Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Times Magazine 20 Year Anniversary Issue

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Thanks Paul and Jim for all the great magazines and hard work!
Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Paul Harris via Meteorite-list 
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Sent: Sun, May 15, 2022 8:36 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Times Magazine 20 Year Anniversary Issue

Hello Everyone,

The May issue of Meteorite Times is now up.  It's hard to believe that 
this is our 20 year anniversary issue.  Our first issue was in April 
2002 back when Meteorite Times was monthly. We'd like to give a special 
thank you to all of the writers over the years who have contributed 
articles to Meteorite Times. And a special thank you to Martin Horejsi, 
James Tobin, John Kashuba, and Mitch Noda for their continued article 
support.

With the May issue we have a new web hosting company providing better 
performance and as our old template was not being supported anymore I 
have created a new template using Elementor with an updated look but 
same layout functionality. If anyone notices any errors or strange 
behavior please contact me off list.

https://www.meteorite-times.com/

Enjoy!

Paul and Jim

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Bonhams Natural History auction on May 17 offers 50+ lots of stellar planetary 
meteorite specimens, including a complete Canyon Diablo example with superb 
regmaglypts. Browse the auction and register to bid online.
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Re: [meteorite-list] sad news from Twink Monrad

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I am so very sorry to hear that. Steve was a wonderful and fun guy. My sincere 
condolences.
Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Monrad via Meteorite-list 
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Sent: Tue, Mar 29, 2022 8:10 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] sad news from Twink Monrad

I have some sad news to report. Steve Smith 
of Virginia passed away yesterday after a battle with cancer.He and Vickie were 
enthusiastic members of the meteorite world and were loyal and regular visitors 
to the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show.  Many of us who became friends of theirs 
will remember their humor, kindness and all around goodness.   Twink Monrad    

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Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Portales

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Hi Dennis,
 
 if you are looking for Portales Valley and  you want to contact me off list I 
know someone who has some of the most beautiful slices. I can put you in touch 
with him.
 
Sonny Clary
wahlpe...@aol.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Frank Cressy via Meteorite-list 
To: dennis beatty 
Cc: meteorite list 
Sent: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 8:48 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Portales

Hi Dennis,
I assume you are looking for Portales Valley, the H7 metallic melt breccia that 
is a witnessed fall? However, there are 4 "Portales meteorites; Portales(a), 
Portales(b), Portales(c), and Portales Valley.
Price on Portales Valley depends on whether it is all stone or shows metallic 
veining.  Not real common to find full slices now, but Meteorite Market has 
some part slices for sale at about $40/gram.
All the best,
Frank


On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:28 AM, dennis beatty via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:



I am interested in purchasing a whole slice of Portales.  Can someone direct me 
to a good source...and let me know what I might expect to pay?


Thanks!

Dennis Beatty

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Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger's Meteorite Museum Ruins

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Hi Karlis,


The owner of the Land has closed the road leading to the ruins and posted no 
trespassing. We were told that they are worried about the building collapsing 
and possibly injuring someone.


Sonny


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-Original Message-
From: Meteoriti.LV via Meteorite-list 
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Sent: Fri, Jul 21, 2017 10:02 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nininger's Meteorite Museum Ruins



Dear Friends,


Could somebody tell if that is possible and how to reach the Ruins of the old 
Nininger's Meteorite Museum? I heard that the road is closed but is there any 
way to visit a place? 


In a few weeks time we will visit US for the great Solar Eclipse and we have 
included Barringer crater in our car trip. 
I have never been there at the site so I would appreciate any advise.
Thanks!


Best Regards,
Karlis Berzins
Meteoriti.LV

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Re: [meteorite-list] Bolivia Meteorite Adventure

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Hi Greg,


Great story way to go!


Sonny



-Original Message-
From: Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list 
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Sent: Tue, Dec 13, 2016 8:51 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bolivia Meteorite Adventure

Bolivia Meteorite AdventureBy Gregory M. HupeOn November 20, 2016 a massive 
meteorite event took place over Aiquile, Bolivia at approximately 5:00 p.m. 
local time.  While still daylight, Quechua Indian eyewitnesses saw ‘corkscrew’ 
smoke trails and heard ‘whooshing’ noises followed by sonic booms and then 
stones literally falling at their feet!Michael Farmer and I went to Aiquile to 
hunt for meteorites and attempt to acquire stones from the inhabitants. Things 
didn’t quite work out that way…Welcome to Aiquile 
Bolivia.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia1.jpgPossibly
 the main mass, an approximately 35-kilogram 
impactor.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia2.jpgTown
 Square in center of 
Aiquile.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia3.jpgCharango
 guitar with caballero and bull sculpture in the town 
square.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia4.jpgIt 
would take us over two weeks after the fall to fly to Bolivia due to Mike’s 
yearly show commitment in Japan.  Just 24 hours at home after returning from 
the show, Michael flew to Florida to meet me.  On December 8th we began our 
journey to South America from Miami.  Our travels would take us by air to 
Aiquile by way of La Paz and then on to Cochabamba and then by private hire to 
Aiquile.  With no sleep for over 30 hours of travel from home to the dusty town 
near the strewnfield, we were exhausted but too excited to rest. We went right 
to work meeting with fellow meteorite hunter, Dario Ruiz, who had been there 
for two weeks.  He introduced us to individuals about hunting for meteorites or 
buying some, but our hopes were quickly dampened by the news of the town’s 
government putting up road blocks to deny access to the strewnfield.  It turns 
out that the officials were confiscating stones from the Quechua finders which 
put them in a panic and afraid to talk to outsiders.  Things quickly became 
complicated.Dario, Michael and Greg in 
Aiquile.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia5.jpgView
 looking up the Aiquile strewnfield from the Quechua 
trail.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia6.jpgCactus
 are a common beauty in the 
strewnfield.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia7.jpgWe
 realized we were not going to be able to hunt for stones ourselves without the 
threat of arrest, or far worse, physical harm from protective villagers we were 
told may use force to stop outsiders from hunting. Knowing this, we immediately 
went to ‘Plan B’ and were granted secret meetings with owners of pieces from 
the fall.  To our thrill and amazement, we were able to see several stones 
ranging from small broken fragments to large kilo-sized pieces.  Throughout the 
48-hours we were on site we were told of several large pieces included a 
50-kilo ‘Puzzle Stone’ which we believe to be just rumor as is consistent with 
most falls.Reflecting upon a fresh 
meteorite.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia8.jpg100-plus
 gram 
fragment.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia9.jpgSame
 100-gram fragment displaying 
‘Slickensides’.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia10.jpgInterior
 indicating a shocked high metal H 
Chondrite.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia11.jpgOn
 our second day we had an early start with a scheduled meeting to see some 
stones, but being on ‘Bolivia time’ we sat for several hours waiting, waiting 
and waiting some more.  To keep us from leaving and going to other contacts, 
our new friend entertained us with some guitar play dressed in his caballero 
ranch clothing made of javelina, lama and other durable animal skins.  Aiquile 
is known as the ‘Capitol of Charango’ (guitar) where the guitar is 
manufactured. It was nice to enjoy this flavor of music high in the mountain 
village.Local Quechua playing a Charango 
guitar.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia12.jpgVideo
 of the music of Bolivian 
friendship:http://www.naturesvault.net/Videos/AiquileBoliviaVideo1.mp4Newly 
fallen meteorite with Charango 
guitar.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia13.jpgNoon
 was soon upon us with nobody bearing stones for us to consider so we walked 
down the street for lunch and chose one of a few street vendors offering 
potatoes and sausage.  We ventured to the local market and town square for a 
little tourism while we were there.  The meal was very tasty and the 
sightseeing was nice but we were eager to get back to work.Quechua 

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

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Hi Doug and list,

Wow what a great meteorite hunting adventure. Thank god you had the survival 
pack of Oatmeal cream pies and strawberry treat cakes to help make it through 
the night!

Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Sat, Apr 30, 2016 12:00 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Osceola

Contributed by: Mexico Doug

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=04/30/2016
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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

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: ) 


-Original Message-
From: Linton Rohr via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: Jim Wooddell <jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net>
Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2016 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women 
Meteorite

Hi folks,

I just came across this old thread regarding the Old Woman's "potential 
sisters". I'm wondering if there's been any further developments on their 
recovery.

We stopped by the Barstow Discovery Center last week, intending to visit the 
main mass again, but had forgotten that they're closed on Mondays. Argh.

Next time for sure!

Linton


-Original Message- 
From: Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:55 PM
To: Carl Agee
Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old 
Women Meteorite

Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at.  I really appreciated the
opportunity to touch and see the
Old Woman Meteorite.
The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out
of the BLM building!
She thought I was joking around!  ;)

If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to
go get it and re-unite them.
I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds
could be raised to retrieve these.
Russia would do it, I bet!

I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make
it happen by a qualified organization

Won't believe it until I see pictures.  Hiding something like this is
nuts!  I am mean really.

Now back to watching epoxy cure!
I need to call you next week.

Jim


On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote:
> I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
> Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
> i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
> slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
> is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.
>
> Carl Agee
> *
> Carl B. Agee
> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
> MSC03 2050
> University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>
> Tel: (505) 750-7172
> Fax: (505) 277-3577
> Email: a...@unm.edu
> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> Hi Sonny,
>>
>> I thought the miners..or one of them passed?
>>
>> Let's go get it!  Did they say how big the other pieces are?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>> Hey Adam and list
>>>
>>>> Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.
>>> Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.
>>>
>>> With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third 
>>> piece
>>> has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have 
>>> tried
>>> to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
>>> would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would 
>>> be
>>> a great case to challenge in court.
>>>
>>> Sonny
>>>
>>>

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[meteorite-list] First look inside new meteorite from Crosbyton, TX fireball

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Hi List,

We just received this meteorite back from TCU. Here it is, a look inside this 
beautiful freshly fallen meteorite that Terry Scott and I recovered near 
Crosbyton, TX after the Feb. 18, 2016 fireball. The meteorite is pristine with 
a beautiful light grey matrix loaded with chondrules and metal flakes. Official 
name and classification still pending. The images are also on my Facebook page 
where they appear a little clearer.

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Crosbyton_Texas_Fireball_2016.html


Sonny
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

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Hi Rob/All

 I know Doug has been working very hard for the new find / finds! Way to go 
Doug and everyone involved in the great recovery!


Sonny


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From: Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 14, 2016 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

Hi Sonny/All,

Note the label on the picture: Osceola #8.  Doug is letting us in on a little 
secret he's
been holding onto for the last 6 weeks or so -- that he knows the pictured find 
is
#8 means that he ~also~ found #7, since previously only six finds were known. 
:-)

Like Larry and Mike's team, Doug put in a lot of days out there, and would 
probably
be there now if not for a serious injury suffered during the course of his 
efforts.
I'd wish him a speedy recovery, but given the amount of time he's already been
laid up, that ship has sailed. So instead I'll wish for Doug that each day is a 
little
bit better than the last and that a full recovery isn't too far off.  --Rob

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Behalf Of wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:25 AM
To: valpar...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; mexicod...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

Hi Doug,

Great find? How many hours for your meteorite find?

Sonny


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Sent: Wed, Apr 13, 2016 1:00 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Osceola

Contributed by: Mexico Doug

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=04/13/2016
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

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Hi Doug,

Great find? How many hours for your meteorite find?

Sonny


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Sent: Wed, Apr 13, 2016 1:00 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Osceola

Contributed by: Mexico Doug

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=04/13/2016
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Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite hunt

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Thanks for all of the nice replies. I wanted to also thank Mendy for getting an 
early start and driving out to the area and helping out. We were also joined by 
Richard Garcia 
who was only able to hunt one day. Richard drove all the way from California. 
He got to hunt one day (unfortunately the day it rained) and then had to leave 
early due to an unexpected emergency at Home. 

It was nice to see so many great meteorite hunters in one place and hear their 
wonderful stories. 

Sonny
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[meteorite-list] New Texas Meteorite from the February 2016 fireball

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Hi List,

I would like to announce the discovery of a new meteorite from the February 
2016 Texas fireball. This find was made possible by a collaboration of efforts 
from many individuals. Thanks to everyone involved. Special congratulations to 
Terry Scott. 

Sonny 


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sonny_Clary_meteorite_hunts_nevadameteorites.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Osceola/Lake City Florida

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Hi Mike and Larry,

Great report, congratulations on all the finds!

Sonny


-Original Message-
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Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2016 5:35 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Osceola/Lake City Florida

Hello List,I'm happy to announce the recovery of the January 24 event over 
northern Florida.  For the complete story, please go to 
http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/comets/osceola-meteorite-recovery/Enjoy!Sincerely,Larry
 Atkins IMCA # 1941Ebay alienrockfarm 
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[meteorite-list] Bob's new Indian Butte find

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Hi List ,

For those of you not on Facebook here is a link to Bob Grueneberg's recent 
Indian Butte find.

Sonny

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Az_Metorite_Sonny_Clary_page_4.html
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[meteorite-list] Looking for Tucson Meteorite vendor list.

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Hi All,

Looking for the meteorite vendor list for Tucson.

Thanks,
Sonny
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Re: [meteorite-list] K9 unit to search for meteorites / Brix's pups/

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Hi David and List,

What a great story. Brix is now seven years old and still loves to train on 
finding meteorites. Any dog with a high prey drive can find meteorites. I was 
reading a story about Conservation Dogs http://www.conservationdogs.com when 
the idea came up on K9's finding meteorites. These dogs can be trained to find 
almost anything. I was able to contact one of the trainers to ask for help 
training. Most of the trainers would not tell me how they were training the 
Conservation dogs. One of the trainers finally said they used the Cadaver dog 
handbook for starting the dogs on scent training. One of Brix's favorite games 
is to have me dig three different holes in my training pit. I  then place his 
toy in the hole and cover it up. While I am hiding the toy Brix is placed on 
the side of the house out of view of the sand pit. Within seconds he easily 
detects the ball. Anything is possible with these dogs. Brix is great at 
finding Chondrites. I would like to teach him how to detect iron meteorites. 

Brix has 3 beautiful Pure Bred German Shepherd puppies available for adoption. 
They are 11 weeks old and are AKC UKC registered. If anyone is interested I can 
put you in contact with the owner of the Female who has the pups. These dogs 
have potential to be excellent meteorite K9's as well as being full protection 
dogs and or service dogs. 

Sonny

nevadameteorites.com


  


-Original Message-
From: David Allepuz via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2015 8:47 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] K9 unit to search for meteorites




Hello,
Now it's public.
A K9 police unit has been specifically trained to search for meteorites as 
part of an experiment to find the limits of canine detection possibilities.

http://www.doogweb.es/2015/12/09/perros-detectores-de-meteoritos/


We have been part of these project and are amazed with the results.

Proof test have been conducted with different meteorites and climatic 
conditions: Amazing, Kaly marks also meteorites he was not trained for. 
Meteorites that we bring as our particular test.
A first field attemp in Villalbeto de la Peña  was conducted without result 
(cerfifying there is no one more? as we have visited the area dozens of 
times without success)

Now we only need a new fall.
Sorry, Bingol would not work, Kaly is trained to search Chondrites.

Great notice for Brix and Hopper: Kaly is a female!



David Allepuz
www.meteorits.cat
www.cazameteoritos.es
www.meteorite.land
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Outstanding 100 % fully crusted Creston complete individual

[wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list]

Hi List,

I just returned from hunting for the Creston meteorite. Our team spent 5 days 
(3 guys) hunting on the first trip and 3 days ( 4 guys) on the second trip . 
There was a total of
230 man hours spent in the field hunting. This was a very tough hunt. Every 
piece of land was private property and we spent an extensive amount of time 
securing permission to hunt these fields. On the first trip we recovered two 
meteorites; 102 and 82 gram pieces. Both of these pieces are spoken for. 
Another stone was acquired on our second trip. It weighs 72.6 grams and is a 
beautiful 100% fully crusted individual. It has flow lines down both sides and 
a roll over lip. It is shaped like an axe head with  fusion crusted chondrules 
peeking out from under the crust. This is truly a spectacular piece and is the 
only complete specimen for sale from this fall to date. 

To my knowledge there has been a total of 6 stones recovered from this fall 
with a TKW of 852.3 grams. This total includes the three stones mentioned 
above. This was a very tough hunt and there were many hunters out in the fields 
over the past week. Again as far as I know there was only 6 stones recovered. I 
hope to post some pictures from the hunt over the next few days. If you are 
interested in the complete individual you can see it on mine or Terry Scott's 
Facebook page or check back on my website www.nevadameteorites.com in a couple 
of days. I am going to take more photos of it tomorrow and then post them on my 
website along with some trip pictures of the team. I want to give a special 
congratulations to Terry Scott for finding these beautiful stones. His first 
find was made less than 24 hours after the initial Creston meteorite was found. 
This hunt was successful from the combined efforts of all of those involved. If 
you are interested in this stone contact off list for pricing.
  

Sonny Clary




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Re: [meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was, Re: something about Las Vegas)

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 in this current situation.  My offer 
of USchondrite type-specimen was actuallydirected to researchers outside of 
theUSA.  Again, that was stated in my article, as well.Your defense of 
USgeochemists is commendable, but unnecessary in this instance. I don't need 
toask their position on this funding matter.  It's well documented. But maybe 
weshould also ask the opinion of other researchers, maybe even outside of 
theMetSoc.  Maybe even outside of the USA.  Ask them what they think about us 
notrecording or documenting (let alone not classifying) newly found meteorites. 
Researchers like those that are studying the rate of influx and number offalls 
per unit area.  And other researchers such as those that are interested 
inknowing exactly how many small meteoroids are flying around in the vicinity 
ofour astronauts. We should ask all of them. We should ask all thestakeholders. 
 Even US taxpayers, who are stakeholders as well, because I'm surethey are 
assuming their tax dollars are being spent wisely on protecting themfrom 
meteoroids hitting them.   I'm sure all of these various people arecounting on 
us to do our job in this regard, and not to literally ignore foundmeteorites. 
I've been waiting for one of the other old-timers to make thisrealization and 
make a comment, but I'm getting more impatient as I get older.So, I'll say it 
now.  It wasn't that long ago that we, as USmeteorite-hunters, were thanking 
our lucky stars that we didn't have to dealwith all of the stifling regulations 
that our comrades in Australia and Canadawere having to put-up with.  But they 
made some crucial adjustments in theirculture and now those countries are 
experiencing a golden age inmeteorite-recovery. It's amazing how fast things 
have turned 180 degrees. Bob V. P.S. - please allow me to update this table of 
recoverydata:Stewart Valley - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 
6different classifications, only the H6 and L6 are paired.  Where's thebeef?   
Tungston Mountain - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 10are 
unpaired, the eight H4s are probably paired.  Still no justification for 
acomplaint. Lucerne Valley - over120 meteorites, CK are the majority of the 
66classifieds, but there were 5 unique classes in the first 7 finds, 9 in 12, 
10in 15. Coyote Dry lake - over 350 recorded finds, only 82 are in MBD, so 
far56 of these are classified. >8 unique classes.  No one has done a 
pairingstudy.Stump Springs  130 field-numbered finds, only 84 provisional 
numbers,only 1 classified find.  No strewn-field data is published.Yelland Dry 
lake Hundreds of fragments, and only one classification.  Worlds only one 
meteoritedry lake!  Was there any strewn-field data recorded?There still is no 
estimateof how many original masses formed all of these clusters of fragments, 
or theirlocations.   This is one big fuster cluck. 
On Tue, 9/15/15, wahlperry---via 
Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: Subject: 
Re:[meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind. 
To:raremeteori...@centurylink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Date:Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 1:53 PM  Hi Bob, Adam and List,  >This is 
aconcern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to >write on 
thissubject in three separate articles, which essentially said, >"Hey, here 
aresome US chondrites that need to be classified."  >Still haven't received 
anyoffers deleted  Stewart Valley  TBR plus finds finds, TungstonMountain  TBR 
meteorites/ fragments Lucerne Valley  124 meteorites CoyoteDry lake 341 
meteorites Stump Springs  130 plus meteorites Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of 
fragments   more deletions

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Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind.

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Hi Bob, Adam and List,

>This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to
>write on this subject in three 
>separate articles, which essentially said,
>"Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified." 
>Still haven't
>received any offers

Do you think that the scientists that are classifying these stones have been 
overwhelmed by the high number of stones coming from the same recovery area?  
Even when meteorites are found within a known area the finders often feel that 
they are different and are eager to have them classified. Many of the stones 
are obviously paired and it may not make financial sense for the scientists to 
spend time and resources on each individual stone. I do realize that their have 
been stones found that are uniquely different than others in the same dense 
collection area. I believe those should be classified without a doubt. What I 
am trying to decide at what point does classifying each tiny fragment become 
excessive? Maybe we should ask the Scientists that do the classifications what 
their opinion is.

Stewart Valley  120 plus finds finds,
Tungston Mountain  600 meteorites/ fragments
Lucerne Valley  124 meteorites
Yelland Dry lake  Hundreds of fragments 
Coyote Dry lake 341 meteorites
Stump Springs  130 plus meteorites

 
>I gave up on a classification that was submitted in 2005.  It was a fresh 
>type
>3 oriented chondrite that my wife, Zann found.  It was the very first

>meteorite she ever recovered and it was a cold find.  It would have been

>serial number one but I think the unsavory practice of embargoing dry lake

>bed finds interfered with the classification data being published in the

>Bulletin.

>I no longer submit U.S. finds for classification.  I prefer to
>keep 
>personally found meteorites whole and intact.  Why cut a personal find
>when 
>the odds of it being published are slim, even with the data submitted by
>a 
>Nom Com recognized scientist?  Mine stay in a box so that I can enjoy the

>memories of the hunt at a later date.


>Adam

Hi Adam, I don't know your situation on the issue of embargoing dry lake beds 
or collection areas. Regarding Zann's find were there any previous finds made 
at that lake bed? If so, I feel the original finder should get the credit and 
the first number. The subsequent finds should be issued numbers in order of 
their find date. The only case that a find should get a new number is if it was 
a new area with no previous meteorite finds. Many of the lake beds have been 
hunted for years with great success. There were hundreds of field hours put in, 
 recording of data, etc.  I had a similar issue when a meteorite was found in 
an area that I had been working. I had hundreds of hours involved, stones 
classified,  provisional numbers, etc. Another stone was found by a hunter and 
he attempted to have his find assigned #1. Both the finder and the scientist 
doing his classification knew my history with this area and the many finds 
made. They still attempted to get the number changed. When they were
  unsuccessful they tried to change the name of that find. It was clearly 
paired with finds from the area. It is amazing that someone would attempt this. 


Sonny

 




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Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 9:42 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind.


I gave up on a classification that was submitted in 2005.  It was a fresh type3 
oriented chondrite that my wife, Zann found.  It was the very firstmeteorite 
she ever recovered and it was a cold find.  It would have beenserial number one 
but I think the unsavory practice of embargoing dry lakebed finds interfered 
with the classification data being published in theBulletin.I no longer submit 
U.S. finds for classification.  I prefer tokeep personally found meteorites 
whole and intact.  Why cut a personal findwhen the odds of it being published 
are slim, even with the data submitted bya Nom Com recognized scientist?  Mine 
stay in a box so that I can enjoy thememories of the hunt at a later 
date.Adam- Original Message- From: "Robert Verish via 
Meteorite-list"To: 
;; "Larry Atkins" 
Cc:Sent: Tuesday, 
September 15, 2015 9:15AMSubject: 
 Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiewafind.No 
Larry,There actually is a problem.John's "opinion" is acommon misconception 
that I even held until I personally learned of thisrecent trend.This is a 
concern that others have shared with me, and hasprompted me to write on this 
subject in threeseparate articles, whichessentially said, "Hey, here are some 
US chondrites that need to beclassified."Still haven't received any offers.My 
request 

Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.

[wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list]

Hi Carl,

What ever happened with your Cat Mountain meteorite?  Here Kitty Kitty!

Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list 
To: bigjohnshea ; Larry Atkins ; 
Robert Verish 
Cc: Robert Verish via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.


List, A word of warning; if you are in the Vegas area DO NOT let it leave 
yourhands or chances are you will never see it again anyway . 
Justsayin!Carl--Love & Life Robert Verish via 
Meteorite-list wrote: > No Larry, > There 
actually is aproblem. > John's "opinion" is a common misconception that I even 
held until Ipersonally learned of this recent trend. > This is a concern that 
others haveshared with me, and has prompted me to write on this subject in 
three >separate articles, which essentially said, "Hey, here are some US 
chondritesthat need to be classified." > Still haven't received any offers.  > 
> Myrequest still stands. > I would like to hear from people with recent 
experiencein this area that can point me in the direction of > a cheap 
classifier thatstill accepts small, ordinary chondrites.  > I suspect when I 
find one it willbe outside the US. > > Bob V.> 
>> On Tue, 9/15/15, Larry Atkins 
viaMeteorite-list  wrote:> >  Subject: 
Re:[meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.>  
To:bigjohns...@mail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>  
Cc:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>  Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 
5:28AM>  >  Hi John, List,>  >  You may be right about not having a 
problemgetting a US chondrite classified, however, >  if it was found in the 
Mojavedesert it is likely to get a number instead of a name.>  Unfortunately, 
Nom Comwill likely lump it in with the nearest DCA, >  >  I'm wondering how 
muchlonger it will be before the entire Mojave desert is one big>  DCA like 
NWA?> >  >  >  Sincerely,>  Larry Atkins>   >  IMCA # 1941> Ebay alienrockfarm> 
  >  >  >  -Original>  Message->  From:Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>  To:mstreman53 >  
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List>  Sent: Tue, 
Sep 15, 2015 5:07 am> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert 
needed to rewiew afind.>  >  >  I'd love to see a photo also, but I live in 
Philadelphia so Iwon't be>  seeingthis in person. :-) That aside,I'm assuming 
from>  your postthat this is a"chondrite" native to the>  USA, and not just 
another NWA. I haveabout 25>  NWA'sundergoing classification now, and I have 
more>  I'd like toget classified but itis indeed hard to find>  a lab that will 
work on NWAs thatlook like obvious OCs. I>  think that is a mistake on their 
part, because thereare so>  many uniquethings to be found in meteorites.  >  In 
my opinion, manylabs would thinkdifferently about a>  "native" US chondrite, 
than an NWAchondrite.  I>  do notthink you will have trouble finding a home for 
it if> it is a USA find.  Cheers,John > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 
5:47PMFrom: "MEM viaMeteorite-list"> To: 
"Meteorite>  MailingList"Subject: 
[meteorite-list]>  Local toLasVegas expert needed to rewiew a find.I am in>  
contact with a Las Vegasresidentwho has, by all appearances>  fair-sized, fresh 
chondrite. If you arewillingand able to>  inspect in person and get her stone 
into the system,> pleasesend me your contact information for forwarding. Pics> 
onrequest.Regards,Elton> __> >Visit 
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Re: [meteorite-list] September Issue of Meteorite Times now up

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Hi Paul and Jim,

Thanks for another great issue of Meteorite Times.

Sonny


-Original Message-
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Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 6:25 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] September Issue of Meteorite Times now up


Hello Everyone,The September issue of Meteorite Times is now up.Our 
IMCAInsights article this month is by Ellen Crapster-Pregont, a PhD candidate 
atColumbia University in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences. 
Shereceived the 2015 Brian Mason Travel Award supported by the 
InternationalMeteorite Collectors Association for the 78th Annual Meteoritical 
SocietyMeeting.Browser view -> 
http://www.meteorite-times.com/2015/09/Magazineview 
->http://issuu.com/meteorite-times/docs/meteorite-times_2015_9Enjoy!PaulandJimhttp://www.meteorite-times.com/__Visitour
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2015 article and photos

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WOW what great pictures.It looks like a lot of fun and good eating!

Sonny


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2015 article and photos


Martin,Super, super--thanks.John- Original Message -From: "Martin Goff 
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 Wednesday, September 02, 2015 4:39PMSubject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2015 
article and photosHiall,Just uploaded write up and photos from the Ensisheim 
show 2015 to mywebsite.Please take a look and hopefully it will evoke some good 
memoriesorif you have not yet been entice you to come along 
nextyear(http://msg-meteorites.co.uk/meteorite-adventures/the-ensisheim-meteorite-show-2015/)Enjoy:-)CheersMartin--
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Thinnest Slices Ever Produced - AD

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Hey Greg,

Great web site. It is always nice to look at all the meteorite pictures!

Sonny


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Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2015 12:34 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Thinnest Slices Ever Produced - AD


Dear List Members,I am happy to announce that I am now offering:'TheThinnest 
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have slices been cut and polished to just 1mm, thismeans the 
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Many have asked, What lunar meteorite could possibly bebetter than NWA 
5000?... Simple, ultra-thin polished slices of NWA 5000! Ihave absorbed the 
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[meteorite-list] Retractable meteorite cane found while hunting for meteorites.

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Hi All, 

I have been out exploring areas in Nevada and Utah for meteorites and photo 
opportunities. It is amazing how many unique treasures you are able to find. 
Not to mention
the wildlife and weather events. I hope to post a few pictures later. I did 
find a retractable meteorite cane on a lake bed. Not the treasure I was hoping 
for! It looks like it has been lying on the lake bed surface for a year or two 
but still in great shape. Email off list if you think this is yours and want it 
back.

Sonny 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Retractable meteorite cane found while hunting formeteorites.

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Hi Art and List,

That is so true. I really enjoy spending my time exploring the deserts. I can't 
wait to see what the forecasted El Nino rains will uncover in the desert 
Southwest. I found some sea shells out in the middle of the sand dunes (of all 
places). I assume they were transported there. Or maybe even traded by the 
Native Americans? 

Speaking of Native Americans,I had the privilege to be invited to a ceremonial 
dance in Arizona on a large Reservation. It was  great to experience their 
culture and to witness their dances. What an awesome experience. I was even 
given a handmade basket which is used in their traditional dances by one of the 
tribal members. The whole experience was surreal and I will cherish the 
memories forever. 

Sonny

Greg, Sonny, List
I think the next best thing to the feeling that you'rewalking in a remote area 
where no one has been, is that you're walking in aremote area where a compadre 
has been


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Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2015 10:15 am
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Retractable meteorite cane found while hunting 
formeteorites.


Greg, Sonny, List;I think the next best thing to the feeling that you'rewalking 
in a remote area where no one has been, is that you're walking in aremote area 
where a compadre has been!-Art-OriginalMessage-From: 
Meteorite-list[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
Greg Hupe viaMeteorite-listSent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:01 AMTo: 
wahlpe...@aol.com;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: 
[meteorite-list] Retractablemeteorite cane found while hunting 
formeteorites.That's cool, Sonny.InFebruary I found a SOG knife on a dry lake 
bed in Nevada while 'finding'meteorites and mentioned I found a knife. A 
friend asked if it was a, GraySOG knife found on Dry Lake  Sure 
enough it was his that he lost twoyears prior and that it was a special gift 
from his son. I was happy to returnit back to him after it had a short vaca in 
Florida. Needless to say Jim W.was absolutely thrilled to have it back! 
:)BestRegards,GregGreg Hu
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 wahlperry--- via Meteorite-listSent: Friday, August 14,2015 11:34 AMTo: 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject:[meteorite-list] Retractable 
meteorite cane found while huntingformeteorites.Hi All,I have been out 
exploring areas in Nevada and Utahfor meteorites and photo opportunities. It is 
amazing how many unique treasuresyou are able to find. Not to mentionthe 
wildlife and weather events. I hopeto post a few pictures later. I did find a 
retractable meteorite cane on a lakebed. Not the treasure I was hoping for! It 
looks like it has been lying on thelake bed surface for a year or two bu
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Re: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15

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Hi Adam and List,

Check out this rock art that we found while hiking in a remote area. 
The image seems to resemble the one in your picture. I wonder if they 
could be related.


Sonny

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Interesting about the focus being put onto Native American cultures and 
the importance they place on meteorites.  I am fortunate that my wife, 
who is 50% Cherokee Native American, shares similar interests to this 
day.  She has never once complained about my fascination and spending 
on artifacts, meteorites and other collectables.  She recently joked 
about collecting land.  We will need it for the rock garden she has put 
together while spending a great deal of time with the new and improved 
Team LunarRock in the field.Below is an image of my wife admiring a 
famous and controversial 800 pound artifact that we purchased from the 
original finders and are storing among other collectables.  Some of you 
may recognize this artifact from a documentary show dedicated a 
complete episode to the piece.  I do not agree with the show host's 
interpretations, felt the urge to rescue it from his laboratory 
(studio) and purchased out from underneath them.  Many of these shows 
have no respect for such things and are more concerned with shamelessly 
promoting themselves.  I am onto a meteorite that weighs several times 
the amount of this artifact, is located on private property which is 
for sale and surrounded by lithic scatter meaning early man was drawn 
to it. It will definitely be a pallet buster like this piece!Link to an 
image of my wonderful wife and a recent 
acquisition:http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/ZannWithBullArtifact.jpgHapp
y Hunting,Adam Original Message - From: Shawn Alan via 
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17, 2015 3:02 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15 
Hello Listers Enjoy Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html Website 
http://meteoritefalls.com What's Happening; 2-18-15 Cottonwood 
Meteorite Added to Exhibit March 1-Aug. 31 The Verde Valley 
Archaeology Center located at 385 S. Main Street in Camp Verde will 
add the Cottonwood Meteorite to an exhibit running from March 1 to 
Aug. 31. The loan of these meteorites from the Arizona State 
University Center for Meteorite Studies was arranged with the 
cooperation of Dr. Lawrence Garvie, Research Professor at the ASU 
School of Earth  Space Exploration. The Center will be hosting Dr. 
Garvie for a free talk on meteorites on March 3, at 7 p.m., in the 
Phillip England Center for the Performing Arts, 210 Camp Lincoln Road 
in Camp Verde. The Center will also give monthly talks on the 
importance and uses of meteorites among ancient Native American 
cultures during the span of the exhibit. Visit 
verdevalleyarchaeology.org or call (928) 567-0066 for more 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

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Hi Twink and List,

What a nice find! You do not see to many Franconia meteorites that size 
any more. I think it might be tough for anyone to find that large of a 
meteorite in the Franconia strewn field today.


Sonny



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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: FranconiaContributed by: Twink 
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[meteorite-list] Email for Rodrigo Martinez

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Hi

Looking to contact Rodrigo Martinez, If anyone has his email could you 
email me off list.


Thanks,
Sonny

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Re: [meteorite-list] November Issue of Meteorite Times Now Up

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Hey Paul and Jim,

Thanks for another great issue of Meteorite Times!

Sonny


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Hello Everyone,The November issue of Meteorite Times is now up. If 
anyone would like to be featured as one of our Meteorite People or 
would like to freshen up their old interview please reply off list.As 
always, a huge Thank You to all of our 
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Re: [meteorite-list] the stone of the dream better pics

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Hey Habibi,

Could you tell us the story how they were found and how far from the 
strewnfield. What great finds!


Sonny




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Subject: [meteorite-list] the stone of the dream  better pics


good morning;i just got the time  to get a look at my stones and to 
take better pics,this is  realy the kind of stones that wake me up 
early to open my office and to just look at them.  do i addict to 
meteorite; yes i m a big addict to meteorite and happy to 
be;https://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/azizh
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[meteorite-list] Arizona fireball hunt

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Hi List,

I just returned from a meteorite hunt in Arizona. I had a great time 
exploring some new areas in Arizona that I have never had a chance to 
visit before. I met several people who witnessed the recent fireball. 
One described the sound overhead as a truck backfiring. Another said he 
heard the explosion and felt the ground shake. Although I did not find 
any meteorites on this trip I still had a wonderful time taking 
photographs of the area. I always say even if you don't find a 
meteorite that the people you meet and the adventures along the way are 
as rewarding as finding a meteorite. Here is a link to some pictures 
that I took at Wupatki National Park of some ruins in the area. I was 
also able to visit 5 newly discovered ruins but was not able to 
photograph them. This is a beautiful area of the Southwest and I felt 
privileged to spend time there.


Sonny



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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???

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Hey Adam, Jim and List,

Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just need to go out 
and do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds over the last 
month in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian Butte 
meteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked about 
meteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting for 
meteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the Las 
Vegas BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have had no problem. I did 
contact the State of Arizona about hunting on State Land and they 
informed me that meteorite hunting on state land is not allowed. So far 
all of my experiences with the BLM and meteorite hunting has been 
positive. I can hopefully find some more Easter Eggs this weekend! :  )


Sonny


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The BLM adopted the UNESCO rules designed to protect cultural 
properties and turned them into laws.  These rules have been twisted 
into law by government servants overstepping their authority with no 
debate or intelligent input whatsoever.   I talked at great length over 
10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which sounded the alarm bells 
to anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened their position with 
the 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will never be issued 
based on television shows, falsely perceiving that meteorites are lying 
around like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many people 
have the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to the 
miners that lost the Old Woman meteorite.   Our group, consisting of 
seven people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles California 
office that meteorites are not to be resold and that they monitor eBay 
and other outlets.  Four prominent meteorite collector/dealers and a 
scientist were on this trip.   I was personally threatened, as were 
other team members, by them and will leave it at that.  Others on this 
list have been warned as well.  I will leave it up to other hunters to 
step forward with their unsavory experiences with the BLM if they feel 
so inclined.It is best to search on private property with written 
permission if want to resell your finds.  There has been  a lot of 
press about artifact hunters having their entire collections 
confiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their finds were 
made on private land.  Even then, you are not allowed to dig on private 
property for them.  They have to be surface finds. Remember, the laws 
written for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites even though 
meteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines which were 
adopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the hunting you 
have engaged in over the years that you have not been personally 
involved with the BLM in the field.  Sometimes you run into a 
reasonable agent, but more than likely, you will run into one looking 
exert their authority.Adam- Original Message - From: Jim 
Wooddell via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comTo: 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06 
AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? 
Hi Adam and all, Just for clarification on so called BLM Rules. The 
BLM put out a paper a while back the stirred up a ruckus.  The paper  
was a GUIDELINE for area supervisors to implement or not.  To be 
clear, they are not rules.  And, the BLM has  failed to issues claimed 
permits for commercial ventures when ask. If you can show me where 
these guidelines have become rules and have  actually been 
implemented, I'd like to see it. Jim On 5/20/2014 4:25 PM, 
Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote: Hi Jim and All, Unless 
they predate 1972, meteorites found on public land cannot be used  
for commercial purposes according to the BLM interpretations rendering 
 them without commercial value.  This is even before the new laws 
 limited meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds a year or less without a 
 commercial permit.  The interesting thing is not a single commercial 
 permit has ever been issued despite being applied for. Sorry for 
the bad news, That is why it so important to treat private land 
owners with the utmost  respect in order to gain access to 
unrestricted search areas. Adam --  Jim Wooddell 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

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Hey Adam and list

Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. 

Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.

With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third 
piece has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I 
have tried to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that 
the meteorite would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it 
alone. This would be a great case to challenge in court.


Sonny






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Sonny, That is great news.  I am not saying that every experience with 
the BLM has been a negative one for me.   I spent hours on the phone 
with three different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and 
got variable answers.  I was even told it was illegal to bring devices 
into an area that also contains heritage items or artifacts.  This 
included a magnet on a stick.   I did manage to get a permit to enter 
Ivanpah after one of my friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is 
that I do not want to see anybody hassled for selling meteorites found 
on public land.  The only consistent answer I ever got was that 
meteorites found on public land are not to be used for commercial 
purposes.Sell at your own risk.  For me, the thrill is finding 
them,Adam- Original Message - From: wahlpe...@aol.comTo: 
raremeteori...@centurylink.net; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49 
AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake 
Finds???Hey Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter 
Eggs you just need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to 
recover 2.5 pounds over the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I 
was hunting the Indian Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM 
Rangers. We talked aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no 
problem with me hunting formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have 
also talked with the LasVegas BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have 
had no problem. I didcontact the State of Arizona about hunting on 
State Land and theyinformed me that meteorite hunting on state land is 
not allowed. So farall of my experiences with the BLM and meteorite 
hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find some more Easter Eggs 
this weekend! :  )Sonny-Original Message- From: Raremeteorites 
via Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comTo: 
meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wed, May 21, 
2014 9:08 amSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake 
Finds???The BLM adopted the UNESCO rules designed to protect 
culturalproperties and turned them into laws.  These rules have been 
twistedinto law by government servants overstepping their authority 
with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever.   I talked at great 
length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which sounded the 
alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened their 
position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will never 
be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that meteorites 
are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many 
peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to 
theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.   Our group, consisting 
ofseven people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles 
Californiaoffice that meteorites are not to be resold and that they 
monitor eBayand other outlets.  Four prominent meteorite 
collector/dealers and ascientist were on this trip.   I was personally 
threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will leave it at 
that.  Others on thislist have been warned as well.  I will leave it up 
to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory experiences with 
the BLM if they feelso inclined.It is best to search on private 
property with writtenpermission if want to resell your finds.  There 
has been  a lot ofpress about artifact hunters having their entire 
collectionsconfiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their 
finds weremade on private land.  Even then, you are not allowed to dig 
on privateproperty for them.  They have to be surface finds. Remember, 
the lawswritten for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites 
even thoughmeteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines 
which wereadopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the 
hunting youhave engaged in over the years that you have not been 
personallyinvolved with the BLM in the field.  Sometimes you run into 
areasonable agent, but more than likely, you will run into one 
lookingexert their authority.Adam- Original Message - From: 
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Re: [meteorite-list] More Meteorite TV photos - Featuring a drone!

[wahlperry]

Hey Ruben,

Thanks for the pictures! I can't wait to see the TV show.

Sonny


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Subject: [meteorite-list] More Meteorite TV photos - Featuring a drone!


Hi all,Here's another day of filming. Yes a drone was quite over the 
top butit was interesting to see how technology is affecting 
everything, evenfilming the etching process!BTW - There are no guns in 
this segment.  : )see photos herehttp://www.mrmeteorite.com/-- Rock 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold's Meteorite Store in Arkansas

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Hey Ruben

Thanks for the great pictures. I will have to make this a vacation stop 
this summer what a cool town.


Sonny


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Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold's Meteorite Store in Arkansas


Hi all,I just returned from Arkansas where I met up with Steve Arnold 
andpurchased a large Brenham pallasite meteorite. While there I snapped 
afew photos of Steves meteorite store. Picking up where Nininger 
leftoff Steve has quite an impressive set up with lots of 
interestingmeteorites.Take a 
look.http://www.mrmeteorite.com/86lbbrenhampallasite.htm-- Rock 
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[meteorite-list] Off Topic: Bundy Ranch Photographs

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Hi List,

Some of you may have heard about the showdown on the Range here in 
Nevada. Here are a couple of  pictures from the protest at the Bundy 
Ranch in April of 2014. Regardless of which side you stand on these 
pictures are definitely worth taking a look at. Truly still the Wild 
West out here.


Sonny

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[meteorite-list] The Ultimate meteorite hunting tool!

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Hi List,

Tired of getting sunburned and getting dust in your eyes on those 
meteorite hunting trips?  Behold this new meteorite hunting tool! Could 
this be the future of meteorite hunting? For those of you that have 
done it, just think you can throw away that maintenance/service man 
shirt that you used to wear to check the rooftops on previous suburban 
meteorite falls. You will probably still need the ladder though! Here 
is the link. I will let you know how the test flight goes : )


Sonny

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[meteorite-list] New 30g Indian Butte meteorite find.

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Hi List,

Here is a link to some new pictures of recent Indian Butte finds that I 
added to my website. One was found by Rob Matson and the other by Rob 
Reisener and Bob Grueneberg.


 
http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Az_Metorite_Sonny_Clary_page_4.html



I have added pictures of another find that I am wondering about. It is 
a possible achondrite. I will have to send it to the experts to have it 
checked out.


Sonny

Here is the link.

 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New 30g Indian Butte meteorite find.

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Hey Mike,


So, that would make it a 3 Bob meteorite?


How about the 3 Bob's kicked Butte!  : )

Sonny


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Hi Sonny,So, that would make it a 3 Bob meteorite?
MichaelOn 3/30/14 10:05 AM, Met. Sonny Clary  Brix 
wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List,  Here is a link to some new 
pictures of recent Indian Butte finds that I added to my website. One 
was found by Rob Matson and the other by Rob Reisener and Bob 
Grueneberg. 
http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Az_Metorite_Sonny_Clary_p 
age_4.html   I have added pictures of another find that I am 
wondering about. It is a possible achondrite. I will have to send it 
to the experts to have it checked out.  Sonny  Here is the link. 

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[meteorite-list] New meteorite discovery 2.4lbs / New photography page in the works

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Hi List,

I have uploaded a couple of pictures of a new meteorite find. The 
pieces were found over a 40' by 75' area. It looks like the meteorite 
possibly broke into hundreds of pieces upon hitting the desert surface. 
I am also guessing that the endless freeze and thaw cycles over the 
last hundred years helped with the fracturing process. The TKW of the 
new find 2.4 lbs. The meteorite appears to be an OC. Here is a link to 
the new find.


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html

I have started a new photography page. I have had the opportunity to 
visit several unique locations during my travels and decided to capture 
them in photos. One of these locations was the Old Needles Theater. I 
contacted the caretaker and was able to get inside and take some 
pictures. As I was walking around the theater I heard footsteps and 
what sounded like people scurrying out of the building on the opposite 
end.


For those interested in Nevada history I have also included some 
pictures taken at an old ghost town/silver and copper mine. I will be 
adding more pictures from this sight at a later date.


This just goes to show that you can come across some amazing places 
when you head out to search for meteorites.


http://sonnyclaryphotography.smugmug.com/Photos/

Sonny
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[meteorite-list] Indian Butte meteorite # 034 Congrats to Jim Shorten!

[wahlperry]

Hi List ,

I have just updated my web page with # 034 Indian Butte 23.18g. 
Congratulations to Jim Shorten on the great find. If anyone else wants 
to add a picture of their Indian Butte find please contact me off List.


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Az_Metorite_Sonny_Clary_page_4.html 




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Re: [meteorite-list] Grand Opening of UCLA Meteorite Gallery

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Hi Alan and list

The UCLA Meteorite Gallery's grand opening will be held at 4 p.m. on 
Jan. 10 and is invitation-only. The event will honor Arlene and Ted 
Schlazer, who donated more than 60 exhibit-worthy meteorites to UCLA, 
as well as a bequest for an endowed chair (the first in the UCLA 
Department of Earth, Planetary and Space Sciences) in cosmo-chemistry 
and meteorite research. UCLA Chancellor Gene Block is scheduled to 
speak at the opening.


Congratulations to Arlene and Ted for the great donation to UCLA , way 
to go!


Sonny


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Sent: Thu, Jan 9, 2014 9:47 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grand Opening of UCLA Meteorite Gallery


I would like everyone to know that tomorrow afternoon, Friday Jan. 10, 
is the formal grand opening of the UCLA Meteorite Gallery, located on 
the third floor of the Geology Building on the UCLA Campus.  The Museum 
will be open weekdays from 9:00 A.M to 4:00 P.M. and the occasional 
weekend afternoon. (Hours will be posted on our website:  
www.meteorites.ucla.edu  )  The gallery is free to the public.  I 
invite any meteorite enthusiasts visiting Southern California to come 
by sometime for a visit.The press release is appended below.AlanSpace 
rocks hit UCLA: California's largest meteorite museum opens on 
campus(Note to editors and reporters: To attend the invitation-only 
grand opening of the UCLA Meteorite Gallery on Friday, Jan. 10, at 4 
p.m., please contact Stuart Wolpert at swolp...@support.ucla.edu or 
310-206-0511.)California's largest collection of meteorites, and the 
fifth-largest collection in the nation, is on display in the new UCLA 
Meteorite Gallery, which is free to the public. The museum, located in 
UCLA's Geology Building (Room 3697) is open weekdays from 9 a.m. to 4 
p.m. and on some weekend afternoons; please visit the gallery's 
website, www.meteorites.ucla.edu, for details.A centerpiece of the 
museum is a 357-pound iron chunk of an asteroid that crashed into 
Arizona some 50,000 years ago, creating a mile-wide crater just east of 
Flagstaff. Visitors are allowed to touch the venerable object, which 
like most other meteorites and like the Earth itself is 4.5 billion 
years old, said John Wasson, the gallery's curator and a UCLA professor 
of geochemistry and chemistry.Meteorites are rocks ejected from 
asteroids, comets, planets or the moon that have traveled through 
interplanetary space and landed on the Earth's surface. The vast 
majority come from asteroids.Our goal is to make this gallery the 
world's best scientifically oriented meteorite museum, Wasson said. 
Our collection is by far the largest in California and is a gift to 
the people of Southern California. The opportunity to learn in 
scientific detail about meteorites has not been available in California 
before.The collection houses specimens of nearly 1,500 meteorites that 
illustrate the scientific processes that were active in the early solar 
system. About 100 of these - representing a wide variety of meteorite 
types - are currently on display.These include chondrites, which 
contain large numbers of tiny rocky spherules known as chondrules. 
The origin of chondrules remains very much a mystery, Wasson said. It 
appears they were created from clumps of dust in the solar nebula - the 
gas and dust cloud that existed before planets and asteroids formed - 
and were zapped in a way that is still unknown. The gallery's images 
of primitive chondritic meteorites taken with a scanning electron 
microscope offer detailed views of chondrules.The museum also features 
backlit samples of a class of beautiful meteorites called pallasites, 
which contain silicate minerals mixed with metal. These specimens 
formed at the interface between the metallic core and the silicate 
mantle of an asteroid, Wasson said.We have no sample of the core of 
any of the planets or even a major moon, but many of the iron 
meteorites are samples of an asteroid's core, and they differ from one 
another, Wasson said.Wasson, a member of UCLA's faculty since 1964, 
has devoted his scientific career to studying meteorites.Meteorites 
are fragments that were, in part, the building blocks of the planets, 
he said. Many of these are the first rocks that formed anywhere in the 
solar system. They have information about the earliest history of the 
solar system that we cannot learn from the Earth itself.One of the 
gallery's exhibits explains how to correctly identify meteorites. 
Detailed explanations of the samples are provided in display cases and 
brochures.Alan Rubin, the associate curator of the gallery and a 
researcher in UCLA's Department of Earth, Planetary and Space Sciences, 
is an expert in identifying meteorites. He receives samples every few 
days from people who believe they have found meteorites.They almost 
never are real meteorites, he said, adding that less than 1 percent 
actually 

[meteorite-list] Recent meteorite find

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

Here is a link to one of my recent meteorite hunting trips. The 
meteorite appears to be an ordinary chondrite and is 15 grams.


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sonny_Clary_Nevada_2013_meteorite_finds.html

Sonny
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[meteorite-list] Sale Ad Moapa Valley fragments 1.5g

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I have some Moapa Valley CM1 fragments for sale. As you may know Moapa 
Valley is the only CM1 found in the United States.  As far as I know it 
is the only CM1 available for sale to the public.


Thanks,
Sonny







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[meteorite-list] Off Topic Meteorite Zombies

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Hi List,

Last year I ran into a meteorite zombie in Novato playing a guitar. 
This year I spotted some zombies in Vegas. I was able to get a few 
pictures before they moved on.


Happy Halloween!

Sonny

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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite

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Hi All,

This looks like something Proud Tom would have done! I agree with Jason 
that the pottery looks mismatched. It is hard to tell but I would bet 
the stone is not even a meteorite. I doubt that many Archeologists 
would glue a pot together this way. I was not able to pull up any 
history online (from a couple reliable sources) on his name either. It 
seems if he lives in Phoenix that he would be well aware of ASU and 
UofA as sources of information.


Sonny




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From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com
To: Anne Black impact...@aol.com
Cc: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 12:24 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite


Hello Roman, All,I'm no expert, but...The vertical view of the vessel 
is triangular because the potteryfragments of the lower portion came 
from a much larger vessel --probably a bowl or two-handled vessel of 
some sort, given its apparentdiameter and the thickness of some of the 
fragments.  The glazed anddelicately-formed lip and neck appear to be 
from a completelydifferent vase -- a nice one, at that.  The handle is 
a bit odd, notsure about it.The first question that came to mind after 
seeing the images is Whywould anyone glue pieces of a large pot 
together in the form of a muchsmaller one?Upon closer inspection, I 
began to wonder why an archaeologist wouldglue mismatched pieces of 
glass or glazed pottery, painted and scoredterracotta, and other 
ceramics of greatly differing thicknessestogether into a triangular 
shape that (crudely) mimics an amphora'sshape...albeit with one 
handle.I'm surprised that anyone carbon-dated the site, given that 
thepottery and details of other artifacts are often deemed suitable 
fordating purposes.I had too many questions after reading the provided 
description.Sure, pass the fellow along to an expert...JasonOn Thu, Sep 
12, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: Hello 
Roman, It is really quite simple. Since he is in Phoenix AZ, he 
should go straight to Arizona State University (ASU) they have an 
archaeology department and some of the top meteorite experts. Perfect 
place to get answers to all his questions. Anne M. Black 
www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- 
From: Roman Jirasek r...@meteoritelabels.com To: meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:00 pm 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite I had an 
archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also if I 
could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this 
year. I received permission to send this question to my fellow 
colleagues which may have more insight into this topic. Read below, 
or click on link to see his photos... 
http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm Cheers, Roman Jirasek 
www.meteoritelabels.com Copied email follows I am an 
Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private property 
in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase, and 
was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, 
220 BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item. I do not 
know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece.  Since the 
meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in 
high regards, and more than likely to remember a battle. The only 
battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle; was 
with ancient Turkey and the Spartans. It actually stopped the battle 
for two days, thinking it was a sign from the gods. Many of the 
Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of victory from 
the God of Mars. I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you 
tell me? Of any meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know 
that was the earliest date, since the meteorites was buried with the 
hoplite soldier.  We assume the meteorite obviously fell before that 
date. This would help us, with dating the find. Additionally  what 
would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The meteorite? 
Thank you Douglas Roth. Phoenix, Arizona. Sparta archaeology. 
Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics. I don't have any dir 
links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas Rothman Scottsdale, 
or ancient history on face book for archeology travel and tours. 
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[meteorite-list] Indian Butte, AZ Meteorite pictures

[wahlperry]

Hi list,

In order to better document the Indian Butte strewn field I be adding  
photos of the finds on my web page with find numbers. Anyone with 
pictures of finds made at Indian Butte contact me off list.

You could also submit the photos to the Meteoritical bulletin database.

Thanks,
Sonny


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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk with Natural Hole...worth a look! / More Meteorites With Hole

[wahlperry]

Hi Ruben and List ,

What a great picture, I will take it!  Here is a picture of a Canyon 
Diablo with a hole. Any other list members have interesting meteorites 
with holes that they want to share?


Sonny

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Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:40 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk with Natural Hole...worth a look!


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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now, posted! Another spectacular video.

[wahlperry]

Hi Marko and list
 I would trust Rob Matson on the video. I would say It is 100% fake. : )

Sonny 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Marco Langbroek marco.langbr...@online.nl wrote:

 
 Count Deiro wrote:
 
 As they saywith all due respectto those of you with vastly more
 experience than I in the subjectthese old eyes and the brain they are
 attached to have digested the visual data, then thought out the technical
 complexities involved in producing a series of multiple fakes while
 estimating the cost in time and money that would be involved and finally,
 pondered why anyone would spend that time and treasureand for what
 possible purpose. Conclusion? The San Luis Potosi bolide and its history so
 stunningly recorded are the real deal.
 
 I humbly disagree.
 
 There are multiple reasons why people would have faked this.
 
 Over the past few years we have seen multitudes of fake UFO video's, fake 
 videos of strange archaeological finds (e.g. giants a few years ago), 
 fake surviving mammoth filmed in Siberia video's, fake Loch Ness videos, 
 fake eagle snatches kid in the park videos, you name it. Nowadays, these 
 kind of animations can be done with off the shelf software that is readily 
 available.
 
 Reasons to make such fake movies can be very diverse:
 
 - People like to fool other people;
 - Maybe someone wants to practise their CGI skills;
 - Maybe someone made this as a practical exam assignment;
 - Maybe someone created this as a proof of concept for potential customers;
 - Maybe this is intended as a viral for an upcoming movie or game;
 - Maybe this is made for an upcoming movie or game
 
 ... to name just a few options.
 
 The 'Eagle snatches kid in the park video of a year ago for example, was an 
 exam product created by university students.
 
 The video's of this fireball that surfaced are too similar in composition and 
 quality, and too 'neat' - with very smooth panning for example, rather than 
 shakey panic.  As Rob mentioned, some are weird - why was the person 
 capturing the fireball filming in the first place? In some video's, it 
 appears the filmer is actually *waiting* for the fireball to appear. And on 
 some of the video's, the fireball really looks CGI if you look carefully 
 (in the train video for example, and the one where it disappears behind a 
 hill). Then there are the other things that don't ad up as pointed out by Rob 
 earlier.
 To top it, all these video's appear out of nowhere on new YouTube accounts, 
 or youtube accounts that collect dubious movies.
 
 These video's therefore really do not answer to the pattern of casual 
 eyewitnesses. Moreover, there shouldn't be just these video's: TV stations, 
 Radio stations, police, observatories, they should have been flooded by 
 eyewitness reports
 
 Nowadays, you simply have to be suspicious. Too many people like to play with 
 CGI and unlike 10 years ago, it is no longer the domain of professionals (nor 
 very expensive). A 19-year-old on his parents loft can do it.
 
 - Marco
 
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[meteorite-list] Fond memories of dear meteorite hunting friend-Jim Kriegh

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

This morning  I was enjoying a cup of coffee and surfing the internet 
for meteorites. I ran across a story about Jim Kriegh 1928-2007,  A 
remembrance in words and pictures by Geoffery Notkin.  I had seen this 
article before but really enjoyed reading and viewing the pictures 
again. The story brought back so many great memories of Jim and the fun 
times in Tucson. Here is a link to the Remembrance of Jim Kriegh for 
those that did not know him and yes, it brought a tear to my eye.


http://www.aerolite.org/portraits/jim-kriegh.htm

Sonny


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[meteorite-list] New 1920g Nevada Chondrite Found by Terry Scott

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

Here is a couple pictures of a new Nevada 1920g chondrite found by 
Terry Scott. The meteorite is the third to be recovered from the new 
strewn field.


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sonny_Clary_nevadameteorites.html

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[meteorite-list] Desert lake bed OC finds

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

Here are a couple of pictures from one of my recent meteorite hunting 
trips. The meteorites appear to be ordinary chondrites.


Sonny

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Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I had to dig a little deeper to investigate Adam's experience on the 
hillside. I have a friend who works at Screech AFB. I contacted him to 
go through the flight data recorders on the F 16's in Nevada. Here is 
what he came up with out of Thunderjet 1. A lot of it is pretty garbled 
but here is what he was able to interpret.


Vegas BLM office to Thunderjet 1. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office go 
ahead. Thunderjet 1 we have reports of radio traffic in Sector 1. It is 
possibly the meteorite men or that pesky meteorite hunter with his dog. 
We want you to deviate from your current mission and go investigate. A 
few seconds later. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office-
Vegas BLM to Thunderjet 1 go ahead.  Thunderjet 1- I have the vehicles 
in sight. It appears they are armed with magnet sticks. Do you want me 
to engage? Thunderjet 1 that is negative. We want you to fly around 
inconspicuously and monitor them. Roger 10-4 Thunderjet 1 monitoring. A 
few seconds later. Vegas BLM office Thunderjet 1-It appears one of the 
people on hillside are waving or making an obscene gesture. Do you wish 
for me to engage? Vegas office to Thunderjet 1-that is negative. We 
want you to return to base. We have bigger chickens to fry. Copy- 
Thunderjet 1 over and out.


All kidding aside, the Air Force jets have been buzzing people in rural 
areas in Nevada for as long as I can remember. We have relatives in 
Central and Northern Nevada who have experienced the jets flying so low 
over their ranches that it shook their homes. We have witnessed C 130's 
landing on dry lake beds (imagine the dust clouds) and military planes 
flying at all hours. It is not uncommon to see the jets flying in 
remote areas doing dog fights, sending out flares, etc. I think this is 
something that us folks that have been in Nevada for several 
generations have gotten used to.


Sonny






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Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix




We were at least 40 miles away from the nearest military installation 
that I
know of.  Maybe I misinterpreted the jet flyby but it looked deliberate 
to me.
Possibly the pilot turned his head to watch the mountain side as he 
blasted by
us. In any case, it startled our group while climbing a steep incline 
and
somebody could have easily lost their footing and been injured so I 
don't see
the humor in it.  We did not see or hear a jet all day and to have one 
buzz our
exact location seems more than a coincidence to me.  The surrounding 
rock was
hotter than our body heat so I am sure thermal imaging is not what gave 
our

location away. 


It is all fun and games until all of your rights have been trampled on 
or
vanished completely. If you think it is alright to have a government 
spy on its
citizenship then you need to go back to school and learn history.  Our 
founding
fathers would be extremely upset by this who gives a crap attitude.  
People seem
to forget that the government is here to serve us and not the other way 
around.



We are loosing rights every day.  In the last 15 years I have seen over 
half the
searchable land off limits or seriously restricted to meteorite 
hunting. Pretty
soon, only private property will be available and that too will soon be 
off
limits judging from the way a few meteorite hunters have treated 
landowners. 
Just go to Kansas and ask how many farmers are willing to work with 
meteorite

hunters?


If you don't see the problem, then you are part of it,


Adam







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To: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Thunder Stone 
stanleygr...@hotmail.com;

Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 8:50 PM
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Are you sure? Obama has the BLM on his desktop speed dial waiting for 
that
chance to order missiles free on meteorite hunters. He is tapped in by 
NSA
computers to your wristwatches. You are only safe if you use an 1890s 
or before

pocket watch.

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On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:45 PM, James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:


LOL, seriously, if the pilot saw you guys and did a maneuver, it was 

out of
showing off and fun.  Far from any malice.


As a former aircrew guy, and recently retired from a 23 year air 

force career,
I promise you they could care less about rock collectors.  There isn't 
enough
training time - especially in the last five years - to go around.  They 
are
extremely busy trying to check the boxes - either test cards or the 
weapon
school / Red Flag scenario at hand.  They are concentrating on the 
mission, the
aircraft systems, and things in the air that [if not watched carefully] 
can kill
them.  That list includes other airplanes, drones, birds, things 
falling off the
airplane, engines a few degrees from alloy 

[meteorite-list] off topic-Arizona Fire Tragedy

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I just received a call about a tragedy in Arizona. According to reports 
18 firefighters were killed on the Yarnell fire. News is still 
developing at this time.  Let's keep these individuals and their 
families in our prayers.


http://www.kpho.com/story/22724064/prescott-courier-18-firefighters-dead-in-yarnell-wildfire

Sonny


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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 3 Stewart Valley OC's

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Congratulations to Bob, Larry, Shayla and Steve for their Stewart 
Valley  finds. Way to go guys!


Sonny


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Sent: Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:49 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 3 Stewart Valley OC's


Hi Bulletin Watchers,

There are three new approvals - all are OC's from the dry lakebeds of
the Western US.

Link - 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=1pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0


Best regards and happy huntings,

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[meteorite-list] Sale Ad-Rare iron meteorites Monnig Collection

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I have just put up some unique iron meteorite slices for sale on my 
page. These meteorites came from the Oscar Monnig collection. This a 
rare opportunity to add a truly unique piece to your collection.


Thanks,
Sonny

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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk trip report is up

[wahlperry]

Hi Rob,

Thanks for the great story.

Sonny


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Re: [meteorite-list] A California cold find

[wahlperry]

Hi Mike,

Way to go great find!

Sonny


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Sent: Fri, May 10, 2013 6:34 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A California cold find


List,The thin section has been 
prepared:http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mm01TSa-small.jpgMichael in 
so. Cal.On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Michael Mulgrew 
mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, list. It is my pleasure to 
report my first cold find. It is 20.1 grams and oriented, with a few 
small flow lines in spots and a bit of roll-over and secondary crust 
on the back side. It is being thin sectioned and then off to be 
classified by Dr. Alan Rubin (thanks, Dru. Rubin!) at UCLA. As a 
native to southern California I am very please to know the type 
specimen will reside locally. I will be happy to share the exact find 
location after I submit to the NomCom' it was found generally in the 
Mojave here in so. Cal (not a dry lake) . 
http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold1.jpg 
http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold1a.jpg 
http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold2.jpg 
http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold3.JPG 
http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold4.JPG 
http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold5.JPG 
http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold6.JPG 
http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold8.JPG My classification guess 
is an H3.8 S0 W1. Regards, Michael in so. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...)

[wahlperry]

Hi Jim,

What was the weight of your new H-metal meteorite from the Franconia 
DCA? Was this the meteorite that you sent me a picture of or a new one?


Thanks,
Sonny
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Michael,There is a lot that has not been learned from the Franconia 
area.More information will be known in the future despite an award 
winning comment from a member of the Drama Queen Dream Team that 
hunting in and classifying 'crap' in DCA's is a waste, yet a new 
H-metal out of itsome more pending...4 mile extension of the 
collection areano...none of that is a contribution...not to mention 
the work which was paid for INAA Testing, EMPA, thin sectioning, grad 
student work...yea nothing contributed to science! Certainly a 
discredit to everyone that made the effort at getting anything anywhere 
classified.  To those hunters my hat is off, with respect.  Its too bad 
the original DCAs in the area were made the way the were.  The new DCA 
makes way more sense for the time being.JimJim Wooddell - MobileMichael 
Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote:List,One more question regarding 
the latest Franconia paper, M. Hutson etal., 2013, regarding the 
sample sized used in that study vs. theirconcluded number of falls for 
the area: They only looked at 14 rocks,concluding that 7 were separate 
falls.  If they looked at 50 rocks,would they have found 25 falls?  
Why did they select only 14 rocks,was it a matter of how much research 
they could fund?  I'd hope thesamples were not selected specifically 
for their appearance, as theystated in the paper that visual pairing 
based on the exterior of thestones was completely misleading.They 
incorrectly reported that the 14 stones in their study make up3.7% of 
the total finds for the area, 380.  We all know this number ismuch 
higher, by a factor of 20 or more probably.  For example, I know ofone 
hunter who made more than 600 finds in a single year.   A 
similardisconnect exists with their statement regarding the % 
representation oftotal mass of all finds.  I'm not sure how they can 
come to such adefinitive fall count with such a miniscule sampling of 
finds from thearea.Ok, two questions: Does anyone know why the irons 
(H-metal) from thearea were ignored in this study?  Surely they are 
directly related tothese chondritic falls, and as Yucca 
015(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=57175) shows 
us,there are multiple unique H-metals out there as well.Back to 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...)

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Hi Jim and List,

I will try to find the picture that you sent from the Franconia area. 
If I remember right, the meteorite was approximately 5-7 grams that 
basically looked like a small chondritic meteorite with a metal bleb 
(as seen in many of the early Franconia meteorites).


Since there has been so much talk about the various meteorite 
classifications that have come out of this Franconia/Yucca DCA I wonder 
if anyone has taken the time to compare
the large metal blebs that are found in a lot of the early Franconia 
area meteorites to the H metal meteorite that Jim found (Yucca 015). A 
lot of the larger meteorites found on the North and South side several 
years ago displayed these features. I am sure some folks out there have 
slices off of some of the larger stones that display the large metal 
blebs/flakes. It would be interesting to see how the metal blebs 
compare to the H metal meteorites from the same area.


I also read about the terrestrial age dating on the meteorites from the 
DCA. What is the margin of error plus or minus on the terrestrial 
dating? I know there are various classifications
of meteorites from this DCA I just wonder if Yucca 015 (just using this 
as an example) could have fallen as one of the early Franconia 
meteorites with the metal blebs but separated during the explosion over 
the strewnfield.


Sonny


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Sonny, this is YUCCA 015.  I cant remember which picture I 
sentyou...been too long 
ago.http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=57175JimOn Wed, May 
1, 2013 at 5:45 PM,  wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi Jim, What was the 
weight of your new H-metal meteorite from the Franconia DCA? Was this 
the meteorite that you sent me a picture of or a new one? Thanks, 
Sonny www.nevadameteorites.com -Original Message- From: 
Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net To: Michael Mulgrew 
mikest...@gmail.com; Meteorite List 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, May 1, 2013 2:54 pm 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: 
...terminology...) Michael,There is a lot that has not been learned 
from the Franconia area.More information will be known in the future 
despite an award winning comment from a member of the Drama Queen 
Dream Team that hunting in and classifying 'crap' in DCA's is a waste, 
yet a new H-metal out of itsome more pending...4 mile extension of 
the collection areano...none of that is a contribution...not to 
mention the work which was paid for INAA Testing, EMPA, thin 
sectioning, grad student work...yea nothing contributed to science! 
Certainly a discredit to everyone that made the effort at getting 
anything anywhere classified.  To those hunters my hat is off, with 
respect. Its too bad the original DCAs in the area were made the way 
the were.  The new DCA makes way more sense for the time being.JimJim 
Wooddell - MobileMichael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com 
wrote:List,One more question regarding the latest Franconia paper, 
M. Hutson etal., 2013, regarding the sample sized used in that study 
vs. theirconcluded number of falls for the area: They only looked at 
14 rocks,concluding that 7 were separate falls. If they looked at 50 
rocks,would they have found 25 falls?  Why did they select only 14 
rocks,was it a matter of how much research they could fund? I'd hope 
thesamples were not selected specifically for their appearance, as 
theystated in the paper that visual pairing based on the exterior of 
thestones was completely misleading.They incorrectly reported that 
the 14 stones in their study make up3.7% of the total finds for the 
area, 380.  We all know this number ismuch higher, by a factor of 20 
or more probably. For example, I know ofone hunter who made more than 
600 finds in a single year.   A similardisconnect exists with their 
statement regarding the % representation oftotal mass of all finds.  
I'm not sure how they can come to such adefinitive fall count with 
such a miniscule sampling of finds from thearea.Ok, two questions: 
Does anyone know why the irons (H-metal) from thearea were ignored in 
this study?  Surely they are directly related tothese chondritic 
falls, and as Yucca 
015(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=57175) shows 
us,there are multiple unique H-metals out there as well.Back to 
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[meteorite-list] Casa Grande area strewnfield hunting story update

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I have updated my website with a continuation of the hunting adventures 
in the strewnfield. I have included more pictures. This has to be the 
most interesting strewn field I have

ever hunted.

Here is the link

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_AZ_Meteorite_Sonny_Clary_1.html

Thanks,
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[meteorite-list] Help identifying stone I found

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

I found a suspected meteorite. I am not sure what it is. It could be 
terrestrial but there are some features that make me think it could be 
a howardite or eucrite. As a hunter
I always remind myself while hunting that there are different stages of 
weathering for all meteorites, from a fresh fall to a highly weathered 
lake bed find.  This sometimes makes it difficult to identify all the 
different types of meteorites. Then I think about brecciated, impact 
melts, anomolous, etc. and that just adds to the challenge.


This new find has a similiar attraction to a magnet as NWA 1109 
polymict eucrite. The matrix is also very close in color.


Any help would be appreciated. I have included a link to the pictures 
of the stone below.


Sonny



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Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Found

[wahlperry]

Hi Dave 
Way to go congratulations on your new find.
Sonny

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 25, 2013, at 5:51 PM, David Libuszowski davidlibuszow...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

 Just wanted to share a pretty recent fall meteorite I found while hunting for 
 meteorites in the desert using the Minelab GPX5000. Has a really black fusion 
 crust, and performed an xrf analysis of it, as shown in the pics. I have to 
 say this is one of the most magnetic pieces I have found, besides a solid 
 iron.
 Dave Libuszowski
 https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/302008_184433205043044_514369302_n.jpg
 https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/305771_184433315043033_382374224_n.jpg
 https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/575614_184433351709696_611575177_n.jpg
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Third set of Human remains found in the Casa Grande?Stanfield Strewn Field / update

[wahlperry]

Hi Bob and List,

I sure hope there are no more bodies found, as well, Sonny.  Although 
there has been no forensic evidence found, so far, that suggests 
foul-play, which leaves weather-related causes as the usual suspects, 
there have been reports from the field of attempted theft of vehicles 
and/or theft of items in those vehicles (in broad daylight).


Actually this new discovery would be the fourth body recovered from the 
strewn field/area. I had forgotten about this last night. I was told a 
man was found shot about a month prior to the discovery of the strewn 
field. This body was found right where I was parking my truck. I also 
learned from a BLM ranger that a ranger was shot and killed up in the 
mountains in the saddle of a mountain a few years ago. As for knowing 
the cause of death for the other 3 sets of remains it may never be 
known. The whole strewn field is the ending point /drop off where the 
drug contraband is picked up. One guard is left to protect the 
contraband and the other mules go on their way. This makes the lone man 
an easy target for other runners to profit. This is one of the reasons 
not to wear camo in the strewn field while hunting. I was told that 
these groups wear camo to help conceal themselves and also carry 
rifles. If another group is spotted the fire fight is on. Three 
officers encountered this situation in the vicinity of the RV park a 
few years back. I spoke to another meteorite hunter who had an 
encounter with a man wanting to know what he was doing in the area. As 
their conversation came to an end the man walked off and was joined by 
three other men who were fully armed that were watching the 
conversation from a short distance. These guys were not playing around! 
I urge everyone to be on guard as they are walking the strewn field.


http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/six-in-custody-in-connection-with-fatal-pinal-county-smuggler/article_163c2882-66b5-11e0-858a-001cc4c002e0.html


Also, have there been any actual finds made in Casa Grande, or have 

they all been made in the Stanfield area

As far as I know nothing has be found in the Casa Grande area. I just 
used this name because people are familiar with it and the fireball was 
called the Casa Grande fireball for years in news reports.


Sonny






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Sent: Fri, Apr 12, 2013 1:55 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Third set of Human remains found in the 
Casa Grande?Stanfield Strewn Field



I sure hope there are no more bodies found, as well, Sonny.  Although 
there has been no forensic evidence found, so far, that suggests 
foul-play, which leaves weather-related causes as the usual suspects, 
there have been reports from the field of attempted theft of vehicles 
and/or theft of items in those vehicles (in broad daylight). So, 
unfortunately, the warning is still be careful out there!Also, have 
there been any actual finds made in Casa Grande, or have they all been 
made in the Stanfield area?Bob V. --- On Thu, 4/11/13, 
wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: From: wahlpe...@aol.com 
wahlpe...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Third set of Human 
remains found in the Casa Grande Strewn Field To: 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 
7:33 PM Hi List,    I just finished reading a link to a story that 
is an unfortunate reality in the Casa Grande area strewn field. To my 
knowledge this is the third body discovered. I came across one, 
another man I met in the field found one and now this one. I sure hope 
there are not anymore.   
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Meteorite-hunters-find-human-remains-in-desert-along-I-8-202586231.html 
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[meteorite-list] Third set of Human remains found in the Casa Grande Strewn Field

[wahlperry]

Hi List, 


I just finished reading a link to a story that is an unfortunate 
reality in the Casa Grande area strewn field. To my knowledge this is 
the third body discovered. I came across one, another man I met in the 
field found one and now this one. I sure hope there are not anymore. 


http://www.azfamily.com/news/Meteorite-hunters-find-human-remains-in-desert-along-I-8-202586231.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] A Bunch of Irregular Stones I Found (+How I Think They May Have Originated)

[wahlperry]

Hi Adam and List,

While I agree there can be some confusion on identifying meteorites and 
meteor wrongs I would like to make a comment on your Easter Egg Hunt 
post.


I call this this Easter Egg hunt syndrome.  A lot of people believe 

meteorites
are lying around everywhere just ready to be picked up like Easter 

Eggs on a

child's hunt.


Some of you will find this hard to believe. I call this the EEYORE 
syndrome. As you probably know Eeyore is the delightfully dismal 
pessimistic Donkey on

Winnie the Pooh.

If you had been along on the Buzzard Coulee or Yelland meteorite hunts 
you would understand that indeed there are cases when meteorites are 
literally laying everywhere. It just takes some time and dedicated 
hunting to find them. When McCartney Taylor and I got to Buzzard Coulee 
and located the strewnfield we could not believe our eyes. The 
meteorites were everywhere! Hell, Ray Charles could have found some! It 
really was an amazing sight and felt like an Easter Egg Hunt. Believe 
me, if I had an Easter basket I could have filled it.



Then they can cash them in for huge amounts just like seen on
TV.


I imagine the same can be said for meteorites sold on EBay or any other 
public forum. I recently saw an ad on my Local CBS news advertising the 
worlds largest NWA
Lunar meteorite for sale. The report said it was locked in a safe and 
guarded 24 hours a day. I would assume this would convey the message 
that this meteorite is very valuable. Correct me if I am wrong. I think 
this may have been one of your meteorites for sale.


In regards to Peter's finds;
I know that sometimes it is difficult for someone who has found a 
meteor wrong to accept  the fact that the stone that they are sure is a 
meteorite is a meteorwrong.
At this point it is often difficult to convince them otherwise.  I 
generally refer them to an expert at a respected University. I also 
believe that there are many experts right here on the List and I 
personally would trust their opinions 100%.


Sonny



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Sent: Sat, Mar 23, 2013 7:27 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Bunch of Irregular Stones I Found (+How 
I Think They May Have Originated)



I call this this Easter Egg hunt syndrome.  A lot of people believe 
meteorites
are lying around everywhere just ready to be picked up like Easter Eggs 
on a
child's hunt.  Then they can cash them in for huge amounts just like 
seen on
TV.  In reality, even on a fall, it may be several hundred hours 
between finds.



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[meteorite-list] Casa Grande fireball meteorite classification (name pending)

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

Here is the classification for the meteorite that was recovered from 
the June 1998 Casa Grande fireball. I just want to say thanks to 
several people. Rob Matson and Marc Fries for the Doppler radar work. 
Rob Ward who provided eyewitness information to aid in the radar work. 
Alan Rubin for doing the classification.  Here are Alan's results.



H5, S1, W0

olivine Fa 17.9±0.3  (n=16)

low-Ca pyroxene Fs16.0±0.2  Wo1.5±0.2  (n=19)

Ca-pyx Fs5.2 Wo47.0  (n=1)

The chondrite has a few plagioclase grains up to 25 µm across.


I hope to post a few more pictures on my webpage soon.

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[meteorite-list] Casa Grande meteorite-training Brix on the scent. Brix's Pup for sale

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Hi All,

I had a chance to test Brix with the new meteorite recovery. I was 
always curious about the scent that Brix was detecting and how old of a 
meteorite he could detect. I had picked up a couple of suspected 
meteorites but at closer inspection they turned out to be meteor 
wrongs. The meteor wrongs are around 50 - 60g size. I decided to try 
and trick Brix by putting both meteor wrongs and meteorite in the 
training area. What a great chance to see if Brix could detect a 
meteorite that has been lying on the ground for roughly 14 1/2 years. 
The meteorites that I have used for his training  are  50 - 60g Buzzard 
Coulee's.I have an area that I use to train Brix with 12 cement blocks 
in a large circle. A meteorite is placed under a block in the center 
out of sight. Brix has to detect the meteorite by scent. At different 
training times I just toss a couple meteorites into a field with Brix 
out of line of  sight and then release him in the general area. With 
the new Casa Grande meteorite I placed one under a brick and down 5 
blocks a meteor wrong to see what he would do. Brix went to the blocks 
and started working when he came to the meteor wrong, he slowed down 
and did a double take and then moved to the block with the meteorite. 
Before the training I move all the blocks and touch everything in the 
training area except for the meteorites so my scent is on the blocks . 
Brix downed on the block were the meteorite was hiding. I repeated this 
training twice and he was able to locate the 18g meteorite both times. 
This is a good sign that some of the training is sticking with him.


I am breeding Brix in a with a police department canine. She is a 
Belgian Malinois narcotics dog. One of the pups will go back to that 
department. I will get pick of the litter. I am not planning on keeping 
the pup as Brix is already a full time job. If anyone has an interest 
in a pup contact me off list. Price is $1200. There is no guarantee 
that the breeding will take but if it does then there will be one 
available. Four pups are already spoken for. Brix is registered AKC and 
UKC.


Thanks,
Sonny






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[meteorite-list] Discovery of new Arizona meteorite strewnfield from Casa Grande Fireball June 1998

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

Here is a link to the story of our new discovery. I want to be sure 
anyone going into this area uses upmost caution for their safety.


Sonny


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_AZ_Meteorite_Sonny_Clary.html



For more information on the location of this strewnfield please refer 
the Galactic Analytics website

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[meteorite-list] Tucson show- Membrane Box's? / Ad- Moapa Valley pieces for sale

[wahlperry]

Hi List,


Looking to purchase membrane box's. Does anyone know if there are any 
for sale at the show? I will also have the last two slices of Moapa 
valley CM1 for sale. 3g and a 1.2g piece.



Thanks,
Sonny

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[meteorite-list] New Az meteorite hunting technique vs not getting Flu shot

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

Check out this new Arizona meteorite hunting technique. I don't know 
which is worse this new hunting technique or not getting the Flu shot.


Sonny

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Man-jumps-into-Meteor-Crater-mine-shaft-to-appease-the-gods-186515131.html

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[meteorite-list] New 4.4g Cold find

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Hi All,

I found a  4.4g oriented meteorite. It looks like a weathered OC but on 
a closer inspection the back side shows a frothy brown fusion crust 
with a dark interior.Could this be normal weathering for chondrite? I 
would hate to cut it and find out that it is only a OC and ruin the 
oriented meteorite. On a long shot maybe a Impact Melt or CC chondrite?


Sonny


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Re: [meteorite-list] New 4.4g Cold find

[wahlperry]

Hi Mike,

Thanks,

Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
To: wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com
Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New  4.4g Cold find


Congrats Sonny, I would guess carbonaceous myself. Seems similar to 
some I have bought myself.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 16, 2013, at 1:45 
PM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi All,  I found a  4.4g oriented 
meteorite. It looks like a weathered OC but on a closer inspection the 
back side shows a frothy brown fusion crust with a dark interior.Could 
this be normal weathering for chondrite? I would hate to cut it and 
find out that it is only a OC and ruin the oriented meteorite. On a 
long shot maybe a Impact Melt or CC chondrite?  Sonny   
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Re: [meteorite-list] New 4.4g Cold find

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Hi Pat

How strongly is it attracted to a magnet? In my limited experience, 

a carbonaceous in general would be less attracted to a magnet

I would say the magnet attracts to the meteorite in the same range L-H 
chondrite.I tested Allende CV3.2, Moapa ValleyCM1,These two had less 
attraction for the magnet.Dag 192 CO3, NWA801 CR2, and Lucerne Dry lake 
CK4 had a attraction that was close to my meteorite.


Just by eye and heft, what is the density compared to an OC? 

Carbonaceous Ch. are usually less dense than an OC

It does seem less dense than OC pieces in the same size range that I 
have.



Sonny




-Original Message-
From: Pat Brown scientificlifest...@hotmail.com
To: Sonny Clary wahlpe...@aol.com; Met List 
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Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 2:03 pm
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] New  4.4g Cold find


Hi Sonny, 


Nice find. I second your idea about not wanting to cut it. At first 
blush it does look carbonaceous. The crust does have that 'bubbly 
burnt marshmallow' kind of look as I have seen on some other 
carbonaceous chondrites.  



* How strongly is it attracted to a magnet? In my limited experience, 
a carbonaceous in general would be less attracted to a magnet. 



* Just by eye and heft, what is the density compared to an OC? 
Carbonaceous Ch. are usually less dense than an OC



* I would also recommend looking at it in reflected cross polarized 
light. The allows you to look through the desert vanish (but not real 
fusion crust) and may give a better look at the interior without 
cutting. 



Best Regards and Happy Hunting, 
                                             Pat Brown 





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From: wahlpe...@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:45:01 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] New  4.4g Cold find

Hi All,

I found a  4.4g oriented meteorite. It looks like a weathered OC but 

on

a closer inspection the back side shows a frothy brown fusion crust
with a dark interior.Could this be normal weathering for chondrite? I
would hate to cut it and find out that it is only a OC and ruin the
oriented meteorite. On a long shot maybe a Impact Melt or CC 

chondrite?


Sonny


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[meteorite-list] Terry Scott's New 17g Meteorite find

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

The weather is just about right for desert meteorite hunting again. I 
recently spent a day out in the field with a couple of friends. One of 
them was lucky enough to find a beautiful 17 gram chondrite. The stone 
was found shortly after the hunt began. We spent the whole day in the 
field without making any more discoveries. Of course we all know there 
should be more pieces in the area it is just going to take a little 
work to find them. I had a chance to use my custom scale cube in the 
picture.


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html

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[meteorite-list] Off Topic - Novato California Strewn field / Meteorite Zombies

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I just returned from Novato, California where I had a chance to do an 
investigation on Meteorite Zombies. I was able to catch a few pictures 
on my hidden trail cams placed around the Novato area. Here is the Link.


Sonny

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[meteorite-list] Battle Mountain comments on trip report

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I have added a few comments in response to a recent trip report I read. 
For those who are not interested just click delete now.


For those interested here is the link 
http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Battle_Mt_2_3.html


Sonny
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[meteorite-list] Battle Mountain

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I just wanted to give an update on my experience in Battle Mountain and
squelch any rumors that may be out there. Many of you read about my
encounter with a young miner whom agreed to exchange find information
with me as well as sell me the meteorite that he had found. This miner
is now out of jail and is back in the area working.

I want to make it very clear that it was never my intention to see
him get into trouble. After realizing that I had been lied to, etc.. I
just wanted my hangun back. I had no real hard feelings, I just felt
since he tricked me I should ask for my gun back.

I don't think that this young man realizes that he
would have been caught one way or the other for posession of a firearm.
You see, once I had turned in my Blue Card and the exchange of
ownership information (which he signed and provided his legal name,
address, etc) the authorities would have discovered the fact that he is
a felon and not allowed to own a firearm. Did he really think that the
authorities would let him own a handgun? This man came across as a
genuinely nice honest person. I believed him when he told me he would
show me where the meteorite fell, that he found it the night of the
fall and that he had the meteorite in a safety deposit box. As it
turned out, everything he told me was not true. He had already sold the
meteorite to another hunter, he had told the other hunter the true find
location and he did not discover the stone the night of the fall. It
wasn't  until another hunter trained him what to look for that he
discovered it. It is still a spectacular meteorite and I do not want to
take anything away from this beautiful specimen.

I just want to make it clear that I had no idea that he was a felon and
was tricking me. If he simply would have declined to exchange the
handgun as part of the deal he never would have ended up in trouble. Of
course, he would have still been lying to me about everything else. I
still am having a hard time understanding why a certain meteorite
hunter who is a member of a respected meteorite collectors group would
stand up for this young man and feel that he should have been able to
keep the gun. I still don't know how else this could have been handled.
Perhaps he didn't take the time to get all of the facts.


So for those who are or will be out in the field hunting for the Battle
Mountain meteorite do not be duped by strangers in the field. Although I
am certain that there are plenty of good people out there in the field.
In my opinion there are also a few who may not be as honest.

Below are links to some articles I found on the man in question.

http://smalltownnews.com/article.php?catname=Local%20Governmentpub=The%20Long%20Valley%20Advocatepid=164pub=Long%20Valley%20Advocateaid=45143

http://lva.stparchive.com/Archive/LVA/LVA04142010p08.php

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[meteorite-list] Battle Mountain Field report / strewn field conditions / etc.

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

I have posted a few pictures of the strewnfield and a large chondrite 
on my website.A couple of the roads in the  area will be posted with No 
trespassing signs later this week. The reason is for mine safety 
regulations.The project supervisor was very nice and explained the 
biggest concern is safety.If anything was to happen on the mining clam, 
the site would be shut down.


Thanks,
Sonny


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[meteorite-list] (Off Topic) Two amazing finds!

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

Here are a few pictures from my last meteorite excursion.

Thanks,
Sonny


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[meteorite-list] (Off topic) regarding two amazing finds

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

I just wanted to thank everyone who commented on the puppies off and on 
List. I would bet that if any of you had come across the pups that you 
would have helped them too.


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[meteorite-list] Trying to contact Richard Garcia

[wahlperry]

Hi ,

Does anyone have Richard Garcia's email?

Thanks,
Sonny
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Re: [meteorite-list] Verish Birthday Party Photos

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Hi Michael,

Thanks, for posting the pictures. Happy Birthday to Bob and Moni and hi 
to all that attended.



Sonny


-Original Message-
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Sent: Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:00 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Verish Birthday Party Photos


Hi AllToday Angel and I made the trip up north about 35 miles 
to Escondidoto attend a joint birthday party for Bob and Moni Verish, 
who were bornwithin a week of one another(+/- 7 years). To our surprise 
and delight theparty was also attended by 3 other members of the 
Southern CaliforniaMeteorite  Tektite Club: Paul and Janice Harris (of 
Meteorite Exchange) andthe noted meteorite hunter, Richard Garcia (no 
relation to Ruben Garcia).Great stories of Sutter's Mill (Moni found a 
17g+ specimen there) and Rubenbrought his outstanding Holbrook find. 
Also on display were some otherimpressive specimens, including what was 
labeled as the main mass of GoldBasin, and a splendid thing it is, 
too.Thought you all might enjoy some of the photos:Best 
wishes, MichaelClick on any Photo to 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sort of OT (except for Brix!): North Las Vegas bobcat

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Hi Rob,

I was working that night when the incident occurred. Georgia heard Brix 
barking and a large cat screaming. Georgia shined a light in the 
direction and saw  the fight. During the fight she thought she had seen 
a second set of eyes on the block wall as Brix was on the ground with 
the other animal.The Department of Wildlife officer thought the fur 
that was found on the wall and kennel looked like it may possibly be a 
bobcat but the large covered scant piles did not match a bobcat 
scant.The officer's only explanation regarding the large scant piles 
could possibly be from a bobcat that was eating dog food form one of 
the neighbors yards.  I'm still not sure what kind of animal it was. 
The cat was a little shorter than Brix by 8-10 and not as long but 
stocky. The animal hung around also for around 15-20 minutes from start 
to finish.



For me, the news story was disturbingly ignorant
about bobcats on many levels, and it is a shame that
the slant seemed designed to stoke the irrational fears
that some people have about them.


Yes I feel the same way. I have seen many bobcats in the field and they 
act just like a house cat curious and slow moving. Also my thoughts 
would be to leave the cat alone and let it live.The animal has been 
around for at
lest six months and has never caused any problems before and I really 
doubt it will come back. I have also closed the gate to the kennel to 
keep Brix from area just in case it does come back.


Sonny






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Sent: Fri, Jun 15, 2012 11:37 am
Subject: Sort of OT (except for Brix!): North Las Vegas bobcat


Hi Sonny,

Glad to hear Brix is fine! Is your neighborhood sure
the interloper was a bobcat? No way would a bobcat
~intentionally~ go up against a German Shepherd, or
any comparably-sized dog. They are quite shy of humans
and large dogs; a Brix-bobcat encounter pretty much
requires the cat to accidentally enter the yard not
knowing a dog is present. In such cases, I should
think the cat would be quite lucky to survive the
encounter.

For me, the news story was disturbingly ignorant
about bobcats on many levels, and it is a shame that
the slant seemed designed to stoke the irrational fears
that some people have about them. Yes, if you have a
Maltese in your backyard, a bobcat might have it for
lunch. But more likely a coyote would get to it first.

In my neighborhood when there is a bobcat sighting,
the police come out and educate the homeowners that
they are natural, not a danger, and not to be concerned
about them. Yes, they will go after small animals if
given the opportunity, but coyotes are far more
aggressive ... and far more numerous.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Brix finds more than just meteorites! Thank You

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I just wanted to Thank everyone for their kind words and concern for 
Brix. I think (and hope) the cat must have headed for a more peaceful 
yard because we have not seen or heard anything since the incident. It 
is pretty rare to have this happen in Las Vegas but from the responses 
I got it seems like it is more common than we thought.


Thanks Again,

Sonny

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From: wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com
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Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 6:52 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Brix finds more than just meteorites!


Hi All,Early this morning Georgia was awoke to the sound of Brix 
barking ferociously in the backyard. It turned out there was an 
uninvited guest out back and Brix was not happy. Over the last couple 
of months we have been finding large piles of scat that had been buried 
in the kennel. We thought Brix had been watching our cats a little too 
much and had started burying his droppings. Well as is turns out it was 
from a suspected Bobcat. We are not sure yet. The Department of 
Wildlife is investigating. Talk about an exciting morning! Brix got an 
early Rabies shot booster and is perfectly fine except for a little 
lost fur and a couple scratches on his forehead! Hopefully they will be 
willing to relocate the cat. Time will tell. There is a news link 
below.Sonnyhttp://www.fox5vegas.com/story/18783046/bobcat-attacks-dog-in-
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[meteorite-list] Brix finds more than just meteorites!

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

Early this morning Georgia was awoke to the sound of Brix barking 
ferociously in the backyard. It turned out there was an uninvited guest 
out back and Brix was not happy. Over the last couple of months we have 
been finding large piles of scat that had been buried in the kennel. We 
thought Brix had been watching our cats a little too much and had 
started burying his droppings. Well as is turns out it was from a 
suspected Bobcat. We are not sure yet. The Department of Wildlife is 
investigating. Talk about an exciting morning! Brix got an early Rabies 
shot booster and is perfectly fine except for a little lost fur and a 
couple scratches on his forehead! Hopefully they will be willing to 
relocate the cat. Time will tell. There is a news link below.


Sonny


http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/18783046/bobcat-attacks-dog-in-northwest-las-vegas
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[meteorite-list] Sale Ad-Moapa Valley CM1 small pieces for sale

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I have some small pieces of Moapa Valley CM1 for sale. These are 
fragments from a recent slice that was cut. As you know Moapa Valley is 
the only CM1 available for sale to the Public. TKW 699 grams.




Here is a link to the sale page.  
http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Moapa_Valley_Sale_page_1_2.html


Here is the link to the classification.  
http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Moapa_Valley_Sale_page_1.html 





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Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull

[wahlperry]

Hi Greg,

This is a very exciting meteorite, every day reveals just a little bit 
more... What other meteorite has the honor of being used to calibrate 
systems to be used on a spacecraft destined to return samples from an 
asteroid?  :)


I know they will be using a couple different Carbonaceous meteorites 
also  for the calibration including  Moapa Valley CM1 and  Murchison.


Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net
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Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 7:26 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull


Hey all,I think Jeff stated it pretty clearly as far as the speed of 
the name approval. I believe that this week, or even next, is the 
deadline for abstracts to be submitted for the August conference in 
Australia, and that is why the name was approved so quickly with a 
'placeholder' classification. I have seen this happen several times in 
the past. It does help the scientists get the info out in the next 
conference with an officially approved name, but it does lead to 
confusion in the initial MetBull entry. I think everyone needs to 
remember, as Jeff has stated a few times, that work is still under way 
by many labs around the world, and that the initial 'class' info will 
be defined as the abstracts and other future analysis proceeds.This is 
a very exciting meteorite, every day reveals just a little bit more... 
What other meteorite has the honor of being used to calibrate systems 
to be used on a spacecraft destined to return samples from an asteroid? 
 :)Best Regards,GregGreg HupéThe Hupé 
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Message- From: Michael GilmerSent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:02 PMTo: 
Jeff GrossmanCc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: 
[meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBullHi Jeff and List,I think the 
speedy approval and publication is a great service to themeteorite 
community as a whole (science and laypeople alike), becauseit provides 
authoritative data during an event that is stillunfolding, and this 
might help prevent some misunderstandings ormisinformation that could 
have resulted without a publishedclassification.  Great job on getting 
it done quick.  :)On the other hand, I am a bit puzzled by the 
temporary place-holdertype of C - Carbonaceous.  I understand what 
it means and why it wasselected.  However, this seems unusual for an 
approval that ispublished in the database.  We don't see this very 
often.  In thepast, the release of an approved classification was 
usually withhelduntil a more definitive conclusion was reached on the 
petrologic type.In other words, we don't see too many of these 
placeholderclassification types.  Am I wrong, or did Sutter's Mill 
merit thisbecause of it's important and unusual nature?Best 
regards,MikeG-- 
---Galactic 
Stone  Ironworks - MikeGWeb: http://www.galactic-stone.comFacebook: 
http://www.facebook.com/galacticstoneTwitter: 
http://twitter.com/GalacticStoneRSS: 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516---On 
5/22/12, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that is what 
I meant. On 5/22/2012 7:08 PM, Matson, Robert D. wrote: Hi 
Greg, Wow - that classification was fast, exactly one month. I 
guess now it needs to be compared to the other C's  and if there are 
three alike, perhaps a brand new C-chondrite group. Don't read too 
much into the simple C classification. This is very preliminary, 
and the classification will no doubt gain specificity as analyses at 
multiple labs are performed. (This is what Jeff meant in the be 
patient comment below.) For now, think of C as a placeholder: we 
know it's a carbonaceous chondrite. ;-)  --Rob -Original 
Message- From: Jeff Grossman Sent: 22 May 2012 21:31:47 GMT 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 
SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull For those of you who are disappointed in 
the classification, be patient. Science sometimes takes time.  I'm 
sure various groups will be refining this in coming days and 
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[meteorite-list] Just for the record - Sutter's Mill

[wahlperry]

 Hi List,

I wanted to make a few comments about my time hunting the Sutter's Mill 
fall. Overall it has been a great experience. The majority of hunters 
and landowners seemed to work well together. I met some great people 
and several have invited us back to hunt some areas that were hard to 
obtain permission to hunt (later in the season when the grass dies). I 
will be uploading pictures over the next few days. It is such a 
beautiful area. 


I do have to mention something that really disappointed me. I heard 
that a sore subject was brought up again by a member of the meteorite 
community. Apparently he called me a liar. Interestingly enough, I 
thought that this was water under the bridge since we have discussed 
the topic and shook hands several times in the past. Sometimes one 
finds themselves in a difficult position regarding privileged 
information and must honor another person's request. A few years ago I 
was asked to keep the whereabouts of certain individuals confidential 
due to the potential of a mad rush of hunters into an area. I chose to 
honor that request and keep their whereabouts quiet. Another 
individual( who I barely knew) took offense to the fact that I chose 
not to disclose information and felt that I was invading his 
state/backyard. In hindsight I guess I should have said I really can't 
tell you rather than being evasive. But again it is none of his 
business where any of us hunt meteorites. I am free to hunt any state I 
chose. The same as he is free to hunt wherever he chooses.  This 
individual asked me how I would feel if he were to hunt in my 
state/backyard without letting me know. It is none of my business where 
he hunts. And for this person to make a statement over the last week to 
a few friends of mine that it was not him on the phone talking to a 
landowner who had surveillance video. We both know that is not true 
because he called me right away and told me that he had just got off 
the phone with this person.


 I have information from respectable sources in the meteorite community 
that this individual provided derogatory information to another list 
member to post about me on this List on more than one occasion. Then 
later this individual was running for an elected position and made 
phone calls to my home insisting that I call a few well known meteorite 
hunters and clear his name of any wrongdoing or rumors. It definitely 
seemed like he was trying to blackmail me. Stating something like I 
can make things a lot worse for you. What did that mean?  I was not 
sure what exactly he was accusing me of saying about him since I never 
said anything in public about him (good or bad). This phone call (which 
we have a record of) really upset me and my wife. I was able to get my 
friends to call this individual and reassure him that I never said 
anything negative about him. This individual then called me back and 
apologized for threatening to make things a lot worse and said he 
hoped he had not upset my wife too much. We agreed to try and put this 
behind us and move on( I thought we had). Due to the fact that I no 
longer have restrictions about this issue I can speak freely without 
fear of reprimand. I have since dealt with the initial issue and no 
longer want to have my name dragged through the mud. Those that know me 
know that I am a good man. They know what I do for a living over the 
past 28 years. I worked hard to get where I am in my career and as a 
meteorite hunter. I have never been handed anything and I am proud of 
that. Enough is Enough.



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Re: [meteorite-list] May Issue of Meteorite Times Now Up

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Hi Paul and Jim,

Thanks for another great Issue of Meteorite Times!

Sonny


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Subject: [meteorite-list] May Issue of Meteorite Times Now Up


Hello Everyone,The May issue of Meteorite Times is now up.The following 
URL gives access to the Web Browser View, Flash Magazine View, and 
Mobile PDF.http://www.meteorite-times.com/monthly-issues/This page has 
an easy way to view all of the Mag View issues in the Archives 
section of the page.http://issuu.com/meteorite-times/docsThis URL 
provides an easier way to access the archive of articles by column from 
April 2002 through August 2009.  This URL is available from the Home 
page and also on the Horizontal Menu 
Bar.http://www.meteorite-times.com/article-archives/Enjoy!Paul and 
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[meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill meteorite hunt pictures

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I uploaded some pictures of my Sutter's Mill find along with several 
great pictures from the hunting trip including the Trouble Maker 
Rapids. I hope to shoot these rapids next month in my new kayak.


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sutter%22s_Mill,CA_Fireball_2012_1.html

Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] GIRL POWER

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Hi Moni,

Way to go! Super find!

Sonny


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Subject: [meteorite-list] GIRL POWER


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[meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill Meteorite Hunt

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I just got in tonight from a week long hunt at Sutter's Mill. I would 
like to thank Marc Fries and Rob Matson for their tireless efforts 
coordinating all the data. These two folks made it all possible. 
Thanks, you guys rock! It was great to see everyone out in the field 
working together to recover pieces of this rare fall. It was a pleasure 
to see such comradery amongst all of the teams. I hope to have the 
pictures up on my web site over the next few days. You will be 
surprised at some of the shots. It was a blast. I will include a 
picture of my spectacular 8.3 gram fully fusion crusted oriented 
complete stone. The fusion crust just glistens in the sun. I wish the 
best of luck to the hunters still out in the field. Who knows, maybe I 
can try and get back out next week. It amazes me how popular this 
carbonaceous chondrite is . Who would think that this suspected CM 
chondrite is selling in the field for three times the price of a 
witnessed martian meteorite fall.




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Sonny

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[meteorite-list] Possible new Carbonaceous Chondrite CV find

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

Here are a couple of pictures of a possible 4g CV Nevada find. The 
fragment was windowed in the field. Upon closer inspection under normal 
light I was able to see numerous CAIs with a few small chondrules. The 
pictures are larger in slide show view. Time to go look for the rest of 
the meteorite.




http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html


Sonny


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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunter Scours The Ground For Bits Of Sky

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Hi Ruben,

Great article! Way to go.

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[meteorite-list] PVC death trap / Off topic

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Hi All,

Here are a couple more pictures of PVC mining claim markers that I 
found on the last meteorite hunting trip. : /


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Birds.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap

[wahlperry]

Hi Doug, Mark and List,

First thanks for all the great replies. I want to point out that I am 
NOT anti- mining. I have been a lifelong Nevada resident and I believe 
that mining and wildlife can co-exist in our State. My main purpose was 
to increase public awareness of this problem. I was saddened by what I 
found in the PVC marker and would like to see the problem cease. I 
believe many of these tragic deaths( if not all) can be avoided. Over 
the years while exploring the deserts of the
Southwest I have crossed paths with many of the PVC markers. Some of 
the valleys are covered with markers as far as the eye can see. Many of 
the claims are long forgotten and the only reminder are the broken 
markers littering the
Desert floor. In fact our State Bird the mountain bluebird has 
frequently fallen victim to these pipes.


Here is a link to an article.  PVC pipes trapping, killing birds by the 
thousands  A troubling find was that about half of those markers that 
HAD PROTECTIVE CAPS  put in place at some earlier point in time, now 
had those caps DISPLACED, on the ground nearby, said state biologist 
Christy Klinger. So the hazard from the pipe became 
re-established.Here is a link to the article.


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/22/8955697-pvc-pipes-trapping-killing-birds-by-the-thousands

Sorry for the incomplete post. I have a meteorite hunting trip planned 
today with a small army of PETA types to spread out into the desert 
knocking over snd deatroying other peoplesproperty markers and 
hopefully find a few meteorites. : )


Sonny






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To: minador mina...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list 
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Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 11:11 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw:  PVC death trap


Hi Mark, everyone,It's too bad society needs rules but with so many 
humans overrrunning the wilderness, the best way to deal with it is 
work on a responsible collecting/mining/4-wheeling/detecting/etc. 
personal policy and showcase it for all to see - just like Sonny - then 
regulations are not zealously pursued and the offended find other 
causes more urgently in need and leave us alone.I hear you, but just 
like everything we seem to get involved in that is outdoors, a few bad 
apples can spoil it for the 90%+ of people who really are law abidng 
common sense toting individuals and that is where the regulators are 
forced to move, and in this case people that don't clean up after 
themselfs, maybe because they died, or some other possibly easily 
understandable reason.There are always people with different priorities 
and I agree a bird zealot may seem over the top for a meteorite hunter. 
 But then again, a miner might not appreciate someone snooping over the 
above grounds rights of a meteorite hunter and if enough meteorite 
hunters are in areas with mining claims with enough rotten apples 
acting suspiciously in a place like Gold Basin for example, the PETA 
bird zealot becomes the miner and the meteorite hunter suffers.Who 
said, common sense is not so common.   It's been that way since I was 
a kid metal detecting.  Even going back to the 1960's Handbook of metal 
detectors (the only outdated book on detectors I found as a 9-year old 
in the library, the advice is cover your holes!  same principle, same 
danger, different day ;-)  Look at the bright side of things.  It won't 
give the bird an opportunity to evolve into building human tube traps 
that at night, lost meteorite hunters who are so cold that they scamper 
in them for the crucial welcomed cover thanking their instincts and 
happily fall asleep a little cold, but not frozen, only to wake up in 
the warming sun to find themselves inside a tomb which allows them to 
see the sky but is to slippery to lift themselves out no matter how 
much they beat themselves against the solitary confinement, all they 
while slowly getting cooked alive in a roman style birdmade oven, until 
their shreiks of nervous terror are extinguished by overheating bodies 
and a sudden onset of a peaceful dehydration.Kindest 
wsiehsDoug-Original Message-From: Mark Bowling 
mina...@yahoo.comTo: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net; cetuspa 
cetu...@shaw.ca; meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:14 
amSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trapHi Count,They made it 
illegal to put up uncapped markers, but because nobody did anythingwith 
the old, markers that define mostly defunct claims (which should have 
beenan obvious outcome), they made all PVC markers illegal. I think 
they should still allow pipe to be used (PVC or otherwise), but that 
itmust be capped.  And they can still allow people to remove (but leave 
in place)any uncapped markers (because they are important boundary 
markers).  I think ablanket outlawing of any use of PVC as a marker is 
an over reaction.  There is astrong anti-mining movement, and it is sad 
to give them 

Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap

[wahlperry]

Hi Mark and List,


I wasn't implying that you were anti-mining


No worries, I never thought that you were implying that. Sorry if my 
post seemed that way.


 You are right about the man made hazards. There have been a number of 
tragic deaths in Nevada from people falling into abandoned open pit 
mines. What a cool story about saving the deer. How on earth did you 
ever get him out?


Best Regards,

Sonny




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Sent: Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:56 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw:  PVC death trap



I agree with you Sonny - I wasn't implying that you were 
anti-mining.  So sorry to anybody who took it that way.  I agree the 
pipes shouldn't be used, even if they are legal.

 
I read the original article before writing my response but I missed the 
part that said some caps have been falling off, but I do see that 
mentioned this new article.  That's a shame.  My caps were pretty tight 
because I've had to remove them to correct bad info that I carved into 
them.  Still, many of mine have probably fallen off by now too.  
Another problem not mentioned is that the PVC beaks down and the pipes 
break, creating new openings...  I've seen a lot of broken ones in the 
field.

 
It's ultimately up to the regulators to define what markers are 
allowed, and if anybody doesn't comply, they will have to waste their 
time and money doing it right because their claim is invalid.  That 
should be motivation enough to do it right going forward.  They also 
say they can face fines through the migratory bird treaty act.  But the 
problem is all the historic, abandoned markers.  How do you fine people 
for something that was a condoned legal practice?  I think the only way 
to get the problem fixed is for people like us to pull them out one by 
one when we happen upon them.

 
But be careful, this a state issue because most states define how to 
mark federal mining claims.  I think the posts are still legal in some 
states, and you could get in trouble for removing them.  It may just be 
allowed in Nevada, so ask your local BLM office about it if you're in 
another state.  I will inquire here in AZ.

 
I'd like to point out that while thousands of claim markers are a huge 
hazard for birds, there are other hazards too.  Litter is a huge 
problem and it's been illegal for a long time.  The vast majority of 
the claims were staked with the blessing of the BLM. Nobody saw the 
hazard before now.  The article mentions lizards.  I've found hundreds 
of dead lizards, snakes and such in beer bottles/cans, and many 
dead deer and even a live one trapped in large dig holes.  It felt good 
getting the live, though weak deer out of the hole.  We fenced off the 
hole (it was an old prospect pit).  I have also found dead animals that 
were trapped in abandoned cars.  A lot of desert 
tortoises unfortunately die each year because of man-made hazards.  
It's amazing what you can find.  Abandoned tires, man, what a mess they 
cause...  Wildcat dumping is still rampant, and I'm not talking just 
about the huge problem of smugglers leaving acres of crap at transfer 
points.

 
So folks really should think before they leave their trash the vast 
empty desert.  They should ask themselves, would I dispose of this 
in my back yard or dump it on my living room floor?.  Pack it in and 
pack it out.  It's not hard concept, but how many times have you taken 
someone out and watched them throw stuff down?...  And if you stake a 
claim, don't use hollow pipes to mark it, even if it's a legal method.  
I will not. o(:?-D

 
Happy hunting,
Mark 




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Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap


Hi Doug, Mark and List,

First thanks for all the great replies. I want to point out that I am 
NOT anti- mining. I have been a lifelong Nevada resident and I believe 
that mining and wildlife can co-exist in our State. My main purpose was 
to increase public awareness of this problem. I was saddened by what I 
found in the PVC marker and would like to see the problem cease. I 
believe many of these tragic deaths( if not all) can be avoided. Over 
the years while exploring the deserts of the
Southwest I have crossed paths with many of the PVC markers. Some of 
the valleys are covered with markers as far as the eye can see. Many of 
the claims are long forgotten and the only reminder are the broken 
markers littering the
Desert floor. In fact our State Bird the mountain bluebird has 
frequently fallen victim to these pipes.


Here is a link to an article.  PVC pipes trapping, killing birds by the 
thousands  A troubling find was that about half of those markers that 
HAD PROTECTIVE CAPS  put in place at some earlier point

Re: [meteorite-list] Puerto Lapice, pictures of Leonard, Marie and the today find...

[wahlperry]

Hi Fabien and Marie,

Way to go! I can't wait to see the rest of the pictures.

Sonny


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Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 10:43 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Puerto Lapice, pictures of Leonard, Marie and 
the today find...



Sonny, and List you mean like this :-) 
http://wwmeteorites.com/Images/PuertoLapiceMarie01.JPGhttp://wwmeteorites.com/Images/PuertoLapiceMarie02.JPGhttp://wwmeteorites.com/Images/PuertoLapiceMarie03.JPGToday 
last day of the trip, Marie found her first, lovely, completetely 
crusted Puerto Lapice... Close to the five years after the fall now, 
hunt is realy hard and specimens rare, but looks-like the first day 
(more or less ;-)Will try to picture this specimen, the best of the 
trip, better when come back home...FabienFabien KuntzMétéorites 
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting trip Report / Off Topic

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

I decided to spend the day exploring a new location for meteorites. 
With the day time high expected to reach 50 degrees what more could you 
ask for?  Brix and I spent the day exploring a bluff that overlooked a 
large valley.
As I was walking along I noticed a white PVC mining claim marker 
(nothing new in Nevada). A couple of months ago I had read an article 
in the local newspaper about the PVC mine claim markers. The article 
was about
claim markers and how the State of Nevada decided to outlaw the PVC 
markers. Under the new law in the State of Nevada you can pull the 
marker up and lay it next to the location where you found it. The 
article stated Basically they're
black holes for birds, literally and figuratively. Once they're inside, 
it's a one-way trip.


The marker I found was supported by several large stones. As I pulled 
the marker from its location I could see something stuffed in the base 
of the marker and in the hole. Resting in the bottom of the hole were 
three bird skulls and as I began to
shake the PVC pipe more skulls and parts fell from the pipe. The pipe 
had entombed 14 birds. You can rest assured from this point on every 
marker that I see will be knocked over. Here are the links for the 
pictures and the newspaper article.



Sonny

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Birds.html

http://www.lvrj.com/news/mining-claim-markers-blamed-for-thousands-of-bird-deaths-133346378.html
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