with bracket, that's never been used, for $15 [a bargain]but will cost about $16toship due to it's weight. You would need to get a blade, belt and a pulley. Total cost for both shipped $115. Please contact me off list if interested. Will of course considertrading the Rascal for meteorites. thanks. take care susan patton batkol55 on ebay __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] An unusual spam post
looks like someone went to the meteorite yellow pages on met. times or another like website and copied all the addresses. - Original Message - From: R. N. Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] An unusual spam post I received one of the typical Nigerian spam messages today ( wanting to place an order by cc.) but though this one was particularily interesting because of who it was directed to. It would be interesting to try to trace the origin of one like this in particular due to the sender's selection of recipients! Does anyone know of this sender? (Maybe it is a stolem address.) murphy cole [EMAIL PROTECTED][This is spam] Mark Unread To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Henbury - Wabar history
what does this mean I am already a holy one? has the Pope made you a saint already? i'm obviously missing something here . . . . susan - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Henbury - Wabar history Farmer, you seen the negativity in all messaggesI am already a holy one, look the 21 Septemberand with this I close, the unique time I not fight with you, you see what you want seebye bye Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: No Matteo, it was in my collection, I sold it. You are the man, the shiznit, da bomb, you are the top collector in the world. Maybe the Pope will make you a saint? Give me a break Matteo, 2.5 kilo Henbury? Why don't you come to Tucson show next year. Your head would explode with more than 2 kilos of moon in my room, 1 TON pallasites sitting around etc. I congratulated you, and you harass me. What else is new? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:04 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Henbury - Wabar history mm its write Mike Farmer collection.. Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: I jut sold an individual of 10 kilos to a list member. So I am not that envious Matteo. Congrats though. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:52 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Henbury - Wabar history to much fewI need a history with informations on th found of the crater and of the meteorites.Farmer, if you only seen what piece of Henbury its under arrive to me uhauhauhaI say only its a end piece of 2.14 kg.. Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Buy the Catalog of Meteorites or the Handbook of Meteorites. Mike Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:49 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Henbury - Wabar history Hello I need a short history of the Henbury and Wabar meteorites. Thanks Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: chiama da PC a telefono a tariffe esclusive http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
give them candy. : ) take care susan - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? 5. Take little samples with you (small Gaos, Canyon Diablos, Henburies) and distribute them as little presents, for them exitedly showing them to their parents and friends. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Lebofsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 16:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have an iron (best because it is different), hand it around with an equal-sized meteorwrong. It makes a point. Most other meteorites look like rocks so it is difficult for young kids to relate to these coming from space. 4. Have fun, get excited: you may get a few converts to science (or at least an interest in meteorites). Hope this helps. Larry Quoting Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Larry A. Lebofsky Senior Research Scientist Co-editor, Meteorite If you give a man a fish, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory you feed him for a day. 1541 East University If you teach a man to fish, University of Arizonayou feed him for a lifetime. Tucson, AZ 85721-0063 ~Chinese Proverb Phone: 520-621-6947 FAX:520-621-8364 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA science-opressor quits
NYT article February 8, 2006 A Young Bush Appointee Resigns His Post at NASA By ANDREW C. REVKIN George C. Deutsch, the young presidential appointee at NASA who told public affairs workers to limit reporters' access to a top climate scientist and told a Web designer to add the word theory at every mention of the Big Bang, resigned yesterday, agency officials said. Mr. Deutsch's resignation came on the same day that officials at Texas AM University confirmed that he did not graduate from there, as his résumé on file at the agency asserted. Officials at NASA headquarters declined to discuss the reason for the resignation. Under NASA policy, it is inappropriate to discuss personnel matters, said Dean Acosta, the deputy assistant administrator for public affairs and Mr. Deutsch's boss. The resignation came as the National Aeronautics and Space Administration was preparing to review its policies for communicating science to the public. The review was ordered Friday by Michael D. Griffin, the NASA administrator, after a week in which many agency scientists and midlevel public affairs officials described to The New York Times instances in which they said political pressure was applied to limit or flavor discussions of topics uncomfortable to the Bush administration, particularly global warming. As we have stated in the past, NASA is in the process of revising our public affairs policies across the agency to ensure our commitment to open and full communications, the statement from Mr. Acosta said. The statement said the resignation of Mr. Deutsch was a separate matter. Mr. Deutsch, 24, was offered a job as a writer and editor in NASA's public affairs office in Washington last year after working on President Bush's re-election campaign and inaugural committee, according to his résumé. No one has disputed those parts of the document. According to his résumé, Mr. Deutsch received a Bachelor of Arts in journalism, Class of 2003. Yesterday, officials at Texas AM said that was not the case. George Carlton Deutsch III did attend Texas AM University but has not completed the requirements for a degree, said an e-mail message from Rita Presley, assistant to the registrar at the university, responding to a query from The Times. Repeated calls and e-mail messages to Mr. Deutsch on Tuesday were not answered. Mr. Deutsch's educational record was first challenged on Monday by Nick Anthis, who graduated from Texas AM last year with a biochemistry degree and has been writing a Web log on science policy, scientificactivist.blogspot.com. After Mr. Anthis read about the problems at NASA, he said in an interview: It seemed like political figures had really overstepped the line. I was just going to write some commentary on this when somebody tipped me off that George Deutsch might not have graduated. He posted a blog entry asserting this after he checked with the university's association of former students. He reported that the association said Mr. Deutsch received no degree. A copy of Mr. Deutsch's résumé was provided to The Times by someone working in NASA headquarters who, along with many other NASA employees, said Mr. Deutsch played a small but significant role in an intensifying effort at the agency to exert political control over the flow of information to the public. Such complaints came to the fore starting in late January, when James E. Hansen, the climate scientist, and several midlevel public affairs officers told The Times that political appointees, including Mr. Deutsch, were pressing to limit Dr. Hansen's speaking and interviews on the threats posed by global warming. Yesterday, Dr. Hansen said that the questions about Mr. Deutsch's credentials were important, but were a distraction from the broader issue of political control of scientific information. He's only a bit player, Dr. Hansen said of Mr. Deutsch. The problem is much broader and much deeper and it goes across agencies. That's what I'm really concerned about. On climate, the public has been misinformed and not informed, he said. The foundation of a democracy is an informed public, which obviously means an honestly informed public. That's the big issue here. - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA science-opressor quits Sorry I can't link directly to the NY Times articles, but you have to regester to the site to see them (free regestration, but still annoying). Anyway, here's the /. link. http://science.slashdot.org/science/06/02/08/1240226.shtml __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Harvey Awards - New Catagory
yes. susan - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Harvey Awards - New Catagory Dear List Members, A month or two ago I posted to the list that I felt that Steve Arnold - IMB and Phil Mani should be nominated for a Harvey Award for their Huge Brenham Main Mass discovery and also Geoff Notkin for his tireless work on behalf of the Hurricane Katrina Fund Raiser among other too-numerous to list meteorite-related activities. I know that Geoff and Steve originally set up the Harvey Awards where they could not nominate themselves for an award. I would like all list members to join me here on the list to nominate these fine gentleman for a Harvey Award an encourage them to make a new category where they could receive an award if enough of us voted YES to this. Maybe they could create a People's Choice award or something along these lines. Everyone in favor, send the list a resounding YES and lets acknowledge their contributions and achievements in public. Consider this my YES vote... Best regards, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 3163 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Guide To North American Meteorites
http://www.astronomicalleague.com/MeteorMap.htm this looks like what you want susan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Guide To North American Meteorites Hello List, Does anybody know where I can get a copy of Bill Peck's Guide to North American Meteorites? If not, is there another map with similar information? Edward Kerr __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] a holiday wish
peace. take care of yourselves and others. susan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] baygorria on ebay
this person has 200+kg of baygorria for sale unless i read the ads wrong. thought, as is stated in description, only one 80kg mass found? http://cgi.ebay.com/WORLD-CLASS-MUSEUM-QUALITY-BAYGORRIA-METEORITE-175-kg_W0QQitemZ6587606440QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated
i looked up the definitions of both words and oriented seems just a hair more appropriate than orientated for meteorites. just an ex-english teacher's two cents. take care susan 1.. Orient The countries of Asia, especially of eastern Asia. 2.. 1.. The luster characteristic of a pearl of high quality. 2.. A pearl having exceptional luster. 3.. Archaic. The place on the horizon where the sun rises; the east. adj. 1.. Having exceptional luster: orient gemstones. 2.. Archaic. Eastern; oriental. 3.. Archaic. Rising in the sky; ascending. v. or·i·ent·ed, or·i·ent·ing, or·i·ents (ôr-nt, r-) v. tr. 1.. To locate or place in a particular relation to the points of the compass: orient the swimming pool north and south. 2.. 1.. To locate or position so as to face the east. 2.. To build (a church) with the nave laid out in an east-west direction and the main altar usually at the eastern end. 3.. To align or position with respect to a point or system of reference: oriented the telescope toward the moon; oriented her interests toward health care. 4.. To determine the bearings of. 5.. To make familiar with or adjusted to facts, principles, or a situation. 6.. To focus (the content of a story or film, for example) toward the concerns and interests of a specific group. v. intr. 1.. To turn toward the east. 2.. To become adjusted or aligned. -- [Middle English, from Old French, from Latin orins, orient-, rising sun, east, from present participle of orr, to arise, be born. See er-1 in Indo-European Roots.] [Download Now or Buy the Book] Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Main Entry: oriented Function: adjective : having psychological orientation the patient was alert and oriented Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. oriented adj : adjusted or located in relation to surroundings or circumstances; sometimes used in combination; the house had its large windows oriented toward the ocean view; helping freshmen become oriented to college life; the book is value-oriented throughout [syn: orientated] [ant: unoriented] o·ri·en·tate( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôr-n-tt, -n-, r-) v. o·ri·en·tat·ed, o·ri·en·tat·ing, o·ri·en·tates v. tr. To orient: He... stood for a moment, orientating himself exactly in the light of his knowledge (John le Carré). v. intr. To face or turn to the east. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated 11/11/2005 11:07:49 PM Mexico Standard Time, ncaliva escribe: Hi everyone I'm new but have been watching for a month or so. Which way is right for meteorites oriented or orientated? Hola NCALIVA, Welcome to the crowd! We actually had some posts about this in the past - you can search the archives to see them accessed from the meteoritecentral.com page, or better yet a site search on google for the word orientated meteorite. There was no firm conclusion the way I remember, though there were some strong opinions that thought orientated was a bastardization of the word orientation, and that oriented was proper. Why make words longer than you have too...unless you have a special rational. So oriented would be the first choice. At least that was the majority opinion. Hope that helps! Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list prime.gif Description: GIF image emacr.gif Description: GIF image ebreve.gif Description: GIF image lprime.gif Description: GIF image omacr.gif Description: GIF image imacr.gif Description: GIF image attachment: pron.jpg amacr.gif Description: GIF image schwa.gif Description: GIF image __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Katrina Charity Raffle
much better. - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katrina Charity Raffle Notkin??? Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katrina Charity Raffle Just back from the meteorite raffle, finished like 30 minutes ago! You will never believe who won the first grand prize! Oh my... Mike Farmer --- Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I would have been notified about winning the Meteorite Hunting Expedition by now...;] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Raffle Major Update
As of today, you have raised more than $2,300 for the Red Cross. Hats off to everyone who pitched in. holy mudhead mackeral, that's quite an impressive figure. good work! - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Raffle Major Update Dear Friends and Listees: Greetings all. I have just completed a major update to our 2005 Meteorite Charity Raffle project, and I think you will all be surprised by the quality, quantity, and ingenuity of these prizes. Newest additions have been placed at the top of the page for ease of viewing. We will shortly be breaking the prizes up into groupings: First Prize, Second Prize, etc. There will be MULTIPLE prizes awarded. I have also received a kind offer of numerous smaller items, which we will not have time to list on the site, but we will use them to make sure that as many people as possible go home with a nice meteorite memento from our charity raffle. Thanks to Steve Arnold IMB for organizing that. Here is the updated prize page: http://www.aerolite.org/meteorite-raffle.htm In addition, a few especially rare and collectible items have been offered to the project, and we are considering a series of special auctions on Ebay for those donated items, after the Denver show. More on that later. If someone would like to volunteer to help with Ebay sales, please let me know. I will have to stop accepting raffle prizes within the next couple of days. If you have something you'd like to donate, please don't delay (last minute additions may be accepted but will not appear on the website). Ticket sales continue. PLEASE NOTE: The cut-off date for ticket sales is Monday, September 12. If I have not received your payment by that date, you will not be eligible to participate in the prize drawing, sorry. We will try to accommodate last-minute cash ticket sales during the Denver Show, but I am making no promises. Payments can be made through PayPal (use link on raffle page), or you can mail personal checks (made out to the American Red Cross please) to me at: Geoffrey Notkin P.O. Box 36652 Tucson, AZ 85740 Anne Black of the Denver COMETS has kindly offered to receive prizes by mail, on our behalf in Denver. She will post her mailing address shortly. Blaine Reed has kindly offered to display prizes in his room during the Denver Show. We suggest that our friends in Europe who have donated prizes do not mail them at this time. We will ask you to mail prizes directly to the winners, following the drawing. As of today, you have raised more than $2,300 for the Red Cross. Hats off to everyone who pitched in. More news when I have it : ) Best to all, Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Orleans
the original statement was all proceeds go to the red cross. it was on that basis i donated and joined the effort. let's not ruin a great idea arguing the philosphy of non profit organizations/christian and just go with the original plan. the important thing here is the people need help and we've got a good start on getting them some. thank you susan al Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Orleans In a message dated 9/5/2005 12:51:32 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Anne and all, Is that the International Red Cross or the American Red Cross?? --AL Hello Al and all, Back to the paper: The article does not specify, but going by the context, I would guess that it is the American Red Cross. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Orleans
ps. seems to me i remember Geoff et. al. asked for suggestions before this started. that would have been the time to bring up these discussions. or am i wrong? thanks again. take care susan - Original Message - From: batkol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Orleans the original statement was all proceeds go to the red cross. it was on that basis i donated and joined the effort. let's not ruin a great idea arguing the philosphy of non profit organizations/christian and just go with the original plan. the important thing here is the people need help and we've got a good start on getting them some. thank you susan al Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Orleans In a message dated 9/5/2005 12:51:32 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Anne and all, Is that the International Red Cross or the American Red Cross?? --AL Hello Al and all, Back to the paper: The article does not specify, but going by the context, I would guess that it is the American Red Cross. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] No charities
Dave, you're theoretically 100% right. problem is, most of us who live here know there's light years between theory and reality. thanks susan some men see things the way they are and say why? i look at how things could be and say why not? Robert Kennedy - Original Message - From: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] No charities Hi, I may be accidentally offending people, and that is not my intent, of course however, isn't contributing to charities simply helping the Government and the wealthy and influential to hang onto their precious money? This crisis should be sourced and paid for by your taxes, like the War If everyone contributes to charities, then that lets a lot of rich people (and let's face it, there are a lot of people in the States who could shell out a few million) of the moral hook, because they will say that the needs of the Diaspora will be met by charity and not their own resources. This problem of levees bursting was, as far as I know a long standing potential problem but no resources were directed - then when it happens it takes your Boss about 5 days to acknowledge that there's a problem... Charities can support smaller, local or parochial issues fine, but national disasters are your government's remit - you pay to protect your homeland, now Bush needs to cough up. I am not American, but I have family (sibling and my dad) who have lived there for 30 years...and that is the only pathetic justification for my opinion... and that is all it is, my opinion so don't shoot me down... but I think save your charity for other needy groups - this one is for the Bush Administration Sorry if I offend - I have no intention in dabbling in your politics or your good intentioned charitable donations, I just wanted to mention what I thought. thanks d. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WANT AD: information about the Lost City, Ok fall
I'm trying to find out where the Lost City, Cherokee Co., Ok fall on Jan 3, 1970 ended up. A friend of mine was at a drive-in when it streaked behind the screen and i thought it might be nice to get a picture [or better yet a piece but i don't think that will happen] for her. please contact me off list if you can help me out. thanks. take care susan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) (SALE) please stop the bashing
is my server hiccupping again? am i the only one that's gotten about 6 copies of this? susan - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) (SALE) please stop the bashing I have uploaded 7 more pieces to my summer meteorite sale today.Everything is all half- off.I will also pay shipping.Please only the people who want to buy from me need reply.PLEASE no defaming me,no harrasing me,no private racist remarks about my family,and please no remarks about the fine people on this list.I have also gone back on alot of my emails to the list and I noticed that most of my emails HAVE BEEN meteorite related.Do not forget about the threads that concerned,RELIGION,MONEY BANK ACCOUNTS,MY VACATION PICTURES,ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SPAMMED ME BECAUSE THEY HAD NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAT DAY,PUTTING ME IN THE SAME CLASS AS JOEL WARREN and MIKE CASPER,etc.,etc.I could go back and I am sure I could find many non-meteorite related items.Do not forget the farmer/hupe' wars or the farmer/matteo wars.That ssure used up alot of bandwidth.So please lets just all get along and stop this idiotic bashing of me and other good people,please. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites as hosts for seeds of life
can't help but think that when it comes to life, we should appropriate Pascal's third wager, and always bet on it. in whatever form, wherever we look, life, like faith, manages. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites as hosts for seeds of life Mark Fr. wrote: To borrow from Jim Carrey, Alrighty then!...a cautionary tale about letting your hopes make a fool of your reason. Until Ace Ventura, no actor had considered talking through his ***. ...Jim Carrey Definitely no further comments (I already promised), let me add another interesting topic for discussion: _Halosimplex carlsbadense_ variation 250 million years old dated to the age of the Great Dying, the worst documented extention in the Fossil record P/T Boundary. Surviving the breakup of Pangea and riding the plates of continental drift over 10,000 kilometers? Chicxulub?, a minor event at the K/T Boundary when they were already 185 million years old... This is an interesting organism. Google it for what is out there. It is not a living fossil. It was revived. Viable spores were extracted 5-10 years ago from inside the similar sorts of halite crystals found in certain meteorites we all know and love. The probability of contamination was claimed to be less than 1 in a billion using the latest and greatest protocols developed by NASA. Now, only 5% of the samples, collected in the Permian salt deposits in the drill samples from the New Mexico caverns 600 meters below actually contained viable spores in their suspended, basically dead state. Although the news isn't hot off the press, they, in fact, were viable and live once again today, according to their discoverer, long after going extinct. The genomes of these extremophiles and characteristics and requirements are being/have been studied, and they turn out to be somewhat different, though related to certain modern _Bacillus_, if my short term memory serves. 250 million years is a long time, and we've seen since then exquisite bottled water meteorites being marketed shamelessly. Probability of transfer of these organisms from a world like Mars that dies during a quarter of a billion years afterwards? Would a small fraction survive near absolute zero temperatures if frozen gently? Is there anything magic about 250 million years, or could it well have been 500 million? I don't know, they probably don't have souls or other higher order complexities to worry about and are basically remarkable resilient bubbles formed into spores, but maybe Sterling or Mark knows the answer. Where life may be found and how it survives is one of the most difficult questions space scientists are wrestling to the limits. We can be pretty confident, though, that wherever water once was, and drys, halite crystals are hard to avoid. A vacuum is only -14.7 pounds/in^2. Could a bacterium survive in a 'halite crystal' from Mars to Earth? Yes. Exploding bodies and so forth may happen in the movies, but much greater pressures are routinely experienced by ocean divers right here on Earth. All that is required for recovery is a gentle equilibration so they don't get the bends. The pressure under just 10 meters of water is an additional 14.7 psi, the same differential between the earth and space. Sure vacuum has its challenges, but a normal person sucking a lollypop can probably get at least half way there (7 pounds per square inch). Disclaimer: I do not want to believe in Panspermia. It is just a theory, like all the rest of the scientific ideas on origins and proliferation of life. Best wishes, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites as hosts for seeds of life
Melt Through the Ice to Find Life Jul 19, 2005 - Scientists can tell us what our climate on Earth was like in past by examining ice cores taken from glaciers. Tiny bubbles of air are trapped in the ice and maintain a historical record of ancient atmospheres. The effects of life make their mark in these ice samples as well. What if you examined the icecaps on Mars, or the layers of ice on Europa? NASA is considering a proposal for a small spacecraft that would land on Mars or Europa and melt its way throught the ice, collecting data as it descended, searching for clues about the presence of life. Full Story Related Stories Discuss this Story - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites as hosts for seeds of life Mark Fr. wrote: To borrow from Jim Carrey, Alrighty then!...a cautionary tale about letting your hopes make a fool of your reason. Until Ace Ventura, no actor had considered talking through his ***. ...Jim Carrey Definitely no further comments (I already promised), let me add another interesting topic for discussion: _Halosimplex carlsbadense_ variation 250 million years old dated to the age of the Great Dying, the worst documented extention in the Fossil record P/T Boundary. Surviving the breakup of Pangea and riding the plates of continental drift over 10,000 kilometers? Chicxulub?, a minor event at the K/T Boundary when they were already 185 million years old... This is an interesting organism. Google it for what is out there. It is not a living fossil. It was revived. Viable spores were extracted 5-10 years ago from inside the similar sorts of halite crystals found in certain meteorites we all know and love. The probability of contamination was claimed to be less than 1 in a billion using the latest and greatest protocols developed by NASA. Now, only 5% of the samples, collected in the Permian salt deposits in the drill samples from the New Mexico caverns 600 meters below actually contained viable spores in their suspended, basically dead state. Although the news isn't hot off the press, they, in fact, were viable and live once again today, according to their discoverer, long after going extinct. The genomes of these extremophiles and characteristics and requirements are being/have been studied, and they turn out to be somewhat different, though related to certain modern _Bacillus_, if my short term memory serves. 250 million years is a long time, and we've seen since then exquisite bottled water meteorites being marketed shamelessly. Probability of transfer of these organisms from a world like Mars that dies during a quarter of a billion years afterwards? Would a small fraction survive near absolute zero temperatures if frozen gently? Is there anything magic about 250 million years, or could it well have been 500 million? I don't know, they probably don't have souls or other higher order complexities to worry about and are basically remarkable resilient bubbles formed into spores, but maybe Sterling or Mark knows the answer. Where life may be found and how it survives is one of the most difficult questions space scientists are wrestling to the limits. We can be pretty confident, though, that wherever water once was, and drys, halite crystals are hard to avoid. A vacuum is only -14.7 pounds/in^2. Could a bacterium survive in a 'halite crystal' from Mars to Earth? Yes. Exploding bodies and so forth may happen in the movies, but much greater pressures are routinely experienced by ocean divers right here on Earth. All that is required for recovery is a gentle equilibration so they don't get the bends. The pressure under just 10 meters of water is an additional 14.7 psi, the same differential between the earth and space. Sure vacuum has its challenges, but a normal person sucking a lollypop can probably get at least half way there (7 pounds per square inch). Disclaimer: I do not want to believe in Panspermia. It is just a theory, like all the rest of the scientific ideas on origins and proliferation of life. Best wishes, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list menubutton.gif Description: GIF image __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] shuttle
BAFFLING PROBLEM COULD PROMPT SHUTTLE FUELING TEST -- After a long weekend of troubleshooting, engineers have not found an obvious problem that might explain why one of four hydrogen fuel sensors failed to operate properly during the shuttle Discovery's aborted countdown Wednesday. http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts114/050717baffling/ Updated video coverage: http://spaceflightnow.com/plus/sts114video.html See the Mission Status Center for the latest: http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts114/status.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A japanese meteorite called dhum phuquer
but you'll definitely find one on this list - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A japanese meteorite called dhum phuquer You definitely will not find that meteorite in any database. - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:21 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] A japanese meteorite called dhum phuquer Hello list.I cannot find this anywhere,so I am calling out to the great minds on this list.Is there or has anyone heard of a meteorite called dhum phuquer?To me and my limited japanese,this just does not have the japanese wording I am used to seeing.Please any help would be welcomed. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mother Earth News meteorite article
elipsis: a falling short webster's unabridged dictionary. kinda like that joke . . . - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mother Earth News meteorite article With three photos and an oddly large number of ellipsises (of course I'm too mature to make a joke about Mother Earth and her periods...) http://www.motherearthnews.com/top_articles/1978_May_June/Let_the_Stars_Fall_into_Your_Pocket Issue # 51 - May/June 1978 LET THE STARS FALL . . . INTO YOUR POCKET CHARLES WEBB They're lured from their orbits in the asteroid belt between Jupiter and Mars by the gravitational pull of the Sun . . . and some of them are then attracted to the earth. When they arrive at night, their descent into our planet's atmosphere is marked by bright streaks of light . . . sometimes white and sometimes a . . . variety of other colors which—usually—end in red (the changes are a direct indication of temperature and velocity). Daytime arrivals are traced by what appear to be trails of smoke or dust. These displays of aerial fireworks and skywriting are frequently accompanied by thunder-like rumbles and/or an explosion . . . occasionally a buzzing, hissing, or crackling noise . . . and, once in a while, seemingly no sound at all. Some of these meteorites or meteors or meteoroids—colloquially called falling stars—burn up in our atmosphere and never reach the earth at all. Many others (thousands annually!) . . . do . . . make it all the way to the planet's surface, however . . . . . . . . . and that fact should be of more than passing interest to you. Why? Because a number of individuals and institutions are eager to . . . buy . . . these rocks that fall from the sky. You'll never get rich catering to the market, of course, but you can pick up some extra bucks collecting meteorites. Besides, this is one fun treasure hunt that . . . everybody . . . can get in on! METEORITES COME IN . . . THREE MAJOR CLASSES All told, there are approximately 80 known varieties of meteorites, and they're generally lumped into three categories: stony, iron, and stony-iron. The most common of the three are the stony meteors, which—as the name implies—are composed either entirely or mainly of stony minerals. The average stony also contains between five and 15 percent nickel-iron, and some go as high as 25 percent. Iron meteoroids—the second most common type of falling star—are almost 100 percent nickel-iron. And the rarest meteorites of all—the stony-irons-are about 50/50 nickel-iron and stony material. HOW TO IDENTIFY . . . A METEORITE Almost all freshly fallen meteoroids are covered by a thin black or dark gray (or, in the case of an iron, slightly bluish) crust. If the meteor is left in the soil several years, this crust can change to a rusty-brown color. (The change, which starts at the surface, sometimes penetrates the whole meteorite.) Stony meteoroids generally lack sharp edges or corners and tend to be angular or rounded (but not completely round) in shape. Irons and stony-irons, on the other hand, are usually irregularly round and have thumbprint-like impressions on them. All three classes of meteors (except for some rare stonier that contain no nickel-iron) are generally attracted by a magnet. Most of the time, too, a stony will be about 1-1/2 times—and an iron approximately 3 times—heavier than ordinary earth rocks of the same size. You can inspect the inside of a suspected meteorite by grinding away a small corner (don't hammer or try to break the rock because, if it is a meteor, that will lessen its value). The interior of a stony usually contains irregular specks of metal. The inside of an iron looks like a bright piece of steel. And the internal structure of a stony-iron is almost always a network of nickel-iron with meshes of olivine crystals (a yellowish or greenish mineral) or grains of nickel-iron in a stony matrix. And leave no stone unturned in your search! Meteorites vary in size from a fraction of an inch across (weighing less than an ounce) to several feet in diameter (with a weight of over 100,000 pounds). LOOK TO THE SKIES, . . . EARTH MAN! Most falling stars are witnessed in the afternoon. Some scientists state that this results from a combination of the rotation of the planet upon its axis plus the earth's revolution around the sun. Others claim that it's simply because more people are outdoors at that time of day. Most falls occur during the Northern Hemisphere's late spring and summer months. If you see a meteor fall nearby, you can sometimes get an approximate idea of how far away it has landed by counting the seconds from the time it vanishes behind trees, etc., to the time you hear it explode or impact on the ground. Each second represents about 1,000 feet. To further track down a falling star that you or
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images: July 7-13, 2005
someone catch Greg . . . - Original Message - From: CNN Breaking News [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TEXTBREAKINGNEWS@CNNIMAIL12.CNN.COM Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: CNN Breaking News -- NASA scrubs launch of space shuttle Discovery because of faulty fuel-tank sensor. Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com and watch FREE video. - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images: July 7-13, 2005 MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES July 7-13, 2005 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o East Tharsis Pit Chain (Released 07 July 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/07/07 o Ganges Chasma Sands (Released 08 July 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/07/08 o Rugged Olympus Mons (Released 09 July 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/07/09 o Melas Layers (Released 10 July 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/07/10 o Troughs in Tharsis (Released 11 July 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/07/11 o Mars at Ls 249 Degrees (Released 12 July 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/07/12 o The Changing South Polar Cap of Mars: 1999-2005 (Released 13 July 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/07/13 All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2???
i am so glad to hear this. susan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2??? Hey list, I was going to wait a little longer and let that last post of mine soak in a little more before following up, but I am going to be out of the house for much of this evening, and I was a little concerned it might start to smell too bad unless I cleaned it up first. Sometimes I forget that this is a serious scientific list, and that some people here might not understand or appreciate strange Arkansas humor (also now known as #1 and #2 humor). So... No, #2 did NOT really do #1 on the floor at our party. While some have accused me, #1, of being full of #2, I am confident that this last post proves them right. I wrote all that last post to make my original point: if it were 75% factually correct, which I am sure (even with the typos) it was more than 75% correct, it still paints a very inaccurate picture of what really happened that night at our party. Such is the case with all too many of the meteorite stories we all see out there in the professional media, because you do expect the media to be right nearly all of the time, and at worst just a little biased. Then their so called corrections get buried in small print on page #29D (if a meteorite article was ever corrected at all). At least here on the list our follow up, comments and corrections get the same exposure as the original mistakes. Anyway, I appreciate Mr. Arnold #2 of Chicago being a good sport about this once again, and for you all bearing with a topic that did seem to go off topic, if not at least off colored. You gotta love this place! Long live the meteorite list. Steve Arnold The First (I am not sure I like that term #1 anymore, it kind of is leaving a strange taste in my mouth all of a sudden...) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Classification Of Meteorites
Al, thanks for the posts. i'll be ordering Bagnal's book next. i'm also collecting information on mineralology and earth science to get up to speed with the rest of the list. i've been wondering, if or more likely when, we're on the Moon, Mars and beyond, will we find meteorites from earth? will they be similiar in composition to the meteorites found on earth? how will the lack of atmosphere--no ablation, etc--affect them? would an iron meteorite on the moon, if it exists, be essentially the same as terrestial iron? if these are stupid questions, let me know. i'm new to all this and freely admit to knowing nothing. hope you all are enjoying the holiday weekend. thanks for your time susan patton - Original Message - From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Classification Of Meteorites To All, There has been a request for information on the classification scheme of Meteorites. I have a number of sources that tell about this and no doubt there are websites that may tell a lot more. Anyone that can shed more light please let me know. Also someone may have a book I don't that could help out. Part One. My sources says that the first attempt to classify meteorites began in 1840's and were based on structural and chemical differences. Keep in mind that sometimes chemical and geological terms are used to describe the same thing and complicate or confuse things a bit. One early scientist was Paul Partsch, the curator of the Vienna collection of meteorites who first attempted a classification scheme. He separated the stones from the irons. He separated the Irons into dense, compact, and some which contained stony material in their structure. The stones were divided up into normal and anomalous types with the normal being broken down into magnesium-rich and magnesium poor groups. Then in the mid 1900th century a Charles U. Shepard attempted to categorize meteorites using his own classification system. Like Partsch he had two main categories of stony and iron types. He subdivided the stony material into trachytic, trappean, and pumice like and the irons were classified into malleable homogeneous and malleable heterogeneous, and brittle. Shepard's system however was flawed with the fact that some of the specimens contained in his collection were not of meteoritic origin. A third person who worked on a classification system at the same time Sheperd had was A. Boisse. He had an advantage over Shepard's system by in the fact he based his specimens on petrographical and density factors. So he grouped meteorites into stony, iron and uncompacted material. Stony's were further divided up into magnetic and non-magnetic types. Boisse's system suffered from the flaws that in that day and age it was thought that some meteorites left gelatinous matter after the fall, color rainwater and snow, and powders. A fourth attempt was made by Carl von Reichenbach in 1859 who had a long running dispute with the Vienna curator (guess there was meteorite fights back then too :-) He measured the nickel iron content but noted that a chemical competition would have been better. He found few supporters for his system due to his personality and flaws in his system. Source: Philip M. Bagnal's excellent book The Meteorite and Tektite Collector's Handbook __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy 4th of July/nice weekend
respecting other list members wishes, regardless of their age, about how and when they post to the list or to private mailboxes should be the number one priority for this list's member's. if Jason had wanted us all to read his email, he would have sent it to the list Bob. His age has no bearing here--he's right. compared to Jason, most of you who have prolonged this inane, useless playground fighting have the emotional maturity of a gnat. i joined the list a month ago and i've learned more about Steve and how others view him than i have about meteorites. as far as useful posts about meteorites, i've saved three. when you consider how many posts a day come through my mailbox, that's pretty pathetic. so here's a suggestion: in recognition of this holiday weekend celebrating our freedom, let's liberate this list. if you've got a beef with someone, show some class like Jason did, and send it to the person you have a problem with, it has no place on a public forum. learn to delete, ignore, or whatever and stop littering this list with crap. i'm sorry some of you have been dealing with these problems for years but it's time to stop this petty b.s. and get back on topic. make the decision not to send the tirades. just stop. i know you can. take care and enjoy the holiday. thank you susan patton - Original Message - From: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy 4th of July/nice weekend Jason, Aren't you like fourteen years old? I met your father in Tucson, he's a very intelligent person. Why don't you ask his opinion of this Meteorite/ Steve Arnold list debacle? I know Steve probably better than most here on the list. I met with him frequently for trades and such. He lives relatively close to me. He can be a nice generous person, but, isn't it obvious to you that he enjoys the limelight at the expense of others here on the list. All they were asking is some mutual respect and hoping to mitigate the endless spamming. I think you need to ponder the provocation of these emails regarding Steve. Personally, Im just sick and tired of this being the Steve list. Im sorry but I think your thoughts should be public even though they are naive at best. Have a nice holiday BE - Original Message - From: Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy 4th of July/nice weekend *This message has been copied and sent to nearly all who have sent an anti-Steve message posting to the list within the last two weeks and to Steve, himself. It has not, however been posted to the list. Hello Dirk, Terry (and All), I have stood by and watched as this Steve Arnold thing has gone on and on for the last few months now. I personally did not want to, in any way, get involved, though I was tempted at many points in time. I personally find Steve's postings somewhat entertaining, though there's no doubt I could live without them. What you don't seem to realize is that your anti-Steve posts just make more of them. Furthermore, in the last few weeks you've posted a number of letters to the list comparable to the number of those sent by Steve himself, and none of which (viz. the ones that you sent) were in any way, shape or form related to meteorites whereas all of Steve's letters with the exception of three that I found (defensive letters caused by your anti-Steve group) were meteorite-related. It should be noted that only one of his vacation postings did not contain meteoric information of some sort. It should also be noted that your anti-Steve group has, in the last few weeks, provided the list with a number of non-meteorite emails exponentially larger than those sent by Steve (literally 3^3). My hat's off to you 'gentlemen' and 'ladies' on that -- it must have taken an enormous amount of your time and effort to compose such a barrage of insulting letters. Although he may have sent a large number of postings through the list, Steve broke list rules rather infrequently. The few recent exceptions include his five vacation postings (until he was insulted by the anti-Steve gang and felt a just need to defend himself...which resulted in a total of 3 defensive posts and around 15 posts from you attacking those). Whereas you (all), have broken the most basic rule (posts must be meteorite related) in excess of thirty times now. At least most of his postings have been meteorite related in some way or another. *A copy of all list policies has been placed at the end of this message -- please tell me about which one(s) the general outcry is, because it isn't immediately obvious to me which one(s) Steve's been breaking
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Problems with the Met.Bulls
Martin, i'm having trouble too. thought it was my dial up but a friend w/dsl couldn't get it to work either. if anyone has successfully downloaded these, could you send it to those of us who can't? thanks susan patton - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Problems with the Met.Bulls Hola, since some days I'm unable to open the pdfs of the Bulletins from the Bulletin's homepage: http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/simple_template.cfm?code=pub_bulletin Anyone else these problems? Help? Also from the new tool, Grossman kindly introduced, I can't open the Met.Bull. Sniff. Buckleboo Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
