Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball over Connecticut [AMS Event# 2019 3151]

2019-07-26 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Bob,

My wife and I are planning on chasing this tomorrow. We will let you know if we 
have any luck.

Thanks,

Peter

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Behalf Of Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 6:13 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball over Connecticut [AMS Event# 2019 3151]

Hello Roberto and List,

Thanks for posting those links.  I can only add one more, and you will have to 
go over to facebook to get more info on this event:

https://www.facebook.com/GalacticAnalyticsLLC/

This was a widely witnessed event with more than 9 videos and more still 
images, so more info "should be" forthcoming.
But it is hard to compete with all of the other sightings and recoveries:
Earlier on the same day as this event there was a recording of a fireball in 
Ontario, Canada.
And the recovery of a meteorite in India that same day has sucked-up a lot of 
the bandwidth.

I hope this U.S. event doesn't get overlooked, and that the time is taken to 
search the Doppler-radar data, and that something gets found.

Bob V.

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From: Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list 
To: tracy latimer ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 

Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019, 5:33:03 AM PDT
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide over Big Island

Fireball over Connecticut, as well. Anyone got any additional info on this one?
https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Fireball-streaks-across-CT-night-sky-14127787.php
https://fox61.com/2019/07/24/did-you-see-it-meteor-lights-up-skies-over-connecticut-massachusetts-rhode-island/
https://fireball.amsmeteors.org/members/imo_view/event/2019/3151

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Re: [meteorite-list] Roman Meteorite Coins

2018-04-16 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi,

Here are a few of the know sacred stones:

The Paphos stone:  http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=16715

The Omphalos at Delphi:  https://www.ancient.eu/image/414/

Thanks,

Peter


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Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 10:18 AM
To: Michael Blood
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Roman Meteorite Coins

Hmm, I wonder what happened to the meteorites and sacred stones depicted in
the coins. Sounds like the main one, the stone of Emesa, was probably
returned to Emesa after the emperor died. Lost in History I guess. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 16, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> 
> Thanks much to both John and to Volker,
> 
> The Pip Burns site was the one I remembered, but the Midwest Meteorites
> Site is a Killer source, too.
> 
> Thanks to you both,
> Michael
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2018, at 6:25 AM, Bigjohn Shea  wrote:
>> 
>> I think you may be referring to this Michael.
>> 
>> http://www.meteorman.org/Meteorite_Coin.htm
>> 
>> Cheers!
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>>There used to be a person on the list with a website that had a page
>>> Of ancient Roman meteorite coins and their descriptions. Since my
computer
>>> Crash, his site is no longer in my bookmarks.
>>> 
>>>Can anyone tell me who it is and the website URL?
>>> 
>>>Thanks, Michael Blood
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Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Portales

2018-03-07 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Dennis, 

I have a 2.5 kilo slice with great metal. If you are interested.

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Portales

I am interested in purchasing a whole slice of Portales.  Can someone direct me 
to a good source...and let me know what I might expect to pay?

Thanks!
Dennis Beatty

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[meteorite-list] Bishopville aubrite

2017-11-19 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi,

 

Mendy's post looking for a sample of Bishopville got me thinking. Are there
any meteorites, other than Bishopville, that were recovered by salves? 

 

Thanks,

 

Peter



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Re: [meteorite-list] Want To Buy Large Zag or Monahans

2017-10-27 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Rob,

Are you looking for a large sample of Monahans (1998)? Has Mike Craddock
sold some? Other than the whole stone I have seen only small samples. It
would be great if it was possible to purchase a nice sized sample.

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Want To Buy Large Zag or Monahans

Please send me an email if you have either for sale.

Thanks

Rob Wesel


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites with old labels wanted!

2017-08-01 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Anne,



I would think that shipping would be included at that price. Heck, I would be 
happy to get on a plane and deliver the meteorite if I sold it at that price.



Thanks,



Peter



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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites with old labels wanted!



I wish!!

But well beyond my budget too.



Anne M. Black

IMPACTIKA.com





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To: Andrey via Meteorite-list ; Anne Black 

Cc: Meteorite Mailing List ; bigjohnshea 

Sent: Mon, Jul 31, 2017 3:25 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites with old labels wanted!

It looks like a great specimen, but $90k!!

Let me just whip out my checkbook immediately... ;-) ;-)

Lovely but well outside my budget... Sorry. :-(

John



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On 7/31/17 at 3:04 PM, Andrey via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Also please look at this item. All that you want - historic, old labels,
> documentation and described in the book.
> Tomasz, I was offered you this stone few years ago.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/362040987402?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT 
> 
>  &_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
>
> Best wishes to all,
> Andrey
>
> 2017-07-31 22:19 GMT+03:00 Anne Black via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>:
>
> > Ok, Tomasz and John, glad to know what you are looking for.
> > And if you would contact me privately we can talk about what I have.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Anne M. Black
> > IMPACTIKA.com
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> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list  > >
> > To: Tomasz Jakubowski ; metlist  > meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Mon, Jul 31, 2017 12:56 pm
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites with old labels wanted!
> >
> > Alright, this is gonna be shameless... ;-)
> >
> > I also want meteorites with old museum or old collection provenance for my
> > collection!
> >
> > Contact me as well! :-D
> >
> > Cheers!
> > John A. Shea, MD
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> > old museums or private collectors/dealers labels for sale?
> > > I am spreading my meteorite collection also to historical meteorites
> > with good documentation (labels, letters between collectors/museums old
> > books about meteorites).
> > >
> > > Feel free to contact with me at address : illae...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > All the best
> > > Tomasz Jakubowski
> > >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Etching a name on an iron meteorite slice

2017-01-05 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi John,

Sorry, I misunderstood you. For engraving I would try a local gunsmith. If they 
can't do, they will know someone who can. I have seen a lot of old time slices 
that have their info etched on them and only a few that have been engraved. I 
think either way would be great to and some "classic" gravitas to an iron.

Thanks,

Peter

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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:37 PM
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Subject: Re: RE: [meteorite-list] Etching a name on an iron meteorite slice

Peter, All,
Sorry if I'm not being clear.  

Really what my buddy is looking for is someone who can engrave neatly onto an 
iron slice.  Preferrably with a machine of sorts designed for the purpose of 
engraving.

Thanks though for the knowledge.  
I appreciate your time responding.  :-)
John





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> Hi John,
> 
> I am sure that anyone who etches irons can do this for you. All you 
> need is a resist. The simplest would be writing on the iron with a crayon.
> Traditionally asphalt was used. If I were to do it I would purchase 
> some stickers since my hand writing is so bad. I am sure that there 
> are many other resists that people could use.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter
> 
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> To: metlist
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Etching a name on an iron meteorite slice
> 
> Asking on behalf of a friend,
> If there is anyone out there who provides a service of etching names 
> onto a slice of an iron meteorite (as if etching a name/phrase on a 
> wristwatch) please email me at bigjohns...@mail.com.
> Thank you!
> John A. Shea, MD
> IMCA 3295
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Re: [meteorite-list] Etching a name on an iron meteorite slice

2017-01-05 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi John,

I am sure that anyone who etches irons can do this for you. All you need is
a resist. The simplest would be writing on the iron with a crayon.
Traditionally asphalt was used. If I were to do it I would purchase some
stickers since my hand writing is so bad. I am sure that there are many
other resists that people could use.

Thanks,

Peter

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Behalf Of Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:08 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Etching a name on an iron meteorite slice

Asking on behalf of a friend,
If there is anyone out there who provides a service of etching names onto a
slice of an iron meteorite (as if etching a name/phrase on a wristwatch)
please email me at bigjohns...@mail.com.
Thank you!
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295


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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about meteorite rings

2016-12-22 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Rob,

I made my (and my wife's) wedding rings from Gibeon. We have no rust issues
at all. I had an experience with a Gibeon ring where it turned the skin
under the ring brownish. I didn't want that feature in my wedding ring. When
I made the wedding rings I "lined" them with gold. It worked and I have
never had any skin reactions from my ring.

Thanks,

Peter

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Hello all

Anyone out there routinely wear a meteorite ring. If so is rust an issue.

Any sellers hear complaints down the road?


Rob Wesel 

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Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite

2016-09-13 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi,

My reading of the article, albeit through Google translate, talks about El
Chaco being reweighed and its weight being reported at  28,840 kilos. The
newly discovered meteorite weighs 30,800 kilos.

Thanks,

Peter

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https://steemit.com/gancedo/@merlinesm/meteorite-record-the-gancedo-weighs-3
0-8-tons-and-is-the-fourth-largest-in-the-world

This article, with some great photos, lists it at 4th with 30,800kg as the
official measure.  

Weighing the big ones like this and compairing them to others has always
been confusing it seems.  

2nd or 4th is kkind of irrelevant in my book.  Still amazing...

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
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> Just a journalistic failure to fact check...  The original El Chaco is
said to be 37.4 MT (37,400 kg).  They need to weigh this "Gancedo" more
accurately perhaps, but it is over 14,500 pounds more to get from the
Gancedo 30.8 MT to the El Chaco 37.4 MT:
> 
> see the recovery of the find here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7OGZpVbI6I
> Best
> Doug
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list 
> 
> To: Sterling K. Webb ; meteorite-list 
> 
> Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2016 1:41 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite
> 
> I have seen this in the news a few times today. Amazing find but I'm 
> confused.
> 
> This new find is 34 tons.
> 
> El Chaco weighs in at 37 tons and Hoba has them beat at 66.
> 
> I missing a metric conversion in reference to El Chaco?
> 
> Referencing the book
> The Campo Del Cielo Meteorites, Vol. II, Chaco Guillermo Faivovich and 
> Nicolas Goldberg
> 2012
> Page 45
> 
> 
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> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:52 PM
> To: 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite
> 
> > List,
> >
> > A 34-ton iron has been found
> > in the Campo del Cielo region
> > of Argentina:
> > http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=332776
> >
> > The meteorite was found on
> > Sept. 10 in the town of Gancedo,
> > 1,085 km north of Buenos Aires,
> > Mario Vesconi, president of the
> > Astronomy Association of Chaco,
> > told the daily newspaper Clarin."
> >
> > "While we hoped for weights above
> > what had been registered, we did
> > not expect it to exceed 30 [metric]
> > tons," Vesconi noted, adding that
> > "the size and weight [about 68,000
> > pounds] surprised us."
> >
> > "The meteorite will be weighed
> > again to ensure an accurate
> > measurement. The largest
> > meteorite ever found is Hoba,
> > weighing 66 tons, in Namibia."
> >
> > See also:
> > http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/sep/12/30-ton-meteor-discovere
> > d-in-arg
> > entina-at-ancient-m/
> >
> >
> > Sterling K. Webb
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof

2016-06-28 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Bob,



I agree that some people are burned by the cold. But after reading many first 
hand reports I think that the “cold enough to burn” meteorites are those that 
are found ON the ground. The “too hot to touch” meteorites are the ones that 
have punched through something. I can’t prove it, but my theory fits the scores 
of reports that I have read.



Thanks,



Peter



From: Robert Verish [mailto:bolidecha...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:27 PM
To: Tommy; Tommy via Meteorite-list; Peter Scherff
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof



People that have unknowingly picked up a piece of dry ice with their bare hands 
have sworn that it is burnt their fingers.

Bob

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On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Tommy via Meteorite-list

<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

  Hi Peter!
I get the friction part but THAT much friction?

Tom


On 06/28/2016 04:09 PM, Peter Scherff wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I believe that part i.e. "I picked up the largest chunk and let go quickly
> as it was very hot,". Have you ever held a nail that you just pulled out of
> a board? The nail is very warm. The friction of punching a hole through a
> home, car or the ground can heat up a meteorite. Now if they start talking
> about the fires it started I am with you.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com 
>  ] On
> Behalf Of Tommy via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:03 PM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof
>
> "I picked up the largest chunk and let go quickly as it was very hot,"
> 65-year-old home-owner Bualom Chalomprai said. "
>
>
> Her mind must have been playing tricks on her.
>
> Regards!
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 06/28/2016 03:02 PM, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list wrote:
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof

2016-06-28 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Tom,

You could very well be right. 

Thanks,

Peter

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From: Tommy [mailto:tomm...@hvc.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:49 PM
To: Peter Scherff
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof

Peter,
I'm going to go with the theory she was mistaken. I'm sure the crash
kind of messed her mind up a tad at the time of impact.

Regards!

Tom


On 06/28/2016 04:29 PM, Peter Scherff wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> Yes, I think so. There are too many reports of meteorites being hot to 
> the touch. Those reports are almost always about meteorites that have 
> punched through something (building, vehicle or ground). I trust this 
> mass of anecdotal evidence. But we won't know for sure until some 
> starts shooting rocks through buildings for their doctoral thesis.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tommy [mailto:tomm...@hvc.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:22 PM
> To: Peter Scherff
> Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House 
> Roof
>
>Hi Peter!
>   I get the friction part but THAT much friction?
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 06/28/2016 04:09 PM, Peter Scherff wrote:
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> I believe that part i.e. "I picked up the largest chunk and let go 
>> quickly as it was very hot,". Have you ever held a nail that you just 
>> pulled out of a board? The nail is very warm. The friction of 
>> punching a hole through a home, car or the ground can heat up a 
>> meteorite. Now if they start talking about the fires it started I am with
you.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Meteorite-list
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Tommy via Meteorite-list
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:03 PM
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand 
>> House Roof
>>
>> "I picked up the largest chunk and let go quickly as it was very hot,"
>> 65-year-old home-owner Bualom Chalomprai said. "
>>
>>
>> Her mind must have been playing tricks on her.
>>
>> Regards!
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 06/28/2016 03:02 PM, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list wrote:
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof

2016-06-28 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Tom,

Yes, I think so. There are too many reports of meteorites being hot to the
touch. Those reports are almost always about meteorites that have punched
through something (building, vehicle or ground). I trust this mass of
anecdotal evidence. But we won't know for sure until some starts shooting
rocks through buildings for their doctoral thesis. 

Thanks,

Peter

-Original Message-
From: Tommy [mailto:tomm...@hvc.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:22 PM
To: Peter Scherff
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof

  Hi Peter!
 I get the friction part but THAT much friction?

Tom


On 06/28/2016 04:09 PM, Peter Scherff wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I believe that part i.e. "I picked up the largest chunk and let go 
> quickly as it was very hot,". Have you ever held a nail that you just 
> pulled out of a board? The nail is very warm. The friction of punching 
> a hole through a home, car or the ground can heat up a meteorite. Now 
> if they start talking about the fires it started I am with you.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Meteorite-list 
> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tommy via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:03 PM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House 
> Roof
>
> "I picked up the largest chunk and let go quickly as it was very hot,"
> 65-year-old home-owner Bualom Chalomprai said. "
>
>
> Her mind must have been playing tricks on her.
>
> Regards!
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 06/28/2016 03:02 PM, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list wrote:
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof

2016-06-28 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Tom,

I believe that part i.e. "I picked up the largest chunk and let go quickly
as it was very hot,". Have you ever held a nail that you just pulled out of
a board? The nail is very warm. The friction of punching a hole through a
home, car or the ground can heat up a meteorite. Now if they start talking
about the fires it started I am with you.

Thanks,

Peter

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From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of Tommy via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:03 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof

"I picked up the largest chunk and let go quickly as it was very hot," 
65-year-old home-owner Bualom Chalomprai said. "


Her mind must have been playing tricks on her.

Regards!

Tom


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Re: [meteorite-list] Craters with meteorites

2016-06-10 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Larry,

Here is a start for you:

Impact Craters with Meteorites Associated
Carancas, Puno, Peru
Dronino, Ryazanskaya oblast', Russia(possible buried crater)
Kunya-Urgench   Tashauz, Turkmenistan
Whitecourt, Alberta, Canada 
Monturaqui, Chile
Wolf Creek, Western Australia
Veevers, W. Australia
Odessa, TX, US
Barringer AZ,
Dalgaranga
Kaalijarvi, Estonia,
Boxhole, N. T., Australia
Morasko, Poland
Henbury, N. T., Australia
Campo del Cielo, Argentina
Gebel Kamil, Egypt
Haviland, KS, US (Brenham)
Wabar, Saudi Arabia
Sikhote-Alin, Russia
Sterlitamak, Russia


Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Craters with meteorites

Hi Everyone:

I am trying to compile a list of craters that have meteorites associated
with them. Of the 188 impact craters that have been identified, how many
have associated meteorites?

Thanks

Larry Lebofsky

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Re: [meteorite-list] ?jupiter meteorite

2016-03-19 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Martija,

Jupiter is a gas giant. The chance of a meteorite from the planet is 0.

Thanks,

Peter

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Does anybody has heard of meteorite from Jupiter? Does it exists? Does
anybody suspects that maybe he is in possesion of it?
Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Another New Meteorite

2015-11-21 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi,

I purchased my sample in 2003.

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Another New Meteorite

Hi Anne, 

Is Clifford really new ? 

I purchased from you (yes, from you) a superb 27 g slice in...2009, thus 6.5 
years ago. 

Here is a copy of my collection write-up: 

CLIFFORD (Colorado, L6)(S3W2), found 1962; tkw: 1@11.36 kg; collection code: AB 
09/314 

History and scientific significance: 
Clifford was found in 1962 in an uncultivated rangeland by a local arrowhead 
hunter near Clifford, Lincoln County, Colorado. The finder didn't think it was 
anything important, so he put it in his rock garden. Then 35 years later, Gary 
Curtiss, a meteorite hunter, realized what it was and got it classified in 
1997. 

Sample description. 
42x39x5 mm 27.06 g part slice, 2 edges cut, 2 crusted, dominant black, some 
brown spots and metallic patches. M. Morgan coll. (label lost). 

Was I a priviledged customer to whom you had offered this slice in premium ? 

Anyhow, many thanks, I appreciate the piece and its history

Regards to all, 

Zelimir

 
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Envoyé: Samedi 21 Novembre 2015 04:14:59
Objet: [meteorite-list] AD - Another New Meteorite 

My turn to announce a new meteorite! 

Not a new fall, but a new meteorite (and all meteorites are really falls, how 
else would they get here) 

CLIFFORD, from Colorado. 

A single stone, weighing some 11.36kg, was found sometimes in the early 1960s 
in rangeland in central Colorado while looking for arrowheads. He brought it 
home but thinking that it was just an odd looking rock he added it to his 
wife's rock garden. And it stayed there until 1997 when Gary Curtiss, a 
Colorado geologist and meteorite collector happened to go by and spotted it. He 
immediately recognized it for what it was, bought it and had it classified by 
Alan Rubin at UCLA. But then he kept most of it for himself! 
Until very recently, when I finally convinced him to get a few slices cut and 
made available ot collectors. 
Clifford is an ordinary chondrite, type L6, Shock S3, Weathering W2, with some 
large chondrules, metal blebs, and odd tiny vugs. 

I have now 11 slices at very reasonable, collector-friendly, non-gouging 
prices! 
Listed right here: http://www.impactika.com/clifford.html 

Any questions, just ask! 

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com 

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

2015-11-20 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi,

I don't know if Creston is a bargain or over priced at $300. Only time will
tell. However, Novato another recent California common chondrite fall would
be quickly bought up if it was offered at $300 a gram. I know, I would be
doing the buying. 

Thanks,

Peter  

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Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Michael Farmer; Raremeteorites
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

Hi all,

Thank you Anne for listing the weights.

I did I mention that with the exception of Creston ($300 per gram) all
California falls would be priced at a minimum of $1000 per gram?

That is If you were to attempt to acquire a tiny fragment from any person or
university. However, it's highly likely that they'd not even sell at that
price.

And yes, I can easily hold the combined total weight of all California falls
(2.1 kilos)  kilos in one hand.



On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Novato  314g
> Red Canyon Lake  18.4g
> San Juan Capistrano  56g
> Sutter's Mill  993g
> Creston  800g (so far)
>
> Total: 2181.4g
>
> You must have big hands!
>
>
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> impact...@aol.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
> 
> To: Michael Mulgrew 
> Cc: Meteorite Mailing List ; 
> Raremeteorites 
> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:03 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices
>
> All California witnessed falls could be held in two hands.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
>>
>> If it was within my budget I'd buy it just because it's from my home 
>> state.  There's more reasons than a classification to want a 
>> meteorite.
>>
>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
>>  wrote:
>>> Adam. There is plenty of parking for the mobile meteorite command
center. The strewnfield is large and endless roads and vineyards. Come on
up. It's not far from you. Far more money than gold.
>>> I had 20 requests to buy the piece of found today. Sold in seconds. My
market is pretty good.
>>>
>>> Michael Farmer
>>>
 On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

 Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible
L6? This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do
not care about the price but they will be far and few between in this
horrible economy.

 I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.

 Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2015-11-16 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi,

I have always enjoyed the inspiration for Mr. Harry Wittlinger's copy;
"Schweizer Bilderchronik des Luzerners" by Diebold Schilling. It was used as
the cover of "The History of Meteoritics and Key Meteorite Collection:
Fireballs, Finds and Finds" by McCall et al.

Thanks,

Peter

 
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Ensisheim

Contributed by: Stephan Decker

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=11/16/2015
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall Over Eastern Turkish Village: Poor Villagers Make Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars After Black Stones From Space Rain Down

2015-11-15 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Adam,

I purchased Claxton shortly after it fell. I paid much less than $140 per
gram. When did you buy it? 

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall Over Eastern Turkish Village:
Poor Villagers Make Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars After Black Stones From
Space Rain Down

That last piece of Claxton I sold only went for $140.00 a gram at a heavily
advertised, non-eBay auction according to my accurate books. Peekskill is
not moving off of shelves all that quickly these days having seen the same
pieces listed on the same websites for over a decade.

Like most dealers, I do not want material sitting unsold and stuck in
inventory for decades so I am willing to sell at a lose if I paid too much
in the first place.

Adam





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From: "Darryl Pitt" 
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Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall Over Eastern Turkish Village: 
Poor Villagers Make Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars After Black Stones From
Space Rain Down



HI,

With great respect, Adam, your references to Claxton and Peekskill do not
comport with what I've read -- as well was what I've experienced -- and I
don't think I'm going out on a limb here by suggesting I'm not alone here. 
All the best / Darryl


On Nov 16, 2015, at 3:39 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
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> I moved away from collecting new falls when I paid over $600.00 a gram 
> for Claxton and could only realize less than $140.00 a gram a few 
> years later when broken down into smaller pieces.  Peekskill can be had
for a fraction
> of the price it once sold for.   The asking is price is way too high on 
> this new Howardite when the famous Kopoeta Howardite with much more 
> history and much less total weight only fetches around $100.00 a gram 
> at auction.
>
> Then there are a few other issues like greedy con artists substituting 
> fresh NWA material for witnessed falls or a serious decline in 
> collectors disposable income since 2008 that puts downward price 
> pressure on all collectables.
>
> A collectable of any sort has to be extremely desirable and very 
> different to survive as an investment in this very slowly recovering
economy.
>
> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Where do I find a high end buyer 120kg+ Campo Del Cielo meteorite

2015-09-29 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Bill,

An interesting post. I would think that most high end clients and serious
collectors would subscribe to this list. So perhaps you have already reached
them. My questions for you are why do you think your rock would interest a
"high end client"? Where was it found? When was it found? Did you find it?
The answers to these questions may make it more interesting. However it is a
common meteorite (albeit a larger sample). Your in situ photos add a little
interest to the rock. The question is do they add enough?

I can't imagine that you would be able to put together a client base of
"high end" clients without first having a history of selling desirable
meteorites. Perhaps your best bet is to pay someone to get access to their
"high end" clients. The easiest way to do that would be to consigning your
rock to an auction house with a successful track record of selling
meteorites.


Thanks,

Peter 

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Behalf Of Bill Peters via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:07 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where do I find a high end buyer 120kg+ Campo Del
Cielo meteorite

Hello All,
 
I've got a 125kg+ Campo Del Cielo meteorite that I would like to sell retail
with a great shape and an internal cavity. Included are a few of the
discovery photos. How can I access the market for high end clients? I want
to get a good client base to offer the Campo (Yes, I am aware I need a
better pic of the meteorite.)

http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/2015-09%20355.jpg
http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/2015-09%20348.jpg
http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/2015-09%20345.jpg

You guys are very good at this.  I could use your help.

billpeters
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Re: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness

2015-06-02 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi,

I think  what we are talking about is connoisseurship. Being a connoisseur has 
nothing to  do with deep pockets. It is about deep understanding. One of the 
best stories about connoisseurs is the story of  Herbert and Dorothy Vogel a 
postal worker  a librarian. The couple amassed an art collection worth 
hundreds of millions of dollars on their civil servant salaries.   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_and_Dorothy_Vogel 

Unfortunately in our world today few people have the time to invest in becoming 
a connoisseur. Connoisseurs can lead the market. Sure, they may compete against 
one and other to get that special rock (this is where deep pockets help) but 
dealers may also want to place a sample with a connoisseur. For example a David 
Weir write up may help draw attention to an otherwise overlooked NWA. That 
attention may lead to more sales. 

When Adam Hupe was marketing NWA 5000 he used a meteorite rating scale that 
attempted to quantify all the factors that a connoisseur considers when looking 
at a meteorite. Perhaps someday a rating scale will become common place in the 
meteorite world. Until then we all need to continue to study meteorites in 
order to become better connoisseurs.

Thanks,

Peter

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Behalf Of Stefan Ralew via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 10:53 AM
To: Stephan Kambach; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites 
andrareness

I agree. If someone falls into the category high end collector, then it 
should be David Weir. And this has nothing to do with a bank account. I know 
him as a real enthusiast, and his website is endless inspiration for many other 
collectors!

On the other side, I don´t like the term high end collector at all. 
Michael F. explained us already what it means, a collector with deep pockets 
who buy expensive pieces. And what are the other 95+% of meteorite collectors? 
Low end collectors who buy the crap (btw, another word which I don´t like to 
hear in conjunction with meteorites) on Ebay??

Please don´t misunderstand me, it´s totally fine with me if wealthy people buy 
expensive meteorites. I´m happy for them and I´m happy when I can serve them 
with my service. I know that some of them donate material to institutions, or 
make their impressive collections accessible to the public, which I find very 
noble. What I don´t like is to sort people into categories depending on their 
wealth. Btw, my clients are mostly the same after 15 years, I still sell to 
meteorite collectors and institutions, small and big collectors alike. And it 
still works!

Cheers,
Stefan


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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 10:16 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] high-end collectors high-end meteorites andrareness


 Hello, All

 If I combined Michael Farmers and Greg Hupes writing up about high-end 
 collectors and high-end meteorites, so I should come to the conclusion 
 that dealers aiming know a days to collectors with big wallets.
 Regardless to the amount of money you can effort for collecting 
 meteorites, for myself, the high-end collector is the one, who 
 understand in deeper details what he is collecting.
 Means, before he can real enjoy it, he must crack his head by studying 
 in a private or profesional way mineralogy, physics, (bio)chemistry 
 and etc. . Otherwise, confrontated with the foolishness, he can only 
 marveling with an open mouth, but the real enjoy comes be looking at a 
 meteorite with the specialed (knowlege) view about what you are 
 looking at.
 Collectors like David Weir for example buying the small samples, but 
 they are the high-end collectors.
 Some companies or also some single rich peoples (or even the most) 
 often have rudimentär interest in meteorites but supporting the 
 interest of the nature of an dealer – that's a own class of high-ends.

 Last at least, something about lunar and martian meteorites. Meanwhile 
 the amount of it rised up to huge amounts compare to some real rare 
 space samples, for ex. the ungrouped cc's like NWA 5958 from Greg 
 Hupe.
 A sample like this, unique by it's O-isotopes compared to the rest of 
 all meteorites, provide an absolutely less amount of material compared 
 for ex. to a NWA 5000, but comes in price much more efordable.
 Martians and Lunaites describe more a less a single parent body 
 history/evolution but a CM2 like a Murchison, a Tagish Lake or CI 
 spans with it's information through the rise of the solarsystem and in 
 some way also beyond. Some of such CC's you find in between the 393 
 CC's of the MetBull 101 to 103.

 My regards,  Stephan Kambach


 PS. my special thanks to David Weir supporting all the real 
 collectores for his well done work and also to the scientists, who 

Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

2015-05-30 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Dennis,

From what I hear if you have $50,000 to spend you can buy cheap lunar
meteorites. The retail prices that I have seen are $300 to $250 per gram.

Thanks,

Peter 

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Behalf Of Apollo via Meteorite-list
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:31 AM
To: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

Good morning,
I guess that I haven't been following the market as closely as I should
have...but if any dealers have nice Martian or lunar specimens for sale at
prices anywhere near what the recent posts have mentioned, I would
appreciate hearing from you.
Thanks,
Dennis 

Sent from my iPhone

 On May 30, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 
 It is true that rare things will always be rare and will be priced
accordingly, and for that reason you may be entirely right Michael that it
can be simply supply and demand.  Personally though, I think supply and
demand is too simple a concept for collectible items.  What I mean is, I
wonder how much of this shift in price might be due to the recent strength
of the dollar?
  
 In case someone is not following:
 An example of this is what is happening in the antique Japanese sword
market.  The value of the yen relative to the dollar is 120 to 1 currently.
Which is different than it was about a year ago when the dollar was weaker,
and the value was perhaps 100 to 1.  Japanese swords in Japan that were
selling for 100,000 yen last year (1000 dollars) are not currently worth
120,000 yen in Japan.  They are still only worth 100,000 yen.  In other
words, the value of a sword does not go up simply because a foreign currency
became stronger.  However, because the dollar is stronger now, you can get a
better sword out of Japan for the same price in dollars as you would have
paid for a lesser sword last year.  In other words, 1000 dollars today
(120,000 yen) buys you a more valuable sword than it did last year simply
because the dollar got stronger.
  
 Now consider a sword that an American sword merchant/collector bought from
Japan last year for 1000 dollars (100,000 yen) and is now here in America.
It is still worth 1000 dollars here, but now that you can buy a 120,000 yen
sword for 1000 dollars, (and those swords are plenty available in Japan) why
would someone buy a sword valued at 100,000 yen for 1000 dollars here in
America, when they can get a better sword (valued at 120,000 yen) from
Japan for the same 1000 dollars?
  
 This same type of scenario can be true in for rare books, meteorites etc.
etc.  If, for example, Mike Meteorite Merchant bought a 10,000 dollar 1000g
Lunar mass from Morocco last year when the dollar was weaker, now that the
dollar is stronger the same 1000g Lunar mass might only cost 8,000 dollars
from a merchant in Morocco.  That devalues Mike's meteorite.  If he wants to
sell bits and pieces of it, he has to sell it for similar value as what the
newer cheaper specimens are selling for.
  
 Can I say for sur
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[meteorite-list] Icarus

2015-05-12 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi,

I am looking for a copy of an article that was in Icarus, Volume 12, Issue
3, May 1970, Pages 402-406. If anyone has it I would appreciate it if you
could send me a copy. 

Thanks,

Peter Scherff


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[meteorite-list] Oddball 'Crystal' Survived Crash to Earth Inside Meteorite

2015-03-18 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Here is another story about this discovery: 
https://www.quantamagazine.org/20140613-quasicrystal-meteorite-poses-age-old
-questions/

I want to know more about the meteorite, a carbonaceous chondrite with
shocked quartz. It sounds like a unique rock.

Thanks,

Peter
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On Behalf Of Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 6:13 PM
To: Meteorite Central
Subject: [meteorite-list] Oddball 'Crystal' Survived Crash to Earth Inside
Meteorite

Hello Listers

Let hope some fossils will survive from Mars :)

Enjoy!

Shawn Alan
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Website http://meteoritefalls.com 

Oddball 'Crystal' Survived Crash to Earth Inside Meteorite
by Elizabeth Howell, Live Science Contributor   |   March 18, 2015
07:53am ET 

A bizarre crystal-like mineral recently found in a meteorite that crashed to
Earth perhaps 15,000 years ago adds more support for the idea that the
fragile structure can survive in nature. But how it formed at the beginnings
of the solar system is still a mystery.

The newfound mineral is called a quasicrystal because it resembles a
crystal, but the atoms are not arranged as regularly as they are in real
crystals. The quasicrystal hitched a ride to Earth on a meteorite that
zipped from space through Earth's atmosphere and crashed to the ground.
That process is generally a violent one that heats up the insides of rocks,
making the delicate quasicrystal's survival a surprise.

The difference between crystals and quasicrystals can be visualized by
imagining a tiled floor, said according to a statement by Princeton
University in a press release. Tiles that are six-sided hexagons can fit
neatly against each other to cover the entire floor. But five-sided
pentagons or 10-sided decagons laid next to each will result in gaps between
tiles. 

Source:
http://www.livescience.com/50167-quasicrystal-survived-meteorite-crash.htm
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Re: [meteorite-list] New fall, Nkayi Zimbabwe

2015-02-06 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi,

Ellemeet   Lanzenkirchen also fell on the same day.

Thanks,

Peter

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Behalf Of Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 5:47 PM
To: Galactic Stone  Ironworks
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Raremeteorites
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New fall, Nkayi Zimbabwe

Really? That's cool. 
Thuathe and Kilabo fell same day. Lesotho and Nigeria.

Michael Farmer

 On Feb 6, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks
meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This is the same day as the Cartersville Georgia fall.
 
 Have two different meteorites ever fallen on the same day in different 
 parts of the world and been recovered?
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 --
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 Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com
 Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - 
 http://pinterest.com/galacticstone
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 On 2/6/15, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 New fall to announce,
 Nkayi, Zimbabwe. Fell 1 March 2009. L6 Only 15 kilograms was saved 
 from a ~100 kilogram stone.
 I bought the entire remaining mass which was a large fragment of 8 
 kilos and about 4 kilos of fragments.
 For sale today $20 gram.
 It is the only meteorite ever available from Zimbabwe.
 Pieces from ~1 gram to 676 grams available.
 
 Michael Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Top 10 Biggest Meteor Strikes in History

2015-01-27 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi,

My go to source for impact craters is the Earth Impact Database: 
http://www.passc.net/EarthImpactDatabase/
Here are the top 10 largest craters on Earth. Their diameters are given in 
kilometers.

Tookoonooka 55
Beaverhead  60
Kara65
Morokweng   70
Manicouagan 85
Acraman 90
Popigai 90
Sudbury 130
Chicxulub   150
Vredefort   160

Thanks,

Peter

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From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On 
Behalf Of David Pensenstadler via Meteorite-list
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 6:36 PM
To: Matthias Bärmann
Cc: Shawn Alan; Meteorite Central
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Top 10 Biggest Meteor Strikes in History

And.. how about Upheaval Dome in Utah?

Regards,

Dave

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Matthias Bärmann 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

 Ladies  Gentlemen,

 the Nördlinger Ries Crater measures 22 x 24 km, the impactor was about 
 1 km in diameter - should be a candidat too.

 Best regards
 Matthias


 Am 26.01.2015 um 21:22 schrieb Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list:

 Hello Listers

 Enjoy

 Shawn Alan
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 Website http://meteoritefalls.com


 Top 10 Biggest Meteor Strikes in History

 Top 10 Biggest Meteor Strikes in History

 Our beloved blue planet gets pelted with debris from space all the 
 time but, since most of it burns up or break apart in the atmosphere, 
 it's usually not a problem. Even when one does make it to the ground, 
 they are rarely much larger than a small rock, minimizing the damage 
 they're capable of inflicting.

 Then, of course, there is that once-in-an-eon occasion where 
 something very very large makes it through intact, and this can 
 really do some damage. Fortunately, such hits are extremely rare, but 
 they are worth noting, if only to serve as reminders of the power of 
 the stars to undo the normal routine here on Earth, with little more than a 
 few minutes'
 warning. So where — and when — did these monsters hit? Let's take a 
 look at the geological records, and see.

 source:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUnDwn0fN3g

 Coming up:

 10. Barringer Crater, Arizona, USA
 9. Lake Bosumtwi Crater, Ghana
 8. Mistastin Lake, Labrador, Canada
 7. Gosses Bluff, Northern Territory, Australia 6. Clearwater Lakes, 
 Quebec, Canada 5. The Tunguska Explosion, Siberia, Russia 4. 
 Manicouagan Crater, Canada 3. Sudbury Basin, Ontario, Canada 2. 
 Chicxulub Crater, Mexico 1. Vredefort Dome, South Africa

 Source/Other reading:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/afagen/1...
 afagen
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_C...
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Bos...
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistasti...
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosses_B...
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearwat...
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska...
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manicoua...
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury_...
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulu...
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vredefor...
 http://www.ourcuriousworld.com/


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Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Met Bulletin Update: Sahara 00293

2015-01-24 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Carl,

I wonder if it would be a hit single?

Peter

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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 5:21 PM
To: Carl Agee; Bernd V. Pauli
Cc: Laurence Garvie; Carl Agee via Meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Met Bulletin Update: Sahara 00293

Carl - did you HAVE to post this??  :-)  This makes me feel SO OLD!

K




On 1/23/15 3:04 PM, Carl Agee via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

I think we have to save the name Shocking Blue for the first 
meteorite from Venus--  if one is ever discovered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPEhQugz-Ew

Carl Agee
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Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and 
Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
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On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 How cool (or should I say hot and shocked?) is that?

 I'd say a shocking S6 ;-)
 Some Europeans (especially the Dutch) will remember a group called 
 Shockin' Blue ... They must have been savvy re: ringwoodite :-)

 Cheers, Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fossils found in meteorites?

2014-10-01 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Steve,

I would have more trust in the article if it was published in the Journal of
Cosmetology rather than the Journal of Cosmology.

Thanks,

Peter

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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 5:01 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Fossils found in meteorites?

has anyone else read this? what are your opinions? I would like to see some
testing by other scientists.


http://www.examiner.com/article/new-scientific-study-claims-extraterrestrial
-fossil-found-sri-lanka-meteor

cheers
Steve
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fossils found in meteorites?

2014-10-01 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Steve,

I would have more trust in the article if it was published in the Journal of
Cosmetology rather than the Journal of Cosmology.

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Fossils found in meteorites?

has anyone else read this? what are your opinions? I would like to see some
testing by other scientists.


http://www.examiner.com/article/new-scientific-study-claims-extraterrestrial
-fossil-found-sri-lanka-meteor

cheers
Steve
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Re: [meteorite-list] AMNH catalogue wanted

2014-09-14 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Martin,

There is a PDF:
http://digitallibrary.amnh.org/dspace/bitstream/handle/2246/811//v2/dspace/i
ngest/pdfSource/bul/B008a08.pdf?sequence=1

I hope this is what you are looking for.

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] AMNH catalogue wanted

Hi all,

Does anyone have a copy of the below listed publication available?
Even a photocopy would be useful.

Hovey, E.O. (1896) Catalogue of meteorites in the collections of the
American Museum of Natural History, to July 1, 1896. Bull. Amer. Mus.
Nat. Hist. 8, 149-156.

Any assistance much appreciated :-)

Cheers

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Re: [meteorite-list] 6 days left

2014-08-25 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Here is the link:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/marissa-s-meteorite


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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 4:59 PM
To: Bernd V. Pauli; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 6 days left

Hello Bernd and Michael,

I don't see Michael's post on how to make a donation for Marissa... Only six
days left so I would like to try and help her reach that goal please
email me how to make this happen.

I hope she finds a meteorite... or 10 !! :) Greg



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Subject: [meteorite-list] 6 days left

Hello List,

Michael, please allow me to chime in. First of all let me tell you and the
MetList what you and Rogan have so far done for our
Marissa is so admirable and really deserves a lot of respect and quite a bit
more. I don't wear hats but if I did it would be off to you!!!

We are so very close to what is the minimum amount of money we need to make
this lovable, young lady's dream come true!!!

But ... we can do better ... this you can believe! I, too, did donate a
certain amount of money but I won't tell you how much because this is
absulutely unimportant!

What does count is that you donate ... now matter how much! Some of us have
hundreds, even thousands of mereorites in their collections and here is a
young, passionate, meteorite-loving girl who deserves our respect and our
support to make it happen!

She does not complain about being disabled, she does not need our Oh, what
a pity! ... she is much too positive to lament her personal fate.

So, open your hearts and help ... it's not the first time we do that. You
will all remember G.F. (no, not the Big Kahuna!) when we felt it was our
duty as list members to help one of those who was part of our list family

Thank you for reading this and
thank you for your donation!!!

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Tirhert (Foum el Hisn) 2.968g Individual - BEST OFFER

2014-08-15 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Greg,

I have a great offer for your rock: Ten trillion dollars! Zimbabwean dollars 
(ZWR). Who wants to be a trillionaire?

Thanks,

Peter Scherff

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Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 7:43 PM
To: Greg Hupé
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Tirhert (Foum el Hisn) 2.968g Individual - 
BEST OFFER

I'll bid $75/g. 1 in million but you never know.

Mendy Ouzillou

On Aug 15, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Greg Hupé via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

Dear Meteorite Friends,

I thought the best use of my 1st 'paid AD' would be to offer one of the few 
complete individuals from the Tirhert (Foum el Hisn) eucrite fall from Morocco. 
 I only have this one specimen available for sale, sorry very limited.

BEST OFFER - Today Only (Friday, 8/15/2014), Ends midnight tonight EST 
(Florida).

This individual weighs 2.968g and is 99.99% crusted, great representative 
example from this witnessed fall.

Tirhert (Foum el Hisn) 2.968g Individual
1) 
http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/Products/Meteorites/tirhert/Foum-Elhisn_2_968a.jpg
2) 
http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/Products/Meteorites/tirhert/Foum-Elhisn_2_968b.jpg
3) 
http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/Products/Meteorites/tirhert/Foum-Elhisn_2_968c.jpg

Please email me your BEST OFFER by midnight tonight.  Thank you for your 
offers, Good Luck!!

Best Regards,
Greg


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(Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest  eBay) 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Images of 4 different Martian meteorite thin sections

2014-06-03 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi John,

You have some great images of some beautiful thin sections. What did you use to 
capture them?

Thanks,

Peter

Sent from my iPad

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 Hi List,
 
 Here are comparison pictures of 4 different Martian shergottites using
 relatively inexpensive microscope and camera equipment.
 
 Not professional images, but here is what I get..
 
 http://www.meteoriteusa.com/ts.htm
 
 John
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Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone using Metbase?

2014-06-01 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Sergey,

I have it loaded on to a windows 7 machine. I was too stupid to know that I 
couldn't. It works perfectly.

Thanks,

Peter

Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 1, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Sergey Vasiliev vs.petrov...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Mike, Peter, All,
 Unfortunately MetBase is not working on the MS OS systems above
 Windows XP. At least on my PC. I'm keeping MS XP on my computer just
 for that!
 I do like MetBase very much and hope that Joern will adjust it for the
 new Windows OSs. Even without updates for the new meteorites entries,
 just with the old database.
 I'm personally using MetBase database for my website. I like that I
 can use the actual day/month of fall/find to show it
 (http://sv-meteorites.com/) on the right column.
 Unfortunately MetBull has no data like this.
 Best!
 Sergey
 
 
 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 Hi Mike,
 
Metbase is my first stop when looking for info on a meteorite. If I
 want to add a sample to my collection the repository info is a great help.
 If I want to learn more about the meteorite the list of references is
 awesome, it is almost as good as having Bernd Pauli beside you. The only
 problem is that it needs to be updated. If there was an update available I
 would purchase it in an instant. My guess is that the online database of the
 Meteoritical society has cut into the demand for Metbase. It shouldn't,
 Metbase has a great multivariate search function that leaves the Met
 society's database in the dust. I hope that Metbase is updated soon, I need
 a new disk and would love more info on more meteorites.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Peter
 
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 Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone using Metbase?
 
 Hi List,
 
 I was looking at the MetBase website and was curious if anyone here is
 currently using the MetBase software.  Do you find it useful and is it worth
 the investment?
 
 I noticed that the last update listed on the website was scheduled for 2012.
 Is it still being updated?
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone using Metbase?

2014-05-31 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Mike,

Metbase is my first stop when looking for info on a meteorite. If I
want to add a sample to my collection the repository info is a great help.
If I want to learn more about the meteorite the list of references is
awesome, it is almost as good as having Bernd Pauli beside you. The only
problem is that it needs to be updated. If there was an update available I
would purchase it in an instant. My guess is that the online database of the
Meteoritical society has cut into the demand for Metbase. It shouldn't,
Metbase has a great multivariate search function that leaves the Met
society's database in the dust. I hope that Metbase is updated soon, I need
a new disk and would love more info on more meteorites.

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone using Metbase?

Hi List,

I was looking at the MetBase website and was curious if anyone here is
currently using the MetBase software.  Do you find it useful and is it worth
the investment?

I noticed that the last update listed on the website was scheduled for 2012.
Is it still being updated?

Best regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] R: bacubirito picture

2014-05-18 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Francesco,

Here is a link to a larger file. Unfortunately I don't think that the
quality is what you are looking for.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/File:PSM_V69_D026_Bacurbito_side_view.png

Thanks,

Peter
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Subject: [meteorite-list] R: bacubirito picture

Thanks to all for the help, but seems there's no pictures over 976x648 pixel
:(

x
Francesco


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To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] bacubirito picture

Hello, I'm looking for the famous pictures of Bacubirito meteorite 
still in the ground with all the Mexicans workers around.
I mean this pictures:
http://jmdaillier.free.fr/museum%20et%20collections%20ideal/photos%20ex
posit
ion%20et%20musee%20%20a%20%20%20ajouter/Bacubirito%20trouvee%20en%20186
3%20m
exique%20%2022tonnes%20Image1.jpg


But I need a better quality and resolution, I want to print it :) Could 
someone help me??

Thanks

x
Francesco


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Re: [meteorite-list] bacubirito picture

2014-05-17 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Hi Francesco,

As far as I know the photo was published in the July 1906 issue Popular
Science Monthly. With some luck perhaps you could find a copy and scan the
photo. Good luck.

Thanks,

Peter 

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Behalf Of Francesco Moser via Meteorite-list
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:08 AM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] bacubirito picture

Hello, I'm looking for the famous pictures of Bacubirito meteorite still in
the ground with all the Mexicans workers around.
I mean this pictures:
http://jmdaillier.free.fr/museum%20et%20collections%20ideal/photos%20exposit
ion%20et%20musee%20%20a%20%20%20ajouter/Bacubirito%20trouvee%20en%201863%20m
exique%20%2022tonnes%20Image1.jpg


But I need a better quality and resolution, I want to print it :) Could
someone help me??

Thanks

x
Francesco


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Re: [meteorite-list] List change

2014-05-09 Thread Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list
Good Afternoon List;

The recent list issues regarding several email providers (Yahoo, AOL, etc.)
seem to be behind us and I have re-enabled all of those accounts.  Thanks to
input from Bob Falls I was able to take advantage of some changes my service
provider put into place and this should take care of the bounce problems.  

Hi  Michael,

Here is a copy of an e-mail from Art:

The only downside from this fix is that if you click Reply or Reply All
to a posting the reply will only go to the member and not back to the list
as well.  If you would like to reply to an email and have it go to the list
as well please paste the list address meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
into the To field.  I apologize for this inconvenience and hopefully this
issue will be fixed as well at some point.

So remember, when replying to a list email that you want the list copied on,
please paste meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com into the To field.

Thanks again to IMCA's Bob Falls!

Best Regards, Art

Art Jones
Meteorite Central

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Behalf Of Michael Blood via Meteorite-list
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:57 AM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List change

Yesterday there seemed to be a BIG change in the list...
All posts were identified as coming from Meteorite List
Instead of from the sender as it has always done before.

Does anyone know why? It made it Much easier in the Past to quickly decide
what posts you wanted to read And often which you didn't care to read - or
which first, Etc.

I always read every post Bernd, Anne Black, Pual Harris, And several other
wrote, usually read most of the others And rarely read some and never read a
few (over the years).

This new system makes it so you don't know who wrote What until you are at
the end of the post and/or hit Resend All. 

While one can still prioritize by topic one can no longer prioritize By
sender.

Is this temporary? Did I miss a post from Art about the change?
When I noticed it no one commented at all.
Whazzup?

Best to all,
Michael (Blood)
 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Off-Line - Traffic Overload

2014-04-17 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

I fucking love science posted a link to the Meteorite bulletin today. She
has over a million facebook followers. My guess is that it will take a few
days for people to stop clicking on the link.

Thanks,

Peter

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Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 3:18 PM
To: Meteorite List
Cc: Jeff Grossman
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Off-Line - Traffic Overload

Hi Jeff and List,

As of now, the Met Bulletin is offline.  When I try to access it, I get the
following message in plain text on a white screen :

Due to excessive traffic, this resource has been temporarily disabled.
Please try back again tomorrow.

I thought everyone should know, and just in case Jeff was not aware.

Best regards,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

2014-04-08 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,
According to Alan E. Rubin  Jeffrey N. Grossman: A meteorite is a
natural, solid object larger than 10 µm in size, derived from a celestial
body, that was transported by natural means from the body on which it formed
to a region outside the dominant gravitational influence of that body and
that later collided with a natural or artificial body larger than itself
(even if it was the same body from which it was launched). Using that
definition I would say that your rock should be called a meteorite. I also
think that a cool name for a new class of meteorites would need to be
created. I just hope that we could have that class created before 5 examples
of it were recognized.

Thanks,

Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ford
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:28 AM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

IMHO - This should most likely be called 'Earthite'. A whole new class of
rocks distinct from meteorites, which so far we don't have any of (unless
anyone knows different!?).

 Or they could just be known as Tektites, since that is essentially what the
consensus is on Tektites. Though I would put Tektites in the group of
Ancient impact glasses rather than actual fusion crusted rocks from earth.

Mark



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: 08 April 2014 06:15
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

Suppose a fusion crusted stone is found shortly after a fireball.  When
examined it shows a celestial age of a few million years and a relatively
short formation age.  More examination shows it to be a stone formed on
earth, ejected into space and returned here.  Is it meteorite or a
meteorwrong.  Or something in between?
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Re: [meteorite-list] CK meteorites and magnets

2014-04-08 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Michael,

Yes they are attracted to rare earth magnets. Some CK meteorites display
free iron.

Thanks,

Peter

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Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:10 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] CK meteorites and magnets

Hello, list.  I was wondering if anyone could tell me if CK class meteorites
are typically attracted to a rare-earth magnet?  Thanks.

Michael in so. Cal.
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Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

2014-04-08 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

There is little in the world more enjoyable than a mischievous scientist. 

Thanks,

Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Carl Agee
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:29 PM
To: Jeff Grossman
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

How do you know that ureilites, aubrites, acapulcoites and the many
achondrite-ung are NOT exploded bits of parent planets destroyed by alien
warfare in our solar system a long time ago? In which case they would not be
meteorites.


Carl
*
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and
Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
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On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com wrote:
 If a fragment of Alderaan hit the Death Star, it would be a meteorite.  
 Oh wait, this was not transported by natural means!  Well, you get the
idea.

 Yes, itself is the meteorite.

 Jeff


 On 4/8/2014 3:17 PM, Mendy Ouzillou wrote:

 OK, so some questions regarding the definition:
 1) What would be considered an artificial body?
 2) I am 99.9% sure that the word itself refers to the meteorite (as 
 opposed to the body on which the meteorite lands). Correct?

 Mendy Ouzillou



 
 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 10:38 AM

 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite


 Yes, Alan and I would call this object a real meteorite, but not 
 tektites, which never escaped from Earth's gravity well.

 It's a bit of a stretch and model dependent, but in a way, lunar 
 meteorites may be considered as this type of meteorite.

 Jeff

 On 4/8/2014 7:18 AM, Peter Scherff wrote:

 Hi,
  According to Alan E. Rubin  Jeffrey N. Grossman: A meteorite 
 is a natural, solid object larger than 10 µm in size, derived from 
 a celestial body, that was transported by natural means from the 
 body on which it formed to a region outside the dominant 
 gravitational influence of that body and that later collided with a 
 natural or artificial body larger than itself (even if it was the 
 same body from which it was launched). Using that definition I 
 would say that your rock should be called a meteorite. I also think 
 that a cool name for a new class of meteorites would need to be 
 created. I just hope that we could have that class created before 5 
 examples of it were recognized.

 Thanks,

 Peter

 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
 Mark Ford
 Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:28 AM
 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

 IMHO - This should most likely be called 'Earthite'. A whole new 
 class of rocks distinct from meteorites, which so far we don't have 
 any of (unless anyone knows different!?).

 Or they could just be known as Tektites, since that is 
 essentially what the consensus is on Tektites. Though I would put 
 Tektites in the group of Ancient impact glasses rather than actual 
 fusion crusted rocks from earth.

 Mark



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 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
 Chris
 Sent: 08 April 2014 06:15
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

 Suppose a fusion crusted stone is found shortly after a fireball.  
 When examined it shows a celestial age of a few million years and a 
 relatively short formation age.  More examination shows it to be a 
 stone formed on earth, ejected into space and returned here.  Is it 
 meteorite or a meteorwrong.  Or something in between?
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[meteorite-list] Book: The Precious Gift of Meteorites and Meteorite Impact Processes

2014-04-05 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

Has anyone read Aly Barakat's book; The Precious Gift of Meteorites and
Meteorite Impact Processes? I would normally just purchase it. I enjoyed
Aly Barakat in Tutankhamun's Fireball. However his book is $135 from Nova
Publishers. Any recommendations, reviews, raves, rants or raspberries?

Thanks,

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Re: [meteorite-list] LOVINA

2014-04-05 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Paul,

Here is a link to a pdf  NEW INSIGHTS INTO THE ORIGIN OF LOVINA, A MYSTERY
METAL. By R. D. Ash et al. 

http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2014/pdf/1434.pdf

The conclusion is that it is almost impossible for LOVINA to have spent any
time in space.

Thanks,

Peter


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Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 7:12 PM
To: meteorite-list
Subject: [meteorite-list] LOVINA

I have a question regarding the status of LOVINA?
After the UC Berkeley study in 2011 what is the consensus regarding the
validity of LOVINA as a meteorite???

Has it been verified?
Or is it disputed?

Thanks for any input on the subject.
Reason for asking Is My father (Nick) will be in Bali this summer and really
has no desire to be a regular tourist and of course wants to do something
meteoritic there. So at lowtide he's going to search for additional pieces
and perhaps also beachcomb for parts of Flight 370.


-Paul Gessler 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Now I know...................

2014-03-29 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Anne,

Actually this was discussed last week on Facebook, complete with input from
the vendor!

Thanks,

Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Anne Black
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 8:05 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Now I know...


 I always thought this would happen someday...

All it takes is one email, an email sent to the wrong person, meaning: 
to a person who knows how to use an IP address, that unique number assigned
to each and every computer, to trace that email back to the sender, and
discover that the sender lives in Romeoville, Illinois.

Just like that seller on Ebay: 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWA-2995-Paired-LUNAR-METEORITE-LARGE-5-611-GRAM-MOO
N-ROCK-/251480829095?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123 


You want to know more about that seller, go to the Archives of the MetList,
http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/  and do a search, you could start
with Zulu Queen or McCartney Taylor.

Enjoy.

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] List is getting torpid

2014-03-11 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,
A simple way to make the list more informative would be if people when
responding to posts of a general nature would reply to all. Whenever I ask a
question about half of the responses that I receive are directed only to me.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the responses. However I think that the
whole list should have the benefit of them, unless there is a good reason
not to include the general meteorite community.

Thanks,

Peter  

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of John
Cabassi
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:39 PM
To: Jim Wooddell
Cc: met-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] List is getting torpid

Well said Jim and I'll give you a like.  Traditions are changing. I was very
adamant at first and held back from social media but it was the only way
that I could keep in contact with my family. And yes, the days of forums are
slowly dying unless you incorporate them into the social media, as Nugget
Shooters has as well as many others.

Just my $1.50AU

Cheers
John

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net
wrote:
 Hi all!

 I have posted specific and not so specific meteorite related questions 
 here where Melinda Hutson, Alan Rubin and Carl Agee have answered my 
 questions privately and here on this list.  I absolutely appreciate 
 this.
 I do this because I do have questions and I want good answers, which I 
 receive here.
 I have received private emails complementing this effort to involve 
 listees in my search for better understanding.

 So if you are a complainer, suck it up and quit your belly aching and 
 get over it.

 You are either part of the solution or part of the problem.

 I do admit, FB is great for sharing my Meteorite related stuff. My 
 page is mostly about meteorite stuff which I am actively and 
 constantly involved with.  And, there is not one single Ad on there 
 for meteorites!
 Many of you are there and I appreciate that and hope you enjoy my sharing.
 That said, many or most all of the meteorite related lists have died 
 out and nothing much is being posted...so it is not just this list.

 I completely disagree that any list should direct what topic is to be 
 discussed for any given time as someone suggested.

 So I switch you back to your normally scheduled activities and I will 
 go back to watching epoxy mounts of green beach sand and NWA 
 7831/Kilbourne hole green stuff cure thanks to Gary and Greg!

 Best to all!

 Jim

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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Tazizilet from Niger

2014-02-05 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Mike,

Wow, and to think that once upon a time I gave Jen a kilo sized unclassified
meteorite from North West Africa. 

Thanks,

Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic
Stone  Ironworks
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 12:04 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Tazizilet from Niger

Hi Bulletin Watchers,

There is one new approval.  It is an L5 from Niger that was recovered during
an eclipse-viewing expedition in 2006.

Link - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=58726

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] hunting in northern CA?

2014-02-05 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Doug,

There were 2 recant falls in California that should be close to you:

Novato http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novato_meteorite 

Sutter's Mill
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/index.php?sea=Sutter%27s+Millsfor=namesants
=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=name
categ=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tablecode=55529 

Neither will be easy hunts since both locations have been heavily searched
already. However I am sure that there are more meteorites out there.

Good Luck,

Peter

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Chenin, DDS
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:37 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] hunting in northern CA?

Hello everyone,
I'm new to meteorite hunting and would like to find some place to roam
around near me. I live in northern CA near San Francisco. Does anybody know
of any sites around here that are good for hunting? I'm willing to drive a
few hours of course, but it would be great if there was something close by.
Are there any strewnfields close by? or what is the nearest?
Thanks!
Doug

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[meteorite-list] Tektites in the Geological Record: Showers from the Sky

2014-02-04 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

With the current interest in tektites, thanks to the appearance of a nice group 
of Ivory Coast Tektites in Tucson, some of you may be looking for more 
information on them. The Geological Society of London has a great sale on now, 
they are offering Tektites in the Geological Record: Showers from the Sky for 
£10.00. They normally sell it for £65.00 a copy. Here is a link to their sale 
page:  http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/VI01

Thanks,

Peter




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Re: [meteorite-list] LINK

2014-01-28 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Werner,

I am by no means a book collector, unless you count my meteorite library.
However I do know of one typo that made a book very collectable. The Wicked
Bible with the famous commandment: Thou shall commit adultery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_Bible 

Thanks,

Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Werner
Schroer
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 8:37 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LINK

Hi list,
I'm sure Michael will be grateful for any advice we can give him in regard
to his auction. As Adam wrote, it's supposed to be fun and UFO collectibles
are part of it.
Nobody has to bid on them, so I don't know what the fuss is all about.

Anne is correct, unlike stamps printing errors are not desired by book
collectors. I guess Michael's book - which I've bought - hasn't turned out
to be a bestseller so he tries to add some rarity to them. It's called
'Marketing' and it can backfire if it's not done correctly. But again,
nobody has to bid on them if they don't like the book.

I wish someone might be willing and able to establish a video link of the
auction to the rest of the world.

Cheers
Werner Schroer
Australia



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From: Michael Blood
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:24 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LINK

OOOPS


http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionTucson2014.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone notice ADs listed on eBay

2013-04-11 Thread Peter Scherff
Sorry Don, I don't see any adds. However I use Firefox with Add Blocker, so
I wouldn't expect to see any adds.

Peter

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Merchant
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:55 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: Don Merchant
Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone notice ADs listed on eBay

Hi List. Anyone notice that when you go to view a Sellers other items that
there are advertisements placed every 5 or 6 items down on the page! When
did this start? I didn't see it yesterday. Is there any way to get rid of
these? Am I seeing things? Do I have a virus? Any thoughts?
Sincerely
Don Merchant
Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA
#0960 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Sign Up Now for your Mineral Rights (Mining Asteroids for Platinum)

2013-04-06 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

I think that the real problem may come from getting approval from the:

United
Nations
Department
Of
Near-Earth
Exploitation

Thanks,

Peter 

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bill kies
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 3:56 AM
To: Michael Mulgrew
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sign Up Now for your Mineral Rights (Mining
Asteroids for Platinum)

All in due time. It will be mind numbing to the nth degree when profits are
made. The potential for fees and regulation are as limitless as the greed
based hallucinations that currently strip us of our ability, our will, to
produce on an entrepreneurial level no matter how basic.
 


 From: mikest...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 21:23:19 -0700
 To: mars...@gmail.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sign Up Now for your Mineral Rights 
 (Mining Asteroids for Platinum)

 Just wait until you see the BLM permitting process to establish a 
 mining claim on an asteroid...

 Michael is so. Cal.

 On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Team Meteorite:
 
  When Ron Baalke forwarded today a news article about mining 
  asteroids for platinum, I at once thought of science-fiction movies 
  I have seen from behind a box of artificially-buttered popcorn.
 
  You know, those flicks where slaves from Earth work 84 year-days far 
  beneath the surface of some bare rock-moon in space partnered with 
  creatures normally viewed among the protozoa. Of course there is no 
  possible escape from this living death, but movies need happy 
  endings so our heroes always make it home to their Honey. Mining 
  asteroids seems a bit far-fetched to me.
 
  But ask a question or make a comment on the m-list and someone opens 
  the door to knowledge for you. Just walk through.
 
  Thanks to Randy Korotev, I know that OC's may contain Pt at 
  ore-grade concentrates of 1ppm.
 
  But really, how concentrated is that I wondered, ever the sceptic. 
  Two seconds research informed me that Platinum is an extremely rare 
  metal, occurring at a concentration of only 0.005 ppm in the Earth's
crust.
 
  Looking deeper into the topic (research is like mining, just keep 
  digging and you'll always find your bone) ...
 
  Platinum exists in higher abundances on the Moon and in meteorites.
  Correspondingly, platinum is found in slightly higher abundances at 
  sites of bolide impact on the Earth that are associated with 
  resulting post-impact volcanism, and can be mined economically; the 
  Sudbury Basin is one such example.
 
  And...
 
  From 1889 to 1960, the meter was defined as the length of a 
  platinum-iridium (90:10) alloy bar, known as the International 
  Prototype Meter bar. The previous bar was made of platinum in 1799.
  The International Prototype Kilogram remains defined by a cylinder 
  of the same platinum-iridium alloy made in 1879.
 
  Those two paragraphs were uncovered from 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum
 
  Sterling Webb's ever astute comments and links gave me leads and 
  info so that with a little follow-up I've also learned -
 
  - the total mass of all asteroids equals about 4% of our Moon's mass.
  (I had always thought the sum was equal to a 'broken' or 'aborted'
  planet the size of Mars or larger).
 
  - C-type asteroids are carbonaceous and the most common. Consisting 
  of clay and silicate rocks they exist furthest from the Sun in the 
  outer Belt and are the least altered by heat. They may consist of up 
  to 22% water.
 
  - S-type 'silaceous' asteroids are primarily stony materials and 
  nickle-iron and are found in the inner belt.
 
  - M-type asteroids are mostly nickle-iron and range in the middle
region.
 
  One linked article allows that because C-type asteroids are 
  expected to have water they will be targeted first, the hydrogen and 
  oxygen split to create fuel. (H-m-m-m-m-m, but 'closer' asteroids 
  is 'better' asteroids).
 
  Most importantly, is mining platinum on asteroids and delivering it 
  to Earth like so many storks bringing babies from outer space cost 
  effective?
 
  It was estimated that a single 30m asteroid might yield $25-50 
  billion worth of Pt, more or less 40,000 to 80,000kg at 'today's
prices'.
 
  The world's total Pt output was 192,000kg in 2010.
 
  From the 'Economist' article link (BTW - my favorite magazine,
  Sterling) we learn, ...the real doubt over this sort of enterprise 
  is not the supply, but the demand. Platinum, iridium and the rest 
  are expensive precisely because they are rare. Make them common, by 
  digging them out of the heart of a shattered planet, and they will 
  become cheap. The most important members of the team, then, may not 
  be the entrepreneurs and venture capitalists who put up the drive 
  and the money, nor the 

[meteorite-list] Heat from Chelybinsk meteor

2013-04-03 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

I have read some eyewitness reports of heat from the Chelybinsk
meteor. There was such heat coming in, as if it were summer. Is there any
evidence that there was a rise in temperatures on the ground. I would assume
that in a city the size of Chelybinsk there would be someone recording the
weather. I would love to see some quantitative data. I have been unable to
find anything online. 

Thanks,

Peter

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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers

2013-03-30 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

According to world renowned meteoriticist, Goethe You must be Anvil
or Hammer. Therefore all meteorites are hammer stones. Thank you  Goethe
for finally clearing up this long standing dilemma. I know that I will be
able to sleep better tonight now that this has been settled.

Thanks,

Peter

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Blood
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 3:46 PM
To: Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers

Hi Anne,
However..the topic was hammer stones. He stated ALL meteorites
are hammer stones. That was the statement - Not that all meteorites are
meteorites.
Michael

On 3/30/13 12:28 PM, Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote:

 It is Reality Michael!
 
 If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites.
 
 
 Anne M. Black
 www.IMPACTIKA.com
 impact...@aol.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net
 To: dellenit delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure.
 
 
 It is interesting to see someone so totally Convinced their 
 perspective constitutes reality.
 Michael
 
 On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, delle...@aon.at delle...@aon.at wrote:
 
 so what,
 every meteorite is a hammer stone !
 it struck planet earth
 
 d.u.
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers

2013-03-30 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Michael, 

He is quoted in the Meteoritical Bulletin so he must be a
meteoriticist. : )
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1992Metic..27...28M/054.000.htm
l

Thanks,

Peter

-Original Message-
From: Michael Blood [mailto:mlbl...@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:11 PM
To: Met. Peter Scherff; Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers

Goethe: Politician, writer, philosopher - NOT a meteoriticist.


On 3/30/13 1:02 PM, Met. Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 According to world renowned meteoriticist, Goethe You must be Anvil 
 or Hammer. Therefore all meteorites are hammer stones. Thank you  
 Goethe for finally clearing up this long standing dilemma. I know that 
 I will be able to sleep better tonight now that this has been settled.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Peter
 
 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
 Michael Blood
 Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 3:46 PM
 To: Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
 
 Hi Anne,
 However..the topic was hammer stones. He stated ALL 
 meteorites are hammer stones. That was the statement - Not that all 
 meteorites are meteorites.
 Michael
 
 On 3/30/13 12:28 PM, Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote:
 
 It is Reality Michael!
 
 If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites.
 
 
 Anne M. Black
 www.IMPACTIKA.com
 impact...@aol.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net
 To: dellenit delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure.
 
 
 It is interesting to see someone so totally Convinced their 
 perspective constitutes reality.
 Michael
 
 On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, delle...@aon.at delle...@aon.at wrote:
 
 so what,
 every meteorite is a hammer stone !
 it struck planet earth
 
 d.u.
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers

2013-03-30 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

Sorry that link didn't work. Try this one:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1992Metic..27...28M

Thanks,

Peter


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Scherff
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:33 PM
To: 'Michael Blood'; 'Met. Anne Black'; delle...@aon.at; 'Meteorite List'
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers

Hi Michael, 

He is quoted in the Meteoritical Bulletin so he must be a
meteoriticist. : )
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1992Metic..27...28M/054.000.htm
l

Thanks,

Peter

-Original Message-
From: Michael Blood [mailto:mlbl...@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:11 PM
To: Met. Peter Scherff; Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers

Goethe: Politician, writer, philosopher - NOT a meteoriticist.


On 3/30/13 1:02 PM, Met. Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 According to world renowned meteoriticist, Goethe You must be Anvil 
 or Hammer. Therefore all meteorites are hammer stones. Thank you 
 Goethe for finally clearing up this long standing dilemma. I know that 
 I will be able to sleep better tonight now that this has been settled.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Peter
 
 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
 Michael Blood
 Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 3:46 PM
 To: Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
 
 Hi Anne,
 However..the topic was hammer stones. He stated ALL 
 meteorites are hammer stones. That was the statement - Not that all 
 meteorites are meteorites.
 Michael
 
 On 3/30/13 12:28 PM, Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote:
 
 It is Reality Michael!
 
 If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites.
 
 
 Anne M. Black
 www.IMPACTIKA.com
 impact...@aol.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net
 To: dellenit delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure.
 
 
 It is interesting to see someone so totally Convinced their 
 perspective constitutes reality.
 Michael
 
 On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, delle...@aon.at delle...@aon.at wrote:
 
 so what,
 every meteorite is a hammer stone !
 it struck planet earth
 
 d.u.
 
 
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[meteorite-list] NPR Science Friday

2013-03-30 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

Here is a great interview with Meenakshi Wadhwa on NPR's Science Friday
3/29/13. What a great spokesperson for meteorites.
http://www.npr.org/2013/03/29/175741697/segment-4?ft=1f=1007sc=twutm_sour
ce=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter

Thanks,

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Re: [meteorite-list] New french meteorite ???

2013-03-28 Thread Peter Scherff
Here is a link to the story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2300445/Rock-used-Spanish-far
mer-press-ham-30-years-turns-iron-meteorite-worth-3-5m.html

Peter

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Cimala
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:08 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] New french meteorite ???

Helo
I heard tooday in radio news that new 100kg iron meteorite was recognized in
France. Someone after seeing  TV program about meteorite hunting
(MeteoriteMen ??) got a clue that he have meteorite in his house brought
from fields many years before.

Dos anyone have any idea if its true ?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Great Discovery maybe ;-) NOT

2013-03-28 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

Zagami is 18 kg but that is nowhere near the size of this rock(s).

Peter

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cometeoritec...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Great Discovery maybe ;-) NOT

Yes, Elton, certainly bogus.
But I wonder if it is in anyway connected to another email I found in my spam 
box today. Here is most of it:

We are writing you regarding a special offer. We think you have already heard 
of the Tissint meteorite, the Martian meteorite that crashed in Morocco in July 
2011 and the Natural History Museum has bought one of its pieces lately (1.1 
kg).
In fact, That 1.1 kg stone of Tissint Martian meteorite is just a small piece 
of the mother Tissint meteorite which we still have safe and sound. The latter 
is about 800-1000 times bigger than the meteorite which is at the Natural 
History Museum gallery at the moment. We recovered the whole Martian rock soon 
after it fell, then we hid it in a professional way following the advice tips 
of some experts to prevent any contamination,so if you would like to buy from 
us, contact us through our email address: meteoritebusin...@gmail.com Reply 
only if interested please,

Well, I am not interested. But 800-1000 times bigger than the 1.1kg piece would 
make it 900 to 1100 kg mass.
About the same size than that the one in that announcement. 
Coincidence?  Same scam?

Oh, and BTW, they want to sell it as one piece! No the price is not mentionned.
Did anyone else get that email?


Anne M. Black
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Great Discovery  maybe ;-) NOT


It has bogus written all over it.  Here is a big why-- 387 kg exceeds 
the mass
of ejectable material from the surface of Mars by about 380± kgs. The 
problem is
the Goldielocks conundrum:  Not too small-not too large but just 
right.  A
size small too small might make escape velocity but, may be too small 
to survive
entry.  The launching wack has to be just right-- too hard and the 
target gets
vaporized. Too large a a target rock and the inertia results in melting 
entirely
before it can get moving.  The not too small--not too large envelope 
is
theoretically between approx. 2kg up to 5-7(?) kg sized chunks at the 
surface
which survive the just right-- sized impactor. 


To fit this find scenario, multiple rocks--all most identical in 
size, adding
up to 387 kg is statistically impossible in that no less than 76x10kg 
sized
rocks would have to have been gently blasted from the surface of Mars, 
fly in
formation through a perfect trajectory all arriving as a meteor storm 
loosing
not more than half their mass during entry and every last stone would 
have to
have been recovered.
What we believe we know about orbital physics says this is impossible.  
We have
already ruled out the possibility of a single mass making it into orbit 
so this
387 TKM could not be just a few stones-- and really be from Mars.


Any single stone in this recovery(sic) exceeding 5-7kg(no ablation 
loss) is
automatically over the physical limit for a  max-sized Martian 
meteorite as I am
going by memory.  Someone might want to consult McSween's Meteorites 
and their
Parent Bodies to see is calculations. I though he placed a limit of 
around 2±kg
for recovered stone but I believe we did recover a 3-4 kg Martian. Some
inquiring mind might want to post the largest single mass or TKW for a 
single
Martian meteorite.   Note this doesn't rule out the paired falls we 
have where
multiple hand -sized stones were recovered over a very large area.

The fact that the levels of copper, silver, and gold are discussed is 
another
read flag.  I don't keep up with what is commercially mine-able ore but 
for
copper I assume it has to be 5 or more oz per ton for copper and  I 
don't
remember any meteorite chemistry that had more than a few ppb of any of 
those
metals.  The sulfate type ore deposit has yet to be identified on Mars 
but those
are even more fragile than silicate deposits.  Oh and where is the zinc 
this is
after all a sulfate type ore occurrence according to the press release?

The only Glyn Howard I can find a reference to is Glyn Howard, science
teacher/meteoritics scientist, ... Successful Music Teacher and Author 
Continues
Streak of Popular Kids' Books... He has not ever published a peer 
reviewed
classification for a meteorite that I can find but the press release 
says he
classified it himself...  In addition to having bogus written all over 
it, I can
detect the smell of Curry in there somewhere


Elton




Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted: George F. Kunz Meteorite Catalogue 1894

2013-03-26 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Mike,

Was that ever published? I thought that it was a typewritten list of
his collection.

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted: George F. Kunz Meteorite Catalogue 1894

Dear List Members,

I am looking for the following reference:

Kunz, G.F. (1894). Catalogue of the Collection of Meteorites Belonging to
George F. Kunz, New York City, N.Y., March 1, 1894.

If you have an original copy for sale or have access to one, please contact
me privately. Thank you!

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[meteorite-list] Trolls...

2013-03-23 Thread Peter Scherff
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk is 'official'

2013-03-18 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Graham,

Because they are mistaken.

Peter

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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:46 PM
To: karmaka
Cc: met-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk is 'official'

Great...but why does it state that broken fragments are rare!!!

Graham

2013/3/18 karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de:
 Dear list members,

 Chelyabinsk is OFFICIAL

 in the Meteoritical Bulletin Database

 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=57165

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[meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk meteorite

2013-03-16 Thread Peter Scherff
I have had an opportunity to see samples of the Chelyabinsk
meteorite. I think that these stones are almost as distinctive as the
fireball was spectacular. 
Many samples have deep fractures. 
Many samples have patches of reddish fusion crust. The reddish crust
may be secondary crust. It formed on broken surfaces or perhaps in the lower
portions of regmaglypts. The reddish crust is smoother than the primary
crust. 
Some samples have a brownish dusty appearance.  Despite being
freshly collected.  
Has anyone else noticed these or other interesting characteristics
of this meteorite?  
Thanks,
Peter 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk meteorite

2013-03-16 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi, 

I think the characteristics I described are seen one larger (over
20 grams) specimens. It is going to be fun to see what meteorites and
science will come from this fall.

Thanks,

Peter

-Original Message-
From: Graham Ensor [mailto:graham.en...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:25 PM
To: Count Deiro
Cc: Peter Scherff; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk meteorite

Hi Countstrange that yours do not have any of the brown crust or other
surface features common in most from the fall that were picked up within
days.

Graham

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net
wrote:
 Peter and List

 All nine Chelyabinsk/Chebarkul individuals that I have purchased from
three different foreign sources resemble themselves. The specimens I have
look like they could have come out of that pile that Mike Farmer posted.
Mostly small individuals of less than three grams, black even fusion crust,
no other coloration, regs, no cracking except for a few fracturing in flight
with the result that the interior lithography is covered by black fusion
product. None but a few that I've seen so far show more than the smallest
impact marks and those display a typical grey chondritic, almost Portland
cement color. Most landed on snow so have remained pristine. Heavier pieces
will be recovered when the ice and snow melt. They are strongly attracted to
a neo magnet and set off a detector easily, so I'm a little curious about
the initial classification I've heard. Is LL6 S1 W1 and named
Chebarkuhl..correct? Anyone...Ted?

 Send me your email address, Peter and I'll shoot you a photo.

 Regards,

 Count Deiro
 IMCA 3536

 -Original Message-
From: Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com
Sent: Mar 16, 2013 11:49 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk meteorite

   I have had an opportunity to see samples of the Chelyabinsk 
meteorite. I think that these stones are almost as distinctive as the 
fireball was spectacular.
   Many samples have deep fractures.
   Many samples have patches of reddish fusion crust. The reddish 
crust may be secondary crust. It formed on broken surfaces or perhaps 
in the lower portions of regmaglypts. The reddish crust is smoother 
than the primary crust.
   Some samples have a brownish dusty appearance.  Despite being 
freshly collected.
   Has anyone else noticed these or other interesting 
characteristics of this meteorite?
Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

2013-03-13 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Jim,

I find this all delightful. Science is messy. Theories compete for
acceptance. The one that best fits the facts and is able to predict future
discoveries wins! 
If I wanted absolute truths I would read books that the religions of
the world are based on.
Thanks,

Peter

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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Wooddell
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:46 AM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

Hello Alan, Jeff, Mendy,

I find this response somewhat bothersome.

I recently read a paper that little old me, not being anyone close to being
a scientist, can shoot dozens of holes through because of the use of
outdated obsolete information and now I read this from Alan and Jeff, who I
look up to and consider piers in this field.

The fact is, people read these papers, therefore they must be true!!!
It's like the TV commericial where the girl read something on the interenet,
so it must be true because no one can put stuff on the interent that isn't
true!

So, what is going on with these papers?  People are creating papers that are
supposed to be pier reviewed and here we have two piers shooting them down
in a public forum?  What happen to the process of pier review and if this
particular paper is completely wrong! Who were the piers?

I am not going to appologise for being a little critical about this but come
on guys, has it just become a paper mill?  It sure beginning to seem that
way.  I am completely missing the point of publishing papers with outdated
and obsolete information (when the new data is in
hand) and papers that we are reading completely wrong!

I honestly do read these papers and try to ingest as much as I can, but here
of late, it seems I am completely wasting my time reading them and then I
read your responses!  Argh.

Jim Wooddell


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:28 AM, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com wrote:
 I second what Alan wrote, at the 90% level.  With my remaining finger, 
 I'll add that the worst problem may be that these molten planetesimals 
 must magically keep metallic and silicate melts mixed together in 
 order to make chondrules, many of which have abundant metal.  I think 
 this would be physically difficult, to say the least.

 I think the ideas in this paper are philosophically quite attractive, 
 joining modern research on cosmochronology with dynamical models of 
 the disk.  But despite this new way of thinking, the basic tenets are 
 quite retro.  Many people up through the 1960s hypothesized that 
 chondrules were fragments of igneous rock. Then modern research on 
 them began.  Study after study found problems with these models, many of
which Alan outlined.
 Although the new model is a twist on the old ones, it still is subject 
 to the same tests... and it cannot pass most of them.

 Jeff


 On 3/13/2013 2:03 AM, Alan Rubin wrote:

 I'll be happy to give my opinion on the paper.  I think it is 
 completely wrong.  Here is my reasoning:
 1. Many chondrules are surrounded by secondary igneous shells, still 
 others by igneous rims.  These shells and rims indicate that the 
 chondrules haev experienced more than one melting event.
 2.  Many FeO-rich (i.e., Type-II) porphyritic olivine chondrules 
 contain relict grains of different FeO contents and different 
 O-isotopic compositions, again indicating multiple melting.  This is 
 very hard in a collision model.
 3.  One might expect molten planetesimals to have well-mixed melts.  
 If the chondrules are mainly from the larger planetesimal (the 
 target) as one would expect, the O isotopic compositions of the 
 chondrules would probably be mass-fractionated and lie on a slope-1/2 
 line on the standard three-isotope diagram.  We don't see this.
 4.  One might also expect that as the planestimal melted and began to 
 crystallize, it would become chemically fractionated, unlike the 
 unfractionated, solar, compositions of chondrules in primitive
chondrites.
 5. The occurrence of microchondrules in the fine-grained rims around 
 some normal-size chondrules and the apparent melting of pyroxene at 
 the outer surface of the chondrule to form the microchondrules 
 indicates chondrule melting by a mechanism capable of melting only 
 the outer surface of the chondrule.  This is totally inconsistent 
 with the formation by splashing by the collision of molten planetesimals.
 6. There are correlations between chondrule size, the proportion of 
 different chondrule types, the proportion of those with igneous rims 
 and secondary shells that are difficult to explain by splashing but 
 come naturally to a model invoking multiple melting in dusty nebular
regions.
 7. The non-spherical shapes of most CO chondrules indicates very 
 rapid cooling or else they would have collapsed into spheres. This 
 might be okay except for the fact that the large size of their 
 phenocrysts 

Re: [meteorite-list] Physics Questions (Having to Do, Theoretically, with Bolide Trajectories)

2013-03-06 Thread Peter Scherff
One of the best science for the masses demonstration ever was done on the
Moon. Drop a hammer and a feather and what happens?
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo_15_feather_drop.html 

Peter


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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Mulgrew
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:49 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Physics Questions (Having to Do,
Theoretically, with Bolide Trajectories)

Peter, when an object is dropped from rest on Earth its mass has nothing to
do with its acceleration.  Drop two objects of differing mass (but similar
aerodynamic properties) and they'll both hit the ground at the same time;
this is physics 101.  I didn't read past that part of your post because I
figured the rest of whatever you were trying to reason out would be flawed
since your initial understandings were in error.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Peter Richards pedricha...@gmail.com
wrote:

To preface this, I'll let you know: I have dealt with some 
 persons who such questions have been, rather, over the head of, (pun 
 not intended)... one of whom seemed to settle on the theory that I 
 must be hurting my brain with too much thinking, and another who was 
 satisfied with a conclusion to a variation of the forthcoming problem 
 based on the idea that sand blows to the northeast U.S. from the 
 midwest region, while larger stones do not (not that these persons 
 are professional physicists, thankfully). Maybe this would be better 
 directed at a physicist, but since I am dealing with something which 
 pertains to meteorites, and certain specific falls, I will submit this 
 for consideration by the members of this list:
   On earth, acceleration of a suspended, then falling, or dropped, 
 object, such as from a standstill, is determined by the mass of the 
 object in a positive respect and the factor of air resistance in a 
 negative respect; hence, a denser material of the same shape and 
 orientation falls faster. This is because, here on earth, we have both 
 an atmosphere, and a specific directional pull of gravity. I've read 
 that, on the moon, where resistance of the atmosphere is negligible, 
 if not absolutely nil, two objects of unlike densities will be pulled 
 downwards at an equal rate (they say, even an elephant and feather 
 will be pulled downward at the same rate, only being resisted by 
 gravitational pull from other objects in the universe, I figure). If 
 those observations are correct (and I'm not entirely sure they, 
 although, it seems as if they very well may be, to me), then we've 
 identified two situations, 1. one in which mass and density with 
 relation to shape/and orientation does matter, but sum shape/volume 
 (short for what determines air resistance) does not, for if an object 
 is twice the size of the other, although not twice as dense, but an 
 equal density, and shape, and orientation, it will fall at the same 
 rate, because the ratio between its own mass and air-displacing 
 profile is equal (I am not saying this law is universal, at all 
 scales, but for practical purposes maybe it is?), and 2. another, in 
 which, shape and orientation don't matter, and nor does the mass, or 
 the density .
  So, finally, my question is this: Do we have a third situation in 
 which mass and density has a negligible effect, but air resistance due 
 to shape and orientation does (That is to say, compensating for 
 gravitational pull correlating to mass, or in a vector in which this 
 is negated, the objects would encounter particles travelling at 
 them.)? Again, it's somewhat difficult to imagine, but if there were 
 such a scenario, would a large heavy object, NOT be held more still 
 than a proportionally lighter and smaller object, but RATHER less so?
 Hence, for a fourth time, would higher inertia be totally detached 
 from correlating to higher mass, thus correlating only with lower air 
 resistance, ie better aerodynamics?
  One might think that a bolide does not fit these criteria (or 
 support this thesis), since the larger, generally less aerodynamic 
 pieces tend to travel farthest, but is this not a result of these 
 particles having been subject to less air resistance, in sum, than the 
 smaller particles, which had broken from the outer surfaces of these 
 very objects, due to the very momentum the main masses carried, in 
 effect, absorbing the shock for them, somewhat (meaning they it is not 
 for lack of momentum, due to lower mass, that they end up travelling 
 less far)?

 (a question of) Peter Richards
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Re: [meteorite-list] Physics Questions (Having to Do, Theoretically, with Bolide Trajectories)

2013-03-06 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Michael,

Yes, that is why I posted it. In a vacuum all objects, in effect, have the
same aerodynamic property.

Peter Scherff


-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Mulgrew
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:07 PM
To: Peter Scherff
Cc: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Physics Questions (Having to Do,
Theoretically, with Bolide Trajectories)

Peter, that's because of the lack of atmosphere on the moon.  Again (and
supported by the example you cited), mass has no effect on an object's
acceleration in free fall.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com wrote:
 One of the best science for the masses demonstration ever was done on 
 the Moon. Drop a hammer and a feather and what happens?
 http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo_15_feather_drop.html

 Peter


 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
 Michael Mulgrew
 Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:49 PM
 To: Meteorite List
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Physics Questions (Having to Do, 
 Theoretically, with Bolide Trajectories)

 Peter, when an object is dropped from rest on Earth its mass has 
 nothing to do with its acceleration.  Drop two objects of differing 
 mass (but similar aerodynamic properties) and they'll both hit the 
 ground at the same time; this is physics 101.  I didn't read past that 
 part of your post because I figured the rest of whatever you were 
 trying to reason out would be flawed since your initial understandings
were in error.

 Michael in so. Cal.

 On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Peter Richards pedricha...@gmail.com
 wrote:

To preface this, I'll let you know: I have dealt with some 
 persons who such questions have been, rather, over the head of, 
 (pun not intended)... one of whom seemed to settle on the theory that 
 I must be hurting my brain with too much thinking, and another who 
 was satisfied with a conclusion to a variation of the forthcoming 
 problem based on the idea that sand blows to the northeast U.S. from 
 the midwest region, while larger stones do not (not that these 
 persons are professional physicists, thankfully). Maybe this would be 
 better directed at a physicist, but since I am dealing with something 
 which pertains to meteorites, and certain specific falls, I will 
 submit this for consideration by the members of this list:
   On earth, acceleration of a suspended, then falling, or 
 dropped, object, such as from a standstill, is determined by the mass 
 of the object in a positive respect and the factor of air resistance 
 in a negative respect; hence, a denser material of the same shape and 
 orientation falls faster. This is because, here on earth, we have 
 both an atmosphere, and a specific directional pull of gravity. I've 
 read that, on the moon, where resistance of the atmosphere is 
 negligible, if not absolutely nil, two objects of unlike densities 
 will be pulled downwards at an equal rate (they say, even an elephant 
 and feather will be pulled downward at the same rate, only being 
 resisted by gravitational pull from other objects in the universe, I 
 figure). If those observations are correct (and I'm not entirely sure 
 they, although, it seems as if they very well may be, to me), then 
 we've identified two situations, 1. one in which mass and density 
 with relation to shape/and orientation does matter, but sum 
 shape/volume (short for what determines air resistance) does not, for 
 if an object is twice the size of the other, although not twice as 
 dense, but an equal density, and shape, and orientation, it will fall 
 at the same rate, because the ratio between its own mass and 
 air-displacing profile is equal (I am not saying this law is 
 universal, at all scales, but for practical purposes maybe it is?), 
 and 2. another, in which, shape and orientation don't matter, and nor 
 does the mass, or the density .
  So, finally, my question is this: Do we have a third situation 
 in which mass and density has a negligible effect, but air resistance 
 due to shape and orientation does (That is to say, compensating for 
 gravitational pull correlating to mass, or in a vector in which this 
 is negated, the objects would encounter particles travelling at 
 them.)? Again, it's somewhat difficult to imagine, but if there were 
 such a scenario, would a large heavy object, NOT be held more still 
 than a proportionally lighter and smaller object, but RATHER less so?
 Hence, for a fourth time, would higher inertia be totally detached 
 from correlating to higher mass, thus correlating only with lower air 
 resistance, ie better aerodynamics?
  One might think that a bolide does not fit these criteria (or 
 support this thesis), since the larger, generally less aerodynamic

[meteorite-list] Type 7 chondrites

2013-03-04 Thread Peter Scherff

Hi,

Is there any consensus about petrologic type 7 chondrites? Are they better
classified as Primitive Achondrites? If type 7 is different from primitive
achondtites what is the line between them? 

Thanks,

Peter Scherff

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Re: [meteorite-list] SPACE EXPO - OFF TOPIC (TANGENTIALLY)

2013-02-27 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Darryl,

It sounds as if this is a very exciting project. 

Since the exhibited is in Israel I think you should include a
display about Israel's first astronaut, Ilan Ramon. He was killed in the
Columbia crash. Portions of his diary survived the crash. If you could
display a page of it I think it would be a highlight of the Expo. Even a
replica of a page would be of great interest. 

I think you should strongly consider the scale Solar System. I would
use a scale similar to the one that the Boston Science Museum used.
http://www.everytrail.com/guide/community-solar-system-trail-boston-museum-o
f-science The planets need not be in a line the planets could radiate out
from the Sun at the Expo. I think that it is more important that they be in
exciting places. They will serve as advertisements for the expo. I can
imagine a social media aspect to the display where people post pictures of
themselves and their friends at the planets.

Thanks,

Peter 

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From: Darryl Pitt [mailto:dar...@dof3.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:55 AM
To: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
Cc: petersche...@rcn.com; meteoritelist meteoritelist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SPACE EXPO - OFF TOPIC (TANGENTIALLY)


Hi

I want to thank everyone for their input.  For those taking their first
peek, I would like to know the coolest things you've experienced at an
exploratorium/museum that pertain to space and space travel-or any other
ideas you have pertaining to the same. 


As it regards further details of the expo in which I'm involved

There will be approximately 30,000 square feet devoted to this endeavor
which will take place in the most modern exhibition venue in Tel Aviv.
(There was a jazz festival which occurred in the same space last year and
the production (sound  lights, staging, rigging, set design) was among the
best I've experienced). 

The exhibition will contain space memorabilia as well as detailed, full-size
replicas of Mercury and Apollo capsules (the latter was used in the film
Apolllo 13)-as well as the replica of the space shuttle cockpit used in all
big budget films and advertisements.  And there will be meteorites! (I mean,
after they ramped me in, how could there not be  ;-)  as well as the
Peekskill Meteorite Car.

There is a lot of room for possibilities for both group as well as
individual exploratorium experiences.  It is estimated that over the course
of the summer 225,000 visitors will spend on-average approximately 2 1/2
hours at the exhibit, so there is not much that can be done in terms of
small group let's build this efforts.  To use Larry's phraseology, most of
this exhibit is geared to wandering by.

Hoping this further clarifies the nature of this event.   Keep those ideas
rollingLarry, please send me your number, I can't seem to find it.  


All the best and thanks again / Darryl


On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:37 AM, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote:

 Hi Darryl:
 
 Yes, a little more information would be good.
 
 How much space (no pun) do you have (floor or table)? How interactive 
 do you want it to be and how many people are there to support what you do?
 Some activities can be done without a person involved others need a 
 real person to run it.
 
 Building (and commenting) on what Peter suggested with respect to 
 activities we have done in large venues:
 
 Solar System scale model: takes some space and better if you use one 
 that is not just stringing them out in a line. You can do size 
 comparison separate from distance and there are ways to actually have 
 them make the planet with clay, but this takes time.
 
 Comet making can be fun, but for a large venue, probably best to do as 
 a demo. Takes supplies and can get messy.
 
 I just did a variation of our Earth/Moon size and distance where you 
 have
 50 balls of clay and put them into two piles (totaling 50) to 
 represent the size of the Moon relative to the Earth (40 and 10, 35 
 and 15, etc.) and then do the relative distance. Works well with 
 hundreds going by over time.
 
 What you can do depends on the venue and the age group and whether or 
 not they just wander by or you have them in a group.
 
 I could continue this conversation off line, if you want.
 
 Larry
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi Darryl,
 
 Just a few quick thoughts:
 
 Scale model of the solar system
 Meteorite hunting in a salted strewn field with magnet canes 
 digital polarizing microscope with a cool thin section spectroscope 
 Mars rover race Make a comet telescope observing
 
 Many of these ideas may not work for you. Could you tell us more 
 about the event?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Peter
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Re: [meteorite-list] Trying to Contact Steve Arnold (Meteorite Men)

2013-02-20 Thread Peter Scherff
Steve meteorh...@aol.com

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Don
Merchant
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:27 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: Don Merchant
Subject: [meteorite-list] Trying to Contact Steve Arnold (Meteorite Men)

Hi List. Does anyone have a direct email so I can reach Steve Arnold
(Meteorite Men) about some meteorites I purchased from him.
Please email me off List with this please.
Thank you and have a wonderful day.

Sincerely
Don Merchant
Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk - Is it a hammer ???

2013-02-17 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Mike,

I think of hammer as a term that collector's use to organize their 
collections and dealer's use to market their meteorites. As such hammer is in 
the eye of the beholder. I don't think there will ever be a universally 
accepted definition. I admire you for trying to nail down a definition however 
I think you have a hopeless task ahead of you.

Thanks,

Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic 
Stone  Ironworks
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 4:46 PM
To: met-list
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk - Is it a hammer ???

Hi List,

Quick question for hammer collectors :

If meteorites are recovered from this event, and these recovered meteorites did 
not actually strike anything manmade, would this fall still have any reason to 
be labeled as a hammer ?

Does damage from an impact shockwave count towards this fall being a hammer?

I know this is sticky issue to some - the term hammer fall is not widely 
accepted and it's validity has been hotly debated on this list previously.  
This Russian event is spectacular for many reasons and does not need to be 
promoted to hammer status if it doesn't deserve such status.

Possible labels for this fall :

1) fall (of course)

2) witnessed fall (duh!)

3) observed fall (yes)

4) hammer fall (? - questionable at best)

5) crater-maker (does a hole in an ice-sheet count as a crater?)

6) wake-up call : time to start seriously considering an effective system to 
detect these small threats which fall under the size-detection threshold of 
larger observing networks.  It's amazing that an object with the power to 
flatten a city slipped through undetected, despite most of the world's 
telescopes being pointed upwards for about  a month preceding the impact.

Best regards,

MikeG

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[meteorite-list] the preposition before

2013-01-07 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,
With the lively discussion about fall/find terminology recently
going on I thought that it is a good time to ask the lists opinion (if it i
ever a good time to ask the list for an opinion) about a preposition that I
have started to add to my descriptions of meteorites. The preposition that I
am talking about is before.  I often insert before between found and
the date i.e. Found before 1576. To me this acknowledges the truth that the
meteorite was known to exist prior to is discovery by western society.
Before also indicates that there may be an interesting pre-discovery
history. So my questions to the list are: Does my use of before make a
difference to you? Is it confusing or informative? Or is it just a waste of
ink and electrons?

Thanks,

Peter


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[meteorite-list] Q. David Bowers' manuscript

2013-01-04 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,
The announcement of the Sterley pallasite has started me thinking
about pallasites. One of my pallasite quests is to read Q. David Bowers'
manuscript on pallasites. Does anyone have a copy, know where a copy is or
even seen a copy of it? I have written to Mr. Bowers in regards to it. I
didn't receive a response. I wrote to Harvard and was told that they didn't
have a copy of the manuscript. He gave the bulk of his pallasite collection
to Harvard. It is defiantly worth a visit to see it the next time you are in
Cambridge. I would love to have the opportunity to see Mr. Bowers'
manuscript. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,

Peter



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[meteorite-list] Steve Curry

2013-01-03 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

Here is a link to an Ebay auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251207893096?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D251207893096%26_rdc%3D1

I assume that someone who purchased a meteorite from Steve Curry in the past is 
innocently trying to resell it to recoup his investment.

Peter


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Re: [meteorite-list] Now this is scary.........

2012-12-04 Thread Peter Scherff
My wife purchased a copy for us.   : )

Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groetz
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:52 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Now this is scary.

   I look up meteorite books on Amazon and came across this on the third
page...

http://www.amazon.com/Impregnated-Meteorite-Transformation-Erotica-ebook/dp/
B0088QRHU4/ref=sr_1_20?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1354664764sr=1-20keywords=meteo
rite

   My wife will want me to sell my collection quick!

Mike

   Its unbelievable the things people come up with.
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Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy

2012-12-03 Thread Peter Scherff
In the US there tends to be an urban rural split in the way we view
government. People in urban areas tend to see the government as protecting
individual’s rights. The government will stop my neighbor from playing loud
music at night, it will make that jerk down the street pick up after his
dog, it will tow the car that is blocking my garage and it will close the
park at night to reduce crime.  Whereas people from rural areas are more
likely to view the government as taking away their rights. Property rights
are under the most government pressure in rural areas the government may
prevent people from cutting   down their own trees,
limit where you can graze your cattle or forbid bid you from building a wind
turbine. Each of these perspectives is valid and no amount of debate is
likely to changesomeone’s views. 
One thing about the BLM regulations (not laws) is the prohibition on the
sales of meteorites found on BLM lands. That prohibition will just create a
black market for these meteorites that will keep them out of the hands of
science. I believe that a “free market” for meteorites encourages people to
hunt for meteorites. The more people hunting the more meteorites found. The
more meteorites found the more meteorites that can be studied by scientists.
So please BLM, use the permitting process to make it easy for “commercial”
hunters to collect meteorites on BLM managed land. Perhaps the terms of the
permit could be something along the lines of a $100 onetime fee that would
allow the hunter to hunt on BLM managed land. If the permits require
environmental impact statements and/or large fees none will be sought or
issued.
Peter   

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of jason utas
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:25 AM
To: Meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy

Hello Jodie,
You're nit-picking terminology more than anything else.  They may not own
the land, but it's under their jurisdiction.  A policeman may not own his
sidearm, yet you being a citizen, are still not allowed to use his publicly
owned property.  He has jurisdiction over it.

The above analogy is funky because the sidearm serves a purpose for the
policeman, whereas the meteorite simply holds scientific and monetary value.
But when I see spectacular meteorites like the 300 pound main mass of
Glorietta Mountain diced and sold for personal profit, I believe that
constitutes misuse of public property.  And since we're talking about
meteorites that belong to the public, my opinion is a valid one.

Why do you think I included the references to the local Occupy the Farm
idiots over here in Berkeley?  They decided that UC-managed land was as good
as theirs, and that they could do what they want with it.

That's not how public property works.

If it's owned by the federal government and managed by the BLM, the BLM
gets to set the rules.  You may not like the way that the BLM runs things,
but the system was put in place by politicians we, the people, voted into
positions of power.  In this case, it sounds like many meteorite dealers
have a special interest (e.g. meteorite
hunting/selling) and care about policies that the BLM is enacting --
policies that the population at large does not care about.  If the minority
is loud enough, they might change things to the way they want them to be.
If they can't manage that, well, this is a democracy.

Our government may not own anything at all, but I'm glad that they have
the power to manage large areas of land, because corporations and private
citizens are not capable of responsibly keeping many areas of land -- and
especially areas of natural interest -- safe *or* clean.  We know that for a
fact.

And organizations like the BLM need money to do that.  Since the permits
mentioned in the BLM regulations are only necessary for those who will
profit from exploiting resources on land managed by BLM land (selling
meteorites), I see no problem with the regulations.  What's a
$100(?) permit compared with the sale value of ten pounds of meteorites
(4,510 grams) from the American Southwest?  Nothing.

I'm all for smaller government and less bureaucracy, but all of this
libertarian stuff is getting on my nerves.  The BLM serves a purpose, and,
as best I can tell, you're pissed off because of a few incompetent
employees.  That's not a good reason to simply forego any oversight on vast
tracts of American land that would no doubt be abused immediately without
oversight...and are abused, regardless, but to a lesser extent.  I've spent
more time in the desert than most, and know that much firsthand.  If you
want to reform the BLM, that's a whole different issue.

Regards,

Jason



On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org
wrote:
 Hi Jason,

 The 

[meteorite-list] Steven Curry guilty

2012-10-19 Thread Peter Scherff
Thanks to Blaine Reed:

http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/articles/fake-space-rock-peddler-guilty-on-th
ree-counts/#.UID9Jkj7sTE.facebook

Peter

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Re: [meteorite-list] It's from the ashtray belt!

2012-10-18 Thread Peter Scherff
My guess is  autocorrect gone horribly wrong.

Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sterling
K. Webb
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:17 PM
To: Ed Deckert; jimsk...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's from the ashtray belt!

List, Ed, Jim,

The phrase ashtray belt can be found in all follow-on news stories like
this one:
http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/salinas/Stunning-meteor-showers-
wow-Central-Coast-sky-watchers/-/5738906/17042872/-/dia4eb/-/index.html

This is because it originally appeared in the first Associated Press story.
It was shortly thereafter corrected, but every source that used that AP item
before the correction has the ashtray belt quote in it.

It was a reporter's mishearing the phrase asteroid belt that gave rise to
it, I presume, but how long will the story stick to Jonathan Braidman, an
astronomer at Oakland's Chabot Space and Science Center?

He'll be living in the Ashtray Belt for a heck of a long time...


Sterling K. Webb
-
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From: Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com
To: jimsk...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's from the ashtray belt!


 Surely he jests!  However, if someone actually believes that the 
 ashtray belt exists, they could easily be the butt of that joke. 
 :-)

 Ed

 - Original Message - 
 From: jimsk...@aol.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:08 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] It's from the ashtray belt!


 The Oakland Tribune reports the exploding streaks were especially 
 visible
 Wednesday night over the San Francisco Bay area and other parts of 
 Northern
 California, with reports of bright fireballs and loud booms from 
 Santa Cruz
 County to Mendocino County.

 Happened to look over, saw like a crescent shaped object, reddish 
 orange
 in color, Edward Pierce told KGO-TV. As it went away it started 
 getting
 larger. Kind of expanding.

 Jonathan Braidman, an astronomer at Oakland's Chabot Space and 
 Science
 Center, told the station what Pierce and others saw were small, 
 car-sized
 pieces  of rock and metal from the ashtray belt.

 It crashed through the earth's atmosphere, ionizing and setting the 
 air on
 fire in its wake, he said.

 National Weather Service forecaster Steve Anderson tells the Tribune 
 that
 warm temperatures and cloud-free skies are making the bright lights 
 more
 visible, a phenomenon that should only increase as the weekend 
 approaches and
 the shower continues.

 The fireballs are part of the large, fast Orionid meteor shower, 
 so-named
 because it has the Orion constellation as a backdrop.


_http://weather.aol.com/2012/10/18/stunning-meteor-showers-blaze-across-cali
 fornia-sky/#page=1%3Ficid_

(http://weather.aol.com/2012/10/18/stunning-meteor-showers-blaze-across-cali
fornia-sky/#page=1?icid)

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite of Anu

2012-09-25 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Phil,

The epic of Gilgamesh is a great tale. Here is  what I think it  is
about:

The passage that you refer to has 2 dreams in it, in the first the
meteorite of Anu is falling and in the   second an ax appears at the gate to
his marital chamber.  The meteorite of Anu is an omen. It  foretells   of
the coming of a powerful man who Gilgamesh will compete with and love as he
would his wife.  His next dream about the axe has the same meaning.
Needless to say the dreams come true with the arrival of Enkidu, the primal
man who becomes Gilgamesh's sidekick and lover.  They each tried to outdo
the other. 
The meteorite of Anu appears in an earlier Babylonian tale.  The dream is
similar but the King is able to lift the meteorite with the help of his
nobles.  He doth not make love to it as he did in the latter Assyrian
version. In the  earlier  version  a meteorite  was a thing  to be
controlled by  man  or at least   by a man- god  like Gilgamesh.  By the
time  the Assyrian version is recorded  the meteorite  is  beyond  man's
control  and  is immovable  and  worshiped  as a god.  It is   possible that
an actual meteorite fell near the time of the writing of the Babylonian
version. When the Assyrian version  was recorded  the  truth of the
meteorite  had  faded  and  all that  was  left of it  was its mythic power.


Thanks,

Peter

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JoshuaTreeMuseum
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 1:26 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite of Anu

I wonder what this is about? (From the Epic of Gilgamesh.)




Gilgamesh got up and revealed the dream, saying to his mother:
Mother, I had a dream last night.
Stars of the sky appeared,
and some kind of meteorite of Anu fell next to me.
I tried to lift it but it was too mighty for me, I tried to turn it over but
I could not budge it.
The Land of Uruk was standing around it, the whole land had assembled about
it, the populace was thronging around it, the Men clustered about it, and
kissed its feet as if it were a little baby.
I loved it and embraced it as a wife.
I laid it down at your feet,
and you made it compete with me.


Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum
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Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules

2012-09-21 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

My understanding of meteorite ownership law in the USA is that the
meteorite belongs to the land owner. In the Old Woman case the government
exercised its right to meteorites found on government land. Meteorite
hunters have been lucky that the government has not claimed all finds. I
think that the government would have been within the law to do so. So this
new rule gives meteorite hunters an clear right to keep the meteorites they
find (up to 10 pounds). This rule gives meteorite hunters more not less
rights. It all depends on your point of view. 

Thanks,

Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Grossman
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:06 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules

All,

For those of you who don't know, I contribute to this list as a private
citizen, but I work at NASA headquarters, with duties that extend to
oversight of curation and research programs.  I will be reading all posts on
the list pertaining to this issue.

Jeff

On 9/20/2012 6:37 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
 I have been in communications with the BLM on and off all day.  Art, 
 thank for the HTML reminder as I have been trying to post all day and 
 thought I had this set correctly!

 Here is the first response:

 Dear Mr. Wooddell: The application fee is dependent on the time it 
 takes for BLM to process the project proposal in the application. This 
 would be determined by the field office manager after the application 
 is submitted and reviewed. These fees would be estimated for you prior 
 to the processing of the application, and would include monitoring 
 fees as well.  The permit application/ permit is 2920-1 attached; fees 
 would be on page 2 when a permit is issued.  Some examples of what the 
 fees would be can be found on the following web site and one example 
 is attached. http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/more/lands.html You 
 mentioned a nation-wide permit in your email.  BLM issues permits on 
 a local level, and at maximum could be on a state-wide level, for 
 lands that we administer in the Western States. Thank you,Lucia Kuizon
 ---

 I am not going to post their second response but they are now aware of 
 some issues that may or may not change the wording.

 I feel it is imperative for NASA to reach out and support hunters on 
 this issue in regards to the need to hunt fresh falls immediately, 
 without delay of some permit process.  While they are claiming media 
 sparked this, most of us knew it was coming, just did not know when or 
 how the wording would be.

 The current fee structure is twofold.  1.  The application / permit.
 2.  The monitoring fee.  Currently the fees will range from ~$100 to
 ~$1100 for commercial huntersthose seeking profit.  This is based 
 on their current cost recovery methods.  I have both the application 
 and the fee schedule as example based on the above response.  If 
 anyone wants them shoot me a private email.

 The big issue for hunters is that this will be based on a regional 
 level where each district supervisor may or may not have special 
 conditions, etc.  Bottom line is that it will be required to have 
 permits in different hunting areas and could greatly increase overhead 
 for professional hunters.  If hunters have to wait for a permit 
 process during a meteor event that produces meteorites, I feel science 
 looses.

 Regards,

 Jim


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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Gibeon Anvil Slices, update and new photos

2012-09-11 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Steve,
Thanks for offering the rarest of the rare, the Gibeon anvil slice. It 
is now the center piece of my collection. For a long time I have been looking 
to add a meteorite used as a tool to my collection and you finally made it 
possible. I can't believe that you have not sold out of these great slices. I 
think your offering is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
I think that the intersection between man and meteorites is the most 
interesting part about studying meteorites. I mean I love what we can learn 
about the formation of the solar system from the study of meteorites. But I 
find it difficult to relate to a protoplanetary disk. However I can readily 
imagine what it must have been like to be the only kid on the block to be able 
forge iron. Finding some “heavenly iron” must truly have been a gift from the 
gods back in the pre-iron age. 
I recall as a child wanting to touch a harpoon made from a piece of 
Cape York. When as an adult I learned that King Tut had a dagger made from 
meteoritic iron I thought how cool is that. I was disappointed when I learned 
that the fabled guns given to President James Monroe were not in fact made from 
Campo del Cielo iron meteorites despite stories to the contrary. The highlight 
of my trip to ASU was holding the barrete that Nininger purchased which was 
manufactured from a Toluca meteorite. You could still see the widmanstatten 
lines showing in the tool. Last on my list of great tool meteorites is the 
Tucson Ring. A beautiful meteorite made greater by being used as an anvil.
Now I own a meteorite that was a tool. I can see the deformed widmanstatten 
pattern and imagine the countless blows that it took in its life as an anvil. I 
can imagine the power and status that would flow to someone who could work 
these rare pieces of iron into useful tools and weapons.  
Thanks again for allowing me to add a meteorite tool to my collection. I 
thought that they would forever be out of my reach. 
Peter

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Steve Arnold
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 2:16 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Gibeon Anvil Slices, update and new photos

Hey List,

Just a quick notice, I do have a few more Gibeon Anvil slices up for
sale at the $499 sale price (marked down from $900).   I was able to
re-polish them, re-etch them, get the acid in the cavities (squished
regmaglypts) neutralized this time around, so it would stop over etching after 
I wanted it to stop.  And these look AMAZING now.  100% improvement.  They even 
took fairly good photos.  But like most irons, they still look better in your 
hand as you can turn them to capture the light just right with them.

Here are the new photos:

http://s361.photobucket.com/albums/oo52/stevearnoldpmh/Gibeon%20Anvil%20Slices/

I also have what I feel is the best one remaining out of the batch up on Ebay 
on a 3 day sale here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320979330044ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

For those not aware, the story of this specimen was written up in the current 
issue of Meteorite Magazine and you can go back into the archives and read my 
comments about this unique piece.

Folks, this is a killer price. Grab one of these before they all get turned 
into knife blades!

Steve Arnold
Host of Science Channel's TV Series Meteorite Men
   www.ScienceChannel.com
Co-Founder of America's Meteorite Store: Meteorites  More, 28 1/2 Spring St., 
Eureka Springs, AR 72632 President Palladot Inc, Extra-terrestrial Gemstones
   www.Palladot.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] looking for Joe Hill off topic

2012-08-14 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Michael,

I dreamed I saw him last night.   :)

Peter

P.S. Sorry, I was able to resist the first time you posted this.

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Blood
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:38 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] looking for Joe Hill

Sorry all,
Joe Hill, please contact me
Thanks again, Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] last fall in indyeah - jalangee

2012-07-18 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Mike,

Are you saying that Me Teor is not the posters real name?  O ye,
of little faith.

Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 2:32 PM
To: Me Teor
Cc: Meteorite Central
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] last fall in indyeah - jalangee

Who are you? 
Most people don't like anonymous
Emails.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Me Teor m3t30r1t3...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was told by my sources that there was supposedly a gentleman from a
space research agency from USA (unconfirmed) in Jalangee yesterday and
today. Looking for material from that fall. And his trip ended in failure as
I already visited the place 2 days after the fall and observed that it is
impossible to recover anything due to the marshy conditions and hectares of
6ft high jute crop.
 
 If someone knows who this person is. Kindly pass on this email to him.
 
 M.E
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] sand-blaster

2012-07-12 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Francesco,

I would start with something more gentle, walnut shells. If they don't give
you what you are looking for I would then try glass beads.

Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Francesco
Moser
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:16 PM
To: 'meteorite-list'
Subject: [meteorite-list] sand-blaster

Hello!
I'm planning to buy a sandblaster gun for remove rust from my iron
meteorites and also for remove rust-sand from an as-found Muonionalusta.

Wich type of sand is better? 
SiO2 (corundum), iron powder or glass microsphere? Wich #grit?


Thanks a lot!

Francesco!
IMCA #1510

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question

2012-07-12 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Pete,

Without seeing the sample I am just guessing but it might be iron sulfide.

Peter

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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:18 PM
To: The List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question

I have a puzzelment on one of my UNWA's.
There are a number of yellow very shiney blebs in a dark brown matrix. Two
of the blebs are on oposite sides of the slice as near as I can tell
directly accross from each other. These are the largest of all the blebs, at
1X2 mm in size. Any thoughts?
If they were copper, they would have tarnished. I don't think brass is
possible, So I'm left with, dare I say, gold?
Do supernovas produce elements much higher than iron?
Pete

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question

2012-07-12 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Pete,

Without seeing the sample I am just guessing but it might be iron sulfide.

Peter

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To: The List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question

I have a puzzelment on one of my UNWA's.
There are a number of yellow very shiney blebs in a dark brown matrix. Two
of the blebs are on oposite sides of the slice as near as I can tell
directly accross from each other. These are the largest of all the blebs, at
1X2 mm in size. Any thoughts?
If they were copper, they would have tarnished. I don't think brass is
possible, So I'm left with, dare I say, gold?
Do supernovas produce elements much higher than iron?
Pete

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Re: [meteorite-list] the last iron meteorite fall

2012-07-09 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

I would love to find some Sterlitamak for my collection. Anyone have
some?

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the last iron meteorite fall

Steve...

Sterlitamak, Russia
May 17, 1990
IIIAB iron
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P


clear skies,
Kelly


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Re: [meteorite-list] Burnham's Celestial Handbook

2012-06-12 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Brend,

Leslie Peltier was, in a small way, responsible for getting me
interested in astronomy  meteorites. My mother grew up down the road from
him in Delphos, Ohio. He would show the local kids his new discoveries, my
mother was one of the kids. Her interest in the heavens was passed down to
me. It was not until later that I discovered that the guy down the road
was Leslie Peltier. On day I was reading Starlight Nights and my mother saw
the author's name. After that I was very jealous of the views she had thru
his telescope.

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Burnham's Celestial Handbook

Hello List,

Burnham's Celestial Handbook trilogy has always been as essential to me as
O.R. Norton's RFS (I,II) and his Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites.

Another very inspirational and motivating booklet that I can highly
recommend is Starlight Nights, The Adventures of a Star-Gazer by Leslie C.
Peltier* (1965).

* see also: Leslie Peltier remembered, ST, 1980, Aug, pp. 104-105.

Cheers,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks

2012-05-23 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Mike,

Here is what was given:

In November 1969, then-U.S. President Richard Nixon requested NASA fabricate
approximately 250 displays for distribution by the White House containing
lunar surface material and the flags of 135 nations, U. S. possessions and
states.

Each presentation included 0.05 grams of dust (encased in lucite) retrieved
by the Apollo 11 astronauts, as well as a flag of the recepient nation
carried aboard the mission.

The displays presented to foriegn nations were inscribed:

 
Presented to the People of  by Richard Nixon, President of
the United States of America.

This Flag of Your Nation was Carried to the Moon and Back by Apollo 11
and This Fragment of the Moon's Surface was Brought to Earth by the Crew of
That First Manned Lunar Landing. 

(With exception of the plaque for Venezuela, when it was discovered that the
country's flag was not carried aboard Apollo 11. Instead, a flag flown on
Apollo 12 was used with the following wording: This flag of your nation was
carried to the moon and back, and this fragment of the moon's surface was
brought to earth by the crew of the first manned lunar landing.)

Thanks,

Peter

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To: Count Deiro
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks

Greetings List,

It is hard to tell exact scale in the photo (in the article that Count
posted), but it looks like 4 Bessey specks suspended inside a marble of
clear acrylic (or lucite, or ?).  I had always assumed that the Apollo moon
rocks the US government distributed to various countries were much larger -
perhaps acorn sized fragments, or a decent part-slice or something.
Apparently we were giving away crumb-sized micros.

Or maybe, a given nation's relative value to the US as an ally may have
dictated by how much Apollo material they received.  And poor Nicaragua only
merited a few specks.  LOL.

Best regards,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] Does anybody knows the owner of the meteorite-list ?

2012-05-19 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Pierre,

Here is another address for Art:
blurthel...@gmail.com

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Does anybody knows the owner of the meteorite-list
?



Hello,

I wish to contact the owner of the Meteorite-list forum.  Does anybody knows
its private email as I didnt get a reply from
meteorite-list-ow...@meteoritecentral.com

Kind regards

Pierre
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt?

2012-05-17 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Steve,

You are cruel sending an e-mail like this without a link to a photo.

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt?

Hey List,

I just got in some slices of Sutter's Mill.  

So I have a question, do carbonaceous chondrites ever have impact melt zones
in them?

Steve Arnold
Host of Meteorite Men
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Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Curry in trouble with CO State attorney general

2012-04-25 Thread Peter Scherff
I wonder if he is smart enough to hire a lawyer and follow the lawyer's
advice? Perhaps he is laying the ground work for an insanity defense. Why
else would he be giving TV interviews?

Peter

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general


That was good news coverage of the case.

 

Fortunately, Curry has taken on an inculpable attitude with an obvious
arrogance of Deny, deny, deny. I didn't think they were fake, so I'm not
guilty!

He will find out soon enough that this just p***es everyone off in the
courtroom, and he'll lose any chance of sympathy when it comes time for
sentencing.

 


 


 From: tommy2...@hvc.rr.com
 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:10:33 -0400
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Curry in trouble with CO State
attorney general
 
 Sweet! Go get him! Watch the video! 
 
 http://bit.ly/IoX9Vu
 
 Regards,
 
 Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] Strewn Field Questions

2012-04-20 Thread Peter Scherff
HI Jim,

Unless you have an extremely old surface, I would suspect that the Easter
Bunny has been hiding Meteorites on your  the strewn field. I have been told
of Easter Bunny sightings in southern Europe!

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewn Field Questions

I have a few questions about known strewn fields of the world.  I have read
a few research papers on some fields, but I am really looking for specific
answers to some of my crazy questions.



So, first question:  Does anyone know of confirmed strewn fields anywhere in
the world where the larger stones of each independent field are found less
than 1 mile of each other with different classifications?



Second question:  If you do, what are the names of these fields and the
research documents that show the evidence???



Third question:  What do you think the odds of 2 or three strewn fields all 
ending on the large side in an area of less than 1 mile apart and to a 
greater extent less than ¼ mile apart could be???  Would the odds be better 
than winning the Mega Millions Lottery?



Thanks!





Jim









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Re: [meteorite-list] AZ Teacher asking for help - Geology

2012-03-16 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Mike,

I too didn't like the DonorsChoice.org site. According the site they
will give a $600 camera to the teacher/school if the get $900 in donations.
Great for the teacher, but not the best use of the donor's funds. I spent 2
seconds of Google time and I found the same camera almost $100 cheaper than
DonorsChoice.org quoted. I think that I would love the profit margin that
DonorsChoice has.

Thanks,

Peter

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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 2:28 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AZ Teacher asking for help - Geology

Maybe I'm just having a bad day, but the contribution mechanism kind of
annoyed me.

I think few things are more deserving of support than a teacher taking the
initiative to make science exciting and compelling to young people.   I
nearly contributed, but then ran into some deal-breakers:

While the 'DonorsChoose.org' web site does accept contributions by PayPal,
they require that the donor 'pay-by-check' . . .  The whole idea of PayPal
is to not share unnecessarily your personal info.  I would accept PayPal as
it functions on ebay. . . . payee gets my email, my address, and the money.

Secondly, once you share your email, there seems no way to 'opt-out'
of being hit up with unrelated requests.

I appreciate it when a person who shares a common interest sends me info
about a worthy cause.  Case in point: I recently contributed to the project
discussed at the URL  http://projectfreedom.bbnow.org/about.php  , but it
was because another recumbent bike enthusiast referred me to the site. 
Shared interest is the basis of 'community'.

But I don't want some anonymous ''organizing entrepreneur' who accepts an
(OPTIONAL???) donation equal to 17% of a project's costs deciding what I
need to learn about next.  And emailing me a steady stream of
'opportunities' to make 'optional' donations to his personal pocket.
I get way too many unfocused solicitations as it is.

That 17% seems a hefty cut to 'OPTIONALLY' accept for the service of sharing
info, and processing the collection of EFTs.  Just how optional is
optional?  The verbiage alone sets my teeth on edge.

OK, end of off topic rant.

Hope everyone has a nice day!

-- Mike

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Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook AZ strewn field

2012-03-13 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Jerry,

My wife and I each found our first meteorites there last year. I
think this map is all you need:
http://www.meteoritestudies.com/holstrew.jpg Good luck.

Thanks,

Peter

 

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook AZ strewn field

Hello,
At age 69, finding a meteorite in the wild is very high on my bucket list.
I understand that my best bet in AZ would be in the Holbrook strewn field.
Can anybody suggest the whereabouts of a place there where I could start
looking?  GPS coordinates would be extremely helpful but any directions
would be welcome.  
Thank you very much,

Jerry Estruth
Tucson, AZ 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Dirk,

The first NWA to fall in Norway!
http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/meteorite_basaltic%20achondrite.htm

Thanks,

Peter

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

Dear List,
  This is a fantastic meteorite!!!
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roo
f-in-norway.html

Anyone want to venture guesses?  Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Found in Antarctica?

2012-03-01 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

Here is a link to a pdf of the Adelie Land Meteorite monograph:
http://mawsonshuts.antarctica.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/53914/A.04.
01.pdf 

Peter

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Found in Antarctica?

Hi Ingo,

I had always thought it was by the Japanese in the 1960's, but I came across
this reference in the citation for asteroid 4456 Mawson:

 Named in memory of Sir Douglas Mawson (1882-1958), Australian geologist
and Antarctic explorer.

 ...

 During 1907-1909 he took part in the British Antarctic Expedition  led by
Shackleton, and from 1911 to 1914 he led the Australasian Antarctic
Expedition; on the latter was found the Adelie Land meteorite, the first
to be discovered on the Antarctic continent.

This agrees with what you just said. Thanks!

Ron

 
 Hi Ron!
 
 The first meteorite found in Antarctica was Adelie Land (Dec. 5, 1912) 
 found by Francis Howard Bickerton, who was a member of the Astralasien 
 Expedition on that time.
 
 Cheers!
 
 Ingo
 

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Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Found in Antarctica?

2012-03-01 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,
 Sorry for the bad link. This one should work:
http://mawsonshuts.antarctica.gov.au/search?mode=resultsqueries_keyword_que
ry=Adelie+Land+Meteoritex=13y=17
 
Peter

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Hi,

Here is a link to a pdf of the Adelie Land Meteorite monograph:
http://mawsonshuts.antarctica.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/53914/A.04.
01.pdf 

Peter

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Found in Antarctica?

Hi Ingo,

I had always thought it was by the Japanese in the 1960's, but I came across
this reference in the citation for asteroid 4456 Mawson:

 Named in memory of Sir Douglas Mawson (1882-1958), Australian geologist and
Antarctic explorer.

 ...

 During 1907-1909 he took part in the British Antarctic Expedition  led by
Shackleton, and from 1911 to 1914 he led the Australasian Antarctic
Expedition; on the latter was found the Adelie Land meteorite, the first
to be discovered on the Antarctic continent.

This agrees with what you just said. Thanks!

Ron

 
 Hi Ron!
 
 The first meteorite found in Antarctica was Adelie Land (Dec. 5, 1912) 
 found by Francis Howard Bickerton, who was a member of the Astralasien 
 Expedition on that time.
 
 Cheers!
 
 Ingo
 

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Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Found in Antarctica?

2012-03-01 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,
Still won't work. I guess you will have to type Adelie Land Meteorite in the
search box on the link I posted.

Peter

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Found in Antarctica?

Hi,
 Sorry for the bad link. This one should work:
http://mawsonshuts.antarctica.gov.au/search?mode=resultsqueries_keyword_que
ry=Adelie+Land+Meteoritex=13y=17
 
Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Scherff
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 5:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Found in Antarctica?

Hi,

Here is a link to a pdf of the Adelie Land Meteorite monograph:
http://mawsonshuts.antarctica.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/53914/A.04.
01.pdf 

Peter

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 3:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Found in Antarctica?

Hi Ingo,

I had always thought it was by the Japanese in the 1960's, but I came across
this reference in the citation for asteroid 4456 Mawson:

 Named in memory of Sir Douglas Mawson (1882-1958), Australian geologist and
Antarctic explorer.

 ...

 During 1907-1909 he took part in the British Antarctic Expedition  led by
Shackleton, and from 1911 to 1914 he led the Australasian Antarctic
Expedition; on the latter was found the Adelie Land meteorite, the first
to be discovered on the Antarctic continent.

This agrees with what you just said. Thanks!

Ron

 
 Hi Ron!
 
 The first meteorite found in Antarctica was Adelie Land (Dec. 5, 1912) 
 found by Francis Howard Bickerton, who was a member of the Astralasien 
 Expedition on that time.
 
 Cheers!
 
 Ingo
 

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