Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Huh Matthias, it wasn't my intention to start a poll, it was only a reply on Dean's mail, what for a question should be posed in such a poll. Expressing my opinion, that from the hundreds of members only a very few are professional dealers, like him and us, so that they certainly don't have to care about the needs and the abilities of a dealer to sell his material and that therefore special circumstances, as mentioned from Dean are of minor interest to the 1-Ad-rule. It's Art's list, he can and shall do, what he thinks is right. Hopefully there aren't coming now hundreds of vote-mails. They most probably would help for nothing, because there will be always a few nasty ones, which are different from the other children. Whether one necessarily should play with those, that would be a more interesting question, which in the end has everyone to answer by him/herself. >Sursprising enough that it needs such a discussion about such an >obviousness. More surprising, that we have this discussions four times per year... Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Matthias Bärmann Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Oktober 2009 09:59 An: Michael Blood; dean bessey; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Hello Michael, that's the point indeed. And in my opinion Martin's initiative doesn't tend to establish a new rule at all. It's simply a vote for obeying to the fundamental list-rules, determined by Mr. Art "Godot" ;-) himself. Personally I think he did a pretty good job. And objectively these rules simply have to be respected. Sursprising enough that it needs such a discussion about such an obviousness. Best regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" To: "dean bessey" ; "Meteorite List" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > Hi Dean and All, >This is not a democracy, >It is a newsletter set up, managed by and paid for > By Art. Art and only Art has "a say" in the rules - > WHICH ARE QUITE CLEAR: >Michael Cottingham (and more than a few others) > Choose to ignore the rule about one ad per week per person. /listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Dean, If you recall, I did not start this string. Michael Cottingham started it with his spooky letter to himself that he posted to the List admitting he has gone way too far. Your revised history only demonstrates ignorance. It is a simple matter of weeding through the hundreds of ads in the archives to see that a consensus has already been taken and you are in the minority. It appears that most list members still agree with Art's rule judging from the feed back I read tonight. I have better things to do than argue with ignorance. Regards, Adam - Original Message From: dean bessey To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 1:12:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > Dean, > Check the archives. As usual, you are flat out wrong. Art > made the rule, not four or five members. This is his > forum and his rules. Several members weighed in before the > decision was made. > Take Care, > Adam > Art made the rule after declaring that he dont care (Check the archaives) and 4 or 5 people bombarded the list with hundreds of anti ad postings making the list unbearable. But my real question is "What are you trying to acompolish by bombarding the other 1000 of us with multiple postings about the fact that you dont like lots of ads". We have no say in the matter wither we like it or not. Lets say that me the the other 1000 list members agree with you 100% and we want cottingham and big steve kicked off the list? What do you want us to do? Bombard Art with hundreds of complaints in the same way that these 4 or 5 people are bombarding the rest of us about the compalints about ads? You are complaining to the wrong people in your effort to stop all of these ad postings. The other 1000 of us have no say in the matter. This has been going on your years and years. We have had to put up with these hundreds of anti ad postings for years. Dont you think its time to give it a rest? If Art actually cared he would do something about it. These 4 or 5 people evidently care more than art does so dont try creating this holier than thou attitude in the name of art. Ad's arent the problem. These attack postings are the real problem (5 postings per as commenting on how bad the ad postings are dont seem like a sensible use of posting time. This has gone on for years. Its time to only email art in private if you dont like how the list is run. The other 1000 of us dont really want to be a part of this crap. Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Hello Michael, that's the point indeed. And in my opinion Martin's initiative doesn't tend to establish a new rule at all. It's simply a vote for obeying to the fundamental list-rules, determined by Mr. Art "Godot" ;-) himself. Personally I think he did a pretty good job. And objectively these rules simply have to be respected. Sursprising enough that it needs such a discussion about such an obviousness. Best regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" To: "dean bessey" ; "Meteorite List" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Hi Dean and All, This is not a democracy, It is a newsletter set up, managed by and paid for By Art. Art and only Art has "a say" in the rules - WHICH ARE QUITE CLEAR: Michael Cottingham (and more than a few others) Choose to ignore the rule about one ad per week per person. /listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Sounds like a valid historic summary and I don't advertize. -- From: "dean bessey" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:13 PM To: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well.> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record as saying that he did not mind ads. What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week". Then, rather than shut up, these 4 or 5 people decide to declare themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own. Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored). Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody. Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no ownership or control of this list? The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election). I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that. Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your attacks anymore Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Hi Dean and All, This is not a democracy, It is a newsletter set up, managed by and paid for By Art. Art and only Art has "a say" in the rules - WHICH ARE QUITE CLEAR: Michael Cottingham (and more than a few others) Choose to ignore the rule about one ad per week per person. Matteo sets himself apart from all others, having broken So many rules in such a serious manor (obscenities and the like) that Art took him off the list. Matteo, however, simply made up an endless chain of New email addresses to make it impossible for Art to assert Consequences for his blatant rule braking. Art just said, "screw It" in his instance, as it would have required so much work by Art and a change in the way people could join the list freely that It actually threatened the nature of the list, itself to attempt to Deal with Matteo. So, some of you may or may not care a good deal, very little Or not at all about how often one advertizes on the list. However, That does not mean you - or anyone else, has "a say" in the rules Or how they are enforced. To some degree, the list has to be self monitoring or it will be More than Art will want to deal with. For that reason, I do not Respond to or acknowledge anything Matteo posts on the list. Off List, I am fine with Matteo and interact with him like any other Member of the meteorite community. My point is, when one of us blatantly abuses the list by Braking any of the VERY REASONABLE rules, it threatens the List, itself - therefore, I choose to TRY to ignore posts engaged In list braking - so do most list members (except when it concerns Chicago Steve - for some reason, there are two or three dozen members Who feel free to point out his transgressions instantly and with great Force and fierce contempt. Having the skin of a rhino, this appears To phase Chicago Steve very little). In any event - those of you who brake the list rules should be Prepared for a s**t storm, should the villagers arise with pitch forks And torches. Those of you who do NOT address (or dress down) people Braking list rules would perhaps be better served utilizing the ol' "DELETE" key on posts of said threads. Best wishes, Michael On 10/15/09 1:27 PM, "dean bessey" wrote: > Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= > ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = > than your average. > =20 > Gary >> > But that snot what the question for the referendum would be. > The referendum question should read: > SHOULD WE RIGIDLY STICK TO THE ONE A WEEK RULE NO MATTER WHAT THE > CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, EVEN DURING SHOWS, WITH NEW IMPORTANT FALLS AND ANY OTHER > POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHERE MORE THAN ONE AD A WEEK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE > LIST MEMBERS AT LARGE EVEN BY DEALERS WHO ALMOST NEVER OTHERWISE POST ADS > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule - with link to Art's original message
Hello All, I'm not saying it's necessarily a good or bad thing, but - first-off, it seems like we should clear up some misconceptions. I just went through the list archives and turned this up: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2006-November/028708.html There you have a copy of the original message that Art sent back in 2005. He actually does state fairly clearly that ads "should" be limited to one per week. The problem there is the wording - "should" doesn't imply that they will actually be limited to one-per-seven-days, and it doesn't mean that someone will get kicked off of the list of they overdo it. I would go so far as to say, however, that one who does not limit ads to one per week *is* going against list policy. That much seems clear. I will not judge as to whether or not what has been happening is good or bad; personally, I find the ads annoying, but I also recognize the fact that whether or not I find them annoying is entirely irrelevant. Do I believe that there are currently certain list members who are using the list exclusively for their own financial gain? Yes. Is this a bad thing? - Only if they exploit it in such a way that in doing so they hurt the educational aspect of the list. Now, as to whether or not this has been happening is open to debate, but what seems clear is that some people are annoyed, and, I think I would go so far as to say that rules have been broken. Now, I'm not a stickler for rules, so saying that someone is "breaking the rules" isn't *necessarily* a bad thing. However, I would point out the fact that common courtesy would dictate that such rules should be adhered to - insofar as that particular rule was added by Art because of problems - problems exactly like this - in the past. Whether or not you like Cottingham's meteorites or prices has little to do with whether or not he is being considerate in is rampant postings. And I agree with what another list-member said about learning a great deal from the variety of specimens in his store. In fact, I bought something from him yesterday, and am elated about the deal. But one must realize that if he posted ads once-weekly, those pictures and specimens would still be there, and one could still see the specimens at his or her leisure. To get to the point - while I do not believe it my place to criticize someone for posting "too much," he is technically breaking list policy. As are others. Would it be an issue if people weren't complaining? No. But there are rule-abiding (and rule-breaking) list-members who have a problem with what he's doing, and it is against the rules, so it's an issue, and one that must be dealt with. Someone [Bill, others] should talk to Art about the matter if they have a problem with it. All of this anti-Cottingham posting is just giving him more publicity, which is exactly what he wants, if I'm not mistaken. I believe this is a situation in which Art should feel obliged to act; list policy has been stated - and is now being broken, and certain people are angry about it. This seems like a pretty clear-cut situation. And if he doesn't act, there's really nothing to be done. I suppose you could boycott certain sellers, kick them out of the IMCA, that sort of thing, but those are issues for people to deal with personally, or within the IMCA, as they see fit. As a non-member, I can't speak for how they would act, and doubt that he is breaking any of their policies, but feel unqualified to comment. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Howard Steffic wrote: > > One ad per person per week is my vote, > > Also, if this fails I am willing to sign on to Gary's idea of posting an ad > everytime the spammer violates the unwritten rule. Will 900 people do this? > No, but maybe enough will to break the back of this spammer. > > Howard Steffic > > >> From: impact...@aol.com >> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:25:10 -0400 >> To: altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule >> >> In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, >> altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: >> Hi Dean, >> >> Simple minds like me need simple questions: >> >> 1 Ad per Week and person? >> >> - Yes >> - No >> - I don't care >> >> s difficult it isn't, is it? >> >> >> YES! >> ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone. >> >> This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites, >> learning, and helping new people learn. >> >> Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there &
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 One ad per week=2C per person. Yes. =20 The rule is already in place. If people feel they have a good reason to pos= t daily or even hourly ads=2C they need only take their concerns directly t= o Art and wait for him to change the rule.=20 =20 Until he makes that change=2C any ad posts to the contrary are an insult to= him and to the majority that follow the rules. =20 Bill =20 =20 =20 > From: bencub...@hotmail.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 17:09:12 -0600 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule >=20 >=20 > One ad per person per week is my vote=2C >=20 > Also=2C if this fails I am willing to sign on to Gary's idea of posting a= n ad everytime the spammer violates the unwritten rule. Will 900 people do = this? No=2C but maybe enough will to break the back of this spammer. >=20 > Howard Steffic=20 >=20 >=20 >> From: impact...@aol.com >> Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 18:25:10 -0400 >> To: altm...@meteorite-martin.de=3b Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule >>=20 >> In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time=2C=20 >> altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: >> Hi Dean=2C >>=20 >> Simple minds like me need simple questions: >>=20 >> 1 Ad per Week and person? >>=20 >> - Yes >> - No >> - I don't care >>=20 >> s difficult it isn't=2C is it? >> >>=20 >> YES! >> ONE ad a week at most=2C any week=2C anyone. >>=20 >> This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorite= s=2C=20 >> learning=2C and helping new people learn. >>=20 >> Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads=2C t= here=20 >> is a mailing list specifically for that=2C as a reminder here it the add= ress: >> .=20 >> _meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com_=20 >> (mailto:meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com)=20 >>=20 >> Please use it. >>=20 >> Anne M. Black >> http://www.impactika.com/ >> impact...@aol.com >> Vice-President=2C I.M.C.A. Inc. >> http://www.imca.cc/ >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list=20 > _ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > =0A= _=0A= Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/= __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
I strike my comments (good points Adam, Gary and Martin). Rules usually have a good reason. --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Adam Hupe wrote: > From: Adam Hupe > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > To: "Adam" > Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 7:12 AM > Dear List, > > The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken > by Art about advertising in his forum. Advertising is > a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no > ads at all due to abuse. The consensus, at the time, > was that way too many ads were being posted and that > one-ad-per-week should be a > rule. List members input was taken into > account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority > of other members as well. > > I know of several people who will not subscribe due to the > number of ads, some of which instead read the archives on a > daily basis. Even then, scrolling through hundreds of ads > would drown out more useful information in the archives > which are permanent and cannot be deleted. An ads usefulness > disappears immediately, yet it is stuck for eternity in the > archives. The delete key will not help here. A > lot of forums will not allow any advertisements so we should > feel lucky. > > Art would not have made the rule if he felt it was not > important. Out of respect for him and other members, I feel > the rule should be honored or we might all lose our > advertising privileges due to a few members who cannot and > will not control themselves. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Howard Steffic wrote: > From: Howard Steffic > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 4:09 PM > > ... Will 900 people do this? No, but > maybe enough will to break the back of this spammer. > > Howard Steffic Sorry Howard, this will never be the result. The spammer will ignore everyone elses spams and continue to send out their own... Since the beginning of spam 31.5 years ago, the only solution has been to set up your 1) filters, 2) use your delete, 3) let the list administrator handle it. If the list administrator does nothing, there is nothing you can do except to continue to do 1 & 2, or leave the list entirely. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the unfortunate truth... Actually, now that I think of it, there are other things you can do. Contact the ISP of the spammer and complain the account is being used to send spam. They'll shut down the account, especially if they get multiple complaints. Some states also have laws against spammers too. For me, I've been dealing with spam for almost two decades. I just do 1, 2 & finally 3 if the problem becomes too great. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
One ad per person per week is my vote, Also, if this fails I am willing to sign on to Gary's idea of posting an ad everytime the spammer violates the unwritten rule. Will 900 people do this? No, but maybe enough will to break the back of this spammer. Howard Steffic > From: impact...@aol.com > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:25:10 -0400 > To: altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > > In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: > Hi Dean, > > Simple minds like me need simple questions: > > 1 Ad per Week and person? > > - Yes > - No > - I don't care > > s difficult it isn't, is it? > > > YES! > ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone. > > This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites, > learning, and helping new people learn. > > Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there > is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the address: > . > _meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com) > > Please use it. > > Anne M. Black > http://www.impactika.com/ > impact...@aol.com > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. > http://www.imca.cc/ > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
1 Ad per Week and person? -> Y E S Best regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: To: ; Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: Hi Dean, Simple minds like me need simple questions: 1 Ad per Week and person? - Yes - No - I don't care s difficult it isn't, is it? YES! ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone. This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites, learning, and helping new people learn. Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the address: . _meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com) Please use it. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: Hi Dean, Simple minds like me need simple questions: 1 Ad per Week and person? - Yes - No - I don't care s difficult it isn't, is it? YES! ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone. This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites, learning, and helping new people learn. Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the address: . _meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com) Please use it. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
1 Ad per Week and person? O - Yes O - No X - I don't care! And no, this will NOT lead to 1000 ads per day. Good grief. Linton - Original Message - From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Hi Dean, Simple minds like me need simple questions: 1 Ad per Week and person? O - Yes O - No X - I don't care! s difficult it isn't, is it? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von dean bessey Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2009 22:28 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = than your average. =20 Gary But that snot what the question for the referendum would be. The referendum question should read: SHOULD WE RIGIDLY STICK TO THE ONE A WEEK RULE NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, EVEN DURING SHOWS, WITH NEW IMPORTANT FALLS AND ANY OTHER POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHERE MORE THAN ONE AD A WEEK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE LIST MEMBERS AT LARGE EVEN BY DEALERS WHO ALMOST NEVER OTHERWISE POST ADS __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
>>Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = than your average.<< I can't imagine that all 900 members will have a meteorite that they want to sell each and every other day. If there were and most produced sales, it would seem that business would be just booming and everyone would be happy. If sales were persistently low, I'd imagine it wouldn't take too long before the sellers get tired and pack up. Also if all 900 members posted every other day, I'd think some interesting material will come out of the wood work from time to time. Let them post...I know its annoying, but as long as the AD is in the subject line, I'm sure I'll have no trouble in finding the delete button. GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Hi Dean, Simple minds like me need simple questions: 1 Ad per Week and person? - Yes - No - I don't care s difficult it isn't, is it? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von dean bessey Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2009 22:28 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = than your average. =20 Gary > But that snot what the question for the referendum would be. The referendum question should read: SHOULD WE RIGIDLY STICK TO THE ONE A WEEK RULE NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, EVEN DURING SHOWS, WITH NEW IMPORTANT FALLS AND ANY OTHER POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHERE MORE THAN ONE AD A WEEK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE LIST MEMBERS AT LARGE EVEN BY DEALERS WHO ALMOST NEVER OTHERWISE POST ADS __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = than your average. =20 Gary > But that snot what the question for the referendum would be. The referendum question should read: SHOULD WE RIGIDLY STICK TO THE ONE A WEEK RULE NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, EVEN DURING SHOWS, WITH NEW IMPORTANT FALLS AND ANY OTHER POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHERE MORE THAN ONE AD A WEEK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE LIST MEMBERS AT LARGE EVEN BY DEALERS WHO ALMOST NEVER OTHERWISE POST ADS __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
> Dean, > Check the archives. As usual, you are flat out wrong. Art > made the rule, not four or five members. This is his > forum and his rules. Several members weighed in before the > decision was made. > Take Care, > Adam > Art made the rule after declaring that he dont care (Check the archaives) and 4 or 5 people bombarded the list with hundreds of anti ad postings making the list unbearable. But my real question is "What are you trying to acompolish by bombarding the other 1000 of us with multiple postings about the fact that you dont like lots of ads". We have no say in the matter wither we like it or not. Lets say that me the the other 1000 list members agree with you 100% and we want cottingham and big steve kicked off the list? What do you want us to do? Bombard Art with hundreds of complaints in the same way that these 4 or 5 people are bombarding the rest of us about the compalints about ads? You are complaining to the wrong people in your effort to stop all of these ad postings. The other 1000 of us have no say in the matter. This has been going on your years and years. We have had to put up with these hundreds of anti ad postings for years. Dont you think its time to give it a rest? If Art actually cared he would do something about it. These 4 or 5 people evidently care more than art does so dont try creating this holier than thou attitude in the name of art. Ad's arent the problem. These attack postings are the real problem (5 postings per as commenting on how bad the ad postings are dont seem like a sensible use of posting time. This has gone on for years. Its time to only email art in private if you dont like how the list is run. The other 1000 of us dont really want to be a part of this crap. Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Dude you are one of the people who are clueless and YES a vote BY Everyone ON The Issue Once And For ALL would be great. I would even abide by a REAL vote. Michael Cottingham On Oct 15, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Gary Chase wrote: <9a50131a-6347-4726-bc50-ce7d9454e...@gilanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = than your average. =20 Gary From: mikew...@gilanet.com To: deanbes...@yahoo.com Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 12:50:13 -0700 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Hello=2C DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads=2C were the most productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole topic is BULLSHIT. If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics... Michael Cottingham On Oct 15=2C 2009=2C at 12:13 PM=2C dean bessey wrote: about advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege=2C not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus=2C at the time=2C was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well.>=20 This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record as saying that he did not mind ads. What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK=2C one a week". Then=2C rather than shut up=2C these 4 or 5 people decide to declare themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own. Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored). Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody. Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no ownership or control of this list? The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election). I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that. Go away. The consens
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
<9a50131a-6347-4726-bc50-ce7d9454e...@gilanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = than your average. =20 Gary > From: mikew...@gilanet.com > To: deanbes...@yahoo.com > Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 12:50:13 -0700 > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > > Hello=2C > > DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads=2C were the most > productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON > METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole > topic is BULLSHIT. If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST > TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of > the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective > maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics... > > Michael Cottingham > On Oct 15=2C 2009=2C at 12:13 PM=2C dean bessey wrote: > >>>> about advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege=2C not a >> right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. >> The consensus=2C at the time=2C was that way too many ads were being >> posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members >> input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but >> the majority of other members as well.>=20 >>> >>> >> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on >> record as saying that he did not mind ads. >> What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack >> Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from >> making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months >> of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically >> tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that >> they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best >> online meteorite forum and said "OK=2C one a week". >> Then=2C rather than shut up=2C these 4 or 5 people decide to declare >> themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and >> even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and >> munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue >> making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack >> arts list as if it was their own. >> Then after people started leaving the list because of all these >> attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because >> of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their >> hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored). >> Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been >> 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete >> button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike >> the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural >> property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). >> People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around >> that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically >> ruining things for everybody. >> Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other >> 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you >> to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont >> you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even >> if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to >> unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no >> ownership or control of this list? >> The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. >> Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even >> need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. >> Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If >> you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. >> And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as >> what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is >> flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list >> owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as >> they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election). >> I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings ar
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Hello, DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads, were the most productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole topic is BULLSHIT. If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics... Michael Cottingham On Oct 15, 2009, at 12:13 PM, dean bessey wrote: about advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well.> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record as saying that he did not mind ads. What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week". Then, rather than shut up, these 4 or 5 people decide to declare themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own. Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored). Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody. Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no ownership or control of this list? The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election). I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that. Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your attacks anymore Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
<443142.99933...@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 You would not believe how many people emailed me directly in support of cal= ling out Cottingscam on his spamming of the list. =20 Just wait=2C a few have expressed support of my suggestion to posting "me t= oo" ads right after the scammer posts more than his one per week allotment. =20 If it is OK to ignore the one ad per week rule then why not other rules? =20 I like flame wars=2C I know it is against the rules but I guess under your = guidelines it would be OK to start one=2C right Dean? Rules were meant to= be broken=2C Right Dean? =20 This list is quickly decending into anarchy. =20 Gary > Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 12:13:11 -0700 > From: deanbes...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule >=20 > >> >> > This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record= as saying that he did not mind ads. > What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's= list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to m= any" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the l= ist with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcont= ents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a pa= rt of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK=2C one= a week".=20 > Then=2C rather than shut up=2C these 4 or 5 people decide to declare them= selves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the mo= st minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough = to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselv= es and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own. > Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack po= stings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The= fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking effor= ts is conveniently ignored). > Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or= 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or b= lock sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that peopl= e are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some g= overnments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bicke= ring. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 peo= ple that is basically ruining things for everybody. > Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of= us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand = that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather th= an the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you= somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even tho= ugh you have no ownership or control of this list? > The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. > Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need a= rts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. > Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you h= ave a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. > And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what = the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out no= t the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will o= f 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the afterma= t of an Iranian election). > I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to en= tertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves b= y complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for ever= y one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are su= rely happy about that. > Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your= attacks anymore > Sincerely > DEAN >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > =0A= _=0A= Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/= __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Dean, Check the archives. As usual, you are flat out wrong. Art made the rule, not four or five members. This is his forum and his rules. Several members weighed in before the decision was made. Take Care, Adam - Original Message From: dean bessey To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 12:13:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > > This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record as saying that he did not mind ads. What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week". Then, rather than shut up, these 4 or 5 people decide to declare themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own. Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored). Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody. Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no ownership or control of this list? The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election). I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that. Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your attacks anymore Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
> > This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record as saying that he did not mind ads. What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week". Then, rather than shut up, these 4 or 5 people decide to declare themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own. Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored). Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody. Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no ownership or control of this list? The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election). I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that. Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your attacks anymore Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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A well written advertisement only needs to be run once. Once a week would allow for the release of 52 different meteorites in a year! The point is that if everybody ran 20 ads a month X 12months X 900 members you would have over 216,000 extra posts a year. It is disprespectful not to honor Art's and the majority of the List member's wishes. List members voted for the one-ad-per-week rule and as the above formula suggests, a few bad apples post way too many advertisements. They are jeopardizing the other members' ability to advertise just once a week. Art could just say, "NO MORE ADS, PERIOD" like many forums have already done but thankfully he has an extremely long fuse. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: "ensorama...@ntlworld.com" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:20:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule I think that the adverts add to the list and I would be disappointed if they were to disappear altogether...but too many would be a shame. Michael's email has however done exactly what he intended...I think? and drawn even more attention to his sales and many many more emails 'advertising his sales' than he might ever post!!!. Great marketing. Graham E UK Adam Hupe wrote: > Dear List, > > The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about > advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art > was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus, at the > time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week > should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was > not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well. > > I know of several people who will not subscribe due to the number of ads, > some of which instead read the archives on a daily basis. Even then, > scrolling through hundreds of ads would drown out more useful information in > the archives which are permanent and cannot be deleted. An ads usefulness > disappears immediately, yet it is stuck for eternity in the archives. The > delete key will not help here. A lot of forums will not allow any > advertisements so we should feel lucky. > > Art would not have made the rule if he felt it was not important. Out of > respect for him and other members, I feel the rule should be honored or we > might all lose our advertising privileges due to a few members who cannot and > will not control themselves. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I think that the adverts add to the list and I would be disappointed if they were to disappear altogether...but too many would be a shame. Michael's email has however done exactly what he intended...I think? and drawn even more attention to his sales and many many more emails 'advertising his sales' than he might ever post!!!. Great marketing. Graham E UK Adam Hupe wrote: > Dear List, > > The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about > advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art > was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus, at the > time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week > should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was > not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well. > > I know of several people who will not subscribe due to the number of ads, > some of which instead read the archives on a daily basis. Even then, > scrolling through hundreds of ads would drown out more useful information in > the archives which are permanent and cannot be deleted. An ads usefulness > disappears immediately, yet it is stuck for eternity in the archives. The > delete key will not help here. A lot of forums will not allow any > advertisements so we should feel lucky. > > Art would not have made the rule if he felt it was not important. Out of > respect for him and other members, I feel the rule should be honored or we > might all lose our advertising privileges due to a few members who cannot and > will not control themselves. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Dear List, The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well. I know of several people who will not subscribe due to the number of ads, some of which instead read the archives on a daily basis. Even then, scrolling through hundreds of ads would drown out more useful information in the archives which are permanent and cannot be deleted. An ads usefulness disappears immediately, yet it is stuck for eternity in the archives. The delete key will not help here. A lot of forums will not allow any advertisements so we should feel lucky. Art would not have made the rule if he felt it was not important. Out of respect for him and other members, I feel the rule should be honored or we might all lose our advertising privileges due to a few members who cannot and will not control themselves. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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<000d01ca4d98$ad444260$07b22...@name86d88d87e2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Martin and List... =20 You have a good point Martin=2C it is all about respect for other list memb= ers. Every dealer bends the rules a little but 10 ads in 14 days? That is= just in your face spamming and disregard for the rules. Everybody knows h= e has an ebay store by now unless they have been living under a rock=2C so = what is so hard to just check it daily for those interested and make a 50% = offer off of his inflated asking prices? =20 Matin also has a good point on how this list would die if every dealer post= ed 10 ads in 14 days. So I will throw down a challenge to all dealers on t= he list: =20 Post an ad of your own every time Cottingham violates the rules. This will= =20 force the issue. Either the rule will be enforced or it will be officially= eliminated. =20 Also=2C to those of you who sent me private emails in support of my complai= ning about the Nigerian spammer on this list=2C you can participate too. = Since you are not dealers=2C just post an ad reminding everyone of other me= teorites that may be for sale on ebay that are not your own. This is kind = of like supporting your favorite dealer. =20 Gary =20 > From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de > To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 15:08:13 +0200 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule >=20 > Hi Jason=2C list=2C >=20 > I found out=2C that Art=2C the administrator IS Steve Arnold=2C Chicago > and that he has running a bet with Cottingham=2C whether Michael can crea= te > more than hundred repetitions of the name "Cottingham" in the title of > list-mails=2C reacting on his excessive advertising. >=20 > Jason & newbies. Cottingham is not the only dealer on the planet=2C who h= as a > large stock of meteorites for sale. There are several with similar amount= s > of material and interesting meteorites. > How many members has the list? 1000? Many of them collectors=2C who want = to > sell or swap here and there pieces too. >=20 > Note that all professional major dealers use this list for solely > advertising: Novelties=2C rare types=2C pieces with exceptional character= istics=2C > rare historical specimens=2C "hot" deals below market price. >=20 > Could you imagine=2C how it would end=2C if all of them would advertise l= ike a > Cottingham=2C if they would advertise their bulk=2C if all of them would > obtrusively advertise each single piece with ads so long until it is sold > like Chicago-Steve is doing it? >=20 > We would have more than a thousand ads a week. >=20 > I guess many=2C if not most members appreciate the list as a source of > information (to a certain degree ads belong into that category) and > inspiration and enjoy the discussions. >=20 > I really doubt=2C that anyone of them would be in the mood to rummage dai= ly > through hundred ads=2C to find the sparsely scattered posts with some mor= e > witty contents. Neither do have all the time to do that=2C nor is an offe= red > meteorite to the same extend interesting for all meteorite people. > It would be like the annoying occupation to search through the hundreds o= f > Campos=2C fake Nantans=2C mainstream material on ebay=2C to find the two = or three > auctions a week=2C which fit in ones focus=2C budget ect. >=20 > It would be the end of this list. Full stop. >=20 > The newer members maybe don't understand=2C that this vintage-mailing-lis= t > isn't a forum where e.g. ads are sorted in an own board=2C so that they c= an be > ignored by those=2C not interested in. And that this form of conversation= is > based on a different etiquette=2C than fast communication forms like a > chat-room. >=20 > So keeping in mind=2C that here on the list are enrolled quite all of the > largest dealers=2C the most successful hunters of the planet and a good s= hare > of the collectors of the world=2C > Jason=2C then I have to say=2C the discipline to obey to the 1-Ad-per-wee= k-rule > is remarkable and the rule works well. >=20 > Everyone connives at an offerer=2C if he's somewhat excited and breaks th= e > rule=2C as long it remains an isolated case. >=20 > And if you look back=2C with all those many people here having meteorites= for > sale=2C > in fact only two persons suffer from incontinence and nocturia. >=20 >=20 > and here I see the problem=2C that new members see that the recklessn= ess > of two members (out of 1000) isn't sanctioned=2C so that they could feel > invited to act in the same manner. >=20 > I think=2C they won't sell more=2C if they advertise several times per we=
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Hi Jason, list, I found out, that Art, the administrator IS Steve Arnold, Chicago and that he has running a bet with Cottingham, whether Michael can create more than hundred repetitions of the name "Cottingham" in the title of list-mails, reacting on his excessive advertising. Jason & newbies. Cottingham is not the only dealer on the planet, who has a large stock of meteorites for sale. There are several with similar amounts of material and interesting meteorites. How many members has the list? 1000? Many of them collectors, who want to sell or swap here and there pieces too. Note that all professional major dealers use this list for solely advertising: Novelties, rare types, pieces with exceptional characteristics, rare historical specimens, "hot" deals below market price. Could you imagine, how it would end, if all of them would advertise like a Cottingham, if they would advertise their bulk, if all of them would obtrusively advertise each single piece with ads so long until it is sold like Chicago-Steve is doing it? We would have more than a thousand ads a week. I guess many, if not most members appreciate the list as a source of information (to a certain degree ads belong into that category) and inspiration and enjoy the discussions. I really doubt, that anyone of them would be in the mood to rummage daily through hundred ads, to find the sparsely scattered posts with some more witty contents. Neither do have all the time to do that, nor is an offered meteorite to the same extend interesting for all meteorite people. It would be like the annoying occupation to search through the hundreds of Campos, fake Nantans, mainstream material on ebay, to find the two or three auctions a week, which fit in ones focus, budget ect. It would be the end of this list. Full stop. The newer members maybe don't understand, that this vintage-mailing-list isn't a forum where e.g. ads are sorted in an own board, so that they can be ignored by those, not interested in. And that this form of conversation is based on a different etiquette, than fast communication forms like a chat-room. So keeping in mind, that here on the list are enrolled quite all of the largest dealers, the most successful hunters of the planet and a good share of the collectors of the world, Jason, then I have to say, the discipline to obey to the 1-Ad-per-week-rule is remarkable and the rule works well. Everyone connives at an offerer, if he's somewhat excited and breaks the rule, as long it remains an isolated case. And if you look back, with all those many people here having meteorites for sale, in fact only two persons suffer from incontinence and nocturia. and here I see the problem, that new members see that the recklessness of two members (out of 1000) isn't sanctioned, so that they could feel invited to act in the same manner. I think, they won't sell more, if they advertise several times per week. Decisive for a purchase are for a collector the properties and the qualities of the offered specimen, the price - and often enough his opinion on the seller too. I could imagine, that for some collectors it could be even deterrent, to think about purchasing from a person, who present himself in public so impolite, reckless and egomaniac. Well, my thoughts only, open the list for unrestricted spamming and you will loose half of the members. (and then it won't be attractive anymore to advertise here...) You'll see. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason Utas Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2009 05:18 An: Meteorite-list Betreff: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Hola All, The rule was only good so long as dealers upheld it. It was originally put in place to limit Steve Arnold's (Chicago) postings, but it failed. Other dealers seemed happy enough to go along with it on their own out of, for lack of a better word, courtesy to other list members, who generally agreed that it was a good thing to do (at the time). It seems apparent now that most list members have no problem with dealers posting to the list as often as they wish, so it would appear as though the rule is no longer being advocated by either dealers or common list-users/readers. Thus the rule is, I would say, now null and void. For better or worse, so be it. But if you can't enforce it, and people won't follow it, it doesn't make much of a rule. And if a select few choose to go against it, it kind of screws over the other dealers who still abide by it, so I say to hell with it. We'll see what happens to the list...this could be interesting. Oh - and I'll have some ebay auctions up later tonight for those of you who may be interested - hopefully within the next hour, but it may take two to finish it all up. Regards, Jason _
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sinceraly Cottingham its under broken with this tons of AD, for sure if I start to put 3-4 Ad for week after few days I have tons of person broken or say to me to not put contine AD...probably in the list some person have raccomandations and others not Matteo - Original Message - Da : Jason Utas A : Meteorite-list Oggetto : [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Data : Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:18:14 -0700 > Hola All, > The rule was only good so long as dealers upheld it. > It was originally put in place to limit Steve Arnold's > (Chicago) postings, but it failed. Other dealers seemed > happy enough to go along with it on their own out of, for > lack of a better word, courtesy to other list members, who > generally agreed that it was a good thing to do (at the > time). It seems apparent now that most list members have > no problem with dealers posting to the list as often as > they wish, so it would appear as though the rule is no > longer being advocated by either dealers or common > list-users/readers. Thus the rule is, I would say, now > null and void. For better or worse, so be it. > But if you can't enforce it, and people won't follow it, > it doesn't make much of a rule. And if a select few > choose to go against it, it kind of screws over the other > dealers who still abide by it, so I say to hell with it. > We'll see what happens to the list...this could be > interesting. > > Oh - and I'll have some ebay auctions up later tonight for > those of you who may be interested - hopefully within the > next hour, but it may take two to finish it all up. > > Regards, > Jason > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.org Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jason Utas wrote: > From: Jason Utas > Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > To: "Meteorite-list" > Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:18 PM > Hola All, ... > But if you can't enforce it, and people won't follow it, it > doesn't > make much of a rule. Overall, I don't have a problem with ADs. That is until they become excessive. At that point the advertiser may see results that are the opposite of their intentions. That is, they can drive buyers away from, not towards, their business... I snipped out one sentence from Jason's post for a reason. The rule can be enforced, but only by one person. That person is the list owner. If that person (on this list or any other) chooses to enforce or ignore the stated rules of their list, that is their prerogative. Personally I leave administering a list to the owner and find that when others complain and complain, that is more annoying than the ads themselves. That being said, one has to ask, "What constitutes an AD?" Every post I've made to this list from this email address has my photography studio's name and URL in my signature. Maybe that is not an overt ad, but I certainly hope others will take note of it, visit my site and perhaps purchase a print from me. I'm under no allusion that other posts that contain a url in a signature or elsewhere are not advertisements too. Nor do I think that when a post shows it comes from "XYZ Meteorites" instead of a person that it is innocent. Of course it isn't. The intention is to keep the name of that company in front of me and others. IOW, its an AD. In closing, I'd like to ask people visit my website and if you like our images, feel free to place an order... I am very open to trading images for meteorites, so feel free to contact me if you'd like to barter instead. And, if you contact me directly, I can offer a discount on the price if your order comes to me that way instead of via the order form on my site as my overhead is lower... -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Good summary Jason (for newbs or those like me who drop in and out of the list - I know a lot has escaped me the past few years). I think ads are pretty easy to ignore since people are good about including "ad" in the subject line. In fact they're probably the easiest of pet peeves to avoid on the list! If only the others were that easy... So happy selling! Clear skies! Mark Vail, AZ --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jason Utas wrote: > From: Jason Utas > Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > To: "Meteorite-list" > Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:18 PM > Hola All, > The rule was only good so long as dealers upheld it. > It was originally put in place to limit Steve Arnold's > (Chicago) > postings, but it failed. Other dealers seemed happy > enough to go > along with it on their own out of, for lack of a better > word, courtesy > to other list members, who generally agreed that it was a > good thing > to do (at the time). It seems apparent now that most > list members > have no problem with dealers posting to the list as often > as they > wish, so it would appear as though the rule is no longer > being > advocated by either dealers or common list-users/readers. > Thus the rule is, I would say, now null and void. > For better or worse, so be it. > But if you can't enforce it, and people won't follow it, it > doesn't > make much of a rule. And if a select few choose to go > against it, it > kind of screws over the other dealers who still abide by > it, so I say > to hell with it. > We'll see what happens to the list...this could be > interesting. > > Oh - and I'll have some ebay auctions up later tonight for > those of > you who may be interested - hopefully within the next hour, > but it may > take two to finish it all up. > > Regards, > Jason > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Hola All, The rule was only good so long as dealers upheld it. It was originally put in place to limit Steve Arnold's (Chicago) postings, but it failed. Other dealers seemed happy enough to go along with it on their own out of, for lack of a better word, courtesy to other list members, who generally agreed that it was a good thing to do (at the time). It seems apparent now that most list members have no problem with dealers posting to the list as often as they wish, so it would appear as though the rule is no longer being advocated by either dealers or common list-users/readers. Thus the rule is, I would say, now null and void. For better or worse, so be it. But if you can't enforce it, and people won't follow it, it doesn't make much of a rule. And if a select few choose to go against it, it kind of screws over the other dealers who still abide by it, so I say to hell with it. We'll see what happens to the list...this could be interesting. Oh - and I'll have some ebay auctions up later tonight for those of you who may be interested - hopefully within the next hour, but it may take two to finish it all up. Regards, Jason __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
