Re: [meteorite-list] A Meteorite fall site goes under the bulldozer-Hammer Stone! urgent
Oh, most definitely, Phil. ;^) Furthermore, the good people in Chicago aren't at all concerned about making money. And before they built all those homes there, it was... well... what was it, Brian? Farmland? Linton... in SoCal, formerly southern Illinois - Original Message - From: "Phil Morgan" To: "Brian Cox" Cc: "Meteorite-list" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Meteorite fall site goes under the bulldozer-Hammer Stone! urgent Wow, I never knew one had to have certain political or religious leaning to be interested in meteorites. Must ponder this Phil On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Brian Cox wrote: Hello Marc, Dirk and all, I agree with you that it's very sad that there may be no more meteorites found in this area and the developers don't give a damn about it, nor anyone apparently buying a property there. Maybe if someone builds a swimming pool they will discover a long buried piece and realize it's not a common rock. Home prices range from a very small home at an average $300,000.00 USD which is very common for Orange County to $10 Million dollar homes and ranchettes. It's not a community that cares about meteorites, being in southern Orange County, not far from the ocean and just north of San Diego County in Southern California. They are more focused on building homes than allowing anyone to search for meteorites, plus they won't take the insurance risk. Look up real estate prices at www.realtor.com and look under Wikipedia for general information about the city. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Juan_Capistrano,_California San Juan Capistrano is known for its cliff swallows. The protected birds are reputed to return from migration, traditionally originating in the town of Goya, Argentina, on St. Joseph's Day (March 19). The town is in heavily conservative and republican Orange County. They really don't care at all about meteorites, it's sad to say, but just about making money. Remember it's called "Orange" county, because it was once full of orange groves, which have disappeared over the years to build homes. Politics: In the state legislature San Juan Capistrano is located in the 38th Senate District, represented by Republican Mark Wyland, and in the 73rd Assembly District, represented by Republican Diane Harkey. Federally, San Juan Capistrano is located in California's 44th and 48th congressional districts, which have Cook PVIs of R +6 and R +8 respectively[3] and is represented by Republicans Ken Calvert and John Campbell respectively. As of the 2010 elections, the city council members are: Sam Allevato (Mayor), Laura Freese, Larry Kramer (Mayor Pro Tem), John Taylor, and Derek Reeve. This city also has four private, Christian, college prep schools named Capistrano Valley Christian Schools (Pre-K through 12th grade), Saddleback Valley Christian School (Pre-K through 12th grade), St. Margaret's Episcopal School (also Pre-K through 12th grade), and J. Serra Catholic High School (9th through 12th grade). The city also has two private kindergarten through eighth grade schools named Mission Parish School and Rancho Capistrano Christian School. Mission Parish School is located on the historic Mission grounds, utilizes some of the historic buildings as classrooms, and is situated next to Mission Basilica San Juan Capistrano. The other is Rancho Capistrano Christian School, located off Highway 5 on the Crystal Cathedral's south campus. The campus at Rancho Capistrano is also host to meetings and conventions, as well as summer camps. Hope this gives those of you unfamiliar with Orange County some insight into why the city and the county aren't interested in meteorites, like we are. Take care, Brian Message: 11 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: drtanuki Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Meteorite fall site goes under the bulldozer - Hammer Stone! urgent To: Marc Fries , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Michael L Blood Message-ID: <49967.99935...@web161215.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Marc, Thank you for your urgent plea. The list may be unaware that this is California`s ONLY known HAMMER Meteorite and thus more "important" for some San Juan Capistrano Capt. Blood does your ship have a crew??? MetSocBul entry http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=23128 San Juan Capistrano H6 FALL OF THE SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, CALIFORNIA, STONY METEORITE Name: SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO Place of fall: San Juan Capistrano, California, U.S.A. 33?29'05"N, 117?39'45"W. Date of fall: March 15, 1973, between midnight and 0400, Pacific Standard Time. Class and type: Stone. Olivine-bronzite chondrite (H6). Number of individual specimens: 2 Total weight: 56g Circumstances of fall: The largest piece, 50.5 g, penet
Re: [meteorite-list] A Meteorite fall site goes under the bulldozer-Hammer Stone! urgent
Wow, I never knew one had to have certain political or religious leaning to be interested in meteorites. Must ponder this Phil On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Brian Cox wrote: > > > > > > Hello Marc, Dirk and all, > > I agree with you that it's very sad that there may be no more meteorites > found in this area and the developers don't give a damn about it, nor anyone > apparently buying a property there. Maybe if someone builds a swimming pool > they will discover a long buried piece and realize it's not a common rock. > Home prices range from a very small home at an average $300,000.00 USD which > is very common for Orange County to $10 Million dollar homes and ranchettes. > > It's not a community that cares about meteorites, being in southern Orange > County, not far from the ocean and just north of San Diego County in > Southern California. They are more focused on building homes than allowing > anyone to search for meteorites, plus they won't take the insurance risk. > > Look up real estate prices at www.realtor.com and look under Wikipedia for > general information about the city. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Juan_Capistrano,_California > > San Juan Capistrano is known for its cliff swallows. The protected birds are > reputed to return from migration, traditionally originating in the town of > Goya, Argentina, on St. Joseph's Day (March 19). > > The town is in heavily conservative and republican Orange County. They > really don't care at all about meteorites, it's sad to say, but just about > making money. Remember it's called "Orange" county, because it was once full > of orange groves, which have disappeared over the years to build homes. > > Politics: > In the state legislature San Juan Capistrano is located in the 38th Senate > District, represented by Republican Mark Wyland, and in the 73rd Assembly > District, represented by Republican Diane Harkey. Federally, San Juan > Capistrano is located in California's 44th and 48th congressional districts, > which have Cook PVIs of R +6 and R +8 respectively[3] and is represented by > Republicans Ken Calvert and John Campbell respectively. As of the 2010 > elections, the city council members are: Sam Allevato (Mayor), Laura Freese, > Larry Kramer (Mayor Pro Tem), John Taylor, and Derek Reeve. > > This city also has four private, Christian, college prep schools named > Capistrano Valley Christian Schools (Pre-K through 12th grade), Saddleback > Valley Christian School (Pre-K through 12th grade), St. Margaret's Episcopal > School (also Pre-K through 12th grade), and J. Serra Catholic High School > (9th through 12th grade). > The city also has two private kindergarten through eighth grade schools > named Mission Parish School and Rancho Capistrano Christian School. Mission > Parish School is located on the historic Mission grounds, utilizes some of > the historic buildings as classrooms, and is situated next to Mission > Basilica San Juan Capistrano. The other is Rancho Capistrano Christian > School, located off Highway 5 on the Crystal Cathedral's south campus. The > campus at Rancho Capistrano is also host to meetings and conventions, as > well as summer camps. > > Hope this gives those of you unfamiliar with Orange County some insight into > why the city and the county aren't interested in meteorites, like we are. > > Take care, > > Brian > > > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: drtanuki > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Meteorite fall site goes under the > bulldozer - Hammer Stone! urgent > To: Marc Fries , > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Michael L Blood > Message-ID: <49967.99935...@web161215.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Dear Marc, > Thank you for your urgent plea. The list may be unaware that this is > California`s ONLY known HAMMER Meteorite and thus more "important" for > some > San Juan Capistrano > Capt. Blood does your ship have a crew??? > > MetSocBul entry > http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=23128 > > San Juan Capistrano H6 > FALL OF THE SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, CALIFORNIA, STONY METEORITE > Name: SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO > Place of fall: San Juan Capistrano, California, U.S.A. > 33?29'05"N, 117?39'45"W. > Date of fall: March 15, 1973, between midnight and 0400, Pacific Standard > Time. > Class and type: Stone. Olivine-bronzite chondrite (H6). > Number of individual specimens: 2 > Total weight: 56g > Circumstances of fall: The largest piece, 50.5 g, penetrated the aluminum > sheeting roof of a carport in a mobile-home park and was
Re: [meteorite-list] A Meteorite fall site goes under the bulldozer-Hammer Stone! urgent
Hello Marc, Dirk and all, I agree with you that it's very sad that there may be no more meteorites found in this area and the developers don't give a damn about it, nor anyone apparently buying a property there. Maybe if someone builds a swimming pool they will discover a long buried piece and realize it's not a common rock. Home prices range from a very small home at an average $300,000.00 USD which is very common for Orange County to $10 Million dollar homes and ranchettes. It's not a community that cares about meteorites, being in southern Orange County, not far from the ocean and just north of San Diego County in Southern California. They are more focused on building homes than allowing anyone to search for meteorites, plus they won't take the insurance risk. Look up real estate prices at www.realtor.com and look under Wikipedia for general information about the city. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Juan_Capistrano,_California San Juan Capistrano is known for its cliff swallows. The protected birds are reputed to return from migration, traditionally originating in the town of Goya, Argentina, on St. Joseph's Day (March 19). The town is in heavily conservative and republican Orange County. They really don't care at all about meteorites, it's sad to say, but just about making money. Remember it's called "Orange" county, because it was once full of orange groves, which have disappeared over the years to build homes. Politics: In the state legislature San Juan Capistrano is located in the 38th Senate District, represented by Republican Mark Wyland, and in the 73rd Assembly District, represented by Republican Diane Harkey. Federally, San Juan Capistrano is located in California's 44th and 48th congressional districts, which have Cook PVIs of R +6 and R +8 respectively[3] and is represented by Republicans Ken Calvert and John Campbell respectively. As of the 2010 elections, the city council members are: Sam Allevato (Mayor), Laura Freese, Larry Kramer (Mayor Pro Tem), John Taylor, and Derek Reeve. This city also has four private, Christian, college prep schools named Capistrano Valley Christian Schools (Pre-K through 12th grade), Saddleback Valley Christian School (Pre-K through 12th grade), St. Margaret's Episcopal School (also Pre-K through 12th grade), and J. Serra Catholic High School (9th through 12th grade). The city also has two private kindergarten through eighth grade schools named Mission Parish School and Rancho Capistrano Christian School. Mission Parish School is located on the historic Mission grounds, utilizes some of the historic buildings as classrooms, and is situated next to Mission Basilica San Juan Capistrano. The other is Rancho Capistrano Christian School, located off Highway 5 on the Crystal Cathedral's south campus. The campus at Rancho Capistrano is also host to meetings and conventions, as well as summer camps. Hope this gives those of you unfamiliar with Orange County some insight into why the city and the county aren't interested in meteorites, like we are. Take care, Brian Message: 11 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: drtanuki Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Meteorite fall site goes under the bulldozer - Hammer Stone! urgent To: Marc Fries , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Michael L Blood Message-ID: <49967.99935...@web161215.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Marc, Thank you for your urgent plea. The list may be unaware that this is California`s ONLY known HAMMER Meteorite and thus more "important" for some San Juan Capistrano Capt. Blood does your ship have a crew??? MetSocBul entry http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=23128 San Juan Capistrano H6 FALL OF THE SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, CALIFORNIA, STONY METEORITE Name: SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO Place of fall: San Juan Capistrano, California, U.S.A. 33?29'05"N, 117?39'45"W. Date of fall: March 15, 1973, between midnight and 0400, Pacific Standard Time. Class and type: Stone. Olivine-bronzite chondrite (H6). Number of individual specimens: 2 Total weight: 56g Circumstances of fall: The largest piece, 50.5 g, penetrated the aluminum sheeting roof of a carport in a mobile-home park and was picked up on the carport floor several hours later. The second smaller fragment, 5.5 g, was discovered about one month after the fall in the gutter of the carport roof. Source: R. C. Finkel, D. Lal and K. Marti. 1973. Cosmicray record in the San Juan Capistrano meteorite. Meteoritics 8, 365. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Marc Fries wrote: From: Marc Fries Subject: [meteorite-list] CA Meteorite fall site goes under the bulldozer To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 9:31 AM Howdy all ? ? This isn't new news at this point, but the site
Re: [meteorite-list] A Meteorite fall site goes under the bulldozer - Hammer Stone! urgent
Dear Marc, Thank you for your urgent plea. The list may be unaware that this is California`s ONLY known HAMMER Meteorite and thus more "important" for some San Juan Capistrano Capt. Blood does your ship have a crew??? MetSocBul entry http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=23128 San Juan Capistrano H6 FALL OF THE SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, CALIFORNIA, STONY METEORITE Name: SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO Place of fall: San Juan Capistrano, California, U.S.A. 33°29'05"N, 117°39'45"W. Date of fall: March 15, 1973, between midnight and 0400, Pacific Standard Time. Class and type: Stone. Olivine-bronzite chondrite (H6). Number of individual specimens: 2 Total weight: 56g Circumstances of fall: The largest piece, 50.5 g, penetrated the aluminum sheeting roof of a carport in a mobile-home park and was picked up on the carport floor several hours later. The second smaller fragment, 5.5 g, was discovered about one month after the fall in the gutter of the carport roof. Source: R. C. Finkel, D. Lal and K. Marti. 1973. Cosmicray record in the San Juan Capistrano meteorite. Meteoritics 8, 365. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Marc Fries wrote: > From: Marc Fries > Subject: [meteorite-list] CA Meteorite fall site goes under the bulldozer > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 9:31 AM > Howdy all > > This isn't new news at this point, but the > site of the San Juan Capistrano meteorite fall is on its way > to becoming a "172 acre mixed use development". I've > tried repeatedly to contact the developers and ask for > permission to search for meteorites on the ground they > clear, to no avail. I offered my time for free so they could > donate any meteorites I found to local schools and what-not, > but they're not buying. The last time I called the secretary > put me straight to voicemail. In case anyone else would like > to try their hand at this, here's the company doing the > bulldozing: > > http://advancedonline.com/ares/ > > Look under "current projects" for "The > Meadows at San Juan Capistrano". They will be (already > are?) clearing land adjacent to the trailer park where the > only pieces of SJC were recovered. Here's a Google Map > centered on the Meteoritical Society database coords for the > fall: > > http://tinyurl.com/3q5oaxa > > This development has met some resistance in > the local community and was covered extensively by the local > media. I do wonder how it would go over if the media > were made aware that this development will probably bury > meteorites from one of only two California falls. > > Cheers, > Marc Fries > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
