Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

2011-12-13 Thread M come Meteorite
 This shows how the big auctions are only scams legalized to raise prices, 
which are meteorites or paintings or photographs. Tomorrow I propose my Allende 
for $ 40/gr to the same auction house and see if they really want to buy at the 
price they did.

Matteo
 
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 Hello Listers
 
 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been 
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes from. 
 But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a 23gram 
 slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction yesterday in 
 Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its value and it 
 might be smart to get your hands on some before the market trend follows and 
 might have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The price you have to pay 
 for science and space, but for everything else, there is MasterCard :) 
 
 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/
 
 Shawn Alan 
 IMCA 1633 
 eBay story 
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

2011-12-13 Thread Yinan Wang
They're not scams... People who can afford it will pay what they want. 

Who has the right to set prices? We all do, but it's the buyer who decides what 
they're willing to pay.

- yinan


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:52 PM, M come Meteorite i...@mcomemeteorite.it wrote:

 This shows how the big auctions are only scams legalized to raise prices, 
 which are meteorites or paintings or photographs. Tomorrow I propose my 
 Allende for $ 40/gr to the same auction house and see if they really want to 
 buy at the price they did.
 
 Matteo
 
 M come Meteorite Meteoriti
 i...@mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.eu
 Mindat Gallery
 http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html
 ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici
 http://www.chinellatophoto.com
 
 
 
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 Cc: 
 Data: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
 Oggetto: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!
 
 
 Hello Listers
 
 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been 
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes 
 from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a 
 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction 
 yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its 
 value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the market 
 trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The 
 price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything else, there 
 is MasterCard :) 
 
 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/
 
 Shawn Alan 
 IMCA 1633 
 eBay story 
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

2011-12-13 Thread Darryl Pitt

Hi, 

I don't understand your intemperance.  The suggestion that auctions are 
inherently scams is bewildering. There are deals to be found at auctionsand 
objects zealously fought over; an auction house merely makes the market.  

Please also consider it was the traditional auctions in the mid-90s that 
resulted in an avalanche of media that created a burst of interest in 
meteorites---which was among the catalysts to a new generation of hunters.  As 
I said previously, Allende was an anomaly. 





On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:52 PM, M come Meteorite wrote:

 
 This shows how the big auctions are only scams legalized to raise prices, 
 which are meteorites or paintings or photographs. Tomorrow I propose my 
 Allende for $ 40/gr to the same auction house and see if they really want to 
 buy at the price they did.
 
 Matteo
 
 M come Meteorite Meteoriti
 i...@mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.eu
 Mindat Gallery
 http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html
 ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici
 http://www.chinellatophoto.com
 
 
 
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 Cc: 
 Data: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
 Oggetto: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!
 
 
 Hello Listers
 
 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been 
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes 
 from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a 
 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction 
 yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its 
 value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the market 
 trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The 
 price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything else, there 
 is MasterCard :) 
 
 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/
 
 Shawn Alan 
 IMCA 1633 
 eBay story 
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

2011-12-13 Thread Darryl Pitt


Hi, 

Agreed on all countsexcept that Tatahouine (which is indeed a great 
meteorite) has some pretty good company.;-)



On Dec 13, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:

 Hi Darryl and List,
 
 It's not that Allende isn't worth $40 a gram, but the TKW is so large
 that it's hard to justify paying that much for it when the market is
 flush with quality specimens.  We've been trained to think that
 Allende is a bargain and so it is.
 
 Another good example is Tatahouine - probably the world's most
 undervalued meteorite.  It is a witnessed fall diogenite of exquisite
 beauty that has no parallel on the market, yet it regularly sells for
 $10/g or less.
 
 Then we see recent ordinary chondrite falls selling for $50-$80/g
 because of marketing - go figure?
 
 The one thing I have learned in my time of collecting (and dealing)
 meteorites is this - there is no rhyme or reason to the meteorite
 market.  She is a fickle mistress.
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 -- 
 *
 
 Galactic Stone  Ironworks - Meteorites  Amber (Michael Gilmer)
 
 Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
 Facebook -  http://tinyurl.com/42h79my
 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
 
 ***
 
 
 On 12/13/11, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I don't understand your intemperance.  The suggestion that auctions are
 inherently scams is bewildering. There are deals to be found at
 auctionsand objects zealously fought over; an auction house merely makes
 the market.
 
 Please also consider it was the traditional auctions in the mid-90s that
 resulted in an avalanche of media that created a burst of interest in
 meteorites---which was among the catalysts to a new generation of hunters.
 As I said previously, Allende was an anomaly.
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:52 PM, M come Meteorite wrote:
 
 
 This shows how the big auctions are only scams legalized to raise prices,
 which are meteorites or paintings or photographs. Tomorrow I propose my
 Allende for $ 40/gr to the same auction house and see if they really want
 to buy at the price they did.
 
 Matteo
 
 M come Meteorite Meteoriti
 i...@mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.eu
 Mindat Gallery
 http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html
 ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici
 http://www.chinellatophoto.com
 
 
 
 Da: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 A: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc:
 Data: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
 Oggetto: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a
 gram!!!
 
 
 Hello Listers
 
 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes
 from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a
 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction
 yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for
 its value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the
 market trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a
 gram. The price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything
 else, there is MasterCard :)
 
 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 eBay story
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

2011-12-13 Thread Greg Stanley
Anything is worth what someone is willing to pay.

Greg S

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:

 
 
 Hi, 
 
 Agreed on all countsexcept that Tatahouine (which is indeed a great 
 meteorite) has some pretty good company.;-)
 
 
 
 On Dec 13, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:
 
 Hi Darryl and List,
 
 It's not that Allende isn't worth $40 a gram, but the TKW is so large
 that it's hard to justify paying that much for it when the market is
 flush with quality specimens.  We've been trained to think that
 Allende is a bargain and so it is.
 
 Another good example is Tatahouine - probably the world's most
 undervalued meteorite.  It is a witnessed fall diogenite of exquisite
 beauty that has no parallel on the market, yet it regularly sells for
 $10/g or less.
 
 Then we see recent ordinary chondrite falls selling for $50-$80/g
 because of marketing - go figure?
 
 The one thing I have learned in my time of collecting (and dealing)
 meteorites is this - there is no rhyme or reason to the meteorite
 market.  She is a fickle mistress.
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 -- 
 *
 
 Galactic Stone  Ironworks - Meteorites  Amber (Michael Gilmer)
 
 Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
 Facebook -  http://tinyurl.com/42h79my
 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
 
 ***
 
 
 On 12/13/11, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I don't understand your intemperance.  The suggestion that auctions are
 inherently scams is bewildering. There are deals to be found at
 auctionsand objects zealously fought over; an auction house merely makes
 the market.
 
 Please also consider it was the traditional auctions in the mid-90s that
 resulted in an avalanche of media that created a burst of interest in
 meteorites---which was among the catalysts to a new generation of hunters.
 As I said previously, Allende was an anomaly.
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:52 PM, M come Meteorite wrote:
 
 
 This shows how the big auctions are only scams legalized to raise prices,
 which are meteorites or paintings or photographs. Tomorrow I propose my
 Allende for $ 40/gr to the same auction house and see if they really want
 to buy at the price they did.
 
 Matteo
 
 M come Meteorite Meteoriti
 i...@mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.eu
 Mindat Gallery
 http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html
 ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici
 http://www.chinellatophoto.com
 
 
 
 Da: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 A: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc:
 Data: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
 Oggetto: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a
 gram!!!
 
 
 Hello Listers
 
 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes
 from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a
 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction
 yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for
 its value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the
 market trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a
 gram. The price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything
 else, there is MasterCard :)
 
 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 eBay story
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html
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[meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

2011-12-12 Thread Shawn Alan
Hello Listers

Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been around 
$10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes from. But now, 
it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a 23gram 
slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction yesterday in Lo 
Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its value and it might 
be smart to get your hands on some before the market trend follows and might 
have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The price you have to pay for 
science and space, but for everything else, there is MasterCard :) 

http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/

Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
eBay story 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html   
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[meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

2011-12-12 Thread Shawn Alan
Message body
 Hello Listers

Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been around 
$10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes from. But now, 
it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a 23gram slice, 
selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction yesterday in Lo Ang, 
California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its value and it might be 
smart to get your hands on some before the market trend follows and might have 
to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The price you have to pay for science 
and space, but for everything else, there is MasterCard :) 

http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/

Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
eBay story 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

2011-12-12 Thread Darryl Pitt

Hi, 

After having curated the sale of more than 1000 specimens in traditional 
auctions since having introduced the auction of meteorites in the mid 90s, I 
can tell you Mike is 100% correct.  There are trends, and there are 
aberrations---and this is an example of the latter.  That is,..for now.   ;-)   
 And please don't forget my price received on the Allende is a chunk lower than 
might otherwise be imagined as I also have to pay a nice chunk to the house. 

d,



On Dec 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:

 Hi Shawn and List,
 
 The piece in the auction has King collection provenance, but that does
 not explain the high closing price.  I think this result may be an
 anomaly and not indicative of a major shift in market prices.
 
 Every now and then, these big auction houses will produce some unusual
 results.  On occasion, we will see valuable pieces sell for steep
 discounts or fail to meet a reasonable reserve.  In any case, the
 marketplace as a whole rarely follows suit.  If anything, eBay is a
 more reliable yardstick for the market than Bonhams, and even that is
 not definitive.
 
 Consider this - the closing bid is very high, but the buyer also paid
 a premium and shipping expenses.  With these extra costs figured in,
 the price is even more astronomical.
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 
 -- 
 *
 
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 Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
 Facebook -  http://tinyurl.com/42h79my
 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
 
 ***
 
 On 12/12/11, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello Listers
 
 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes
 from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on
 a 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction
 yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its
 value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the market
 trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The
 price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything else, there
 is MasterCard :)
 
 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 eBay story
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

2011-12-12 Thread Graham Ensor
In my experience at the big public auctions the smaller exotic items
nearly always seem to go for lot more than the market
price...especially Lunar meteorites. The only good deals are usually
the larger museum quality pieces if you are lucky enough to find one
without a high reserve and have deep pockets.

Graham, UK

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks
meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Shawn and List,

 The piece in the auction has King collection provenance, but that does
 not explain the high closing price.  I think this result may be an
 anomaly and not indicative of a major shift in market prices.

 Every now and then, these big auction houses will produce some unusual
 results.  On occasion, we will see valuable pieces sell for steep
 discounts or fail to meet a reasonable reserve.  In any case, the
 marketplace as a whole rarely follows suit.  If anything, eBay is a
 more reliable yardstick for the market than Bonhams, and even that is
 not definitive.

 Consider this - the closing bid is very high, but the buyer also paid
 a premium and shipping expenses.  With these extra costs figured in,
 the price is even more astronomical.

 Best regards,

 MikeG

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 Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
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 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone

 ***

 On 12/12/11, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello Listers

 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes
 from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on
 a 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction
 yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its
 value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the market
 trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The
 price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything else, there
 is MasterCard :)

 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/

 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 eBay story
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

2011-12-12 Thread Chris Spratt
Gee I hope so! I could  then sell a couple of pieces of mine so I can   
pay my dog's vet bills!


Chris Spratt
Victoria, BC
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

2011-12-12 Thread Shawn Alan
Hello Listers,

I think Michael Farmer made a good point and it seems his post didnt make it on 
here yet. This is what he said

Allende is one of the most important meteorites on the planet. Extremely 
undervalued due to the sheer amount which fell. Try getting it today. Not easy.

I second that and with over 100's of research articles written on Allende, the 
discovery of CAI's, and that the oldest material found in the solar system was 
found from within Allende. This could be a fluke or could be a trend with 
Allende. Who knows but all I can say is get it while it is still around for a 
good price :) cause times could be changing.

Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
eBay story 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html



From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com; Meteorite Central 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!


Allende is one of the most important meteorites on the planet. Extremely 
undervalued due to the sheer amount which fell. Try getting it today. Not easy.



From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com
To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:42 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

Hello Listers

Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been around 
$10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes from. But now, 
it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a 23gram 
slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction yesterday in Lo 
Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its value and it might 
be smart to get your hands on some before the market trend follows and might 
have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The price you have to pay for 
science and space, but for everything else, there is MasterCard :) 

http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/

Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
eBay story 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

2011-12-12 Thread Doug Ross
Hi Shawn,

I attended the Bonham's auction yesterday, and I was indeed shocked by the 
bidding war over that Allende piece.  On the other hand, I was equally shocked 
by the many other meteorites which went unsold, despite low starting bids in 
some cases.  A 910mg slice of lunar Dhofar 1180 didn't even attract any bids, 
starting at $500!  I should have bought that one

Darryl and Mike are right, these results must be aberrations.  I am often 
mystified by auction house sale results, both high and low.  Considering the 
typical 25% buyer's premium (+10% CA sales tax in this case), I don't see how 
such auctions can offer customers consistent value.  We all like to complain 
about ebay, but by comparison, traditional auction houses just don't look 
competitive to me at all.

Doug Ross

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